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Need first cycle advice

kiwicalypso said:
Im panning on doing 250mg of test e a week with hcg 500iu a week aromisan 12.5mg eod and probaly enclo after the cycle i Just want to see how my body reacts anything i should change or do?
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Have you ever used AAS before? Judging by what you wrote I'm thinking no.
You give 0 info about you, your goals or any past use. How is it you think you will get any solid advice?
Give us a little more here.
 
s.gentz said:
Have you ever used AAS before? Judging by what you wrote I'm thinking no.
You give 0 info about you, your goals or any past use. How is it you think you will get any solid advice?
Give us a little more here.
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im 6.1 185pounds/85kg not sure of my body fat right now im pretty fluffy right now and its my first cycle only other thing ive done is Mk677 to help my appetite when i was skinny my goals just to put on size get to roughly 90-95 kg
 
kiwicalypso said:
im 6.1 185pounds/85kg not sure of my body fat right now im pretty fluffy right now and its my first cycle only other thing ive done is Mk677 to help my appetite when i was skinny my goals just to put on size get to roughly 90-95 kg
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For a first cycle what you laid out is good but read up on PCT. Prob gonna take some clomid is not gonna cut it. You need solid PCT.
Have you listened to any of our podcasts? There is great info there.
It would also be a great benefit to get a training log going. That way we can guide you though your fists cycle and make sure it’s successful.
 
s.gentz said:
For a first cycle what you laid out is good but read up on PCT. Prob gonna take some clomid is not gonna cut it. You need solid PCT.
Have you listened to any of our podcasts? There is great info there.
It would also be a great benefit to get a training log going. That way we can guide you though your fists cycle and make sure it’s successful.
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what would you recomend for pct? im thinking running hch through the whole thing and for two weeks after cyle and then once im done running hcg ill do clomid.
 
kiwicalypso said:
what would you recomend for pct? im thinking running hch through the whole thing and for two weeks after cyle and then once im done running hcg ill do clomid.
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First of all welcome to EVO brother!
Best bodybuilding forum on the internet! We got your back here.



Second. Your age?
We need to know your age and be honest please. Also, you need to start a log to give us more info to guide you on a cycle.

kiwicalypso said:
Im panning on doing 250mg of test e a week with hcg 500iu a week aromisan 12.5mg eod and probaly enclo after the cycle i Just want to see how my body reacts anything i should change or do?
Click to expand...
We can't offer advice on what you should change or do if you yourself don't know how your body would react.
What I can say is absolutely NOT to the hcg with your first cycle of Test.
12.5mg aromasin eod is good to have ON HAND but you don't know yet whether that is the proper dose or it's needed at all before you do bloodwork before your cycle and then during.

We can work around it if you can't do bloodwork but let's get a log going first brother. We can't advise a new member who just joined and who's age we don't know on their first cycle or else we'd have a cut and paste thread titled "STEROIDS TO USE and AI's for FIRST TIMERS ON CYCLE - NO HCG!".



I always give the advice that first timers should educate and plan out their first cycle in this order:

  1. PCT (after steroid usage how can you come off in a healthy way to get your natural test and hormones back up and running)
  2. Diet (we have to see you have this dialed in with macros and calories)
  3. Training (we need to make sure you're training is consistent and proper)
  4. Steroids (then, if you trust this forum which you should, we will get you squared away for an 8-week trial run to assist)
Most people do it exactly the other way however for own health and success lets do #1 through to #4 within your log.


HOW and WHY TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?
Accountability, pride, and consistency all which lead to RESULTS!

Authoring a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:
Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread using a full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
It will take 15-20 minutes max.
We have 100's of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight, height, age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
Please post a Log Journal ASAP for us

There are almost a quarter million members on here and almost two million posts with over a thousand podcasts so your Log Journal will be taken care of here! Evolutionary.org is the most visited steroid community in the world (fact!).

Here's how:

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT you will see: +POST THREAD
click that

In Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone cycle Log
In body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training, your body weight, supps, etc and we will help you along on your cycle or help you decide when it's time.

