Approved Log First Cycle Training Log

[WEAKGUY_16974]

STATS :
MALE
22
174 CM HEIGHT
CURRENT WEIGHT: 198LBS
BASELINE LEVELS BEFORE CYCLE ( TOTAL T 12.8 NMOL/L AND FREE T 372 PMOL/L)
FOR BODYFAT PLZ REFER TO PICTURES
TRAINING TIME : 5 YEARS ( 3 YEARS FOCUSING MAINLY ON WEIGHT LIFTING)
CURRENT CYCLE : TEST E 350MG/WEEK ( 3RD WEEK IN)
TREN ACE : 20MG/DAY (3 DAYS IN AS OF TODAY)

GOAL : TO REDUCE BODYFAT SIGNIFICANTLY AND TO GET GOOD WELL DEFINED BODY WITH GOOD MEASURE OF VASCULARITY . MY BODY HOLDS FAT AND WATER VERY EASILY AND ITS A TOUGH GAME FOR MY BODY TO LOSE FAT AS YOU CAN SEE IN PICTURES , I AM NEVER ABLE TO LOSE THAT ARMPIT FAT AND ALSO THE INNER CHEST GETS IN SOME SHAPE WHEN I DIET DOWN BUT TILL NOW IT HAS NEVER GOTTEN INTO ACTUAL GOOD PHYSIQUE SHAPE

CURRENT SPLIT - 5 TO 6 DAYS A WEEK ( BACK AND BIS - CHEST AND TRIS- LEGS AND SHOULDER) AFTER EVERY SESSION 10 TO 15 MINS OF CARDIO MODERATE HIGH PACE - HAVE A KITCHEN WORKER JOB SO ITS 7 HOURS OF MOVING AROUND SO CARDIO IS GOOD.
SLEEP: 6-7 HOURS EVERY NIGHT NO ISSUES IN THAT TILL NOW

SUPPLEMENTS ;
2500 PER CAPSULE VITAMIN D PER DAY
FISH OIL 1000MG ONE CAPSULE PER DAY
PRE WORKOUT
WHEY PROTEIN

DIET: I AIM TO EAT 2000-2200 CALS A DAY , TRAIN 5-6 TIMES A WEEK DOUBLE BODY PART , ALSO CURRENTLY MY DIET IS BREAKFAST 30-40G OATS IN WATER WITH 5 EGGS OMELET , LUNCH MEAL IS AIR FRIED FRIES LIKE 150 G , AND AIR FRIED CHICKEN TENDERS AIMING FOR 30-40 GRAMS OF PROTEIN IN THIS MEAL , THEN ANOTHER MEAL WHICH IS EITHER 70 GRAMS OF WHITE RICE WITH 1.5 SCOOP OF PROTEIN OR WHITE RICE 100G WITH AROUND 150 G OF STIR FRIED CHICKEN WITH MINIMAL OIL POSSIBLE AND THEN DINNER MEAL IS AGAIN 150-200 G OF CHICKEN COOKED IN WATER AS ITS MARINATED AND THEN CARB SOURCE AROUND 150G OF WHITE RICE OR AIR FRIED FRIES OR MAYBE BOILED MACRONI . NO BS IN THIS JUST TELLING WHAT i AM DOING RN

EXPERIENCE WITH TEST AND TREN TILL NOW: INCREASED ACTIVITY , NOT GETTING TIRED EASY, SLIGHT BOOST IN CONFIDENCE , LIBIDO IS ALSO SLIGHTLY HIGH AS COMPARED TO BEFORE CYCLE , STRENGTH IS BEING RETAINED AND KIND OF INCREASING , FOR THIS IDK WHETHER ITS TREN OR TEST DOING THIS .

WORKOUTS:
CHEST : 4 EXERCISES ( 1 INCLINE BASED , 1 NORMAL CHEST PRESS, 2 TYPES OF FLIES )
BACK : 5 EXERCISES ( BODY WEIGHT PULL UPS FOR WARMUP, UNDERHAND MACHINE PULL DOWN, STIFF ARM CABLE PULL DOWN , NORMAL LAT PULL DOWN , 2 EXERCISES FOR SOME KIND OF ROWING EITHER DUMBELL OR MACHINE )
LEGS: 6 EXERCISES ( LEG PRESS, A VARIATION OF MACHINE SQUAT , SMITH MACHINE SQUAT , LEG EXTENSION , HAMSTRING EXTENSION)
SHOUDLER: 4 EXRECISES ( SHOULDER PRESS DUMBELL OR MACHINE , LATERAL RAISES FREE WEIGHTS OR MACHINE , REAR DELT FLY WITH PEC DECK OR CABLES , DUMBELL SHURGS OR SMITH MACHINE SHRUGS
BICEPS: 3 EXERCISES ( DUMBELL CURLS , PREACHER CURLS AND HAMMER CURLS )
TRICEPS: ( OVERHEAD CABLE EXTENSION SINGLE HAND OR DOUBLE HAND , LAYING DOWN BARBELL PUSHDOWNS , STRAIGHT BAR PUSHDOWNS AND ROPE EXTENSIONS OR SINGLE HAND STRAIGHT PUSHDOWNS )
NOTE: In every workout only the first exercise of every part, i take 3 - 4 sets in order to warm up and to pyramid towards going heavy and then rest of the exercises are 2 sets each moderate to heavy weight trying to reach close to failure or failure , 2nd set is often divided further into a drop set . This might not be very clear in reading but this is how i can describe bcz never logged in workouts but will try to do it in future .

BLOODWORK : Last complete bloodwork like a general one was done 8-9 months back and doctor stated that everything is perfect .

NEED GUIDANCE AND ADVICE FROM SENIORS AND PROS.

P.S : In my 5 years of training , I am still not able to get a good defined physique like even the most basic one , idk why but my bodyfat is super stubborn , my current weight is 6 kg less of what i started at before cycle but the scale weight loss or numbers are not showing any cosmetic changes . Being super honest , I have tried every training style till now , 6-8 reps , strength training like even less than 6 reps , slow and controlled reps and many other styles like superset, the strength surely goes up but physique changes in the mirror are really stubborn.

 

[willipede]

Why are you yelling? Also please bro tren is retarded

Also way too much test. I almost feel like this post is rage bait, and if its not you've got some serious thinking to do

The more I look the worse it gets and I mean this in the nicest way possible

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

Why are you yelling? Also please bro tren is retarded

Also way too much test. I almost feel like this post is rage bait, and if its not you've got some serious thinking to do

The more I look the worse it gets and I mean this in the nicest way possible

EVERYTHING IS HONEST , NOTHING IS MADE UP IN THIS , (Why are you yelling?) wdym?

 

[willipede]

EVERYTHING IS HONEST , NOTHING IS MADE UP IN THIS , (Why are you yelling?) wdym?

Just everything in UPPER CASE

You should probably come off the gear before you do too much permanent damage.

Your age and your physique as well as your lack of understanding on steroids/PEDs shows that you shouldn't be taking them at this stage in life.

You can still do a training and nutrition log on here and get lots of good advice.

Drop the tren asap! if youre adamant on continuing the cycle lower the test to 150-200mg and work on weightloss before you do any more damage

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

got it , any tips you could give on fatloss /weight loss?

 

[Coolguy]

Ok lets sort this.
Step 1 lets sort the diet out. Let's get a serious breakdown of macros.
Step 2 cardio? If you can't be fucked to do actual cardio lets get your steps up 12k at least.
Step 3 if the other 2 are dialed in you can try something like reta. I really want to know your macros first though. Something not right if you have been training 5 years and nothing's happening.

 

[willipede]

Firstly make sure your prioritising lean protein sources, high fibre, low GI carbs and minimal fats

You want to stick with foods that will keep you full for longer and have a lot of volume
For breakfast increase the oats, add 100g of blueberries, raspberries, etc. You can add whey protein to this

5 eggs is going to contribute a lot of fat and calories to your diet.

Lunch - Skip the fries, roast your own potatoes, sweet potatoes or pumpkin, you can keep the chicken tenders as long as theyre skinless, non coated, no additives. Add lots of leafy greens to this on the side, spinach, cucumber, Cherry tomatoes etc.

Get rid of the macaroni, lower the rice intake and prioritise the potatoes etc like the meal above.

It doesn't look like your getting a lot of vege intake or fruit so that looks a massive issue.

Thats just a start

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

Ok lets sort this.
Step 1 lets sort the diet out. Let's get a serious breakdown of macros.
Step 2 cardio? If you can't be fucked to do actual cardio lets get your steps up 12k at least.
Step 3 if the other 2 are dialed in you can try something like reta. I really want to know your macros first though. Something not right if you have been training 5 years and nothing's happening.

exactly, its been 5 years and my physique does not even look like a basic defined physique who goes to gym regularly , maybe i got the shittiest genetics

 

[willipede]

exactly, its been 5 years and my physique does not even look like a basic defined physique who goes to gym regularly , maybe i got the shittiest genetics

It's not shitty genetics, you just need to educate yourself around the correct nutrition.

Your diet needs a lot of work, skipping that and going straight to PEDs or blaming genetics is cop out im sorry to say.

 

[hypertrophydoug]

You're not exempt from the laws of thermodynamics. If you maintain a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. There is nothing more to it.

