Veteran Log First Testosterone Cycle at 47 Log

[waggat]

Hi all,

I've had lowish T for around 5 years but recently was prescribed TRT. Now that I've found Evo and have reliable sources I've decided to do my first ever cycle.

History

Been training regularly for close to 20 years. Unfortunately you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at me.

I started off as a 'been pole' - 6'3" and only 65-70kg (140-150lb).

Made decent gains in the first few years and in a few other periods but struggled with injuries at times.

Prior to TRT I don't think I made any gains in the last 5 years despite consistent training and good diet.

Since TRT I have been making steady gains.

TRT started at 130mg/week. A month ago I got bloods and was just above the range for both T and free T. E2 was very high (about 350 with a range of <160. No sides as far as I could tell. Because of this I dropped to 100mg/week. Am getting bloods on Monday.

Currently at 97kg (213lb). Body fat estimate is around 20% maybe.

Diet

I generally eat the same breakfast and lunch everyday and then just a different dinner (cook for family).

Breakfast: (70P, 115C, 30F)
300g cooked white rice
60g protein powder
75g mixed berries
25g mixed nuts
8g cranberries
15g sultanas
2 x eggs
5 x fish oil

Lunch: (78P, 75C, 45F)
200g cooked white rice
250g (raw weight) meat (leftover from dinner)
Mixed veggies
Nut bar
2 x eggs
5 x fish oil

Dinner:
Varies
Typical breakdown: 65P, 35C, 50F
Example from last night:
250g rump steak
Lentils
Salad with kale, tomatoes, olives and avocado

Total (example from recently):
Calories: 3000
210P, 240C, 120F

Will post some photos I took today in the next post.

Supplement:
Multi
Magnesium
Zinc
Psyllium husk
Waiting for delivery:
Liver support
Astragalus
Probiotic
Digestive enzyme

Training

For the last few months I have been following Dorian Yates Blood and Guts. Just changed up the exercises recently.

30/08/25 - Day 1 - Shoulders and tri
Machine reverse fly (lbs I think)
60 x 13, 100x 12, 130 x 11, 160 x 10.5
Db lateral (kg each arm)
6 x 12 straight arm, 9 x 11 bent, 12.5 x 9 bent, 15 x 7 + 2 bent
Cable lateral (kg)
7.5 x 10
Db shoulder press (kg each)
9 x 12, 15 x 10, 22.5 x 8, 30 x 6
Cable pushdown (kg)
20x 12, 29 x 11, 36.5 x 10
Close grip smith (kg each side + bar)
17.5 x 11, 27.5 x 9, 36.25 x 8

31/08/25 - day 2 legs
Leg curl (kg)
45 x 12, 65 x 10, 85 x 9, 105 x 8.75
SLDL (kg)
30 x 12, 50 x 12, 65 x 10, 75 x 10, 85 x 11
Leg extension (kg)
61 x 13, 87 x 12, 110 x 10.75
Walking lunges (kg each)
9/9 x 11, 16/16 x 10, 24/20x 9
Leg press - strict/slow (kg)
80 x 14, 140 x 13, 200 x 11
Leg press machine calf
160 x 14, 240 x 12, 320 x 10, 380 x 10
Seated calf (kg)
45 x 12, 70 x 11

02/09/25 - Day 3
Chest and bicep
Flat DB (kg each)
15 x 14, 25 x 11, 32.5 x 8, 37.5 x 7
HS machine incline (kg)
30 x 11, 50 x 8, 65 x 7.75
Incline cable fly (kg each)
7.5 x 11, 10 x 9
Concentration curl (kg each)
9 x 10, 12.5x 19, 15 x 8, 17.5 x 10
Machine preacher (kg total)
17.5 x 11, 26.25 x 8, 33.25 x 9

04/09/25 - Day 4
Back and abs
Straight arm pulldown (lb)
35 x 12, 47.5x 12, 60 x 10
HS Close grip pulldown (kg total)
55 x 11, 80 x 10, 100 x 8
One arm db row (kg)
25 x 10, 35 x 8, 45 x 8
Wide HS chest supported row (kg)
85 x 12, 115 x 10
DB shrug (kg each)
25 x 12, 32.5 x 10

Cardio:
10 mins before and after workout (4 days a week)
20 min x twice a week
40 min x once a week

Proposed Cycle

Likely Test only (open to other suggestions) at around 400mg/week.

Based on my high E from 130mg/week TRT I'm assuming I'll need to start with an AI (have Armidex on hand).

Photos

I have photos to share. How do I get photos embedded instead of attached?

 

[waggat]

This, 2 eggs and a nut bar is my standard lunch (meat varies - normally leftover from dinner). This steak wasn't the best unfortunately.

 

[waggat]

This and 2 eggs is what I have for breakfast every day:

 

[waggat]

Dinner from tonight:

 

[s.gentz]

Hi all,

I've had lowish T for around 5 years but recently was prescribed TRT. Now that I've found Evo and have reliable sources I've decided to do my first ever cycle.

History

Been training regularly for close to 20 years. Unfortunately you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at me.

I started off as a 'been pole' - 6'3" and only 65-70kg (140-150lb).

Made decent gains in the first few years and in a few other periods but struggled with injuries at times.

Prior to TRT I don't think I made any gains in the last 5 years despite consistent training and good diet.

Since TRT I have been making steady gains.

TRT started at 130mg/week. A month ago I got bloods and was just above the range for both T and free T. E2 was very high (about 350 with a range of <160. No sides as far as I could tell. Because of this I dropped to 100mg/week. Am getting bloods on Monday.

Currently at 97kg (213lb). Body fat estimate is around 20% maybe.

Diet

I generally eat the same breakfast and lunch everyday and then just a different dinner (cook for family).

Breakfast: (70P, 115C, 30F)
300g cooked white rice
60g protein powder
75g mixed berries
25g mixed nuts
8g cranberries
15g sultanas
2 x eggs
5 x fish oil

Lunch: (78P, 75C, 45F)
200g cooked white rice
250g (raw weight) meat (leftover from dinner)
Mixed veggies
Nut bar
2 x eggs
5 x fish oil

Dinner:
Varies
Typical breakdown: 65P, 35C, 50F
Example from last night:
250g rump steak
Lentils
Salad with kale, tomatoes, olives and avocado

Total (example from recently):
Calories: 3000
210P, 240C, 120F

Will post some photos I took today in the next post.

Supplement:
Multi
Magnesium
Zinc
Psyllium husk
Waiting for delivery:
Liver support
Astragalus
Probiotic
Digestive enzyme

Training

For the last few months I have been following Dorian Yates Blood and Guts. Just changed up the exercises recently.

30/08/25 - Day 1 - Shoulders and tri
Machine reverse fly (lbs I think)
60 x 13, 100x 12, 130 x 11, 160 x 10.5
Db lateral (kg each arm)
6 x 12 straight arm, 9 x 11 bent, 12.5 x 9 bent, 15 x 7 + 2 bent
Cable lateral (kg)
7.5 x 10
Db shoulder press (kg each)
9 x 12, 15 x 10, 22.5 x 8, 30 x 6
Cable pushdown (kg)
20x 12, 29 x 11, 36.5 x 10
Close grip smith (kg each side + bar)
17.5 x 11, 27.5 x 9, 36.25 x 8

31/08/25 - day 2 legs
Leg curl (kg)
45 x 12, 65 x 10, 85 x 9, 105 x 8.75
SLDL (kg)
30 x 12, 50 x 12, 65 x 10, 75 x 10, 85 x 11
Leg extension (kg)
61 x 13, 87 x 12, 110 x 10.75
Walking lunges (kg each)
9/9 x 11, 16/16 x 10, 24/20x 9
Leg press - strict/slow (kg)
80 x 14, 140 x 13, 200 x 11
Leg press machine calf
160 x 14, 240 x 12, 320 x 10, 380 x 10
Seated calf (kg)
45 x 12, 70 x 11

02/09/25 - Day 3
Chest and bicep
Flat DB (kg each)
15 x 14, 25 x 11, 32.5 x 8, 37.5 x 7
HS machine incline (kg)
30 x 11, 50 x 8, 65 x 7.75
Incline cable fly (kg each)
7.5 x 11, 10 x 9
Concentration curl (kg each)
9 x 10, 12.5x 19, 15 x 8, 17.5 x 10
Machine preacher (kg total)
17.5 x 11, 26.25 x 8, 33.25 x 9

04/09/25 - Day 4
Back and abs
Straight arm pulldown (lb)
35 x 12, 47.5x 12, 60 x 10
HS Close grip pulldown (kg total)
55 x 11, 80 x 10, 100 x 8
One arm db row (kg)
25 x 10, 35 x 8, 45 x 8
Wide HS chest supported row (kg)
85 x 12, 115 x 10
DB shrug (kg each)
25 x 12, 32.5 x 10

Cardio:
10 mins before and after workout (4 days a week)
20 min x twice a week
40 min x once a week

Proposed Cycle

Likely Test only (open to other suggestions) at around 400mg/week.

