Approved Log My Test Deca Bulk Cycle Log

[jumpingjacks]

I am 182cm, currently 87kg (rough estimate 15-17% bf although I want to get a dexa before I begin bulking), 23 years old and training for 5 years. Finished up my first cycle a few months ago, 15 weeks of 500mg test a week and finished the last 6 weeks with 20mg dbol a day. I didn't feel I needed an AI though I had aromasin on hand.

I was tracking quite well on that bulk, sitting at about 3500-3750 cal and went from 82kg to 96kg, easily 5kg of bloat and a little more fat, but strength and muscle definitely shot up. Been focusing on rugby rather than hypertrophy my lifts were quite average due to competing priorities. My lifts increased:
- incline benching 75kg 3x6 to 100kg 3x5
- single arm preacher curl 15kg for 12/8/7 to 20kg for 10
- seated shoulder press 25kg for 3x5 to 60kg standing for 8
- squat was weak because of old hip injury, got up to 120kg for 5, atg

I am currently cruising on 200mg test, 1.5mg reta and 750 mcg HCG a week, sitting at about 2000cal a day (I haven't tracked this in an app). Cardio (i.e. jogging ~5km) two to three times a week. I consistently sleep at least 7 hours, though I try hard to hit at least 8. I do have problems with my sleep related to my nasal anatomy and allergies though, which have not been sufficiently supported by CPAP, so I got private health a few months ago and will get nose surgery after the waiting period is over lol. I have been super busy with full time work and full time uni, so I'm excited to have some free time in a couple weeks after exams and dial in for my bulk, though I am starting it next Monday.

I will be starting with 500mg test and 300 deca a week, and titrating up (as sides permit) to potentially 750mg test 400mg deca. I will run Var for the last 6 weeks at 20-40mg a day. I will also be running 750mg HCG a week and taking reta up to week 4. As I will be cutting for 3-4 weeks at the beginning, I will likely sit at 2000 cal but track this properly. Upon beginning my bulk, I'd be looking at staying closer to 3100-3200, as I did not enjoy the fat gain from my previous cycle.

 

[LevButlerov]

I am 182cm, currently 87kg (rough estimate 15-17% bf although I want to get a dexa before I begin bulking), 23 years old and training for 5 years. Finished up my first cycle a few months ago, 15 weeks of 500mg test a week and finished the last 6 weeks with 20mg dbol a day. I didn't feel I needed an AI though I had aromasin on hand.

I was tracking quite well on that bulk, sitting at about 3500-3750 cal and went from 82kg to 96kg, easily 5kg of bloat and a little more fat, but strength and muscle definitely shot up. Been focusing on rugby rather than hypertrophy my lifts were quite average due to competing priorities. My lifts increased:
- incline benching 75kg 3x6 to 100kg 3x5
- single arm preacher curl 15kg for 12/8/7 to 20kg for 10
- seated shoulder press 25kg for 3x5 to 60kg standing for 8
- squat was weak because of old hip injury, got up to 120kg for 5, atg

I am currently cruising on 200mg test, 1.5mg reta and 750 mcg HCG a week, sitting at about 2000cal a day (I haven't tracked this in an app). Cardio (i.e. jogging ~5km) two to three times a week. I consistently sleep at least 7 hours, though I try hard to hit at least 8. I do have problems with my sleep related to my nasal anatomy and allergies though, which have not been sufficiently supported by CPAP, so I got private health a few months ago and will get nose surgery after the waiting period is over lol. I have been super busy with full time work and full time uni, so I'm excited to have some free time in a couple weeks after exams and dial in for my bulk, though I am starting it next Monday.

I will be starting with 500mg test and 300 deca a week, and titrating up (as sides permit) to potentially 750mg test 400mg deca. I will run Var for the last 6 weeks at 20-40mg a day. I will also be running 750mg HCG a week and taking reta up to week 4. As I will be cutting for 3-4 weeks at the beginning, I will likely sit at 2000 cal but track this properly. Upon beginning my bulk, I'd be looking at staying closer to 3100-3200, as I did not enjoy the fat gain from my previous cycle.

welcome fully to the EVO family now @jumpingjacks
Your last run gave you a solid strength jump, and carrying that size while still handling rugby shows your base is good. Cruise setup looks fine, calories are tight now but that’s smart before you roll into the bulk with test and deca. Keeping Var at the end is a good touch for polish, though I thought tbol is better.

Share some pics with your face blurred, because numbers and macros are helpful but no one can really see how the log is going without seeing the physique changes.

 

[s.gentz]

I am 182cm, currently 87kg (rough estimate 15-17% bf although I want to get a dexa before I begin bulking), 23 years old and training for 5 years. Finished up my first cycle a few months ago, 15 weeks of 500mg test a week and finished the last 6 weeks with 20mg dbol a day. I didn't feel I needed an AI though I had aromasin on hand.

