Approved Log First Testosterone Cycle Log

[trentwin1]

Hey everyone,

Thought I’d start a log here to keep myself accountable and hopefully contribute to the community.

Stats & Background

• Age: 20
• Height: 195 cm
• Weight: 93 kg
• Training: 4 years of serious lifting
• Background: Competed twice at junior nationals as a powerlifter
• Current focus: Put on size and overall physique balance – chest is overdeveloped from years of bench-focused training

Training Split

• Day 1: Push
• Day 2: Pull
• Day 3: Legs
• Day 4: Arms
• Day 5: Posterior chain & mobility work
• Goal is to bring up lagging areas (shoulders, back, arms)
• All Time Bench PR(in comp): 135 kg (probably 125-130 now)
• Target by end of cycle: ~100kg bodyweight, 140 kg bench

Nutrition & Recovery

• Calories/day: 3800 kcal
• Protein/day: ~220g
• Sleep: 7–8 hours/night, consistent
• Supplements: Creatine, Omega-3, Zinc, Magnesium

Cycle Overview

• Weeks 1–12:
  • Test E – 250 mg/week
• Weeks 5–12 ():
  • Anavar – was planning 20 mg/day (unsure if its worth it)
  • Test E - Same dose
• Aromatase Inhibitor:
  • Arimidex – 0.25 mg/week

PCT Plan

• Starts 2 weeks after last Test E pin
• Clomid:
  • Week 1–2: 50 mg/day
  • Week 3–4: 40 mg/day

Bloodwork

• Pre-cycle bloods done this week (Wednesday)
• Mid-cycle labs planned for Week 6
• Post-cycle labs scheduled ~2 weeks after PCT finishes

Open to all feedback and advice.

 

[trentwin1]

Heres some photos before i jump on good to use as my start point

 

[Noah Wixx]

Im actually very impressed with this layout and detail and the fact at your age, you actually are doing things correctly, dont see many people at that age, running bloods having a full layout and utilizing sensible dosing protocol.

I truly wish more guys did it this way, although i still feel you are really young to jump on, its your choice and life, atleast being here we can help guide you and offer assistance.

If its one thing i realized with my own experience guys say you need xyz dose to be effective, the way i run things if im only comfortable running 20mg a day of something then that is what i run, its not a one size fits all kind of thing, start low see how you tolerate a compound and adjust as needed, for me guys say you need 50mg winstrol a day, i run 20-30 and i get great results, as you advance and understand more, you will see you dont need as much as what u read online and you are at a different point then alot of more experienced users.

Welcome into the community

I wish you success on the journey.

 

[s.gentz]

Hey everyone,

Thought I’d start a log here to keep myself accountable and hopefully contribute to the community.

Stats & Background

• Age: 20
• Height: 195 cm
• Weight: 93 kg
• Training: 4 years of serious lifting
• Background: Competed twice at junior nationals as a powerlifter
• Current focus: Put on size and overall physique balance – chest is overdeveloped from years of bench-focused training

Training Split

• Day 1: Push
• Day 2: Pull
• Day 3: Legs
• Day 4: Arms
• Day 5: Posterior chain & mobility work
• Goal is to bring up lagging areas (shoulders, back, arms)
• All Time Bench PR(in comp): 135 kg (probably 125-130 now)
• Target by end of cycle: ~100kg bodyweight, 140 kg bench

Nutrition & Recovery

• Calories/day: 3800 kcal
• Protein/day: ~220g
• Sleep: 7–8 hours/night, consistent
• Supplements: Creatine, Omega-3, Zinc, Magnesium

Cycle Overview

• Weeks 1–12:
  • Test E – 250 mg/week
• Weeks 5–12 ():
  • Anavar – was planning 20 mg/day (unsure if its worth it)
  • Test E - Same dose
• Aromatase Inhibitor:
  • Arimidex – 0.25 mg/week

PCT Plan

• Starts 2 weeks after last Test E pin
• Clomid:
  • Week 1–2: 50 mg/day
  • Week 3–4: 40 mg/day

Bloodwork

• Pre-cycle bloods done this week (Wednesday)
• Mid-cycle labs planned for Week 6
• Post-cycle labs scheduled ~2 weeks after PCT finishes

Open to all feedback and advice.

Nice layout. The only thing I would change is the anavar. Would either run 40-60mg/day split dose or sub in anadrol instead at 40mg/day.

 

[Pigsy]

Welcome to logging on EVO. Will be following

 

[trentwin1]

Nice layout. The only thing I would change is the anavar. Would either run 40-60mg/day split dose or sub in anadrol instead at 40mg/day.

Yeah I did see someone said that anavar may not be worth it as im gaining weight. I honestly might start with the test and save the anavar for a cutting phase. I also saw to add tbol maybe?

 

[trentwin1]

Im actually very impressed with this layout and detail and the fact at your age, you actually are doing things correctly, dont see many people at that age, running bloods having a full layout and utilizing sensible dosing protocol.

I truly wish more guys did it this way, although i still feel you are really young to jump on, its your choice and life, atleast being here we can help guide you and offer assistance.

If its one thing i realized with my own experience guys say you need xyz dose to be effective, the way i run things if im only comfortable running 20mg a day of something then that is what i run, its not a one size fits all kind of thing, start low see how you tolerate a compound and adjust as needed, for me guys say you need 50mg winstrol a day, i run 20-30 and i get great results, as you advance and understand more, you will see you dont need as much as what u read online and you are at a different point then alot of more experienced users.

Welcome into the community

I wish you success on the journey.

Thanks a lot man yeah just trying to do it right. I know im young so im trying to minimise effects still want to be able to have kids some day haha.

 

[trentwin1]

Also forgot to mention gear supplied by @SWOLENZ

 

[Noah Wixx]

Thanks a lot man yeah just trying to do it right. I know im young so im trying to minimise effects still want to be able to have kids some day haha.

Yeah that is one factor many guys dont consider till its very late or extremely hard to come back from because they used for so long, it is possible and it has happened guys on gear having children but not a dage bet, yeah definitely be detailed as possible and post up for your log so we can help brother.

 

[s.gentz]

Yeah I did see someone said that anavar may not be worth it as im gaining weight. I honestly might start with the test and save the anavar for a cutting phase. I also saw to add tbol maybe?

Yes, Tbol is great for a gaining phase. Will give you a nice boost mid cycle to keep pushing. I usually go in the 60-80mg/day range. I would take that over anavar any day when trying to grow.

 

[trentwin1]

Just got @SWOLENZ var tested. Results consistent with oxandrolone. More detailed lab results in a few weeks. After bloodwork tomorrow the cycle starts.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey everyone,

Thought I’d start a log here to keep myself accountable and hopefully contribute to the community.

Stats & Background

• Age: 20
• Height: 195 cm
• Weight: 93 kg
• Training: 4 years of serious lifting
• Background: Competed twice at junior nationals as a powerlifter
• Current focus: Put on size and overall physique balance – chest is overdeveloped from years of bench-focused training

Training Split

• Day 1: Push
• Day 2: Pull
• Day 3: Legs
• Day 4: Arms
• Day 5: Posterior chain & mobility work
• Goal is to bring up lagging areas (shoulders, back, arms)
• All Time Bench PR(in comp): 135 kg (probably 125-130 now)
• Target by end of cycle: ~100kg bodyweight, 140 kg bench

Nutrition & Recovery

• Calories/day: 3800 kcal
• Protein/day: ~220g
• Sleep: 7–8 hours/night, consistent
• Supplements: Creatine, Omega-3, Zinc, Magnesium

Cycle Overview

• Weeks 1–12:
  • Test E – 250 mg/week
• Weeks 5–12 ():
  • Anavar – was planning 20 mg/day (unsure if its worth it)
  • Test E - Same dose
• Aromatase Inhibitor:
  • Arimidex – 0.25 mg/week

PCT Plan

• Starts 2 weeks after last Test E pin
• Clomid:
  • Week 1–2: 50 mg/day
  • Week 3–4: 40 mg/day

Bloodwork

• Pre-cycle bloods done this week (Wednesday)
• Mid-cycle labs planned for Week 6
• Post-cycle labs scheduled ~2 weeks after PCT finishes

Open to all feedback and advice.

Welcome fully now to the EVO family thank you for sharing and starting this. @trentwin1

Thought I’d start a log here to keep myself accountable and hopefully contribute to the community.

Stats & Background

• Age: 20
• Height: 195 cm
• Weight: 93 kg
• Training: 4 years of serious lifting
• Background: Competed twice at junior nationals as a powerlifter
• Current focus: Put on size and overall physique balance – chest is overdeveloped from years of bench-focused training

Good goals, you are young but seem very dedicated.

Training Split

• Day 1: Push
• Day 2: Pull
• Day 3: Legs
• Day 4: Arms
• Day 5: Posterior chain & mobility work
• Goal is to bring up lagging areas (shoulders, back, arms)
• All Time Bench PR(in comp): 135 kg (probably 125-130 now)
• Target by end of cycle: ~100kg bodyweight, 140 kg bench

Training, Cardio
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Nutrition & Recovery

• Calories/day: 3800 kcal
• Protein/day: ~220g
• Sleep: 7–8 hours/night, consistent
• Supplements: Creatine, Omega-3, Zinc, Magnesium

Diet
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?
how about organ liver cycle support?

Cycle Overview

• Weeks 1–12:
  • Test E – 250 mg/week
• Weeks 5–12 ():
  • Anavar – was planning 20 mg/day (unsure if its worth it)
  • Test E - Same dose
• Aromatase Inhibitor:
  • Arimidex – 0.25 mg/week

PCT Plan

• Starts 2 weeks after last Test E pin
• Clomid:
  • Week 1–2: 50 mg/day
  • Week 3–4: 40 mg/day

Cycle
Stick to testosterone only for now, but really before we go to your first show I want to see your blood work, DONT start cycle before it.

