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[the_waco_kid]

I don't know this for a fact, but I suspect all pro heavy weight bb's stay on all year more than trt. I'd agree with Steve here. 500 mg min + GH. Probably more than that. Again this is my opinion but c'mon look at those freak shows. You don't get that big 'cycling'.

 

[ledhead]

I used to train with Edgar Fletcher sometimes back in the 1990s. He took so much HGH that he literally went to Burger King twice a day because he needed the calories. Um, another misconception about pros/national competitors is that they eat clean. No, they are on so much Growth and Lasix that they cheat quite often. I also talked to Newman at great length and he was assertive about AAS use. He said, "take everything and anything you can get your hands on." They never come off.

 

[fantsy5]

I'll tell you when I felt unhealthy when I added orals winni halotestin exc! Combined with a low calorie diet and not sleeping well because of the hunger and raised metabolism this is at about 6 weeks out my doses are not of a ifbb. And I come off after every long cycle!

I want to chime in with the same question concerning serm's-the side effects are less with these type of PED correct?
When I was on AAS. I did have weird heart beats towards the end of a 12 wk cycle, so I stopped a few days early before the actual EOC..

 

[musclefreak954]

You can be on test for a life time as long as you get blood wrk atleast every 6mos, cycling is what causes problems bc it sends your body into a roller coaster of ups and dwns of hormonal balance s, now what does need cycling is tren-which is horrible, winny,dbol, deca, mast, . As long as you have stable lab values and your eating a healthy diet limit alcohol you should be fine been on test for over 10yrs now . And have a clean bill of health . Stats 5'11 250lbs. 10%bf .. blood wrk is a must. Remember looking good on the outside doesn't mean your good on the inside

 

[maxwell0612]

You can be on test for a life time as long as you get blood wrk atleast every 6mos, cycling is what causes problems bc it sends your body into a roller coaster of ups and dwns of hormonal balance s, now what does need cycling is tren-which is horrible, winny,dbol, deca, mast, . As long as you have stable lab values and your eating a healthy diet limit alcohol you should be fine been on test for over 10yrs now . And have a clean bill of health . Stats 5'11 250lbs. 10%bf .. blood wrk is a must. Remember looking good on the outside doesn't mean your good on the inside

Yes, trt, which is what you are talking about. Where test levels are maintained in the normal range is very healthy and I t kink most older men should be on trt. But trt is totally different than stacking compounds and upping up test above the normal range. That is what is not healthy. Trt is a great thing, abusing aas not so much.

 

[maxwell0612]

I want to chime in with the same question concerning serm's-the side effects are less with these type of PED correct?
When I was on AAS. I did have weird heart beats towards the end of a 12 wk cycle, so I stopped a few days early before the actual EOC..

I, personally, would feel more comfortable using aas than sarms, or peptides, or anything else that has recently come around. No one has any idea of the long term consequences of this stuff because it's so new. At least with aas you know what you are getting yourself into.

 

[musclefreak954]

You can still cycle deca, mast, Winn,,etc and stay on test for life and still b ok. As long as u get labs done and deff cycle other AAS, example to use test n deca and mast for 6 mos then just go to test for 3 mos.

 

[maxwell0612]

You can still cycle deca, mast, Winn,,etc and stay on test for life and still b ok. As long as u get labs done and deff cycle other AAS, example to use test n deca and mast for 6 mos then just go to test for 3 mos.

Agai, I don't want to offend you but come on, this is bullshit. Your saying taking things like winny, masteron, deca et for 6 months out of the year and there is no potential health issue that will eventually hapoen? You so kidding yourself and ignoring the fact that bbs from the 90s are starting to drop dead. What you are suggesting, six months at a time, is dangerous and could be dadly. But, it's your body and you have the right to do with it as you please. I just don't want a 20 year old reading this and deciding it's a good idea.

 

[Casca]

Agai, I don't want to offend you but come on, this is bullshit. Your saying taking things like winny, masteron, deca et for 6 months out of the year and there is no potential health issue that will eventually hapoen? You so kidding yourself and ignoring the fact that bbs from the 90s are starting to drop dead. What you are suggesting, six months at a time, is dangerous and could be dadly. But, it's your body and you have the right to do with it as you please. I just don't want a 20 year old reading this and deciding it's a good idea.

I understand this was not directed n my direction, but these kids r reckless with everything they do these days. Damage control, yes, point taken.

Certainly appreciate ur view though, thx.

