Approved Log My 1st Pre cycle Log

[Sir Lancelot]

Hello i'm a newcomer here and after i posted a short thread for some advice, i was directed here to post a bunch of information before i "take the plunge"
Basically want to try a Sarms only cycle at first to test acne tolerance.

Age: 34
5'9"
200Lbs
---------------Plan:
"Cycle" 1 8 Weeks

• LGD-4033 10-20mg/day
• Ostarine 10-20mg/day
• Cardarine 15mg/day (Weeks 4-8)
• N2Guard

PCT/Follow up "Cycle" 8 Weeks

• MK-677 15-20mg/day
• Cardarine 15mg/day (Weeks 8-12)
• N2Guard

PCT: Nolvadex or Clomid(Based on what yall think after seeing my labs.) / N2Guard for 4-6Weeks.
- I did read the "perfect PCT" thing listed in the forums, but i felt like it didnt really apply for a sarms only cycle

Other Supplements: Currently dont take anything besides Creatine @5g/Day + BCAA;s. Interested in what everyone here thinks i should add.

---------------Current Workout Routine:
-Most sets are try for 4x10. usually ends up like.. 10-9-7-6 Roughly
-Stairstepper or Treadmill Incline walk 4x/Week
-Some variation, but generally->

Workout 1 – Push​

Bench Press
Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press
Incline Dumbbell Press
Side Lateral Raises
Triceps Pressdowns
Overhead Triceps Extension

Workout 2 – Pull​

Bent-over Row
Lat Pulldown
Barbell Shrugs
Face Pulls
Barbell Curl
Dumbbell Hammer Curl

Workout 3 – Legs/Abs​

Hack or Highbar Squats
Romanian or Regular Deadlifts
Leg Ext/Press
Leg Curl?Press
Calf Raise
Hanging Leg Raise
Weighted Crunches

Day 4-6 Repeat. Day 7 Rest​

---------------Example Diet/Meal plan(Recomp)
Target calories and macros
2800 calories
Protein ~ 250 grams
Carbs ~ 165 grams
Fat ~ 110 grams


Meal 1:
1 cup egg whites
1 cup oatmeal (measured dry)
1 (30g) scoop whey
(520 calories/ 3g fat/ 60g carbs/ 63g protein)

Meal 2:
3 fried eggs
3 thick strips of bacon
1 Apple/banana
(580 calories/ 36g fat/ 25g carbs/ 36g protein)

Meal 3:
8oz. chicken breast (roasted/ broiled or baked, no skin)
1 cup blueberries/ blackberries
2 cups of leafy greens (spinach, kale, lettuce, romaine)
(400 calories/ 6g fat/ 21g carbs/ 60g protein)

Meal 4:
8oz. beef steak, pan fried
1 cup rice (measured cooked)
8-12 asparagus spears
(750 calories/ 38g fat/ 33g carbs/ 70g protein)

Meal 5:
1 (30g) scoop whey, 1 pop tart
(315 calories/ 6g fat/ 28g carbs/ 29g protein)

Snack:
30 almonds roasted
1 Cup Broccoli
(200 calories/ 20g fat/ 12g carbs/ 10g protein)

Attached is what my results look like on the VA website. so i copied and pasted them all in the next post.

 

[Sir Lancelot]

Hello i'm a newcomer here and after i posted a short thread for some advice, i was directed here to post a bunch of information before i "take the plunge"
Basically want to try a Sarms only cycle at first to test acne tolerance.

Age: 34
5'9"
200Lbs
---------------Plan:
"Cycle" 1 8 Weeks

• LGD-4033 10-20mg/day
• Ostarine 10-20mg/day
• Cardarine 15mg/day (Weeks 4-8)
• N2Guard

PCT/Follow up "Cycle" 8 Weeks

• MK-677 15-20mg/day
• Cardarine 15mg/day (Weeks 8-12)
• N2Guard

PCT: Nolvadex or Clomid(Based on what yall think after seeing my labs.) / N2Guard for 4-6Weeks.
- I did read the "perfect PCT" thing listed in the forums, but i felt like it didnt really apply for a sarms only cycle

Other Supplements: Currently dont take anything besides Creatine @5g/Day + BCAA;s. Interested in what everyone here thinks i should add.

---------------Current Workout Routine:
-Most sets are try for 4x10. usually ends up like.. 10-9-7-6 Roughly
-Stairstepper or Treadmill Incline walk 4x/Week
-Some variation, but generally->

Workout 1 – Push​

Bench Press
Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press
Incline Dumbbell Press
Side Lateral Raises
Triceps Pressdowns
Overhead Triceps Extension

Workout 2 – Pull​

Bent-over Row
Lat Pulldown
Barbell Shrugs
Face Pulls
Barbell Curl
Dumbbell Hammer Curl

Workout 3 – Legs/Abs​

Hack or Highbar Squats
Romanian or Regular Deadlifts
Leg Ext/Press
Leg Curl?Press
Calf Raise
Hanging Leg Raise
Weighted Crunches

Day 4-6 Repeat. Day 7 Rest​

---------------Example Diet/Meal plan(Recomp)
Target calories and macros
2800 calories
Protein ~ 250 grams
Carbs ~ 165 grams
Fat ~ 110 grams


Meal 1:
1 cup egg whites
1 cup oatmeal (measured dry)
1 (30g) scoop whey
(520 calories/ 3g fat/ 60g carbs/ 63g protein)

Meal 2:
3 fried eggs
3 thick strips of bacon
1 Apple/banana
(580 calories/ 36g fat/ 25g carbs/ 36g protein)

Meal 3:
8oz. chicken breast (roasted/ broiled or baked, no skin)
1 cup blueberries/ blackberries
2 cups of leafy greens (spinach, kale, lettuce, romaine)
(400 calories/ 6g fat/ 21g carbs/ 60g protein)

Meal 4:
8oz. beef steak, pan fried
1 cup rice (measured cooked)
8-12 asparagus spears
(750 calories/ 38g fat/ 33g carbs/ 70g protein)

Meal 5:
1 (30g) scoop whey, 1 pop tart
(315 calories/ 6g fat/ 28g carbs/ 29g protein)

Snack:
30 almonds roasted
1 Cup Broccoli
(200 calories/ 20g fat/ 12g carbs/ 10g protein)

Attached is what my results look like on the VA website. so i copied and pasted them all in the next post.

Bilirubin Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Clarity Urine	Clear Reference Range is not available for this result.
Color Urine	Pale Straw Reference Range is not available for this result.
Glucose Quantitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Hemoglobin Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Ketones Qualitative Urine	20 mg/dL High​ High Reference Range is not available for this result.
Leukocyte Esterase Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Nitrite Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
pH Quantitative Urine	6.0 Reference Range: 5 - 9
Protein Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Specific Gravity Quantitative Urine	1.015 Low​ Low Reference Range: 1.016 - 1.022
Urobilinogen Quantitative Urine	NORMAL Reference Range is not available for this result.
25-Hydroxyvitamin D3 Quantitative Serum	24.1 ng/mL Reference Range: 21 ng/mL - 50 ng/mL
Alanine Aminotransferase (ALT/SGPT) Quantitative Serum	37 units/L Reference Range: 10 units/L - 55 units/L
Albumin Quantitative Serum	4.7 g/dl High​ High Reference Range: 3.4 g/dl - 4.5 g/dl
Alkaline Phosphatase Quantitative Serum	94 units/L Reference Range: 50 units/L - 136 units/L
Aspartate Aminotransferase (AST/SGOT) Quantitative Serum	31 units/L Reference Range: 6 units/L - 32 units/L
Bilirubin Quantitative Serum	1.1 mg/dl Reference Range: 0.3 mg/dl - 1.2 mg/dl
Blood Urea Nitrogen (BUN) Quantitative Serum	15 mg/dl Reference Range: 9 mg/dl - 26 mg/dl
Calcium Quantitative Serum	10.1 mg/dL Reference Range: 8.3 mg/dL - 10.6 mg/dL
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Quantitative Serum	28 mEq/L Reference Range: 22 mEq/L - 32 mEq/L
Chloride Quantitative Serum	105 mEq/L Reference Range: 97 mEq/L - 109 mEq/L
Cholesterol HDL Quantitative Serum	38.6 mg/dL Reference Range is not available for this result.
Cholesterol LDL Quantitative Serum	172 mg/dL High​ High Reference Range is not available for this result.
Cholesterol Quantitative Serum	227 mg/dl High​ High Reference Range: 0 mg/dl - 200 mg/dl
Creatinine Quantitative Serum	1.19 mg/dl Reference Range: 0.5 mg/dl - 1.2 mg/dl
Estimated Glomerular Filtration Rate (eGFR) Quantitative Serum	83 mL/min Low​ Low Reference Range is not available for this result.
Folate Quantitative Serum	10.2 ng/mL Reference Range is not available for this result.
Glucose Quantitative Serum	81 mg/dl Reference Range: 70 mg/dl - 140 mg/dl
Potassium Quantitative Serum	4.9 mEq/L Reference Range: 3.8 mEq/L - 5.1 mEq/L
Protein Quantitative Serum	7.7 g/dL Reference Range: 6.3 g/dL - 8 g/dL
Sodium Quantitative Serum	141 mEq/L Reference Range: 135 mEq/L - 145 mEq/L
Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) Quantitative Serum	1.12 uIU/ml Reference Range: 0.4 uIU/ml - 4 uIU/ml
Triglycerides Quantitative Serum	102 mg/dl Reference Range: 30 mg/dl - 150 mg/dl
Vitamin B12 (Cobalamin) Quantitative Serum	913 pg/ml High​ High Reference Range: 211 pg/ml - 911 pg/ml
Basophils % Blood	0.6 % Reference Range: 0 % - 2 %
Basophils Quantitative Whole Blood	0 K/mm3 Reference Range: 0 K/mm3 - 0.3 K/mm3
Eosinophils % Whole Blood	1.9 % Reference Range: 0.7 % - 6.6 %
Eosinophils Quantitative Whole Blood	0.1 K/mm3 Reference Range: 0.1 K/mm3 - 0.5 K/mm3
Hematocrit % Whole Blood	48.3 % Reference Range: 38 % - 50 %
Hemoglobin Quantitative Whole Blood	16.3 g/dL Reference Range: 13.5 g/dL - 17 g/dL
Immature Granulocytes %	0.8 % Reference Range: 0 % - 1 %
Immature Granulocytes Blood	0.05 K/mm3 Reference Range: 0 K/mm3 - 0.08 K/mm3
Lymphocytes % Blood	22.5 % Reference Range: 16 % - 40 %
Lymphocytes Quantitative Blood	1.4 K/mm3 Reference Range: 1 K/mm3 - 3 K/mm3
Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin (MCH) Quantitative Red Blood Cells	28.7 pg Reference Range: 27 pg - 33 pg
Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin Concentration (MCHC) Quantitative Red Blood Cells	33.7 g/dL Reference Range: 32.6 g/dL - 34.7 g/dL
Mean Corpuscular Volume (MCV) Quantitative Blood Red Blood Cells	85.2 fl Reference Range: 83 fl - 98 fl
Mean Platelet Volume (MPV) Quantitative Blood	9.4 fl Reference Range: 9 fl - 12.6 fl
Monocytes % Blood	9.6 % Reference Range: 5.5 % - 13.5 %
Neutrophils % Whole Blood	64.6 % Reference Range: 45 % - 72 %
Neutrophils Quantitative Blood	4 K/mm3 Reference Range: 2.4 K/mm3 - 6.8 K/mm3
Platelets Quantitative Blood	246 K/mm3 Reference Range: 140 K/mm3 - 375 K/mm3
Red Blood Cell Distribution Width (RDW) Ratio Red Blood Cells	11.9 % Reference Range: 11.7 % - 14 %
Red Blood Cells (RBCs) Quantitative Whole Blood	5.67 M/mm3 High​ High Reference Range: 4.3 M/mm3 - 5.5 M/mm3
White Blood Cells (WBCs) Quantitative Whole Blood	6.3 K/mm3 Reference Range: 4.4 K/mm3 - 10.7 K/mm3
Hemoglobin A1c % Blood	5.1 % Reference Range: 4.4 % - 6.6 %
Adrenocorticotropic hormone	40pg/mL Reference Range: 7-69 pg/mL
Estradiol	30pg/mL Reference Range: 10-50 pg/mL