You need to shed a significant amount of body fat in my opinion before you should even consider anabolic steroids.

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

You're not exempt from the laws of thermodynamics. If you maintain a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. There is nothing more to it.

You need to shed a significant amount of body fat in my opinion before you should even consider anabolic steroids.

I understand what u are saying but as I mentioned , I have come down from 96 kg down to 90 kg/198 lbs , before even starting cycle this happened . The scale shows weight loss but I cannot see the significant change in my body .

 

[willipede]

I understand what u are saying but as I mentioned , I have come down from 96 kg down to 90 kg/198 lbs , before even starting cycle this happened . The scale shows weight loss but I cannot see the significant change in my body .

Brother read my essay i wrote for you with a lot of help there.

The reason you cant see significant change is because your diet is shit. Im honestly going out of my way to help you

Couldn't even see any real fruit or vege in your diet, your not even meeting basic food recommendations.

This is why you havent seen significant changes

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

Firstly make sure your prioritising lean protein sources, high fibre, low GI carbs and minimal fats

You want to stick with foods that will keep you full for longer and have a lot of volume
For breakfast increase the oats, add 100g of blueberries, raspberries, etc. You can add whey protein to this

5 eggs is going to contribute a lot of fat and calories to your diet.

Lunch - Skip the fries, roast your own potatoes, sweet potatoes or pumpkin, you can keep the chicken tenders as long as theyre skinless, non coated, no additives. Add lots of leafy greens to this on the side, spinach, cucumber, Cherry tomatoes etc.

Get rid of the macaroni, lower the rice intake and prioritise the potatoes etc like the meal above.

It doesn't look like your getting a lot of vege intake or fruit so that looks a massive issue.

Thats just a start

Thanks for this guidance

 

[hypertrophydoug]

I understand what u are saying but as I mentioned , I have come down from 96 kg down to 90 kg/198 lbs , before even starting cycle this happened . The scale shows weight loss but I cannot see the significant change in my body .

By your own stats, you are classified as obese still. A very, very long way to go before you should be considering messing with your hormones. For starters, at your current body fat and BMI you can almost guarantee yourself to over-aromatize most of that test you are currently injecting, into estrogren/E2 which is a battle within itself.

You don't seem to be willing to post your daily macros or any insight into your diet after being requested, and you have blamed your genetics as the forefront of your lack of progress. As one of my brothers in the thread has already mentioned... that is a plain cop-out.

I applaud your efforts on your weight loss journey so far, but you really need to dial in almost every aspect of your training, diet and lifestyle. As well as attitude. Read. Read. Read. Study. Study. Study. Watch. Watch. Watch. This is the internet where information is 99% of the time free, so exploit that.

With love, you are simply not ready for steroids or the commitment of what they entail. Research. Educate yourself. Lose the fat.

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

By your own stats, you are classified as obese still. A very, very long way to go before you should be considering messing with your hormones. For starters, at your current body fat and BMI you can almost guarantee yourself to over-aromatize most of that test you are currently injecting, into estrogren/E2 which is a battle within itself.

You don't seem to be willing to post your daily macros or any insight into your diet after being requested, and you have blamed your genetics as the forefront of your lack of progress. As one of my brothers in the thread has already mentioned... that is a plain cop-out.

I applaud your efforts on your weight loss journey so far, but you really need to dial in almost every aspect of your training, diet and lifestyle. As well as attitude. Read. Read. Read. Study. Study. Study. Watch. Watch. Watch. This is the internet where information is 99% of the time free, so exploit that.

With love, you are simply not ready for steroids or the commitment of what they entail. Research. Educate yourself. Lose the fat.

No its not that I am not willing to share macros , I have never focused much on macros while dieting down , my goals was to stay in a deficit and prioritize protein , please don’t assume anything from your own , thanks for your advice

 

[hypertrophydoug]

No its not that I am not willing to share macros , I have never focused much on macros while dieting down , my goals was to stay in a deficit and prioritize protein , please don’t assume anything from your own , thanks for your advice

Sure thing brother, enjoy your cycle.

 

[Coolguy]

exactly, its been 5 years and my physique does not even look like a basic defined physique who goes to gym regularly , maybe i got the shittiest genetics

Doubt it brother

 

[codezz]

Brother please listen to these boys, they can help u and please listen to them!!! If ur not willing to share things then we can only help so far, u have shared photos and other things so please go the extra mile in listening and sharing more

 

[Dreamer]

Your diet needs to be completely overhauled.
You need whole foods, not convenience foods.
You need to understand your macros and your TDEE.
How many calories are you burning? Guess what, your actually eating too little, your food quality is just garbage.

You have less than 0 business doing any form of hormone or steroid - you lack basic understanding and your bodyfat is large.

You need to do some serious research and education and go on Retatrutide and shred back the body weight.

Put together a solid whole foods diet that is slightly under your total daily energy output - there are calculators online for this.

Get a solid training program in place with a good deal of cardio.

You should read some logs here.

Im sorry if this is blunt or not the answer you want - but its the truth.

 

[codezz]

If u focus more on understanding macros and dialing in ur diet ull notice a significant weight decrease if u are in a deficit, track everything, dnt wimp out and not do it coz its too hard, if ur diet is trash it will show on u,

Please listen to all these guys above me as they only mean well and onky want to help u

 

[s.gentz]

STATS :
MALE
22
174 CM HEIGHT
CURRENT WEIGHT: 198LBS
BASELINE LEVELS BEFORE CYCLE ( TOTAL T 12.8 NMOL/L AND FREE T 372 PMOL/L)
FOR BODYFAT PLZ REFER TO PICTURES
TRAINING TIME : 5 YEARS ( 3 YEARS FOCUSING MAINLY ON WEIGHT LIFTING)
CURRENT CYCLE : TEST E 350MG/WEEK ( 3RD WEEK IN)
TREN ACE : 20MG/DAY (3 DAYS IN AS OF TODAY)

GOAL : TO REDUCE BODYFAT SIGNIFICANTLY AND TO GET GOOD WELL DEFINED BODY WITH GOOD MEASURE OF VASCULARITY . MY BODY HOLDS FAT AND WATER VERY EASILY AND ITS A TOUGH GAME FOR MY BODY TO LOSE FAT AS YOU CAN SEE IN PICTURES , I AM NEVER ABLE TO LOSE THAT ARMPIT FAT AND ALSO THE INNER CHEST GETS IN SOME SHAPE WHEN I DIET DOWN BUT TILL NOW IT HAS NEVER GOTTEN INTO ACTUAL GOOD PHYSIQUE SHAPE

CURRENT SPLIT - 5 TO 6 DAYS A WEEK ( BACK AND BIS - CHEST AND TRIS- LEGS AND SHOULDER) AFTER EVERY SESSION 10 TO 15 MINS OF CARDIO MODERATE HIGH PACE - HAVE A KITCHEN WORKER JOB SO ITS 7 HOURS OF MOVING AROUND SO CARDIO IS GOOD.
SLEEP: 6-7 HOURS EVERY NIGHT NO ISSUES IN THAT TILL NOW

SUPPLEMENTS ;
2500 PER CAPSULE VITAMIN D PER DAY
FISH OIL 1000MG ONE CAPSULE PER DAY
PRE WORKOUT
WHEY PROTEIN

DIET: I AIM TO EAT 2000-2200 CALS A DAY , TRAIN 5-6 TIMES A WEEK DOUBLE BODY PART , ALSO CURRENTLY MY DIET IS BREAKFAST 30-40G OATS IN WATER WITH 5 EGGS OMELET , LUNCH MEAL IS AIR FRIED FRIES LIKE 150 G , AND AIR FRIED CHICKEN TENDERS AIMING FOR 30-40 GRAMS OF PROTEIN IN THIS MEAL , THEN ANOTHER MEAL WHICH IS EITHER 70 GRAMS OF WHITE RICE WITH 1.5 SCOOP OF PROTEIN OR WHITE RICE 100G WITH AROUND 150 G OF STIR FRIED CHICKEN WITH MINIMAL OIL POSSIBLE AND THEN DINNER MEAL IS AGAIN 150-200 G OF CHICKEN COOKED IN WATER AS ITS MARINATED AND THEN CARB SOURCE AROUND 150G OF WHITE RICE OR AIR FRIED FRIES OR MAYBE BOILED MACRONI . NO BS IN THIS JUST TELLING WHAT i AM DOING RN

EXPERIENCE WITH TEST AND TREN TILL NOW: INCREASED ACTIVITY , NOT GETTING TIRED EASY, SLIGHT BOOST IN CONFIDENCE , LIBIDO IS ALSO SLIGHTLY HIGH AS COMPARED TO BEFORE CYCLE , STRENGTH IS BEING RETAINED AND KIND OF INCREASING , FOR THIS IDK WHETHER ITS TREN OR TEST DOING THIS .

