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fingers86 said:
Another question for the brains trust, i was looking back through my notes when i first started gh. I was injecting the first few days int mus and noted great sleeps. Since going sub q at night sleep got worse. Adding selank has helped but still not getting the ratio of rem /deep i was im. Am i right in what i am reading that the body expects fast pulses of gh at night(natural pulses) and by sub q i am drawing the process out which may effecting my sleep? I am obviously in a toxic household which could be problem too. Just trying go maximise effectiveness of gh. I take 3iu morning and night so was wondering if fatloss would still be effective doing pm im and am sub q?
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Or higher im dose pm but lower sub q am to still be at 6, dont want/need to go higher now
 
fingers86 said:
Another question for the brains trust, i was looking back through my notes when i first started gh. I was injecting the first few days int mus and noted great sleeps. Since going sub q at night sleep got worse. Adding selank has helped but still not getting the ratio of rem /deep i was im. Am i right in what i am reading that the body expects fast pulses of gh at night(natural pulses) and by sub q i am drawing the process out which may effecting my sleep? I am obviously in a toxic household which could be problem too. Just trying go maximise effectiveness of gh. I take 3iu morning and night so was wondering if fatloss would still be effective doing pm im and am sub q?
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You can split your dosing that way AM and PM for some possible lipolysis increase. As for IM vs subQ there's not a huge difference in PM so you can continue PM IM if that's what's working for you but I'd do subQ in AM.
 
HarleyGuy said:
You can split your dosing that way AM and PM for some possible lipolysis increase. As for IM vs subQ there's not a huge difference in PM so you can continue PM IM if that's what's working for you but I'd do subQ in AM.
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Yeah i have been doing both sub q as have supplies to do so but didnt when first started. When you say not huge difference in pm do u mean not much difference in lypolysis between im and sub q?
 
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Flat bench 2 working sets
20kg warmup x 10
45kg x 12
45kg x 13(12)

Incline bench 2 working sets
40kg x 13 (7)
40kg x 14 (12)

Cable lat raises
5kg each side warmup x 10
10kg x 10
7.5kg x 13
5kg x 16


Low to high cable fly
Warmup 6.25kg x 10(5kg each side x 10)
11.25kg x 15 (10kg x 12)
8.75kg x 15(7.5kg each side x 13)
6.25kg x 18 (5kg each side x 16)

Pec fly
12kg warmup x 10
40kg x 21(20)
33kg x 25(20)
26kg x 45 (29)

Tricep extension
10kg x 10 warmup
46kg x 20
39kg x22 (20)
32kg x 32(31)

Had no time for treadmill or bike will try to go tonight
 
fingers86 said:
Flat bench 2 working sets
20kg warmup x 10
45kg x 12
45kg x 13(12)

Incline bench 2 working sets
40kg x 13 (7)
40kg x 14 (12)

Cable lat raises
5kg each side warmup x 10
10kg x 10
7.5kg x 13
5kg x 16


Low to high cable fly
Warmup 6.25kg x 10(5kg each side x 10)
11.25kg x 15 (10kg x 12)
8.75kg x 15(7.5kg each side x 13)
6.25kg x 18 (5kg each side x 16)

Pec fly
12kg warmup x 10
40kg x 21(20)
33kg x 25(20)
26kg x 45 (29)

Tricep extension
10kg x 10 warmup
46kg x 20
39kg x22 (20)
32kg x 32(31)

Had no time for treadmill or bike will try to go tonight
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Nice chest hit bro 👌 🩵
 
fingers86 said:
Geez ive changed. Looking better everyday
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you look amazing! night and day look @fingers86

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fingers86 said:
Flat bench 2 working sets
20kg warmup x 10
45kg x 12
45kg x 13(12)

Incline bench 2 working sets
40kg x 13 (7)
40kg x 14 (12)

Cable lat raises
5kg each side warmup x 10
10kg x 10
7.5kg x 13
5kg x 16


Low to high cable fly
Warmup 6.25kg x 10(5kg each side x 10)
11.25kg x 15 (10kg x 12)
8.75kg x 15(7.5kg each side x 13)
6.25kg x 18 (5kg each side x 16)

Pec fly
12kg warmup x 10
40kg x 21(20)
33kg x 25(20)
26kg x 45 (29)

Tricep extension
10kg x 10 warmup
46kg x 20
39kg x22 (20)
32kg x 32(31)

Had no time for treadmill or bike will try to go tonight
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training paying off :D
 
Trenhead3cc said:
It’s a great feeling when people are noticing and commenting on your physique. Keep going bro 💪
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No one at home does, too self absorbed. Dunno how long ill stay here for. I only cop abuse. Its a great feeling getting a comlliment every now and then. Meeting some great people at the gym too. Its my only safe space and she hates it coz she struggles to control it
 
fingers86 said:
No one at home does, too self absorbed. Dunno how long ill stay here for. I only cop abuse. Its a great feeling getting a comlliment every now and then. Meeting some great people at the gym too. Its my only safe space and she hates it coz she struggles to control it
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Sorry to hear bro, My wife doesn’t complement much either and will find many people the same.

Could be she doesn’t want to encourage obsession or vanity ,
Or fear that you will now get attention elsewhere, or that you’re outgrowing the relationship.

Or maybe she is someone that supports silently , through “ I cooked differently “
“ I adjusted my schedules “

I think we just have different value systems

As men , we want our partner to encourage and support us more than anything. After all we go to work to provide for our family and all we really want is respect and appreciation/ recognition in return.
 
Trenhead3cc said:
Sorry to hear bro, My wife doesn’t complement much either and will find many people the same.