Free T32.8pg/mL

Reference Range: 2.3-4.2 pg/mL

Free T41.2 ng/dL

Reference Range: 0.8-1.8 ng/dL

Follicle-stimulating hormone7.2IU/L

Reference Range: 1.42-15.4 IU/L

Growth Hormone(Fasting)3 ng/mL

Reference Range: < 5 ng/mL

Progesterone33 ng/dL

Reference Range: 10-50 ng/dL

Prolactine8 ng/mL

Reference Range: 3-13 ng/mL

Testosterone707 ng/dL

Reference Range: 291-1100 ng/dL

Thyroxine-binding globulin20 µg/mL

Reference Range: 12-27 µg/mL

Thyroid-stimulating hormone2.2 μU/mL

Reference Range: 0.5-4.0 μU/mL

Total T48 mcg/dL

Reference Range: 4-12 mcg/dL

Total T3107 ng/dL

Reference Range: Total T3: 80-180 ng/dL

Formatting got Weird there at the end, is this sufficient?

 

[Sir Lancelot]

Bilirubin Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Clarity Urine	Clear Reference Range is not available for this result.
Color Urine	Pale Straw Reference Range is not available for this result.
Glucose Quantitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Hemoglobin Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Ketones Qualitative Urine	20 mg/dL High​ High Reference Range is not available for this result.
Leukocyte Esterase Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Nitrite Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
pH Quantitative Urine	6.0 Reference Range: 5 - 9
Protein Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Specific Gravity Quantitative Urine	1.015 Low​ Low Reference Range: 1.016 - 1.022
Urobilinogen Quantitative Urine	NORMAL Reference Range is not available for this result.
25-Hydroxyvitamin D3 Quantitative Serum	24.1 ng/mL Reference Range: 21 ng/mL - 50 ng/mL
Alanine Aminotransferase (ALT/SGPT) Quantitative Serum	37 units/L Reference Range: 10 units/L - 55 units/L
Albumin Quantitative Serum	4.7 g/dl High​ High Reference Range: 3.4 g/dl - 4.5 g/dl
Alkaline Phosphatase Quantitative Serum	94 units/L Reference Range: 50 units/L - 136 units/L
Aspartate Aminotransferase (AST/SGOT) Quantitative Serum	31 units/L Reference Range: 6 units/L - 32 units/L
Bilirubin Quantitative Serum	1.1 mg/dl Reference Range: 0.3 mg/dl - 1.2 mg/dl
Blood Urea Nitrogen (BUN) Quantitative Serum	15 mg/dl Reference Range: 9 mg/dl - 26 mg/dl
Calcium Quantitative Serum	10.1 mg/dL Reference Range: 8.3 mg/dL - 10.6 mg/dL
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Quantitative Serum	28 mEq/L Reference Range: 22 mEq/L - 32 mEq/L
Chloride Quantitative Serum	105 mEq/L Reference Range: 97 mEq/L - 109 mEq/L
Cholesterol HDL Quantitative Serum	38.6 mg/dL Reference Range is not available for this result.
Cholesterol LDL Quantitative Serum	172 mg/dL High​ High Reference Range is not available for this result.
Cholesterol Quantitative Serum	227 mg/dl High​ High Reference Range: 0 mg/dl - 200 mg/dl
Creatinine Quantitative Serum	1.19 mg/dl Reference Range: 0.5 mg/dl - 1.2 mg/dl
Estimated Glomerular Filtration Rate (eGFR) Quantitative Serum	83 mL/min Low​ Low Reference Range is not available for this result.
Folate Quantitative Serum	10.2 ng/mL Reference Range is not available for this result.
Glucose Quantitative Serum	81 mg/dl Reference Range: 70 mg/dl - 140 mg/dl
Potassium Quantitative Serum	4.9 mEq/L Reference Range: 3.8 mEq/L - 5.1 mEq/L
Protein Quantitative Serum	7.7 g/dL Reference Range: 6.3 g/dL - 8 g/dL
Sodium Quantitative Serum	141 mEq/L Reference Range: 135 mEq/L - 145 mEq/L
Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) Quantitative Serum	1.12 uIU/ml Reference Range: 0.4 uIU/ml - 4 uIU/ml
Triglycerides Quantitative Serum	102 mg/dl Reference Range: 30 mg/dl - 150 mg/dl
Vitamin B12 (Cobalamin) Quantitative Serum	913 pg/ml High​ High Reference Range: 211 pg/ml - 911 pg/ml
Basophils % Blood	0.6 % Reference Range: 0 % - 2 %
Basophils Quantitative Whole Blood	0 K/mm3 Reference Range: 0 K/mm3 - 0.3 K/mm3
Eosinophils % Whole Blood	1.9 % Reference Range: 0.7 % - 6.6 %
Eosinophils Quantitative Whole Blood	0.1 K/mm3 Reference Range: 0.1 K/mm3 - 0.5 K/mm3
Hematocrit % Whole Blood	48.3 % Reference Range: 38 % - 50 %
Hemoglobin Quantitative Whole Blood	16.3 g/dL Reference Range: 13.5 g/dL - 17 g/dL
Immature Granulocytes %	0.8 % Reference Range: 0 % - 1 %
Immature Granulocytes Blood	0.05 K/mm3 Reference Range: 0 K/mm3 - 0.08 K/mm3
Lymphocytes % Blood	22.5 % Reference Range: 16 % - 40 %
Lymphocytes Quantitative Blood	1.4 K/mm3 Reference Range: 1 K/mm3 - 3 K/mm3
Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin (MCH) Quantitative Red Blood Cells	28.7 pg Reference Range: 27 pg - 33 pg
Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin Concentration (MCHC) Quantitative Red Blood Cells	33.7 g/dL Reference Range: 32.6 g/dL - 34.7 g/dL
Mean Corpuscular Volume (MCV) Quantitative Blood Red Blood Cells	85.2 fl Reference Range: 83 fl - 98 fl
Mean Platelet Volume (MPV) Quantitative Blood	9.4 fl Reference Range: 9 fl - 12.6 fl
Monocytes % Blood	9.6 % Reference Range: 5.5 % - 13.5 %
Neutrophils % Whole Blood	64.6 % Reference Range: 45 % - 72 %
Neutrophils Quantitative Blood	4 K/mm3 Reference Range: 2.4 K/mm3 - 6.8 K/mm3
Platelets Quantitative Blood	246 K/mm3 Reference Range: 140 K/mm3 - 375 K/mm3
Red Blood Cell Distribution Width (RDW) Ratio Red Blood Cells	11.9 % Reference Range: 11.7 % - 14 %
Red Blood Cells (RBCs) Quantitative Whole Blood	5.67 M/mm3 High​ High Reference Range: 4.3 M/mm3 - 5.5 M/mm3
White Blood Cells (WBCs) Quantitative Whole Blood	6.3 K/mm3 Reference Range: 4.4 K/mm3 - 10.7 K/mm3
Hemoglobin A1c % Blood	5.1 % Reference Range: 4.4 % - 6.6 %
Adrenocorticotropic hormone	40pg/mL Reference Range: 7-69 pg/mL
Estradiol	30pg/mL Reference Range: 10-50 pg/mL

Free T32.8pg/mL

Reference Range: 2.3-4.2 pg/mL

Free T41.2 ng/dL

Reference Range: 0.8-1.8 ng/dL

Follicle-stimulating hormone7.2IU/L

Reference Range: 1.42-15.4 IU/L

Growth Hormone(Fasting)3 ng/mL

Reference Range: < 5 ng/mL

Progesterone33 ng/dL

Reference Range: 10-50 ng/dL

Prolactine8 ng/mL

Reference Range: 3-13 ng/mL

Testosterone707 ng/dL

Reference Range: 291-1100 ng/dL

Thyroxine-binding globulin20 µg/mL

Reference Range: 12-27 µg/mL

Thyroid-stimulating hormone2.2 μU/mL

Reference Range: 0.5-4.0 μU/mL

Total T48 mcg/dL

Reference Range: 4-12 mcg/dL

Total T3107 ng/dL

Reference Range: Total T3: 80-180 ng/dL

Formatting got Weird there at the end, is this sufficient?

I was also fasted for 48hrs when i got this taken, so that might help explain the Cholesterol.

 

[Sir Lancelot]

I was also fasted for 48hrs when i got this taken, so that might help explain the Cholesterol.

Dont have a log for it but i easily get 8 hours of sleep per night.

 

[R.AP]

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Hello i'm a newcomer here and after i posted a short thread for some advice, i was directed here to post a bunch of information before i "take the plunge"
Basically want to try a Sarms only cycle at first to test acne tolerance.

Age: 34
5'9"
200Lbs
---------------Plan:
"Cycle" 1 8 Weeks

• LGD-4033 10-20mg/day
• Ostarine 10-20mg/day
• Cardarine 15mg/day (Weeks 4-8)
• N2Guard

PCT/Follow up "Cycle" 8 Weeks

• MK-677 15-20mg/day
• Cardarine 15mg/day (Weeks 8-12)
• N2Guard

PCT: Nolvadex or Clomid(Based on what yall think after seeing my labs.) / N2Guard for 4-6Weeks.
- I did read the "perfect PCT" thing listed in the forums, but i felt like it didnt really apply for a sarms only cycle

Other Supplements: Currently dont take anything besides Creatine @5g/Day + BCAA;s. Interested in what everyone here thinks i should add.

---------------Current Workout Routine:
-Most sets are try for 4x10. usually ends up like.. 10-9-7-6 Roughly
-Stairstepper or Treadmill Incline walk 4x/Week
-Some variation, but generally->

Workout 1 – Push​

Bench Press
Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press
Incline Dumbbell Press
Side Lateral Raises
Triceps Pressdowns
Overhead Triceps Extension

Workout 2 – Pull​

Bent-over Row
Lat Pulldown
Barbell Shrugs
Face Pulls
Barbell Curl
Dumbbell Hammer Curl

Workout 3 – Legs/Abs​

Hack or Highbar Squats
Romanian or Regular Deadlifts
Leg Ext/Press
Leg Curl?Press
Calf Raise
Hanging Leg Raise
Weighted Crunches

Day 4-6 Repeat. Day 7 Rest​

---------------Example Diet/Meal plan(Recomp)
Target calories and macros
2800 calories
Protein ~ 250 grams
Carbs ~ 165 grams
Fat ~ 110 grams


Meal 1:
1 cup egg whites
1 cup oatmeal (measured dry)
1 (30g) scoop whey
(520 calories/ 3g fat/ 60g carbs/ 63g protein)

Meal 2:
3 fried eggs
3 thick strips of bacon
1 Apple/banana
(580 calories/ 36g fat/ 25g carbs/ 36g protein)

Meal 3:
8oz. chicken breast (roasted/ broiled or baked, no skin)
1 cup blueberries/ blackberries
2 cups of leafy greens (spinach, kale, lettuce, romaine)
(400 calories/ 6g fat/ 21g carbs/ 60g protein)

Meal 4:
8oz. beef steak, pan fried
1 cup rice (measured cooked)
8-12 asparagus spears
(750 calories/ 38g fat/ 33g carbs/ 70g protein)

Meal 5:
1 (30g) scoop whey, 1 pop tart
(315 calories/ 6g fat/ 28g carbs/ 29g protein)

Snack:
30 almonds roasted
1 Cup Broccoli
(200 calories/ 20g fat/ 12g carbs/ 10g protein)

Attached is what my results look like on the VA website. so i copied and pasted them all in the next post.

