Gyno

[Acerico34]

So I’ve had some gyno form probably starting the end of last year around December. Idk what led me to not takle it at the time, I guess I’d previously ran up to 500mg test ( lower BF then) very little AI and also 1200mg in my early 20s without AI. I was running test prop and NPP at 350/350mg but upped to 490npp and 590test for maybe 2 weeks. Suspect this is where it started. Fast forward to a last few months I started nolva at 40mg split am /pm for a month and managed to clear up ~80%. The last bit on my right nipple bothers me. Finished my Nolva, currently taking 1mg Adex 3/4 times a week and on 725mg test/430 NPP. Question is what would be the best thing going forward, Letro, carry on with Adex, or Ralox. Also if my gyno has been there about 6-8 months BUT managed to get rid of a good amount of it, is there any chance to rid it all through either SERMs or losing BF?

 

[s.gentz]

So I’ve had some gyno form probably starting the end of last year around December. Idk what led me to not takle it at the time, I guess I’d previously ran up to 500mg test ( lower BF then) very little AI and also 1200mg in my early 20s without AI. I was running test prop and NPP at 350/350mg but upped to 490npp and 590test for maybe 2 weeks. Suspect this is where it started. Fast forward to a last few months I started nolva at 40mg split am /pm for a month and managed to clear up ~80%. The last bit on my right nipple bothers me. Finished my Nolva, currently taking 1mg Adex 3/4 times a week and on 725mg test/430 NPP. Question is what would be the best thing going forward, Letro, carry on with Adex, or Ralox. Also if my gyno has been there about 6-8 months BUT managed to get rid of a good amount of it, is there any chance to rid it all through either SERMs or losing BF?

The longer it has been there the more difficult to get rid of it. You'll need to keep estrogen down with AI and then continue with a SERM.
Is surgery an option for you? If you want to keep taking gear your going to keep battling this. I had the surgery 10-12 years ago and don't have to worry about it anymore. If you tell the doctor that it is panful they should be able to get it done through insurance. Surgery/recovery is easy. Just need to take a few weeks off.
Def something to think about.

 

[Acerico34]

The longer it has been there the more difficult to get rid of it. You'll need to keep estrogen down with AI and then continue with a SERM.
Is surgery an option for you? If you want to keep taking gear your going to keep battling this. I had the surgery 10-12 years ago and don't have to worry about it anymore. If you tell the doctor that it is panful they should be able to get it done through insurance. Surgery/recovery is easy. Just need to take a few weeks off.
Def something to think about.

If I could get surgery through insurance I’d do it quicker than I was thinking, it’s not noticeable at all if I don’t do certain poses and flex hard etc. it’s painful in the case where for example a family member gave me an overly tight hug and had to tell them stop. Thanks for sharing this, $ is what was preventing me considering surgery any time soon but I do have good insurance.

 

[s.gentz]

If I could get surgery through insurance I’d do it quicker than I was thinking, it’s not noticeable at all if I don’t do certain poses and flex hard etc. it’s painful in the case where for example a family member gave me an overly tight hug and had to tell them stop. Thanks for sharing this, $ is what was preventing me considering surgery any time soon but I do have good insurance.

if you tell the doctor it's "painful" then they can usually get insurance to cover.

 

[RoidRage69]

That was a lot of NPP you were using. You need to use vit B6 and P5P. The amount of test was also high. You should have been using an AI from the start.

 

[stevesmi]

The best solution to gyno is not getting it in the first place.

Once you do get it I would bomb it out with anti gyno stack

 

[dylangemelli]

Chances of surgery getting paid by insurance is very very slim.. as is the likelihood of getting rid of it with any kind of drugs.. its not impossible but after this long, its definitely unlikely.. i had it from puberty and i paid 4500 with one of the best plastic surgeons in las vegas to have mine done.. super easy, less than 45 minutes and i was awake the entire time.. I couldn't weight train for about 3.5 weeks and started doing cardio again in under 3 weeks

 

[Acerico34]

That was a lot of NPP you were using. You need to use vit B6 and P5P. The amount of test was also high. You should have been using an AI from the start.

590mg Test high? I mean maybe in combination with 490NPP, otherwise I’m running 725 and 455 now.

 

[Acerico34]

That was a lot of NPP you were using. You need to use vit B6 and P5P. The amount of test was also high. You should have been using an AI from the start.

I haven’t been on top of my ancillary/supplement game this past year. Still adjusting to life in the U.S. getting to it though.

 

[Acerico34]

The best solution to gyno is not getting it in the first place.

Once you do get it I would bomb it out with anti gyno stack

I know I know, have never even had so much as an itch before, always had all my ancillaries on hand. Have ran 500mg Test+ Anadrol in past and maybe needed 1mg Adex a week. Even that was precautionary rather than necessary. Was out the gear gane and training for 3 years all together post a spine injury.