Could be she doesn’t want to encourage obsession or vanity ,
Or fear that you will now get attention elsewhere, or that you’re outgrowing the relationship.

Or maybe she is someone that supports silently , through “ I cooked differently “
“ I adjusted my schedules “

I think we just have different value systems

As men , we want our partner to encourage and support us more than anything. After all we go to work to provide for our family and all we really want is respect and appreciation/ recognition in return.
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Nah mines the type that tries to control me, uses coersive tacticts and badmouths me behind my back. I cant take kids to see my family or have my family over but hers is over every week and she goes there every week. Eldest is almost 3 and seen my mum 3 times. Shes broken me a few times but i keep being rebuilt. Now i dont take her shit and its 1000 tines worse. I actually hope she finds someone else and leaves me alone.
 
fingers86 said:
Nah mines the type that tries to control me, uses coersive tacticts and badmouths me behind my back. I cant take kids to see my family or have my family over but hers is over every week and she goes there every week. Eldest is almost 3 and seen my mum 3 times. Shes broken me a few times but i keep being rebuilt. Now i dont take her shit and its 1000 tines worse. I actually hope she finds someone else and leaves me alone.
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Ah sorry to hear bro. Thats rough!
 
Sounds like need to break that cycle and get out bro. No point living uncomfortably in your own home. Life is too short to live like that.

Have your own place and space.
 
Trenhead3cc said:
Sounds like need to break that cycle and get out bro. No point living uncomfortably in your own home. Life is too short to live like that.

Have your own place and space.
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Psyc said that too. I told wife lol she reckons i would of made up shit i said no i showed our messages lol. Will be leaving if she dont change by start of next cycle. I told her shes got till end of may to get help.
 
fingers86 said:
Nah mines the type that tries to control me, uses coersive tacticts and badmouths me behind my back. I cant take kids to see my family or have my family over but hers is over every week and she goes there every week. Eldest is almost 3 and seen my mum 3 times. Shes broken me a few times but i keep being rebuilt. Now i dont take her shit and its 1000 tines worse. I actually hope she finds someone else and leaves me alone.
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Fuck , not healthy bro, hopefully you get something sorted
 
fingers86 said:
Geez ive changed. Looking better everyday
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Looking really good mate! You've made some serious progress!
fingers86 said:
Flat bench 2 working sets
20kg warmup x 10
45kg x 12
45kg x 13(12)

Incline bench 2 working sets
40kg x 13 (7)
40kg x 14 (12)

Cable lat raises
5kg each side warmup x 10
10kg x 10
7.5kg x 13
5kg x 16


Low to high cable fly
Warmup 6.25kg x 10(5kg each side x 10)
11.25kg x 15 (10kg x 12)
8.75kg x 15(7.5kg each side x 13)
6.25kg x 18 (5kg each side x 16)

Pec fly
12kg warmup x 10
40kg x 21(20)
33kg x 25(20)
26kg x 45 (29)

Tricep extension
10kg x 10 warmup
46kg x 20
39kg x22 (20)
32kg x 32(31)

Had no time for treadmill or bike will try to go tonight
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Nice looking push workout! Good selection and number of exercises. Looks like you've made some good strength progressions as well.
 
waggat said:
Looking really good mate! You've made some serious progress!

Nice looking push workout! Good selection and number of exercises. Looks like you've made some good strength progressions as well.
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Yeah it seems my wrist is forgiving once ive done bench. Im thinking of increasing warmup set qty to get some movement in it. Mind you i do have a wrist guard on really tight for support. Have to losen between sets. Still defining actual workouts as i dont feel im hitting all muscles yet.
I also borrowed wrist strap attachnent for cable machine but was a bit big. Ive ordered my own as i feel i was able to do workout easier not reying on grip.

Also researching more iso exercises for all days. The low to high really is good
 
fingers86 said:
Nah mines the type that tries to control me, uses coersive tacticts and badmouths me behind my back. I cant take kids to see my family or have my family over but hers is over every week and she goes there every week. Eldest is almost 3 and seen my mum 3 times. Shes broken me a few times but i keep being rebuilt. Now i dont take her shit and its 1000 tines worse. I actually hope she finds someone else and leaves me alone.
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In situations like this, leave it all the the gym I suggest it :D @fingers86
 
Lat pulldown wide grip
Warmup 15kg x 10
40kg x 21(20)
35kg x 23(20)
30kg x 29(28)

Hopefully better when new straps show up. Ordered some wrap around ones as only have figure 8

upper back
Warmup 10kg x 10
40kg x 20 (35kg x 20)
35kg x 20(30kg x 20)
30kg x 23(25kg x 40)

-low row
Warmup 15kg x 10 (10kg x 10)
40kg x 20 (35kg x 20)
35kg x 20(30kg x 25)
30kg x 25(25kg x 61)

-bicep curl
Warmup 10kg x 10
32kg x 20(20)
25kg x 25(20)
20kg x 29(25)

Reverse fly
12kg warmup x 10
33kg x 19 (19 )
26kg x 16(13)
20kg x 23(23)

Added below but below done before fly.
Cable straight arm rearward
Warmup 3.75kg x 10
8.75kg x 10
6.25kg x 12
3.75kg x 15

Rotator cuff dumbell
2kg warmup x 10
7kg x 20
5kg x 22
3kg x 28

Treadmill 13% incline 3km/h 30minutes
 
fingers86 said:
Lat pulldown wide grip
Warmup 15kg x 10
40kg x 21(20)
35kg x 23(20)
30kg x 29(28)

Hopefully better when new straps show up. Ordered some wrap around ones as only have figure 8

upper back
Warmup 10kg x 10
40kg x 20 (35kg x 20)
35kg x 20(30kg x 20)
30kg x 23(25kg x 40)