Based on my high E from 130mg/week TRT I'm assuming I'll need to start with an AI (have Armidex on hand).

Photos

I have photos to share. How do I get photos embedded instead of attached?

400/wk test is a great cycle.
Get a log going so we can help you make this cycle a great success.

 

[waggat]

Photos of me.

As I mentioned above, unfortunately my physique doesn't reflect how long I've been training.

I started off very skinny. I've gained 25kg of scale weight (waist went from a small 32 to a large 34). Still doesn't look like much though.

 

[waggat]

400/wk test is a great cycle.
Get a log going so we can help you make this cycle a great success.

Hey mate, I've seen you on t-nation.

I'm hoping this gets turned into a log. Is that how it works?

 

[Kopite67]

This, 2 eggs and a nut bar is my standard lunch (meat varies - normally leftover from dinner). This steak wasn't the best unfortunately.

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Great looking food bro

 

[s.gentz]

Hey mate, I've seen you on t-nation.

I'm hoping this gets turned into a log. Is that how it works?

Start a new thread with the word "log" in the title. That will be your log.
Check out my logs in my signature. You can use them as a template if you like.
What's your handle on T Nation?

 

[LevButlerov]

History

Been training regularly for close to 20 years. Unfortunately you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at me.

I started off as a 'been pole' - 6'3" and only 65-70kg (140-150lb).

Made decent gains in the first few years and in a few other periods but struggled with injuries at times.

Prior to TRT I don't think I made any gains in the last 5 years despite consistent training and good diet.

Since TRT I have been making steady gains.

TRT started at 130mg/week. A month ago I got bloods and was just above the range for both T and free T. E2 was very high (about 350 with a range of <160. No sides as far as I could tell. Because of this I dropped to 100mg/week. Am getting bloods on Monday.

Currently at 97kg (213lb). Body fat estimate is around 20% maybe.

Welcome to the EVO family happy you are sharing with us, going on TRT can change your life and you're the best example of it.

We are waiting for your bloods, you have the old bloods? share please.

Diet

I generally eat the same breakfast and lunch everyday and then just a different dinner (cook for family).

Breakfast: (70P, 115C, 30F)
300g cooked white rice
60g protein powder
75g mixed berries
25g mixed nuts
8g cranberries
15g sultanas
2 x eggs
5 x fish oil

Lunch: (78P, 75C, 45F)
200g cooked white rice
250g (raw weight) meat (leftover from dinner)
Mixed veggies
Nut bar
2 x eggs
5 x fish oil

Dinner:
Varies
Typical breakdown: 65P, 35C, 50F
Example from last night:
250g rump steak
Lentils
Salad with kale, tomatoes, olives and avocado

Total (example from recently):
Calories: 3000
210P, 240C, 120F

Will post some photos I took today in the next post.

Supplement:
Multi
Magnesium
Zinc
Psyllium husk
Waiting for delivery:
Liver support
Astragalus
Probiotic
Digestive enzyme

Your fat is a big high drop by 20 grams and add more protein.
I LOVE seeing you adding probiotics and digestive enzymes, how about organ liver support like n2guard?

Training

For the last few months I have been following Dorian Yates Blood and Guts. Just changed up the exercises recently.

30/08/25 - Day 1 - Shoulders and tri
Machine reverse fly (lbs I think)
60 x 13, 100x 12, 130 x 11, 160 x 10.5
Db lateral (kg each arm)
6 x 12 straight arm, 9 x 11 bent, 12.5 x 9 bent, 15 x 7 + 2 bent
Cable lateral (kg)
7.5 x 10
Db shoulder press (kg each)
9 x 12, 15 x 10, 22.5 x 8, 30 x 6
Cable pushdown (kg)
20x 12, 29 x 11, 36.5 x 10
Close grip smith (kg each side + bar)
17.5 x 11, 27.5 x 9, 36.25 x 8

31/08/25 - day 2 legs
Leg curl (kg)
45 x 12, 65 x 10, 85 x 9, 105 x 8.75
SLDL (kg)
30 x 12, 50 x 12, 65 x 10, 75 x 10, 85 x 11
Leg extension (kg)
61 x 13, 87 x 12, 110 x 10.75
Walking lunges (kg each)
9/9 x 11, 16/16 x 10, 24/20x 9
Leg press - strict/slow (kg)
80 x 14, 140 x 13, 200 x 11
Leg press machine calf
160 x 14, 240 x 12, 320 x 10, 380 x 10
Seated calf (kg)
45 x 12, 70 x 11

02/09/25 - Day 3
Chest and bicep
Flat DB (kg each)
15 x 14, 25 x 11, 32.5 x 8, 37.5 x 7
HS machine incline (kg)
30 x 11, 50 x 8, 65 x 7.75
Incline cable fly (kg each)
7.5 x 11, 10 x 9
Concentration curl (kg each)
9 x 10, 12.5x 19, 15 x 8, 17.5 x 10
Machine preacher (kg total)
17.5 x 11, 26.25 x 8, 33.25 x 9

04/09/25 - Day 4
Back and abs
Straight arm pulldown (lb)
35 x 12, 47.5x 12, 60 x 10
HS Close grip pulldown (kg total)
55 x 11, 80 x 10, 100 x 8
One arm db row (kg)
25 x 10, 35 x 8, 45 x 8
Wide HS chest supported row (kg)
85 x 12, 115 x 10
DB shrug (kg each)
25 x 12, 32.5 x 10

Cardio:
10 mins before and after workout (4 days a week)
20 min x twice a week
40 min x once a week

Training, Cardio
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger,WHAT you do now is the base, how about when you move up?
cardio how much do you do? when etc

Proposed Cycle

Likely Test only (open to other suggestions) at around 400mg/week.

Based on my high E from 130mg/week TRT I'm assuming I'll need to start with an AI (have Armidex on hand).

I would go full on 500mgs/week but start with going to sports TRT 300mgs/week and move up 100mgs every time.

Photos

I have photos to share. How do I get photos embedded instead of attached?

looking.

This, 2 eggs and a nut bar is my standard lunch (meat varies - normally leftover from dinner). This steak wasn't the best unfortunately.

View attachment 116541

Looks clean

This and 2 eggs is what I have for breakfast every day:

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tasty but only 2 eggs?

Dinner from tonight:
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what is the tortilla made from?

Photos of me.

As I mentioned above, unfortunately my physique doesn't reflect how long I've been training.

I started off very skinny. I've gained 25kg of scale weight (waist went from a small 32 to a large 34). Still doesn't look like much though.

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You have a good base and you can grow from it easy, big moves going to happen on your cycle, EVO family supports you

are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

 

[waggat]

Start a new thread with the word "log" in the title. That will be your log.
Check out my logs in my signature. You can use them as a template if you like.
What's your handle on T Nation?

Looks like it was done.

Never used to post but read the shit out of it at times between about 2003 and 2014.

Will check out the logs.

 

[s.gentz]

Looks like it was done.

Never used to post but read the shit out of it at times between about 2003 and 2014.

Will check out the logs.

@LevButlerov tool care of you!!! Following.

 

[waggat]

Welcome to the EVO family happy you are sharing with us, going on TRT can change your life and you're the best example of it.

We are waiting for your bloods, you have the old bloods? share please.

Your fat is a big high drop by 20 grams and add more protein.
I LOVE seeing you adding probiotics and digestive enzymes, how about organ liver support like n2guard?

Training, Cardio
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger,WHAT you do now is the base, how about when you move up?
cardio how much do you do? when etc


I would go full on 500mgs/week but start with going to sports TRT 300mgs/week and move up 100mgs every time.

looking.

Looks clean

tasty but only 2 eggs?

what is the tortilla made from?