Bloodwork

• Pre-cycle bloods done this week (Wednesday)
• Mid-cycle labs planned for Week 6
• Post-cycle labs scheduled ~2 weeks after PCT finishes

Post your blood work from Wed before we start any cycles.

Heres some photos before i jump on good to use as my start point

You look good actually lean and strong! good physique. I think you can even get to your goals natty.

Are you listening to our podcast? You need to sub!
Podcast
are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

Reading the ebooks?
eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

thank you and share more

 

[trentwin1]

Welcome fully now to the EVO family thank you for sharing and starting this. @trentwin1

Good goals, you are young but seem very dedicated.

Training, Cardio
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Diet
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?
how about organ liver cycle support?


Cycle
Stick to testosterone only for now, but really before we go to your first show I want to see your blood work, DONT start cycle before it.

Post your blood work from Wed before we start any cycles.

You look good actually lean and strong! good physique. I think you can even get to your goals natty.

Are you listening to our podcast? You need to sub!
Podcast
are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

Reading the ebooks?
eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

thank you and share more

Sweet will start adding all that. Dont take any digestive enzymes or many supps. Some guidance on that would be great. Ill add food and excersises. Definitely need to get onto cardio haha.

Goals I added are very short term I want to get to around 110-120 as a longterm goal and would be ideal to just sit around that weight. Taking it very easy as I get into it and want to learn how my body handles anything before increasing dosages.

 

[stevesmi]

Hey everyone,

Thought I’d start a log here to keep myself accountable and hopefully contribute to the community.

Stats & Background

• Age: 20
• Height: 195 cm
• Weight: 93 kg
• Training: 4 years of serious lifting
• Background: Competed twice at junior nationals as a powerlifter
• Current focus: Put on size and overall physique balance – chest is overdeveloped from years of bench-focused training

Training Split

• Day 1: Push
• Day 2: Pull
• Day 3: Legs
• Day 4: Arms
• Day 5: Posterior chain & mobility work
• Goal is to bring up lagging areas (shoulders, back, arms)
• All Time Bench PR(in comp): 135 kg (probably 125-130 now)
• Target by end of cycle: ~100kg bodyweight, 140 kg bench

Nutrition & Recovery

• Calories/day: 3800 kcal
• Protein/day: ~220g
• Sleep: 7–8 hours/night, consistent
• Supplements: Creatine, Omega-3, Zinc, Magnesium

Cycle Overview

• Weeks 1–12:
  • Test E – 250 mg/week
• Weeks 5–12 ():
  • Anavar – was planning 20 mg/day (unsure if its worth it)
  • Test E - Same dose
• Aromatase Inhibitor:
  • Arimidex – 0.25 mg/week

PCT Plan

• Starts 2 weeks after last Test E pin
• Clomid:
  • Week 1–2: 50 mg/day
  • Week 3–4: 40 mg/day

Bloodwork

• Pre-cycle bloods done this week (Wednesday)
• Mid-cycle labs planned for Week 6
• Post-cycle labs scheduled ~2 weeks after PCT finishes

Open to all feedback and advice.

@trentwin1 nice job on the nutrition and recovery on this one. the sleep is looking good! very impressed with the job you are doing

 

[BodyMonster34]

Hey everyone,

Thought I’d start a log here to keep myself accountable and hopefully contribute to the community.

Stats & Background

• Age: 20
• Height: 195 cm
• Weight: 93 kg
• Training: 4 years of serious lifting
• Background: Competed twice at junior nationals as a powerlifter
• Current focus: Put on size and overall physique balance – chest is overdeveloped from years of bench-focused training

Training Split

• Day 1: Push
• Day 2: Pull
• Day 3: Legs
• Day 4: Arms
• Day 5: Posterior chain & mobility work
• Goal is to bring up lagging areas (shoulders, back, arms)
• All Time Bench PR(in comp): 135 kg (probably 125-130 now)
• Target by end of cycle: ~100kg bodyweight, 140 kg bench

Nutrition & Recovery

• Calories/day: 3800 kcal
• Protein/day: ~220g
• Sleep: 7–8 hours/night, consistent
• Supplements: Creatine, Omega-3, Zinc, Magnesium

Cycle Overview

• Weeks 1–12:
  • Test E – 250 mg/week
• Weeks 5–12 ():
  • Anavar – was planning 20 mg/day (unsure if its worth it)
  • Test E - Same dose
• Aromatase Inhibitor:
  • Arimidex – 0.25 mg/week

PCT Plan

• Starts 2 weeks after last Test E pin
• Clomid:
  • Week 1–2: 50 mg/day
  • Week 3–4: 40 mg/day

Bloodwork

• Pre-cycle bloods done this week (Wednesday)
• Mid-cycle labs planned for Week 6
• Post-cycle labs scheduled ~2 weeks after PCT finishes

Open to all feedback and advice.

bro @trentwin1 you only 20 years old. you a young dude. starting early good though you only live once

 

[LevButlerov]

Sweet will start adding all that. Dont take any digestive enzymes or many supps. Some guidance on that would be great. Ill add food and excersises. Definitely need to get onto cardio haha.

Lets add it, and I'm waiting for your bloods, don't pin before it. @trentwin1

Goals I added are very short term I want to get to around 110-120 as a longterm goal and would be ideal to just sit around that weight. Taking it very easy as I get into it and want to learn how my body handles anything before increasing dosages.

It's possible to get to 110 but lets start slow.

 

[trentwin1]

Lets add it, and I'm waiting for your bloods, don't pin before it. @trentwin1

It's possible to get to 110 but lets start slow.

yeah sweet as man hopefully my bloods come in tomorrow and ill chuck em straight up on here

 

[Mobster]

I'd prefer you, at age 20, to NOT be using PEDs

 

[ROIDDERS]

Heres some photos before i jump on good to use as my start point

@trentwin1 good job man! this is a great photo upload. you look like a champion. welcome to the EVO family of loggers

 

[LevButlerov]

yeah sweet as man hopefully my bloods come in tomorrow and ill chuck em straight up on here

please post screen shots of them and blur personal info @trentwin1

 

[2Thick]

Hey everyone,

Thought I’d start a log here to keep myself accountable and hopefully contribute to the community.

Stats & Background

• Age: 20
• Height: 195 cm
• Weight: 93 kg
• Training: 4 years of serious lifting
• Background: Competed twice at junior nationals as a powerlifter
• Current focus: Put on size and overall physique balance – chest is overdeveloped from years of bench-focused training

Training Split

• Day 1: Push
• Day 2: Pull
• Day 3: Legs
• Day 4: Arms
• Day 5: Posterior chain & mobility work
• Goal is to bring up lagging areas (shoulders, back, arms)
• All Time Bench PR(in comp): 135 kg (probably 125-130 now)
• Target by end of cycle: ~100kg bodyweight, 140 kg bench

Nutrition & Recovery

• Calories/day: 3800 kcal
• Protein/day: ~220g
• Sleep: 7–8 hours/night, consistent
• Supplements: Creatine, Omega-3, Zinc, Magnesium

Cycle Overview

• Weeks 1–12:
  • Test E – 250 mg/week
• Weeks 5–12 ():
  • Anavar – was planning 20 mg/day (unsure if its worth it)
  • Test E - Same dose
• Aromatase Inhibitor:
  • Arimidex – 0.25 mg/week

PCT Plan

• Starts 2 weeks after last Test E pin
• Clomid:
  • Week 1–2: 50 mg/day
  • Week 3–4: 40 mg/day

Bloodwork

• Pre-cycle bloods done this week (Wednesday)
• Mid-cycle labs planned for Week 6
• Post-cycle labs scheduled ~2 weeks after PCT finishes

Open to all feedback and advice.

20 years old and on steroids. are you aware of the risks? i would keep you cycle as short as possible. 8 weeks max @trentwin1

 

[Ulter]

Hey everyone,

Thought I’d start a log here to keep myself accountable and hopefully contribute to the community.

Stats & Background

• Age: 20
• Height: 195 cm
• Weight: 93 kg
• Training: 4 years of serious lifting
• Background: Competed twice at junior nationals as a powerlifter
• Current focus: Put on size and overall physique balance – chest is overdeveloped from years of bench-focused training

Training Split

• Day 1: Push
• Day 2: Pull
• Day 3: Legs
• Day 4: Arms
• Day 5: Posterior chain & mobility work
• Goal is to bring up lagging areas (shoulders, back, arms)
• All Time Bench PR(in comp): 135 kg (probably 125-130 now)
• Target by end of cycle: ~100kg bodyweight, 140 kg bench

Nutrition & Recovery

• Calories/day: 3800 kcal
• Protein/day: ~220g
• Sleep: 7–8 hours/night, consistent
• Supplements: Creatine, Omega-3, Zinc, Magnesium

Cycle Overview

• Weeks 1–12:
  • Test E – 250 mg/week
• Weeks 5–12 ():
  • Anavar – was planning 20 mg/day (unsure if its worth it)
  • Test E - Same dose
• Aromatase Inhibitor:
  • Arimidex – 0.25 mg/week

PCT Plan

• Starts 2 weeks after last Test E pin
• Clomid:
  • Week 1–2: 50 mg/day
  • Week 3–4: 40 mg/day

Bloodwork

• Pre-cycle bloods done this week (Wednesday)
• Mid-cycle labs planned for Week 6
• Post-cycle labs scheduled ~2 weeks after PCT finishes

Open to all feedback and advice.

