Potetially Dumb first Enhanced Cycle

[RAMIN.01_]

This is probably very stupid and I might get clowned for it but oh well.

I recently got some clomid and nolvadex but I a refraining from using it because I am still going through development. This is because I am worried that clomids effect of reducing igf1 along with its ability to increase esteogen will decrease my growth and close my growth plates. So I was thinking in order to combat the effect of the reduce igf1 I can use mk677 to boost igf1 and hgh while using clomid and nolvadex. The nolvadex should hopefully work as a AI and block some estrogen. Would this theoretically work and increase test and hgh safely with minimal side effects but still see notable growth?

Now I know something like this would not be very anabolic but as a first ped experience i dont want it to be. The inspiration to this is connor Murphy's post om YouTube in regards to enclomiphene and mk677. As enlco is a isomer of clomid I would expect it to have some similar effect.

Let me know what you all think? If this is dumb I might stick with a mk677 only cycle then go to hgh.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

This is probably very stupid and I might get clowned for it but oh well.

I recently got some clomid and nolvadex but I a refraining from using it because I am still going through development. This is because I am worried that clomids effect of reducing igf1 along with its ability to increase esteogen will decrease my growth and close my growth plates. So I was thinking in order to combat the effect of the reduce igf1 I can use mk677 to boost igf1 and hgh while using clomid and nolvadex. The nolvadex should hopefully work as a AI and block some estrogen. Would this theoretically work and increase test and hgh safely with minimal side effects but still see notable growth?

Now I know something like this would not be very anabolic but as a first ped experience i dont want it to be. The inspiration to this is connor Murphy's post om YouTube in regards to enclomiphene and mk677. As enlco is a isomer of clomid I would expect it to have some similar effect.

Let me know what you all think? If this is dumb I might stick with a mk677 only cycle then go to hgh.

There is no dumb question EVO family here to help. All questions are welcome.
How old are you @RAMIN.01_ ?
Is this going to be your log?
Please start it by sharing photos of yourself with your face blurred. We need to see your base.

 

[Mobster]

Growth plates suggests - young. So NO PEDS until you're old enough. Its that simple

 

[madcap71]

This is probably very stupid and I might get clowned for it but oh well.

I recently got some clomid and nolvadex but I a refraining from using it because I am still going through development. This is because I am worried that clomids effect of reducing igf1 along with its ability to increase esteogen will decrease my growth and close my growth plates. So I was thinking in order to combat the effect of the reduce igf1 I can use mk677 to boost igf1 and hgh while using clomid and nolvadex. The nolvadex should hopefully work as a AI and block some estrogen. Would this theoretically work and increase test and hgh safely with minimal side effects but still see notable growth?

Now I know something like this would not be very anabolic but as a first ped experience i dont want it to be. The inspiration to this is connor Murphy's post om YouTube in regards to enclomiphene and mk677. As enlco is a isomer of clomid I would expect it to have some similar effect.

Let me know what you all think? If this is dumb I might stick with a mk677 only cycle then go to hgh.

You shouldn't be using anything but food if you're going through development.

So yes, your plans are dumb.

 

[LevButlerov]

This is probably very stupid and I might get clowned for it but oh well.

I recently got some clomid and nolvadex but I a refraining from using it because I am still going through development. This is because I am worried that clomids effect of reducing igf1 along with its ability to increase esteogen will decrease my growth and close my growth plates. So I was thinking in order to combat the effect of the reduce igf1 I can use mk677 to boost igf1 and hgh while using clomid and nolvadex. The nolvadex should hopefully work as a AI and block some estrogen. Would this theoretically work and increase test and hgh safely with minimal side effects but still see notable growth?

Now I know something like this would not be very anabolic but as a first ped experience i dont want it to be. The inspiration to this is connor Murphy's post om YouTube in regards to enclomiphene and mk677. As enlco is a isomer of clomid I would expect it to have some similar effect.

Let me know what you all think? If this is dumb I might stick with a mk677 only cycle then go to hgh.

same question @RAMIN.01_ how old are you?

There is no dumb question EVO family here to help. All questions are welcome.
How old are you @RAMIN.01_ ?
Is this going to be your log?
Please start it by sharing photos of yourself with your face blurred. We need to see your base.

 

[RAMIN.01_]

Growth plates suggests - young. So NO PEDS until you're old enough. Its that simple

Why would I not use something that would improve my hormones and put them into the upper end of the reference range ? Seems like trying to build a house with nothing but straw if that makes sense

 

[RAMIN.01_]

You shouldn't be using anything but food if you're going through development.

So yes, your plans are dumb.