You have a good base and you can grow from it easy, big moves going to happen on your cycle, EVO family supports you

are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

Hey mate,
Thanks for the welcome and info.
Will post bloods up tomorrow.
Yes will drop fat and up protein.
Will see if I can get N2guard in Aus. In the meantime I ordered a liver support from a local sup company.
Will continue to post all workouts.
Cardio is currently 10 min before and after training (4 days), 20 min X 2days and 40 min X 1 day.
Currently have 2 eggs with breakfast and 2 with lunch.
That tortilla was a crappy wheat one .

 

[waggat]

@LevButlerov
Blood test results from before TRT. Note that before the test I had some bad sleep and it seems to have dropped the T and free T lower than normal. They would usually be around 10-12 total T and 250 free T.

 

[toddthelineman]

Photos of me.

As I mentioned above, unfortunately my physique doesn't reflect how long I've been training.

I started off very skinny. I've gained 25kg of scale weight (waist went from a small 32 to a large 34). Still doesn't look like much though.

View attachment 116563

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View attachment 116568

Great start to your log. And you know? You look way better than most guys around me. Way better. You’re going to put on real muscle with your cycle and if you lean out some you’ll have a much much more ‘internet comparable’ physique. Your food looks fantastic, you’ve already been training but now you’re going to be cooking with gas! This is going to be a good log!

 

[BeMe]

This and 2 eggs is what I have for breakfast every day:

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Great start to the log bro! Welcome to the EVO fam. You've come to the right place to get dialed in. Sorry to hear about the high e2. That's crazy considering how low your dose is. Hopefully the new bloods show a different result and that was a one off. If not you'll need to focus on compounds with low estrogenic sides and maybe some GH to feed off all that estrogen you got.

 

[waggat]

Great start to your log. And you know? You look way better than most guys around me. Way better. You’re going to put on real muscle with your cycle and if you lean out some you’ll have a much much more ‘internet comparable’ physique. Your food looks fantastic, you’ve already been training but now you’re going to be cooking with gas! This is going to be a good log!

Thanks mate. I've seen you comment in a lot of the logs of been reading.
Yeah hoping for lean gains on the cycle.
I suppose my pastie skin (no tan), bad lighting and dirty mirror (the wife is horrified) don't help the photos.

 

[waggat]

Great start to the log bro! Welcome to the EVO fam. You've come to the right place to get dialed in. Sorry to hear about the high e2. That's crazy considering how low your dose is. Hopefully the new bloods show a different result and that was a one off. If not you'll need to focus on compounds with low estrogenic sides and maybe some GH to feed off all that estrogen you got.

Hey mate, thanks for stopping by. Your log was the first one I read and I love all the detail you give.

I got a second blood test after cutting back from 130mg/week to 100mg/week. E dropped from 350 to 260 so at least that's a start.

Will see what the test in two days time says. I did actually take 0.25mg adex two days ago as I got paranoid about feeling sensitive nipples.

I was wondering about adding primo to (a lower amount) of test for the cycle but it seems all the suppliers are out in Aus.

 

[BeMe]

Thanks mate. I've seen you comment in a lot of the logs of been reading.
Yeah hoping for lean gains on the cycle.
I suppose my pastie skin (no tan), bad lighting and dirty mirror (the wife is horrified) don't help the photos.

All that means is when you post your progress photos later on they will look that much better!

Think your over estimating your body fat. Doesn't seem that bad to be honest with you. You'll respond great once you get your TRT dialed in. The main thing is figuring out if that e2 was just an off day or something else.

Either way tho I'm sure the more seasoned members here can figure a work around for you.

 

[BeMe]

Hey mate, thanks for stopping by. Your log was the first one I read and I love all the detail you give.

I got a second blood test after cutting back from 130mg/week to 100mg/week. E dropped from 350 to 260 so at least that's a start.

Will see what the test in two days time says. I did actually take 0.25mg adex two days ago as I got paranoid about feeling sensitive nipples.

I was wondering about adding primo to (a lower amount) of test for the cycle but it seems all the suppliers are out in Aus.

Thanks bro! Glad you enjoyed the log. I was on the podcast recently too speaking about the newbie experience and my first cycle.

Ya primo is all out around the world. Sux cuz it's the best AI compound for sure.

Some people get Ai effects from mast, but that's hit and miss. EQ is a good substitute for primo and I know the Aussie guys love EQ.

Arimidex is good, but Aromasin would be better if you can get it. You don't want to have to run an AI with your TRT dose though cuz it's not safe long term. You'll have to figure out a test dose that keeps your e2 in range then go from there

 

[waggat]

Here are part of my bloods while on TRT.

The first is after 8 weeks. I think I did about 2 weeks at 150mg/week then dropped to 130mg/week.

The second is after dropping to 100mg/week. I don't think I waited long enough after dropping TBH (3 weeks from memory). Also the first was 4 days after last pin and the second was 3. Not sure how much difference that makes.

 

[waggat]

Thanks bro! Glad you enjoyed the log. I was on the podcast recently too speaking about the newbie experience and my first cycle.

Ya primo is all out around the world. Sux cuz it's the best AI compound for sure.

Some people get Ai effects from mast, but that's hit and miss. EQ is a good substitute for primo and I know the Aussie guys love EQ.

Arimidex is good, but Aromasin would be better if you can get it. You don't want to have to run an AI with your TRT dose though cuz it's not safe long term. You'll have to figure out a test dose that keeps your e2 in range then go from there

Yeah I jumped the gun and bought the Armidex based of the stuff I read 10 years ago. Seemed more common to run it with TRT back then. And then when I read newer stuff I saw that the preference now seems to be Aromasin. I can get that, just a shame to waste the $80 of Armidex.

 

[BeMe]

Here are part of my bloods while on TRT.

The first is after 8 weeks. I think I did about 2 weeks at 150mg/week then dropped to 130mg/week.

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The second is after dropping to 100mg/week. I don't think I waited long enough after dropping TBH (3 weeks from memory). Also the first was 4 days after last pin and the second was 3. Not sure how much difference that makes.

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Yes it's too early. You should be waiting 6 weeks before doing the blood work everytime you adjust your dose. Your e2 was probably lower at 100mg.

Yeah I jumped the gun and bought the Armidex based of the stuff I read 10 years ago. Seemed more common to run it with TRT back then. And then when I read newer stuff I saw that the preference now seems to be Aromasin. I can get that, just a shame to waste the $80 of Armidex.

From what I understand there's nothing wrong with arimidex, you just need to be much more careful with your dosing because of the way it works. It's a lot easier to totally crush your e2 accidentally with arimidex.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey mate,
Thanks for the welcome and info.
Will post bloods up tomorrow.
Yes will drop fat and up protein.
Will see if I can get N2guard in Aus. In the meantime I ordered a liver support from a local sup company.
Will continue to post all workouts.
Cardio is currently 10 min before and after training (4 days), 20 min X 2days and 40 min X 1 day.
Currently have 2 eggs with breakfast and 2 with lunch.
That tortilla was a crappy wheat one .

@LevButlerov
Blood test results from before TRT. Note that before the test I had some bad sleep and it seems to have dropped the T and free T lower than normal. They would usually be around 10-12 total T and 250 free T.

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This is before TRT? very low, did you have low energy with this?

 

[waggat]

This is before TRT? very low, did you have low energy with this?

Low energy, very low libido, brain fog and very little to no gains in the gym.

It seems to have fixed all of that except the brain fog. Although I'm wondering if that could be due to the elevated E.

 

[LevButlerov]

Low energy, very low libido, brain fog and very little to no gains in the gym.

It seems to have fixed all of that except the brain fog. Although I'm wondering if that could be due to the elevated E.

Brain fog could be e2 or could be your overall issue with diet training, as we dive deeper into this log and you update us more we can tell more. thats the key here is frequent updates. @waggat
did you start an ai?

 

[waggat]

Brain fog could be e2 or could be your overall issue with diet training, as we dive deeper into this log and you update us more we can tell more. thats the key here is frequent updates. @waggat
did you start an ai?

Ok. Thanks for your help.

I will get bloods Monday morning (for my TRT clinic) then take my first cycle dose after that. Plan is to start AI then. But also took one dose of 0.25mg 2 days ago. Not sure if a single dose is noticeable?

Do you think Test only cycle is ok given how the TRT seems to have spiked my E? What would be a good starting dose and frequency for the Armidex?

