Buyers Beware. Precautions and risks buying from UGLs.

[icecrxm]

Recently purchased from Napsgear. Test, and Primo, Ultima. Gear came in , clear as water which is a first in all the gear I’ve used but I considered some oils may look different, was strange nonetheless. Well I have a lot of experience with test , didn’t expect much from the primo , but to make it simple, what I received was terrible. Either was just oil in a vial or just composed of the most underdosed test I’ve ever experienced. And considering I go cold turkey as a reset after cycles and I do not PCT, I am quite familiar with how it feels to have low testosterone. I am also familiar with all the test I’ve used how it feels when my test levels are rising (increased body heat , muscle saturation , strong grip , high energy etc) , and I respond well fast (serum testosterone increases rapidly within 24hrs of Test E administration for example) so if you are experienced using test
#1. Don’t let anyone or the source you got it from tell you that you need 4-5 weeks for it to ‘kick in’. That’s as long as it takes to get noticeable gains and visual changes, not the same as the time it takes to work , which is within 24hrs of administration period. However if you are not experienced with test use , you probably won’t be in tune with your bodily changes to realize how you react when your test is rising within those couple weeks.
Anyway, I knew within a couple days it was garbage, but waited it out for 4-5 weeks with the same symptoms of low test , weak grip, fatigue , muscle flatness, low libido.
I contact napsgear, and let them know how unhappy I am with the product, and that I’m even willing to send that crap right back to them. They ask me for pictures and for the box the gear came in with the address which anyone would have thrown out by then. So
#2. Take pictures of the package the product comes in with mailing address visible. Take pictures of the product, auth codes, keep the invoice and any emails threads between you and the source. Take a picture of the day the gear arrived and save the tracking number.
Don’t be surprised if you don’t keep an email thread/clean out emails and they claim they don’t have the thread either.
To conclude this , Napsgear responded by asking about a test kit , but then promptly responded with a response saying they don’t accept test kits (when I didn’t even send one). So if you think a roidtest would work, not only do they not accept one , but even if it were accurate , it wouldn’t tell you if it was extremely underdosed anyway.
So be aware that if you do end up getting something low quality or crap, you lost your money. And they expect you to pay basically as much as the gear probably costed in the first place to get it quantitatively tested etc (hilarious).
Ive gotten good gear from the sponsors , but this time I didn’t. I don’t know if it was a bad batch but I will take this L from Napsgear.

PS: I tested 12mg Enclomiphene from Amino Asylum shortly after my 4-5th week of low test symptoms while using , and what do you know , muscle saturation , strong grip and high test symptoms reappear. Who would have thought?

 

[s.gentz]

Recently purchased from Napsgear. Test, and Primo, Ultima. Gear came in , clear as water which is a first in all the gear I’ve used but I considered some oils may look different, was strange nonetheless. Well I have a lot of experience with test , didn’t expect much from the primo , but to make it simple, what I received was terrible. Either was just oil in a vial or just composed of the most underdosed test I’ve ever experienced. And considering I go cold turkey as a reset after cycles and I do not PCT, I am quite familiar with how it feels to have low testosterone. I am also familiar with all the test I’ve used how it feels when my test levels are rising (increased body heat , muscle saturation , strong grip , high energy etc) , and I respond well fast (serum testosterone increases rapidly within 24hrs of Test E administration for example) so if you are experienced using test
#1. Don’t let anyone or the source you got it from tell you that you need 4-5 weeks for it to ‘kick in’. That’s as long as it takes to get noticeable gains and visual changes, not the same as the time it takes to work , which is within 24hrs of administration period. However if you are not experienced with test use , you probably won’t be in tune with your bodily changes to realize how you react when your test is rising within those couple weeks.
Anyway, I knew within a couple days it was garbage, but waited it out for 4-5 weeks with the same symptoms of low test , weak grip, fatigue , muscle flatness, low libido.
I contact napsgear, and let them know how unhappy I am with the product, and that I’m even willing to send that crap right back to them. They ask me for pictures and for the box the gear came in with the address which anyone would have thrown out by then. So
#2. Take pictures of the package the product comes in with mailing address visible. Take pictures of the product, auth codes, keep the invoice and any emails threads between you and the source. Take a picture of the day the gear arrived and save the tracking number.
Don’t be surprised if you don’t keep an email thread/clean out emails and they claim they don’t have the thread either.
To conclude this , Napsgear responded by asking about a test kit , but then promptly responded with a response saying they don’t accept test kits (when I didn’t even send one). So if you think a roidtest would work, not only do they not accept one , but even if it were accurate , it wouldn’t tell you if it was extremely underdosed anyway.
So be aware that if you do end up getting something low quality or crap, you lost your money. And they expect you to pay basically as much as the gear probably costed in the first place to get it quantitatively tested etc (hilarious).
Ive gotten good gear from the sponsors , but this time I didn’t. I don’t know if it was a bad batch but I will take this L from Napsgear.

