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you could always just prick the end of your finger and let a lot of blood come out
let us know what happens. we don't want you getting a stroke here
bro you a big guy, gonna have high numbers that normal
Thats a good thing.
I am not coming off any gear. I am on an extremely light cycle.
If I donated plasma then my blood would be thicker with the extra red and white blood cells.
My doctor is trying to tell me I dont need TRT. He is a douchebag. He wont even do anything to help me. I am trying to find a better doctor that will actually work with me and help my needs rather than be anti everything. I told him if I cant get my blood dumped I will have to start researching online how to do it myself.
You can get an online doc to write a scrip for a therapeutic phlebotomy, but honestly I would be shocked if any would do so with the blood numbers you have. They aren’t outside of range on the important ones.
Oh I know my numbers are not bad, I just know that donating blood has way too many health benefits for us PED users. My doc just got back to me and said my lab results I took yesterday all look good except for my white blood count is high. He said I should be able to take my lab results into the blood center and be fine. Oh well I will just keep trying to crash my iron levels by taking meloxicam and tumeric and ant acids.
I completely disagree with the premise that blood donation is generally good for PED users. It’s good for society, which is nice, though.
It lowers bp and thins the blood. I am not going to even argue with you over this one. Thats just facts. Helps lower iron levels as well. When you use steroids your blood viscosity thickens and blood volume increases. That is not good especially for my age over 50.
OK. Despite the fact that there is no research linking secondary erythrhocytosis to any outcome, you are certainly welcome to do as you please. High blood pressure is a problem, but we generally don’t bleed people to treat it. At least since the Middle Ages.
All arguments aside, the more sensible, and up to date way, to deal with these issues seems to be the use of an ARB style blood pressure medicine. Many forward thinking anti aging docs use them, and they are widely used by body builders. They address the root issue of AAS related blood pressure, which is the difficulty of dealing with fluid balances while on steroids, limit left ventricular hypertrophy and have some blood thinning effect as well. Also kidney protective.
Bleeding is really more attacking a number that doesn’t really have any studied correspondence to anything, rather than a symptom or condition.
Bleeding is really more attacking a number that doesn’t really have any studied correspondence to anything, rather than a symptom or condition.
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Us over 50"s have to be more health conscious than when younger. Our recovery is slower and out organs have a lot more hours on them. Like an old car to keep running it needs to be serviced regularly
I tell my wife the same thing.
If you guys do worry about blood thickness issues, be very careful ever using TB500 peptide. It absolutely spiked my RBC, which is not surprising because that is how it creates its healing properties.
Yes just another reason to donate blood every 2 months. Its too bad I cant sell and donate sperm. I would be jacking all day everyday. LOL.
The 80s called and would like their bro science back. Lol.
Who said anything about bro science. Donating blood lowers bp and viscosity. Thats not bro science. Steroids increase blood volume and red blood cells. Thats just plain old facts dude. We are taking much larger amounts than intended for. Anyway you better get back in the gym and work on your swimmers body.
You are correct that AAS increase RBC, which, in turn, increases hematocrit. The problem is that there is no scientific data linking secondary effect high hematocrit (high blood viscosity) to any negative outcomes. There is plenty of data connecting primary effect high hematocrit to negative health outcomes, mainly because primary effect high hematocrit is the primary effect of a certain kind of blood cancer. There are many populations that have high hematocrit levels, from endurance athletes to COPD sufferers to high altitude dwellers. The reason that their levels are high is so that they can better oxygenate their blood, and nobody bleeds them to correct it. In fact, in many cases bleeding them would cause them to die.
Now, you surely can do whatever you like, but bleeding people for these reasons is kind of like Middle Ages medicine. Also, there is no observable blood pressure effect from thicker blood until you hit an extremely high level. So, unless you have a hematocrit around 60, high blood pressure is much more likely to be caused by other factors, like obesity, artery issues, long term blood sugar issues even genetics, than it is RBC.
If you have high blood pressure, treat it as a primary issue. Get on blood pressure medicine or get to a lower body fat level. People shouldn’t be treating serious issues using non specific means of treatment.
Finally, the reason I said ‘80s is that all of this bloodletting came in to vogue when people started using equipoise, which can raise these levels to a bad area, in theory, over time.