I was tracking quite well on that bulk, sitting at about 3500-3750 cal and went from 82kg to 96kg, easily 5kg of bloat and a little more fat, but strength and muscle definitely shot up. Been focusing on rugby rather than hypertrophy my lifts were quite average due to competing priorities. My lifts increased:
- incline benching 75kg 3x6 to 100kg 3x5
- single arm preacher curl 15kg for 12/8/7 to 20kg for 10
- seated shoulder press 25kg for 3x5 to 60kg standing for 8
- squat was weak because of old hip injury, got up to 120kg for 5, atg

I am currently cruising on 200mg test, 1.5mg reta and 750 mcg HCG a week, sitting at about 2000cal a day (I haven't tracked this in an app). Cardio (i.e. jogging ~5km) two to three times a week. I consistently sleep at least 7 hours, though I try hard to hit at least 8. I do have problems with my sleep related to my nasal anatomy and allergies though, which have not been sufficiently supported by CPAP, so I got private health a few months ago and will get nose surgery after the waiting period is over lol. I have been super busy with full time work and full time uni, so I'm excited to have some free time in a couple weeks after exams and dial in for my bulk, though I am starting it next Monday.

I will be starting with 500mg test and 300 deca a week, and titrating up (as sides permit) to potentially 750mg test 400mg deca. I will run Var for the last 6 weeks at 20-40mg a day. I will also be running 750mg HCG a week and taking reta up to week 4. As I will be cutting for 3-4 weeks at the beginning, I will likely sit at 2000 cal but track this properly. Upon beginning my bulk, I'd be looking at staying closer to 3100-3200, as I did not enjoy the fat gain from my previous cycle.

I would suggest the following here.
1-create a log as @LevButlerov suggested. It's the best way to get help.
2-Don't start a bulk right out of a cut. That is how you rebound and put on fat. Finish your cut, take 4-6 weeks to get back to maintenance and then begin adding cals back in. Your new maintenance will be different than it was prior to dieting.
3-Don't titrate up the gear. Use the same dose from start to finish. The only reason to titrate is if you are going 20+ weeks. Yout initial dose of 500test and 300deca is more than enough. Food and training are 95% of the equation here.

 

[jumpingjacks]

welcome fully to the EVO family now @jumpingjacks
Your last run gave you a solid strength jump, and carrying that size while still handling rugby shows your base is good. Cruise setup looks fine, calories are tight now but that’s smart before you roll into the bulk with test and deca. Keeping Var at the end is a good touch for polish, though I thought tbol is better.

Share some pics with your face blurred, because numbers and macros are helpful but no one can really see how the log is going without seeing the physique changes.

 

[jumpingjacks]

I would suggest the following here.
1-create a log as @LevButlerov suggested. It's the best way to get help.
2-Don't start a bulk right out of a cut. That is how you rebound and put on fat. Finish your cut, take 4-6 weeks to get back to maintenance and then begin adding cals back in. Your new maintenance will be different than it was prior to dieting.
3-Don't titrate up the gear. Use the same dose from start to finish. The only reason to titrate is if you are going 20+ weeks. Yout initial dose of 500test and 300deca is more than enough. Food and training are 95% of the equation here.

Thanks for the suggestions. Will do 1. Regarding 2, my main issue is finishing the cycle before preseason and overseas travel beginning 15.5 weeks from Monday. I expect to lose fat quite quickly upon preseason training due to the significant increase in cardio. So, while the bulk immediately proceeding a cut may be ill-advised due to the rebound, I guess it's might just be something I'll have to deal with due to my tight schedule. Alternatively, I could run the cycle as more of a recomp rather than bulk if I'm already considering running my cut into the first third of it - limiting muscle gain won't be too detrimental to my goals in footy. And 3 sounds reasonable.

 

[LevButlerov]

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You look good in the pics, you have good solid mass on you @jumpingjacks

I am 182cm, currently 87kg (rough estimate 15-17% bf although I want to get a dexa before I begin bulking), 23 years old and training for 5 years. Finished up my first cycle a few months ago, 15 weeks of 500mg test a week and finished the last 6 weeks with 20mg dbol a day. I didn't feel I needed an AI though I had aromasin on hand.

I was tracking quite well on that bulk, sitting at about 3500-3750 cal and went from 82kg to 96kg, easily 5kg of bloat and a little more fat, but strength and muscle definitely shot up. Been focusing on rugby rather than hypertrophy my lifts were quite average due to competing priorities. My lifts increased:
- incline benching 75kg 3x6 to 100kg 3x5
- single arm preacher curl 15kg for 12/8/7 to 20kg for 10
- seated shoulder press 25kg for 3x5 to 60kg standing for 8
- squat was weak because of old hip injury, got up to 120kg for 5, atg

I am currently cruising on 200mg test, 1.5mg reta and 750 mcg HCG a week, sitting at about 2000cal a day (I haven't tracked this in an app). Cardio (i.e. jogging ~5km) two to three times a week. I consistently sleep at least 7 hours, though I try hard to hit at least 8. I do have problems with my sleep related to my nasal anatomy and allergies though, which have not been sufficiently supported by CPAP, so I got private health a few months ago and will get nose surgery after the waiting period is over lol. I have been super busy with full time work and full time uni, so I'm excited to have some free time in a couple weeks after exams and dial in for my bulk, though I am starting it next Monday.