Here are examples of LOG Journals you can choose to use as your template:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should. This podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com

@LevButlerov
 
kiwicalypso said:
Im panning on doing 250mg of test e a week with hcg 500iu a week aromisan 12.5mg eod and probaly enclo after the cycle i Just want to see how my body reacts anything i should change or do?
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kiwicalypso said:
im 6.1 185pounds/85kg not sure of my body fat right now im pretty fluffy right now and its my first cycle only other thing ive done is Mk677 to help my appetite when i was skinny my goals just to put on size get to roughly 90-95 kg
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kiwicalypso said:
what would you recomend for pct? im thinking running hch through the whole thing and for two weeks after cyle and then once im done running hcg ill do clomid.
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welcome to the EVO family :D @kiwicalypso
Good plan for a first run, but you don’t need hcg during the whole cycle at 250 mg test since that dose won’t shut you too hard. You could run test e solo for 10-12 weeks, skip hcg until the last 2 weeks before pct, and use 500 iu 2x per week then stop it before clomid/tamoxifen/hcgenerate starts. But you realize this is all guesswork right? we need to know more about you to really help you. I just gave you kind of general view on it.

Start a pre-cycle log with your training split, diet, so we can track your progress weekly before you even do your 1st pin. this will help us help you dial in and start properly instead of guessing and jumping in. takes 15min to start off easy to do and follow up.

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?
  • Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
  • Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
  • The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
  • Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:
  • Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
  • It will take 15-20 minutes max.
  • We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
  • Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Pre-cycle Training Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @toddthelineman @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @s.gentz
 
HarleyGuy said:
First of all welcome to EVO brother!
Best bodybuilding forum on the internet! We got your back here.



Second. Your age?
We need to know your age and be honest please. Also, you need to start a log to give us more info to guide you on a cycle.


We can't offer advice on what you should change or do if you yourself don't know how your body would react.
What I can say is absolutely NOT to the hcg with your first cycle of Test.
12.5mg aromasin eod is good to have ON HAND but you don't know yet whether that is the proper dose or it's needed at all before you do bloodwork before your cycle and then during.

We can work around it if you can't do bloodwork but let's get a log going first brother. We can't advise a new member who just joined and who's age we don't know on their first cycle or else we'd have a cut and paste thread titled "STEROIDS TO USE and AI's for FIRST TIMERS ON CYCLE - NO HCG!".



I always give the advice that first timers should educate and plan out their first cycle in this order:

  1. PCT (after steroid usage how can you come off in a healthy way to get your natural test and hormones back up and running)
  2. Diet (we have to see you have this dialed in with macros and calories)
  3. Training (we need to make sure you're training is consistent and proper)
  4. Steroids (then, if you trust this forum which you should, we will get you squared away for an 8-week trial run to assist)
Most people do it exactly the other way however for own health and success lets do #1 through to #4 within your log.


HOW and WHY TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?
Accountability, pride, and consistency all which lead to RESULTS!

Authoring a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:
Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread using a full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
It will take 15-20 minutes max.
We have 100's of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight, height, age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
Please post a Log Journal ASAP for us

There are almost a quarter million members on here and almost two million posts with over a thousand podcasts so your Log Journal will be taken care of here! Evolutionary.org is the most visited steroid community in the world (fact!).

Here's how:

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT you will see: +POST THREAD
click that

In Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone cycle Log
In body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training, your body weight, supps, etc and we will help you along on your cycle or help you decide when it's time.