 

[waggat]

Todays workout

10min treadmill
10min yoga style stretching and activation

06/09/25 - Day 1 - Shoulders and tri
Machine reverse fly (lb)
60 x 14, 105x 12, 135 x 11, 165 x 10.5
Db lateral (kg each)
6 x 12, 9 x 11, 12.5 x 9, 15 x 8+2
Cable lateral (kg)
5+2p x 10.75
Db shoulder press (kg db's)
9 x 12, 15 x 12, 22.5 x 8, 30 x 6
Cable pushdown (kg)
19 x 14, 28 x 12, 36.5 x 11
Close grip smith (kg +bar)
35 x 11, 55 x 9, 72.5 x 9

10min treadmill

Not a bad workout. Progress on some exercises but not others. Wasn't the best nights sleep so I'm putting it down to that.

 

[BeMe]

Low energy, very low libido, brain fog and very little to no gains in the gym.

It seems to have fixed all of that except the brain fog. Although I'm wondering if that could be due to the elevated E.

I noticed there's no creatine or fish oil in your supplement stack @waggat

Is that still the case?

Both are shown to improve brain function, amongst so many other improvements.

 

[waggat]

I noticed there's no creatine or fish oil in your supplement stack @waggat

Is that still the case?

Both are shown to improve brain function, amongst so many other improvements.

Am I meant to @ when I reply to people?

Sorry I have fish oil under the meals (5 with breakfast and 5 with lunch).

Ordered creatine recently and should arrive Monday.

 

[Kopite67]

Am I meant to @ when I reply to people?

Sorry I have fish oil under the meals (5 with breakfast and 5 with lunch).

Ordered creatine recently and should arrive Monday.

Just replying is enough bro. The @BeMe, (for instance) will ensure it also goes specifically to that brother or sister as well

 

[BeMe]

Am I meant to @ when I reply to people?

Sorry I have fish oil under the meals (5 with breakfast and 5 with lunch).

Ordered creatine recently and should arrive Monday.

Hmmm can't find it..maybe I'm blind.

How much are you taking?

Creatine you'll want to start at 5g and see how your stomach feels. That for a week or so then start bumping it up til find how much you can tolerate. Running 10g will help you get to saturation sooner. I saw something recently suggesting up to 15g day might warranted.

Is the brain fog TRT related or was it happening before too?

 

[waggat]

Hmmm can't find it..maybe I'm blind.

How much are you taking?

Creatine you'll want to start at 5g and see how your stomach feels. That for a week or so then start bumping it up til find how much you can tolerate. Running 10g will help you get to saturation sooner. I saw something recently suggesting up to 15g day might warranted.

Is the brain fog TRT related or was it happening before too?

Regarding the fish oil, it's in my first post under diet and I list what I eat for breakfast, lunch and dinner. 5g (5 capsules) x twice a day.

Understood re the creatine.

I had brain fog before the trt. I still have it now but it seems different. Can't really explain how. That's why I was wondering if the 'new' brain fog could be related to elevated E.

In saying all of that, it's not the worst. Noticeable but doesn't affect me too much.

 

[stevesmi]

This, 2 eggs and a nut bar is my standard lunch (meat varies - normally leftover from dinner). This steak wasn't the best unfortunately.

View attachment 116541

really clean looking meal. welcome to the forum @waggat we are honored to have you on here

 

[waggat]

really clean looking meal. welcome to the forum @waggat we are honored to have you on here

Thanks very much mate! I see you helping out on all the logs I read. Gotta say, it's awesome how supportive this place is hey!

 

[BeMe]

Regarding the fish oil, it's in my first post under diet and I list what I eat for breakfast, lunch and dinner. 5g (5 capsules) x twice a day.

Understood re the creatine.

I had brain fog before the trt. I still have it now but it seems different. Can't really explain how. That's why I was wondering if the 'new' brain fog could be related to elevated E.

In saying all of that, it's not the worst. Noticeable but doesn't affect me too much.

Let's wait and see if it sorts out with the e2. The creatine should help once it reaches saturation.

You might want to start looking into nootropics. There's some pretty good supplements out there and some specifically targets at brain fog.

It's been a while since I've used nootropics so I'm a bit rusty. I was dealing with some brain fog issues like 10 years ago, so my info probably wouldn't even be relevant at this point anyway.

 

[Pat7x]

Photos of me.

As I mentioned above, unfortunately my physique doesn't reflect how long I've been training.

I started off very skinny. I've gained 25kg of scale weight (waist went from a small 32 to a large 34). Still doesn't look like much though.

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Looking good!

 

[Mobster]

Thanks bro! Glad you enjoyed the log. I was on the podcast recently too speaking about the newbie experience and my first cycle.

Ya primo is all out around the world. Sux cuz it's the best AI compound for sure.

Some people get Ai effects from mast, but that's hit and miss. EQ is a good substitute for primo and I know the Aussie guys love EQ.

Arimidex is good, but Aromasin would be better if you can get it. You don't want to have to run an AI with your TRT dose though cuz it's not safe long term. You'll have to figure out a test dose that keeps your e2 in range then go from there

Great reply by BeMe

 

[waggat]

Daily totals:
Cals - 3006, 267P, 250C, 110F

Some meal photos.

Prepping some chicken (had some of this for lunch).

Dinner (leftover taco mince from last night).

 

[BeMe]

Daily totals:
Cals - 3006, 267P, 250C, 110F

Some meal photos.

Prepping some chicken (had some of this for lunch).

View attachment 116859


Dinner (leftover taco mince from last night).

View attachment 116860

I'm waiting on breakfast right now and damn these pictures are making me hungry!!!!

That looks like a really healthy and delicious plate! My mouth is LITERALLY watering right now lol. No joke

 

[BodyMonster34]

Hi all,

I've had lowish T for around 5 years but recently was prescribed TRT. Now that I've found Evo and have reliable sources I've decided to do my first ever cycle.

History

Been training regularly for close to 20 years. Unfortunately you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at me.

I started off as a 'been pole' - 6'3" and only 65-70kg (140-150lb).

Made decent gains in the first few years and in a few other periods but struggled with injuries at times.

Prior to TRT I don't think I made any gains in the last 5 years despite consistent training and good diet.

Since TRT I have been making steady gains.

TRT started at 130mg/week. A month ago I got bloods and was just above the range for both T and free T. E2 was very high (about 350 with a range of <160. No sides as far as I could tell. Because of this I dropped to 100mg/week. Am getting bloods on Monday.

Currently at 97kg (213lb). Body fat estimate is around 20% maybe.

Diet

I generally eat the same breakfast and lunch everyday and then just a different dinner (cook for family).

Breakfast: (70P, 115C, 30F)
300g cooked white rice
60g protein powder
75g mixed berries
25g mixed nuts
8g cranberries
15g sultanas
2 x eggs
5 x fish oil

Lunch: (78P, 75C, 45F)
200g cooked white rice
250g (raw weight) meat (leftover from dinner)
Mixed veggies
Nut bar
2 x eggs
5 x fish oil

Dinner:
Varies
Typical breakdown: 65P, 35C, 50F
Example from last night:
250g rump steak
Lentils
Salad with kale, tomatoes, olives and avocado

Total (example from recently):
Calories: 3000
210P, 240C, 120F

Will post some photos I took today in the next post.

Supplement:
Multi
Magnesium
Zinc
Psyllium husk
Waiting for delivery:
Liver support
Astragalus
Probiotic
Digestive enzyme

Training

For the last few months I have been following Dorian Yates Blood and Guts. Just changed up the exercises recently.