@trentwin1 one thing i will say you are super young. what made you want to use steroids at such a tender age? i would have atleast waited a few years

 

[ceo]

Heres some photos before i jump on good to use as my start point

@trentwin1 bros photos look solid. you so young. you got a big future ahead of yourself. don't burn out your HPTA

 

[trentwin1]

First Log Day - Hopefully get in bloods today. Planning to start pinning on monday

Shit sleep last night only about 6 hours before 6am Gym

Todays Training: Posterior Day
SLDLs: 3 working sets of 8-10 reps - 160,140,140
Barbell Rows: 4 working sets of 6-8 reps - 100,90,80
Shrugs: 2 sets of 12 - 100,100
Pullups: Weighted 10 kg 3 sets of 10,8,7 reps
Rear delt cable fly: 4 sets 10kg 15 reps
Forearm cable curls: 4 sets of 14 - 40 kg
Cable Crunches and Hanging leg raises: 2 sets of 12 to failure

Eating:
Breakfast(Limited time): triple scoop protein shake, 600ml Milk - 690 Cals, 92g Protein
Snacks: - Musashi Protein bar - 330cal, 45g protein
- Random Chips and shit I had in my bag - 300cal
Lunch: Can of Tuna, Pie, Tuna Sushi - 1000 Cal, 50g protein
Snack: Protein shake - 430 Cal, 45g protein
Dinner: 300gram Rump Steak and Mash Potatoes - 900 Cal, 66g protein
Drinks: 500Ml coke over day - 210 Cal

Calories ~ 3500
Carbs: ~348 grams
Fat: ~ 109 grams
Protein: 270 gram - All whey or meat protein

Havent finished eating yet but thats what ive planned out

Supps:
15 gram - Creatine
Mangesium, Fish Oil, Zinc

 

[trentwin1]

@trentwin1 one thing i will say you are super young. what made you want to use steroids at such a tender age? i would have atleast waited a few years

Just seems like the right time bro while I dont have to worry too much about money and I'm still at uni and can put in 100% towards the gym. I know I'm real young hence being so careful, it'll be good to get some more noticable progression now that ive been training for almost 5 years.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I'll be following along. I agree with some of the others that you are definitely too young to be messing with hormones. You will likely cause yourself to have fertility issues, end up on TRT, and other potential health issues. That being said, you are going to do what you want, and I am glad to see you are not running some crazy cycle. Make sure you listen to the guys on here. Very experienced and will help you get through things the best.

Biggest thing I notice is a very weak PCT. You will need to really improve in that area.

 

[LevButlerov]

First Log Day - Hopefully get in bloods today. Planning to start pinning on monday

@trentwin1 dont pin anything until we see your bloods and have time to analyze please.

Shit sleep last night only about 6 hours before 6am Gym

Todays Training: Posterior Day
SLDLs: 3 working sets of 8-10 reps - 160,140,140
Barbell Rows: 4 working sets of 6-8 reps - 100,90,80
Shrugs: 2 sets of 12 - 100,100
Pullups: Weighted 10 kg 3 sets of 10,8,7 reps
Rear delt cable fly: 4 sets 10kg 15 reps
Forearm cable curls: 4 sets of 14 - 40 kg
Cable Crunches and Hanging leg raises: 2 sets of 12 to failure

Eating:
Breakfast(Limited time): triple scoop protein shake, 600ml Milk - 690 Cals, 92g Protein
Snacks: - Musashi Protein bar - 330cal, 45g protein
- Random Chips and shit I had in my bag - 300cal
Lunch: Can of Tuna, Pie, Tuna Sushi - 1000 Cal, 50g protein
Snack: Protein shake - 430 Cal, 45g protein
Dinner: 300gram Rump Steak and Mash Potatoes - 900 Cal, 66g protein
Drinks: 500Ml coke over day - 210 Cal

Calories ~ 3500
Carbs: ~348 grams
Fat: ~ 109 grams
Protein: 270 gram - All whey or meat protein

Havent finished eating yet but thats what ive planned out

Supps:
15 gram - Creatine
Mangesium, Fish Oil, Zinc

Sleep is not good, thats a bit issue.

Training, you need to go to 15 rep drop sets on all exercises.

Eating, "random chips" get a protein bar or protein chips and keep in your bag, don't eat nonsense.
Dinner, you cooked it? if you did get yams or sweet potatoes instead.
Drinks, switch coke to diet coke.

Supplements
no digestive aids
no multi vitamins
no multi minerals
add asap

 

[trentwin1]

@trentwin1 dont pin anything until we see your bloods and have time to analyze please.

Sleep is not good, thats a bit issue.

Training, you need to go to 15 rep drop sets on all exercises.

Eating, "random chips" get a protein bar or protein chips and keep in your bag, don't eat nonsense.
Dinner, you cooked it? if you did get yams or sweet potatoes instead.
Drinks, switch coke to diet coke.

Supplements
no digestive aids
no multi vitamins
no multi minerals
add asap

What supplements should I get?

 

[trentwin1]

I'll be following along. I agree with some of the others that you are definitely too young to be messing with hormones. You will likely cause yourself to have fertility issues, end up on TRT, and other potential health issues. That being said, you are going to do what you want, and I am glad to see you are not running some crazy cycle. Make sure you listen to the guys on here. Very experienced and will help you get through things the best.

Biggest thing I notice is a very weak PCT. You will need to really improve in that area.

Is fertility really a worry even with just 250 test/week?

 

[trentwin1]

Just got bloods back. Doctor didnt prescribe estrogen, Lipids or LH & FSH. Itd be awesome to let me know if I need these or any other readings before I start pinning. Heres a Full list of everything that got tested. Keep in mind these tests were done at 3pm so test readings can be up to 30% lower than usual.

Thyroid Function
TSH: 3.6 mIU/L (0.27–4.20)


Hormones
Testosterone: 13.7 nmol/L (7.6–28.0)


Inflammation Marker
CRP: 3 mg/L (<5)


Kidney Function & Electrolytes
Sodium: 141 mmol/L (135–145)
Potassium: 4.3 mmol/L (3.5–5.2)
Creatinine: 102 μmol/L (60–105)
eGFR: >90 mL/min/1.73m² (>90)


Liver Function & Proteins
Bilirubin: 3 μmol/L (<25)
Alkaline phosphatase: 139 U/L (45–150)
GGT: 10 U/L (<60)
ALT: 24 U/L (<45)
Protein: 76 g/L (66–84)
Albumin: 43 g/L (32–48)
Globulin: 33 g/L (25–41)


Complete Blood Count (CBC)
Haemoglobin: 146 g/L (130–175)
Haematocrit: 0.44 L/L (0.40–0.52)
MCV: 85 fL (80–99)
MCH: 28 pg (27–33)
RBC: 5.16 × 10¹²/L (4.30–6.00)
Platelets: 342 × 10⁹/L (150–400)
WBC: 7.1 × 10⁹/L (4.0–11.0)
Neutrophils: 3.5 × 10⁹/L (1.9–7.5)
Lymphocytes: 2.3 × 10⁹/L (1.0–4.0)
Monocytes: 0.9 × 10⁹/L (0.2–1.0)
Eosinophils: 0.3 × 10⁹/L (0.0–0.5)
Basophils: 0.1 × 10⁹/L (0.0–0.2)


Blood Sugar Control
HbA1c: 32 mmol/mol (<42)

 

[Allupfromhere]

Looks like this will be a killer log young brother! Got some great strength for your bodyweight and can already see some awesome chest genetics. Wishing you all the best bro, will def be following along and happy you are approaching all this the best way possible

 

[RoySimpson]

Hey everyone,

Thought I’d start a log here to keep myself accountable and hopefully contribute to the community.

Stats & Background

• Age: 20
• Height: 195 cm
• Weight: 93 kg
• Training: 4 years of serious lifting
• Background: Competed twice at junior nationals as a powerlifter
• Current focus: Put on size and overall physique balance – chest is overdeveloped from years of bench-focused training

Training Split

• Day 1: Push
• Day 2: Pull
• Day 3: Legs
• Day 4: Arms
• Day 5: Posterior chain & mobility work
• Goal is to bring up lagging areas (shoulders, back, arms)
• All Time Bench PR(in comp): 135 kg (probably 125-130 now)
• Target by end of cycle: ~100kg bodyweight, 140 kg bench

Nutrition & Recovery

• Calories/day: 3800 kcal
• Protein/day: ~220g
• Sleep: 7–8 hours/night, consistent
• Supplements: Creatine, Omega-3, Zinc, Magnesium

Cycle Overview

• Weeks 1–12:
  • Test E – 250 mg/week
• Weeks 5–12 ():
  • Anavar – was planning 20 mg/day (unsure if its worth it)
  • Test E - Same dose
• Aromatase Inhibitor:
  • Arimidex – 0.25 mg/week

PCT Plan

• Starts 2 weeks after last Test E pin
• Clomid:
  • Week 1–2: 50 mg/day
  • Week 3–4: 40 mg/day

Bloodwork

• Pre-cycle bloods done this week (Wednesday)
• Mid-cycle labs planned for Week 6
• Post-cycle labs scheduled ~2 weeks after PCT finishes

Open to all feedback and advice.

@trentwin1 looking like a solid log bro! Will be following along!

 

[Ulter]

Just seems like the right time bro while I dont have to worry too much about money and I'm still at uni and can put in 100% towards the gym. I know I'm real young hence being so careful, it'll be good to get some more noticable progression now that ive been training for almost 5 years.

maybe look over the risks more carefully, it will cost you more in the long run

 

[milbous1]

yeah sweet as man hopefully my bloods come in tomorrow and ill chuck em straight up on here

with your age and the shape you are in you could definitely probably put on some serious muscle with the right diet all natural. I have been on here for around a month LevButlerov has some solid advice. i would take what he says serious. All the people i came across so far on here seem like good people.

 

[trentwin1]

@LevButlerov hey man you think you could look over my bloods see if theres any readings missing or I need anything?

Just got bloods back. Doctor didnt prescribe estrogen, Lipids or LH & FSH. Itd be awesome to let me know if I need these or any other readings before I start pinning. Heres a Full list of everything that got tested. Keep in mind these tests were done at 3pm so test readings can be up to 30% lower than usual.