PS: I tested 12mg Enclomiphene from Amino Asylum shortly after my 4-5th week of low test symptoms while using , and what do you know , muscle saturation , strong grip and high test symptoms reappear. Who would have thought?
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Did you get blood tests to show what your levels are? Home tests and “feeling” aren’t gonna cut it. Do you really think they would give you a refund based off how you feel? If you want to complain have some evidence of what your complaining about.
I have had nothing but great experiences with naps and all of the other sponses supporting this forum.

 

[stevesmi]

home lab kits are less accurate then one of those at home pregnancy tests.

we’ve had the gear sent off and tested on here. This was by vets looking to find something wrong and they couldn’t find a thing.

If all you are going by is a lab kit or how you feel then that doesn’t prove a thing and they tell you in the message the truth about sending the gear to be tested professionally.

and you realize that people try and selective scam sources all the time. claiming they never got their pack, claiming the gear is fake, claiming they sent the money when they never did etc. they aren't just gonna take a persons word for it when they say they are unhappy with their gear or whatever.

also our bodies are constantly changing, and its normal to have subpar cycles or whatnot. you can run the same batch of gear and get completely different results.

napsgear has many brands to choose from, i've used their ultima many times and have nothing but good things to say about them. but not every cycle has gone well for me over the years. it happens and our bodies are complex mechanisms. you could have 2 cycles where you run the same gear and have A results and have D results the next time. its normal otherwise we all would be 500 pounds of pure muscle and be benching 1200 pounds by now.

 

[Mobster]

Vs 100's of posts who say differently. And you more or less refused to get it tested in any way

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Recently purchased from Napsgear. Test, and Primo, Ultima. Gear came in , clear as water which is a first in all the gear I’ve used but I considered some oils may look different, was strange nonetheless. Well I have a lot of experience with test , didn’t expect much from the primo , but to make it simple, what I received was terrible. Either was just oil in a vial or just composed of the most underdosed test I’ve ever experienced. And considering I go cold turkey as a reset after cycles and I do not PCT, I am quite familiar with how it feels to have low testosterone. I am also familiar with all the test I’ve used how it feels when my test levels are rising (increased body heat , muscle saturation , strong grip , high energy etc) , and I respond well fast (serum testosterone increases rapidly within 24hrs of Test E administration for example) so if you are experienced using test
#1. Don’t let anyone or the source you got it from tell you that you need 4-5 weeks for it to ‘kick in’. That’s as long as it takes to get noticeable gains and visual changes, not the same as the time it takes to work , which is within 24hrs of administration period. However if you are not experienced with test use , you probably won’t be in tune with your bodily changes to realize how you react when your test is rising within those couple weeks.
Anyway, I knew within a couple days it was garbage, but waited it out for 4-5 weeks with the same symptoms of low test , weak grip, fatigue , muscle flatness, low libido.
I contact napsgear, and let them know how unhappy I am with the product, and that I’m even willing to send that crap right back to them. They ask me for pictures and for the box the gear came in with the address which anyone would have thrown out by then. So
#2. Take pictures of the package the product comes in with mailing address visible. Take pictures of the product, auth codes, keep the invoice and any emails threads between you and the source. Take a picture of the day the gear arrived and save the tracking number.
Don’t be surprised if you don’t keep an email thread/clean out emails and they claim they don’t have the thread either.
To conclude this , Napsgear responded by asking about a test kit , but then promptly responded with a response saying they don’t accept test kits (when I didn’t even send one). So if you think a roidtest would work, not only do they not accept one , but even if it were accurate , it wouldn’t tell you if it was extremely underdosed anyway.
So be aware that if you do end up getting something low quality or crap, you lost your money. And they expect you to pay basically as much as the gear probably costed in the first place to get it quantitatively tested etc (hilarious).
Ive gotten good gear from the sponsors , but this time I didn’t. I don’t know if it was a bad batch but I will take this L from Napsgear.