Hey brother! I've been doing this for a long time and have yet to meet someone who has had a positive experience with a SARMs only cycle. It's like asking for all of the long-term side effects of running anabolic's with a fraction of the benefits.

What are you hoping to get from a SARMs only cycle, and what would prevent you from running a regular cycle?

If it's commitment issue then you need to leave all of this stuff alone. None of it is risk-free, and SARMs no less than any other compound.

Nutrition is pretty good, but plenty of room for optimisation!

If you'd like some help bro feel free to reach out.

@LevButlerov

 

[R.AP]

Bilirubin Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Clarity Urine	Clear Reference Range is not available for this result.
Color Urine	Pale Straw Reference Range is not available for this result.
Glucose Quantitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Hemoglobin Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Ketones Qualitative Urine	20 mg/dL High​ High Reference Range is not available for this result.
Leukocyte Esterase Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Nitrite Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
pH Quantitative Urine	6.0 Reference Range: 5 - 9
Protein Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Specific Gravity Quantitative Urine	1.015 Low​ Low Reference Range: 1.016 - 1.022
Urobilinogen Quantitative Urine	NORMAL Reference Range is not available for this result.
25-Hydroxyvitamin D3 Quantitative Serum	24.1 ng/mL Reference Range: 21 ng/mL - 50 ng/mL
Alanine Aminotransferase (ALT/SGPT) Quantitative Serum	37 units/L Reference Range: 10 units/L - 55 units/L
Albumin Quantitative Serum	4.7 g/dl High​ High Reference Range: 3.4 g/dl - 4.5 g/dl
Alkaline Phosphatase Quantitative Serum	94 units/L Reference Range: 50 units/L - 136 units/L
Aspartate Aminotransferase (AST/SGOT) Quantitative Serum	31 units/L Reference Range: 6 units/L - 32 units/L
Bilirubin Quantitative Serum	1.1 mg/dl Reference Range: 0.3 mg/dl - 1.2 mg/dl
Blood Urea Nitrogen (BUN) Quantitative Serum	15 mg/dl Reference Range: 9 mg/dl - 26 mg/dl
Calcium Quantitative Serum	10.1 mg/dL Reference Range: 8.3 mg/dL - 10.6 mg/dL
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Quantitative Serum	28 mEq/L Reference Range: 22 mEq/L - 32 mEq/L
Chloride Quantitative Serum	105 mEq/L Reference Range: 97 mEq/L - 109 mEq/L
Cholesterol HDL Quantitative Serum	38.6 mg/dL Reference Range is not available for this result.
Cholesterol LDL Quantitative Serum	172 mg/dL High​ High Reference Range is not available for this result.
Cholesterol Quantitative Serum	227 mg/dl High​ High Reference Range: 0 mg/dl - 200 mg/dl
Creatinine Quantitative Serum	1.19 mg/dl Reference Range: 0.5 mg/dl - 1.2 mg/dl
Estimated Glomerular Filtration Rate (eGFR) Quantitative Serum	83 mL/min Low​ Low Reference Range is not available for this result.
Folate Quantitative Serum	10.2 ng/mL Reference Range is not available for this result.
Glucose Quantitative Serum	81 mg/dl Reference Range: 70 mg/dl - 140 mg/dl
Potassium Quantitative Serum	4.9 mEq/L Reference Range: 3.8 mEq/L - 5.1 mEq/L
Protein Quantitative Serum	7.7 g/dL Reference Range: 6.3 g/dL - 8 g/dL
Sodium Quantitative Serum	141 mEq/L Reference Range: 135 mEq/L - 145 mEq/L
Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) Quantitative Serum	1.12 uIU/ml Reference Range: 0.4 uIU/ml - 4 uIU/ml
Triglycerides Quantitative Serum	102 mg/dl Reference Range: 30 mg/dl - 150 mg/dl
Vitamin B12 (Cobalamin) Quantitative Serum	913 pg/ml High​ High Reference Range: 211 pg/ml - 911 pg/ml
Basophils % Blood	0.6 % Reference Range: 0 % - 2 %
Basophils Quantitative Whole Blood	0 K/mm3 Reference Range: 0 K/mm3 - 0.3 K/mm3
Eosinophils % Whole Blood	1.9 % Reference Range: 0.7 % - 6.6 %
Eosinophils Quantitative Whole Blood	0.1 K/mm3 Reference Range: 0.1 K/mm3 - 0.5 K/mm3
Hematocrit % Whole Blood	48.3 % Reference Range: 38 % - 50 %
Hemoglobin Quantitative Whole Blood	16.3 g/dL Reference Range: 13.5 g/dL - 17 g/dL
Immature Granulocytes %	0.8 % Reference Range: 0 % - 1 %
Immature Granulocytes Blood	0.05 K/mm3 Reference Range: 0 K/mm3 - 0.08 K/mm3
Lymphocytes % Blood	22.5 % Reference Range: 16 % - 40 %
Lymphocytes Quantitative Blood	1.4 K/mm3 Reference Range: 1 K/mm3 - 3 K/mm3
Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin (MCH) Quantitative Red Blood Cells	28.7 pg Reference Range: 27 pg - 33 pg
Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin Concentration (MCHC) Quantitative Red Blood Cells	33.7 g/dL Reference Range: 32.6 g/dL - 34.7 g/dL
Mean Corpuscular Volume (MCV) Quantitative Blood Red Blood Cells	85.2 fl Reference Range: 83 fl - 98 fl
Mean Platelet Volume (MPV) Quantitative Blood	9.4 fl Reference Range: 9 fl - 12.6 fl
Monocytes % Blood	9.6 % Reference Range: 5.5 % - 13.5 %
Neutrophils % Whole Blood	64.6 % Reference Range: 45 % - 72 %
Neutrophils Quantitative Blood	4 K/mm3 Reference Range: 2.4 K/mm3 - 6.8 K/mm3
Platelets Quantitative Blood	246 K/mm3 Reference Range: 140 K/mm3 - 375 K/mm3
Red Blood Cell Distribution Width (RDW) Ratio Red Blood Cells	11.9 % Reference Range: 11.7 % - 14 %
Red Blood Cells (RBCs) Quantitative Whole Blood	5.67 M/mm3 High​ High Reference Range: 4.3 M/mm3 - 5.5 M/mm3
White Blood Cells (WBCs) Quantitative Whole Blood	6.3 K/mm3 Reference Range: 4.4 K/mm3 - 10.7 K/mm3
Hemoglobin A1c % Blood	5.1 % Reference Range: 4.4 % - 6.6 %
Adrenocorticotropic hormone	40pg/mL Reference Range: 7-69 pg/mL
Estradiol	30pg/mL Reference Range: 10-50 pg/mL

Free T32.8pg/mL

Reference Range: 2.3-4.2 pg/mL

Free T41.2 ng/dL

Reference Range: 0.8-1.8 ng/dL

Follicle-stimulating hormone7.2IU/L

Reference Range: 1.42-15.4 IU/L

Growth Hormone(Fasting)3 ng/mL

Reference Range: < 5 ng/mL

Progesterone33 ng/dL

Reference Range: 10-50 ng/dL

Prolactine8 ng/mL

Reference Range: 3-13 ng/mL

Testosterone707 ng/dL

Reference Range: 291-1100 ng/dL

Thyroxine-binding globulin20 µg/mL

Reference Range: 12-27 µg/mL

Thyroid-stimulating hormone2.2 μU/mL

Reference Range: 0.5-4.0 μU/mL

Total T48 mcg/dL

Reference Range: 4-12 mcg/dL

Total T3107 ng/dL

Reference Range: Total T3: 80-180 ng/dL

Formatting got Weird there at the end, is this sufficient?

LDL needs attention sir try adding in some of the following supplements:

Citrus Bergamot
Red Yeast Rice Extract
Plant Sterols

 

[Sir Lancelot]

LDL needs attention sir try adding in some of the following supplements:

Citrus Bergamot
Red Yeast Rice Extract
Plant Sterols

Thanks, i'll order some of that literally right now.

 

[R.AP]

Thanks, i'll order some of that literally right now.

Good man

 

[Sir Lancelot]

H

Hey brother! I've been doing this for a long time and have yet to meet someone who has had a positive experience with a SARMs only cycle. It's like asking for all of the long-term side effects of running anabolic's with a fraction of the benefits.

What are you hoping to get from a SARMs only cycle, and what would prevent you from running a regular cycle?

If it's commitment issue then you need to leave all of this stuff alone. None of it is risk-free, and SARMs no less than any other compound.

Nutrition is pretty good, but plenty of room for optimisation!

If you'd like some help bro feel free to reach out.

@LevButlerov

It's not really a commitment issue i have, it's more i wanted to... "dip my toes" in with some of the less androgenic side effects[Namely Acne]. I know for some people it isnt a big deal, but i still get acne as a natural at almost 35. i took accutane when i was a teen, used to literally bleed through my shirts.

I'd be open to more of the OG PEDs/Test
but i wanted to see if my tolerance to some of the.... "weaker" compounds before i fully jumped in with like anavar/test

 

[R.AP]

It's not really a commitment issue i have, it's more i wanted to... "dip my toes" in with some of the less androgenic side effects[Namely Acne]. I know for some people it isnt a big deal, but i still get acne as a natural at almost 35. i took accutane when i was a teen, used to literally bleed through my shirts.

I'd be open to more of the OG PEDs/Test
but i wanted to see if my tolerance to some of the.... "weaker" compounds before i fully jumped in with like anavar/test

Yeah okay - and to be honest skin health is a little bit beyond my realm of knowledge but I know how debilitating poor skin health can be for some. So if sides are manageable then the SARMs cycle is a stepping stone to a traditional cycle? Fair enough mate! I'll be following along to see how you go!

 

[Sir Lancelot]

LDL needs attention sir try adding in some of the following supplements:

Citrus Bergamot
Red Yeast Rice Extract
Plant Sterols

Also, is there any other general supplements you'd advise?

Yeah okay - and to be honest skin health is a little bit beyond my realm of knowledge but I know how debilitating poor skin health can be for some. So if sides are manageable then the SARMs cycle is a stepping stone to a traditional cycle? Fair enough mate! I'll be following along to see how you go!

That's the idea atleast yea. i'm excited to start this journey(now that i'm not randomly drug tested)!

 

[R.AP]

Also, is there any other general supplements you'd advise?

That's the idea atleast yea. i'm excited to start this journey(now that i'm not randomly drug tested)!

Mate definitely! My "fundamentals" of cycle support include the attached

 

[HarleyGuy]

Also, is there any other general supplements you'd advise?

That's the idea atleast yea. i'm excited to start this journey(now that i'm not randomly drug tested)!