-low row
Warmup 15kg x 10 (10kg x 10)
40kg x 20 (35kg x 20)
35kg x 20(30kg x 25)
30kg x 25(25kg x 61)

-bicep curl
Warmup 10kg x 10
32kg x 20(20)
25kg x 25(20)
20kg x 29(25)

Reverse fly
12kg warmup x 10
33kg x 19 (19 )
26kg x 16(13)
20kg x 23(23)

Added below but below done before fly.
Cable straight arm rearward
Warmup 3.75kg x 10
8.75kg x 10
6.25kg x 12
3.75kg x 15

Rotator cuff dumbell
2kg warmup x 10
7kg x 20
5kg x 22
3kg x 28

Treadmill 13% incline 3km/h 30minutes
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Great volume on the training bro 🩵
 
fingers86 said:
Lat pulldown wide grip
Warmup 15kg x 10
40kg x 21(20)
35kg x 23(20)
30kg x 29(28)

Hopefully better when new straps show up. Ordered some wrap around ones as only have figure 8

upper back
Warmup 10kg x 10
40kg x 20 (35kg x 20)
35kg x 20(30kg x 20)
30kg x 23(25kg x 40)

-low row
Warmup 15kg x 10 (10kg x 10)
40kg x 20 (35kg x 20)
35kg x 20(30kg x 25)
30kg x 25(25kg x 61)

-bicep curl
Warmup 10kg x 10
32kg x 20(20)
25kg x 25(20)
20kg x 29(25)

Reverse fly
12kg warmup x 10
33kg x 19 (19 )
26kg x 16(13)
20kg x 23(23)

Added below but below done before fly.
Cable straight arm rearward
Warmup 3.75kg x 10
8.75kg x 10
6.25kg x 12
3.75kg x 15

Rotator cuff dumbell
2kg warmup x 10
7kg x 20
5kg x 22
3kg x 28

Treadmill 13% incline 3km/h 30minutes
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big lat pulls :D 40kgs good volume
and i like the curls also good pump, i see 29 reps there? nice! @fingers86

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fingers86 said:
Lat pulldown wide grip
Warmup 15kg x 10
40kg x 21(20)
35kg x 23(20)
30kg x 29(28)

Hopefully better when new straps show up. Ordered some wrap around ones as only have figure 8

upper back
Warmup 10kg x 10
40kg x 20 (35kg x 20)
35kg x 20(30kg x 20)
30kg x 23(25kg x 40)

-low row
Warmup 15kg x 10 (10kg x 10)
40kg x 20 (35kg x 20)
35kg x 20(30kg x 25)
30kg x 25(25kg x 61)

-bicep curl
Warmup 10kg x 10
32kg x 20(20)
25kg x 25(20)
20kg x 29(25)

Reverse fly
12kg warmup x 10
33kg x 19 (19 )
26kg x 16(13)
20kg x 23(23)

Added below but below done before fly.
Cable straight arm rearward
Warmup 3.75kg x 10
8.75kg x 10
6.25kg x 12
3.75kg x 15

Rotator cuff dumbell
2kg warmup x 10
7kg x 20
5kg x 22
3kg x 28

Treadmill 13% incline 3km/h 30minutes
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I personally love the figure 8s more than the wrap around but everyone has their own style they like, keep at it brother 🤜🏽🤛🏽🙏
 
So verdict on products i have logged for @Ascension Peptides. Glow did its job, i get sore joints easy but i felt fine the next day.started at 500mcg tb500 ratio finished at 1mg ratio. I was trying to get my hand and wrist better. I am contuing on kpv at 2mg until thursday to see if assists the wrist. I will then drop to 1mg daily. Would i buy again? Probably not. I think i would buy the individual products and find the ratio that works for me.

Mots-c, kept me energised. I started taking it preworkout but then changed to fasted. I think i benifited from fasted the most. Only feedback i have on this product is i think it should come in a minimum of 40mg size. But thats only my preference, not any issues other then that.fat has dropped off.

Vendor, what more can u ask of? Checks in to see if happy with products. Gives guidance on dosages and products thaf may be more helpfull. Shipping fast. Also i havnt seen any other vendors that provides everything in order to use the product. Hat goes off for that. The market is flooded with peptide vendors at the moment so great way to standout.

Thimosin alpha i havnt noticed anything yet as still on starting dose and probably wont have enough time to notice full effect. I will be purchasing more after this cycle from @Ascension Peptides
 
fingers86 said:
Lat pulldown wide grip
Warmup 15kg x 10
40kg x 21(20)
35kg x 23(20)
30kg x 29(28)

Hopefully better when new straps show up. Ordered some wrap around ones as only have figure 8

upper back
Warmup 10kg x 10
40kg x 20 (35kg x 20)
35kg x 20(30kg x 20)
30kg x 23(25kg x 40)

-low row
Warmup 15kg x 10 (10kg x 10)
40kg x 20 (35kg x 20)
35kg x 20(30kg x 25)
30kg x 25(25kg x 61)

-bicep curl
Warmup 10kg x 10
32kg x 20(20)
25kg x 25(20)
20kg x 29(25)

Reverse fly
12kg warmup x 10
33kg x 19 (19 )
26kg x 16(13)
20kg x 23(23)

Added below but below done before fly.
Cable straight arm rearward
Warmup 3.75kg x 10
8.75kg x 10
6.25kg x 12
3.75kg x 15

Rotator cuff dumbell
2kg warmup x 10
7kg x 20
5kg x 22
3kg x 28

Treadmill 13% incline 3km/h 30minutes
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You really like the high rep work dont you? You must be so pumped it hurts haha
 
fingers86 said:
Lat pulldown wide grip
Warmup 15kg x 10
40kg x 21(20)
35kg x 23(20)
30kg x 29(28)