I will be starting with 500mg test and 300 deca a week, and titrating up (as sides permit) to potentially 750mg test 400mg deca. I will run Var for the last 6 weeks at 20-40mg a day. I will also be running 750mg HCG a week and taking reta up to week 4. As I will be cutting for 3-4 weeks at the beginning, I will likely sit at 2000 cal but track this properly. Upon beginning my bulk, I'd be looking at staying closer to 3100-3200, as I did not enjoy the fat gain from my previous cycle.

Good first run, you gained solid weight from 82 to 96kg and the strength jumps show it wasn’t just bloat. Pressing up 25kg on incline bench and moving the shoulder press that far is big progress, and even with the hip issue you still pushed squats to 120kg for reps which is respectable given rugby demands.

Cruising now on 200mg test with retatrutide and HCG is fine, and the cardio plus lower cals explain why you’ve leaned out a bit. Surgery down the line for the breathing will help sleep and recovery, and once exams are done you’ll have the bandwidth to focus harder on lifting and diet.
you did a Full sleep study right?

For the this bulking cycle, starting at 500mg test with 300mg deca is too much. I would start with 300mgs of test with 100mgs deca, and pyramid up week by week until we get to your goal of 750/400, maybe you don't even need that much.
Running Var at the back end will polish the look, and keeping calories around 3100-3200 will help you grow leaner this time without the spill you had last bulk. Though macros we need to discuss more.
whats your total macros and foods?

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

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[Mobster]

Make the bulk a 'lean bulk'. More so if you're 15-17% bfat

 

[stevesmi]

I am 182cm, currently 87kg (rough estimate 15-17% bf although I want to get a dexa before I begin bulking), 23 years old and training for 5 years. Finished up my first cycle a few months ago, 15 weeks of 500mg test a week and finished the last 6 weeks with 20mg dbol a day. I didn't feel I needed an AI though I had aromasin on hand.

I was tracking quite well on that bulk, sitting at about 3500-3750 cal and went from 82kg to 96kg, easily 5kg of bloat and a little more fat, but strength and muscle definitely shot up. Been focusing on rugby rather than hypertrophy my lifts were quite average due to competing priorities. My lifts increased:
- incline benching 75kg 3x6 to 100kg 3x5
- single arm preacher curl 15kg for 12/8/7 to 20kg for 10
- seated shoulder press 25kg for 3x5 to 60kg standing for 8
- squat was weak because of old hip injury, got up to 120kg for 5, atg

I am currently cruising on 200mg test, 1.5mg reta and 750 mcg HCG a week, sitting at about 2000cal a day (I haven't tracked this in an app). Cardio (i.e. jogging ~5km) two to three times a week. I consistently sleep at least 7 hours, though I try hard to hit at least 8. I do have problems with my sleep related to my nasal anatomy and allergies though, which have not been sufficiently supported by CPAP, so I got private health a few months ago and will get nose surgery after the waiting period is over lol. I have been super busy with full time work and full time uni, so I'm excited to have some free time in a couple weeks after exams and dial in for my bulk, though I am starting it next Monday.

I will be starting with 500mg test and 300 deca a week, and titrating up (as sides permit) to potentially 750mg test 400mg deca. I will run Var for the last 6 weeks at 20-40mg a day. I will also be running 750mg HCG a week and taking reta up to week 4. As I will be cutting for 3-4 weeks at the beginning, I will likely sit at 2000 cal but track this properly. Upon beginning my bulk, I'd be looking at staying closer to 3100-3200, as I did not enjoy the fat gain from my previous cycle.

@jumpingjacks are you on TRT already a 23 years old? or are you blasting and cruising? there is a good chance your hpta won't make it past 30 years old be aware of that

 

[ceo]

I am 182cm, currently 87kg (rough estimate 15-17% bf although I want to get a dexa before I begin bulking), 23 years old and training for 5 years. Finished up my first cycle a few months ago, 15 weeks of 500mg test a week and finished the last 6 weeks with 20mg dbol a day. I didn't feel I needed an AI though I had aromasin on hand.

I was tracking quite well on that bulk, sitting at about 3500-3750 cal and went from 82kg to 96kg, easily 5kg of bloat and a little more fat, but strength and muscle definitely shot up. Been focusing on rugby rather than hypertrophy my lifts were quite average due to competing priorities. My lifts increased:
- incline benching 75kg 3x6 to 100kg 3x5
- single arm preacher curl 15kg for 12/8/7 to 20kg for 10
- seated shoulder press 25kg for 3x5 to 60kg standing for 8
- squat was weak because of old hip injury, got up to 120kg for 5, atg

I am currently cruising on 200mg test, 1.5mg reta and 750 mcg HCG a week, sitting at about 2000cal a day (I haven't tracked this in an app). Cardio (i.e. jogging ~5km) two to three times a week. I consistently sleep at least 7 hours, though I try hard to hit at least 8. I do have problems with my sleep related to my nasal anatomy and allergies though, which have not been sufficiently supported by CPAP, so I got private health a few months ago and will get nose surgery after the waiting period is over lol. I have been super busy with full time work and full time uni, so I'm excited to have some free time in a couple weeks after exams and dial in for my bulk, though I am starting it next Monday.