Welcome to EVO logging bro!
Lots of great info in your first post and you're in good hands with coach @R.AP at the wheel with you.
I'm not a fan of SARMS at all but let's see how this goes for you then we can do your more traditional OG compounds like Test/Var

For skin health I take 20g collagen peptide powder with my psyllium husk and creatine. The copper peptide GHK-Cu is good for skin health as well as is HGH at 2iu ED.

For digestion I'd recommend psyllium husk 10-15g, apple cider vinegar with mother 2 tbsp, and a really good probiotic (I use Digest Gold off Amazon check it out). Gut health is often neglected and you'll want to get that running like a race car for best results.

but alot of people also say NOOOOO.

So do I, to enclomophine

Target calories and macros
2800 calories
Protein ~ 250 grams
Carbs ~ 165 grams
Fat ~ 110 grams

Good macros I'm assuming this is a cut.

I did read the "perfect PCT" thing listed in the forums, but i felt like it didnt really apply for a sarms only cycle

I can if you still want to have kids


Do you still want to have kids? I recommend becoming as learned as possible on steroids in this order:

1. PCT (after steroid usage how can you come off in a healthy way to get your natural test, hormones and HPTA back up and running)
2. Diet/Supps (we must see you have this dialed in with the proper macros and calories and supplements)
3. Training (we need to make sure you're training is consistent and proper)
4. Steroids (then, if you trust this forum which you should, we will get you squared away for a proper cycle suited and tailored to you)

 

[Sir Lancelot]

Welcome to EVO logging bro!
Lots of great info in your first post and you're in good hands with coach @R.AP at the wheel with you.
I'm not a fan of SARMS at all but let's see how this goes for you then we can do your more traditional OG compounds like Test/Var

For skin health I take 20g collagen peptide powder with my psyllium husk and creatine. The copper peptide GHK-Cu is good for skin health as well as is HGH at 2iu ED.

For digestion I'd recommend psyllium husk 10-15g, apple cider vinegar with mother 2 tbsp, and a really good probiotic (I use Digest Gold off Amazon check it out). Gut health is often neglected and you'll want to get that running like a race car for best results.


So do I, to enclomophine


Good macros I'm assuming this is a cut.


I can if you still want to have kids


Do you still want to have kids? I recommend becoming as learned as possible on steroids in this order:

1. PCT (after steroid usage how can you come off in a healthy way to get your natural test, hormones and HPTA back up and running)
2. Diet/Supps (we must see you have this dialed in with the proper macros and calories and supplements)
3. Training (we need to make sure you're training is consistent and proper)
4. Steroids (then, if you trust this forum which you should, we will get you squared away for a proper cycle suited and tailored to you)

I'll look into those Supplements.
Yes this is a cut.
I understand why people dont like enclomiphene now.
I'll reread the PCT Post and adjust.

Thanks!

 

[LevButlerov]

Hello i'm a newcomer here and after i posted a short thread for some advice, i was directed here to post a bunch of information before i "take the plunge"
Basically want to try a Sarms only cycle at first to test acne tolerance.

Age: 34
5'9"
200Lbs
---------------Plan:
"Cycle" 1 8 Weeks

• LGD-4033 10-20mg/day
• Ostarine 10-20mg/day
• Cardarine 15mg/day (Weeks 4-8)
• N2Guard

PCT/Follow up "Cycle" 8 Weeks

• MK-677 15-20mg/day
• Cardarine 15mg/day (Weeks 8-12)
• N2Guard

PCT: Nolvadex or Clomid(Based on what yall think after seeing my labs.) / N2Guard for 4-6Weeks.
- I did read the "perfect PCT" thing listed in the forums, but i felt like it didnt really apply for a sarms only cycle

Other Supplements: Currently dont take anything besides Creatine @5g/Day + BCAA;s. Interested in what everyone here thinks i should add.

---------------Current Workout Routine:
-Most sets are try for 4x10. usually ends up like.. 10-9-7-6 Roughly
-Stairstepper or Treadmill Incline walk 4x/Week
-Some variation, but generally->

Workout 1 – Push​

Bench Press
Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press
Incline Dumbbell Press
Side Lateral Raises
Triceps Pressdowns
Overhead Triceps Extension

Workout 2 – Pull​

Bent-over Row
Lat Pulldown
Barbell Shrugs
Face Pulls
Barbell Curl
Dumbbell Hammer Curl

Workout 3 – Legs/Abs​

Hack or Highbar Squats
Romanian or Regular Deadlifts
Leg Ext/Press
Leg Curl?Press
Calf Raise
Hanging Leg Raise
Weighted Crunches

Day 4-6 Repeat. Day 7 Rest​

---------------Example Diet/Meal plan(Recomp)
Target calories and macros
2800 calories
Protein ~ 250 grams
Carbs ~ 165 grams
Fat ~ 110 grams


Meal 1:
1 cup egg whites
1 cup oatmeal (measured dry)
1 (30g) scoop whey
(520 calories/ 3g fat/ 60g carbs/ 63g protein)

Meal 2:
3 fried eggs
3 thick strips of bacon
1 Apple/banana
(580 calories/ 36g fat/ 25g carbs/ 36g protein)

Meal 3:
8oz. chicken breast (roasted/ broiled or baked, no skin)
1 cup blueberries/ blackberries
2 cups of leafy greens (spinach, kale, lettuce, romaine)
(400 calories/ 6g fat/ 21g carbs/ 60g protein)

Meal 4:
8oz. beef steak, pan fried
1 cup rice (measured cooked)
8-12 asparagus spears
(750 calories/ 38g fat/ 33g carbs/ 70g protein)

Meal 5:
1 (30g) scoop whey, 1 pop tart
(315 calories/ 6g fat/ 28g carbs/ 29g protein)

Snack:
30 almonds roasted
1 Cup Broccoli
(200 calories/ 20g fat/ 12g carbs/ 10g protein)

Attached is what my results look like on the VA website. so i copied and pasted them all in the next post.

I was also fasted for 48hrs when i got this taken, so that might help explain the Cholesterol.

welcome to the EVO family now fully @Sir Lancelot please throw up some pics of you face blurred so we can get your base and what we are working with. waiting for the pic to approve log

 

[HarleyGuy]

welcome to the EVO family now fully @Sir Lancelot please throw up some pics of you face blurred so we can get your base and what we are working with. waiting for the pic to approve log

He actually posted it here instead @LevButlerov: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-cycle-highly-acne-prone.107857/#post-1900198

 

[LevButlerov]

He actually posted it here instead @LevButlerov: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-cycle-highly-acne-prone.107857/#post-1900198

I missed it sorry everyone my mod que filled with spam lol @HarleyGuy

 

[HarleyGuy]

I missed it sorry everyone my mod que filled with spam lol @HarleyGuy

You’re the last that needs to explain missing one post

 

[LevButlerov]

Hello i'm a newcomer here and after i posted a short thread for some advice, i was directed here to post a bunch of information before i "take the plunge"
Basically want to try a Sarms only cycle at first to test acne tolerance.

Age: 34
5'9"
200Lbs
---------------Plan:
"Cycle" 1 8 Weeks

• LGD-4033 10-20mg/day
• Ostarine 10-20mg/day
• Cardarine 15mg/day (Weeks 4-8)
• N2Guard

PCT/Follow up "Cycle" 8 Weeks

• MK-677 15-20mg/day
• Cardarine 15mg/day (Weeks 8-12)
• N2Guard

PCT: Nolvadex or Clomid(Based on what yall think after seeing my labs.) / N2Guard for 4-6Weeks.
- I did read the "perfect PCT" thing listed in the forums, but i felt like it didnt really apply for a sarms only cycle

Other Supplements: Currently dont take anything besides Creatine @5g/Day + BCAA;s. Interested in what everyone here thinks i should add.

---------------Current Workout Routine:
-Most sets are try for 4x10. usually ends up like.. 10-9-7-6 Roughly
-Stairstepper or Treadmill Incline walk 4x/Week
-Some variation, but generally->

Workout 1 – Push​

Bench Press
Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press
Incline Dumbbell Press
Side Lateral Raises
Triceps Pressdowns
Overhead Triceps Extension

Workout 2 – Pull​

Bent-over Row
Lat Pulldown
Barbell Shrugs
Face Pulls
Barbell Curl
Dumbbell Hammer Curl

Workout 3 – Legs/Abs​

Hack or Highbar Squats
Romanian or Regular Deadlifts
Leg Ext/Press
Leg Curl?Press
Calf Raise
Hanging Leg Raise
Weighted Crunches

Day 4-6 Repeat. Day 7 Rest​

---------------Example Diet/Meal plan(Recomp)
Target calories and macros
2800 calories
Protein ~ 250 grams
Carbs ~ 165 grams
Fat ~ 110 grams


Meal 1:
1 cup egg whites
1 cup oatmeal (measured dry)
1 (30g) scoop whey
(520 calories/ 3g fat/ 60g carbs/ 63g protein)

Meal 2:
3 fried eggs
3 thick strips of bacon
1 Apple/banana
(580 calories/ 36g fat/ 25g carbs/ 36g protein)

Meal 3:
8oz. chicken breast (roasted/ broiled or baked, no skin)
1 cup blueberries/ blackberries
2 cups of leafy greens (spinach, kale, lettuce, romaine)
(400 calories/ 6g fat/ 21g carbs/ 60g protein)

Meal 4:
8oz. beef steak, pan fried
1 cup rice (measured cooked)
8-12 asparagus spears
(750 calories/ 38g fat/ 33g carbs/ 70g protein)

Meal 5:
1 (30g) scoop whey, 1 pop tart
(315 calories/ 6g fat/ 28g carbs/ 29g protein)

Snack:
30 almonds roasted
1 Cup Broccoli
(200 calories/ 20g fat/ 12g carbs/ 10g protein)

Attached is what my results look like on the VA website. so i copied and pasted them all in the next post.