What would you do for an anti gyno stack? Got Adex atm nothing else, can speed order of course.

 

[Acerico34]

should probably reduce my NPP dose down to 350 max as I’m managing to eat much better now, do not need this amount of gear, I got 12kg bigger and leaner in 2020 with just 350-500mg Test and orals.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

So I’ve had some gyno form probably starting the end of last year around December. Idk what led me to not takle it at the time, I guess I’d previously ran up to 500mg test ( lower BF then) very little AI and also 1200mg in my early 20s without AI. I was running test prop and NPP at 350/350mg but upped to 490npp and 590test for maybe 2 weeks. Suspect this is where it started. Fast forward to a last few months I started nolva at 40mg split am /pm for a month and managed to clear up ~80%. The last bit on my right nipple bothers me. Finished my Nolva, currently taking 1mg Adex 3/4 times a week and on 725mg test/430 NPP. Question is what would be the best thing going forward, Letro, carry on with Adex, or Ralox. Also if my gyno has been there about 6-8 months BUT managed to get rid of a good amount of it, is there any chance to rid it all through either SERMs or losing BF?

If I could get surgery through insurance I’d do it quicker than I was thinking, it’s not noticeable at all if I don’t do certain poses and flex hard etc. it’s painful in the case where for example a family member gave me an overly tight hug and had to tell them stop. Thanks for sharing this, $ is what was preventing me considering surgery any time soon but I do have good insurance.

@Acerico34 to be honest I'd like this discussion in your log more for continuation
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-testosterone-propionate-npp-winstrol-cycle-log.96749/

but I just saw you had a root canal issue so maybe thats why you didnt update the LOG, please update it more for us
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ate-npp-winstrol-cycle-log.96749/post-1586815

on the Gynecomastia situation, if you can do surgery thats the easiest
but if you cannot, I would cut the testosterone dose and use tamoxifen longer term and NEVER use letrozole even for gyno no need
and we need to see your bloods maybe your gyno is prolactin caused not E2 caused, lets see the bloods
e2/progesterone/prolactin and lh/fsh would be nice with t3/t4

 

[Acerico34]

@Acerico34 to be honest I'd like this discussion in your log more for continuation
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-testosterone-propionate-npp-winstrol-cycle-log.96749/

but I just saw you had a root canal issue so maybe thats why you didnt update the LOG, please update it more for us
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ate-npp-winstrol-cycle-log.96749/post-1586815

on the Gynecomastia situation, if you can do surgery thats the easiest
but if you cannot, I would cut the testosterone dose and use tamoxifen longer term and NEVER use letrozole even for gyno no need
and we need to see your bloods maybe your gyno is prolactin caused not E2 caused, lets see the bloods
e2/progesterone/prolactin and lh/fsh would be nice with t3/t4

So I bought a blood test last week to run earlier on Monday but put it on pause with my teeth issues. Unfortunately I fkd up a little was shopping to find the best price that included everything you listed apart from progesterone and thyroid hormones. Wanted to make sure my HCG is legit and also see prolactin ( I thought progesterone/prolactin were the same thing and it was prolactin I needed to see) in the end what I got is only Test, E2, prolactin, SHGB, Albumin, I figured I can use a pregnancy test for the HCG legitimacy. I could’ve paid a bit more and got a more comprehensive test.. been such an expensive past 2 weeks with car repair, dentist bill, and much more

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

So I bought a blood test last week to run earlier on Monday but put it on pause with my teeth issues. Unfortunately I fkd up a little was shopping to find the best price that included everything you listed apart from progesterone and thyroid hormones. Wanted to make sure my HCG is legit and also see prolactin ( I thought progesterone/prolactin were the same thing and it was prolactin I needed to see) in the end what I got is only Test, E2, prolactin, SHGB, Albumin, I figured I can use a pregnancy test for the HCG legitimacy. I could’ve paid a bit more and got a more comprehensive test.. been such an expensive past 2 weeks with car repair, dentist bill, and much more

lets finish the situation with your teeth first but tamoxifen I would be using it constantly @Acerico34

 

[Acerico34]

lets finish the situation with your teeth first but tamoxifen I would be using it constantly @Acerico34

Teeth are under control now, I hope , so you think I should get hold of more nolva and keep running 40mg daily along with Adex ( have upped it to eod with jabs atm) going in for bloods in morning

 

[Mobster]

Just as an aside: few can do without an AI and even less can get away without one each and every time. I've never understood the not using one.

 

[zedhed]

if i'm you i get on letro and nolvadex
surgery is always a last resort

 

[caligirl85]

my ex has gyno and i made fun of him for it
that is the first time he struck me

 

[Shrine]

gyno is no joke
you will want to try the anti gyno stack first

 

[Zyglamail]

Surgery should always be the last option no matter what
you never want someone opening you up with a knife