Thyroid Function
TSH: 3.6 mIU/L (0.27–4.20)


Hormones
Testosterone: 13.7 nmol/L (7.6–28.0)


Inflammation Marker
CRP: 3 mg/L (<5)


Kidney Function & Electrolytes
Sodium: 141 mmol/L (135–145)
Potassium: 4.3 mmol/L (3.5–5.2)
Creatinine: 102 μmol/L (60–105)
eGFR: >90 mL/min/1.73m² (>90)


Liver Function & Proteins
Bilirubin: 3 μmol/L (<25)
Alkaline phosphatase: 139 U/L (45–150)
GGT: 10 U/L (<60)
ALT: 24 U/L (<45)
Protein: 76 g/L (66–84)
Albumin: 43 g/L (32–48)
Globulin: 33 g/L (25–41)


Complete Blood Count (CBC)
Haemoglobin: 146 g/L (130–175)
Haematocrit: 0.44 L/L (0.40–0.52)
MCV: 85 fL (80–99)
MCH: 28 pg (27–33)
RBC: 5.16 × 10¹²/L (4.30–6.00)
Platelets: 342 × 10⁹/L (150–400)
WBC: 7.1 × 10⁹/L (4.0–11.0)
Neutrophils: 3.5 × 10⁹/L (1.9–7.5)
Lymphocytes: 2.3 × 10⁹/L (1.0–4.0)
Monocytes: 0.9 × 10⁹/L (0.2–1.0)
Eosinophils: 0.3 × 10⁹/L (0.0–0.5)
Basophils: 0.1 × 10⁹/L (0.0–0.2)


Blood Sugar Control
HbA1c: 32 mmol/mol (<42)

 

[trentwin1]

maybe look over the risks more carefully, it will cost you more in the long run

Biggest thing im worried about is fertility is there a high risk with a good PCT and bloods. I know short term affect but im thinking long term. Im going to add nolvadex to pct i know that was weak.

 

[LevButlerov]

What supplements should I get?

Digestive supplements to start, did you see my list? @trentwin1

Just got bloods back. Doctor didnt prescribe estrogen, Lipids or LH & FSH. Itd be awesome to let me know if I need these or any other readings before I start pinning. Heres a Full list of everything that got tested. Keep in mind these tests were done at 3pm so test readings can be up to 30% lower than usual.

Thyroid Function
TSH: 3.6 mIU/L (0.27–4.20)


Hormones
Testosterone: 13.7 nmol/L (7.6–28.0)


Inflammation Marker
CRP: 3 mg/L (<5)


Kidney Function & Electrolytes
Sodium: 141 mmol/L (135–145)
Potassium: 4.3 mmol/L (3.5–5.2)
Creatinine: 102 μmol/L (60–105)
eGFR: >90 mL/min/1.73m² (>90)


Liver Function & Proteins
Bilirubin: 3 μmol/L (<25)
Alkaline phosphatase: 139 U/L (45–150)
GGT: 10 U/L (<60)
ALT: 24 U/L (<45)
Protein: 76 g/L (66–84)
Albumin: 43 g/L (32–48)
Globulin: 33 g/L (25–41)


Complete Blood Count (CBC)
Haemoglobin: 146 g/L (130–175)
Haematocrit: 0.44 L/L (0.40–0.52)
MCV: 85 fL (80–99)
MCH: 28 pg (27–33)
RBC: 5.16 × 10¹²/L (4.30–6.00)
Platelets: 342 × 10⁹/L (150–400)
WBC: 7.1 × 10⁹/L (4.0–11.0)
Neutrophils: 3.5 × 10⁹/L (1.9–7.5)
Lymphocytes: 2.3 × 10⁹/L (1.0–4.0)
Monocytes: 0.9 × 10⁹/L (0.2–1.0)
Eosinophils: 0.3 × 10⁹/L (0.0–0.5)
Basophils: 0.1 × 10⁹/L (0.0–0.2)


Blood Sugar Control
HbA1c: 32 mmol/mol (<42)

You didnt test LH FSH estrogen e2 or prolactin ? can you get those privately done.

Meanwhile you haven't posted diet training today, whats up?

 

[trentwin1]

Digestive supplements to start, did you see my list? @trentwin1

You didnt test LH FSH estrogen e2 or prolactin ? can you get those privately done.

Meanwhile you haven't posted diet training today, whats up?

Nah I didnt see the Supps list is it on this thread? Chucking up log now and ill get that tested privately for sure.

 

[LevButlerov]

Nah I didnt see the Supps list is it on this thread? Chucking up log now and ill get that tested privately for sure.

Get the log going, update us please
and test privately asap we need it before anything. @trentwin1

 

[trentwin1]

Second Log Day – Sleep 7.5 hours


Todays Training: Push
Bench – 4 working sets: 110×8, 110×7, 110×5, 100×12
Incline chest fly – 4 sets 11.25 kg×10 (extra lengthened partials for 4)
Cable lateral raise – 8.5 kg×8 (2 extra lengthened partials)
Dumbbell lateral raise – 16.5 kg×12 (2 sets, 5 partials)
Rope pushdowns – 31 kg×12 (2 sets, 4 partials)
Overhead tricep – 28 kg×8 (3 sets)
Single arm extensions – 11.25 kg×8 (1 set)


Eating:
Breakfast – protein shake (2 scoops) 68 g protein, 555 cal
– Gatorade 130 cal
Lunch – protein milk 42 g protein, 486 cal
– Pie 16 g protein, 400 cal
– Sushi 20 g protein, 501 cal
Snacks – protein bar 16 g protein, 198 cal
– Can tuna 16.1 g protein, 124 cal
Dinner – Nando’s half chicken + large chips 43.7 g protein, 1029 cal
– Diet Coke 0 cal
Protein shake – 44 g protein, 427 cal


Calories: ~3846
Carbs: ~321 g
Fat: ~130 g
Protein: ~318 g


Supps:
15 g creatine
Magnesium
Fish oil
Zinc

Supps to add? cant find list @LevButlerov

 

[trentwin1]

Get the log going, update us please
and test privately asap we need it before anything. @trentwin1

just emailed my doctor but then if not will get tested privately luckily they take a day to come in.

 

[Ulter]

Biggest thing im worried about is fertility is there a high risk with a good PCT and bloods. I know short term affect but im thinking long term. Im going to add nolvadex to pct i know that was weak.

yes high risk. you are interfering with your development.

 

[LevButlerov]

just emailed my doctor but then if not will get tested privately luckily they take a day to come in.

Update us.

and did you train today? @trentwin1

 

[LevButlerov]

Second Log Day – Sleep 7.5 hours


Todays Training: Push
Bench – 4 working sets: 110×8, 110×7, 110×5, 100×12
Incline chest fly – 4 sets 11.25 kg×10 (extra lengthened partials for 4)
Cable lateral raise – 8.5 kg×8 (2 extra lengthened partials)
Dumbbell lateral raise – 16.5 kg×12 (2 sets, 5 partials)
Rope pushdowns – 31 kg×12 (2 sets, 4 partials)
Overhead tricep – 28 kg×8 (3 sets)
Single arm extensions – 11.25 kg×8 (1 set)


Eating:
Breakfast – protein shake (2 scoops) 68 g protein, 555 cal
– Gatorade 130 cal
Lunch – protein milk 42 g protein, 486 cal
– Pie 16 g protein, 400 cal
– Sushi 20 g protein, 501 cal
Snacks – protein bar 16 g protein, 198 cal
– Can tuna 16.1 g protein, 124 cal
Dinner – Nando’s half chicken + large chips 43.7 g protein, 1029 cal
– Diet Coke 0 cal
Protein shake – 44 g protein, 427 cal


Calories: ~3846
Carbs: ~321 g
Fat: ~130 g
Protein: ~318 g


Supps:
15 g creatine
Magnesium
Fish oil
Zinc

Supps to add? cant find list @LevButlerov

Just saw this. This is good today on macros, how about changing Gatorade to sugar free?

I didnt see cardio?

supplements, you need digestive aids probiotics, digestive enzymes psyllium husk. @trentwin1

 

[ballin2504]

Hey everyone,

Thought I’d start a log here to keep myself accountable and hopefully contribute to the community.

Stats & Background

• Age: 20
• Height: 195 cm
• Weight: 93 kg
• Training: 4 years of serious lifting
• Background: Competed twice at junior nationals as a powerlifter
• Current focus: Put on size and overall physique balance – chest is overdeveloped from years of bench-focused training

Training Split

• Day 1: Push
• Day 2: Pull
• Day 3: Legs
• Day 4: Arms
• Day 5: Posterior chain & mobility work
• Goal is to bring up lagging areas (shoulders, back, arms)
• All Time Bench PR(in comp): 135 kg (probably 125-130 now)
• Target by end of cycle: ~100kg bodyweight, 140 kg bench

Nutrition & Recovery

• Calories/day: 3800 kcal
• Protein/day: ~220g
• Sleep: 7–8 hours/night, consistent
• Supplements: Creatine, Omega-3, Zinc, Magnesium

Cycle Overview

• Weeks 1–12:
  • Test E – 250 mg/week
• Weeks 5–12 ():
  • Anavar – was planning 20 mg/day (unsure if its worth it)
  • Test E - Same dose
• Aromatase Inhibitor:
  • Arimidex – 0.25 mg/week

PCT Plan

• Starts 2 weeks after last Test E pin
• Clomid:
  • Week 1–2: 50 mg/day
  • Week 3–4: 40 mg/day

Bloodwork

• Pre-cycle bloods done this week (Wednesday)
• Mid-cycle labs planned for Week 6
• Post-cycle labs scheduled ~2 weeks after PCT finishes

Open to all feedback and advice.

@trentwin1 nice start to the log and welcome to the forum. Let’s see you kill it.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Is fertility really a worry even with just 250 test/week?

Using any amount of test will shut down your natural production so there is risk for sure.

 

[trentwin1]

Hey Guys first log in a while. Cycle going really well. Still on 300mg/week, taking a bit to find a good amount of ai to have, Crashed my e2 a little at the start and found 0.25mg every third pin works well for me (pinning twice a week). Now on week 8 of my cycle. Been pretty dialed with eating and training. Still on the same split. Right now bodyweight is at 105 kg up 12 kg since start of cycle. Been tracking calories to stay at maintenance for a week or so want to lean out a bit as the cycle finishes.