WORKOUTS:
CHEST : 4 EXERCISES ( 1 INCLINE BASED , 1 NORMAL CHEST PRESS, 2 TYPES OF FLIES )
BACK : 5 EXERCISES ( BODY WEIGHT PULL UPS FOR WARMUP, UNDERHAND MACHINE PULL DOWN, STIFF ARM CABLE PULL DOWN , NORMAL LAT PULL DOWN , 2 EXERCISES FOR SOME KIND OF ROWING EITHER DUMBELL OR MACHINE )
LEGS: 6 EXERCISES ( LEG PRESS, A VARIATION OF MACHINE SQUAT , SMITH MACHINE SQUAT , LEG EXTENSION , HAMSTRING EXTENSION)
SHOUDLER: 4 EXRECISES ( SHOULDER PRESS DUMBELL OR MACHINE , LATERAL RAISES FREE WEIGHTS OR MACHINE , REAR DELT FLY WITH PEC DECK OR CABLES , DUMBELL SHURGS OR SMITH MACHINE SHRUGS
BICEPS: 3 EXERCISES ( DUMBELL CURLS , PREACHER CURLS AND HAMMER CURLS )
TRICEPS: ( OVERHEAD CABLE EXTENSION SINGLE HAND OR DOUBLE HAND , LAYING DOWN BARBELL PUSHDOWNS , STRAIGHT BAR PUSHDOWNS AND ROPE EXTENSIONS OR SINGLE HAND STRAIGHT PUSHDOWNS )
NOTE: In every workout only the first exercise of every part, i take 3 - 4 sets in order to warm up and to pyramid towards going heavy and then rest of the exercises are 2 sets each moderate to heavy weight trying to reach close to failure or failure , 2nd set is often divided further into a drop set . This might not be very clear in reading but this is how i can describe bcz never logged in workouts but will try to do it in future .

BLOODWORK : Last complete bloodwork like a general one was done 8-9 months back and doctor stated that everything is perfect .

NEED GUIDANCE AND ADVICE FROM SENIORS AND PROS.

P.S : In my 5 years of training , I am still not able to get a good defined physique like even the most basic one , idk why but my bodyfat is super stubborn , my current weight is 6 kg less of what i started at before cycle but the scale weight loss or numbers are not showing any cosmetic changes . Being super honest , I have tried every training style till now , 6-8 reps , strength training like even less than 6 reps , slow and controlled reps and many other styles like superset, the strength surely goes up but physique changes in the mirror are really stubborn.

Welcome @WEAKGUY_16974
Bro, you don't need drugs, especially what your suggesting. You have no muscle base to work with. What you need is a solid diet and training plan. How about starting a training and diet log so we can see what your doing and help get you on the right path.
Please starr a log and tag

 

[codezz]

Welcome @WEAKGUY_16974
Bro, you don't need drugs, especially what your suggesting. You have no muscle base to work with. What you need is a solid diet and training plan. How about starting a training and diet log so we can see what your doing and help get you on the right path.
Please starr a log and tag

Great advice, please listen to this

 

[toddthelineman]

I would pull out the injectables now, get retatrutide, and study some retatrutide logs on here. That will get the weight off effectively. Design a simple diet of Whole Foods. Meat, vegetables, fruit, maybe yogurt, whey protein. Work on getting your protein numbers real high, but it has to be sustainable. You can increase slowly.

When I am eating for a goal I find it easier to eat the same things weekly if not daily.

Don’t get frustrated or start thinking you can’t do it, you can!

Losing 6,8,10 pounds at your size won’t be noticeable. In fact, it’s quite easy to fluctuate that much daily. It’s not real weight loss. This is going to be a longer road than you want it to be but if you get dialed in it will start happening faster than you think. Nine of us are able to accurately see real changes in the mirror because we see ourselves too often. That’s why sharing progress pictures is necessary.

If you eat way too little you’ll just crash your metabolism, fail to adhere to your diet, and rebound fatter. You can’t eat like 95 pound woman for long because you’re not one. You need to eat like the lean, muscular man you want to be. And train like one! So don’t crash diet and don’t “rush”. If you want to transform and keep your new physique this is a life long lifestyle change so you have plenty of time

 

[toddthelineman]

My buddy has lost almost fifty pounds with retatrutide and he has low t, 350 mg/dl well rested first thing in the morning. He was 300 pounds and climbing. He has an appetite issue and zero fitness/health background.

I talk to him daily and showed him how he is eating subconsciously. His whole family is pretty big, they’re just big, strong people that will put on size no matter what. IMO, this can be an advantage. This are the people that can get swole af!

I’m on the other end of the spectrum, even if I’m sedentary and don’t eat I just shrink. If I’m sedentary and do eat I get digestive issues, but I will gain *some* weight. I have never gained significant muscle without processed food, but in my normal life I am uncommonly active.

Have you tracked your steps? I met a lady while I was working for weeks down a long, hilly country road. She had clearly lost a huge amount of weight. We talked about it, she said she walked the six miles to her mom’s house and back every single day no matter what and she must’ve lost half her body weight. That’s the power of consistency and time!

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

I would pull out the injectables now, get retatrutide, and study some retatrutide logs on here. That will get the weight off effectively. Design a simple diet of Whole Foods. Meat, vegetables, fruit, maybe yogurt, whey protein. Work on getting your protein numbers real high, but it has to be sustainable. You can increase slowly.

When I am eating for a goal I find it easier to eat the same things weekly if not daily.

Don’t get frustrated or start thinking you can’t do it, you can!

Losing 6,8,10 pounds at your size won’t be noticeable. In fact, it’s quite easy to fluctuate that much daily. It’s not real weight loss. This is going to be a longer road than you want it to be but if you get dialed in it will start happening faster than you think. Nine of us are able to accurately see real changes in the mirror because we see ourselves too often. That’s why sharing progress pictures is necessary.

If you eat way too little you’ll just crash your metabolism, fail to adhere to your diet, and rebound fatter. You can’t eat like 95 pound woman for long because you’re not one. You need to eat like the lean, muscular man you want to be. And train like one! So don’t crash diet and don’t “rush”. If you want to transform and keep your new physique this is a life long lifestyle change so you have plenty of time

Thank u for the advice and guidance

 

[toddthelineman]

Thank u for the advice and guidance

No problem! Want to see you do your best!

 

[LevButlerov]

STATS :
MALE
22
174 CM HEIGHT
CURRENT WEIGHT: 198LBS
BASELINE LEVELS BEFORE CYCLE ( TOTAL T 12.8 NMOL/L AND FREE T 372 PMOL/L)
FOR BODYFAT PLZ REFER TO PICTURES
TRAINING TIME : 5 YEARS ( 3 YEARS FOCUSING MAINLY ON WEIGHT LIFTING)
CURRENT CYCLE : TEST E 350MG/WEEK ( 3RD WEEK IN)
TREN ACE : 20MG/DAY (3 DAYS IN AS OF TODAY)

GOAL : TO REDUCE BODYFAT SIGNIFICANTLY AND TO GET GOOD WELL DEFINED BODY WITH GOOD MEASURE OF VASCULARITY . MY BODY HOLDS FAT AND WATER VERY EASILY AND ITS A TOUGH GAME FOR MY BODY TO LOSE FAT AS YOU CAN SEE IN PICTURES , I AM NEVER ABLE TO LOSE THAT ARMPIT FAT AND ALSO THE INNER CHEST GETS IN SOME SHAPE WHEN I DIET DOWN BUT TILL NOW IT HAS NEVER GOTTEN INTO ACTUAL GOOD PHYSIQUE SHAPE

CURRENT SPLIT - 5 TO 6 DAYS A WEEK ( BACK AND BIS - CHEST AND TRIS- LEGS AND SHOULDER) AFTER EVERY SESSION 10 TO 15 MINS OF CARDIO MODERATE HIGH PACE - HAVE A KITCHEN WORKER JOB SO ITS 7 HOURS OF MOVING AROUND SO CARDIO IS GOOD.
SLEEP: 6-7 HOURS EVERY NIGHT NO ISSUES IN THAT TILL NOW

SUPPLEMENTS ;
2500 PER CAPSULE VITAMIN D PER DAY
FISH OIL 1000MG ONE CAPSULE PER DAY
PRE WORKOUT
WHEY PROTEIN

DIET: I AIM TO EAT 2000-2200 CALS A DAY , TRAIN 5-6 TIMES A WEEK DOUBLE BODY PART , ALSO CURRENTLY MY DIET IS BREAKFAST 30-40G OATS IN WATER WITH 5 EGGS OMELET , LUNCH MEAL IS AIR FRIED FRIES LIKE 150 G , AND AIR FRIED CHICKEN TENDERS AIMING FOR 30-40 GRAMS OF PROTEIN IN THIS MEAL , THEN ANOTHER MEAL WHICH IS EITHER 70 GRAMS OF WHITE RICE WITH 1.5 SCOOP OF PROTEIN OR WHITE RICE 100G WITH AROUND 150 G OF STIR FRIED CHICKEN WITH MINIMAL OIL POSSIBLE AND THEN DINNER MEAL IS AGAIN 150-200 G OF CHICKEN COOKED IN WATER AS ITS MARINATED AND THEN CARB SOURCE AROUND 150G OF WHITE RICE OR AIR FRIED FRIES OR MAYBE BOILED MACRONI . NO BS IN THIS JUST TELLING WHAT i AM DOING RN

EXPERIENCE WITH TEST AND TREN TILL NOW: INCREASED ACTIVITY , NOT GETTING TIRED EASY, SLIGHT BOOST IN CONFIDENCE , LIBIDO IS ALSO SLIGHTLY HIGH AS COMPARED TO BEFORE CYCLE , STRENGTH IS BEING RETAINED AND KIND OF INCREASING , FOR THIS IDK WHETHER ITS TREN OR TEST DOING THIS .