I will be starting with 500mg test and 300 deca a week, and titrating up (as sides permit) to potentially 750mg test 400mg deca. I will run Var for the last 6 weeks at 20-40mg a day. I will also be running 750mg HCG a week and taking reta up to week 4. As I will be cutting for 3-4 weeks at the beginning, I will likely sit at 2000 cal but track this properly. Upon beginning my bulk, I'd be looking at staying closer to 3100-3200, as I did not enjoy the fat gain from my previous cycle.

bros this layout look solid. @jumpingjacks incline benching and single arm preacher curls. always on point

 

[2Thick]

I am 182cm, currently 87kg (rough estimate 15-17% bf although I want to get a dexa before I begin bulking), 23 years old and training for 5 years. Finished up my first cycle a few months ago, 15 weeks of 500mg test a week and finished the last 6 weeks with 20mg dbol a day. I didn't feel I needed an AI though I had aromasin on hand.

I was tracking quite well on that bulk, sitting at about 3500-3750 cal and went from 82kg to 96kg, easily 5kg of bloat and a little more fat, but strength and muscle definitely shot up. Been focusing on rugby rather than hypertrophy my lifts were quite average due to competing priorities. My lifts increased:
- incline benching 75kg 3x6 to 100kg 3x5
- single arm preacher curl 15kg for 12/8/7 to 20kg for 10
- seated shoulder press 25kg for 3x5 to 60kg standing for 8
- squat was weak because of old hip injury, got up to 120kg for 5, atg

I am currently cruising on 200mg test, 1.5mg reta and 750 mcg HCG a week, sitting at about 2000cal a day (I haven't tracked this in an app). Cardio (i.e. jogging ~5km) two to three times a week. I consistently sleep at least 7 hours, though I try hard to hit at least 8. I do have problems with my sleep related to my nasal anatomy and allergies though, which have not been sufficiently supported by CPAP, so I got private health a few months ago and will get nose surgery after the waiting period is over lol. I have been super busy with full time work and full time uni, so I'm excited to have some free time in a couple weeks after exams and dial in for my bulk, though I am starting it next Monday.

I will be starting with 500mg test and 300 deca a week, and titrating up (as sides permit) to potentially 750mg test 400mg deca. I will run Var for the last 6 weeks at 20-40mg a day. I will also be running 750mg HCG a week and taking reta up to week 4. As I will be cutting for 3-4 weeks at the beginning, I will likely sit at 2000 cal but track this properly. Upon beginning my bulk, I'd be looking at staying closer to 3100-3200, as I did not enjoy the fat gain from my previous cycle.

you should post up pictures. don't waste money. Getting a scan when we can tell you your body fat just from a picture. @jumpingjacks

 

[Ulter]

I am 182cm, currently 87kg (rough estimate 15-17% bf although I want to get a dexa before I begin bulking), 23 years old and training for 5 years. Finished up my first cycle a few months ago, 15 weeks of 500mg test a week and finished the last 6 weeks with 20mg dbol a day. I didn't feel I needed an AI though I had aromasin on hand.

I was tracking quite well on that bulk, sitting at about 3500-3750 cal and went from 82kg to 96kg, easily 5kg of bloat and a little more fat, but strength and muscle definitely shot up. Been focusing on rugby rather than hypertrophy my lifts were quite average due to competing priorities. My lifts increased:
- incline benching 75kg 3x6 to 100kg 3x5
- single arm preacher curl 15kg for 12/8/7 to 20kg for 10
- seated shoulder press 25kg for 3x5 to 60kg standing for 8
- squat was weak because of old hip injury, got up to 120kg for 5, atg

I am currently cruising on 200mg test, 1.5mg reta and 750 mcg HCG a week, sitting at about 2000cal a day (I haven't tracked this in an app). Cardio (i.e. jogging ~5km) two to three times a week. I consistently sleep at least 7 hours, though I try hard to hit at least 8. I do have problems with my sleep related to my nasal anatomy and allergies though, which have not been sufficiently supported by CPAP, so I got private health a few months ago and will get nose surgery after the waiting period is over lol. I have been super busy with full time work and full time uni, so I'm excited to have some free time in a couple weeks after exams and dial in for my bulk, though I am starting it next Monday.

I will be starting with 500mg test and 300 deca a week, and titrating up (as sides permit) to potentially 750mg test 400mg deca. I will run Var for the last 6 weeks at 20-40mg a day. I will also be running 750mg HCG a week and taking reta up to week 4. As I will be cutting for 3-4 weeks at the beginning, I will likely sit at 2000 cal but track this properly. Upon beginning my bulk, I'd be looking at staying closer to 3100-3200, as I did not enjoy the fat gain from my previous cycle.

@jumpingjacks i would bulk if you are really over 15% body fat. that makes no sense. you should trim up first especially at your age

 

[ROIDDERS]

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at 23 years old you still look very RAW. which is good. @jumpingjacks It means you have a lot of room to improve. Don't go overboard on the steroid use. I won't lecture you too much about your age. Just no reason to go crazy.