Cals atm:
3800 cals
485g carbs
242g protein
107g fat

Training:
Same split with good strength increases, benched 150
Also chucked in 30 mins of cardio everyday either stairmaster or incline treadmill burning roughly 200 cals

Sleep has been real good to minimum 8 hours which is very nice

been sitting nicely at 105 pretty stable.

Been a bit stuck with what to do at the end of the cycle. I have nolva and clomid on hand a could do a pct, however I'm up in the air about this. What is everyone thoughts on doing a cruise and adding in HCG, maybe 400 IU's every three days or so? Also planning next cycle to be possibly eq and test? Roughly dosages I think would be like 500 test 300 eq a week? Even if I chose to do a cruise next cycle's minimum 15 weeks away so just early planning stages. However open to suggestions, mostly focusing on slow dry gains and I want to maintain fertility. Not planning on being natty anytime soon and I'm very happy with being on trt for life.

Going to make these logs more frequent. Also getting bloods very soon.

 

[Xinxai94]

Crazy progress bro good stuff. Got any progress photos?

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey Guys first log in a while. Cycle going really well. Still on 300mg/week, taking a bit to find a good amount of ai to have, Crashed my e2 a little at the start and found 0.25mg every third pin works well for me (pinning twice a week). Now on week 8 of my cycle. Been pretty dialed with eating and training. Still on the same split. Right now bodyweight is at 105 kg up 12 kg since start of cycle. Been tracking calories to stay at maintenance for a week or so want to lean out a bit as the cycle finishes.

Cals atm:
3800 cals
485g carbs
242g protein
107g fat

Training:
Same split with good strength increases, benched 150
Also chucked in 30 mins of cardio everyday either stairmaster or incline treadmill burning roughly 200 cals

Sleep has been real good to minimum 8 hours which is very nice

been sitting nicely at 105 pretty stable.

Been a bit stuck with what to do at the end of the cycle. I have nolva and clomid on hand a could do a pct, however I'm up in the air about this. What is everyone thoughts on doing a cruise and adding in HCG, maybe 400 IU's every three days or so? Also planning next cycle to be possibly eq and test? Roughly dosages I think would be like 500 test 300 eq a week? Even if I chose to do a cruise next cycle's minimum 15 weeks away so just early planning stages. However open to suggestions, mostly focusing on slow dry gains and I want to maintain fertility. Not planning on being natty anytime soon and I'm very happy with being on trt for life.

Going to make these logs more frequent. Also getting bloods very soon.

welcome back to the EVO family @trentwin1
Big jump up to 105kg with strength still climbing, 150 bench at this stage shows the cycle’s been productive and the macros are set up well to hold size. Cardio daily is a smart add to keep you tighter while food’s high, and 8 hours of sleep explains why recovery has been solid.

If you want fertility kept in check then running HCG on a cruise makes sense, 400 IU every few days is a reasonable start. Though you should add a fadogia based test booster like hcgenerate too.
PCT with nolva and clomid would reset things but if you’re already set on being on for life then cruising low test with HCG is usually the smoother move. Planning test and eq next is fine, just keep bloods tight, eq around 300 and test higher like you noted is a good balance for lean growth.

 

[trentwin1]

No pump or anything. Happy with being able to maintain my abs with the decent amount of weight i put on. Arms still have a long way to go but happy so far.

 

[trentwin1]

welcome back to the EVO family @trentwin1
Big jump up to 105kg with strength still climbing, 150 bench at this stage shows the cycle’s been productive and the macros are set up well to hold size. Cardio daily is a smart add to keep you tighter while food’s high, and 8 hours of sleep explains why recovery has been solid.

If you want fertility kept in check then running HCG on a cruise makes sense, 400 IU every few days is a reasonable start. Though you should add a fadogia based test booster like hcgenerate too.
PCT with nolva and clomid would reset things but if you’re already set on being on for life then cruising low test with HCG is usually the smoother move. Planning test and eq next is fine, just keep bloods tight, eq around 300 and test higher like you noted is a good balance for lean growth.

Perfect thanks for the advice. What are your thoughts on the cruise dose from what I've seen 100-150mg a week?

 

[Xinxai94]

No pump or anything. Happy with being able to maintain my abs with the decent amount of weight i put on. Arms still have a long way to go but happy so far.

How tall are you?

 

[trentwin1]

How tall are you?

6’4

 

[LevButlerov]

No pump or anything. Happy with being able to maintain my abs with the decent amount of weight i put on. Arms still have a long way to go but happy so far.

6’4

You look good, clean size lets add more protein can you?

 

[trentwin1]

You look good, clean size lets add more protein can you?

yeah sure what do you think i should aim for?

 

[Mobster]

Still progressing

 

[Mobster]

Hey Guys first log in a while. Cycle going really well. Still on 300mg/week, taking a bit to find a good amount of ai to have, Crashed my e2 a little at the start and found 0.25mg every third pin works well for me (pinning twice a week). Now on week 8 of my cycle. Been pretty dialed with eating and training. Still on the same split. Right now bodyweight is at 105 kg up 12 kg since start of cycle. Been tracking calories to stay at maintenance for a week or so want to lean out a bit as the cycle finishes.

Cals atm:
3800 cals
485g carbs
242g protein
107g fat

Training:
Same split with good strength increases, benched 150
Also chucked in 30 mins of cardio everyday either stairmaster or incline treadmill burning roughly 200 cals

Sleep has been real good to minimum 8 hours which is very nice

been sitting nicely at 105 pretty stable.

Been a bit stuck with what to do at the end of the cycle. I have nolva and clomid on hand a could do a pct, however I'm up in the air about this. What is everyone thoughts on doing a cruise and adding in HCG, maybe 400 IU's every three days or so? Also planning next cycle to be possibly eq and test? Roughly dosages I think would be like 500 test 300 eq a week? Even if I chose to do a cruise next cycle's minimum 15 weeks away so just early planning stages. However open to suggestions, mostly focusing on slow dry gains and I want to maintain fertility. Not planning on being natty anytime soon and I'm very happy with being on trt for life.

Going to make these logs more frequent. Also getting bloods very soon.

Good start

 

[stevesmi]

No pump or anything. Happy with being able to maintain my abs with the decent amount of weight i put on. Arms still have a long way to go but happy so far.

@trentwin1 good to see you are improving. i see a lot of improvement to go from you. keep dialing in the diet

 

[stevesmi]

Hey Guys first log in a while. Cycle going really well. Still on 300mg/week, taking a bit to find a good amount of ai to have, Crashed my e2 a little at the start and found 0.25mg every third pin works well for me (pinning twice a week). Now on week 8 of my cycle. Been pretty dialed with eating and training. Still on the same split. Right now bodyweight is at 105 kg up 12 kg since start of cycle. Been tracking calories to stay at maintenance for a week or so want to lean out a bit as the cycle finishes.

Cals atm:
3800 cals
485g carbs
242g protein
107g fat

Training:
Same split with good strength increases, benched 150
Also chucked in 30 mins of cardio everyday either stairmaster or incline treadmill burning roughly 200 cals

Sleep has been real good to minimum 8 hours which is very nice

been sitting nicely at 105 pretty stable.

Been a bit stuck with what to do at the end of the cycle. I have nolva and clomid on hand a could do a pct, however I'm up in the air about this. What is everyone thoughts on doing a cruise and adding in HCG, maybe 400 IU's every three days or so? Also planning next cycle to be possibly eq and test? Roughly dosages I think would be like 500 test 300 eq a week? Even if I chose to do a cruise next cycle's minimum 15 weeks away so just early planning stages. However open to suggestions, mostly focusing on slow dry gains and I want to maintain fertility. Not planning on being natty anytime soon and I'm very happy with being on trt for life.

Going to make these logs more frequent. Also getting bloods very soon.

@trentwin1 very nice job getting in 8 hours of sleep. If you can do that consistently, you will recover Like A Champion. That's a huge thing.

 

[LevButlerov]

yeah sure what do you think i should aim for?

+30 grams to start

 

[2Thick]

Hey Guys first log in a while. Cycle going really well. Still on 300mg/week, taking a bit to find a good amount of ai to have, Crashed my e2 a little at the start and found 0.25mg every third pin works well for me (pinning twice a week). Now on week 8 of my cycle. Been pretty dialed with eating and training. Still on the same split. Right now bodyweight is at 105 kg up 12 kg since start of cycle. Been tracking calories to stay at maintenance for a week or so want to lean out a bit as the cycle finishes.

Cals atm:
3800 cals
485g carbs
242g protein
107g fat

Training:
Same split with good strength increases, benched 150
Also chucked in 30 mins of cardio everyday either stairmaster or incline treadmill burning roughly 200 cals

Sleep has been real good to minimum 8 hours which is very nice

been sitting nicely at 105 pretty stable.

Been a bit stuck with what to do at the end of the cycle. I have nolva and clomid on hand a could do a pct, however I'm up in the air about this. What is everyone thoughts on doing a cruise and adding in HCG, maybe 400 IU's every three days or so? Also planning next cycle to be possibly eq and test? Roughly dosages I think would be like 500 test 300 eq a week? Even if I chose to do a cruise next cycle's minimum 15 weeks away so just early planning stages. However open to suggestions, mostly focusing on slow dry gains and I want to maintain fertility. Not planning on being natty anytime soon and I'm very happy with being on trt for life.

Going to make these logs more frequent. Also getting bloods very soon.

nice job on the the macro breakdown. You sure are pumping up those carbs. And very nicer getting 8 hours of sleep. That is very beneficial @trentwin1

 

[Ulter]

Hey Guys first log in a while. Cycle going really well. Still on 300mg/week, taking a bit to find a good amount of ai to have, Crashed my e2 a little at the start and found 0.25mg every third pin works well for me (pinning twice a week). Now on week 8 of my cycle. Been pretty dialed with eating and training. Still on the same split. Right now bodyweight is at 105 kg up 12 kg since start of cycle. Been tracking calories to stay at maintenance for a week or so want to lean out a bit as the cycle finishes.