Ok just dis regard the age would a cycle such as this show any meaningful results ?

 

[RAMIN.01_]

There is no dumb question EVO family here to help. All questions are welcome.
How old are you @RAMIN.01_ ?
Is this going to be your log?
Please start it by sharing photos of yourself with your face blurred. We need to see your base.

I dont wanna reveal much real age but younger than 19 older than 15 no this isnt a log i just want to start a discussion im regards to how potent or if a cycle like this would even work

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I dont wanna reveal much real age but younger than 19 older than 15 no this isnt a log i just want to start a discussion im regards to how potent or if a cycle like this would even work

If you’re not 18, you can’t be here.
playing with hormones is no joke.

 

[madcap71]

Ok just dis regard the age would a cycle such as this show any meaningful results ?

No I'm not going to disregard your age and give you steroids advice. You're going to fuck yourself up doing this, I promise you.

Listen to older heads and wait until you've finished puberty and got a few years of training behind you.

 

[Dreamer]

Useless cycle that would give you more problems than benefits and at your age youd be messing with your natural hormones for close to 0 benefit.

Why is there so many very young people looking to jump on these silly cycles today?

Train hard, eat eat eat and get some natural muscle, all of this will still be here in years to come and you will thank your past self for the work you put in

 

[Allupfromhere]

Why would I not use something that would improve my hormones and put them into the upper end of the reference range ? Seems like trying to build a house with nothing but straw if that makes sense

This says everything we need to know right here. Sorry brother but its clear how young you are and hiding.. your situation is nothing like building a house with nothing but straw.
Your natural ranges are most likely peaking and that would already have you at the upper end of the reference range in most cases.

Learn to eat food and train. Not to take drugs when they are not needed.

Please put your health and longevity first.

 

[Gabs]

If youre under 22 a proper diet and training protocol is enough to get you in the "upper end reference range". We all are speaking from experience. I have seen people fuck their hormones permanently and not be able to have kids starting too young.
Build the foundations for a few years before you even think about starting anything. You're in your prime years now. Toughen up and do the hard yards and enjoy the journey. Its a marathon not a sprint.

 

[madcap71]

Why is there so many very young people looking to jump on these silly cycles today?

Looksmaxxing...it's fucking up teenage minds.

Very worrying stuff. I don't even know where these kids get money to buy gear, I was spending my pocket money and wage from my part time job on video games!

 

[Coolguy]

Playing devils advocate if his range is so low as a teenager would something like enclo be beneficial to boost natural T production? Or even true trt? Granted we are worried about natural suppression. But I honestly wished I had jumped on true trt as early as possible as my Test range was always low even as a teenager.

 

[Gabs]

Looksmaxxing...it's fucking up teenage minds.

Very worrying stuff. I don't even know where these kids get money to buy gear, I was spending my pocket money and wage from my part time job on video games!

Social media has changed everything. The amount of kids on gear these days is nuts. All these instagram and tiktok influencers feed off these young kids. My nieces bf has a friend that started training for a month and his first cycle was test and tren

 

[madcap71]

Playing devils advocate if his range is so low as a teenager would something like enclo be beneficial to boost natural T production? Or even true trt? Granted we are worried about natural suppression. But I honestly wished I had jumped on true trt as early as possible as my Test range was always low even as a teenager.

He doesn't know his range is low, he's a child.

 

[Dreamer]

Social media has changed everything. The amount of kids on gear these days is nuts. All these instagram and tiktok influencers feed off these young kids. My nieces bf has a friend that started training for a month and his first cycle was test and tren

Tren has been made to be looked at as the first step in, the doses you see around the place are crazy toi

 

[Coolguy]

He doesn't know his range is low, he's a child.

Oh I agree he shouldn't do anything. But that doesn't answer my question. My range was fucked at 20 I waited 4 years before jumping on test and I missed out on doing all the things normal 18-21 years olds do because of it. I was always too tired, no confident, couldn't talk to girls and barely had any interest anyway. Just wanted to gym for fuck all gains and play games.
My range if I remember was like 7 or 8 nmols at 21.

 

[madcap71]

Oh I agree he shouldn't do anything. But that doesn't answer my question. My range was fucked at 20 I waited 4 years before jumping on test and I missed out on doing all the things normal 18-21 years olds do because of it. I was always too tired, no confident, couldn't talk to girls and barely had any interest anyway. Just wanted to gym for fuck all gains and play games.
My range if I remember was like 7 or 8 nmols at 21.

Responding with a hypothetical situation to suggest a drug for him to try is just going to have him ignore everything else and encourage him to take said drug.