 

[jumpingjacks]

@jumpingjacks are you on TRT already a 23 years old? or are you blasting and cruising? there is a good chance your hpta won't make it past 30 years old be aware of that

I’m currently bulking and cruising, leaning towards PCTing after this cycle for rugby.

at 23 years old you still look very RAW. which is good. @jumpingjacks It means you have a lot of room to improve. Don't go overboard on the steroid use. I won't lecture you too much about your age. Just no reason to go crazy.

Thanks mate. I’m actually running with my friend who is a GP, so he’s been cautious about some of the age-related effects.

Cruising now on 200mg test with retatrutide and HCG is fine, and the cardio plus lower cals explain why you’ve leaned out a bit. Surgery down the line for the breathing will help sleep and recovery, and once exams are done you’ll have the bandwidth to focus harder on lifting and diet.
you did a Full sleep study right?

For the this bulking cycle, starting at 500mg test with 300mg deca is too much. I would start with 300mgs of test with 100mgs deca, and pyramid up week by week until we get to your goal of 750/400, maybe you don't even need that much.
Running Var at the back end will polish the look, and keeping calories around 3100-3200 will help you grow leaner this time without the spill you had last bulk. Though macros we need to discuss more.
whats your total macros and foods?

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

Yep, had a sleep study but most of the apneas were central, so the nose problem affects breathing but the central apneas are apparently poor signalling to my brain.

Sure, the pyramiding sounds reasonable as it will be my first time using deca, and didn’t have much opportunity to adjust e2 as my blood tests showed it was fine at 500 test + dbol.

My macros at about 3100 cal will be 220p, 400c and <80f - about 30%/50%/20%. Might lower this to 2500 cal for a few weeks coming out of cut starting Monday and then up cals. Thoughts on this?

For digestion, only really psyllium husk. I take magnesium, taurine, potassium (forgot the dosages on these and not home at the moment but my GP friend concurred with them) and 200-400mg caffeine each day. Also taking 20mg esomeprazole due to a potential stomach ulcer at the moment, got an appointment regarding that today.

 

[LevButlerov]

ep, had a sleep study but most of the apneas were central, so the nose problem affects breathing but the central apneas are apparently poor signalling to my brain.

Sure, the pyramiding sounds reasonable as it will be my first time using deca, and didn’t have much opportunity to adjust e2 as my blood tests showed it was fine at 500 test + dbol.

My macros at about 3100 cal will be 220p, 400c and <80f - about 30%/50%/20%. Might lower this to 2500 cal for a few weeks coming out of cut starting Monday and then up cals. Thoughts on this?

For digestion, only really psyllium husk. I take magnesium, taurine, potassium (forgot the dosages on these and not home at the moment but my GP friend concurred with them) and 200-400mg caffeine each day. Also taking 20mg esomeprazole due to a potential stomach ulcer at the moment, got an appointment regarding that today.

Central apneas are a different animal, fixing the nose helps airflow but not the brain side so that’s something you’ll want the doc to stay on top of, good you’re checking it out.

For the cycle, pyramiding deca in your first run makes sense, and if your e2 stayed fine on 500 test plus dbol then you’re handling aromatization decent, just keep bloodwork tight once deca is in since it can cloud the picture. Either way dont start with 500, pyramid into it.

Macros look solid, 220p at 3100 is plenty of protein, carbs high enough to push lifts, fats not low but clean. Dropping to 2500 for a reset after a cut is fine, just don’t let protein slide under 200 and you’ll keep muscle while letting appetite rebound before you climb calories again.

Psyllium husk is fine for digestion, your electrolytes are covered with magnesium, taurine, potassium. Caffeine dose is normal. Stay on the esomeprazole until you know more about the ulcer, don’t push orals hard till that’s ruled out.

 

[stevesmi]

I’m currently bulking and cruising, leaning towards PCTing after this cycle for rugby.


Thanks mate. I’m actually running with my friend who is a GP, so he’s been cautious about some of the age-related effects.


Yep, had a sleep study but most of the apneas were central, so the nose problem affects breathing but the central apneas are apparently poor signalling to my brain.

Sure, the pyramiding sounds reasonable as it will be my first time using deca, and didn’t have much opportunity to adjust e2 as my blood tests showed it was fine at 500 test + dbol.

My macros at about 3100 cal will be 220p, 400c and <80f - about 30%/50%/20%. Might lower this to 2500 cal for a few weeks coming out of cut starting Monday and then up cals. Thoughts on this?

For digestion, only really psyllium husk. I take magnesium, taurine, potassium (forgot the dosages on these and not home at the moment but my GP friend concurred with them) and 200-400mg caffeine each day. Also taking 20mg esomeprazole due to a potential stomach ulcer at the moment, got an appointment regarding that today.

Keep in mind the longer you stay on the harder it will be to recover, and in some ways, it may not be possible to recover you run the risk of making permanent damage

 

[BeMe]

I am 182cm, currently 87kg (rough estimate 15-17% bf although I want to get a dexa before I begin bulking), 23 years old and training for 5 years. Finished up my first cycle a few months ago, 15 weeks of 500mg test a week and finished the last 6 weeks with 20mg dbol a day. I didn't feel I needed an AI though I had aromasin on hand.