Cals atm:
3800 cals
485g carbs
242g protein
107g fat

Training:
Same split with good strength increases, benched 150
Also chucked in 30 mins of cardio everyday either stairmaster or incline treadmill burning roughly 200 cals

Sleep has been real good to minimum 8 hours which is very nice

been sitting nicely at 105 pretty stable.

Been a bit stuck with what to do at the end of the cycle. I have nolva and clomid on hand a could do a pct, however I'm up in the air about this. What is everyone thoughts on doing a cruise and adding in HCG, maybe 400 IU's every three days or so? Also planning next cycle to be possibly eq and test? Roughly dosages I think would be like 500 test 300 eq a week? Even if I chose to do a cruise next cycle's minimum 15 weeks away so just early planning stages. However open to suggestions, mostly focusing on slow dry gains and I want to maintain fertility. Not planning on being natty anytime soon and I'm very happy with being on trt for life.

Going to make these logs more frequent. Also getting bloods very soon.

30 minutes of cardio is nice. i would recommend high intensity. @trentwin1 That would be an optimal way to get it in.

 

[ceo]

Hey Guys first log in a while. Cycle going really well. Still on 300mg/week, taking a bit to find a good amount of ai to have, Crashed my e2 a little at the start and found 0.25mg every third pin works well for me (pinning twice a week). Now on week 8 of my cycle. Been pretty dialed with eating and training. Still on the same split. Right now bodyweight is at 105 kg up 12 kg since start of cycle. Been tracking calories to stay at maintenance for a week or so want to lean out a bit as the cycle finishes.

Cals atm:
3800 cals
485g carbs
242g protein
107g fat

Training:
Same split with good strength increases, benched 150
Also chucked in 30 mins of cardio everyday either stairmaster or incline treadmill burning roughly 200 cals

Sleep has been real good to minimum 8 hours which is very nice

been sitting nicely at 105 pretty stable.

Been a bit stuck with what to do at the end of the cycle. I have nolva and clomid on hand a could do a pct, however I'm up in the air about this. What is everyone thoughts on doing a cruise and adding in HCG, maybe 400 IU's every three days or so? Also planning next cycle to be possibly eq and test? Roughly dosages I think would be like 500 test 300 eq a week? Even if I chose to do a cruise next cycle's minimum 15 weeks away so just early planning stages. However open to suggestions, mostly focusing on slow dry gains and I want to maintain fertility. Not planning on being natty anytime soon and I'm very happy with being on trt for life.

Going to make these logs more frequent. Also getting bloods very soon.

@trentwin1 bros EVO family appreciates you. i'm glad you going to log more frequently. best thing i heard today! and bloods get those up asap yes

 

[ROIDDERS]

Hey Guys first log in a while. Cycle going really well. Still on 300mg/week, taking a bit to find a good amount of ai to have, Crashed my e2 a little at the start and found 0.25mg every third pin works well for me (pinning twice a week). Now on week 8 of my cycle. Been pretty dialed with eating and training. Still on the same split. Right now bodyweight is at 105 kg up 12 kg since start of cycle. Been tracking calories to stay at maintenance for a week or so want to lean out a bit as the cycle finishes.

Cals atm:
3800 cals
485g carbs
242g protein
107g fat

Training:
Same split with good strength increases, benched 150
Also chucked in 30 mins of cardio everyday either stairmaster or incline treadmill burning roughly 200 cals

Sleep has been real good to minimum 8 hours which is very nice

been sitting nicely at 105 pretty stable.

Been a bit stuck with what to do at the end of the cycle. I have nolva and clomid on hand a could do a pct, however I'm up in the air about this. What is everyone thoughts on doing a cruise and adding in HCG, maybe 400 IU's every three days or so? Also planning next cycle to be possibly eq and test? Roughly dosages I think would be like 500 test 300 eq a week? Even if I chose to do a cruise next cycle's minimum 15 weeks away so just early planning stages. However open to suggestions, mostly focusing on slow dry gains and I want to maintain fertility. Not planning on being natty anytime soon and I'm very happy with being on trt for life.

Going to make these logs more frequent. Also getting bloods very soon.

EQ and test are a good stack. how much to dose you ask? well it depends. some people like them EQUAL. some like more EQ, and some like more test. i personally like them roughly equal 300-400mgs a week @trentwin1

 

[ceo]

No pump or anything. Happy with being able to maintain my abs with the decent amount of weight i put on. Arms still have a long way to go but happy so far.

@trentwin1 Bros. Your arms are getting definition. And they are super big as well. So, I give you a lot of props for that.

 

[ROIDDERS]

No pump or anything. Happy with being able to maintain my abs with the decent amount of weight i put on. Arms still have a long way to go but happy so far.

no need to be modest. you look good man! Can tell that you definitely are developing some cuts to your muscles. they are growing and will grow a lot you wait and see @trentwin1

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Hey man, just came across your log, you're doing some really interesting stuff man. Not fitness and lifting wise but we're in a similar stage with testosterone I think. I'm on week 6 of my first testosterone cycle, tho its not really a cycle.
How I came to that point was through doing self-administered TRT as regular therapy in NZ is kinda inaccessible and onerous, I ended up turning it down after fighting for it for two years in favor of self-administered that went incredibly well very quickly, all my low test symptoms are gone.
So I'm learning the ropes with test still but that's a lifelong thing for me now (I'm 40) as I made the TRT decision. EQ sounds so perfect for my goals right now. I want to see out the 12 weeks I set out for getting started with test but then was thinking similar to you, stay at 300 test, add 300 of EQ and then maybe also take 20mg of Anavar too depending on how it goes, could just as easily save that for winter.
Turinibol also looks really interesting. I value my man-bun and cardio so chose based on those things. There's about 5 episodes of the Evolutionary.org Podcast that found particularly useful in researching this, I can link you to them if you like but most have Equipoise, EQ, Anavar, cut, Spring or Summer in the title so you can search them.
Those guys know this subject really well, I don't think I could have got to that combo so quickly without those episodes, but that cycle I think suits my current level, goals and will give the least amount of the particular side affects I want to avoid, namely hair loss and hindering cardio.

I'd be really interested in hearing what you decide bro, looks like things are going good for you too

I want to keep my cardio high and get better with endurance stuff too, start roller skating again and surf throughout the coming spring and summer before dropping back to 150mg for a break before doing something different in winter.

 

[trentwin1]

Hey man, just came across your log, you're doing some really interesting stuff man. Not fitness and lifting wise but we're in a similar stage with testosterone I think. I'm on week 6 of my first testosterone cycle, tho its not really a cycle.
How I came to that point was through doing self-administered TRT as regular therapy in NZ is kinda inaccessible and onerous, I ended up turning it down after fighting for it for two years in favor of self-administered that went incredibly well very quickly, all my low test symptoms are gone.
So I'm learning the ropes with test still but that's a lifelong thing for me now (I'm 40) as I made the TRT decision. EQ sounds so perfect for my goals right now. I want to see out the 12 weeks I set out for getting started with test but then was thinking similar to you, stay at 300 test, add 300 of EQ and then maybe also take 20mg of Anavar too depending on how it goes, could just as easily save that for winter.
Turinibol also looks really interesting. I value my man-bun and cardio so chose based on those things. There's about 5 episodes of the Evolutionary.org Podcast that found particularly useful in researching this, I can link you to them if you like but most have Equipoise, EQ, Anavar, cut, Spring or Summer in the title so you can search them.
Those guys know this subject really well, I don't think I could have got to that combo so quickly without those episodes, but that cycle I think suits my current level, goals and will give the least amount of the particular side affects I want to avoid, namely hair loss and hindering cardio.

I'd be really interested in hearing what you decide bro, looks like things are going good for you too

I want to keep my cardio high and get better with endurance stuff too, start roller skating again and surf throughout the coming spring and summer before dropping back to 150mg for a break before doing something different in winter.

Thats awesome man have you looked into sourcing var and tbol? An nz source would be sick

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Thats awesome man have you looked into sourcing var and tbol? An nz source would be sick

Not tbol bro but Anavar you can get from Life Forge, he's just out at the moment. There's also a site where I bought Nolvadex from called NZSarms that sell it but it's $150 for 30 x 20mg which seems steep. Haven't seen tbol at all, have you?

I'm not going to import anything but keep looking until I find everything. I have two threads in the NZ sub here on Evo with Test E from Life Forge and AUStarLabs, and the Nolvadex from NZSarms but that's as far as I've gotten so far.

 

[toddthelineman]

Is fertility really a worry even with just 250 test/week?

Your LH and FSH will hit zero at 70mg a week or 7000mg a week. And possibly just as fast. HPTA sees exogenous test, the process of sex hormone production stops. Go too long, and the organs start to atrophy and longer you go like that the harder it will be to bounce back. Short cycle will bounce back, but mind you, you aren’t done growing. So this is going to disrupt your growth process. That’s the difference between starting at 20 and starting at 25. When I was 20 I didn’t even have to shave all that often. I was not fully grown even though I was living 100% as an adult. By 25 I had a beaver pelt for a beard, noticeable male pattern baldness, two kids, and a very dad-like grip strength lol. I did an oral only cycle around 32 year old. Badly. Too long etc. but bounced right back and was actually stronger and in better shape without it a year later. So, I’m not trying to lecture you or anything. You seem pretty damn smart and you aren’t just fooling around. You could probably teach me some things to. But I’m sharing my experience for you to consider

 

[toddthelineman]

cycle. I have nolva and clomid on hand a could do a pct, however I'm up in the air about this. What is everyone thoughts on doing a cruise and adding in HCG, maybe 400 IU's every three days or so? Also planning next cycle to be possibly eq and test?

I used HCG. For like 4 years. From the very beginning of my trt/trt+/sports trt+ whatever hahahaha. It will keep your testicles roughly full size, and it doesn’t take much at all. I struggled with e2 issues the entire time. Once I thought it would be fun to shoot like half a vial before a weekend trip with a nice lady, hahaha. Well it WAS fun, and then she was like “what happened to your back?!” Horrific acne breakout. Like I could’ve went viral with it. Bleeding all over the sheets.