WORKOUTS:
CHEST : 4 EXERCISES ( 1 INCLINE BASED , 1 NORMAL CHEST PRESS, 2 TYPES OF FLIES )
BACK : 5 EXERCISES ( BODY WEIGHT PULL UPS FOR WARMUP, UNDERHAND MACHINE PULL DOWN, STIFF ARM CABLE PULL DOWN , NORMAL LAT PULL DOWN , 2 EXERCISES FOR SOME KIND OF ROWING EITHER DUMBELL OR MACHINE )
LEGS: 6 EXERCISES ( LEG PRESS, A VARIATION OF MACHINE SQUAT , SMITH MACHINE SQUAT , LEG EXTENSION , HAMSTRING EXTENSION)
SHOUDLER: 4 EXRECISES ( SHOULDER PRESS DUMBELL OR MACHINE , LATERAL RAISES FREE WEIGHTS OR MACHINE , REAR DELT FLY WITH PEC DECK OR CABLES , DUMBELL SHURGS OR SMITH MACHINE SHRUGS
BICEPS: 3 EXERCISES ( DUMBELL CURLS , PREACHER CURLS AND HAMMER CURLS )
TRICEPS: ( OVERHEAD CABLE EXTENSION SINGLE HAND OR DOUBLE HAND , LAYING DOWN BARBELL PUSHDOWNS , STRAIGHT BAR PUSHDOWNS AND ROPE EXTENSIONS OR SINGLE HAND STRAIGHT PUSHDOWNS )
NOTE: In every workout only the first exercise of every part, i take 3 - 4 sets in order to warm up and to pyramid towards going heavy and then rest of the exercises are 2 sets each moderate to heavy weight trying to reach close to failure or failure , 2nd set is often divided further into a drop set . This might not be very clear in reading but this is how i can describe bcz never logged in workouts but will try to do it in future .

BLOODWORK : Last complete bloodwork like a general one was done 8-9 months back and doctor stated that everything is perfect .

NEED GUIDANCE AND ADVICE FROM SENIORS AND PROS.

P.S : In my 5 years of training , I am still not able to get a good defined physique like even the most basic one , idk why but my bodyfat is super stubborn , my current weight is 6 kg less of what i started at before cycle but the scale weight loss or numbers are not showing any cosmetic changes . Being super honest , I have tried every training style till now , 6-8 reps , strength training like even less than 6 reps , slow and controlled reps and many other styles like superset, the strength surely goes up but physique changes in the mirror are really stubborn.

welcome to the EVO family @WEAKGUY_16974 I think a lot of our veteran and moderator EVO brothers have added to this conversation with constructive additions.

I'd like to see you redo blood work first, and if all normal get on TRT and retatrutide. At the same time we need to monitor your diet and training to control your intake.

 

[codezz]

welcome to the EVO family @WEAKGUY_16974 I think a lot of our veteran and moderator EVO brothers have added to this conversation with constructive additions.

I'd like to see you redo blood work first, and if all normal get on TRT and retatrutide. At the same time we need to monitor your diet and training to control your intake.

Yessss u started a log brother, well done, please listen to the mods and respected members, we are all here to help u

 

[stevesmi]

got it , any tips you could give on fatloss /weight loss?

@WEAKGUY_16974 I'm glad you got this log started. 95% of this is nutrition. You need to be food prepping. That's something you have to learn. At 22 years old, not many people your age are food prepping healthy nutritious food, and that's okay. When I was 22, I didn't either, but if you really want to change your physique, you've got to start doing it. So that's the number one thing that you have to learn on this. Steroids are not the answer for you yet. I would suggest stopping the steroids as soon as possible.

 

[codezz]

@WEAKGUY_16974 I'm glad you got this log started. 95% of this is nutrition. You need to be food prepping. That's something you have to learn. At 22 years old, not many people your age are food prepping healthy nutritious food, and that's okay. When I was 22, I didn't either, but if you really want to change your physique, you've got to start doing it. So that's the number one thing that you have to learn on this. Steroids are not the answer for you yet. I would suggest stopping the steroids as soon as possible.

Best advise here, nutrition is and should be number 1, then cardio, and then incorporate some weight training, then only when ur older and wiser to the jump into the world of juice, and ur 1st few cycles only should be Test, nothing else!!!

 

[stevesmi]

Best advise here, nutrition is and should be number 1, then cardio, and then incorporate some weight training, then only when ur older and wiser to the jump into the world of juice, and ur 1st few cycles only should be Test, nothing else!!!

Yep, and he doesn't have any sort of base either. It would be a complete waste to use steroids and counterproductive. But at the end of the day, it's his body and his choice. So if he chooses to continue, it is what it is.

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

@WEAKGUY_16974 I'm glad you got this log started. 95% of this is nutrition. You need to be food prepping. That's something you have to learn. At 22 years old, not many people your age are food prepping healthy nutritious food, and that's okay. When I was 22, I didn't either, but if you really want to change your physique, you've got to start doing it. So that's the number one thing that you have to learn on this. Steroids are not the answer for you yet. I would suggest stopping the steroids as soon as possible.

Thanks for the guidance , yeah you are absolutely right , I need to figure out my diet first.

 

[codezz]

Yep, and he doesn't have any sort of base either. It would be a complete waste to use steroids and counterproductive. But at the end of the day, it's his body and his choice. So if he chooses to continue, it is what it is.

This is true also, if he does continue to use the juice then we can only help and assist in trying to help him to make the right choices still, eg blood work and the rest

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks for the guidance , yeah you are absolutely right , I need to figure out my diet first.

Food prep twice a week. You'll have enough food to last you three or four days. Make sure you're cooking good, healthy, nutritious food. Check out the different logs on the forum and look at what guys are eating. It's not going to match what you're eating, that I can assure you.

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

This is true also, if he does continue to use the juice then we can only help and assist in trying to help him to make the right choices still, eg blood work and the rest

I am getting in sync with this space like posting threads and log and I will surely be updating about my progress like bloodwork , changes in my body , changes in diet etc , thanks to all seniors and pros who guided and gave advice . However , as a newbie idk if its psychological but I don,t feel like stopping the cycle , I will keep my doses the same , will not increase but as the core principle , I will fix my diet primarily and then training and cardio and keep my log updated . Big respect for all the seniors and pros who advised to stop the cycle but maybe if someone could understand , I have dipped my toes in it so I want to see where it takes me to , in this time period

 

[codezz]

Theres so much info out there man, google healthy food meal prep ideas, fark theres so much info these days its not funny, almost everything at Coles and woolies is high protein or something, most yoghurt has almost 20g of protein in it, chuck some berries on top and some plain oats, and bang breaky for the week, super easy and takes 2 mins to make 7 meals... chicken and salad for lunches, bang again easy to make, grill the chicken, fuck all oil in the pan, little bit of seasoning and ur good to go, dinner... steak or fish, vege and sweet potato, and have some healthy nuts through out the day and fruit, or a protien drink,

Just make sure u count ya Marcos, if u dnt know how to, hire a coach or nutritionist for a few weeks to help u, brother, spend the money on this not the juice!!!

Like @stevesmi said get a base for ur body 1st

 

[codezz]

I am getting in sync with this space like posting threads and log and I will surely be updating about my progress like bloodwork , changes in my body , changes in diet etc , thanks to all seniors and pros who guided and gave advice . However , as a newbie idk if its psychological but I don,t feel like stopping the cycle , I will keep my doses the same , will not increase but as the core principle , I will fix my diet primarily and then training and cardio and keep my log updated . Big respect for all the seniors and pros who advised to stop the cycle but maybe if someone could understand , I have dipped my toes in it so I want to see where it takes me to , in this time period

I can only highly disagree in staying on ur cycle, please stop before u do more damage to ur body, ur body is not ready 1 bit to start,

Please get bloods done again asap to check ur e2 levels and the rest since they weren't done, use something like Imedical.com or something

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

Theres so much info out there man, google healthy food meal prep ideas, fark theres so much info these days its not funny, almost everything at Coles and woolies is high protein or something, most yoghurt has almost 20g of protein in it, chuck some berries on top and some plain oats, and bang breaky for the week, super easy and takes 2 mins to make 7 meals... chicken and salad for lunches, bang again easy to make, grill the chicken, fuck all oil in the pan, little bit of seasoning and ur good to go, dinner... steak or fish, vege and sweet potato, and have some healthy nuts through out the day and fruit, or a protien drink,

Just make sure u count ya Marcos, if u dnt know how to, hire a coach or nutritionist for a few weeks to help u, brother, spend the money on this not the juice!!!

Like @stevesmi said get a base for ur body 1st

Great advice , in terms of using oil , do you guys who are quite lean shredded , you measure oil like the how much grams or just random estimate as little as possible?

 

[Dreamer]

Brother at least get off tren and drop your test to a reasonable dose

 

[Dreamer]

Great advice , in terms of using oil , do you guys who are quite lean shredded , you measure oil like the how much grams or just random estimate as little as possible?

Use extra virgin olive oil and measure it, but itll
help your lipids too.

 

[codezz]

Use extra virgin olive oil and measure it, but itll
help your lipids too.