I was tracking quite well on that bulk, sitting at about 3500-3750 cal and went from 82kg to 96kg, easily 5kg of bloat and a little more fat, but strength and muscle definitely shot up. Been focusing on rugby rather than hypertrophy my lifts were quite average due to competing priorities. My lifts increased:
- incline benching 75kg 3x6 to 100kg 3x5
- single arm preacher curl 15kg for 12/8/7 to 20kg for 10
- seated shoulder press 25kg for 3x5 to 60kg standing for 8
- squat was weak because of old hip injury, got up to 120kg for 5, atg

I am currently cruising on 200mg test, 1.5mg reta and 750 mcg HCG a week, sitting at about 2000cal a day (I haven't tracked this in an app). Cardio (i.e. jogging ~5km) two to three times a week. I consistently sleep at least 7 hours, though I try hard to hit at least 8. I do have problems with my sleep related to my nasal anatomy and allergies though, which have not been sufficiently supported by CPAP, so I got private health a few months ago and will get nose surgery after the waiting period is over lol. I have been super busy with full time work and full time uni, so I'm excited to have some free time in a couple weeks after exams and dial in for my bulk, though I am starting it next Monday.

I will be starting with 500mg test and 300 deca a week, and titrating up (as sides permit) to potentially 750mg test 400mg deca. I will run Var for the last 6 weeks at 20-40mg a day. I will also be running 750mg HCG a week and taking reta up to week 4. As I will be cutting for 3-4 weeks at the beginning, I will likely sit at 2000 cal but track this properly. Upon beginning my bulk, I'd be looking at staying closer to 3100-3200, as I did not enjoy the fat gain from my previous cycle.

Great cycle plan. Seems like you're off to a great start and know your stuff. Hope that stomach issue isn't an ulcer. Stomach issues can be really tough. Good luck with the appointment!

 

[BeMe]

I am 182cm, currently 87kg (rough estimate 15-17% bf although I want to get a dexa before I begin bulking), 23 years old and training for 5 years. Finished up my first cycle a few months ago, 15 weeks of 500mg test a week and finished the last 6 weeks with 20mg dbol a day. I didn't feel I needed an AI though I had aromasin on hand.

I was tracking quite well on that bulk, sitting at about 3500-3750 cal and went from 82kg to 96kg, easily 5kg of bloat and a little more fat, but strength and muscle definitely shot up. Been focusing on rugby rather than hypertrophy my lifts were quite average due to competing priorities. My lifts increased:
- incline benching 75kg 3x6 to 100kg 3x5
- single arm preacher curl 15kg for 12/8/7 to 20kg for 10
- seated shoulder press 25kg for 3x5 to 60kg standing for 8
- squat was weak because of old hip injury, got up to 120kg for 5, atg

I am currently cruising on 200mg test, 1.5mg reta and 750 mcg HCG a week, sitting at about 2000cal a day (I haven't tracked this in an app). Cardio (i.e. jogging ~5km) two to three times a week. I consistently sleep at least 7 hours, though I try hard to hit at least 8. I do have problems with my sleep related to my nasal anatomy and allergies though, which have not been sufficiently supported by CPAP, so I got private health a few months ago and will get nose surgery after the waiting period is over lol. I have been super busy with full time work and full time uni, so I'm excited to have some free time in a couple weeks after exams and dial in for my bulk, though I am starting it next Monday.

I will be starting with 500mg test and 300 deca a week, and titrating up (as sides permit) to potentially 750mg test 400mg deca. I will run Var for the last 6 weeks at 20-40mg a day. I will also be running 750mg HCG a week and taking reta up to week 4. As I will be cutting for 3-4 weeks at the beginning, I will likely sit at 2000 cal but track this properly. Upon beginning my bulk, I'd be looking at staying closer to 3100-3200, as I did not enjoy the fat gain from my previous cycle.

Great cycle plan. Seems like you're off to a great start and know your stuff. Hope that stomach issue isn't an ulcer. Stomach issues can be really tough. Good luck with the appointment!

 

[ROIDDERS]

I’m currently bulking and cruising, leaning towards PCTing after this cycle for rugby.


Thanks mate. I’m actually running with my friend who is a GP, so he’s been cautious about some of the age-related effects.


Yep, had a sleep study but most of the apneas were central, so the nose problem affects breathing but the central apneas are apparently poor signalling to my brain.

Sure, the pyramiding sounds reasonable as it will be my first time using deca, and didn’t have much opportunity to adjust e2 as my blood tests showed it was fine at 500 test + dbol.

My macros at about 3100 cal will be 220p, 400c and <80f - about 30%/50%/20%. Might lower this to 2500 cal for a few weeks coming out of cut starting Monday and then up cals. Thoughts on this?

For digestion, only really psyllium husk. I take magnesium, taurine, potassium (forgot the dosages on these and not home at the moment but my GP friend concurred with them) and 200-400mg caffeine each day. Also taking 20mg esomeprazole due to a potential stomach ulcer at the moment, got an appointment regarding that today.

well the risk is you blow out your hpta

 

[ballin2504]

I am 182cm, currently 87kg (rough estimate 15-17% bf although I want to get a dexa before I begin bulking), 23 years old and training for 5 years. Finished up my first cycle a few months ago, 15 weeks of 500mg test a week and finished the last 6 weeks with 20mg dbol a day. I didn't feel I needed an AI though I had aromasin on hand.