30/08/25 - Day 1 - Shoulders and tri
Machine reverse fly (lbs I think)
60 x 13, 100x 12, 130 x 11, 160 x 10.5
Db lateral (kg each arm)
6 x 12 straight arm, 9 x 11 bent, 12.5 x 9 bent, 15 x 7 + 2 bent
Cable lateral (kg)
7.5 x 10
Db shoulder press (kg each)
9 x 12, 15 x 10, 22.5 x 8, 30 x 6
Cable pushdown (kg)
20x 12, 29 x 11, 36.5 x 10
Close grip smith (kg each side + bar)
17.5 x 11, 27.5 x 9, 36.25 x 8

31/08/25 - day 2 legs
Leg curl (kg)
45 x 12, 65 x 10, 85 x 9, 105 x 8.75
SLDL (kg)
30 x 12, 50 x 12, 65 x 10, 75 x 10, 85 x 11
Leg extension (kg)
61 x 13, 87 x 12, 110 x 10.75
Walking lunges (kg each)
9/9 x 11, 16/16 x 10, 24/20x 9
Leg press - strict/slow (kg)
80 x 14, 140 x 13, 200 x 11
Leg press machine calf
160 x 14, 240 x 12, 320 x 10, 380 x 10
Seated calf (kg)
45 x 12, 70 x 11

02/09/25 - Day 3
Chest and bicep
Flat DB (kg each)
15 x 14, 25 x 11, 32.5 x 8, 37.5 x 7
HS machine incline (kg)
30 x 11, 50 x 8, 65 x 7.75
Incline cable fly (kg each)
7.5 x 11, 10 x 9
Concentration curl (kg each)
9 x 10, 12.5x 19, 15 x 8, 17.5 x 10
Machine preacher (kg total)
17.5 x 11, 26.25 x 8, 33.25 x 9

04/09/25 - Day 4
Back and abs
Straight arm pulldown (lb)
35 x 12, 47.5x 12, 60 x 10
HS Close grip pulldown (kg total)
55 x 11, 80 x 10, 100 x 8
One arm db row (kg)
25 x 10, 35 x 8, 45 x 8
Wide HS chest supported row (kg)
85 x 12, 115 x 10
DB shrug (kg each)
25 x 12, 32.5 x 10

Cardio:
10 mins before and after workout (4 days a week)
20 min x twice a week
40 min x once a week

Proposed Cycle

Likely Test only (open to other suggestions) at around 400mg/week.

Based on my high E from 130mg/week TRT I'm assuming I'll need to start with an AI (have Armidex on hand).

Photos

I have photos to share. How do I get photos embedded instead of attached?

bro i like bodybuilder trt. or atleast sports trt. you only live once. and i like to cruise on tren year round but that me lol @waggat

 

[BeMe]

bro i like bodybuilder trt. or atleast sports trt. you only live once. and i like to cruise on tren year round but that me lol @waggat

BB TRT, Tren, Hooch, and beef

The @BodyMonster34 certified cruising stack lol

 

[BodyMonster34]

BB TRT, Tren, Hooch, and beef

The @BodyMonster34 certified cruising stack lol

bro you learning finally. atleast we got 1 smart person on here who learns

but you missing lot lizards too

 

[BeMe]

bro you learning finally. atleast we got 1 smart person on here who learns

but you missing lot lizards too

Still got more to learn obviously. You're a good teacher. I'll get there eventually lol

 

[2Thick]

This, 2 eggs and a nut bar is my standard lunch (meat varies - normally leftover from dinner). This steak wasn't the best unfortunately.

View attachment 116541

this is a good quality meal. if you keep this up you will lean up nicely. hit a lot of fasted cardio it will help @waggat

 

[ceo]

Hi all,

I've had lowish T for around 5 years but recently was prescribed TRT. Now that I've found Evo and have reliable sources I've decided to do my first ever cycle.

History

Been training regularly for close to 20 years. Unfortunately you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at me.

I started off as a 'been pole' - 6'3" and only 65-70kg (140-150lb).

Made decent gains in the first few years and in a few other periods but struggled with injuries at times.

Prior to TRT I don't think I made any gains in the last 5 years despite consistent training and good diet.

Since TRT I have been making steady gains.

TRT started at 130mg/week. A month ago I got bloods and was just above the range for both T and free T. E2 was very high (about 350 with a range of <160. No sides as far as I could tell. Because of this I dropped to 100mg/week. Am getting bloods on Monday.

Currently at 97kg (213lb). Body fat estimate is around 20% maybe.

Diet

I generally eat the same breakfast and lunch everyday and then just a different dinner (cook for family).

Breakfast: (70P, 115C, 30F)
300g cooked white rice
60g protein powder
75g mixed berries
25g mixed nuts
8g cranberries
15g sultanas
2 x eggs
5 x fish oil

Lunch: (78P, 75C, 45F)
200g cooked white rice
250g (raw weight) meat (leftover from dinner)
Mixed veggies
Nut bar
2 x eggs
5 x fish oil

Dinner:
Varies
Typical breakdown: 65P, 35C, 50F
Example from last night:
250g rump steak
Lentils
Salad with kale, tomatoes, olives and avocado

Total (example from recently):
Calories: 3000
210P, 240C, 120F

Will post some photos I took today in the next post.

Supplement:
Multi
Magnesium
Zinc
Psyllium husk
Waiting for delivery:
Liver support
Astragalus
Probiotic
Digestive enzyme

Training

For the last few months I have been following Dorian Yates Blood and Guts. Just changed up the exercises recently.

30/08/25 - Day 1 - Shoulders and tri
Machine reverse fly (lbs I think)
60 x 13, 100x 12, 130 x 11, 160 x 10.5
Db lateral (kg each arm)
6 x 12 straight arm, 9 x 11 bent, 12.5 x 9 bent, 15 x 7 + 2 bent
Cable lateral (kg)
7.5 x 10
Db shoulder press (kg each)
9 x 12, 15 x 10, 22.5 x 8, 30 x 6
Cable pushdown (kg)
20x 12, 29 x 11, 36.5 x 10
Close grip smith (kg each side + bar)
17.5 x 11, 27.5 x 9, 36.25 x 8

31/08/25 - day 2 legs
Leg curl (kg)
45 x 12, 65 x 10, 85 x 9, 105 x 8.75
SLDL (kg)
30 x 12, 50 x 12, 65 x 10, 75 x 10, 85 x 11
Leg extension (kg)
61 x 13, 87 x 12, 110 x 10.75
Walking lunges (kg each)
9/9 x 11, 16/16 x 10, 24/20x 9
Leg press - strict/slow (kg)
80 x 14, 140 x 13, 200 x 11
Leg press machine calf
160 x 14, 240 x 12, 320 x 10, 380 x 10
Seated calf (kg)
45 x 12, 70 x 11

02/09/25 - Day 3
Chest and bicep
Flat DB (kg each)
15 x 14, 25 x 11, 32.5 x 8, 37.5 x 7
HS machine incline (kg)
30 x 11, 50 x 8, 65 x 7.75
Incline cable fly (kg each)
7.5 x 11, 10 x 9
Concentration curl (kg each)
9 x 10, 12.5x 19, 15 x 8, 17.5 x 10
Machine preacher (kg total)
17.5 x 11, 26.25 x 8, 33.25 x 9

04/09/25 - Day 4
Back and abs
Straight arm pulldown (lb)
35 x 12, 47.5x 12, 60 x 10
HS Close grip pulldown (kg total)
55 x 11, 80 x 10, 100 x 8
One arm db row (kg)
25 x 10, 35 x 8, 45 x 8
Wide HS chest supported row (kg)
85 x 12, 115 x 10
DB shrug (kg each)
25 x 12, 32.5 x 10

Cardio:
10 mins before and after workout (4 days a week)
20 min x twice a week
40 min x once a week

Proposed Cycle

Likely Test only (open to other suggestions) at around 400mg/week.

Based on my high E from 130mg/week TRT I'm assuming I'll need to start with an AI (have Armidex on hand).

Photos

I have photos to share. How do I get photos embedded instead of attached?

@waggat bros good start to this log. so far looking good! can't wait to see results

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks very much mate! I see you helping out on all the logs I read. Gotta say, it's awesome how supportive this place is hey!

That’s what we do man. Welcome

 

[ROIDDERS]

Hi all,

I've had lowish T for around 5 years but recently was prescribed TRT. Now that I've found Evo and have reliable sources I've decided to do my first ever cycle.

History

Been training regularly for close to 20 years. Unfortunately you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at me.

I started off as a 'been pole' - 6'3" and only 65-70kg (140-150lb).

Made decent gains in the first few years and in a few other periods but struggled with injuries at times.

Prior to TRT I don't think I made any gains in the last 5 years despite consistent training and good diet.

Since TRT I have been making steady gains.

TRT started at 130mg/week. A month ago I got bloods and was just above the range for both T and free T. E2 was very high (about 350 with a range of <160. No sides as far as I could tell. Because of this I dropped to 100mg/week. Am getting bloods on Monday.

Currently at 97kg (213lb). Body fat estimate is around 20% maybe.

Diet

I generally eat the same breakfast and lunch everyday and then just a different dinner (cook for family).