Now, you surely can do whatever you like, but bleeding people for these reasons is kind of like Middle Ages medicine. Also, there is no observable blood pressure effect from thicker blood until you hit an extremely high level. So, unless you have a hematocrit around 60, high blood pressure is much more likely to be caused by other factors, like obesity, artery issues, long term blood sugar issues even genetics, than it is RBC.
If you have high blood pressure, treat it as a primary issue. Get on blood pressure medicine or get to a lower body fat level. People shouldn’t be treating serious issues using non specific means of treatment.
Finally, the reason I said ‘80s is that all of this bloodletting came in to vogue when people started using equipoise, which can raise these levels to a bad area, in theory, over time.
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You might notice the words, “hypothesized” and “warrants future investigation.” Future examination has not really borne this hypothesis out, and it is generally no longer believed. Oxidative stress is a huge issue, probably the biggest issue in AAS use, and is one reason that it is more reasonable to use a combination of metformin and valsartan or telimisartan, which do all of these things better.
Now, there is no reason not to give blood. It is great for your community, and it isn’t bad for you, unless you are one of those people who has reactive RBC issues, but it isn’t really a treatment for anything, though, as is said above, some benefits are hypothesized.
11/03/23
Weight 273.4
Legs
Cybex Squat Press Narrow Stance
810x10
810x12x2
Hack Squats Hoist Roc-it
180x8
180x12
270x15
Leg Extension
184x12
184x10x2
Leg Curls Seated
214x12
214x10
214x9
Weighted Hypers
45x10x3
Post Workout 15 grams glutamine, 1 cup cheerios
Meal 1) 1.5 cups Oatmeal, 1 tbsp honey, 1 cup milk, 20 grams Collagen, Fairlife Protein Drink, 1 banana, 5000mg Omega3
Meal 2) 1 Can Split Pea Soup, 3oz steak, 1 cup Pineapple, 3000mg Omega3
Meal 3) 9 Taquitos, Fairlife Protein Drink, 4oz homemade pumpkin bread, 3000mg Omega3
Weight 273.4
Legs
Cybex Squat Press Narrow Stance
810x10
810x12x2
Hack Squats Hoist Roc-it
180x8
180x12
270x15
Leg Extension
184x12
184x10x2
Leg Curls Seated
214x12
214x10
214x9
Weighted Hypers
45x10x3
Post Workout 15 grams glutamine, 1 cup cheerios
Meal 1) 1.5 cups Oatmeal, 1 tbsp honey, 1 cup milk, 20 grams Collagen, Fairlife Protein Drink, 1 banana, 5000mg Omega3
Meal 2) 1 Can Split Pea Soup, 3oz steak, 1 cup Pineapple, 3000mg Omega3
Meal 3) 9 Taquitos, Fairlife Protein Drink, 4oz homemade pumpkin bread, 3000mg Omega3
Was able to donate blood today. My rage is gone. LOL.
Thank goodness!
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Yes I like to have simple carbs after workout when my glycogen stores are depleted. My blood sugars are better now than when I was in my mid 20's.
Ive also changed my HGH to 2.5IU on non lifting days taken first thing in the morning before fasted cardio and on lifting days 1.5IU 45min before lifting and 1.5IU at first meal upon getting home from gym aprox 4 hours apart. Blood sugars are the deciding factor on amount of gh I am taking. As long as they stay stable as they have been will slowly work my way up to 4IU per day on lifting days.
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I think it's up to all of us in our community to donate blood we are very strong people
giving blood is all of our responsibilities
bro i donate blood but i also gotta std check myself from lot lizard encounters
That is a major reason why I do it helping others and on the backend I help myself so it's a win because everyone benefits
Anyone on here have any experience with IGF-1 LR3? Sure is cheap. 1 vial should last 2 weeks.
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My understanding is that it is neither effective, nor particularly user friendly, but I have no first hand experience.
11/04/23
Weight 272.8
Morning Cardio
30min StairMaster
65min Treadmill
21 Hour Fasting
Meal 1) Thai Chicken/Prawn with veggies
Meal 2) 3/4 order Thai Chicken/Prawn with veggies, 40 grams Collagen, 1/2 cup pineapple, 7000mg Omega3
Weight 272.8
Morning Cardio
30min StairMaster
65min Treadmill
21 Hour Fasting
Meal 1) Thai Chicken/Prawn with veggies
Meal 2) 3/4 order Thai Chicken/Prawn with veggies, 40 grams Collagen, 1/2 cup pineapple, 7000mg Omega3
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@RoidRage69 your weight staying steady, you feel you getting stronger man?