PS: I tested 12mg Enclomiphene from Amino Asylum shortly after my 4-5th week of low test symptoms while using , and what do you know , muscle saturation , strong grip and high test symptoms reappear. Who would have thought?
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@icecrxm to start off I would say that you know well that Napsgear.org doesn't make the gear, they sell existing popular labs that are in the industry.

could you have had sides that you didn't like 100% possible, but forget the kits forget the tests, did you do bloodwork? thats the best way to go.

truth be told Napsgear has a ton of love and I use them and support them but no doubt some guys could have negative sides, but so far you have no pictures of the gear posted, why?
can you share those at least?

and I followed your original log btw and now you tell us you DONT PCT? i think maybe there are way more to this store than you're telling us

not sharing the gear pics of bloods makes me very unhappy with your claim

Recently purchased from Napsgear. Test, and Primo, Ultima. Gear came in , clear as water which is a first in all the gear I’ve used but I considered some oils may look different, was strange nonetheless. Well I have a lot of experience with test , didn’t expect much from the primo , but to make it simple, what I received was terrible. Either was just oil in a vial or just composed of the most underdosed test I’ve ever experienced. And considering I go cold turkey as a reset after cycles and I do not PCT, I am quite familiar with how it feels to have low testosterone. I am also familiar with all the test I’ve used how it feels when my test levels are rising (increased body heat , muscle saturation , strong grip , high energy etc) , and I respond well fast (serum testosterone increases rapidly within 24hrs of Test E administration for example) so if you are experienced using test

 

[ceo]

bros try another brand and see if you like it better

 

[ROIDDERS]

Thousands of people have used Ultima and you are the first one to complain

 

[chesty]

Ultima test is on point. here they know how to make it smooth as butter that's an advantage not a disadvantage

 

[Ulter]

yeah napsgear doesn't make the gear man, they re-seller

 

[StevenDarwinMD]

APPROVED - NAPSGEAR

 

[e2]

get blood work done and then let us know I bet you everything will come in perfect

 

[2Thick]

of course it takes test E a while to kickin, you don't turn into jay cutler in 1 day

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

here there are a lot of factors when it comes to making gains maybe you're not sleeping good enough

 

[Wootoom]

get a log going, maybe your diet isn't up to par

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro you all over the place. you saying napsgear no good? then send me the gear i will gladly take it off your hands.
napsgear is where real men get their gear

 

[icecrxm]

Did you get blood tests to show what your levels are? Home tests and “feeling” aren’t gonna cut it. Do you really think they would give you a refund based off how you feel? If you want to complain have some evidence of what your complaining about.
I have had nothing but great experiences with naps and all of the other sponses supporting this forum.

No it will cut it, nice try. And nice deflection. If you can read it said clearly that I would send the test back. Refund? More like replace the garbage I was given , anecdotal experiences from regulars of this forum is not some godly trustworthy text.

 

[icecrxm]

Vs 100's of posts who say differently. And you more or less refused to get it tested in any way

Lol Yeah supporters of evo making all good posts regarding sponsors? Vs 1000s more outside of evo that say differently? And more than even the members of this site? I didn’t refuse shit, I was just told they don’t accept ‘roidtest’ and want me to get the gear professionally lab tested. It’s hilarious you say that like most UGLs aren't notoriously untrusted.

Thousands of people have used Ultima and you are the first one to complain

Like what kind of shill , nonsense is this? Sure you definitely know every human on earth’s experience with Ultima on the internet , random forum guy. This is that shit that makes the majority outside of these forums say you guys are paid off by sponsors in the first place. Blind meat riding statements like these based on zero fact or objectively not trying to help people who have a bad experience. The reality is that you guys are banking off of the fact that most people that have a bad experience from a source , do not come all the way to the forums to post about it.
Most people are opposed to conflict , and will avoid it , and move on , not only that, who says most customers that use these sponsors are even from this site at all? So the rare chance you have someone actually mad enough to create an entire account and post on the forums, the whole circle jerk , praise the sponsor and claim everyone has a good experience tactic is garbage, and frankly irrelevant. Now when I post bloodwork what’s the next tactic , blame my fucking diet for low testosterone? ‘not enough eGGS’? And sleep right ? LMAOOOOO. cute , and then spam ‘LOG’ like parrots? So if someone has good experiences with what they get , and then one they have problems with , you guys get mad that they didn’t keep it tucked away from public view in a private email thread right? Hilarious.