Once you reconstitute your hcg, it starts losing potency, so you will get inconsistent results. And traveling with it is a huge hassle.

And it STILL shuts down your HPTA, it just keeps the nuts working. Fadogia Agrestis also works, it’s all I use now. I agree that you should use both if you just won’t come off, but bro, what’s the hurry? You can come off. You will barely lose gains. It’s the much braver thing to do. What you are considering is exactly how it all starts. I totally get it. I started, wanted to get stronger and then back off and assess the situation. Now about five years later… I never did come off and if I did I would be in crisis. If you REALLY want to maintain real fertility like you say, you HAVE TO STOP, and don’t start again until you have proven that you’re shooting live rounds. Then you will know. And that will happen at this point, there’s no way you’re fried yet, but if you continue you will be fried at some point.

 

[trentwin1]

Quick update.
Just writing this as Im doing my cardio. Arm day today, managed to get 48kg dumbells for 8 on shoulder press today very happy. Hit 220 for 2 on squat yesterday aswell, definitely seeing massive gains as of recent. Will upload some pics got some nice ones with decent lighting and pump.

Started taking nolvadex a few days ago at 20mg/day as i saw that can stop gyno growth without crashing e2. Managed to clear up the slight growth i had in my left nipple pretty fast.

Having a slight issue at the moment with my right arm being bigger, however my right arm is actually stronger doesnt make sense.

Put up my protein 30 grams yesterday and starting to increase my carbs in the meals I have before my workout for the day. Finding it a little tricky to not go over my fat goals, not too worried though as weight is staying stable and they are good fat sources none of those seed oils or anything.

Everything going very well allround.

Last question does anyone have anything for bacne? Getting a little bit got a few active incredient cleansers but still have a bit on my back. Managed to keep my face clear which is nice.

 

[LevButlerov]

Quick update.
Just writing this as Im doing my cardio. Arm day today, managed to get 48kg dumbells for 8 on shoulder press today very happy. Hit 220 for 2 on squat yesterday aswell, definitely seeing massive gains as of recent. Will upload some pics got some nice ones with decent lighting and pump.

Started taking nolvadex a few days ago at 20mg/day as i saw that can stop gyno growth without crashing e2. Managed to clear up the slight growth i had in my left nipple pretty fast.

Having a slight issue at the moment with my right arm being bigger, however my right arm is actually stronger doesnt make sense.

Put up my protein 30 grams yesterday and starting to increase my carbs in the meals I have before my workout for the day. Finding it a little tricky to not go over my fat goals, not too worried though as weight is staying stable and they are good fat sources none of those seed oils or anything.

Everything going very well allround.

Last question does anyone have anything for bacne? Getting a little bit got a few active incredient cleansers but still have a bit on my back. Managed to keep my face clear which is nice.

Big lifts lately, 48 kg presses for 8 and 220 squats for doubles show you’re in a strong groove. Smart move using 20 mg nolvadex to calm that gyno early, perfect example of fixing it without tanking e2.

The arm size thing happens a lot, strength doesn’t always match volume, just keep working both evenly and it balances out over time. For bacne, try a benzoyl peroxide wash or spray post shower and keep your shirts clean after training, usually clears it up fast.

 

[trentwin1]

Big lifts lately, 48 kg presses for 8 and 220 squats for doubles show you’re in a strong groove. Smart move using 20 mg nolvadex to calm that gyno early, perfect example of fixing it without tanking e2.

The arm size thing happens a lot, strength doesn’t always match volume, just keep working both evenly and it balances out over time. For bacne, try a benzoyl peroxide wash or spray post shower and keep your shirts clean after training, usually clears it up fast.

Sweet as ill definitely go get me some.

Also was just wondering if anyone on here has done eq? Ive seen it has some anxiety affects and with the long half life I know that'll take a while to clear. With my dosage of 300mg/week would I need to worry about anxiety? And also how big of a difference did it make in your Red blood cell count?

 

[LevButlerov]

Sweet as ill definitely go get me some.

Also was just wondering if anyone on here has done eq? Ive seen it has some anxiety affects and with the long half life I know that'll take a while to clear. With my dosage of 300mg/week would I need to worry about anxiety? And also how big of a difference did it make in your Red blood cell count?

EQ can definitely raise RBC over time, especially once you’re past week 6 or 7, so bloodwork mid-cycle is a must. At 300mg a week it’s a mild dose, and most people tolerate it fine as long as hematocrit stays in range. Anxiety tends to show more at higher doses or when e2 and BP drift up, so it’s usually not from the EQ alone but from the combo of factors.

If you go ahead with it, donate blood halfway through and keep hydration up. EQ shines for steady lean gains and better appetite, but the long ester means once it’s in, it’s in, so commit for 12 weeks minimum to see real benefit.

 

[trentwin1]

EQ can definitely raise RBC over time, especially once you’re past week 6 or 7, so bloodwork mid-cycle is a must. At 300mg a week it’s a mild dose, and most people tolerate it fine as long as hematocrit stays in range. Anxiety tends to show more at higher doses or when e2 and BP drift up, so it’s usually not from the EQ alone but from the combo of factors.

If you go ahead with it, donate blood halfway through and keep hydration up. EQ shines for steady lean gains and better appetite, but the long ester means once it’s in, it’s in, so commit for 12 weeks minimum to see real benefit.

Are you allowed to donate blood on gear? Ill have to double check the rules in nz

 

[trentwin1]

Are you allowed to donate blood on gear? Ill have to double check the rules in nz

Yeah just did a quick search Im not allowed to donate blood

 

[trentwin1]

Few pics of the arm and shoulders today

 

[Noah Wixx]

Hey Guys first log in a while. Cycle going really well. Still on 300mg/week, taking a bit to find a good amount of ai to have, Crashed my e2 a little at the start and found 0.25mg every third pin works well for me (pinning twice a week). Now on week 8 of my cycle. Been pretty dialed with eating and training. Still on the same split. Right now bodyweight is at 105 kg up 12 kg since start of cycle. Been tracking calories to stay at maintenance for a week or so want to lean out a bit as the cycle finishes.

Cals atm:
3800 cals
485g carbs
242g protein
107g fat

Training:
Same split with good strength increases, benched 150
Also chucked in 30 mins of cardio everyday either stairmaster or incline treadmill burning roughly 200 cals

Sleep has been real good to minimum 8 hours which is very nice

been sitting nicely at 105 pretty stable.

Been a bit stuck with what to do at the end of the cycle. I have nolva and clomid on hand a could do a pct, however I'm up in the air about this. What is everyone thoughts on doing a cruise and adding in HCG, maybe 400 IU's every three days or so? Also planning next cycle to be possibly eq and test? Roughly dosages I think would be like 500 test 300 eq a week? Even if I chose to do a cruise next cycle's minimum 15 weeks away so just early planning stages. However open to suggestions, mostly focusing on slow dry gains and I want to maintain fertility. Not planning on being natty anytime soon and I'm very happy with being on trt for life.

Going to make these logs more frequent. Also getting bloods very soon.

Sleep is one of the most important aspects so its good u are getting 8 hours

 

[Noah Wixx]

No pump or anything. Happy with being able to maintain my abs with the decent amount of weight i put on. Arms still have a long way to go but happy so far.

Nice to keep the midsection tight when possible

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Yeah just did a quick search Im not allowed to donate blood

I was wondering how they were doing that too. I get lectured all the time about not giving blood as if I might sneak off and get it done. But maybe there's a reason.

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

Few pics of the arm and shoulders today

@trentwin1 nice pics bro....keep progressing.......

 

[toddthelineman]

Are you allowed to donate blood on gear? Ill have to double check the rules in nz

People do it. And they do it a lot. You would have to lie about doing injections, and lie about using PEDs. If you use accutane you could really hurt someone. The whole thing is problematic, because either you have to hire a nurse to do a therapeutic phlebotomy(not too many people doing that), or you have to donate blood. If you don’t your blood will get quite thick and it’s not ok at all. That’s one of the major common things that causes issues with steroid users. Doing ignore it. Figure out what you are going to do now.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

People do it. And they do it a lot. You would have to lie about doing injections, and lie about using PEDs. If you use accutane you could really hurt someone. The whole thing is problematic, because either you have to hire a nurse to do a therapeutic phlebotomy(not too many people doing that), or you have to donate blood. If you don’t your blood will get quite thick and it’s not ok at all. That’s one of the major common things that causes issues with steroid users. Doing ignore it. Figure out what you are going to do now.

That's crazy, thanks for the info man. I remember @stevesmi talking about a middle eastern bodybuilder I forget the name of who started a blood letting clinic.

How much do you need to take out each time? Over a litre? I can fill a 10ml barrel in about 30 seconds if I hit the vein right, could probably do a litre in ten minutes just using syringes with a butterfly clip to hold the tip in. There's probably better tools for that. Surely others have to do this too?

I don't feel good about lying at the blood bank. They test for hep c and aids but almost nobody has fucking aids, but everyone's on some combo of shit. They specifically said "your blood would kill a horse".

 

[toddthelineman]

That's crazy, thanks for the info man. I remember @stevesmi talking about a middle eastern bodybuilder I forget the name of who started a blood letting clinic.

How much do you need to take out each time? Over a litre? I can fill a 10ml barrel in about 30 seconds if I hit the vein right, could probably do a litre in ten minutes just using syringes. There's probably better tools for this. Surely others have to do this too?

I don't feel good about lying at the blood bank. They test for hep c and aids but almost nobody has fucking aids, but everyone's on some combo of shit. They specifically said "your blood would kill a horse".