Measure everything if ur serious about dropping the weight

 

[willipede]

I can only highly disagree in staying on ur cycle, please stop before u do more damage to ur body, ur body is not ready 1 bit to start,

Please get bloods done again asap to check ur e2 levels and the rest since they weren't done, use something like Imedical.com or something

I second this, as I said early on. Drop the tren asap

Also test is way too high. Honestly the best advice would be to drop the steroids but if you won't do that 150-200mg per week is a much better range for you.

99% chance your estrodial will be through the roof on this dosage, your going to end up with permanent gyno, bad acne, mood, libido, mental health can be impacted, long term fertility. So many things to go wrong

 

[Mobster]

I am getting in sync with this space like posting threads and log and I will surely be updating about my progress like bloodwork , changes in my body , changes in diet etc , thanks to all seniors and pros who guided and gave advice . However , as a newbie idk if its psychological but I don,t feel like stopping the cycle , I will keep my doses the same , will not increase but as the core principle , I will fix my diet primarily and then training and cardio and keep my log updated . Big respect for all the seniors and pros who advised to stop the cycle but maybe if someone could understand , I have dipped my toes in it so I want to see where it takes me to , in this time period

Not enough respect. Pls don't say that and then ignore the advice.

Here's the blunt truth (some of which you know):
1. You're out of shape.
2. Meaning you need to fix the diet. Start there first
3. Then cardio. Like 10000 steps a day.

ZERO reason to NOT do these and then use PEDs.

I will NOT support any PED use until a) you're 25 or more and b) you're doing 1, 2 and 3

 

[ceo]

I am getting in sync with this space like posting threads and log and I will surely be updating about my progress like bloodwork , changes in my body , changes in diet etc , thanks to all seniors and pros who guided and gave advice . However , as a newbie idk if its psychological but I don,t feel like stopping the cycle , I will keep my doses the same , will not increase but as the core principle , I will fix my diet primarily and then training and cardio and keep my log updated . Big respect for all the seniors and pros who advised to stop the cycle but maybe if someone could understand , I have dipped my toes in it so I want to see where it takes me to , in this time period

bros, longer you stay on this cycle, more damage you gonna do and set yourself back. Tren some hardcore stuff. I don't go near it unless I'm truly ready and in top shape. @WEAKGUY_16974

 

[toddthelineman]

I am getting in sync with this space like posting threads and log and I will surely be updating about my progress like bloodwork , changes in my body , changes in diet etc , thanks to all seniors and pros who guided and gave advice . However , as a newbie idk if its psychological but I don,t feel like stopping the cycle , I will keep my doses the same , will not increase but as the core principle , I will fix my diet primarily and then training and cardio and keep my log updated . Big respect for all the seniors and pros who advised to stop the cycle but maybe if someone could understand , I have dipped my toes in it so I want to see where it takes me to , in this time period

You’re never going to feel like stopping the cycle @WEAKGUY_16974

The question is, do want to to stop for the right reason, or because you have a problem?

Half the people who have responded to you do this all day everyday for years.

We all regularly see newbies come on here, don’t listen, them either disappear or come back (often under a different name) literally desperate for help. This is the likely outcome for your decision to stay on cycle. You are NOT ready for this.

 

[toddthelineman]

Great advice , in terms of using oil , do you guys who are quite lean shredded , you measure oil like the how much grams or just random estimate as little as possible?

When I was as lean as I ever got, I was measuring everything and eating 400g+ protein from meat and whey daily. I hit 600 a few times. Pretty hard to eat fattening food when you’re that full.

 

[Ulter]

STATS :
MALE
22
174 CM HEIGHT
CURRENT WEIGHT: 198LBS
BASELINE LEVELS BEFORE CYCLE ( TOTAL T 12.8 NMOL/L AND FREE T 372 PMOL/L)
FOR BODYFAT PLZ REFER TO PICTURES
TRAINING TIME : 5 YEARS ( 3 YEARS FOCUSING MAINLY ON WEIGHT LIFTING)
CURRENT CYCLE : TEST E 350MG/WEEK ( 3RD WEEK IN)
TREN ACE : 20MG/DAY (3 DAYS IN AS OF TODAY)

GOAL : TO REDUCE BODYFAT SIGNIFICANTLY AND TO GET GOOD WELL DEFINED BODY WITH GOOD MEASURE OF VASCULARITY . MY BODY HOLDS FAT AND WATER VERY EASILY AND ITS A TOUGH GAME FOR MY BODY TO LOSE FAT AS YOU CAN SEE IN PICTURES , I AM NEVER ABLE TO LOSE THAT ARMPIT FAT AND ALSO THE INNER CHEST GETS IN SOME SHAPE WHEN I DIET DOWN BUT TILL NOW IT HAS NEVER GOTTEN INTO ACTUAL GOOD PHYSIQUE SHAPE

CURRENT SPLIT - 5 TO 6 DAYS A WEEK ( BACK AND BIS - CHEST AND TRIS- LEGS AND SHOULDER) AFTER EVERY SESSION 10 TO 15 MINS OF CARDIO MODERATE HIGH PACE - HAVE A KITCHEN WORKER JOB SO ITS 7 HOURS OF MOVING AROUND SO CARDIO IS GOOD.
SLEEP: 6-7 HOURS EVERY NIGHT NO ISSUES IN THAT TILL NOW

SUPPLEMENTS ;
2500 PER CAPSULE VITAMIN D PER DAY
FISH OIL 1000MG ONE CAPSULE PER DAY
PRE WORKOUT
WHEY PROTEIN

DIET: I AIM TO EAT 2000-2200 CALS A DAY , TRAIN 5-6 TIMES A WEEK DOUBLE BODY PART , ALSO CURRENTLY MY DIET IS BREAKFAST 30-40G OATS IN WATER WITH 5 EGGS OMELET , LUNCH MEAL IS AIR FRIED FRIES LIKE 150 G , AND AIR FRIED CHICKEN TENDERS AIMING FOR 30-40 GRAMS OF PROTEIN IN THIS MEAL , THEN ANOTHER MEAL WHICH IS EITHER 70 GRAMS OF WHITE RICE WITH 1.5 SCOOP OF PROTEIN OR WHITE RICE 100G WITH AROUND 150 G OF STIR FRIED CHICKEN WITH MINIMAL OIL POSSIBLE AND THEN DINNER MEAL IS AGAIN 150-200 G OF CHICKEN COOKED IN WATER AS ITS MARINATED AND THEN CARB SOURCE AROUND 150G OF WHITE RICE OR AIR FRIED FRIES OR MAYBE BOILED MACRONI . NO BS IN THIS JUST TELLING WHAT i AM DOING RN

EXPERIENCE WITH TEST AND TREN TILL NOW: INCREASED ACTIVITY , NOT GETTING TIRED EASY, SLIGHT BOOST IN CONFIDENCE , LIBIDO IS ALSO SLIGHTLY HIGH AS COMPARED TO BEFORE CYCLE , STRENGTH IS BEING RETAINED AND KIND OF INCREASING , FOR THIS IDK WHETHER ITS TREN OR TEST DOING THIS .

WORKOUTS:
CHEST : 4 EXERCISES ( 1 INCLINE BASED , 1 NORMAL CHEST PRESS, 2 TYPES OF FLIES )
BACK : 5 EXERCISES ( BODY WEIGHT PULL UPS FOR WARMUP, UNDERHAND MACHINE PULL DOWN, STIFF ARM CABLE PULL DOWN , NORMAL LAT PULL DOWN , 2 EXERCISES FOR SOME KIND OF ROWING EITHER DUMBELL OR MACHINE )
LEGS: 6 EXERCISES ( LEG PRESS, A VARIATION OF MACHINE SQUAT , SMITH MACHINE SQUAT , LEG EXTENSION , HAMSTRING EXTENSION)
SHOUDLER: 4 EXRECISES ( SHOULDER PRESS DUMBELL OR MACHINE , LATERAL RAISES FREE WEIGHTS OR MACHINE , REAR DELT FLY WITH PEC DECK OR CABLES , DUMBELL SHURGS OR SMITH MACHINE SHRUGS
BICEPS: 3 EXERCISES ( DUMBELL CURLS , PREACHER CURLS AND HAMMER CURLS )
TRICEPS: ( OVERHEAD CABLE EXTENSION SINGLE HAND OR DOUBLE HAND , LAYING DOWN BARBELL PUSHDOWNS , STRAIGHT BAR PUSHDOWNS AND ROPE EXTENSIONS OR SINGLE HAND STRAIGHT PUSHDOWNS )
NOTE: In every workout only the first exercise of every part, i take 3 - 4 sets in order to warm up and to pyramid towards going heavy and then rest of the exercises are 2 sets each moderate to heavy weight trying to reach close to failure or failure , 2nd set is often divided further into a drop set . This might not be very clear in reading but this is how i can describe bcz never logged in workouts but will try to do it in future .

BLOODWORK : Last complete bloodwork like a general one was done 8-9 months back and doctor stated that everything is perfect .

NEED GUIDANCE AND ADVICE FROM SENIORS AND PROS.

P.S : In my 5 years of training , I am still not able to get a good defined physique like even the most basic one , idk why but my bodyfat is super stubborn , my current weight is 6 kg less of what i started at before cycle but the scale weight loss or numbers are not showing any cosmetic changes . Being super honest , I have tried every training style till now , 6-8 reps , strength training like even less than 6 reps , slow and controlled reps and many other styles like superset, the strength surely goes up but physique changes in the mirror are really stubborn.

