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Smokey McPot
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100% of Pro's use some sort of enhancers
You just can't stay on top if you are completely natural. Therefore, they need to use PED's in order to be able to compete, and all of them use some sort of PED's.
the majority of normal looking guys at your gym juice or have juiced. even the guys who walk in there with a protein shake in their hand wearing gloves and do 25 pound curls for an hour with their bird chests
based on that new knowledge do you think that pro's don't juice?
based on that new knowledge do you think that pro's don't juice?
Its illegal in american to use steroids, written into most contracts is the threat of expulsion and termination of the contract if you are found to be doing anything illegal which can bring disrepute to the company. On top of that the IFBB don't take kindly to peeps talking about PED use because its bad for the marketability of the sport as a whole to the wider public.
which ones? I see people like steve cook, logan franklin, and others that appear to be natural... then people like simeon panda and ulisses or whatever that also claim that.... I mean at what point does insane genetics and insane work ethic and diet stop being just that... I have no real knowledge of aas and stuff like that..all i have used is ghrh/ghrp's and like those a lot for what my goals are..i can't advocate the use of aas for myself because i haven't even begun to realize my full potential without them due to being inconsistent with training and nutrition..hoping to change that now
You can do a lot natural, but what you can't do is keep impressive amounts of muscle at sub5% body fat. I have been at this since the age of 14. I never used aas until my late 30's. I finally saw why I didn't look like the pros...lol. Diet and hard work can get you an impressive physique, but it won't get you to the top level. And I don't believe Steve Cook is natural. Just my opinion.
That makes sense... and yea its hard to tell...some teeter on what appears to be a natural look with really hard work over years and years but you just wonder....to stay lean, vascular, and impressively dense the whole time seems extremely hard.
thechemicals
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Every single one of them and crossfit pros too
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All Juice. It is the way of things. That plus freak genetics.
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When you see hardness and spider web vascularity you are seeing juice. Punto Finale. When I am on cycle I have webs of veins in my thighs and calves. I can sniff out a gear head from a mile away. LMFAO.
Ahmad90
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Just because they appear to be natural doesnt mean they are. Steve cook doesnt appear to be natty at all lol. And all those faggots that claim to be natty but are clearly on the juice are sellouts and just saying it to make more money and get more attention. If bostin loyd claimed to be natty im sure there would be that group of people to actually believe him but he was on a shit ton of gear. Personally this whole genetics talk has gotten out of hand to the point anyone with a bit of muscle and heavy steroid use claims to be gifted. There are very few gifted people and most of those gifted pros are where they are at because they work hard. Dorian even said he didnt have the best genetics and thats coming from a 6x Olympia and we have faggots that weigh 200lbs claiming to be gifted. Go look at natty pics of Lee Priest and Coleman, thats good muscle building genetics. Anyone with that freaky, hard look with veins everywhere is most likely on juice, i dont care even if they weigh 165lbs, theres a certain hard look to steroid users that nattys will never have.
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