Hopefully better when new straps show up. Ordered some wrap around ones as only have figure 8

upper back
Warmup 10kg x 10
40kg x 20 (35kg x 20)
35kg x 20(30kg x 20)
30kg x 23(25kg x 40)

-low row
Warmup 15kg x 10 (10kg x 10)
40kg x 20 (35kg x 20)
35kg x 20(30kg x 25)
30kg x 25(25kg x 61)

-bicep curl
Warmup 10kg x 10
32kg x 20(20)
25kg x 25(20)
20kg x 29(25)

Reverse fly
12kg warmup x 10
33kg x 19 (19 )
26kg x 16(13)
20kg x 23(23)

Added below but below done before fly.
Cable straight arm rearward
Warmup 3.75kg x 10
8.75kg x 10
6.25kg x 12
3.75kg x 15

Rotator cuff dumbell
2kg warmup x 10
7kg x 20
5kg x 22
3kg x 28

Treadmill 13% incline 3km/h 30minutes
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Nice workout mate. Good selection of exercises.
 
Total abs
Warmup 15kg x 10
70kg x 30(25)
65kg x 30(25)
60kg x 45 (43)

Core trunk
Warmup 10kg x 10
22.5kg x (20kg x 25)
20kg x 20 (17.5kg x 25)
17.5kg x lh. 50 Rh. 48 (15kg x lh 65 rh 62)

Legs in air twist
Warmup 5kg x 15
20kg x 25 (15kg x 25)
15kg x 25 (10kg x 25)
10kg x 15 (5kg x 37)

Followed by 30minutes treadmill 13% incline 3kmh
 
fingers86 said:
Total abs
Warmup 15kg x 10
70kg x 30(25)
65kg x 30(25)
60kg x 45 (43)

Core trunk
Warmup 10kg x 10
22.5kg x (20kg x 25)
20kg x 20 (17.5kg x 25)
17.5kg x lh. 50 Rh. 48 (15kg x lh 65 rh 62)

Legs in air twist
Warmup 5kg x 15
20kg x 25 (15kg x 25)
15kg x 25 (10kg x 25)
10kg x 15 (5kg x 37)

Followed by 30minutes treadmill 13% incline 3kmh
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fingers86 said:
Time to refuel
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god training maybe too much for you today :D and nice meal
 
Flat bench 2 working sets
20kg warmup x 10
45kg x 13(12)
45kg x 13(12)

Incline bench 2 working sets
45kg x 12 (40kg x 13)
45kg x 12 (40kg x 14)

Cable lat raises
5kg each side warmup x 10
10kg x 15 (10)
7.5kg x 20(13)
5kg x 25( 16)


Low to high cable fly
Warmup 6.25kg x 10(5kg each side x 10)
11.25kg x 20 (15)
8.75kg x 16(15)
6.25kg x (18)

Pec fly done after supercet
12kg warmup x 10
40kg x 25(21)
33kg x 30 (25)
26kg x 35 (45)

Tricep extension / bicep curls s/s first time
10kg x 10 warmup /
46kg x 22 (20) / 32kg x 22 (20)
39kg x 25(22) / 25kg x 25(25)
32kg x32 (32) / 20kg x 25(32)

30 minutes treadmill 13% incline 3kmh
 
fingers86 said:
Flat bench 2 working sets
20kg warmup x 10
45kg x 13(12)
45kg x 13(12)

Incline bench 2 working sets
45kg x 12 (40kg x 13)
45kg x 12 (40kg x 14)

Cable lat raises
5kg each side warmup x 10
10kg x 15 (10)
7.5kg x 20(13)
5kg x 25( 16)


Low to high cable fly
Warmup 6.25kg x 10(5kg each side x 10)
11.25kg x 20 (15)
8.75kg x 16(15)
6.25kg x (18)

Pec fly done after supercet
12kg warmup x 10
40kg x 25(21)
33kg x 30 (25)
26kg x 35 (45)

Tricep extension / bicep curls s/s first time
10kg x 10 warmup /
46kg x 22 (20) / 32kg x 22 (20)
39kg x 25(22) / 25kg x 25(25)
32kg x32 (32) / 20kg x 25(32)

30 minutes treadmill 13% incline 3kmh
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Great update bro. Tremendous volume you have going in these sessions, bravo 🩵
 
fingers86 said:
Flat bench 2 working sets
20kg warmup x 10
45kg x 13(12)
45kg x 13(12)

Incline bench 2 working sets
45kg x 12 (40kg x 13)
45kg x 12 (40kg x 14)

Cable lat raises
5kg each side warmup x 10
10kg x 15 (10)
7.5kg x 20(13)
5kg x 25( 16)


Low to high cable fly
Warmup 6.25kg x 10(5kg each side x 10)
11.25kg x 20 (15)
8.75kg x 16(15)
6.25kg x (18)

Pec fly done after supercet
12kg warmup x 10
40kg x 25(21)
33kg x 30 (25)
26kg x 35 (45)

Tricep extension / bicep curls s/s first time
10kg x 10 warmup /
46kg x 22 (20) / 32kg x 22 (20)
39kg x 25(22) / 25kg x 25(25)
32kg x32 (32) / 20kg x 25(32)

30 minutes treadmill 13% incline 3kmh
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Building up the volume incline bench pushing 45 nicely! @fingers86

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HarleyGuy said:
You can split your dosing that way AM and PM for some possible lipolysis increase. As for IM vs subQ there's not a huge difference in PM so you can continue PM IM if that's what's working for you but I'd do subQ in AM.
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fingers86 said:
Yeah i have been doing both sub q as have supplies to do so but didnt when first started. When you say not huge difference in pm do u mean not much difference in lypolysis between im and sub q?
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Boys im sorry but you guys a fairly off the mark here.