 

[Mobster]

You have to admit that
1) Not everyone will agree with you
2) NapsGear sell at least 2 dozen brands but you're blaming NapsGear
3) And are ignoring the 10000 or more satisfied customers.

I'm the first to admit you do not have to be 100% happy. I sent a bitching email to a parcel carrier just this morning (driver is bloody useless).

And look at the topic title. It doesn't exactly scream 'one bad experience' then accuse us who like the product of being shills. Ironic

 

[icecrxm]

@icecrxm to start off I would say that you know well that Napsgear.org doesn't make the gear, they sell existing popular labs that are in the industry.

could you have had sides that you didn't like 100% possible, but forget the kits forget the tests, did you do bloodwork? thats the best way to go.

truth be told Napsgear has a ton of love and I use them and support them but no doubt some guys could have negative sides, but so far you have no pictures of the gear posted, why?
can you share those at least?

and I followed your original log btw and now you tell us you DONT PCT? i think maybe there are way more to this store than you're telling us

not sharing the gear pics of bloods makes me very unhappy with your claim

Not

You have to admit that
1) Not everyone will agree with you
2) NapsGear sell at least 2 dozen brands but you're blaming NapsGear
3) And are ignoring the 10000 or more satisfied customers.

I'm the first to admit you do not have to be 100% happy. I sent a bitching email to a parcel carrier just this morning (driver is bloody useless).

And look at the topic title. It doesn't exactly scream 'one bad experience' then accuse us who like the product of being shills. Ironic

1) on this site because this is you guys safe space for your sponsors
2) blaming napsgear for their poor handling of the situation, when they can give an address and I can send that shit right back to Ultima or whatever ‘warehouse’ and they can inspect their gear and see what happened. I’d have been happy if Ultima checked it out themselves and sent an apology if something was wrong with the batch , at that point fuck the refund , I just expected some accountability.
3) and if I say there’s 100k more unhappy you’re just going to keep inflating to 1M happy at this point , this numbers out of thin air mess I’m over it.

and the title was meant for anyone who has had a bad experience to take pointers off of what I learned from this experience, and shilling is meant to promote something mainly to put it in a favorable light , generally for profit so there is no irony there.

 

[icecrxm]

@icecrxm to start off I would say that you know well that Napsgear.org doesn't make the gear, they sell existing popular labs that are in the industry.

could you have had sides that you didn't like 100% possible, but forget the kits forget the tests, did you do bloodwork? thats the best way to go.

truth be told Napsgear has a ton of love and I use them and support them but no doubt some guys could have negative sides, but so far you have no pictures of the gear posted, why?
can you share those at least?

and I followed your original log btw and now you tell us you DONT PCT? i think maybe there are way more to this store than you're telling us

not sharing the gear pics of bloods makes me very unhappy with your claim

Not everyone PCTs.** And many Olympia competitors let themselves fully reset naturally, I would wager most people period dont PCT in general because they don’t want to pay for it. While I have PCT’d in the past , I generally can regain my natural test after long enough naturally cold turkey, because I haven’t used harsh compounds like tren , halo, superdrol etc. If I try Trestolone or UltraDrol (MSTEN) then most definitely I will PCT. But I have not yet.

 

[s.gentz]

No it will cut it, nice try. And nice deflection. If you can read it said clearly that I would send the test back. Refund? More like replace the garbage I was given , anecdotal experiences from regulars of this forum is not some godly trustworthy text.

Sorry. No blood work. No third party testing.
Why should they accommodate you?
Get the gear tested by a lab or get some bloods done.
I’ve had issues with orders in the past and naps has gone out of the way to help me out.

 

[s.gentz]

You have to admit that
1) Not everyone will agree with you
2) NapsGear sell at least 2 dozen brands but you're blaming NapsGear
3) And are ignoring the 10000 or more satisfied customers.

I'm the first to admit you do not have to be 100% happy. I sent a bitching email to a parcel carrier just this morning (driver is bloody useless).

And look at the topic title. It doesn't exactly scream 'one bad experience' then accuse us who like the product of being shills. Ironic

This is almost as bad as the “l have no respect for primobolan” thread on EF.

 

[icecrxm]

Sorry. No blood work. No third party testing.
Why should they accommodate you?
Get the gear tested by a lab or get some bloods done.
I’ve had issues with orders in the past and naps has gone out of the way to help me out.