Here are examples of LOG Journals you can choose to use as your template:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should. This podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com

@LevButlerov
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You answered right before me thank you :D @HarleyGuy perfect!
 
kiwicalypso said:
im 6.1 185pounds/85kg not sure of my body fat right now im pretty fluffy right now and its my first cycle only other thing ive done is Mk677 to help my appetite when i was skinny my goals just to put on size get to roughly 90-95 kg
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Brother.....one just doesn't do a quick 250 cycle and jump from 85 to 95 that's not how it works 🤦
Putting on size is all about eating and training,I mean EATING and training like a full unit and going beyond that
 
if you want to put on 10lb 750mg test and 50mg dbol a day - it will be all water weight and will disappear.
You need to be smart about your training, eating, sleeping and lastly PED's
 
HarleyGuy said:
Omg I beat The Entity to it? I'm scoring mad mod points tonight! Must be the proviron! :ROFLMAO:
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You beat me to it, I love having you in the EVO family brother its true help and support :D @HarleyGuy
proviron for the WIN! :P
 
kiwicalypso said:
what would you recomend for pct? im thinking running hch through the whole thing and for two weeks after cyle and then once im done running hcg ill do clomid.
Click to expand...
Read this article. This will outline the best PCT method. PCT is just as important as the actual cycle for keeping what you have built and having a soft landing coming off gear.
 
s.gentz said:
PCT is just as important as the actual cycle for keeping what you have built and having a soft landing coming off gear.
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This! ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

@kiwicalypso This is why in my list above I have it as # 1 for newbies or younger guys.

  1. PCT (after steroid usage how can you come off in a healthy way to get your natural test and hormones back up and running)
  2. Diet (we have to see you have this dialed in with macros and calories)
  3. Training (we need to make sure you're training is consistent and proper)
  4. Steroids (then, if you trust this forum which you should, we will get you squared away for an 8-week trial run to assist)
 
kiwicalypso said:
Im panning on doing 250mg of test e a week with hcg 500iu a week aromisan 12.5mg eod and probaly enclo after the cycle i Just want to see how my body reacts anything i should change or do?
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i don't get the enclo love all over. must be some social media influencer pushing it. enclo is inferior to good ole clomid
 
SPOONMAN366 said:
Brother.....one just doesn't do a quick 250 cycle and jump from 85 to 95 that's not how it works 🤦
Putting on size is all about eating and training,I mean EATING and training like a full unit and going beyond that
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Gotta eat for the physique you want!

Cracks me up how many comments see on social media like "anyone can look like that if they take gear..." i can assure you thats not how this works 🤣🤣
rizzlekdizzle said:
if you want to put on 10lb 750mg test and 50mg dbol a day - it will be all water weight and will disappear.
You need to be smart about your training, eating, sleeping and lastly PED's
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💯 easy come, easy go. As @s.gentz says you are just renting muscle without good foundation.
 
kiwicalypso said:
Im panning on doing 250mg of test e a week with hcg 500iu a week aromisan 12.5mg eod and probaly enclo after the cycle i Just want to see how my body reacts anything i should change or do?
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bros 250 or 500 not gonna make a difference. you still shutting yourself down either way
 
kiwicalypso said:
Im panning on doing 250mg of test e a week with hcg 500iu a week aromisan 12.5mg eod and probaly enclo after the cycle i Just want to see how my body reacts anything i should change or do?
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What is the purpose of using HCG? It's not going to prevent you from getting shut down. That is a bunch of broscience. Where did you get this information?
 
kiwicalypso said:
Im panning on doing 250mg of test e a week with hcg 500iu a week aromisan 12.5mg eod and probaly enclo after the cycle i Just want to see how my body reacts anything i should change or do?
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i would drop the hcg. and if you plan on doing only 250mgs of test that aromasin dose is too much.
 
kiwicalypso said:
Im panning on doing 250mg of test e a week with hcg 500iu a week aromisan 12.5mg eod and probaly enclo after the cycle i Just want to see how my body reacts anything i should change or do?
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you don't need to 'see how my body reacts' There are 1 million people who have used similar cycle. Run the cycle to the best of its ability. I say go 400 mg of testosterone and use an oral kickstart.
 
s.gentz said:
Read this article. This will outline the best PCT method. PCT is just as important as the actual cycle for keeping what you have built and having a soft landing coming off gear.
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which article did you mean? @s.gentz
 
s.gentz said:
Agree. Can use it between cycle and PCT but I never used it during the 2 times I did PCT.
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for sure, we need to rewrite those its in my que.
 
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