There is a significant difference in im vs subq injections with growth hormone and how out bodies utilise it from either application.

Subq injections 100% of the time if you want the highest returns.

Hgh is designed to work systemically not locally. Suq gives slower steadier absorbtion and greater mimics our natural gh pulses better. Resulting in more stable igf1 response.

IM injections have an extremely acute blood gh response. Not something that 99% of evo members are ever going to need to consider.

If your after lypolisis then fasted cardio even after pm subq injections is still constructive as the slow release rate that wont be interrupted untill you eat and insulin becomes present.

The half life spike of a bolus IM gh injection is around 2.5hrs so if you were to capitalise on the lypolisis effect of this you would need to administer before fasted cardio based around this time frame.

If specifically your chasing the lypolisis effect from gh then there is a much better approach for this.

Look at using AOD 9604 peptide which is the 16 amino acid fragment of Gh and is the specific mechanism for stimulating lipolysis and inhibition of lipogenesis.

Its still however a slow burner. If your expecting extreme fat loss drops this isnt it nor is gh but pair these together along with something like reta and then mito enhancements and you will get the effects your after and within reason quite fast too.
 
Allupfromhere said:
Boys im sorry but you guys a fairly off the mark here.

There is a significant difference in im vs subq injections with growth hormone and how out bodies utilise it from either application.

Subq injections 100% of the time if you want the highest returns.

Hgh is designed to work systemically not locally. Suq gives slower steadier absorbtion and greater mimics our natural gh pulses better. Resulting in more stable igf1 response.

IM injections have an extremely acute blood gh response. Not something that 99% of evo members are ever going to need to consider.

If your after lypolisis then fasted cardio even after pm subq injections is still constructive as the slow release rate that wont be interrupted untill you eat and insulin becomes present.

The half life spike of a bolus IM gh injection is around 2.5hrs so if you were to capitalise on the lypolisis effect of this you would need to administer before fasted cardio based around this time frame.

If specifically your chasing the lypolisis effect from gh then there is a much better approach for this.

Look at using AOD 9604 peptide which is the 16 amino acid fragment of Gh and is the specific mechanism for stimulating lipolysis and inhibition of lipogenesis.

Its still however a slow burner. If your expecting extreme fat loss drops this isnt it nor is gh but pair these together along with something like reta and then mito enhancements and you will get the effects your after and within reason quite fast too.
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Now THIS is what I call an explanation! ⬆️
 
Allupfromhere said:
Boys im sorry but you guys a fairly off the mark here.

There is a significant difference in im vs subq injections with growth hormone and how out bodies utilise it from either application.

Subq injections 100% of the time if you want the highest returns.

Hgh is designed to work systemically not locally. Suq gives slower steadier absorbtion and greater mimics our natural gh pulses better. Resulting in more stable igf1 response.

IM injections have an extremely acute blood gh response. Not something that 99% of evo members are ever going to need to consider.

If your after lypolisis then fasted cardio even after pm subq injections is still constructive as the slow release rate that wont be interrupted untill you eat and insulin becomes present.

The half life spike of a bolus IM gh injection is around 2.5hrs so if you were to capitalise on the lypolisis effect of this you would need to administer before fasted cardio based around this time frame.

If specifically your chasing the lypolisis effect from gh then there is a much better approach for this.

Look at using AOD 9604 peptide which is the 16 amino acid fragment of Gh and is the specific mechanism for stimulating lipolysis and inhibition of lipogenesis.

Its still however a slow burner. If your expecting extreme fat loss drops this isnt it nor is gh but pair these together along with something like reta and then mito enhancements and you will get the effects your after and within reason quite fast too.
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Thank you for the great explanation. Yeah currently do am and pm sub q still. Also take reta, slu morning and lunch, 5 amino 1q and l carnitine am and before gym. Mots-c morning fasted too. I feel fat is coming off pretty quick. Just wasnt sure if im would give better sleep. With half life of 2 hours id say no. Am i always take fasted. Using that explanation, if i plan fasted cardio in morning would it provide better benifit int muscle? Or the longevity of subq still outway it?
 
fingers86 said:
Thank you for the great explanation. Yeah currently do am and pm sub q still. Also take reta, slu morning and lunch, 5 amino 1q and l carnitine am and before gym. Mots-c morning fasted too. I feel fat is coming off pretty quick. Just wasnt sure if im would give better sleep. With half life of 2 hours id say no. Am i always take fasted. Using that explanation, if i plan fasted cardio in morning would it provide better benifit int muscle? Or the longevity of subq still outway it?
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I won't touch this one and leave this to our resident HGH pin timing expert @Allupfromhere, he'll know. He can make the answer come alive with knowledge and the bloke uses his phone too!
 
HarleyGuy said:
I won't touch this one and leave this to our resident HGH pin timing expert @Allupfromhere, he'll know. He can make the answer come alive with knowledge and the bloke uses his phone too!
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Yeah never really had explained like that before. We are lucky having such a knowlege base. So glad i did this log
 
fingers86 said:
Yeah never really had explained like that before. We are lucky having such a knowlege base. So glad i did this log
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I mean in the end subQ is always best overall @Allupfromhere is bang on. I did IM 3 hours before my bloodwork one time after a GH layoff just to see if GH could be mixed with KLOW and still be effective. The IGF1 came back spiked so in an n=1 experiment it appears GH and KLOW can be two successfully mixed peptides in one slin pin and the GH doesn't get fkd with.
 