Replying with anything but telling him to not take drugs is irresponsible. He's not old enough to be touching anything, period.

 

[Coolguy]

Responding with a hypothetical situation to suggest a drug for him to try is just going to have him ignore everything else and encourage him to take said drug.

Replying with anything but telling him to not take drugs is irresponsible. He's not old enough to be touching anything, period.

We are kidding ourselves if you don't think he's going to take it anyway.
Unfortunately it's everywhere. Like it's been said before steroids and peptides are everywhere on tiktok etc I see plenty of posts about teens taking gear. It's definitely not on but also this guy will probably take it regardless of what some guys on the internet say.

 

[madcap71]

We are kidding ourselves if you don't think he's going to take it anyway.
Unfortunately it's everywhere. Like it's been said before steroids and peptides are everywhere on tiktok etc I see plenty of posts about teens taking gear. It's definitely not on but also this guy will probably take it regardless of what some guys on the internet say.

Yep, so let's be the guys who tell him what he needs to hear, not what he wants to hear

 

[Gabs]

I agree with @madcap71
There are many other factors that impact testosterone levels at any age. Even if his levels were low (which i highly doubt), at that age every other avenue to raise natural levels should be taken first.
The long term effects of starting young are real and can really fuck kids up.

@RAMIN.01_ you did the right thing asking first. We all hope you take our advice and wait. It really isnt worth the long term risks starting young. Dial in your food and training and you'll be surprised what you can achieve naturally at your age.

 

[kcates]

Oh I agree he shouldn't do anything. But that doesn't answer my question. My range was fucked at 20 I waited 4 years before jumping on test and I missed out on doing all the things normal 18-21 years olds do because of it. I was always too tired, no confident, couldn't talk to girls and barely had any interest anyway. Just wanted to gym for fuck all gains and play games.
My range if I remember was like 7 or 8 nmols at 21.

My suggestion to this question is if he feels he is in this situation he needs to find a good doctor who can help him get into the natural ranges for his age. There is something medically wrong if he is not in a normal range for his age and shouldn't be trying to do it on his own through an online forum. Seek out a good doc or PCP.

 

[RAMIN.01_]

We are kidding ourselves if you don't think he's going to take it anyway.
Unfortunately it's everywhere. Like it's been said before steroids and peptides are everywhere on tiktok etc I see plenty of posts about teens taking gear. It's definitely not on but also this guy will probably take it regardless of what some guys on the internet say.

Im not taking legitimate testosterone or anything of the sorts im taking clomid and nolvadex 2 compounds designed to increase natural testosterone and not suppress or stop normal function at all and mk677 which increases hgh endogenously

These compounds are the safest I could possiblely consider which was the plan as yes I am young so I dont want to destroy my hormones so instead im taking a safer approach, optimising my life when it will give me the biggest benefit in the long run

u can find that even just injecting just straight test a majority of the users can recover natural testosterone levels even for prolonged use of 2 years

I highly doubt that a cycle like this would cause any long term effect on my health

 

[madcap71]

I highly doubt that a cycle like this would cause any long term effect on my health

You're wrong. Taking drugs you don't need to fix a situation you don't know you have, at a young age is not going to help.

Nolvadex and clomid will have an effect on your hormones, which at your age (15-19) can cause permanent damage. Clomid will also have a massive effect on your moods, which will already be over the place as a teen. Your poor parents...

MK677 can negatively impact your insulin sensitivity and blood sugar if you're not monitoring it, which I imagine you're not. MK677 encourages your body to pulse HGH, but at your age it is useless as you will already be pulsing way more GH naturally.

MK677 can also close your growth plates, cause water retention, fat gain and increased blood pressure.

 

[StrongZoeM]

Good question, man. Are you planning on keeping a log here with pics and updates? Would be interesting to follow your progress.

 

[madcap71]

Good question, man. Are you planning on keeping a log here with pics and updates? Would be interesting to follow your progress.

He'll be banned for being underage most likely...

 

[toddthelineman]

Why would I not use something that would improve my hormones and put them into the upper end of the reference range ? Seems like trying to build a house with nothing but straw if that makes sense

@RAMIN.01_ the fact that you know it might not be a good idea is refreshing to say the least. Most young fellas come in here with the same YouTube endocrinology degree and they think they know and they get seriously butt hurt when we try to tell them the truth. And it is the truth.

You don’t want to use anything to increase your hormones. You want your body to do it. You need to eat lots of real food. Meat and plants with minimal ingredients. And work hard in the gym or your sport and get really good sleep as a number one priority. That’s what’s going to get you what you really are looking for and you need it to come from inside you. With that as your natural base, later on you can revisit the idea of using drugs to enhance an already optimized physique.