Getting your shit sent back is not an accommodation, nice deflection. Note that they stated they only accept gear being lab tested , nothing about bloodwork. I will get bloodwork done anyway even if they don’t accept it , and I’m in touch right now with a company to get labs on this test , and I won’t reveal the company name until the labs are complete obviously. And it’s not Jano or MZ

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Not


1) on this site because this is you guys safe space for your sponsors
2) blaming napsgear for their poor handling of the situation, when they can give an address and I can send that shit right back to Ultima or whatever ‘warehouse’ and they can inspect their gear and see what happened. I’d have been happy if Ultima checked it out themselves and sent an apology if something was wrong with the batch , at that point fuck the refund , I just expected some accountability.
3) and if I say there’s 100k more unhappy you’re just going to keep inflating to 1M happy at this point , this numbers out of thin air mess I’m over it.

and the title was meant for anyone who has had a bad experience to take pointers off of what I learned from this experience, and shilling is meant to promote something mainly to put it in a favorable light , generally for profit so there is no irony there.

@icecrxm I do understand you, but I dont agree with you bro, and it's very negative to say words like shilling.
I don't think you're lying or making things up, but calling guys shills and saying 100,000 unhappy customers come no bro seriously, it's like an insult to the whole EVO family to say we shilling. Do we support napsgear openly? I sure do and so do many on the team. I'm not hiding it.

But if one of the brands napsgear carries (not makes) gave you issue, like Ultimate I get that and I'm sorry. But expecting napsgear to check every warehouse you're talking like this is amazon bro. Come on its steroids so there is a lot of safety issues at play right.

Look, you weren't banned you werent suspended, we let you say what you felt was your view and we support you. No matter if we agree or disagree with you, you're still in the EVO family and our brother in iron.

I want apologize that you had to go through this because I would hate for this to happen to anyone. But honestly, straight up bro, why didn't you do blood work? it would really help the situation.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Not everyone PCTs.** And many Olympia competitors let themselves fully reset naturally, I would wager most people period dont PCT in general because they don’t want to pay for it. While I have PCT’d in the past , I generally can regain my natural test after long enough naturally cold turkey, because I haven’t used harsh compounds like tren , halo, superdrol etc. If I try Trestolone or UltraDrol (MSTEN) then most definitely I will PCT. But I have not yet.

@icecrxm this is 10000000% false, ALL Mr. Olympia guys are on TRT 100% of them! And if you don't PCT you mess up your HPTA for LIFE its serious stuff. Do guys not PCT? sure some newbs dont but smart ones always pct.

and I don't get what this picture is, do you have clear pictures? I see nothing from what you showed me.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Getting your shit sent back is not an accommodation, nice deflection. Note that they stated they only accept gear being lab tested , nothing about bloodwork. I will get bloodwork done anyway even if they don’t accept it , and I’m in touch right now with a company to get labs on this test , and I won’t reveal the company name until the labs are complete obviously. And it’s not Jano or MZ

@icecrxm I dont understand you bro, what do you mean "I wont reveal company name", is it some kind of classified secret? come on bro lets be more positive in the EVO family here. You're acting like its a conspiracy of a source to send you bad testosterone, why would they even need these issues, think about it. You're really overplaying it.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Lol Yeah supporters of evo making all good posts regarding sponsors? Vs 1000s more outside of evo that say differently? And more than even the members of this site? I didn’t refuse shit, I was just told they don’t accept ‘roidtest’ and want me to get the gear professionally lab tested. It’s hilarious you say that like most UGLs aren't notoriously untrusted.

Like what kind of shill , nonsense is this? Sure you definitely know every human on earth’s experience with Ultima on the internet , random forum guy. This is that shit that makes the majority outside of these forums say you guys are paid off by sponsors in the first place. Blind meat riding statements like these based on zero fact or objectively not trying to help people who have a bad experience. The reality is that you guys are banking off of the fact that most people that have a bad experience from a source , do not come all the way to the forums to post about it.
Most people are opposed to conflict , and will avoid it , and move on , not only that, who says most customers that use these sponsors are even from this site at all? So the rare chance you have someone actually mad enough to create an entire account and post on the forums, the whole circle jerk , praise the sponsor and claim everyone has a good experience tactic is garbage, and frankly irrelevant. Now when I post bloodwork what’s the next tactic , blame my fucking diet for low testosterone? ‘not enough eGGS’? And sleep right ? LMAOOOOO. cute , and then spam ‘LOG’ like parrots? So if someone has good experiences with what they get , and then one they have problems with , you guys get mad that they didn’t keep it tucked away from public view in a private email thread right? Hilarious.