Yeah you are probably good enough with IV work that you could just do it. Get the bags off Amazon lol. I don’t recall, I’ve done it three times. It’s a fair amount of blood. And for sure, you can’t be donating blood. Me, I feel pretty good about it. I see people donating blood, like really unhealthy, and it makes me wonder how well I’d do. If I’m bleeding out in the hospital by all means, get it in there and we’ll figure out the rest later. But I don’t think my blood is going to hurt anyone. At PEDs that are in there would be momentary, as it’s only a fraction of my blood and doesn’t come with the esterified depot in my ass cheek. So who ever got it would have elevated test and igf1 for a few hours while they were in mortal danger from a car accident or gunshot. I’m not saying it will help them but it won’t feel worse hahaha

 

[trentwin1]

Yeah you are probably good enough with IV work that you could just do it. Get the bags off Amazon lol. I don’t recall, I’ve done it three times. It’s a fair amount of blood. And for sure, you can’t be donating blood. Me, I feel pretty good about it. I see people donating blood, like really unhealthy, and it makes me wonder how well I’d do. If I’m bleeding out in the hospital by all means, get it in there and we’ll figure out the rest later. But I don’t think my blood is going to hurt anyone. At PEDs that are in there would be momentary, as it’s only a fraction of my blood and doesn’t come with the esterified depot in my ass cheek. So who ever got it would have elevated test and igf1 for a few hours while they were in mortal danger from a car accident or gunshot. I’m not saying it will help them but it won’t feel worse hahaha

I think its if its given to a pregnant woman with a girl with the elevated test you’d end up making the female fetus grow a dick. My girlfriend is a doctor and she says definite no no donating blood on peds.

 

[trentwin1]

That's crazy, thanks for the info man. I remember @stevesmi talking about a middle eastern bodybuilder I forget the name of who started a blood letting clinic.

How much do you need to take out each time? Over a litre? I can fill a 10ml barrel in about 30 seconds if I hit the vein right, could probably do a litre in ten minutes just using syringes with a butterfly clip to hold the tip in. There's probably better tools for that. Surely others have to do this too?

I don't feel good about lying at the blood bank. They test for hep c and aids but almost nobody has fucking aids, but everyone's on some combo of shit. They specifically said "your blood would kill a horse".

Yeah I dont know if eq is the right call unless you want to pay to get your blood drained or go through a doctor. Unless you have something to create negative pressure your veins aren't able to drain enough blood by themselves. Im thinking about just upping my test dose for my next cycle maybe chuck in some var for the last 6-8 weeks. Not sure

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Yeah you are probably good enough with IV work that you could just do it. Get the bags off Amazon lol. I don’t recall, I’ve done it three times. It’s a fair amount of blood. And for sure, you can’t be donating blood.

If I had sufficient reason i could easily do that. I just tried it an it's easy once you're in a vein but would definitely want to get a betterfly clip with a line so you can attach something better.

I read about this guy in the UK who was abusing his take home methadone doses by shooting them up. I used to do that too but thanks to this guy it was very easy for me. UK set the standard for methadone and I don't know who stole it from the Nazis first but it was the UK who made it into the maintaine drug it now is. They always had the weak concentration of 1mg per ml, mine is 10. On top of that it had sugar in it they say to make it taste better but I bet it's to try discourge this like how they sometimes put 500mg of paracetamol with oxy so you couldn't shoot them haha. But this guy soldiered on and his 90mg methadone dose was thus 90ml of sugar water which he took in 9 x 10ml injections until he got ah, i think it was gangrene, it had a picture of his arm and soon after that we got the clean strong shit I get. Still sucks injecting 10ml though.

You think I could change guys at thr gym to drain blood out of them?

Me, I feel pretty good about it. I see people donating blood, like really unhealthy, and it makes me wonder how well I’d do. If I’m bleeding out in the hospital by all means, get it in there and we’ll figure out the rest later. But I don’t think my blood is going to hurt anyone.

Thinking it through it's not that big of a deal with steriods. I'm still not going to lie to them but no way they'll just leave this shit up to you. All the junkies I know in America moved on to selling thir plasma long ago.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Yeah I dont know if eq is the right call unless you want to pay to get your blood drained or go through a doctor. Unless you have something to create negative pressure your veins aren't able to drain enough blood by themselves. Im thinking about just upping my test dose for my next cycle maybe chuck in some var for the last 6-8 weeks. Not sure

Interesting, thanks for the info bro. I'm really pretty keen on EQ otherwise, and I used to be a junkie so I could pull the blood myself if I really had to but I've not heard of this related to EQ specifically.

My cousin works at the main bloodbank in Wellington and I'm going to ask her about other options. They would probably just let you go in and take your blood anyway, I don't see why not. Or I might be able to get some of their gear perhaps, or copy their setup. Then setup shop round the back of the gym

I found an NZ place to get tbol but I don't want to say anything till it arrives and is good. About to order half the anavar cycle too, I'll post pics and links for you when it arrives. If you come across anything please let me know bro.

 

[toddthelineman]

You think I could change guys at thr gym to drain blood out of them?

I mean, I’d rather not go to the blood drive. It’s always pretty inconvenient.

I'm still not going to lie to them but no way they'll just leave this shit up to you.

They do a questionnaire and they run a test to make sure your rbc is high enough. AFAIK that’s it. They email me all the time wanting more blood, I figure I’ve saved a life or two by now. Or contributed anyway.

 

[trentwin1]

Interesting, thanks for the info bro. I'm really pretty keen on EQ otherwise, and I used to be a junkie so I could pull the blood myself if I really had to but I've not heard of this related to EQ specifically.

My cousin works at the main bloodbank in Wellington and I'm going to ask her about other options. They would probably just let you go in and take your blood anyway, I don't see why not. Or I might be able to get some of their gear perhaps, or copy their setup. Then setup shop round the back of the gym

I found an NZ place to get tbol but I don't want to say anything till it arrives and is good. About to order half the anavar cycle too, I'll post pics and links for you when it arrives. If you come across anything please let me know bro.

Haha aye man if you can do it youself why not hahaha

Yeah sweet as keep me updated ill let you know if I can find anything. Is the var youre getting from life forge?

 

[LevButlerov]

Are you allowed to donate blood on gear? Ill have to double check the rules in nz

Just dont tell them you're on gear

 

[LevButlerov]

Few pics of the arm and shoulders today

You're looking good lets grow!

 

[ballin2504]

No pump or anything. Happy with being able to maintain my abs with the decent amount of weight i put on. Arms still have a long way to go but happy so far.

@trentwin1 looking pretty good man. Keep after it

 

[ballin2504]

Hey Guys first log in a while. Cycle going really well. Still on 300mg/week, taking a bit to find a good amount of ai to have, Crashed my e2 a little at the start and found 0.25mg every third pin works well for me (pinning twice a week). Now on week 8 of my cycle. Been pretty dialed with eating and training. Still on the same split. Right now bodyweight is at 105 kg up 12 kg since start of cycle. Been tracking calories to stay at maintenance for a week or so want to lean out a bit as the cycle finishes.

Cals atm:
3800 cals
485g carbs
242g protein
107g fat

Training:
Same split with good strength increases, benched 150
Also chucked in 30 mins of cardio everyday either stairmaster or incline treadmill burning roughly 200 cals

Sleep has been real good to minimum 8 hours which is very nice

been sitting nicely at 105 pretty stable.

Been a bit stuck with what to do at the end of the cycle. I have nolva and clomid on hand a could do a pct, however I'm up in the air about this. What is everyone thoughts on doing a cruise and adding in HCG, maybe 400 IU's every three days or so? Also planning next cycle to be possibly eq and test? Roughly dosages I think would be like 500 test 300 eq a week? Even if I chose to do a cruise next cycle's minimum 15 weeks away so just early planning stages. However open to suggestions, mostly focusing on slow dry gains and I want to maintain fertility. Not planning on being natty anytime soon and I'm very happy with being on trt for life.

Going to make these logs more frequent. Also getting bloods very soon.

@trentwin1 can’t wait to see the bloods man. Kudos to you for getting them. A lot of people skip that most important part

 

[trentwin1]

Just found if you go through a doctor removal of blood is free otherwise $65.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Haha aye man if you can do it youself why not hahaha

Yeah sweet as keep me updated ill let you know if I can find anything. Is the var youre getting from life forge?

Nah man unfortunately I left it too late and he's out at the moment. I'll let you know when he gets back in stock though because he knows I'm looking and will tell me. This time it's from NZSarms, I bought Nolvadex from them a couple of months ago and it was all legit, it's Atomic Pharma brand.

No complaints about them, I'm sure it'll be sweet, those guys are just a little bit pricey and I'm on the dole

Just this last week they started selling Anavar, Anadrol, Superdrol and Dianabol, they previously only had SARMS.

They also take credit cards same as any business, don't need bitcoin.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Just found if you go through a doctor removal of blood is free otherwise $65.

Good information bro!! We need a way we can stash these bits of info about the NZ health system on the forum somewhere.

Did you know you can get free Cialis from the pharmacy? Don't even need to get a doctor script, the pharmacist can do it. It's a government program I found out about when I quit vaping and got free nicotine patches and gum, the pharmacist just writes the script for those too, six months worth.

Pretty sweet your girlfriend is a doctor bro

 

[trentwin1]

Good information bro!! We need a way we can stash these bits of info about the NZ health system on the forum somewhere.

Did you know you can get free Cialis from the pharmacy? Don't even need to get a doctor script, the pharmacist can do it. It's a government program I found out about when I quit vaping and got free nicotine patches and gum, the pharmacist just writes the script for those too, six months worth.

Pretty sweet your girlfriend is a doctor bro

Wait seriously? Do you just go to a pharmacy and ask or do you need to meet some requirements

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Wait seriously? Do you just go to a pharmacy and ask or do you need to meet some requirements

I'd assume you have to be male but atcually this is New Zealand were talking about. They basically just ask if you want Viagra or Cialis.

From the Pharmacists Guild site:

I'm on month 5 of patches now, but didn't really know anything about it before, I smoked & vaped for 25 years, one single sheet of this gum is $44 at the super market. Checkout my log entry where I show what they give me free every month.