I wish I could be like that story about Scrooge and show you the ghost of gains future so you could see it for your self instead of looking back when it’s too late like most people. The fact is, guys with a better natural base go drastically further than those who are starting out undertrained or too early. You do not need to take stuff to be really fit and strong. You just don’t. You won’t know what you’re capable of natty until you find out for real. You don’t have to be arrogant about being natty, you don’t have to even want to be natty. Think of it as an investment in your future gains.

 

[Dreamer]

You're wrong. Taking drugs you don't need to fix a situation you don't know you have, at a young age is not going to help.

Nolvadex and clomid will have an effect on your hormones, which at your age (15-19) can cause permanent damage. Clomid will also have a massive effect on your moods, which will already be over the place as a teen. Your poor parents...

MK677 can negatively impact your insulin sensitivity and blood sugar if you're not monitoring it, which I imagine you're not. MK677 encourages your body to pulse HGH, but at your age it is useless as you will already be pulsing way more GH naturally.

MK677 can also close your growth plates, cause water retention, fat gain and increased blood pressure.

And for what? It will produce shit results and more side effects than gains anyway.
Man I remember being young and thinking about all this shit, it was sarms back then for me, I did mess around with alot of them, makes you wonder if thats why I needed to be prescribed TRT in my twenties.
Dont do it OP you will do better listening to these guys.

 

[Dreamer]

The fertility aspect is a real thing to consider also, at your age, it might seem like a world away, not important or something you’ll sort later.

Cost me 3 months of hormonal misery, thousands of dollars and multiple pins a day to restore it, the stress the uncertainty put on my relationship was significant, and you start to question the choices you have made - and 3 months is a lucky time frame, some go through it for much longer, some never recover.

 

[toddthelineman]

Im not taking legitimate testosterone or anything of the sorts im taking clomid and nolvadex 2 compounds designed to increase natural testosterone and not suppress or stop normal function at all and mk677 which increases hgh endogenously

These compounds are the safest I could possiblely consider which was the plan as yes I am young so I dont want to destroy my hormones so instead im taking a safer approach, optimising my life when it will give me the biggest benefit in the long run

u can find that even just injecting just straight test a majority of the users can recover natural testosterone levels even for prolonged use of 2 years

I highly doubt that a cycle like this would cause any long term effect on my health

You’re gonna fuck yourself up! Throw it in the trash! We just saw this whole thing play out like a week ago and it happens pretty regularly. All this stuff you think you know? You don’t know. All just a bunch of regurgitation from the internet. This type of behavior is only going to go one way. Badly. I took nolvadex before. It made me feel like SHIT! Clomid is worse. This stuff has powerful effects on your brain. Can negatively alter your eyesight permanently. THROW IT IN THE TRASH. People take these drug’s out of desperation only. Bad doctors prescribe them because they think testosterone is the boogeyman.

 

[Dreamer]

You’re gonna fuck yourself up! Throw it in the trash! We just saw this whole thing play out like a week ago and it happens pretty regularly. All this stuff you think you know? You don’t know. All just a bunch of regurgitation from the internet. This type of behavior is only going to go one way. Badly. I took nolvadex before. It made me feel like SHIT! Clomid is worse. This stuff has powerful effects on your brain. Can negatively alter your eyesight permanently. THROW IT IN THE TRASH. People take these drug’s out of desperation only. Bad doctors prescribe them because they think testosterone is the boogeyman.

Enclomiphene felt horrendous on my body , used it to restore fertility, couldnt imagine using it as my TRT

 

[HarleyGuy]

This is probably very stupid and I might get clowned for it but oh well.

I recently got some clomid and nolvadex but I a refraining from using it because I am still going through development. This is because I am worried that clomids effect of reducing igf1 along with its ability to increase esteogen will decrease my growth and close my growth plates. So I was thinking in order to combat the effect of the reduce igf1 I can use mk677 to boost igf1 and hgh while using clomid and nolvadex. The nolvadex should hopefully work as a AI and block some estrogen. Would this theoretically work and increase test and hgh safely with minimal side effects but still see notable growth?

Now I know something like this would not be very anabolic but as a first ped experience i dont want it to be. The inspiration to this is connor Murphy's post om YouTube in regards to enclomiphene and mk677. As enlco is a isomer of clomid I would expect it to have some similar effect.

Let me know what you all think? If this is dumb I might stick with a mk677 only cycle then go to hgh.

Welcome to EVO bro!

We are here to help. Need more info before answering questions. You can put all your info in a log.

First of all. Age?