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@icecrxm well to be fair I don't see much wrong with the pics you showed.
Also I think Ultima pharma is pushed by Osgear.se big time not Napsgear, naps just resells this 100% fact I believe.

But I would like to see your bloods, do you have them?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Did you get blood tests to show what your levels are? Home tests and “feeling” aren’t gonna cut it. Do you really think they would give you a refund based off how you feel? If you want to complain have some evidence of what your complaining about.
I have had nothing but great experiences with naps and all of the other sponses supporting this forum.

@s.gentz I agree we need some bloods at least to see.

 

[Noah Wixx]

I can't say anything about napsgear in a bad way because I haven't had the chance to use them yet with a cycle.

What I can say is every source on here I've seen first hand them go above and beyond to fix issues with orders or gear for customers.

It's hard to blame a reseller when they don't make the product or the gear in question, they carry it and resell it.

Companies do what they can to ensure the gear is good, u can't see or catch everything, sometimes bad things happen unfortunately.

Speaking from my own experience utilizing sources on evo, I had a source go out of its way and replace my mistake, you rarely see a company replace a mistake u made with a gear order, yet they did that and went above and beyond and got it out to me fast so I can contiune my cycle and be successful.

I don't blame naps for trying to make sure they are covered, tons of people out here do try and scam reseller's unfortunately.

I'm sorry you had a bad experience brother, no company is perfect and it does happen, I know for a fact they try and limit how much that happens, I've seen more good then negative when it comes to napsgear.

 

[icecrxm]

@icecrxm this is 10000000% false, ALL Mr. Olympia guys are on TRT 100% of them! And if you don't PCT you mess up your HPTA for LIFE its serious stuff. Do guys not PCT? sure some newbs dont but smart ones always pct.

and I don't get what this picture is, do you have clear pictures? I see nothing from what you showed me.

TRT is not PCT’ng!! that’s literally the opposite. That’s staying on year round. So you must not have realized your mistake when you wrote that out. PCT is when you are taking Nolvadex Clomid HCG etc trying to bring your natural levels back. But Mr Olympia competitors also abuse the most harsh compounds out there so of course they are stuck on TRT after. However many who don’t use harsh compounds and stick to things like test , anavar , primo , after cycles do not pct and let their body reset naturally between cycles. If you don’t believe in that, that is fine , but if you are doing multiple cycles per year I don’t see how PCT between every single one would benefit you at all.

Also, there were many pictures , very clear, can you not see the gear?? The batch number and auth codes?? The different angles to see how clear the oil is?? The gear in the box it came in from Ultima? With a timestamp? Must not have loaded for you.

 

[icecrxm]

@icecrxm I dont understand you bro, what do you mean "I wont reveal company name", is it some kind of classified secret? come on bro lets be more positive in the EVO family here. You're acting like its a conspiracy of a source to send you bad testosterone, why would they even need these issues, think about it. You're really overplaying it.

And what do I mean? It’s clear what I mean , I mean what I said. If I think the gear is trash and I say I’m getting it tested, why would I reveal who it’s getting tested by beforehand , if there’s any possibility the company could be contacted and asked to give fake results? First of all I don’t know you , so don’t tell me how to react to what I received , if I’m unhappy with my purchase and want to get to the bottom of it , let it be.

@icecrxm well to be fair I don't see much wrong with the pics you showed.
Also I think Ultima pharma is pushed by Osgear.se big time not Napsgear, naps just resells this 100% fact I believe.

But I would like to see your bloods, do you have them?

I also clearly stated that I would be getting bloods done even though naps doesn’t accept them as proof which is ridiculous. I have to let the enclomiphene I’m on leave my system, so that the blood test is completely accurate and shows what numbers I’m getting on 500MG of that Test a week. If I’m wrong I have no problem admitting that after the bloods, but if I’m not , either way I can see you blaming it on a multitude of reasons besides the gear , which is why I have to also get the gear tested. Make sense?

 

[icecrxm]

I can't say anything about napsgear in a bad way because I haven't had the chance to use them yet with a cycle.