 

[RickRock]

Anytime you run a higher than normal dose you run risks obviously. The longer you run those higher doses, the higher the doses, and the less time at a cruise (normal) level, increases that risk substantially. There is a much safer way to cycle these compounds, but unfortunately a lot of people these days like to push the envelope in all of those areas

 

[musclefreak954]

First off to respond to Maxwell, yes you can b on test for life and cycle other AAS with it for a period of 12 to 16 weeks, now higher toxic aas such as tren , Winn are horrible for you to do, those deff need to b cycled at a maximum of 12 weeks on then not reuse for the rest of the year and stick with test only and an anti estrogen.. Also AAS do not kill bodybuilders back in the 80 90 that have past also used recreational drugs too and had preexisting heart condition s .. THATS why u must b getting your labs done and to the 20something s out there they really dont need to b messing with AAS until they have been naturally bodybuilding for 3-4 years have the $$ to eat right and be educated on AAS and the seriousness of what they are getting involved with. I have been on test and deca for for years . Deca is not bad it is used to treat cancer patients,hiv patients, car accident patients,, now with that said it not abuse doing test and deca and getting you labs done and being educated on dosing, test deca mast do not kill you, now tren Winn dbol they are harsh and with abuse yes can cause you problems. Again that's why you need to b under a DR Care that can monitor your labs and health. Again running insulin is very dangerous and your pros take that risk . It s up to each individual to become educated and informed on what they are putting into there body. So there are so many avenues to say well did aas kill some bodybuilders or did they have preexisting conditions and with heavy heavy use it had an impact.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ yes bro but lets be honest with ourselves.. to be a pro bodybuilder you aren't gonna cycle AAS for 12-16 weeks .. those guys stay on grams of gear year round. there is no stopping it... you aren't gonna run a TRT dose of test year round and blast for 12-16 weeks and accomplish jack shit. you can't be 5' 10" and 285 pounds at 8% body fat off season without being on grams of gear + insulin + GH for many months of the year... its just not possible!!

Samir Bannout won the Mr. Olympia and he was UNDER 200 pounds!! today these guys are almost 100 pounds bigger at the same body fat!! yes its the drugs.. maybe they are slightly superior in genetics today and have better nutrition, coaches, and have better workouts yes.. but its MOSTLY because of the drugs today

I really don't care if someone wants to kill themselves early to be big.. however its selfish if you have a family and your kids have to look at you in an extra wide casket before they even get to high school or college. and even if you don't have a family GH is freaking expensive.. that's a lot of money down the drain.. money that you could of used to get an education or invest in a business.. that's the point I am trying to get across

 

[Casca]

^^^ yes bro but lets be honest with ourselves.. to be a pro bodybuilder you aren't gonna cycle AAS for 12-16 weeks .. those guys stay on grams of gear year round. there is no stopping it... you aren't gonna run a TRT dose of test year round and blast for 12-16 weeks and accomplish jack shit. you can't be 5' 10" and 285 pounds at 8% body fat off season without being on grams of gear + insulin + GH for many months of the year... its just not possible!!

Samir Bannout won the Mr. Olympia and he was UNDER 200 pounds!! today these guys are almost 100 pounds bigger at the same body fat!! yes its the drugs.. maybe they are slightly superior in genetics today and have better nutrition, coaches, and have better workouts yes.. but its MOSTLY because of the drugs today

Samir--1982, damn 32 yrs ago, it has changed completely inorder to be competitive in 2014 contest, let alone the O

 

[stevesmi]

pretty sure he would get laughed offstage today at the Mr. O.

compare that to this

Samir looks better to me, yet he is 80 some pounds less than Jay and Phil.

 

[maxwell0612]

First off to respond to Maxwell, yes you can b on test for life and cycle other AAS with it for a period of 12 to 16 weeks, now higher toxic aas such as tren , Winn are horrible for you to do, those deff need to b cycled at a maximum of 12 weeks on then not reuse for the rest of the year and stick with test only and an anti estrogen.. Also AAS do not kill bodybuilders back in the 80 90 that have past also used recreational drugs too and had preexisting heart condition s .. THATS why u must b getting your labs done and to the 20something s out there they really dont need to b messing with AAS until they have been naturally bodybuilding for 3-4 years have the $$ to eat right and be educated on AAS and the seriousness of what they are getting involved with. I have been on test and deca for for years . Deca is not bad it is used to treat cancer patients,hiv patients, car accident patients,, now with that said it not abuse doing test and deca and getting you labs done and being educated on dosing, test deca mast do not kill you, now tren Winn dbol they are harsh and with abuse yes can cause you problems. Again that's why you need to b under a DR Care that can monitor your labs and health. Again running insulin is very dangerous and your pros take that risk . It s up to each individual to become educated and informed on what they are putting into there body. So there are so many avenues to say well did aas kill some bodybuilders or did they have preexisting conditions and with heavy heavy use it had an impact.

You are being very nieve. All these bbs dying and having health problems like kidney failure all blame it on a genetic preexisting condition. And people like you belive this bs. Why aren't other athletes dropping like bbs? They don't have these genetic cond Itions? And recreational drug use is just a by product of bb. I started using Nuba in because it helps so much with pre contest prep but it also led to an opiate addiction. I know a woman who died of skin cancer, again related to bb because she was a red head and tanned like crazy precontest. Competitive bb is unhealthy in more ways than the drugs.