Breakfast: (70P, 115C, 30F)
300g cooked white rice
60g protein powder
75g mixed berries
25g mixed nuts
8g cranberries
15g sultanas
2 x eggs
5 x fish oil

Lunch: (78P, 75C, 45F)
200g cooked white rice
250g (raw weight) meat (leftover from dinner)
Mixed veggies
Nut bar
2 x eggs
5 x fish oil

Dinner:
Varies
Typical breakdown: 65P, 35C, 50F
Example from last night:
250g rump steak
Lentils
Salad with kale, tomatoes, olives and avocado

Total (example from recently):
Calories: 3000
210P, 240C, 120F

Will post some photos I took today in the next post.

Supplement:
Multi
Magnesium
Zinc
Psyllium husk
Waiting for delivery:
Liver support
Astragalus
Probiotic
Digestive enzyme

Training

For the last few months I have been following Dorian Yates Blood and Guts. Just changed up the exercises recently.

30/08/25 - Day 1 - Shoulders and tri
Machine reverse fly (lbs I think)
60 x 13, 100x 12, 130 x 11, 160 x 10.5
Db lateral (kg each arm)
6 x 12 straight arm, 9 x 11 bent, 12.5 x 9 bent, 15 x 7 + 2 bent
Cable lateral (kg)
7.5 x 10
Db shoulder press (kg each)
9 x 12, 15 x 10, 22.5 x 8, 30 x 6
Cable pushdown (kg)
20x 12, 29 x 11, 36.5 x 10
Close grip smith (kg each side + bar)
17.5 x 11, 27.5 x 9, 36.25 x 8

31/08/25 - day 2 legs
Leg curl (kg)
45 x 12, 65 x 10, 85 x 9, 105 x 8.75
SLDL (kg)
30 x 12, 50 x 12, 65 x 10, 75 x 10, 85 x 11
Leg extension (kg)
61 x 13, 87 x 12, 110 x 10.75
Walking lunges (kg each)
9/9 x 11, 16/16 x 10, 24/20x 9
Leg press - strict/slow (kg)
80 x 14, 140 x 13, 200 x 11
Leg press machine calf
160 x 14, 240 x 12, 320 x 10, 380 x 10
Seated calf (kg)
45 x 12, 70 x 11

02/09/25 - Day 3
Chest and bicep
Flat DB (kg each)
15 x 14, 25 x 11, 32.5 x 8, 37.5 x 7
HS machine incline (kg)
30 x 11, 50 x 8, 65 x 7.75
Incline cable fly (kg each)
7.5 x 11, 10 x 9
Concentration curl (kg each)
9 x 10, 12.5x 19, 15 x 8, 17.5 x 10
Machine preacher (kg total)
17.5 x 11, 26.25 x 8, 33.25 x 9

04/09/25 - Day 4
Back and abs
Straight arm pulldown (lb)
35 x 12, 47.5x 12, 60 x 10
HS Close grip pulldown (kg total)
55 x 11, 80 x 10, 100 x 8
One arm db row (kg)
25 x 10, 35 x 8, 45 x 8
Wide HS chest supported row (kg)
85 x 12, 115 x 10
DB shrug (kg each)
25 x 12, 32.5 x 10

Cardio:
10 mins before and after workout (4 days a week)
20 min x twice a week
40 min x once a week

Proposed Cycle

Likely Test only (open to other suggestions) at around 400mg/week.

Based on my high E from 130mg/week TRT I'm assuming I'll need to start with an AI (have Armidex on hand).

Photos

I have photos to share. How do I get photos embedded instead of attached?

don't worry about how you look or think you look. look at the other logs. we will help you get into the best shape of your life @waggat

 

[waggat]

bro i like bodybuilder trt. or atleast sports trt. you only live once. and i like to cruise on tren year round but that me lol @waggat

Hey mate, following this cycle (starts tomorrow) I'll have to work out what I can do. I'd like to be able to run 200mg/week as a TRT+ or sport TRT but that's not looking good based on my E levels on 130mg/week.

 

[waggat]

this is a good quality meal. if you keep this up you will lean up nicely. hit a lot of fasted cardio it will help @waggat

Hey mate, I've added fasted cardio in about 2 weeks ago. 15 mins before and after training (4 days) and 30 min on the other days.

 

[waggat]

@waggat bros good start to this log. so far looking good! can't wait to see results

Thanks mate. Can't wait to start this cycle tomorrow. I also think I will get a big improvement from properly tracking food (only been doing this the last 2 weeks).

 

[waggat]

don't worry about how you look or think you look. look at the other logs. we will help you get into the best shape of your life @waggat

Thanks mate. So awesome how helpful everyone here on Evo is.

 

[Ulter]

This, 2 eggs and a nut bar is my standard lunch (meat varies - normally leftover from dinner). This steak wasn't the best unfortunately.

View attachment 116541

wow good work on all of this @waggat you are starting this log off on the right foot with some crazy good eats. welcome to the EVO family

 

[waggat]

wow good work on all of this @waggat you are starting this log off on the right foot with some crazy good eats. welcome to the EVO family

Thanks a lot mate! Your profile pic is insane!

 

[waggat]

Todays workout.

10 min incline treadmill
10 min yoga style stretching and activation

Day 2 - legs

Recently switched to doing hamstrings first.

Leg curl ( lb)
45 x 12, 65 x 12, 85 x 11, 105 x 10
These felt heavy but then I realised I did a few more reps on each set than last time.

SLDL (kg)
30 x 15, 50 x 15, 65 x 12, 75 x 14
Dropped the weight on these and increased the reps. Felt much better.

Leg extension (kg)
61 x 14, 87 x 13, 110 x 11
These felt really good.

Walking lunges (kg each hand)
10 x 10, 18 x 9, 24x 8
Increased the weight and dropped the reps otherwise I run out of gas well before failure

Leg press (kg)
100 x 15, 160 x 14, 200 x 13
Doing these slow and deeper now

Leg press calf
160 x 14, 240 x 12, 320 x 10, 380 x 10

Seated calf (kg)
20/25 x 12, 35/35 x 11

10 min incline treadmill

 

[toddthelineman]

Hey mate, following this cycle (starts tomorrow) I'll have to work out what I can do. I'd like to be able to run 200mg/week as a TRT+ or sport TRT but that's not looking good based on my E levels on 130mg/week.

Yeah that’s pretty high, huh? I haven’t seen a whole lot of bloodwork but I’m sure that’s the highest aromatization I’ve seen. I use aromasin when I need it. I can’t even tell I take it, but it took my e2 from 90s to 30s. No more bacne. I was taking 210mg/ week test e and microdosing hcg. If you can only take 80mg or something for trt and then use ai for short mini cycles, that might work good. Or maybe low dose trt and a non aromatizing anabolic. Maybe EQ.

 

[waggat]

Yeah that’s pretty high, huh? I haven’t seen a whole lot of bloodwork but I’m sure that’s the highest aromatization I’ve seen. I use aromasin when I need it. I can’t even tell I take it, but it took my e2 from 90s to 30s. No more bacne. I was taking 210mg/ week test e and microdosing hcg. If you can only take 80mg or something for trt and then use ai for short mini cycles, that might work good. Or maybe low dose trt and a non aromatizing anabolic. Maybe EQ.

Yeah crazy the levels from around 130mg/week. Surprising that I didn't see obvious symptoms (possible brain fog but can't be certain).

I don't think I noticed any gyno symptoms... and I was paranoid about this as I have mild gyno from puberty.

I think once my levels stabilise from the 100mg/week dose started around 3-4 weeks ago it should be a lot better (based on already seeing a significant reduction on the 3 week test).

At least my test levels were high from the lowish dose (both T and free T just above the range from 130mg/week).

 

[toddthelineman]

Yeah crazy the levels from around 130mg/week. Surprising that I didn't see obvious symptoms (possible brain fog but can't be certain).

I don't think I noticed any gyno symptoms... and I was paranoid about this as I have mild gyno from puberty.

I think once my levels stabilise from the 100mg/week dose started around 3-4 weeks ago it should be a lot better (based on already seeing a significant reduction on the 3 week test).

At least my test levels were high from the lowish dose (both T and free T just above the range from 130mg/week).

You think the trt on top of what your natural levels were has your e2 higher than what it will be?

 

[LevButlerov]

Ok. Thanks for your help.

I will get bloods Monday morning (for my TRT clinic) then take my first cycle dose after that. Plan is to start AI then. But also took one dose of 0.25mg 2 days ago. Not sure if a single dose is noticeable?

Do you think Test only cycle is ok given how the TRT seems to have spiked my E? What would be a good starting dose and frequency for the Armidex?