What I can say is every source on here I've seen first hand them go above and beyond to fix issues with orders or gear for customers.

It's hard to blame a reseller when they don't make the product or the gear in question, they carry it and resell it.

Companies do what they can to ensure the gear is good, u can't see or catch everything, sometimes bad things happen unfortunately.

Speaking from my own experience utilizing sources on evo, I had a source go out of its way and replace my mistake, you rarely see a company replace a mistake u made with a gear order, yet they did that and went above and beyond and got it out to me fast so I can contiune my cycle and be successful.

I don't blame naps for trying to make sure they are covered, tons of people out here do try and scam reseller's unfortunately.

I'm sorry you had a bad experience brother, no company is perfect and it does happen, I know for a fact they try and limit how much that happens, I've seen more good then negative when it comes to napsgear.

Appreciate your input. While I can’t necessarily blame naps , I think the hoops you have to go through when you’ve never asked for a refund especially , to prove what you got isn’t great is just ridiculous because then, you feel like , shit can I even buy from here again? Will I get something else that is the same as what I just got? Etc

 

[s.gentz]

@s.gentz I agree we need some bloods at least to see.

100%
I’ll give you a quick story about naps.
Last November I ordered a bunch of dhb and some other things for my cycle. Gear shows up 4-5 weeks later as always. Put it all in my cuppirs as usual. I start the cycle. I’m now a couple viles in and I see that two of the viles had crashed. I tried to boil multiple time but it wouldn’t come back.
I sent a note to @jasonhill800 and opened a ticket.
Day or so goes by and they respond. I was asked to send pics which I did. Another day goes by and I get a note that they are sending two new vials. This in my mind is where Napsgears obligation ends. Problem solved. Well about a month and a half go by and the items had not cleared customs. Another week or so after that I get a letter that it had been seized. This is now my problem in my eyes.
I send an email to Mike from naps and let him know. In that email I told him what happened and that I wasn’t expecting anything it was just an fyi so they know something was seized. Next day I get an email from Mike G and he gives me a couple options even though Napa had fulfillies their obligation to me. Either they would reship. Refund me or give me store credit. I took the store credit of course as after all of their help they should be getting more buisiness from me.
The point is that I had a complaint and sent them actual backup. They took care of it and then I had another issue that had nothing to do with them yet they once again took care of me. They are a solid company and it sucks the OP feels he is having issues but he also offer no tangible proof that something is wrong besides a “feeling”. I’m not saying he is wrong but I am saying you can’t go to them with 0 evidence and expect them to accommodate you.
I feel like he is quick to slam naps but is not giving this issue time to resolve. I would also ask if the OP contacted @jasonhill800 at any point for help before posting this?

 

[Mobster]

The feeling thing is a point. With one exception (Tren) I don't feel 'on'.

 

[stevesmi]

napsgear is a re-seller. they have many brands

my advice is if you aren't happy with a brand for whatever reason you try another one

some people love certain brands and some don't. some brands give people PIP and some don't. some brands ship quicker or domestic, etc. many different options.

i personally am a fan of Ultima. the gear is smooth which is important to me, i love their prices and they ship fast which i like. however geneza pharma is the #1 option from napsgear. that would be always my first choice

returning the gear is not what any source will allow. that is a huge risk for both you and them. plus again its not napsgear.

 

[ballin2504]

get blood work done and then let us know I bet you everything will come in perfect

I’d put money on it

 

[icecrxm]

100%
I’ll give you a quick story about naps.
Last November I ordered a bunch of dhb and some other things for my cycle. Gear shows up 4-5 weeks later as always. Put it all in my cuppirs as usual. I start the cycle. I’m now a couple viles in and I see that two of the viles had crashed. I tried to boil multiple time but it wouldn’t come back.
I sent a note to @jasonhill800 and opened a ticket.
Day or so goes by and they respond. I was asked to send pics which I did. Another day goes by and I get a note that they are sending two new vials. This in my mind is where Napsgears obligation ends. Problem solved. Well about a month and a half go by and the items had not cleared customs. Another week or so after that I get a letter that it had been seized. This is now my problem in my eyes.
I send an email to Mike from naps and let him know. In that email I told him what happened and that I wasn’t expecting anything it was just an fyi so they know something was seized. Next day I get an email from Mike G and he gives me a couple options even though Napa had fulfillies their obligation to me. Either they would reship. Refund me or give me store credit. I took the store credit of course as after all of their help they should be getting more buisiness from me.
The point is that I had a complaint and sent them actual backup. They took care of it and then I had another issue that had nothing to do with them yet they once again took care of me. They are a solid company and it sucks the OP feels he is having issues but he also offer no tangible proof that something is wrong besides a “feeling”. I’m not saying he is wrong but I am saying you can’t go to them with 0 evidence and expect them to accommodate you.
I feel like he is quick to slam naps but is not giving this issue time to resolve. I would also ask if the OP contacted @jasonhill800 at any point for help before posting this?