I give you a lot of credit for posting up your pictures and being modest about your physique. @WEAKGUY_16974 the truth is you can run all the steroids you want. You're not going to achieve a good physique without dialing in your diet and your training. I believe it could be a combination of things so it's important to focus on that first before you start messing with steroids.

 

[ROIDDERS]

STATS :
MALE
22
174 CM HEIGHT
CURRENT WEIGHT: 198LBS
BASELINE LEVELS BEFORE CYCLE ( TOTAL T 12.8 NMOL/L AND FREE T 372 PMOL/L)
FOR BODYFAT PLZ REFER TO PICTURES
TRAINING TIME : 5 YEARS ( 3 YEARS FOCUSING MAINLY ON WEIGHT LIFTING)
CURRENT CYCLE : TEST E 350MG/WEEK ( 3RD WEEK IN)
TREN ACE : 20MG/DAY (3 DAYS IN AS OF TODAY)

GOAL : TO REDUCE BODYFAT SIGNIFICANTLY AND TO GET GOOD WELL DEFINED BODY WITH GOOD MEASURE OF VASCULARITY . MY BODY HOLDS FAT AND WATER VERY EASILY AND ITS A TOUGH GAME FOR MY BODY TO LOSE FAT AS YOU CAN SEE IN PICTURES , I AM NEVER ABLE TO LOSE THAT ARMPIT FAT AND ALSO THE INNER CHEST GETS IN SOME SHAPE WHEN I DIET DOWN BUT TILL NOW IT HAS NEVER GOTTEN INTO ACTUAL GOOD PHYSIQUE SHAPE

CURRENT SPLIT - 5 TO 6 DAYS A WEEK ( BACK AND BIS - CHEST AND TRIS- LEGS AND SHOULDER) AFTER EVERY SESSION 10 TO 15 MINS OF CARDIO MODERATE HIGH PACE - HAVE A KITCHEN WORKER JOB SO ITS 7 HOURS OF MOVING AROUND SO CARDIO IS GOOD.
SLEEP: 6-7 HOURS EVERY NIGHT NO ISSUES IN THAT TILL NOW

SUPPLEMENTS ;
2500 PER CAPSULE VITAMIN D PER DAY
FISH OIL 1000MG ONE CAPSULE PER DAY
PRE WORKOUT
WHEY PROTEIN

DIET: I AIM TO EAT 2000-2200 CALS A DAY , TRAIN 5-6 TIMES A WEEK DOUBLE BODY PART , ALSO CURRENTLY MY DIET IS BREAKFAST 30-40G OATS IN WATER WITH 5 EGGS OMELET , LUNCH MEAL IS AIR FRIED FRIES LIKE 150 G , AND AIR FRIED CHICKEN TENDERS AIMING FOR 30-40 GRAMS OF PROTEIN IN THIS MEAL , THEN ANOTHER MEAL WHICH IS EITHER 70 GRAMS OF WHITE RICE WITH 1.5 SCOOP OF PROTEIN OR WHITE RICE 100G WITH AROUND 150 G OF STIR FRIED CHICKEN WITH MINIMAL OIL POSSIBLE AND THEN DINNER MEAL IS AGAIN 150-200 G OF CHICKEN COOKED IN WATER AS ITS MARINATED AND THEN CARB SOURCE AROUND 150G OF WHITE RICE OR AIR FRIED FRIES OR MAYBE BOILED MACRONI . NO BS IN THIS JUST TELLING WHAT i AM DOING RN

EXPERIENCE WITH TEST AND TREN TILL NOW: INCREASED ACTIVITY , NOT GETTING TIRED EASY, SLIGHT BOOST IN CONFIDENCE , LIBIDO IS ALSO SLIGHTLY HIGH AS COMPARED TO BEFORE CYCLE , STRENGTH IS BEING RETAINED AND KIND OF INCREASING , FOR THIS IDK WHETHER ITS TREN OR TEST DOING THIS .

WORKOUTS:
CHEST : 4 EXERCISES ( 1 INCLINE BASED , 1 NORMAL CHEST PRESS, 2 TYPES OF FLIES )
BACK : 5 EXERCISES ( BODY WEIGHT PULL UPS FOR WARMUP, UNDERHAND MACHINE PULL DOWN, STIFF ARM CABLE PULL DOWN , NORMAL LAT PULL DOWN , 2 EXERCISES FOR SOME KIND OF ROWING EITHER DUMBELL OR MACHINE )
LEGS: 6 EXERCISES ( LEG PRESS, A VARIATION OF MACHINE SQUAT , SMITH MACHINE SQUAT , LEG EXTENSION , HAMSTRING EXTENSION)
SHOUDLER: 4 EXRECISES ( SHOULDER PRESS DUMBELL OR MACHINE , LATERAL RAISES FREE WEIGHTS OR MACHINE , REAR DELT FLY WITH PEC DECK OR CABLES , DUMBELL SHURGS OR SMITH MACHINE SHRUGS
BICEPS: 3 EXERCISES ( DUMBELL CURLS , PREACHER CURLS AND HAMMER CURLS )
TRICEPS: ( OVERHEAD CABLE EXTENSION SINGLE HAND OR DOUBLE HAND , LAYING DOWN BARBELL PUSHDOWNS , STRAIGHT BAR PUSHDOWNS AND ROPE EXTENSIONS OR SINGLE HAND STRAIGHT PUSHDOWNS )
NOTE: In every workout only the first exercise of every part, i take 3 - 4 sets in order to warm up and to pyramid towards going heavy and then rest of the exercises are 2 sets each moderate to heavy weight trying to reach close to failure or failure , 2nd set is often divided further into a drop set . This might not be very clear in reading but this is how i can describe bcz never logged in workouts but will try to do it in future .

BLOODWORK : Last complete bloodwork like a general one was done 8-9 months back and doctor stated that everything is perfect .

NEED GUIDANCE AND ADVICE FROM SENIORS AND PROS.

P.S : In my 5 years of training , I am still not able to get a good defined physique like even the most basic one , idk why but my bodyfat is super stubborn , my current weight is 6 kg less of what i started at before cycle but the scale weight loss or numbers are not showing any cosmetic changes . Being super honest , I have tried every training style till now , 6-8 reps , strength training like even less than 6 reps , slow and controlled reps and many other styles like superset, the strength surely goes up but physique changes in the mirror are really stubborn.

@WEAKGUY_16974
my view is, hey, it's your body and your choice. If you want to screw it up and do steroids at a young age and go for it, you're not gonna get a lot out of them though.

Have you checked the other logs on here? These guys had fantastic physiques before they touched steroids and then once they got steroids, they were able to take things to the next level. You're not even past step one yet so make sure that you really think about what you're doing here.

 

[2Thick]

Really hard to add to anything the guys have said above but I will say this: if you do go through with this, I want to see the food that you're eating on a daily basis and I want you to be open about changing your diet. It's going to be very different than what you're used to. @WEAKGUY_16974

 

[Mobster]

Great advice , in terms of using oil , do you guys who are quite lean shredded , you measure oil like the how much grams or just random estimate as little as possible?

Read the logs of those who are shredded and see what they do

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

Not enough respect. Pls don't say that and then ignore the advice.

Here's the blunt truth (some of which you know):
1. You're out of shape.
2. Meaning you need to fix the diet. Start there first
3. Then cardio. Like 10000 steps a day.

ZERO reason to NOT do these and then use PEDs.

I will NOT support any PED use until a) you're 25 or more and b) you're doing 1, 2 and 3

I am not ignoring the advice but maybe if you could understand from my mindset like I am already 3 weeks in this and like spent the money on the gear and like I don’t feel like coming just in the middle . On the other hand , I am fixing up my diet to more whole foods , veggies in meals , trying to add in fruits like whatevr I can fix within my affordability and budget and with the college student routine. I will add an update to my current routine on this log soon , with more detail like the foods and meals I am eating now and the macros , also I have increased my cardio in order to get in 10000 steps a day .

 

[codezz]

I am not ignoring the advice but maybe if you could understand from my mindset like I am already 3 weeks in this and like spent the money on the gear and like I don’t feel like coming just in the middle . On the other hand , I am fixing up my diet to more whole foods , veggies in meals , trying to add in fruits like whatevr I can fix within my affordability and budget and with the college student routine. I will add an update to my current routine on this log soon , with more detail like the foods and meals I am eating now and the macros , also I have increased my cardio in order to get in 10000 steps a day .