HarleyGuy said:
I mean in the end subQ is always best overall @Allupfromhere is bang on. I did IM 3 hours before my bloodwork one time after a GH layoff just to see if GH could be mixed with KLOW and still be effective. The IGF1 came back spiked so in an n=1 experiment it appears GH and KLOW can be two successfully mixed peptides in one slin pin and the GH doesn't get fkd with.
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I remember when you did this test!! Actually put a lot of speculation to bed with it. That was a solid one for the community 👌
 
fingers86 said:
Thank you for the great explanation. Yeah currently do am and pm sub q still. Also take reta, slu morning and lunch, 5 amino 1q and l carnitine am and before gym. Mots-c morning fasted too. I feel fat is coming off pretty quick. Just wasnt sure if im would give better sleep. With half life of 2 hours id say no. Am i always take fasted. Using that explanation, if i plan fasted cardio in morning would it provide better benifit int muscle? Or the longevity of subq still outway it?
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It would have a benefit IM administration if you were to time the peak half life.

It can make it too awkward depending on lifestyle and work structure as you would want to be aiming the minimum 2hrs prior to commencing your fasted cardio session. So i wouldnt bother just pin it subq with the rest and lean into the other compounds as your heavy hitters.

If i was to suggest a fasted cardio protocol it would look look something like this..

Aod9604 - 300mcg
Mots c 1-2mg
L Carnatine 500mg
Slupp332 what ever your morning dose is.

However its the total structure day to day that compounds the best fat loss results and improving your sleep is one of the biggest unfortunately.

Look into @CS Supps double strength night night product.

Also are you taking any oral nmn with the 5a1?
 
Allupfromhere said:
It would have a benefit IM administration if you were to time the peak half life.

It can make it too awkward depending on lifestyle and work structure as you would want to be aiming the minimum 2hrs prior to commencing your fasted cardio session. So i wouldnt bother just pin it subq with the rest and lean into the other compounds as your heavy hitters.

If i was to suggest a fasted cardio protocol it would look look something like this..

Aod9604 - 300mcg
Mots c 1-2mg
L Carnatine 500mg
Slupp332 what ever your morning dose is.

However its the total structure day to day that compounds the best fat loss results and improving your sleep is one of the biggest unfortunately.

Look into @CS Supps double strength night night product.

Also are you taking any oral nmn with the 5a1?
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Looking into now. What is nmn? Sry i know thc is against evo policy but i thought that wrecks quality sleep. Only mentioning this bit as i am prescribed thc gummies for sleep but stopped taking as i read it kills restorative sleep. Are you able to shed light on that part as if its fine i used to get 8 hours sleep on them lol

Might order the ds night night on payday.
 
Allupfromhere said:
It would have a benefit IM administration if you were to time the peak half life.

It can make it too awkward depending on lifestyle and work structure as you would want to be aiming the minimum 2hrs prior to commencing your fasted cardio session. So i wouldnt bother just pin it subq with the rest and lean into the other compounds as your heavy hitters.

If i was to suggest a fasted cardio protocol it would look look something like this..

Aod9604 - 300mcg
Mots c 1-2mg
L Carnatine 500mg
Slupp332 what ever your morning dose is.

However its the total structure day to day that compounds the best fat loss results and improving your sleep is one of the biggest unfortunately.

Look into @CS Supps double strength night night product.

Also are you taking any oral nmn with the 5a1?
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Looking at longevity blend, i now know what nmn is. No i currently dont but will order the longevity blend. A little hesitant on night night stuff as ive had 2mg melatonen and it ruined my sleep. Might still give a go, or may try one of my gummies lol
 
fingers86 said:
Flat bench 2 working sets
20kg warmup x 10
45kg x 13(12)
45kg x 13(12)

Incline bench 2 working sets
45kg x 12 (40kg x 13)
45kg x 12 (40kg x 14)

Cable lat raises
5kg each side warmup x 10
10kg x 15 (10)
7.5kg x 20(13)
5kg x 25( 16)


Low to high cable fly
Warmup 6.25kg x 10(5kg each side x 10)
11.25kg x 20 (15)
8.75kg x 16(15)
6.25kg x (18)

Pec fly done after supercet
12kg warmup x 10
40kg x 25(21)
33kg x 30 (25)
26kg x 35 (45)

Tricep extension / bicep curls s/s first time
10kg x 10 warmup /
46kg x 22 (20) / 32kg x 22 (20)
39kg x 25(22) / 25kg x 25(25)
32kg x32 (32) / 20kg x 25(32)

30 minutes treadmill 13% incline 3kmh
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Nice workout mate. Covered everything nicely. Do you normally hit bi's on pull day? If so, just make sure you give them a break between that day and this.
 
waggat said:
Nice workout mate. Covered everything nicely. Do you normally hit bi's on pull day? If so, just make sure you give them a break between that day and this.
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Not normally. Ive changed it up as trying to hit them twice. So doing push, legs, pull then abs/rest repeat. I wanna superset them on both days so moved it so seperated by a day.ill see how they feel and wont push them. If need be will go lighter.
 
fingers86 said:
Wtf is this muscle? Runs hip to groin. Never seen it before. Only see on one side
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adductor tendon line from the image I could be wrong though, hard to see the pic
 
Allupfromhere said:
It would have a benefit IM administration if you were to time the peak half life.

It can make it too awkward depending on lifestyle and work structure as you would want to be aiming the minimum 2hrs prior to commencing your fasted cardio session. So i wouldnt bother just pin it subq with the rest and lean into the other compounds as your heavy hitters.

If i was to suggest a fasted cardio protocol it would look look something like this..