Bilirubin Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Clarity Urine	Clear Reference Range is not available for this result.
Color Urine	Pale Straw Reference Range is not available for this result.
Glucose Quantitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Hemoglobin Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Ketones Qualitative Urine	20 mg/dL High​ High Reference Range is not available for this result.
Leukocyte Esterase Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Nitrite Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
pH Quantitative Urine	6.0 Reference Range: 5 - 9
Protein Qualitative Urine	NEGATIVE Reference Range is not available for this result.
Specific Gravity Quantitative Urine	1.015 Low​ Low Reference Range: 1.016 - 1.022
Urobilinogen Quantitative Urine	NORMAL Reference Range is not available for this result.
25-Hydroxyvitamin D3 Quantitative Serum	24.1 ng/mL Reference Range: 21 ng/mL - 50 ng/mL
Alanine Aminotransferase (ALT/SGPT) Quantitative Serum	37 units/L Reference Range: 10 units/L - 55 units/L
Albumin Quantitative Serum	4.7 g/dl High​ High Reference Range: 3.4 g/dl - 4.5 g/dl
Alkaline Phosphatase Quantitative Serum	94 units/L Reference Range: 50 units/L - 136 units/L
Aspartate Aminotransferase (AST/SGOT) Quantitative Serum	31 units/L Reference Range: 6 units/L - 32 units/L
Bilirubin Quantitative Serum	1.1 mg/dl Reference Range: 0.3 mg/dl - 1.2 mg/dl
Blood Urea Nitrogen (BUN) Quantitative Serum	15 mg/dl Reference Range: 9 mg/dl - 26 mg/dl
Calcium Quantitative Serum	10.1 mg/dL Reference Range: 8.3 mg/dL - 10.6 mg/dL
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Quantitative Serum	28 mEq/L Reference Range: 22 mEq/L - 32 mEq/L
Chloride Quantitative Serum	105 mEq/L Reference Range: 97 mEq/L - 109 mEq/L
Cholesterol HDL Quantitative Serum	38.6 mg/dL Reference Range is not available for this result.
Cholesterol LDL Quantitative Serum	172 mg/dL High​ High Reference Range is not available for this result.
Cholesterol Quantitative Serum	227 mg/dl High​ High Reference Range: 0 mg/dl - 200 mg/dl
Creatinine Quantitative Serum	1.19 mg/dl Reference Range: 0.5 mg/dl - 1.2 mg/dl
Estimated Glomerular Filtration Rate (eGFR) Quantitative Serum	83 mL/min Low​ Low Reference Range is not available for this result.
Folate Quantitative Serum	10.2 ng/mL Reference Range is not available for this result.
Glucose Quantitative Serum	81 mg/dl Reference Range: 70 mg/dl - 140 mg/dl
Potassium Quantitative Serum	4.9 mEq/L Reference Range: 3.8 mEq/L - 5.1 mEq/L
Protein Quantitative Serum	7.7 g/dL Reference Range: 6.3 g/dL - 8 g/dL
Sodium Quantitative Serum	141 mEq/L Reference Range: 135 mEq/L - 145 mEq/L
Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) Quantitative Serum	1.12 uIU/ml Reference Range: 0.4 uIU/ml - 4 uIU/ml
Triglycerides Quantitative Serum	102 mg/dl Reference Range: 30 mg/dl - 150 mg/dl
Vitamin B12 (Cobalamin) Quantitative Serum	913 pg/ml High​ High Reference Range: 211 pg/ml - 911 pg/ml
Basophils % Blood	0.6 % Reference Range: 0 % - 2 %
Basophils Quantitative Whole Blood	0 K/mm3 Reference Range: 0 K/mm3 - 0.3 K/mm3
Eosinophils % Whole Blood	1.9 % Reference Range: 0.7 % - 6.6 %
Eosinophils Quantitative Whole Blood	0.1 K/mm3 Reference Range: 0.1 K/mm3 - 0.5 K/mm3
Hematocrit % Whole Blood	48.3 % Reference Range: 38 % - 50 %
Hemoglobin Quantitative Whole Blood	16.3 g/dL Reference Range: 13.5 g/dL - 17 g/dL
Immature Granulocytes %	0.8 % Reference Range: 0 % - 1 %
Immature Granulocytes Blood	0.05 K/mm3 Reference Range: 0 K/mm3 - 0.08 K/mm3
Lymphocytes % Blood	22.5 % Reference Range: 16 % - 40 %
Lymphocytes Quantitative Blood	1.4 K/mm3 Reference Range: 1 K/mm3 - 3 K/mm3
Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin (MCH) Quantitative Red Blood Cells	28.7 pg Reference Range: 27 pg - 33 pg
Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin Concentration (MCHC) Quantitative Red Blood Cells	33.7 g/dL Reference Range: 32.6 g/dL - 34.7 g/dL
Mean Corpuscular Volume (MCV) Quantitative Blood Red Blood Cells	85.2 fl Reference Range: 83 fl - 98 fl
Mean Platelet Volume (MPV) Quantitative Blood	9.4 fl Reference Range: 9 fl - 12.6 fl
Monocytes % Blood	9.6 % Reference Range: 5.5 % - 13.5 %
Neutrophils % Whole Blood	64.6 % Reference Range: 45 % - 72 %
Neutrophils Quantitative Blood	4 K/mm3 Reference Range: 2.4 K/mm3 - 6.8 K/mm3
Platelets Quantitative Blood	246 K/mm3 Reference Range: 140 K/mm3 - 375 K/mm3
Red Blood Cell Distribution Width (RDW) Ratio Red Blood Cells	11.9 % Reference Range: 11.7 % - 14 %
Red Blood Cells (RBCs) Quantitative Whole Blood	5.67 M/mm3 High​ High Reference Range: 4.3 M/mm3 - 5.5 M/mm3
White Blood Cells (WBCs) Quantitative Whole Blood	6.3 K/mm3 Reference Range: 4.4 K/mm3 - 10.7 K/mm3
Hemoglobin A1c % Blood	5.1 % Reference Range: 4.4 % - 6.6 %
Adrenocorticotropic hormone	40pg/mL Reference Range: 7-69 pg/mL
Estradiol	30pg/mL Reference Range: 10-50 pg/mL

Free T32.8pg/mL

Reference Range: 2.3-4.2 pg/mL

Free T41.2 ng/dL

Reference Range: 0.8-1.8 ng/dL

Follicle-stimulating hormone7.2IU/L

Reference Range: 1.42-15.4 IU/L

Growth Hormone(Fasting)3 ng/mL

Reference Range: < 5 ng/mL

Progesterone33 ng/dL

Reference Range: 10-50 ng/dL

Prolactine8 ng/mL

Reference Range: 3-13 ng/mL

Testosterone707 ng/dL

Reference Range: 291-1100 ng/dL

Thyroxine-binding globulin20 µg/mL

Reference Range: 12-27 µg/mL

Thyroid-stimulating hormone2.2 μU/mL

Reference Range: 0.5-4.0 μU/mL

Total T48 mcg/dL

Reference Range: 4-12 mcg/dL

Total T3107 ng/dL

Reference Range: Total T3: 80-180 ng/dL

Formatting got Weird there at the end, is this sufficient?

You got this blood work but you can't get the original paper, where did you copy paste this from? @Sir Lancelot
I'm not seeing free testosterone there

It's not really a commitment issue i have, it's more i wanted to... "dip my toes" in with some of the less androgenic side effects[Namely Acne]. I know for some people it isnt a big deal, but i still get acne as a natural at almost 35. i took accutane when i was a teen, used to literally bleed through my shirts.

I'd be open to more of the OG PEDs/Test
but i wanted to see if my tolerance to some of the.... "weaker" compounds before i fully jumped in with like anavar/test

I'll look into those Supplements.
Yes this is a cut.
I understand why people dont like enclomiphene now.
I'll reread the PCT Post and adjust.

Thanks!

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

 

[Sir Lancelot]

You got this blood work but you can't get the original paper, where did you copy paste this from? @Sir Lancelot
I'm not seeing free testosterone there



Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

Ok i'll start logging More Effectively.
i generally just prep food for a whole week and literally just eat that.
i'll update workouts with weights and actual reps starting probably the week of the 8th(i'm moving right now across US) dont plan on starting my "cycle" till probably Jan either way, want to learn more first.
i got these charts from the VA website but they're actually older than i thought, from Oct 15th, is there an online service you'd recommend for getting the necessary bloods done?
i'll also update supplements from what i've ordered(not taken yet but got some recommended ones from here)

 

[LevButlerov]

Ok i'll start logging More Effectively.
i generally just prep food for a whole week and literally just eat that.
i'll update workouts with weights and actual reps starting probably the week of the 8th(i'm moving right now across US) dont plan on starting my "cycle" till probably Jan either way, want to learn more first.
i got these charts from the VA website but they're actually older than i thought, from Oct 15th, is there an online service you'd recommend for getting the necessary bloods done?
i'll also update supplements from what i've ordered(not taken yet but got some recommended ones from here)

If you can get some more details up for us easier to prep you @Sir Lancelot

the VA chart, can you screen it?
blood place, we have private but arent you getting it free at VA?

 

[Sir Lancelot]

If you can get some more details up for us easier to prep you @Sir Lancelot

the VA chart, can you screen it?
blood place, we have private but arent you getting it free at VA?

You got this blood work but you can't get the original paper, where did you copy paste this from? @Sir Lancelot
I'm not seeing free testosterone there



Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

Yes it's "free" at the VA but it's only once every 3 months for me, i asked my Primary care about some of this stuff and he literally said: "i will not help you take anything related to PEDs at all" And yea, i looked and there's literally no Free Test section on there so(in the 1st post i put a picture of what the VA labs looks like)

And i'm about to move, the VA is slow to move stuff along.

Any online sources for Bloods, or Supplements You'd recommend
------------Based on some feedback these are the supps I've ordered.

Psyllium husk 10g

Digest Gold probiotic

Citrus Bergamot
Red Yeast Rice Extract
Plant Sterols
-For Cholesterol

Berberine 1.5g

Chromium Picolinate 20mcg

Astragalus Extract 1g

K2 + D3 1000iU

CoQ10 100mg

Zinc Picolinate 50mg

Magnesium Glycinate 250mg

Citrus Bergamot 1200mg

Milk Thistle 1200mg

Beetroot Extract 400mg

Niacinamide 10% + Zinc 1% Serum
Dove Salicylic Acid Body Wash
Cerave SA Cream
-For Skin

 

[Sir Lancelot]

This still a decent option for Bloods?
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/bloodwork-from-private-md.5695/

->http://www.privatemdlabs.com/?partnerid=S56

 

[LevButlerov]

This still a decent option for Bloods?
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/bloodwork-from-private-md.5695/

->http://www.privatemdlabs.com/?partnerid=S56

this is fine for bloods a lot of use use privatemdlabs @Sir Lancelot

 

[LevButlerov]

Yes it's "free" at the VA but it's only once every 3 months for me, i asked my Primary care about some of this stuff and he literally said: "i will not help you take anything related to PEDs at all" And yea, i looked and there's literally no Free Test section on there so(in the 1st post i put a picture of what the VA labs looks like)

And i'm about to move, the VA is slow to move stuff along.

Any online sources for Bloods, or Supplements You'd recommend
------------Based on some feedback these are the supps I've ordered.

Psyllium husk 10g

Digest Gold probiotic

Citrus Bergamot
Red Yeast Rice Extract
Plant Sterols
-For Cholesterol

Berberine 1.5g

Chromium Picolinate 20mcg

Astragalus Extract 1g

K2 + D3 1000iU

CoQ10 100mg

Zinc Picolinate 50mg

Magnesium Glycinate 250mg

Citrus Bergamot 1200mg

Milk Thistle 1200mg

Beetroot Extract 400mg

Niacinamide 10% + Zinc 1% Serum
Dove Salicylic Acid Body Wash
Cerave SA Cream
-For Skin

I like the probiotics and overall all supps are GTG though vitamin C will need to go high dose.

 

[Mobster]

H

Hey brother! I've been doing this for a long time and have yet to meet someone who has had a positive experience with a SARMs only cycle. It's like asking for all of the long-term side effects of running anabolic's with a fraction of the benefits.

What are you hoping to get from a SARMs only cycle, and what would prevent you from running a regular cycle?

If it's commitment issue then you need to leave all of this stuff alone. None of it is risk-free, and SARMs no less than any other compound.

Nutrition is pretty good, but plenty of room for optimisation!

If you'd like some help bro feel free to reach out.

@LevButlerov

I'm fairly certain we've had loads of such logs here. Zero need to jump in on steroids just cos. Plus not everyone wants the same thing

 

[R.AP]

I'm fairly certain we've had loads of such logs here. Zero need to jump in on steroids just cos. Plus not everyone wants the same thing

I'd agree with you not everyone needs to get on cycle just for the sake of it, but for most I've seen their reasons for getting on a SARM's cycle is for reasons that they'd either bet not get on at all, or commit to an actual steroid cycle.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Idk anything about sarms and I don’t plan on ever using them. But I am also acne prone and I’ve used testosterone for years now and I did use accutane and it worked awesome. Your skin will never look so good in your life. It’s not healthy for you, but thankfully it lasts a long time. I have never had to take it again I just have to make sure my e2 is reasonable and I’ll have clear skin had to toe. If you’re healthy I don’t think accutane is going to harm you. But be careful and do your own research always

@Sir Lancelot If you end up needing accutane supplement with something like N2Guard or Tudca and Milk Thistle for liver. Take high dose fish oils for the cholesterol ratio issues it can cause (krill oil and Omega 3's) and take Vitamin A (with Zinc for absorption) for eye health as it can cause vision problems. It can also cause achy dry joints so you can supplement with Chondroitin and Glucosamine. I would get this on board as soon as you know you'll need Accutane so start supplementing before you start taking it. If you end up needing Accutane @tag me on your log and I can give you dosing for these supps. Keep water intake high while on Accutane as well.