We get ur mindset bro, its like all of us, but deep down, if ur body isnt ready, its not going to showcase the results from taking the juice, ur not just gonna become Hercules... start taking photos of all ur meals and posting them here, please stop taking the juice as ull do ur body more harm than good!!! Listen to @Mobster , and the rest of these guys!!! U can stop and save the juice for next time when ur body is actually ready, maybe just will need to buy 1 more vial next time, but please stop the juice brother

 

[ballin2504]

STATS :
MALE
22
174 CM HEIGHT
CURRENT WEIGHT: 198LBS
BASELINE LEVELS BEFORE CYCLE ( TOTAL T 12.8 NMOL/L AND FREE T 372 PMOL/L)
FOR BODYFAT PLZ REFER TO PICTURES
TRAINING TIME : 5 YEARS ( 3 YEARS FOCUSING MAINLY ON WEIGHT LIFTING)
CURRENT CYCLE : TEST E 350MG/WEEK ( 3RD WEEK IN)
TREN ACE : 20MG/DAY (3 DAYS IN AS OF TODAY)

GOAL : TO REDUCE BODYFAT SIGNIFICANTLY AND TO GET GOOD WELL DEFINED BODY WITH GOOD MEASURE OF VASCULARITY . MY BODY HOLDS FAT AND WATER VERY EASILY AND ITS A TOUGH GAME FOR MY BODY TO LOSE FAT AS YOU CAN SEE IN PICTURES , I AM NEVER ABLE TO LOSE THAT ARMPIT FAT AND ALSO THE INNER CHEST GETS IN SOME SHAPE WHEN I DIET DOWN BUT TILL NOW IT HAS NEVER GOTTEN INTO ACTUAL GOOD PHYSIQUE SHAPE

CURRENT SPLIT - 5 TO 6 DAYS A WEEK ( BACK AND BIS - CHEST AND TRIS- LEGS AND SHOULDER) AFTER EVERY SESSION 10 TO 15 MINS OF CARDIO MODERATE HIGH PACE - HAVE A KITCHEN WORKER JOB SO ITS 7 HOURS OF MOVING AROUND SO CARDIO IS GOOD.
SLEEP: 6-7 HOURS EVERY NIGHT NO ISSUES IN THAT TILL NOW

SUPPLEMENTS ;
2500 PER CAPSULE VITAMIN D PER DAY
FISH OIL 1000MG ONE CAPSULE PER DAY
PRE WORKOUT
WHEY PROTEIN

DIET: I AIM TO EAT 2000-2200 CALS A DAY , TRAIN 5-6 TIMES A WEEK DOUBLE BODY PART , ALSO CURRENTLY MY DIET IS BREAKFAST 30-40G OATS IN WATER WITH 5 EGGS OMELET , LUNCH MEAL IS AIR FRIED FRIES LIKE 150 G , AND AIR FRIED CHICKEN TENDERS AIMING FOR 30-40 GRAMS OF PROTEIN IN THIS MEAL , THEN ANOTHER MEAL WHICH IS EITHER 70 GRAMS OF WHITE RICE WITH 1.5 SCOOP OF PROTEIN OR WHITE RICE 100G WITH AROUND 150 G OF STIR FRIED CHICKEN WITH MINIMAL OIL POSSIBLE AND THEN DINNER MEAL IS AGAIN 150-200 G OF CHICKEN COOKED IN WATER AS ITS MARINATED AND THEN CARB SOURCE AROUND 150G OF WHITE RICE OR AIR FRIED FRIES OR MAYBE BOILED MACRONI . NO BS IN THIS JUST TELLING WHAT i AM DOING RN

EXPERIENCE WITH TEST AND TREN TILL NOW: INCREASED ACTIVITY , NOT GETTING TIRED EASY, SLIGHT BOOST IN CONFIDENCE , LIBIDO IS ALSO SLIGHTLY HIGH AS COMPARED TO BEFORE CYCLE , STRENGTH IS BEING RETAINED AND KIND OF INCREASING , FOR THIS IDK WHETHER ITS TREN OR TEST DOING THIS .

WORKOUTS:
CHEST : 4 EXERCISES ( 1 INCLINE BASED , 1 NORMAL CHEST PRESS, 2 TYPES OF FLIES )
BACK : 5 EXERCISES ( BODY WEIGHT PULL UPS FOR WARMUP, UNDERHAND MACHINE PULL DOWN, STIFF ARM CABLE PULL DOWN , NORMAL LAT PULL DOWN , 2 EXERCISES FOR SOME KIND OF ROWING EITHER DUMBELL OR MACHINE )
LEGS: 6 EXERCISES ( LEG PRESS, A VARIATION OF MACHINE SQUAT , SMITH MACHINE SQUAT , LEG EXTENSION , HAMSTRING EXTENSION)
SHOUDLER: 4 EXRECISES ( SHOULDER PRESS DUMBELL OR MACHINE , LATERAL RAISES FREE WEIGHTS OR MACHINE , REAR DELT FLY WITH PEC DECK OR CABLES , DUMBELL SHURGS OR SMITH MACHINE SHRUGS
BICEPS: 3 EXERCISES ( DUMBELL CURLS , PREACHER CURLS AND HAMMER CURLS )
TRICEPS: ( OVERHEAD CABLE EXTENSION SINGLE HAND OR DOUBLE HAND , LAYING DOWN BARBELL PUSHDOWNS , STRAIGHT BAR PUSHDOWNS AND ROPE EXTENSIONS OR SINGLE HAND STRAIGHT PUSHDOWNS )
NOTE: In every workout only the first exercise of every part, i take 3 - 4 sets in order to warm up and to pyramid towards going heavy and then rest of the exercises are 2 sets each moderate to heavy weight trying to reach close to failure or failure , 2nd set is often divided further into a drop set . This might not be very clear in reading but this is how i can describe bcz never logged in workouts but will try to do it in future .

BLOODWORK : Last complete bloodwork like a general one was done 8-9 months back and doctor stated that everything is perfect .

NEED GUIDANCE AND ADVICE FROM SENIORS AND PROS.

P.S : In my 5 years of training , I am still not able to get a good defined physique like even the most basic one , idk why but my bodyfat is super stubborn , my current weight is 6 kg less of what i started at before cycle but the scale weight loss or numbers are not showing any cosmetic changes . Being super honest , I have tried every training style till now , 6-8 reps , strength training like even less than 6 reps , slow and controlled reps and many other styles like superset, the strength surely goes up but physique changes in the mirror are really stubborn.

@WEAKGUY_16974 welcome to evo man we are glad to have you here. Nice start to the log this will be fun to follow along

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

JUST A QUESTION FROM THE SENIORS , How do you guys manage any cheat meals during the cut or fat loss phase , like do you guys even take any cheat meal during this phase or just strict diet ?
@ballin2504
@codezz
@Mobster
@2Thick
@ROIDDERS
@Ulter
@toddthelineman
@Dreamer

 

[Dreamer]

JUST A QUESTION FROM THE SENIORS , How do you guys manage any cheat meals during the cut or fat loss phase , like do you guys even take any cheat meal during this phase or just strict diet ?
@ballin2504
@codezz
@Mobster
@2Thick
@ROIDDERS
@Ulter
@toddthelineman
@Dreamer

If you want my advice, the fact that your thinking to program in a cheat meal or have it on the mind before even starting is problematic, also not a real fan of the cheat meal idea, it breeds an unhealthy relationship with food.

My way of thinking is, alot of foods that people eat as cheats have no real place in a health focused diet, especially on steroids.

But life does happen, if you do happen to have a burger for example, eat the burger, enjoy it and move on, one meal will not even blip on a timeline of a full diet, the problem comes from programmed cheats where they are in there because theyre in there rather than creating healthy habits and good relationships with food.

You can cut on chocolate and candy, but your health will be fucked.
90% of your diet needs to be whole, healthy, nutritious food.

I have a “cheat” maybe once a month - but itll be because I have a birthday on or a work event etc where it isnt feasible to bring meal prep, but I make better choices where possible - grilled chicken burgers instead of cheeseburgers for example.

All depends what you want and how bad you want it.

 

[codezz]

JUST A QUESTION FROM THE SENIORS , How do you guys manage any cheat meals during the cut or fat loss phase , like do you guys even take any cheat meal during this phase or just strict diet ?
@ballin2504
@codezz
@Mobster
@2Thick
@ROIDDERS
@Ulter
@toddthelineman
@Dreamer

Brother in ur case I wouldnt do any cheat meals, ur body shows u arnt ready for the cheat meal, no offence man, just please super clean diet, and carido and training, nothing else needed!!! Then read up on everything and then re read it again untill ur knowledgeable, then do it again and again!!! Can't stress this enough,

If u must or need to have a cheat meal, try and keep it still clean, like chicken tenders in the airfryer but coat them with high protien corn chips so it looks like the deep fried ones... but the meal is more cleaner if u get me!!

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

Thanks for guiding , I am a person who can eat too much very easily like before my cheat meal used to be like sliders and fries and then some ice cream , ik ik this is too much and maybe wrong but it was once in a while so like what you stated a cheat meal should be avoided as long as possible and then it should be cleanest as possible like one single item such as a burger right?

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

Brother in ur case I wouldnt do any cheat meals, ur body shows u arnt ready for the cheat meal, no offence man, just please super clean diet, and carido and training, nothing else needed!!! Then read up on everything and then re read it again untill ur knowledgeable, then do it again and again!!! Can't stress this enough,

If u must or need to have a cheat meal, try and keep it still clean, like chicken tenders in the airfryer but coat them with high protien corn chips so it looks like the deep fried ones... but the meal is more cleaner if u get me!!

Ok I understand , thanks for guiding

 

[2Thick]

JUST A QUESTION FROM THE SENIORS , How do you guys manage any cheat meals during the cut or fat loss phase , like do you guys even take any cheat meal during this phase or just strict diet ?
@ballin2504
@codezz
@Mobster
@2Thick
@ROIDDERS
@Ulter
@toddthelineman
@Dreamer

there are healthier options for cheat meals. For example you can do a homemade pizza. Some of the guys on here have it posted on their logs.