Aod9604 - 300mcg
Mots c 1-2mg
L Carnatine 500mg
Slupp332 what ever your morning dose is.

However its the total structure day to day that compounds the best fat loss results and improving your sleep is one of the biggest unfortunately.

Look into @CS Supps double strength night night product.

Also are you taking any oral nmn with the 5a1?
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Jyst ordered double strength and longevity blend to try
 
Abductor out
10kg warmup x 10
50kg x 20 (20)
45kg x 21(20)
35kg x 32(30kg x 38)

Squats, did first last time
Warmup 20kg x 10
50kg x 21(20)
40kg x 21 (20)
30kg x 29 (31)


Abductor in
10kg warmup x 10
50kg x 16 (13)
40kg x 21(20)
30kg x 36 (33)

Leg extensions
19kg warmup x 10
47kg x 22(20)
40kg x 20(20)
33kg x 15 (15)

Seated leg curl
12kg x 10 warmup
54kg x 22(23)
47kg x 27(25)
40kg x 32(33)

Treadmill 40min 14% incline 3kmh

Ass is hard as a rock after that
 
fingers86 said:
Now got injectable carnitine coming. Wonder how much different it will feel compared to powder
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Not necessarily the different feeling as such its more the efficacy of a particular mg dose.

Injectable L-carnitine vs oral and it’s not close.

Injectable
Near-100% bioavailability
Immediate cns plus performance effects
More reliable fat oxidation
No GI issues
Lower doses needed 200–500 mg pre training

Oral
Poor absorption
Needs carbs/insulin to work properly
GI distress common at effective doses
Much weaker effects overall
Requires high doses 2–4 g

higher doses orally can produce a byproduct called tmao
fingers86 said:
Abductor out
10kg warmup x 10
50kg x 20 (20)
45kg x 21(20)
35kg x 32(30kg x 38)

Squats, did first last time
Warmup 20kg x 10
50kg x 21(20)
40kg x 21 (20)
30kg x 29 (31)


Abductor in
10kg warmup x 10
50kg x 16 (13)
40kg x 21(20)
30kg x 36 (33)

Leg extensions
19kg warmup x 10
47kg x 22(20)
40kg x 20(20)
33kg x 15 (15)

Seated leg curl
12kg x 10 warmup
54kg x 22(23)
47kg x 27(25)
40kg x 32(33)

Treadmill 40min 14% incline 3kmh

Ass is hard as a rock after that
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Nice session brother you lit this one up
 
Allupfromhere said:
Not necessarily the different feeling as such its more the efficacy of a particular mg dose.

Injectable L-carnitine vs oral and it’s not close.

Injectable
Near-100% bioavailability
Immediate cns plus performance effects
More reliable fat oxidation
No GI issues
Lower doses needed 200–500 mg pre training

Oral
Poor absorption
Needs carbs/insulin to work properly
GI distress common at effective doses
Much weaker effects overall
Requires high doses 2–4 g

higher doses orally can produce a byproduct called tmao

Nice session brother you lit this one up
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CHeers for another great explanation mate. I think im going to start using carbs during workout too. I feel im burning through the energy just before i finish workout. Maybe 10g topup carbs with my water to sip on. Thoughts?
 
fingers86 said:
Abductor out
10kg warmup x 10
50kg x 20 (20)
45kg x 21(20)
35kg x 32(30kg x 38)

Squats, did first last time
Warmup 20kg x 10
50kg x 21(20)
40kg x 21 (20)
30kg x 29 (31)


Abductor in
10kg warmup x 10
50kg x 16 (13)
40kg x 21(20)
30kg x 36 (33)

Leg extensions
19kg warmup x 10
47kg x 22(20)
40kg x 20(20)
33kg x 15 (15)

Seated leg curl
12kg x 10 warmup
54kg x 22(23)
47kg x 27(25)
40kg x 32(33)

Treadmill 40min 14% incline 3kmh

Ass is hard as a rock after that
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Great leg session brother. 🩵
 
fingers86 said:
CHeers for another great explanation mate. I think im going to start using carbs during workout too. I feel im burning through the energy just before i finish workout. Maybe 10g topup carbs with my water to sip on. Thoughts?
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Anytime brother just hit me up, if i can answet i will if i can ill bring in someone that can.

Not to be a shit supporter but help me catch up where you nutrition sits for the day and we can have a better look.

In a cut peri workout nutrition is absolutely crucial! 50-60% of our entire daily carbohydrates should be based around our workouts. Within that percentage i really like to see 60% pre, 5% intra and 35% post.
Pair this with wpi protein pre and clean protein post and Eaa's with the intra.

No fats whatsoever pre workout as this will just slow the release of the carbohydrates.
Opt for fast release high gi carbs like cereal, rice cakes, jams, honey.

Intra-Workout use a high molecular weight carbohydrate source like high branch cyclic dextrin or Karbolyn as these carb sources dont need to be digested and can be absorbed through the cell wall in the stomach withing approximately 10 minutes.

Fueling your workouts are priority for muscles retention.
 
Allupfromhere said:
Anytime brother just hit me up, if i can answet i will if i can ill bring in someone that can.

Not to be a shit supporter but help me catch up where you nutrition sits for the day and we can have a better look.

In a cut peri workout nutrition is absolutely crucial! 50-60% of our entire daily carbohydrates should be based around our workouts. Within that percentage i really like to see 60% pre, 5% intra and 35% post.
Pair this with wpi protein pre and clean protein post and Eaa's with the intra.

No fats whatsoever pre workout as this will just slow the release of the carbohydrates.
Opt for fast release high gi carbs like cereal, rice cakes, jams, honey.