I think a cycle is ok as long as you go with aromasin 12.5mgs EOD fro the first 2 weeks and we retest 3 weeks into the cycle. @waggat

Todays workout

10min treadmill
10min yoga style stretching and activation

06/09/25 - Day 1 - Shoulders and tri
Machine reverse fly (lb)
60 x 14, 105x 12, 135 x 11, 165 x 10.5
Db lateral (kg each)
6 x 12, 9 x 11, 12.5 x 9, 15 x 8+2
Cable lateral (kg)
5+2p x 10.75
Db shoulder press (kg db's)
9 x 12, 15 x 12, 22.5 x 8, 30 x 6
Cable pushdown (kg)
19 x 14, 28 x 12, 36.5 x 11
Close grip smith (kg +bar)
35 x 11, 55 x 9, 72.5 x 9

10min treadmill

Not a bad workout. Progress on some exercises but not others. Wasn't the best nights sleep so I'm putting it down to that.

Not bad at all but cardio should be 15/15 pre post.

Regarding the fish oil, it's in my first post under diet and I list what I eat for breakfast, lunch and dinner. 5g (5 capsules) x twice a day.

Daily totals:
Cals - 3006, 267P, 250C, 110F

Some meal photos.

Prepping some chicken (had some of this for lunch).

View attachment 116859


Dinner (leftover taco mince from last night).

View attachment 116860

I love the dinner look, perfect beautiful food very nicely put together.
And meal prep chicken breast is a win.

 

[waggat]

You think the trt on top of what your natural levels were has your e2 higher than what it will be?

Sorry mate, what you mean by this?

 

[waggat]

I think a cycle is ok as long as you go with aromasin 12.5mgs EOD fro the first 2 weeks and we retest 3 weeks into the cycle. @waggat

Not bad at all but cardio should be 15/15 pre post.


I love the dinner look, perfect beautiful food very nicely put together.
And meal prep chicken breast is a win.

@LevButlerov Are you ok with Armidex (just what I have on hand). I'm happy to buy Aromasin otherwise.

Will increase the cardio as you say.

 

[waggat]

First time using the psyllium husk. I'm just going to add it to my breakfast meal like this:

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov Are you ok with Armidex (just what I have on hand). I'm happy to buy Aromasin otherwise.

Will increase the cardio as you say.

Arimidex will work as well for now but if you can get aromasin. @waggat

First time using the psyllium husk. I'm just going to add it to my breakfast meal like this:

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wait you're going to scoop eat the psyllium? you are hardcore! but you need water after asap.

 

[waggat]

Arimidex will work as well for now but if you can get aromasin. @waggat

wait you're going to scoop eat the psyllium? you are hardcore! but you need water after asap.

@LevButlerov No I mix it all in with that 'slurry'. Yeah I noticed I had to put a bunch of extra water an as the psyllium husk draws a lot of moisture.

Ok I'll start with Armidex and order some Aromasin shortly. Should I start low at like 0.25mg 3 times a week or EOD or more like 0.5mg?

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov No I mix it all in with that 'slurry'. Yeah I noticed I had to put a bunch of extra water an as the psyllium husk draws a lot of moisture.

Yup the psyllium is a moisture hog, drink water after.

Ok I'll start with Armidex and order some Aromasin shortly. Should I start low at like 0.25mg 3 times a week or EOD or more like 0.5mg?

with arimidex 0.25mgs eod to start lets see how you do. @waggat

 

[2Thick]

Hey mate, I've added fasted cardio in about 2 weeks ago. 15 mins before and after training (4 days) and 30 min on the other days.

that is good. try and do it daily

 

[Ulter]

Thanks a lot mate! Your profile pic is insane!

you should check my log. its in my signature below

 

[BodyMonster34]

Still got more to learn obviously. You're a good teacher. I'll get there eventually lol

bro okay let hit it together then

 

[BodyMonster34]

Hey mate, following this cycle (starts tomorrow) I'll have to work out what I can do. I'd like to be able to run 200mg/week as a TRT+ or sport TRT but that's not looking good based on my E levels on 130mg/week.

bro hell yeah that sound good to me

 

[ROIDDERS]

Thanks mate. So awesome how helpful everyone here on Evo is.

yes that is true. EVO family sticks together

 

[ceo]

Thanks mate. Can't wait to start this cycle tomorrow. I also think I will get a big improvement from properly tracking food (only been doing this the last 2 weeks).

bros we gonna support you!

 

[BeMe]

bro okay let hit it together then

We already are. Remember, you shank high and I go low. Marry Poppins ain't gonna know what hit him

 

[BeMe]

Hey mate, following this cycle (starts tomorrow) I'll have to work out what I can do. I'd like to be able to run 200mg/week as a TRT+ or sport TRT but that's not looking good based on my E levels on 130mg/week.

Because of your high e2 you might be better off running low test and a DHT derivative like primo, mast, or EQ. You could still probably up your test from 130mg cuz the other compounds work like an AI to some extent.

Weren't you gonna get new bloodwork before you started a cycle? Or am I confusing you with someone else.

 

[toddthelineman]

Sorry mate, what you mean by this?

Like your first blood test was a little early. You had endogenous and exogenous test in your body at the same time. If I read your log correctly. Because your e2 is very high for your dose, but so is your total t. Maybe I’m way off. What do you think?

 

[waggat]

Because of your high e2 you might be better off running low test and a DHT derivative like primo, mast, or EQ. You could still probably up your test from 130mg cuz the other compounds work like an AI to some extent.

Weren't you gonna get new bloodwork before you started a cycle? Or am I confusing you with someone else.

Yep blood test tomorrow morning and start after that.

I just mean in the future between cycles.

 

[waggat]

Like your first blood test was a little early. You had endogenous and exogenous test in your body at the same time. If I read your log correctly. Because your e2 is very high for your dose, but so is your total t. Maybe I’m way off. What do you think?

First test was 8 weeks after starting TRT. LH and FSH shows natural production was fully shut down. Maybe I'm a hyper-responder (but also a hyper-aromatiser unfortunately).

The promising thing was that my second test (only 3 weeks after dropping from 130 to 100) showed a decent improvement in E (360 to 260).

 

[waggat]

Father's Day today so went out for lunch:

Roast pork with roast potatoes and beans. Was ok.... nothing special.

 

[Kopite67]

Father's Day today so went out for lunch:

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Roast pork with roast potatoes and beans. Was ok.... nothing special.

Looks awesome though...

 

[Noah Wixx]

Hi all,

I've had lowish T for around 5 years but recently was prescribed TRT. Now that I've found Evo and have reliable sources I've decided to do my first ever cycle.

History

Been training regularly for close to 20 years. Unfortunately you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at me.

I started off as a 'been pole' - 6'3" and only 65-70kg (140-150lb).

Made decent gains in the first few years and in a few other periods but struggled with injuries at times.

Prior to TRT I don't think I made any gains in the last 5 years despite consistent training and good diet.

Since TRT I have been making steady gains.

TRT started at 130mg/week. A month ago I got bloods and was just above the range for both T and free T. E2 was very high (about 350 with a range of <160. No sides as far as I could tell. Because of this I dropped to 100mg/week. Am getting bloods on Monday.

Currently at 97kg (213lb). Body fat estimate is around 20% maybe.

Diet

I generally eat the same breakfast and lunch everyday and then just a different dinner (cook for family).

Breakfast: (70P, 115C, 30F)
300g cooked white rice
60g protein powder
75g mixed berries
25g mixed nuts
8g cranberries
15g sultanas
2 x eggs
5 x fish oil

Lunch: (78P, 75C, 45F)
200g cooked white rice
250g (raw weight) meat (leftover from dinner)
Mixed veggies
Nut bar
2 x eggs
5 x fish oil

Dinner:
Varies
Typical breakdown: 65P, 35C, 50F
Example from last night:
250g rump steak
Lentils
Salad with kale, tomatoes, olives and avocado

Total (example from recently):
Calories: 3000
210P, 240C, 120F

Will post some photos I took today in the next post.

Supplement:
Multi
Magnesium
Zinc
Psyllium husk
Waiting for delivery:
Liver support
Astragalus
Probiotic
Digestive enzyme

Training

For the last few months I have been following Dorian Yates Blood and Guts. Just changed up the exercises recently.