 

[LevButlerov]

Ok just dis regard the age would a cycle such as this show any meaningful results ?

how can we disregard your age? @RAMIN.01_
I'm telling you now, we have to suspend you if you're under 18. You'll need to check forum verification for age, sending you a age verification reset.

In truth, we want to help you but if you want actual help you need to be 18 or older and you need to have at training log going.
I think many like @coolguy77711 said proper views here, you do need help, but many like @madcap71 said you shouldn't do any cycles which is also valid.
Hard for me to say except you verify age first.

 

[RAMIN.01_]

You're wrong. Taking drugs you don't need to fix a situation you don't know you have, at a young age is not going to help.

Nolvadex and clomid will have an effect on your hormones, which at your age (15-19) can cause permanent damage. Clomid will also have a massive effect on your moods, which will already be over the place as a teen. Your poor parents...

MK677 can negatively impact your insulin sensitivity and blood sugar if you're not monitoring it, which I imagine you're not. MK677 encourages your body to pulse HGH, but at your age it is useless as you will already be pulsing way more GH naturally.

MK677 can also close your growth plates, cause water retention, fat gain and increased blood pressure.

Berberine alone can almost entirely stop the insulin resistance issues especially at the dose I was considering taking (20mg) it cannot cause growth plates to close its mechanism of action just simply isnt like that it could just accelerate growth and the weight gain and water retention in the goal in mind more water in the muscle the bigger the muscle looks

And before u say clomid and nolvadex can cause serious damage at my age explain to me why? Its like saying I shouldn't take ashaganda or something like that because it increases my testosterone at a young age. Clomid and nolvadex and serms they block the estrogen receptor which increases LH and FSH

You’re gonna fuck yourself up! Throw it in the trash! We just saw this whole thing play out like a week ago and it happens pretty regularly. All this stuff you think you know? You don’t know. All just a bunch of regurgitation from the internet. This type of behavior is only going to go one way. Badly. I took nolvadex before. It made me feel like SHIT! Clomid is worse. This stuff has powerful effects on your brain. Can negatively alter your eyesight permanently. THROW IT IN THE TRASH. People take these drug’s out of desperation only. Bad doctors prescribe them because they think testosterone is the boogeyman.

24 reported cases for eye sight loss i dont think i should be worried abt it

 

[RAMIN.01_]

@RAMIN.01_ the fact that you know it might not be a good idea is refreshing to say the least. Most young fellas come in here with the same YouTube endocrinology degree and they think they know and they get seriously butt hurt when we try to tell them the truth. And it is the truth.

You don’t want to use anything to increase your hormones. You want your body to do it. You need to eat lots of real food. Meat and plants with minimal ingredients. And work hard in the gym or your sport and get really good sleep as a number one priority. That’s what’s going to get you what you really are looking for and you need it to come from inside you. With that as your natural base, later on you can revisit the idea of using drugs to enhance an already optimized physique.

I wish I could be like that story about Scrooge and show you the ghost of gains future so you could see it for your self instead of looking back when it’s too late like most people. The fact is, guys with a better natural base go drastically further than those who are starting out undertrained or too early. You do not need to take stuff to be really fit and strong. You just don’t. You won’t know what you’re capable of natty until you find out for real. You don’t have to be arrogant about being natty, you don’t have to even want to be natty. Think of it as an investment in your future gains.

Appreciate the wisdom bro I read all these replies and I do consider their perspective and experiences cos I know I only have 1 body and if I fuck it up then im done for life so im treading carefully

 

[RAMIN.01_]

Good question, man. Are you planning on keeping a log here with pics and updates? Would be interesting to follow your progress.

Yes I am

 

[toddthelineman]

Appreciate the wisdom bro I read all these replies and I do consider their perspective and experiences cos I know I only have 1 body and if I fuck it up then im done for life so im treading carefully

Good! Now throw that stuff away for real. We all can relate to where you are at right now. You don’t want to take that stuff man, it’s not going to get you what you want. You just want to give your body its best chance at building itself while you are young because the process itself is important. Who’s going to succeed in life, a spoiled kid who’s given $100k or a kid who gets it for himself? That’s how maturation works too. You don’t want to bypass the process or you’ll miss so much.

Another example that pertains to you: you can find guys who take a gram of gear a week, and they don’t look like they take steroids. And you can find guys who are on trt that look seriously jacked. There’s a lot of variables but usually the biggest variables are (consistently) eating, training, and resting. And that’s what you need to lock in the most. It matters a lot. No you won’t see overnight changes, but tbh man, even the guys on here blasting gear don’t see their gains but other people do. That’s how it is.