Your situation was entirely different and not comparable. That is great that they accommodated you in that circumstance, but all you had to do was send a picture of what you had. Btw were you asked for a picture of the box and mailing address on the box it came in? Because I was , and who honestly does this unless they’ve been through this already with them?
Also contact ‘Jason hill’ is a link in the chain that you personally know, most people who shop on that site are not going to know a personal individual to go to when this happens, they’re going to go through the typical ticket process like everyone else. I did this and met that conclusion, told to send my stuff off to a lab and pay for it to get it tested. If you think most people would be happy with this conclusion you’re too biased towards the company. Now like Stevesmi said , it is a risk to send the gear back , and I can agree with that 100% however they could have told me they don’t want to take that risk and communicated this better. And if you’ve taken plenty cycles with an individual component like testosterone, if you’re saying you don’t know how your body responds to these things , that sounds like intellectual dishonesty, especially if you’ve taken low to high dose and the response is always the same. If I take 100mg a week to 600mg a week, my body reacts the same way when my test is increasing, while the results may be different , the reaction is the same. Trying to discredit basically everyone who has had years worth of cycles knowing their body is just some plausible deniability approach. Now if my test comes back high, but my binding affinity is low ill 100% take the blame (even though that’s why I ordered the primo and take 3 Grams L-Carnitine in the first place) , but if my test is low , are you going to actually help me and back me up or are you going to continue to blame me and talk about your personal experiences?

 

[s.gentz]

Your situation was entirely different and not comparable. That is great that they accommodated you in that circumstance, but all you had to do was send a picture of what you had. Btw were you asked for a picture of the box and mailing address on the box it came in? Because I was , and who honestly does this unless they’ve been through this already with them?
Also contact ‘Jason hill’ is a link in the chain that you personally know, most people who shop on that site are not going to know a personal individual to go to when this happens, they’re going to go through the typical ticket process like everyone else. I did this and met that conclusion, told to send my stuff off to a lab and pay for it to get it tested. If you think most people would be happy with this conclusion you’re too biased towards the company. Now like Stevesmi said , it is a risk to send the gear back , and I can agree with that 100% however they could have told me they don’t want to take that risk and communicated this better. And if you’ve taken plenty cycles with an individual component like testosterone, if you’re saying you don’t know how your body responds to these things , that sounds like intellectual dishonesty, especially if you’ve taken low to high dose and the response is always the same. If I take 100mg a week to 600mg a week, my body reacts the same way when my test is increasing, while the results may be different , the reaction is the same. Trying to discredit basically everyone who has had years worth of cycles knowing their body is just some plausible deniability approach. Now if my test comes back high, but my binding affinity is low ill 100% take the blame (even though that’s why I ordered the primo and take 3 Grams L-Carnitine in the first place) , but if my test is low , are you going to actually help me and back me up or are you going to continue to blame me and talk about your personal experiences?

I’m in no way trying to discredit your experience. I’m just sharing my experiences and thoughts.
@jasonhill800 is a rep on this site. He’s not a personal friend or inside contact. He is available to anyone using this forum.
I hope you get resolve your issue. My whole point is that the burden of proof falls on you. I’ve used ultima products a few times and had zero issues as I’m sure most on here have had positive experience. Please share your bloods when you get them. I assume you are still taking the product?

 

[RoySimpson]

I have never had any issues with them personally but sometimes unpredictable shit happens. Hoping you find a resolution!

 

[jasonhill800]

@icecrxm , apologize for your inconvenience brother.

Please send me your order number and ticket number via pm, I'll check with my team.

 

[25homes]

Hey bloods pure sent out to a lab bro

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

Napsgear is a trusted source bro....their reps are available to help you out the best way possible....would suggest you to talk to them and sort this out and going forward try using other brands as this a fact that some brand stuff doesn't work for some people.......