Intra-Workout use a high molecular weight carbohydrate source like high branch cyclic dextrin or Karbolyn as these carb sources dont need to be digested and can be absorbed through the cell wall in the stomach withing approximately 10 minutes.

Fueling your workouts are priority for muscles retention.
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-Breakfast is 200g egg whites and 4 eggs
-200g plain greek yogurt smoko
-Preworkout is 24g fast carbs 30g protein shake and banana.
-post workout is protein shake
-Lunch is 250g kangaroo, 200g jasmin rice and 4 leaf salad.
-Dinner is 250g kangaroo and 125g brocolli and 125g green beens.

Sits me at 2200cal.
Id have to plug into app again to get full macro breakdown.
 
fingers86 said:
-Breakfast is 200g egg whites and 4 eggs
-200g plain greek yogurt smoko
-Preworkout is 24g fast carbs 30g protein shake and banana.
-post workout is protein shake
-Lunch is 250g kangaroo, 200g jasmin rice and 4 leaf salad.
-Dinner is 250g kangaroo and 125g brocolli and 125g green beens.

Sits me at 2200cal.
Id have to plug into app again to get full macro breakdown.
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Im just at the gym right now bro but leave this with me and ill structure it out on cronometer and give you back how i would set it out in a cut 🤜🏼🤛🏼
 
fingers86 said:
Wtf is this muscle? Runs hip to groin. Never seen it before. Only see on one side
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You are leaning out - that's your 'cum-gutters' coming in to use that term. Intersection of your abdominal muscles
 
Allupfromhere said:
Anytime brother just hit me up, if i can answet i will if i can ill bring in someone that can.

Not to be a shit supporter but help me catch up where you nutrition sits for the day and we can have a better look.

In a cut peri workout nutrition is absolutely crucial! 50-60% of our entire daily carbohydrates should be based around our workouts. Within that percentage i really like to see 60% pre, 5% intra and 35% post.
Pair this with wpi protein pre and clean protein post and Eaa's with the intra.

No fats whatsoever pre workout as this will just slow the release of the carbohydrates.
Opt for fast release high gi carbs like cereal, rice cakes, jams, honey.

Intra-Workout use a high molecular weight carbohydrate source like high branch cyclic dextrin or Karbolyn as these carb sources dont need to be digested and can be absorbed through the cell wall in the stomach withing approximately 10 minutes.

Fueling your workouts are priority for muscles retention.
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I actually just got my high branxg cyclic dextrin. Changing from carb x
 
fingers86 said:
Abductor out
10kg warmup x 10
50kg x 20 (20)
45kg x 21(20)
35kg x 32(30kg x 38)

Squats, did first last time
Warmup 20kg x 10
50kg x 21(20)
40kg x 21 (20)
30kg x 29 (31)


Abductor in
10kg warmup x 10
50kg x 16 (13)
40kg x 21(20)
30kg x 36 (33)

Leg extensions
19kg warmup x 10
47kg x 22(20)
40kg x 20(20)
33kg x 15 (15)

Seated leg curl
12kg x 10 warmup
54kg x 22(23)
47kg x 27(25)
40kg x 32(33)

Treadmill 40min 14% incline 3kmh

Ass is hard as a rock after that
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Nice workout there mate! Good selection of exercises. I think some of your back-off sets might be a bit too light though (hitting 32 reps for example).
Allupfromhere said:
Anytime brother just hit me up, if i can answet i will if i can ill bring in someone that can.

Not to be a shit supporter but help me catch up where you nutrition sits for the day and we can have a better look.

In a cut peri workout nutrition is absolutely crucial! 50-60% of our entire daily carbohydrates should be based around our workouts. Within that percentage i really like to see 60% pre, 5% intra and 35% post.
Pair this with wpi protein pre and clean protein post and Eaa's with the intra.

No fats whatsoever pre workout as this will just slow the release of the carbohydrates.
Opt for fast release high gi carbs like cereal, rice cakes, jams, honey.

Intra-Workout use a high molecular weight carbohydrate source like high branch cyclic dextrin or Karbolyn as these carb sources dont need to be digested and can be absorbed through the cell wall in the stomach withing approximately 10 minutes.

Fueling your workouts are priority for muscles retention.
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Awesome post from @Allupfromhere
fingers86 said:
-Breakfast is 200g egg whites and 4 eggs
-200g plain greek yogurt smoko
-Preworkout is 24g fast carbs 30g protein shake and banana.
-post workout is protein shake
-Lunch is 250g kangaroo, 200g jasmin rice and 4 leaf salad.
-Dinner is 250g kangaroo and 125g brocolli and 125g green beens.

Sits me at 2200cal.
Id have to plug into app again to get full macro breakdown.
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Meals look pretty good mate. Looks like you're doing pretty well getting carbs around workout. @Allupfromhere can help you really dial it in.
 
waggat said:
Nice workout there mate! Good selection of exercises. I think some of your back-off sets might be a bit too light though (hitting 32 reps for example).

Awesome post from @Allupfromhere

Meals look pretty good mate. Looks like you're doing pretty well getting carbs around workout. @Allupfromhere can help you really dial it in.
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I actually forgot to put 1/2 cup oats brekki too. I struggle to get much time to do too much at home. Shitty home situation. And sometimes dont make it to gym till 1230. Which means lunch just before 230.
 
waggat said:
Nice workout there mate! Good selection of exercises. I think some of your back-off sets might be a bit too light though (hitting 32 reps for example).

Awesome post from @Allupfromhere

Meals look pretty good mate. Looks like you're doing pretty well getting carbs around workout. @Allupfromhere can help you really dial it in.
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Yeah i could try either increasing starting weight or last set weights depending if free weight or machine. How many would be max id really want as amrap?
 
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