You don’t need that stuff. It’s going to do more harm than good. Not maybe, definitely. Those drugs are not safe for a young male brain AT ALL.

 

[LevButlerov]

@RAMIN.01_ was banned for being underage as he didn't verify his age.

 

[madcap71]

And before u say clomid and nolvadex can cause serious damage at my age explain to me why? Its like saying I shouldn't take ashaganda or something like that because it increases my testosterone at a young age. Clomid and nolvadex and serms they block the estrogen receptor which increases LH and FSH

He won't be able to see this because he has rightfully been banned but for anyone else in his situation who may see this....

There is a difference between drugs that effect your hormones directly and supplements that encourage your body to do what it does naturally.

You answered your own question. Unless you know you have low LH and FSH, you don't need to take anything to increase it

 

[Coolguy]

For what it's worth he has these products brought them and posted a td before his age was revealed.
Unfortunately he's under-age but now won't have access to any guidance. Really is a catch 22. Can't help them because they are too young but that means can't help them if they decide to take these hormones anyway.

 

[Allupfromhere]

For what it's worth he has these products brought them and posted a td before his age was revealed.
Unfortunately he's under-age but now won't have access to any guidance. Really is a catch 22. Can't help them because they are too young but that means can't help them if they decide to take these hormones anyway.

Brother, I hear you it really is a catch-22. But at some point we’ve got to draw a line. If we help one minor, what happens when the next kid comes along already holding a vial of test… or worse, a bottle of tren? No one wants to be involved in something that ends with a minor using something that could seriously harm them.

Yeah, these compounds aren’t on the same level, but the situation itself doesn’t change - helping a minor with PEDs in any form puts everyone in a tough position. If we say yes once, another will come asking about something even stronger, and it becomes a snowball effect.

I’d rather shut it down here, where the risk is lower, than set a precedent that could lead a minor toward using something far more damaging.

 

[LevButlerov]

He won't be able to see this because he has rightfully been banned but for anyone else in his situation who may see this....

There is a difference between drugs that effect your hormones directly and supplements that encourage your body to do what it does naturally.

You answered your own question. Unless you know you have low LH and FSH, you don't need to take anything to increase it

For what it's worth he has these products brought them and posted a td before his age was revealed.
Unfortunately he's under-age but now won't have access to any guidance. Really is a catch 22. Can't help them because they are too young but that means can't help them if they decide to take these hormones anyway.

Brother, I hear you it really is a catch-22. But at some point we’ve got to draw a line. If we help one minor, what happens when the next kid comes along already holding a vial of test… or worse, a bottle of tren? No one wants to be involved in something that ends with a minor using something that could seriously harm them.

Yeah, these compounds aren’t on the same level, but the situation itself doesn’t change - helping a minor with PEDs in any form puts everyone in a tough position. If we say yes once, another will come asking about something even stronger, and it becomes a snowball effect.

I’d rather shut it down here, where the risk is lower, than set a precedent that could lead a minor toward using something far more damaging.

I love that passion that @madcap71 brings here. I get him and I can see his point of view.
I get you @coolguy77711 @Allupfromhere too.
this is a hard call for all of us, do we help him and guide him? or do we not? I'm not even sure he was a minor, he wouldn't go the age verification route so we had to suspend him BUT
we fixed nothing right? he's just going to go do what he planned without us.
I'm torn here, actually torn, i want to help guide him to stay natural and grow, but we can't help him due to his age.
I'm not sure the right call, truly hard to know!

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@toddthelineman @Madmax46

 

[Allupfromhere]

I love that passion that @madcap71 brings here. I get him and I can see his point of view.
I get you @coolguy77711 @Allupfromhere too.
this is a hard call for all of us, do we help him and guide him? or do we not? I'm not even sure he was a minor, he wouldn't go the age verification route so we had to suspend him BUT
we fixed nothing right? he's just going to go do what he planned without us.
I'm torn here, actually torn, i want to help guide him to stay natural and grow, but we can't help him due to his age.
I'm not sure the right call, truly hard to know!

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As inconsiderate as this may sound this particular scenario is a safer one to to turn away from and will set the tone that we dont support the use of Ped's for underage children.

 

[Freki]

I'm torn here, actually torn, i want to help guide him to stay natural and grow, but we can't help him due to his age.
I'm not sure the right call, truly hard to know!

It's always going to be a problem @LevButlerov
Under 19 and over 15, probably 16 at max ,
Whatever happened to smoking a doobie and trying to get to 2nd base, now kids want to potentially screw there hormones up for the future.