 

[toddthelineman]

I am not ignoring the advice but maybe if you could understand from my mindset like I am already 3 weeks in this and like spent the money on the gear and like I don’t feel like coming just in the middle . On the other hand , I am fixing up my diet to more whole foods , veggies in meals , trying to add in fruits like whatevr I can fix within my affordability and budget and with the college student routine. I will add an update to my current routine on this log soon , with more detail like the foods and meals I am eating now and the macros , also I have increased my cardio in order to get in 10000 steps a day .

You know? If I have a “cheat meal” it’s really just because I’m literally desperate for food. And I don’t mean mentally, I mean I’ve been working really hard, and haven’t eaten a bite in 10-12 hours and my body is failing. The leanest I ever got, I was consistently eating about as much as I ever had in my life and was trying to gain weight without eating very much, if any, unhealthy food because my body doesn’t tolerate it well.

Your challenge is to keep your metabolism high while you are in a deficit. You do that by forcing it with activity and not being in too steep of a deficit. When your metabolism is very very good, you’re working out and have significant muscle, and you’re already lean and very insulin sensitive, a cheat meal here and there will go directly to your muscles. But not if you keep doing it. You’re not there.

You really want to make clean eating an all consuming part of your life and learn to love it. And you will! even simple things. Your taste buds and cravings will change but not if you don’t let them!

 

[toddthelineman]

Read the logs of those who are shredded and see what they do

I was thinking about this, but some of evos best physiques do use the words “cheat meal” in their logs. The difference here being: they are already super shredded competitors, and @WEAKGUY_16974 is juuuuust starting. His body is still craving food he simply doesn’t need.

For if he were to eat like I was in my first log, that would go really badly for him, even though I was trying to bulk and was getting leaner the whole time.

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

there are healthier options for cheat meals. For example you can do a homemade pizza. Some of the guys on here have it posted on

I was thinking about this, but some of evos best physiques do use the words “cheat meal” in their logs. The difference here being: they are already super shredded competitors, and @WEAKGUY_16974 is juuuuust starting. His body is still craving food he simply doesn’t need.

For if he were to eat like I was in my first log, that would go really badly for him, even though I was trying to bulk and was getting leaner the whole time.

Yeah exactly , like right now my body is craving like junk food and even like normal food with more sugar or like more sauces but I am trying hard not to get into that as long as possible , thats why asked this question.

 

[toddthelineman]

Another point I’d like to make that I haven’t seen anyone post yet, the testosterone and probably the tren too, are going to make you huuuuuungry. But this is going to put you in a real jam. Currently, your body wants to store fat. That’s what it does with your extra calories. Those hormones aren’t likely to change that. When I was on my first and last real cycle, I once ate a while pizza and a half. Not bs pizza. Huge, expensive, fancy, heavy pizzas. I’m not even a big guy. The only thing that stopped me from eating more was the three other people also eating the other one and a half pizza and they were all… fat people. By the time I cut my cycle short it was the first time in my life I couldn’t see my abs in a relaxed state.

 

[toddthelineman]

Yeah exactly , like right now my body is craving like junk food and even like normal food with more sugar or like more sauces but I am trying hard not to get into that as long as possible , thats why asked this question.

I think you are a prime candidate for Reta. If you keep going with your cycle you REALLY. Won’t want to stop because of the hormonal crash from the longer you are on. You’ve got time to pull the plug but not much. Save it for later and the reward will be 100% instead of literally negative

 

[codezz]

I think you are a prime candidate for Reta. If you keep going with your cycle you REALLY. Won’t want to stop because of the hormonal crash from the longer you are on. You’ve got time to pull the plug but not much. Save it for later and the reward will be 100% instead of literally negative

100% needs to stop the cycle i believe, get the body in check, use a little bit of Retatrutide, fuck man @WEAKGUY_16974 if u are in Aus and got lack of funds ill post u some Retatrutide to help u man!! Just please

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

I think you are a prime candidate for Reta. If you keep going with your cycle you REALLY. Won’t want to stop because of the hormonal crash from the longer you are on. You’ve got time to pull the plug but not much. Save it for later and the reward will be 100% instead of literally negative

Is it

I think you are a prime candidate for Reta. If you keep going with your cycle you REALLY. Won’t want to stop because of the hormonal crash from the longer you are on. You’ve got time to pull the plug but not much. Save it for later and the reward will be 100% instead of literally negative

just curious why does everyone say that tren is good for cutting and like it should be used while you are leaning down even if it is only for like competition prep as you said its making me hungry so why is it used for cutting ?

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

100% needs to stop the cycle i believe, get the body in check, use a little bit of Retatrutide, fuck man @WEAKGUY_16974 if u are in Aus and got lack of funds ill post u some Retatrutide to help u man!! Just please

I am living in Canada

 

[codezz]

I am living in Canada

Ok well I cant help u with the Retatrutide bit please just listen to all the advice

 

[milbous1]

JUST A QUESTION FROM THE SENIORS , How do you guys manage any cheat meals during the cut or fat loss phase , like do you guys even take any cheat meal during this phase or just strict diet ?
@ballin2504
@codezz
@Mobster
@2Thick
@ROIDDERS
@Ulter
@toddthelineman
@Dreamer

when i started my weight loss journey from 255 down to 209 pounds. I did keto. less than 25 grams of carbs a day. my cheat day was once every two weeks it consisted of something like one reese’s peanut butter cup. One twix bar. not a package one individual cup or bar every two weeks i followed that diet for 4 months. I did cardio 4 days a week for 30 minutes 25 of those minutes my heart beat was above 135 tried to keep it above 145. I worked out 4-5 days a week for a hour or so. Buy yourself a food scale get the app chronometer and weight and log everything. I was 285 at my heaviest. It takes discipline. No soda at all. water only and sugar free electrolytes. You really can’t have cheat days or meals until you have discipline. lots of chicken breast and vegetables. fruits like berries. a banana pre workout. You honestly would be better off using Reta and figuring your diet out. It’s awesome you are taking the steps to get healthy. No fried foods, no processed foods, no fast food, lean meat leafy greens,vegetables and berries. The diet gets boring but you have to choose what you want a six pack or a keg. A chest or moobs. After you get some discipline you can throw a cheat day in once every two weeks once you get some definition you can throw a cheat meal in once a week. the elliptical, stair stepper are your new best friends.

 

[toddthelineman]

Is it

just curious why does everyone say that tren is good for cutting and like it should be used while you are leaning down even if it is only for like competition prep as you said its making me hungry so why is it used for cutting ?

Valid question. It’s used to preserve muscle while cutting, yes, but this is done correctly by pro body builders and serious, advanced enthusiasts.

We just had a guy a few months ago, he was an academic and he came with questions and didn’t get what he wanted for answers and more or less proclaimed that he was smarter than the experienced people here. He continued with his ultra low calorie/high tren protocol, and then he came back not doing well but still not listening. It was wild!

For you to maintain a deep cut for the amount of time it’s going to take, and on tren for even a shorter time… it’s just not going to work. I’m aware of some influencer types that have lost a lot of weight on tren. I’m also aware that some people have won the lottery, but I don’t know how many tickets they bought or how many millions of others failed.

But back to the point, it does make you hungry! Even hypoglycemic! So advanced PED users have experience and techniques and lifestyles fully dialed in to make it work.

 

[toddthelineman]

Is it

Is it negative? Yes! You can’t stay on tren forever. Not even very long. The rebound will be legendary. You will be much less healthy than you started. Definitely will have side effects, possibly permanent. I’m really not overhyping. This is real

 

[Ulter]

JUST A QUESTION FROM THE SENIORS , How do you guys manage any cheat meals during the cut or fat loss phase , like do you guys even take any cheat meal during this phase or just strict diet ?
@ballin2504
@codezz
@Mobster
@2Thick
@ROIDDERS
@Ulter
@toddthelineman
@Dreamer

I don't believe in cheat meals. That's for the weak.

 

[ROIDDERS]

JUST A QUESTION FROM THE SENIORS , How do you guys manage any cheat meals during the cut or fat loss phase , like do you guys even take any cheat meal during this phase or just strict diet ?
@ballin2504
@codezz
@Mobster
@2Thick
@ROIDDERS
@Ulter
@toddthelineman
@Dreamer

there are some healthier options for cheat meals. You can make a lot of foods that are considered cheap meals and make them in a healthy way. Things like cheeseburgers, wings, and even pizza can be made healthy.

 

[2Thick]

Yeah exactly , like right now my body is craving like junk food and even like normal food with more sugar or like more sauces but I am trying hard not to get into that as long as possible , thats why asked this question.

yes you can make your own pizza it tastes really good

 

[codezz]

Hows the last few days been @WEAKGUY_16974

 

[fingers86]

Mate, these guys know what they are on about. Most are seasone body builders. Im trying to get down to 15% bodyfat asap and they told me no training for 3 days. Guess what? I didnt balloon up like i thought i would and i hit it hard again today. U are playing with potentially dangerous peds if you dont know what you are doing. Do you want a heart attack? Or wreck your joints? Your body but plrase dont just brush them off.