 

[toddthelineman]

Iirc I was taking 20mg a day until I ran out. It was the smallest of capsules I could get and I took one a day. I had mild digestive issues for less than a week and it was all beneficial after that. From what I’ve read a more aggressive protocol would have had me basically immune to acne for a very long time if not forever.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Iirc I was taking 20mg a day until I ran out. It was the smallest of capsules I could get and I took one a day. I had mild digestive issues for less than a week and it was all beneficial after that. From what I’ve read a more aggressive protocol would have had me basically immune to acne for a very long time if not forever.

Interesting I didn't know this about accutane I'm only up on the side effects and supps to mitigate them.

 

[stevesmi]

Hello i'm a newcomer here and after i posted a short thread for some advice, i was directed here to post a bunch of information before i "take the plunge"
Basically want to try a Sarms only cycle at first to test acne tolerance.

Age: 34
5'9"
200Lbs
---------------Plan:
"Cycle" 1 8 Weeks

• LGD-4033 10-20mg/day
• Ostarine 10-20mg/day
• Cardarine 15mg/day (Weeks 4-8)
• N2Guard

PCT/Follow up "Cycle" 8 Weeks

• MK-677 15-20mg/day
• Cardarine 15mg/day (Weeks 8-12)
• N2Guard

PCT: Nolvadex or Clomid(Based on what yall think after seeing my labs.) / N2Guard for 4-6Weeks.
- I did read the "perfect PCT" thing listed in the forums, but i felt like it didnt really apply for a sarms only cycle

Other Supplements: Currently dont take anything besides Creatine @5g/Day + BCAA;s. Interested in what everyone here thinks i should add.

---------------Current Workout Routine:
-Most sets are try for 4x10. usually ends up like.. 10-9-7-6 Roughly
-Stairstepper or Treadmill Incline walk 4x/Week
-Some variation, but generally->

Workout 1 – Push​

Bench Press
Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press
Incline Dumbbell Press
Side Lateral Raises
Triceps Pressdowns
Overhead Triceps Extension

Workout 2 – Pull​

Bent-over Row
Lat Pulldown
Barbell Shrugs
Face Pulls
Barbell Curl
Dumbbell Hammer Curl

Workout 3 – Legs/Abs​

Hack or Highbar Squats
Romanian or Regular Deadlifts
Leg Ext/Press
Leg Curl?Press
Calf Raise
Hanging Leg Raise
Weighted Crunches

Day 4-6 Repeat. Day 7 Rest​

---------------Example Diet/Meal plan(Recomp)
Target calories and macros
2800 calories
Protein ~ 250 grams
Carbs ~ 165 grams
Fat ~ 110 grams


Meal 1:
1 cup egg whites
1 cup oatmeal (measured dry)
1 (30g) scoop whey
(520 calories/ 3g fat/ 60g carbs/ 63g protein)

Meal 2:
3 fried eggs
3 thick strips of bacon
1 Apple/banana
(580 calories/ 36g fat/ 25g carbs/ 36g protein)

Meal 3:
8oz. chicken breast (roasted/ broiled or baked, no skin)
1 cup blueberries/ blackberries
2 cups of leafy greens (spinach, kale, lettuce, romaine)
(400 calories/ 6g fat/ 21g carbs/ 60g protein)

Meal 4:
8oz. beef steak, pan fried
1 cup rice (measured cooked)
8-12 asparagus spears
(750 calories/ 38g fat/ 33g carbs/ 70g protein)

Meal 5:
1 (30g) scoop whey, 1 pop tart
(315 calories/ 6g fat/ 28g carbs/ 29g protein)

Snack:
30 almonds roasted
1 Cup Broccoli
(200 calories/ 20g fat/ 12g carbs/ 10g protein)

Attached is what my results look like on the VA website. so i copied and pasted them all in the next post.

@Sir Lancelot wow this is a great setup. the steak and rice look great. same with asparagus that is outstanding

 

[ceo]

Dont have a log for it but i easily get 8 hours of sleep per night.

bros i try and get a lot of sleep. but hard as a plumber. sometimes i get paged middle of night @Sir Lancelot

 

[Sir Lancelot]

I like the probiotics and overall all supps are GTG though vitamin C will need to go high dose.

Added Higher dose Vitamin C to my list of supps. 2g/day

@Sir Lancelot If you end up needing accutane supplement with something like N2Guard or Tudca and Milk Thistle for liver. Take high dose fish oils for the cholesterol ratio issues it can cause (krill oil and Omega 3's) and take Vitamin A (with Zinc for absorption) for eye health as it can cause vision problems. It can also cause achy dry joints so you can supplement with Chondroitin and Glucosamine. I would get this on board as soon as you know you'll need Accutane so start supplementing before you start taking it. If you end up needing Accutane @tag me on your log and I can give you dosing for these supps. Keep water intake high while on Accutane as well.

I've taken accutane as a teen and had no problems besides dry lips, i'm hoping to not need it. but thanks for the advice!

I'm fairly certain we've had loads of such logs here. Zero need to jump in on steroids just cos. Plus not everyone wants the same thing

I'd agree with you not everyone needs to get on cycle just for the sake of it, but for most I've seen their reasons for getting on a SARM's cycle is for reasons that they'd either bet not get on at all, or commit to an actual steroid cycle.

To ya'll point, i'd prefer to take a more studied OG compound in the long run, wanted to try something first that doesnt necessarily need an AI, or something that converts to alot of DHT.

That being said, i'm thinking about having Accutane, Arimidex, and Nolvadex on hand when i finally do start. Just in case.
Any other "Safety" measures i should have on hand? (still logging, dont plan on starting till new year)

 

[toddthelineman]

Interesting I didn't know this about accutane I'm only up on the side effects and supps to mitigate them.

I it’s supposed to be pretty bad for you, and I believe it, but wow what it does for your skin is the stuff of fairy tails. Less wrinkles by a lot. I was like glowing gold. It did not last lmao. It stops future acne by literally killing your sebaceous glands. That… can’t be great hahaha. Unless you’re getting scarred from persistent acne.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I it’s supposed to be pretty bad for you, and I believe it, but wow what it does for your skin is the stuff of fairy tails. Less wrinkles by a lot. I was like glowing gold. It did not last lmao. It stops future acne by literally killing your sebaceous glands. That… can’t be great hahaha. Unless you’re getting scarred from persistent acne.

Sounds brutal. From what I understand it's a very invasive drug, very aggressive with lots of side effects.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Added Higher dose Vitamin C to my list of supps. 2g/day

I've taken accutane as a teen and had no problems besides dry lips, i'm hoping to not need it. but thanks for the advice!


To ya'll point, i'd prefer to take a more studied OG compound in the long run, wanted to try something first that doesnt necessarily need an AI, or something that converts to alot of DHT.

That being said, i'm thinking about having Accutane, Arimidex, and Nolvadex on hand when i finally do start. Just in case.
Any other "Safety" measures i should have on hand? (still logging, dont plan on starting till new year)

nolvadex save for pct only. don't take it on cycle unless you develop gyno and in that case you should use letro with it. @Sir Lancelot but that will NEVER happen if you keep E under control from day 1

 

[ballin2504]

Hello i'm a newcomer here and after i posted a short thread for some advice, i was directed here to post a bunch of information before i "take the plunge"
Basically want to try a Sarms only cycle at first to test acne tolerance.

Age: 34
5'9"
200Lbs
---------------Plan:
"Cycle" 1 8 Weeks

• LGD-4033 10-20mg/day
• Ostarine 10-20mg/day
• Cardarine 15mg/day (Weeks 4-8)
• N2Guard

PCT/Follow up "Cycle" 8 Weeks

• MK-677 15-20mg/day
• Cardarine 15mg/day (Weeks 8-12)
• N2Guard

PCT: Nolvadex or Clomid(Based on what yall think after seeing my labs.) / N2Guard for 4-6Weeks.
- I did read the "perfect PCT" thing listed in the forums, but i felt like it didnt really apply for a sarms only cycle

Other Supplements: Currently dont take anything besides Creatine @5g/Day + BCAA;s. Interested in what everyone here thinks i should add.

---------------Current Workout Routine:
-Most sets are try for 4x10. usually ends up like.. 10-9-7-6 Roughly
-Stairstepper or Treadmill Incline walk 4x/Week
-Some variation, but generally->

Workout 1 – Push​

Bench Press
Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press
Incline Dumbbell Press
Side Lateral Raises
Triceps Pressdowns
Overhead Triceps Extension

Workout 2 – Pull​

Bent-over Row
Lat Pulldown
Barbell Shrugs
Face Pulls
Barbell Curl
Dumbbell Hammer Curl

Workout 3 – Legs/Abs​

Hack or Highbar Squats
Romanian or Regular Deadlifts
Leg Ext/Press
Leg Curl?Press
Calf Raise
Hanging Leg Raise
Weighted Crunches

Day 4-6 Repeat. Day 7 Rest​

---------------Example Diet/Meal plan(Recomp)
Target calories and macros
2800 calories
Protein ~ 250 grams
Carbs ~ 165 grams
Fat ~ 110 grams


Meal 1:
1 cup egg whites
1 cup oatmeal (measured dry)
1 (30g) scoop whey
(520 calories/ 3g fat/ 60g carbs/ 63g protein)

Meal 2:
3 fried eggs
3 thick strips of bacon
1 Apple/banana
(580 calories/ 36g fat/ 25g carbs/ 36g protein)

Meal 3:
8oz. chicken breast (roasted/ broiled or baked, no skin)
1 cup blueberries/ blackberries
2 cups of leafy greens (spinach, kale, lettuce, romaine)
(400 calories/ 6g fat/ 21g carbs/ 60g protein)

Meal 4:
8oz. beef steak, pan fried
1 cup rice (measured cooked)
8-12 asparagus spears
(750 calories/ 38g fat/ 33g carbs/ 70g protein)

Meal 5:
1 (30g) scoop whey, 1 pop tart
(315 calories/ 6g fat/ 28g carbs/ 29g protein)

Snack:
30 almonds roasted
1 Cup Broccoli
(200 calories/ 20g fat/ 12g carbs/ 10g protein)

Attached is what my results look like on the VA website. so i copied and pasted them all in the next post.

@Sir Lancelot nice start to the log. Glad to see this one getting started brother.