If we break it down and you help him do it safely it only further encourages the next 16 , 15, 17 yr old to want to do the same.
Lesser of two evils

 

[Dreamer]

I dont think we should be that welcoming to the idea of it to be honest, I understand they will likely do it anyway - shitty influencers and tik tok dickheads are to blame for this, but we dont want Evo to be known for helping teenagers get on gear, it may sound harsh but its darwins law, any of these kids can find the information they need, but they want to be spoonfed and reassured they arent fucking themselves up, which they are.

@LevButlerov do you agree?

 

[BigCheese2000]

Brother, I hear you it really is a catch-22. But at some point we’ve got to draw a line. If we help one minor, what happens when the next kid comes along already holding a vial of test… or worse, a bottle of tren? No one wants to be involved in something that ends with a minor using something that could seriously harm them.

Yeah, these compounds aren’t on the same level, but the situation itself doesn’t change - helping a minor with PEDs in any form puts everyone in a tough position. If we say yes once, another will come asking about something even stronger, and it becomes a snowball effect.

I’d rather shut it down here, where the risk is lower, than set a precedent that could lead a minor toward using something far more damaging.

Heard @coolguy77711 is actually 17 and considering his first sarm cycle soon. May wanna keep an eye on him too and get some verification going

 

[Dreamer]

Heard @coolguy77711 is actually 17 and considering his first sarm cycle soon. May wanna keep an eye on him too and get some verification going

I have heard the same, he asked me for Ostarine

 

[BigCheese2000]

I have heard the same, he asked me for Ostarine

Heard he’s gonna go a bit nuts and go on a turkesterone cycle soon enough

 

[Dreamer]

Heard he’s gonna go a bit nuts and go on a turkesterone cycle soon enough

as long as he logs it, should be ok

 

[Coolguy]

that's it @BigCheese2000 @Dreamer you boys are getting dick pic verification pictures.
Love those sarms next on the agenda anavar only cycle for 4 weeks to get huge

 

[Dreamer]

that's it @BigCheese2000 @Dreamer you boys are getting dick pic verification pictures.
Love those sarms next on the agenda anavar only cycle for 4 weeks to get huge

I wait patiently for it haha, 10mg on workout days only stack it with some hcg too

 

[LevButlerov]

Heard @coolguy77711 is actually 17 and considering his first sarm cycle soon. May wanna keep an eye on him too and get some verification going

he's 17 going to 47 @BigCheese2000

 

[LevButlerov]

I dont think we should be that welcoming to the idea of it to be honest, I understand they will likely do it anyway - shitty influencers and tik tok dickheads are to blame for this, but we dont want Evo to be known for helping teenagers get on gear, it may sound harsh but its darwins law, any of these kids can find the information they need, but they want to be spoonfed and reassured they arent fucking themselves up, which they are.

@LevButlerov do you agree?

I agree of course in principal but I'm not sure factually what the real answer is, it's not like we taught him anything, we just drove him away. @Dreamer

 

[LevButlerov]

It's always going to be a problem @LevButlerov
Under 19 and over 15, probably 16 at max ,
Whatever happened to smoking a doobie and trying to get to 2nd base, now kids want to potentially screw there hormones up for the future.

If we break it down and you help him do it safely it only further encourages the next 16 , 15, 17 yr old to want to do the same.
Lesser of two evils

I didnt like he said under 19 and over 15 that's why we suspended him @Freki
so sad we can't explain to him the problems he can cause himself, he's too young

 

[LevButlerov]

As inconsiderate as this may sound this particular scenario is a safer one to to turn away from and will set the tone that we dont support the use of Ped's for underage children.

It's fair I agree, not sure how we can talk him down from it.

 

[toddthelineman]

It's fair I agree, not sure how we can talk him down from it.

He’s going to feel so horrible from taking that stuff that we probably don’t have to talk him down. That’s no helping him. He’s underage for sure, definitely not listening. He thinks he’s smarter than everyone and has it figured out. Like his “research”is better than out experience. Nothing we can do

 

[LevButlerov]

He’s going to feel so horrible from taking that stuff that we probably don’t have to talk him down. That’s no helping him. He’s underage for sure, definitely not listening. He thinks he’s smarter than everyone and has it figured out. Like his “research”is better than out experience. Nothing we can do

If he's reading this, I recommend harder training and more food with creatine and protein.

 

[Noah Wixx]

You never know who is lurking or watching without posting or making a user name... minors of any kind on evo posting pictures of peds or talking about utilizing them... all it takes is one parent or person in a certain line of work and evo is done for along with members, etc keep in mind what we do and take.

I understand people might feel bad, this is no place for kids we have nothing to offer them here or anything to help them with.

Evo needs to be strict in its stance and policies to help keep evo members safe and evo safe is how i see it.