30/08/25 - Day 1 - Shoulders and tri
Machine reverse fly (lbs I think)
60 x 13, 100x 12, 130 x 11, 160 x 10.5
Db lateral (kg each arm)
6 x 12 straight arm, 9 x 11 bent, 12.5 x 9 bent, 15 x 7 + 2 bent
Cable lateral (kg)
7.5 x 10
Db shoulder press (kg each)
9 x 12, 15 x 10, 22.5 x 8, 30 x 6
Cable pushdown (kg)
20x 12, 29 x 11, 36.5 x 10
Close grip smith (kg each side + bar)
17.5 x 11, 27.5 x 9, 36.25 x 8

31/08/25 - day 2 legs
Leg curl (kg)
45 x 12, 65 x 10, 85 x 9, 105 x 8.75
SLDL (kg)
30 x 12, 50 x 12, 65 x 10, 75 x 10, 85 x 11
Leg extension (kg)
61 x 13, 87 x 12, 110 x 10.75
Walking lunges (kg each)
9/9 x 11, 16/16 x 10, 24/20x 9
Leg press - strict/slow (kg)
80 x 14, 140 x 13, 200 x 11
Leg press machine calf
160 x 14, 240 x 12, 320 x 10, 380 x 10
Seated calf (kg)
45 x 12, 70 x 11

02/09/25 - Day 3
Chest and bicep
Flat DB (kg each)
15 x 14, 25 x 11, 32.5 x 8, 37.5 x 7
HS machine incline (kg)
30 x 11, 50 x 8, 65 x 7.75
Incline cable fly (kg each)
7.5 x 11, 10 x 9
Concentration curl (kg each)
9 x 10, 12.5x 19, 15 x 8, 17.5 x 10
Machine preacher (kg total)
17.5 x 11, 26.25 x 8, 33.25 x 9

04/09/25 - Day 4
Back and abs
Straight arm pulldown (lb)
35 x 12, 47.5x 12, 60 x 10
HS Close grip pulldown (kg total)
55 x 11, 80 x 10, 100 x 8
One arm db row (kg)
25 x 10, 35 x 8, 45 x 8
Wide HS chest supported row (kg)
85 x 12, 115 x 10
DB shrug (kg each)
25 x 12, 32.5 x 10

Cardio:
10 mins before and after workout (4 days a week)
20 min x twice a week
40 min x once a week

Proposed Cycle

Likely Test only (open to other suggestions) at around 400mg/week.

Based on my high E from 130mg/week TRT I'm assuming I'll need to start with an AI (have Armidex on hand).

Photos

I have photos to share. How do I get photos embedded instead of attached?

Welcome into logging and the community

 

[waggat]

Welcome into logging and the community

Thanks mate.

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

Father's Day today so went out for lunch:

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Roast pork with roast potatoes and beans. Was ok.... nothing special.

@waggat Nice meal bro......

 

[RoySimpson]

This, 2 eggs and a nut bar is my standard lunch (meat varies - normally leftover from dinner). This steak wasn't the best unfortunately.

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@waggat food is on point bro!

 

[waggat]

@waggat Nice meal bro......

 

[waggat]

Forgot to add my pre and post workout shakes to my tracking app yesterday and ended up going over my target.

 

[waggat]

Had a nice dinner. Bolognese mince with lentil/chick pea pasta and veggies.

 

[LevButlerov]

Forgot to add my pre and post workout shakes to my tracking app yesterday and ended up going over my target.

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Had a nice dinner. Bolognese mince with lentil/chick pea pasta and veggies.

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Tasty looking meal and your macros are good but lets pump protein to 300 level @waggat

 

[BeMe]

Forgot to add my pre and post workout shakes to my tracking app yesterday and ended up going over my target.

View attachment 117316

Don't stress the calories too much. Just focus on hitting your macros. You're bodybuild now!

 

[waggat]

Tasty looking meal and your macros are good but lets pump protein to 300 level @waggat

Hey mate,
No problem will do. Looking forward to this!
Should I drop carbs or fat at all?

 

[waggat]

Don't stress the calories too much. Just focus on hitting your macros. You're bodybuild now!

Sounds good!

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey mate,
No problem will do. Looking forward to this!
Should I drop carbs or fat at all?

I like your carbs and fat lets stay this way and we can macro cycle

 

[waggat]

Standard lunch during the week. This, two eggs, a nut bar and fish oil.

 

[BodyMonster34]

We already are. Remember, you shank high and I go low. Marry Poppins ain't gonna know what hit him

bro a shank in the head and leg usually g2g during shower time. who gonna sponge who first after?

 

[waggat]

Ok got blood test results from my TRT clinic. I don't know what is going on here.

For reference, the first results below were after 8 weeks at 130mg/week.

I then reduced the dose to 100mg/week. That was 4 weeks ago. Now my levels are actually higher???

The second result is 4 days after last pin as well (first is 3 from memory).

It is through a different lab. Can that make a difference?

I was happy to see that my E came down from 260.... but then I remembered that I had a 0.25mg dose of Armidex 3-4 days before the test.

Anyway...... First dose for the cycle was taken yesterday after this blood test. I also took 0.25mg Armidex.

 

[BeMe]

bro a shank in the head and leg usually g2g during shower time. who gonna sponge who first after?

We can take turns. That's true friendship. That way we can wash and watch each other's backs

 

[BeMe]

Ok got blood test results from my TRT clinic. I don't know what is going on here.

For reference, the first results below were after 8 weeks at 130mg/week.

I then reduced the dose to 100mg/week. That was 4 weeks ago. Now my levels are actually higher???

View attachment 117509

View attachment 117510

The second result is 4 days after last pin as well (first is 3 from memory).

It is through a different lab. Can that make a difference?

I was happy to see that my E came down from 260.... but then I remembered that I had a 0.25mg dose of Armidex 3-4 days before the test.

View attachment 117511

Anyway...... First dose for the cycle was taken yesterday after this blood test. I also took 0.25mg Armidex.

Ya the adex is definitely skewing your number. Woulda been good to get a true number for where you're at on 100mg at 6 weeks.

Once your cycle is over you'll have some figuring to do to sort out a safe TRT dose you can run without an ai

 

[waggat]

Had to have a 60g shake after dinner to get close to the 300P target on short notice. Can plan for it properly now. Yesterday:

Dinner wasn't bad (cottage pie with some extra veg on the side):

 

[waggat]

Workout this morning.

15min incline treadmill

10min yoga style stretching and activation

09/09/25 - Day 3

Chest and bicep

Flat DB (kg)
15 x 14, 25 x 11, 32.5 x 8, 37.5 x 7

HS machine incline (kg each side)
15 x 11, 25 x 9, 32.5 x 7.75

Incline cable fly (kg each side)
7.5 x 12, 10 x 10

Concentration curl (kg)
10x 12, 15 x 8, 17.5 x 10

Machine preacher (kg)
17.5 x 12, 27.5 x 10, 35 x 8

Shoulder prehab stuff
Cable external rotations
Scap pushups

15min incline treadmill

Wasn't a bad workout. Only got the same reps on the first two chest exercises but went up on all others.

 

[BodyMonster34]

We can take turns. That's true friendship. That way we can wash and watch each other's backs

bro you gonna sponge hard to reach places

 

[LevButlerov]

Had to have a 60g shake after dinner to get close to the 300P target on short notice. Can plan for it properly now. Yesterday:

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Dinner wasn't bad (cottage pie with some extra veg on the side):

View attachment 117533

Big proteind ay cottage pie how you make that one?

Workout this morning.

15min incline treadmill

10min yoga style stretching and activation

09/09/25 - Day 3

Chest and bicep

Flat DB (kg)
15 x 14, 25 x 11, 32.5 x 8, 37.5 x 7

HS machine incline (kg each side)
15 x 11, 25 x 9, 32.5 x 7.75

Incline cable fly (kg each side)
7.5 x 12, 10 x 10

Concentration curl (kg)
10x 12, 15 x 8, 17.5 x 10

Machine preacher (kg)
17.5 x 12, 27.5 x 10, 35 x 8

Shoulder prehab stuff
Cable external rotations
Scap pushups

15min incline treadmill

Wasn't a bad workout. Only got the same reps on the first two chest exercises but went up on all others.

I like the training and pre post cardio is perfect not just not bad! shoulder rehab you need a foam roller.

 

[BeMe]

Had to have a 60g shake after dinner to get close to the 300P target on short notice. Can plan for it properly now. Yesterday:

View attachment 117531

Dinner wasn't bad (cottage pie with some extra veg on the side):

View attachment 117533

It will get much easier to gauge as time goes on. Took me about a week to find my bearings at 400g protein. After that I was consistently going over