Yes getting much stronger and getting bigger everywhere except my stomach.
Brother, we need to see some food porn. With some of these meals you make, throwing some food porn.. would love to see some Thai chicken and veggies.
Food porn is my favorite
That meal was actual out at my favorite Thai restaurant. I can probably start showing food porn. Tonight we are having King Salmon.Brother, we need to see some food porn. With some of these meals you make, throwing some food porn.. would love to see some Thai chicken and veggies.
Food porn is my favorite
I didn’t get much sleep last night. The food was too spicy so I’ve been on the toilet about 4 times already.
What more could ya ask for lol
A completely healed shoulder.
I felt this lol I’ve had issues with my left shoulder for a while now. Hope yours gets there brother.
11/05/23
Weight 275.2
Day of rest
19 Hour Fasting
Meal 1) 2 handfulls roasted garlic and herb almonds, Farilife Protein Drink, 1 cup Catalina Crunch, 1 small bag oberto jerky, 5000mg Omega3
Meal 2) 8oz King Salmon, 3.5 Eggs, 40 grams Collagen, 1 bunch asparagus, 1/2 cup Pineapple, 5000mg Omega3
Weight 275.2
Day of rest
19 Hour Fasting
Meal 1) 2 handfulls roasted garlic and herb almonds, Farilife Protein Drink, 1 cup Catalina Crunch, 1 small bag oberto jerky, 5000mg Omega3
Meal 2) 8oz King Salmon, 3.5 Eggs, 40 grams Collagen, 1 bunch asparagus, 1/2 cup Pineapple, 5000mg Omega3
@RoidRage69 another clean day and you have 19 hours of fasting
@RoidRageWife thank you for sharing this, looks clean and @RoidRage69 mad respect for your meals, nice looking fish and eggs
Gotta be better than the 1st meal
IMO I think we should see more pictures of people pushing huge weights. All I see on my facebook feeds are people posting their dinner. This is a steroid message board, not the Food Channel.
Catalina crunch is a really great cereal. Primarily pea protein fiber and good fats. No sugar. And we eat it with a protein shake. And it tastes good.
It also doesn't effect my blood sugars. My blood sugars are consistently under 100 within 2 hours after eating a meal. Blood sugars is the main factor in how I adjust my eating. If they are under control I will eat carbs on heavy training days. I am still losing fat every week and gaining quality muscle. As I sit here typing I can feel my pecs swollen even though I haven't trained them in 9 days. I haven't even lifted since Friday. I am also sitting just above 270.
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where are you buying your salmon from?
good cardio I'm very impressed with what I'm seeing you're definitely putting some time in your schedule for it
bro any change of update full frontal pics?
That looks fucking good!
Free from my brother.
But what kind of food are people posting on social media?
The meals that are inside of this type of community, or other communities for that matter should be entirely different from what ordinary people are posting
I should get a blender out and blend up some eggs, oats, and a can of tuna.But what kind of food are people posting on social media?
The meals that are inside of this type of community, or other communities for that matter should be entirely different from what ordinary people are posting
He’s a retired Alaskan commercial fisherman. Still has family operating boat up there nice enough to still share some fish!
Why would you do that?
Sarcasm. I would never eat that.
My point exactly for the food porn.
Some guys are eating that, living the mundane, same old same old day in day out.
There's a lot of silent readers out there that needs some pallet stimulation.
Making the best with what you got with a narrow window of macros.