 

[teeganJohn]

How old are you, man? Also, are you planning on keeping a log with progress pics if you decide to go through with this?

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Whatever happened to smoking a doobie and trying to get to 2nd base, now kids want to potentially screw there hormones up for the future.

Fucking aye - I was wondering when someone was going to say that. The consequences are so minor in comparison and you get to sit on the couch with a girl instead of hiding from girls in a pack of other dorky boys pretending to lift at the gym.

 

[toddthelineman]

If he's reading this, I recommend harder training and more food with creatine and protein.

And abstaining from the Internet. That would make him a huge advantage in a generation that doesn’t know what real life experience is

 

[Freki]

I didnt like he said under 19 and over 15 that's why we suspended him @Freki
so sad we can't explain to him the problems he can cause himself, he's too young

@LevButlerov Thoughts on a thread were its all lined out on what is needed to grow muscle (the solution)

What peds do ( the info)

What happens when taking peds under age ( the consequences).

Then things like the vast majority just need to eat more, so simple easily digestible meals / tricks to increase calories.

If we just shout No No No we sound like the parents and they switch off.

 

[Dreamer]

@LevButlerov Thoughts on a thread were its all lined out on what is needed to grow muscle (the solution)

What peds do ( the info)

What happens when taking peds under age ( the consequences).

Then things like the vast majority just need to eat more, so simple easily digestible meals / tricks to increase calories.

If we just shout No No No we sound like the parents and they switch off.

Great idea, but I dont think they would read it anyway, its hard man they get told from a 30 sec tiktok shitfluencer that taking enclomiphene and some sarm or peptide is safe then come to places like this looking for validation - not to learn, every one of those kids that have posted recently has a very set mind on a very average cycle ranging from the example above or some extreme like 500mg test and an oral.

Social media is doing alot of damage.

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov Thoughts on a thread were its all lined out on what is needed to grow muscle (the solution)

What peds do ( the info)

What happens when taking peds under age ( the consequences).

Then things like the vast majority just need to eat more, so simple easily digestible meals / tricks to increase calories.

If we just shout No No No we sound like the parents and they switch off.

that's an amazing idea! @Freki we need to set up how to grow naturally? something like that?

 

[LevButlerov]

You never know who is lurking or watching without posting or making a user name... minors of any kind on evo posting pictures of peds or talking about utilizing them... all it takes is one parent or person in a certain line of work and evo is done for along with members, etc keep in mind what we do and take.

I understand people might feel bad, this is no place for kids we have nothing to offer them here or anything to help them with.

Evo needs to be strict in its stance and policies to help keep evo members safe and evo safe is how i see it.

yes I fully agree, we need to enforce our TOS. I've come to realize it. @Noah Wixx

 

[Allupfromhere]

@LevButlerov Thoughts on a thread were its all lined out on what is needed to grow muscle (the solution)

What peds do ( the info)

What happens when taking peds under age ( the consequences).

Then things like the vast majority just need to eat more, so simple easily digestible meals / tricks to increase calories.

If we just shout No No No we sound like the parents and they switch off.

This is a super constructive approach

Great idea, but I dont think they would read it anyway, its hard man they get told from a 30 sec tiktok shitfluencer that taking enclomiphene and some sarm or peptide is safe then come to places like this looking for validation - not to learn, every one of those kids that have posted recently has a very set mind on a very average cycle ranging from the example above or some extreme like 500mg test and an oral.

Social media is doing alot of damage.

They're children lol as @HarleyGuy said most of them will answer shop until they get an answer that supports a decision they have already been leaning towards lol

 

[Noah Wixx]

yes I fully agree, we need to enforce our TOS. I've come to realize it. @Noah Wixx

Its the only way brother

 

[HarleyGuy]

@LevButlerov Thoughts on a thread were its all lined out on what is needed to grow muscle (the solution)

What peds do ( the info)

What happens when taking peds under age ( the consequences).

Then things like the vast majority just need to eat more, so simple easily digestible meals / tricks to increase calories.

If we just shout No No No we sound like the parents and they switch off.

This is a great idea and ought to be written in the context of using it as a link at the end of any replies to kids aged 18-23 when we tell them they're not ready.

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov Thoughts on a thread were its all lined out on what is needed to grow muscle (the solution)

What peds do ( the info)

What happens when taking peds under age ( the consequences).

Then things like the vast majority just need to eat more, so simple easily digestible meals / tricks to increase calories.

If we just shout No No No we sound like the parents and they switch off.

Can you spear head this for us? if you can do a bit of pre writing in a new thread we can megathread it.