I was tracking quite well on that bulk, sitting at about 3500-3750 cal and went from 82kg to 96kg, easily 5kg of bloat and a little more fat, but strength and muscle definitely shot up. Been focusing on rugby rather than hypertrophy my lifts were quite average due to competing priorities. My lifts increased:
- incline benching 75kg 3x6 to 100kg 3x5
- single arm preacher curl 15kg for 12/8/7 to 20kg for 10
- seated shoulder press 25kg for 3x5 to 60kg standing for 8
- squat was weak because of old hip injury, got up to 120kg for 5, atg

I am currently cruising on 200mg test, 1.5mg reta and 750 mcg HCG a week, sitting at about 2000cal a day (I haven't tracked this in an app). Cardio (i.e. jogging ~5km) two to three times a week. I consistently sleep at least 7 hours, though I try hard to hit at least 8. I do have problems with my sleep related to my nasal anatomy and allergies though, which have not been sufficiently supported by CPAP, so I got private health a few months ago and will get nose surgery after the waiting period is over lol. I have been super busy with full time work and full time uni, so I'm excited to have some free time in a couple weeks after exams and dial in for my bulk, though I am starting it next Monday.

I will be starting with 500mg test and 300 deca a week, and titrating up (as sides permit) to potentially 750mg test 400mg deca. I will run Var for the last 6 weeks at 20-40mg a day. I will also be running 750mg HCG a week and taking reta up to week 4. As I will be cutting for 3-4 weeks at the beginning, I will likely sit at 2000 cal but track this properly. Upon beginning my bulk, I'd be looking at staying closer to 3100-3200, as I did not enjoy the fat gain from my previous cycle.

@jumpingjacks nice start to the log and welcome to evo brother. Can’t wait to follow along

 

[25homes]

I am 182cm, currently 87kg (rough estimate 15-17% bf although I want to get a dexa before I begin bulking), 23 years old and training for 5 years. Finished up my first cycle a few months ago, 15 weeks of 500mg test a week and finished the last 6 weeks with 20mg dbol a day. I didn't feel I needed an AI though I had aromasin on hand.

I was tracking quite well on that bulk, sitting at about 3500-3750 cal and went from 82kg to 96kg, easily 5kg of bloat and a little more fat, but strength and muscle definitely shot up. Been focusing on rugby rather than hypertrophy my lifts were quite average due to competing priorities. My lifts increased:
- incline benching 75kg 3x6 to 100kg 3x5
- single arm preacher curl 15kg for 12/8/7 to 20kg for 10
- seated shoulder press 25kg for 3x5 to 60kg standing for 8
- squat was weak because of old hip injury, got up to 120kg for 5, atg

I am currently cruising on 200mg test, 1.5mg reta and 750 mcg HCG a week, sitting at about 2000cal a day (I haven't tracked this in an app). Cardio (i.e. jogging ~5km) two to three times a week. I consistently sleep at least 7 hours, though I try hard to hit at least 8. I do have problems with my sleep related to my nasal anatomy and allergies though, which have not been sufficiently supported by CPAP, so I got private health a few months ago and will get nose surgery after the waiting period is over lol. I have been super busy with full time work and full time uni, so I'm excited to have some free time in a couple weeks after exams and dial in for my bulk, though I am starting it next Monday.

I will be starting with 500mg test and 300 deca a week, and titrating up (as sides permit) to potentially 750mg test 400mg deca. I will run Var for the last 6 weeks at 20-40mg a day. I will also be running 750mg HCG a week and taking reta up to week 4. As I will be cutting for 3-4 weeks at the beginning, I will likely sit at 2000 cal but track this properly. Upon beginning my bulk, I'd be looking at staying closer to 3100-3200, as I did not enjoy the fat gain from my previous cycle.

Bru deca test great stack. 750mg test alot

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

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@jumpingjacks good start to the log bro.....

 

[Noah Wixx]

I would suggest the following here.
1-create a log as @LevButlerov suggested. It's the best way to get help.
2-Don't start a bulk right out of a cut. That is how you rebound and put on fat. Finish your cut, take 4-6 weeks to get back to maintenance and then begin adding cals back in. Your new maintenance will be different than it was prior to dieting.
3-Don't titrate up the gear. Use the same dose from start to finish. The only reason to titrate is if you are going 20+ weeks. Yout initial dose of 500test and 300deca is more than enough. Food and training are 95% of the equation here.

Excellent advice

 

[jumpingjacks]

Was supposed to start today.. but hit a joey and probably wrote off my car on the way to work on Friday so couldn't get anywhere to do bloods! Getting them tomorrow, finishing up my meal plan and program, and then back to regular programming.

 

[LevButlerov]

Was supposed to start today.. but hit a joey and probably wrote off my car on the way to work on Friday so couldn't get anywhere to do bloods! Getting them tomorrow, finishing up my meal plan and program, and then back to regular programming.View attachment 126430

that looks serious, are you ok?