 

[ledhead]

You are being very nieve. All these bbs dying and having health problems like kidney failure all blame it on a genetic preexisting condition. And people like you belive this bs. Why aren't other athletes dropping like bbs? They don't have these genetic cond Itions? And recreational drug use is just a by product of bb. I started using Nuba in because it helps so much with pre contest prep but it also led to an opiate addiction. I know a woman who died of skin cancer, again related to bb because she was a red head and tanned like crazy precontest. Competitive bb is unhealthy in more ways than the drugs.

I'm quite sure that they were/are insinuating that they were predisposed for some ailment. For an example, Dennis Newman said he had a leukemia gene, and that HGH triggered it off. Perhaps, he never would have got leukemia and maybe that gene would have remained dormant if he never used HGH...

 

[caligirl85]

I'm quite sure that they were/are insinuating that they were predisposed for some ailment. For an example, Dennis Newman said he had a leukemia gene, and that HGH triggered it off. Perhaps, he never would have got leukemia and maybe that gene would have remained dormant if he never used HGH...

That's one of my fears with long term HGH use ^^^

 

[musclefreak954]

Exactly ledhead Ty, Maxwell . It's not being nieve . Your talking about Apple n Oranges..the pros taking diuretics, slin, HGH along with broad amounts of other AAS plus cycling and putting strains on your liver and cardiovascular system can play a role and if your predisposed to heart disease or cancer yes it is a possibility that AAS can accelerate you preexisting conditions.. Please watch bigger stronger faster .. Bro you have a pediatrician talking bs about AAS on ther that has no clue.. I 've been with my HRT Dr for 10yrs now . Made solid gains , cholesterol is 150 .. test 1100+ ekg NSR .clean health bc it's not mismanaged..It is a must to keep labs up to date.. diet in check . Limit Alcohol!!! I'm a paramedic for 15yrs now, you can't do AAS and this goes to the teens n 20somethings and party n use recreational drugs and think your going to b ok. Remember bodybuilding is a healthy lifestyle and choices too.. If your doing test and run deca ,mast ,anavar for a lit bit you'll b fine as long as you know your health and cycle your ok..We 've all seen where unfortunately high school or college athlete drops dwn of a heart attack and later finds out that they had a heart murmur or cardiac condition. So if your going to use again I REITERATE MAKE SURE TO SEE YOUR DR GET PHYSICAL, KNOW WHERE YOU STAND. Just a few weeks ago the one NBA player had to step dwn bc they found out through a physical that he suffered a rare cardiac condition that he could have an MI while playing on the court. So Maxwell as long as u know what your playing with and your under Dr s care. Select AAS are fine..look Tylenol has more sides on your liver than Test. AAS has never killed anyone

 

[musclefreak954]

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[maxwell0612]

Exactly ledhead Ty, Maxwell . It's not being nieve . Your talking about Apple n Oranges..the pros taking diuretics, slin, HGH along with broad amounts of other AAS plus cycling and putting strains on your liver and cardiovascular system can play a role and if your predisposed to heart disease or cancer yes it is a possibility that AAS can accelerate you preexisting conditions.. Please watch bigger stronger faster .. Bro you have a pediatrician talking bs about AAS on ther that has no clue.. I 've been with my HRT Dr for 10yrs now . Made solid gains , cholesterol is 150 .. test 1100+ ekg NSR .clean health bc it's not mismanaged..It is a must to keep labs up to date.. diet in check . Limit Alcohol!!! I'm a paramedic for 15yrs now, you can't do AAS and this goes to the teens n 20somethings and party n use recreational drugs and think your going to b ok. Remember bodybuilding is a healthy lifestyle and choices too.. If your doing test and run deca ,mast ,anavar for a lit bit you'll b fine as long as you know your health and cycle your ok..We 've all seen where unfortunately high school or college athlete drops dwn of a heart attack and later finds out that they had a heart murmur or cardiac condition. So if your going to use again I REITERATE MAKE SURE TO SEE YOUR DR GET PHYSICAL, KNOW WHERE YOU STAND. Just a few weeks ago the one NBA player had to step dwn bc they found out through a physical that he suffered a rare cardiac condition that he could have an MI while playing on the court. So Maxwell as long as u know what your playing with and your under Dr s care. Select AAS are fine..look Tylenol has more sides on your liver than Test. AAS has never killed anyone

Are you kidding me saying that aas has never killed anybody! Where have you been the last 10 years. I know you want to believe this because it eases your own mind about what you're doing but your really being totally blind about the whole thing. Guys are dropping dead in their 50's regularly and you think that aas did not cause these heart problems and kidney problem?