11/05/23
Weight 270.3
Pecs/Delts/Traps
Hammer Incline Press
280x10x2
280x8
Seated Dip Machine
279x15x2
Freemotion Isolateral Bench Press Machine Reverse Grip
100x20
150x13
150x12
Cable Flys
30x15
40x9
Hammer Shoulder Press
180x2 Drop 140x6 90x8
140x6 Drop 90x10 last 4 were partials
Lateral Raise Machine
115x35
115x15 2 sec pause reps
Rear Delt/Reverse Pec Dec
180x20
180x13 2 sec pause reps
DB Shrugs
125x8x2 2 sec pause reps
Hammer Shrugs
360x8 2 sec Pause
360x7 2 sec Pause
Post Workout 15 grams Glutamine, 2 servings dried pineapple, costco samples, 1/2 fat free frozen yogurt
Meal 1) 3 Cups Cheerios, 1/2 cup granola, 20 grams Collagen, Fairlife Protein Drink
Meal 2) 10oz Alaskan King Salmon, 1/2 bag 90 sec rice, 1 cup pineapple, 1/4 cucumber, 1/4 bell pepper
Meal 3) Costco Chicken Bake, 1/2 Bell Pepper, 1/2 Cucumber, 5000mg Omega3
Meal 4) Fairlife Protein Drink, large slice homemade pumpkin bread, 5000mg Omega3
Weight 270.3
Pecs/Delts/Traps
Hammer Incline Press
280x10x2
280x8
Seated Dip Machine
279x15x2
Freemotion Isolateral Bench Press Machine Reverse Grip
100x20
150x13
150x12
Cable Flys
30x15
40x9
Hammer Shoulder Press
180x2 Drop 140x6 90x8
140x6 Drop 90x10 last 4 were partials
Lateral Raise Machine
115x35
115x15 2 sec pause reps
Rear Delt/Reverse Pec Dec
180x20
180x13 2 sec pause reps
DB Shrugs
125x8x2 2 sec pause reps
Hammer Shrugs
360x8 2 sec Pause
360x7 2 sec Pause
Post Workout 15 grams Glutamine, 2 servings dried pineapple, costco samples, 1/2 fat free frozen yogurt
Meal 1) 3 Cups Cheerios, 1/2 cup granola, 20 grams Collagen, Fairlife Protein Drink
Meal 2) 10oz Alaskan King Salmon, 1/2 bag 90 sec rice, 1 cup pineapple, 1/4 cucumber, 1/4 bell pepper
Meal 3) Costco Chicken Bake, 1/2 Bell Pepper, 1/2 Cucumber, 5000mg Omega3
Meal 4) Fairlife Protein Drink, large slice homemade pumpkin bread, 5000mg Omega3
You were like the energizer bunny today at the gym. More reps, new exercise! You got a big pump today too! The chest exercise was a good addition.
Wait til you see me in bed.You were like the energizer bunny today at the gym. More reps, new exercise! You got a big pump today too! The chest exercise was a good addition.
No longer going to be tracking food. Its pretty much the same as its been the last few weeks. High carbs on lifting and 30 grams on non lifting days.
Great job man
doing great bro
11/07/23
Weight 272.4
Back
Seated Cable Rows 1-Arm 1-2 sec pause at top of all reps/sets
40x15
70x15
85x12
100x10
Cable Pulldown Med Grip
160x10
190x10x2
Cable Pulldown close reverse grip
190x10x2
Reverse Grip Machine Rows
175x12x3
Straight Arm Pulldowns
135x13
120x11
Seated Cable Rows 1-Arm
115x8
Ab Machine/Plank Superset
205x12 45sec plank x 2
10min StairMaster
25min Treadmill
Weight 272.4
Back
Seated Cable Rows 1-Arm 1-2 sec pause at top of all reps/sets
40x15
70x15
85x12
100x10
Cable Pulldown Med Grip
160x10
190x10x2
Cable Pulldown close reverse grip
190x10x2
Reverse Grip Machine Rows
175x12x3
Straight Arm Pulldowns
135x13
120x11
Seated Cable Rows 1-Arm
115x8
Ab Machine/Plank Superset
205x12 45sec plank x 2
10min StairMaster
25min Treadmill
Glad you were able to donate blood!
My back is already starting to hurt in a good way. I’m thinking about cutting my testosterone/Masteron mix down to 150mg of each per week. I think my body is ultra sensitive to all steroids. I don’t think I need large amounts to be anabolic. My cortisol levels are already near zero. I am also taking 50mg anavar/day. With that being said would 1 shot per week be fine since they are both enanthate or is 2 shots per week needed in order to reduce potential sides?
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balanced nutrition is important... eat more of beans, seeds and nuts
@RoidRage69 many are sensitive to high doses not just you, cut down to 150mgs of each and see hwo you feel
but the 50mgs anavar is likely causing the back/lower back issues
i would still split into 2 shots mon/thur even enanthate ester to keep the close to steady blood levels as possible
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