 

[BeMe]

Was supposed to start today.. but hit a joey and probably wrote off my car on the way to work on Friday so couldn't get anywhere to do bloods! Getting them tomorrow, finishing up my meal plan and program, and then back to regular programming.View attachment 126430

Damn sorry to hear that. Those kangaroos can do some serious damage to a car. We have the same problem with deer here in Canada, moose further north.

Hope you're ok

 

[LevButlerov]

Damn sorry to hear that. Those kangaroos can do some serious damage to a car. We have the same problem with deer here in Canada, moose further north.

Hope you're ok

kangaroo Australian for deer @BeMe

 

[jumpingjacks]

that looks serious, are you ok?

Yeah mate, I'm fine. Wrote off the car and the kangaroo though lol.

Damn sorry to hear that. Those kangaroos can do some serious damage to a car. We have the same problem with deer here in Canada, moose further north.

Hope you're ok

If it was an adult kangaroo I would've been in trouble I think! They're usually not out on the highway during the day...

 

[jumpingjacks]

Got my bloods back today. Surprised with my free test being 3 times the upper reference range at 200mg test a week. Definitely some leeway to reduce this for next cruise. However, E2 at 2 times the upper reference range was surprising. I had suspected maybe it's high due to very very mild acne on my back/shoulders - as I never really experienced acne throughout my life - and was perhaps a little more fatigued and irritable. Will be starting aromasin 12.5mg twice a week. I've only got 25mg caps though, how do you guys go about splitting caps? I'm going to get tabs next time.

 

[BeMe]

Yeah mate, I'm fine. Wrote off the car and the kangaroo though lol.

If it was an adult kangaroo I would've been in trouble I think! They're usually not out on the highway during the day...

That's like deer too. Usually they come out around sunset and at night. Sunset is really bad here. Thankfully it was just a Joey. Sorry about the car. Hope the insurance pays out quick and proper

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah mate, I'm fine. Wrote off the car and the kangaroo though lol.

You're hardcore

 

[LevButlerov]

Got my bloods back today. Surprised with my free test being 3 times the upper reference range at 200mg test a week. Definitely some leeway to reduce this for next cruise. However, E2 at 2 times the upper reference range was surprising. I had suspected maybe it's high due to very very mild acne on my back/shoulders - as I never really experienced acne throughout my life - and was perhaps a little more fatigued and irritable. Will be starting aromasin 12.5mg twice a week. I've only got 25mg caps though, how do you guys go about splitting caps? I'm going to get tabs next time.
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E2 at 365 is definitely high for that dose, so your plan to add aromasin is smart. Most open the 25 mg caps, split the powder roughly in half with a small scale or even by eye into gelatin caps, and dose 12.5 mg Monday and Thursday with your pins to level things out. You can also mix in a cup of water and drink 1/2 1/2. @jumpingjacks

After 2 weeks retest e2 before adjusting again since it can swing low fast on aromasin. With free test that high you could also drop to 150 mg weekly on your next cruise to hold balance without pushing aromatase as hard.

 

[HarleyGuy]

E2 at 365 is definitely high for that dose, so your plan to add aromasin is smart. Most open the 25 mg caps, split the powder roughly in half with a small scale or even by eye into gelatin caps, and dose 12.5 mg Monday and Thursday with your pins to level things out. You can also mix in a cup of water and drink 1/2 1/2. @jumpingjacks

After 2 weeks retest e2 before adjusting again since it can swing low fast on aromasin. With free test that high you could also drop to 150 mg weekly on your next cruise to hold balance without pushing aromatase as hard.

I would definitely get on the 12.5mg tabs and the aromasin ASAP.

What I've done in the past is take your capsule and dump out half and do what @LevButlerov , then with what's left in it carefully put the cap back together and you'll know you have about 12.5mg left in that capsule for tomorrow or however you're dosing it. So every second dose you're dumping half to administer and then making yourself a 12.5mg cap.

 

[LevButlerov]

I would definitely get on the 12.5mg tabs and the aromasin ASAP.

What I've done in the past is take your capsule and dump out half and do what @LevButlerov , then with what's left in it carefully put the cap back together and you'll know you have about 12.5mg left in that capsule for tomorrow or however you're dosing it. So every second dose you're dumping half to administer and then making yourself a 12.5mg cap.

You can dump the cap or mix in 1 cup of water and split, that works too

 

[HarleyGuy]

You can dump the cap or mix in 1 cup of water and split, that works too

God damn we're good! It's like a costco of options coming forth for capsule dispensing!

 

[LevButlerov]

God damn we're good! It's like a costco of options coming forth for capsule dispensing!

lol yup

 

[toddthelineman]

Got my bloods back today. Surprised with my free test being 3 times the upper reference range at 200mg test a week. Definitely some leeway to reduce this for next cruise. However, E2 at 2 times the upper reference range was surprising. I had suspected maybe it's high due to very very mild acne on my back/shoulders - as I never really experienced acne throughout my life - and was perhaps a little more fatigued and irritable. Will be starting aromasin 12.5mg twice a week. I've only got 25mg caps though, how do you guys go about splitting caps? I'm going to get tabs next time.
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I also get high free test and high e2 from lowish doses. But the acne I get is not ok. If you have capsules can’t you just entry them and split the powder?