 

[Ulter]

I it’s supposed to be pretty bad for you, and I believe it, but wow what it does for your skin is the stuff of fairy tails. Less wrinkles by a lot. I was like glowing gold. It did not last lmao. It stops future acne by literally killing your sebaceous glands. That… can’t be great hahaha. Unless you’re getting scarred from persistent acne.

i've heard a lot of bad things on accutane. but if you have super bad acne, it will make life a living hell. my daughter used to come home screaming cause people making fun of her at school. i would scream at her to go to her room. it upset me to see my daughter upset so much that i become upset

 

[2Thick]

This still a decent option for Bloods?
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/bloodwork-from-private-md.5695/

->http://www.privatemdlabs.com/?partnerid=S56

yeah they are still going. prices went up the past few years but its the best option for anonymous bloods in 2026. post up the bloods when you get them next go around too @Sir Lancelot

 

[Sir Lancelot]

Just an update to put everything in 1 place for now:
Age: 34
5'9"
200Lbs
Looking to do Recomp/Cut using SARMS only cycle based on previous Acne Prone skin(Prescribed Accutane as a Teen)
-> Hence less Aromatizing/DHT making Compound choices.
Plan on starting Around Jan 1
In progress to get bloodwork from:
->http://www.privatemdlabs.com/?partnerid=S56 (Bodybuilding Panel)

Current Planned Supplements:
Psyllium husk 10g
Digest Gold probiotic
Vitamin C 2g
->Citrus Bergamot
->Red Yeast Rice Extract
->Plant Sterols
-For Cholesterol
Omega 3 fish oil Mix 5g total
Berberine 1.5g
Chromium Picolinate 20mcg
Astragalus Extract 1g
K2 + D3 1000iU
CoQ10 100mg
Zinc Picolinate 50mg
Magnesium Glycinate 250mg
Citrus Bergamot 1200mg
Milk Thistle 1200mg
Beetroot Extract 400mg
Creatine Monohydrate 5g
BCAA's 10g
->Niacinamide 10% + Zinc 1% Serum
->Dove Salicylic Acid Body Wash
->Cerave SA Cream
-For Skin

Big Bois:
Cycle 1: 8 Weeks

• LGD-4033 12mg/day
• Ostarine 20mg/day
• Cardarine 20mg/day (Weeks 4-8)
• N2Guard

PCT/Follow up "Cycle" 8 Weeks

• MK-677 20mg/day
• Cardarine 20mg/day (Weeks 8-12)
• N2Guard

PCT:

• Nolvadex 40mg 2 weeks, 20mg 2 weeks
• N2Guard?

Safety Net: Probably wont need but i’ll have them on hand
Arimadex 1mg
Nolvadex 20mg
Isotretinoin(Accutane) 10mg
Letrozole

Blood test timings: Taking Recommendations
2 Weeks Pre Cycle
4 Weeks Into cycle
->12 Weeks(Depending on 4 week results)
1 Week into PCT
->1 Week AFTER pct(Depending on ^ results)

Other Info:

Workout and meal plans will be attached so this post isnt a Mile long.
Going to start logging actual Meals and Weights/Reps Week of Dec 8. (Currently Moving WA -> MO)
Generally go for 10-8-6-6 Reps per exercise.
Prep meals usually a full week with the same plan, then switch.

Appreciate all the amazing support so far!

 

[LevButlerov]

Added Higher dose Vitamin C to my list of supps. 2g/day

lets go to 3 grams per day up it @Sir Lancelot

 

[LevButlerov]

Just an update to put everything in 1 place for now:
Age: 34
5'9"
200Lbs
Looking to do Recomp/Cut using SARMS only cycle based on previous Acne Prone skin(Prescribed Accutane as a Teen)
-> Hence less Aromatizing/DHT making Compound choices.
Plan on starting Around Jan 1
In progress to get bloodwork from:
->http://www.privatemdlabs.com/?partnerid=S56 (Bodybuilding Panel)

Current Planned Supplements:
Psyllium husk 10g
Digest Gold probiotic
Vitamin C 2g
->Citrus Bergamot
->Red Yeast Rice Extract
->Plant Sterols
-For Cholesterol
Omega 3 fish oil Mix 5g total
Berberine 1.5g
Chromium Picolinate 20mcg
Astragalus Extract 1g
K2 + D3 1000iU
CoQ10 100mg
Zinc Picolinate 50mg
Magnesium Glycinate 250mg
Citrus Bergamot 1200mg
Milk Thistle 1200mg
Beetroot Extract 400mg
Creatine Monohydrate 5g
BCAA's 10g
->Niacinamide 10% + Zinc 1% Serum
->Dove Salicylic Acid Body Wash
->Cerave SA Cream
-For Skin

Big Bois:
Cycle 1: 8 Weeks

• LGD-4033 12mg/day
• Ostarine 20mg/day
• Cardarine 20mg/day (Weeks 4-8)
• N2Guard

PCT/Follow up "Cycle" 8 Weeks

• MK-677 20mg/day
• Cardarine 20mg/day (Weeks 8-12)
• N2Guard

PCT:

• Nolvadex 40mg 2 weeks, 20mg 2 weeks
• N2Guard?

Safety Net: Probably wont need but i’ll have them on hand
Arimadex 1mg
Nolvadex 20mg
Isotretinoin(Accutane) 10mg
Letrozole

Blood test timings: Taking Recommendations
2 Weeks Pre Cycle
4 Weeks Into cycle
->12 Weeks(Depending on 4 week results)
1 Week into PCT
->1 Week AFTER pct(Depending on ^ results)

Other Info:

Workout and meal plans will be attached so this post isnt a Mile long.
Going to start logging actual Meals and Weights/Reps Week of Dec 8. (Currently Moving WA -> MO)
Generally go for 10-8-6-6 Reps per exercise.
Prep meals usually a full week with the same plan, then switch.

Appreciate all the amazing support so far!

question for you, why not just do a self TRT cycle instead of sarms? @Sir Lancelot

 

[Sir Lancelot]

question for you, why not just do a self TRT cycle instead of sarms? @Sir Lancelot

I'm open to it, but once i get my bloods done again we'll know more. What level would you expect me to go up to? TRT to me sounds like just pushing up normal levels to like 1000ng/dL ish?

or would you expect like a lower dose like 125mg x2 per week? to get me just above normal

I know the chance is also smaller with low doses, but Test does Aromatize and converts to DHT right?

 

[LevButlerov]

I'm open to it, but once i get my bloods done again we'll know more. What level would you expect me to go up to? TRT to me sounds like just pushing up normal levels to like 1000ng/dL ish?

or would you expect like a lower dose like 125mg x2 per week? to get me just above normal

I know the chance is also smaller with low doses, but Test does Aromatize and converts to DHT right?

I think like this, can we first get bloods then go from there, when can you get bloods done? @Sir Lancelot

 

[toddthelineman]

Sounds brutal. From what I understand it's a very invasive drug, very aggressive with lots of side effects.

I would say it’s in the dose, but in most cases it’s only being used out of desperation as a last resort nuclear option so they are going for the kill. The for sure reason why it’s so scary is that it causes dna damage. It reliably causes birth defects for pregnant women and it stays in your system a long while so they cannot be getting pregnant any time soon after taking it. And it’s just a form of vitamin a.

 

[Sir Lancelot]

I think like this, can we first get bloods then go from there, when can you get bloods done? @Sir Lancelot

Privatelabs says they dont operate here, so probably Wednesday or Thurs this week after i'm done moving. MO is supported by Privatelabs. So maybe talk more about it then.

 

[LevButlerov]

Privatelabs says they dont operate here, so probably Wednesday or Thurs this week after i'm done moving. MO is supported by Privatelabs. So maybe talk more about it then.

lets do it as you move

 

[Sir Lancelot]

So i've been doing some research from these places and it seems like theres kinda 2 camps.
Reading: Here, Blogs on https://swolverine.com/blogs/blog/tagged/anabolics , https://vigoroussteve.com/articles/, https://moreplatesmoredates.com/category/peds/, and r/Steroids.
Watching: Youtube: MorePlatesmoreDates, Greg Doucette, Vigorous Steve, Think Big Bodybuilding Media, Mike Israetel, and Nattyplusprotocol.
i feel like all of these have good and bad information, and i'm being influenced by whatever i start to watch it keeps feeding it to me. (like @Mobster said in my other post)

- 1. SARMs(and similar) are "Safer" and are a good stepping stone before you start injecting.

- 2. Injecting just Test is more effective and Safer than SARMS(and similar) especially at lower doses(<300mg/week) due to it's predictability and long history.

- I'm not exactly sure which one to believe, and/or if it's just the algorithm Messing with me, and the growing popularity on SARMS+ in the current age playing on the fact that Orals make it "more natural"(not really though) and "Safer" due to no injecting. I also dont really know who to trust(Here seems to be the most trustworthy) Anyone have some recommended sources to get some good reading in? (While i wait for my bloods)

 

[LevButlerov]

So i've been doing some research from these places and it seems like theres kinda 2 camps.
Reading: Here, Blogs on https://swolverine.com/blogs/blog/tagged/anabolics , https://vigoroussteve.com/articles/, https://moreplatesmoredates.com/category/peds/, and r/Steroids.
Watching: Youtube: MorePlatesmoreDates, Greg Doucette, Vigorous Steve, Think Big Bodybuilding Media, Mike Israetel, and Nattyplusprotocol.
i feel like all of these have good and bad information, and i'm being influenced by whatever i start to watch it keeps feeding it to me. (like @Mobster said in my other post)

- 1. SARMs(and similar) are "Safer" and are a good stepping stone before you start injecting.

- 2. Injecting just Test is more effective and Safer than SARMS(and similar) especially at lower doses(<300mg/week) due to it's predictability and long history.

- I'm not exactly sure which one to believe, and/or if it's just the algorithm Messing with me, and the growing popularity on SARMS+ in the current age playing on the fact that Orals make it "more natural"(not really though) and "Safer" due to no injecting. I also dont really know who to trust(Here seems to be the most trustworthy) Anyone have some recommended sources to get some good reading in? (While i wait for my bloods)

It really depends on your situation, safer is relative tbh. @Sir Lancelot
where are you getting your sarms, umbrella labs? then we can talk safety, if others it can be spiked with actual steroids you see the problem right?

 

[Sir Lancelot]

Umbrella labs or napsgear(pharmaco labs) was what i was thinking

 

[LevButlerov]

Umbrella labs or napsgear(pharmaco labs) was what i was thinking

Get your sarms from umbrella labs only they test them in USA
https://umbrellalabs.is/sarms-category @Sir Lancelot
You can start with an easy lgd cardarine rad stack.
10mgs lgd4033
20mgs rad140
20mgs cardarine
n2guard as you planned

before bed 10mgs mk677

but this is 8 weeks max to start and we feel how it goes from there.

 

[Sir Lancelot]

Snowstorm delayed moving a bit so i'm getting bloods done on monday(not open on weekends), Workout and Meal logs should also be up and running on Monday.

 

[LevButlerov]

Snowstorm delayed moving a bit so i'm getting bloods done on monday(not open on weekends), Workout and Meal logs should also be up and running on Monday.

waiting

 

[Sir Lancelot]

Only 3 workout days this week so i kept the cals down.
Bloods taken today.
Food including dinner:

 

[LevButlerov]

Only 3 workout days this week so i kept the cals down.
Bloods taken today.
Food including dinner:

protein is high but carbs a bit lacking, you ok? @Sir Lancelot

 

[Sir Lancelot]

All good just busy.
i'll probably swap the protein shake for some rice tomorrow.

 

[LevButlerov]

All good just busy.
i'll probably swap the protein shake for some rice tomorrow.

lets do it and update us

 

[Sir Lancelot]

Just waiting on Testosterone back from bloods, 11/12 blood tests back.

 

[LevButlerov]

Just waiting on Testosterone back from bloods, 11/12 blood tests back.

good training volume today lat pulls clean but no pull ups? @Sir Lancelot waiting on your bloods too

 

[Sir Lancelot]

good training volume today lat pulls clean but no pull ups? @Sir Lancelot waiting on your bloods too

I'll work them in

 

[LevButlerov]

I'll work them in

good food today

 

[Sir Lancelot]

Log day 4:

 

[LevButlerov]

Log day 4:

good macros and training but I would add close grip push ups here, can you? @Sir Lancelot

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy @SPOONMAN366

 

[Dreamer]

Log day 4:

Nice training, I really like skullcrushers

 

[waggat]

Log day 4:

Nice push day (and nice previous pull day). I would probably do the machine press before the skullcrushers though.

260g protein looks good too.

 

[Sir Lancelot]

Log day 5:
-Still waiting on Test/LH levels

 

[LevButlerov]

Log day 5:
-Still waiting on Test/LH levels

carbs a bit low, you ok? @Sir Lancelot

 

[Sir Lancelot]

carbs a bit low, you ok? @Sir Lancelot

Ye all good, just cutting a bit more, put on a couple pounds over thanksgiving/moving XD
Day 6:

 

[Sir Lancelot]

carbs a bit low, you ok? @Sir Lancelot

Bloods Attached.
Day 7Meals.

 

[LevButlerov]

Bloods Attached.
Day 7Meals.

your bloods look pretty good but I see you have e2 in red no results? @Sir Lancelot

 

[LevButlerov]

Ye all good, just cutting a bit more, put on a couple pounds over thanksgiving/moving XD
Day 6:

I see a lot of bananas for carbs, can you go lower gi like oatmeal? @Sir Lancelot

 

[Sir Lancelot]

your bloods look pretty good but I see you have e2 in red no results? @Sir Lancelot

Yea no results yet
and i'll swap some bananas for oatmeal

 

[LevButlerov]

Yea no results yet
and i'll swap some bananas for oatmeal

please do

 

[Sir Lancelot]

Day 8:

 

[LevButlerov]

Day 8:

steady but carbs and protein a bit low.

 

[Sir Lancelot]

steady but carbs and protein a bit low.

Day 9:
Got back last bloods.
now that i'm back to 5/week workouts should i be shooting like 2700-2900(maintain/slightly lose) Still sitting ~200lbs
and like 250g Min protein, 200g Min carbs or what would you recommend.

 

[LevButlerov]

Bloods Attached.
Day 7Meals.

Day 9:
Got back last bloods.
now that i'm back to 5/week workouts should i be shooting like 2700-2900(maintain/slightly lose) Still sitting ~200lbs
and like 250g Min protein, 200g Min carbs or what would you recommend.

e2 is gtg @Sir Lancelot I think we need to get up on protein and carbs, do you feel you can manage it?

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@SPOONMAN366 @coolguy77711

 

[Allupfromhere]

Day 9:
Got back last bloods.
now that i'm back to 5/week workouts should i be shooting like 2700-2900(maintain/slightly lose) Still sitting ~200lbs
and like 250g Min protein, 200g Min carbs or what would you recommend.

Whats the current goals brother? Macros should be based on this

 

[Sir Lancelot]

e2 is gtg @Sir Lancelot I think we need to get up on protein and carbs, do you feel you can manage it?

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Whats the current goals brother? Macros should be based on this

Yea i Could eat more.

Trying to recomp/maybe cut a little.
Currently ~200lbs Workout 5 days a week(Could bump it up to 6 if recovery is good or if i change up the split)
Also currently Natural, and with ya'll blessing i'm planning on starting this recommended Cycle after new years recommended by lev:

You can start with an easy lgd cardarine rad stack.
10mgs lgd4033
20mgs rad140
20mgs cardarine
n2guard as you planned

before bed 10mgs mk677

but this is 8 weeks max to start and we feel how it goes from there.

 

[LevButlerov]

Yea i Could eat more.

Trying to recomp/maybe cut a little.
Currently ~200lbs Workout 5 days a week(Could bump it up to 6 if recovery is good or if i change up the split)
Also currently Natural, and with ya'll blessing i'm planning on starting this recommended Cycle after new years recommended by lev:

You can start with an easy lgd cardarine rad stack.
10mgs lgd4033
20mgs rad140
20mgs cardarine
n2guard as you planned

before bed 10mgs mk677

but this is 8 weeks max to start and we feel how it goes from there.

I think you can boost easy +50 protein and carbs here @Sir Lancelot
lets try this sarms stack and see how you feel on it.

 

[Dreamer]

Day 9:
Got back last bloods.
now that i'm back to 5/week workouts should i be shooting like 2700-2900(maintain/slightly lose) Still sitting ~200lbs
and like 250g Min protein, 200g Min carbs or what would you recommend.

Something I am learning in my bulk - dont be scared of carbs - after upping mine my performance in the gym has gone up alot

 

[Sir Lancelot]

I think you can boost easy +50 protein and carbs here @Sir Lancelot
lets try this sarms stack and see how you feel on it.

Something I am learning in my bulk - dont be scared of carbs - after upping mine my performance in the gym has gone up alot

Day 10:
upped carbs and protein, feels good.
usually i fast before i workout, but i'm not planning on doing that anymore, i want to have carbs before and right after while i'm on the sauce to gain a bit more.

 

[Coolguy]

I still think carbs are too low
But that's me personally.
Are you planning on using actual steroids later down the track?

 

[Sir Lancelot]

I still think carbs are too low
But that's me personally.
Are you planning on using actual steroids later down the track?

ok i can definitely get carbs to 300g if i need to.

and yes, i was mainly worried about the androgenic effects for my first.
so if this goes well i'll probably start at like a TRT dose of just test and continue from there. VERY acne prone and not a huge fan of gyno or hairloss.
but i do have
Arimadex
Nolvadex
Isotretinoin(Accutane)
Letrozole

on hand just incase

 

[Coolguy]

Personally I wouldn't worry with sarms brother. 200mg of test with an ai on hand would be miles better. If you got the sarms already then run it no point wasting them.
If you're looking to recomp you could also try a gpl-1 like reta. Seems to be working miracles right now for weightless.
Have you got boldness in you family? Or thinning hair in general?

 

[Sir Lancelot]

Personally I wouldn't worry with sarms brother. 200mg of test with an ai on hand would be miles better. If you got the sarms already then run it no point wasting them.
If you're looking to recomp you could also try a gpl-1 like reta. Seems to be working miracles right now for weightless.
Have you got boldness in you family? Or thinning hair in general?

I do have the sarms already so ill run it, not in a huge rush just kinda plateauing and want some boost(for now)

That being said know anyone that did GH/MK with reta? Ive heard they make you real hungry and the Reta helps. Also that they kind of balance out insulin with MK lowering and Reta raising sensitivity

Baldness doesn’t run in the fam

 

[LevButlerov]

Day 10:
upped carbs and protein, feels good.
usually i fast before i workout, but i'm not planning on doing that anymore, i want to have carbs before and right after while i'm on the sauce to gain a bit more.

Good level lets keep the protein high @Sir Lancelot

ok i can definitely get carbs to 300g if i need to.

and yes, i was mainly worried about the androgenic effects for my first.
so if this goes well i'll probably start at like a TRT dose of just test and continue from there. VERY acne prone and not a huge fan of gyno or hairloss.
but i do have
Arimadex
Nolvadex
Isotretinoin(Accutane)
Letrozole

on hand just incase

dont use letrozole it will destroy your hormones

 

[Coolguy]

I do have the sarms already so ill run it, not in a huge rush just kinda plateauing and want some boost(for now)

That being said know anyone that did GH/MK with reta? Ive heard they make you real hungry and the Reta helps. Also that they kind of balance out insulin with MK lowering and Reta raising sensitivity

Baldness doesn’t run in the fam

Ask our very own @Dreamer
But reta and gh should be fine.
Taking gh /mk right before bed will help.
Chances are also you will be ok with dhts baldness is more to do with genetic predisposition. I've been on dhts for ages and my hairs great legit need it cut almost every week.

 

[Dreamer]

Hey man I have ran Reta with GH and even now with Boldenone which is notorious for raising appetite.

It does a brilliant job at controlling food noise and appetite but from what I have seen running GH from 1iu to 5iu, I check my blood sugar every morning and I have never seen a reading above 5.4 - but that day I had a looot of carbs late at night. IMO it does a very good job at controlling blood glucose raise from GH.

My fasting insulin was 2 in my last blood test, honestly running Reta is so low risk, and full of benefits for any cycle - would highly reccomened

 

[Sir Lancelot]

Hey man I have ran Reta with GH and even now with Boldenone which is notorious for raising appetite.

It does a brilliant job at controlling food noise and appetite but from what I have seen running GH from 1iu to 5iu, I check my blood sugar every morning and I have never seen a reading above 5.4 - but that day I had a looot of carbs late at night. IMO it does a very good job at controlling blood glucose raise from GH.

My fasting insulin was 2 in my last blood test, honestly running Reta is so low risk, and full of benefits for any cycle - would highly reccomened

Thanks i'll look into it!

 

[Dreamer]

Thanks i'll look into it!

Also consider adding Berberine, which is another thing I use to keep insulin sensitive.

 

[Sir Lancelot]

Hey man I have ran Reta with GH and even now with Boldenone which is notorious for raising appetite.

It does a brilliant job at controlling food noise and appetite but from what I have seen running GH from 1iu to 5iu, I check my blood sugar every morning and I have never seen a reading above 5.4 - but that day I had a looot of carbs late at night. IMO it does a very good job at controlling blood glucose raise from GH.

My fasting insulin was 2 in my last blood test, honestly running Reta is so low risk, and full of benefits for any cycle - would highly reccomened

Got some Berberine on the way.

Reta a lil pricey so i wanna make sure this is right.
if i get a 40mg kit(5x8mg) and get 11mL of bac water. (domestic supply and umbrella both have similar option)

does a 2mg-2mg-4mg-4mg-6mg-6mg-8mg-8mg per week work for an 8 week cycle?
and does this look correct if so:

 

[Dreamer]

Yes you have exactly 40mg then, but honestly mate I am unsure you would need to jump as high as 8mg, you could probably go 1mg for the first week or two, see how you tolerate it, go up to 2 and titrate as high as 4mg its strong stuff.

 

[Sir Lancelot]

Yes you have exactly 40mg then, but honestly mate I am unsure you would need to jump as high as 8mg, you could probably go 1mg for the first week or two, see how you tolerate it, go up to 2 and titrate as high as 4mg its strong stuff.

ok, maybe i'll plan 1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4 (exactly 20) and adjust based on tolerance

 

[Dreamer]

ok, maybe i'll plan 1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4 (exactly 20) and adjust based on tolerance

The first time I did Reta, 1mg tanked my appetite, start low and slow, but its an amazing compound

 

[Sir Lancelot]

The first time I did Reta, 1mg tanked my appetite, start low and slow, but its an amazing compound

aight, i'll see how 1 treats me and just order a couple 5mg for now, so i wont waste any but i'll have enough if i need to buy more

 

[R.AP]

I do have the sarms already so ill run it, not in a huge rush just kinda plateauing and want some boost(for now)

That being said know anyone that did GH/MK with reta? Ive heard they make you real hungry and the Reta helps. Also that they kind of balance out insulin with MK lowering and Reta raising sensitivity

Baldness doesn’t run in the fam

In light of the anabolics bro you're not likely to see any additional boost from the SARMs. MK, and so GH, don't directly lower insulin sensitivity. The relationship between GH, Carbs, Insulin and IGF-1 is deeply complex.


In a fat-loss context GH and Reta synergize extremely well.

 

[Sir Lancelot]

day 11:

 

[LevButlerov]

day 11:

Good day protein staying high

 

[Sir Lancelot]

day 12:
Reta Ordered.