Fertility Thread (Hope for anyone trying)

[Adoniss87]

Hey all,
I have posted here previously about my fertility journey, but i thought i would summarize it here for anyone interested or looking to conceive in the near future.

Long story short:
Age: 37
Been on anabolic steroids since 2019 , test/deca/tren/dbol/anadrol etc.
TRT Dose: 100mg/week (no more blasting)
Wife & I Married 13/01/24
15/01/24 - 30/01/24 Hoping to conceive during honeymoon.
No luck with conception
February sperm analysis with YoSperm test - No visible sperm swimming
Shock and reality sets in. Have i fucked up my fertility?
Wanted to come off but was advised not to due to the "harsh negatives of doing so"
Started HMG and HCG , purchasing from varying sources
02/02/24 - Started HCG - 2500 IU M W F
28/02/24 - Started HMG - 75IU M W F

Sperm Analysis 26 April 24 : Conc: 3.95 million/ml . 2% Normal forms . TM : 28% PM : 6%
Frustrated at this point, but kept pushing on despite the financial burden these compounds placed on me
Sperm Analysis : 26 June 24: Conc: 2.3million/ml 2% Normal forms TM: 42% PM: %15

At this point, after nearly 6 months of blowing nearly 6-7 grand on this. I lost it. had a mini meltdown one day and decided to go against what anyone on the forums or in my life was telling me and i threw out all my shit. How could i have gone backwards in my results?? Everything, even the HCG/HMG
I was pretty pissed off, because the person i was buying the HCG/HMG off, turned out to have done an exit scam/faked HPLC testing. I suspected this from the start but i trusted the person and the process.

26/06/24 - Last Injection Test E (100mg/week)
Implemented : 5ml Black Seed Oil /Day and 800mg COQ10/Day

Sperm Analysis 17th September : Conc: 38.8 million/ml Morphology :4% TM: 57% PM: 42%

At that point i was considered in the normal range for fertility. Huge weight lifted off my shoulders. Me and the wife had a bit of a teary with the news . You don't know how hard trying for a kid is emotionally until you undertake the journey, especially when you know the decisions you made in life have impacted your chances of conceiving. Its a heavy burden to carry and can send you into a pretty dark spiral.

Sperm Analysis 06th November: Conc: 167.4 million/ml Morphology :4% TM: 65% PM: 48%

When i seen this, i nearly spat my drink out. Holy fucking shit? i am now considered super fertile. 135 days after my last injection!!

See below timeline for concentration:

Coming off TRT i was expecting the worst, but i was fine. Regular blood tests showed FSH/LH surging back into action.
FSH: 7
LH: 3
My testosterone at my last blood test was 4.9nmol (well below the 6 minimum) but i feel great. It was 1.1nmol after 30 days from my last test shot so its still an improvement. My lifts have been either stagnant or improving, which i track and measure daily. I have not lost much muscle yet, a little fullness from the muscle belly sure. Energy is good, mood is fine.

I will do another blood test next week to see how everything is bouncing back.

Summary: Trust your gut and do what you think is best, always. Don't let anyone talk you into this or that. Had i of come off when i wanted to, we probably would have conceived by now. Hopefully i can update this thread with some good news in the next few months!

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Hey all,
I have posted here previously about my fertility journey, but i thought i would summarize it here for anyone interested or looking to conceive in the near future.

Long story short:
Age: 37
Been on anabolic steroids since 2019 , test/deca/tren/dbol/anadrol etc.
TRT Dose: 100mg/week (no more blasting)
Wife & I Married 13/01/24
15/01/24 - 30/01/24 Hoping to conceive during honeymoon.
No luck with conception
February sperm analysis with YoSperm test - No visible sperm swimming
Shock and reality sets in. Have i fucked up my fertility?
Wanted to come off but was advised not to due to the "harsh negatives of doing so"
Started HMG and HCG , purchasing from varying sources
02/02/24 - Started HCG - 2500 IU M W F
28/02/24 - Started HMG - 75IU M W F

Sperm Analysis 26 April 24 : Conc: 3.95 million/ml . 2% Normal forms . TM : 28% PM : 6%
Frustrated at this point, but kept pushing on despite the financial burden these compounds placed on me
Sperm Analysis : 26 June 24: Conc: 2.3million/ml 2% Normal forms TM: 42% PM: %15

At this point, after nearly 6 months of blowing nearly 6-7 grand on this. I lost it. had a mini meltdown one day and decided to go against what anyone on the forums or in my life was telling me and i threw out all my shit. How could i have gone backwards in my results?? Everything, even the HCG/HMG
I was pretty pissed off, because the person i was buying the HCG/HMG off, turned out to have done an exit scam/faked HPLC testing. I suspected this from the start but i trusted the person and the process.

26/06/24 - Last Injection Test E (100mg/week)
Implemented : 5ml Black Seed Oil /Day and 800mg COQ10/Day

Sperm Analysis 17th September : Conc: 38.8 million/ml Morphology :4% TM: 57% PM: 42%

At that point i was considered in the normal range for fertility. Huge weight lifted off my shoulders. Me and the wife had a bit of a teary with the news . You don't know how hard trying for a kid is emotionally until you undertake the journey, especially when you know the decisions you made in life have impacted your chances of conceiving. Its a heavy burden to carry and can send you into a pretty dark spiral.

Sperm Analysis 06th November: Conc: 167.4 million/ml Morphology :4% TM: 65% PM: 48%

When i seen this, i nearly spat my drink out. Holy fucking shit? i am now considered super fertile. 135 days after my last injection!!

See below timeline for concentration:
View attachment 62289

Coming off TRT i was expecting the worst, but i was fine. Regular blood tests showed FSH/LH surging back into action.
FSH: 7
LH: 3
My testosterone at my last blood test was 4.9nmol (well below the 6 minimum) but i feel great. It was 1.1nmol after 30 days from my last test shot so its still an improvement. My lifts have been either stagnant or improving, which i track and measure daily. I have not lost much muscle yet, a little fullness from the muscle belly sure. Energy is good, mood is fine.
View attachment 62290

I will do another blood test next week to see how everything is bouncing back.

Summary: Trust your gut and do what you think is best, always. Don't let anyone talk you into this or that. Had i of come off when i wanted to, we probably would have conceived by now. Hopefully i can update this thread with some good news in the next few months!

@Adoniss87 Welcome back to the EVO family thanks for the share.

congratulations on getting what you wanted, but to be honest, very few guys can operate on such low testosterone and low free testosterone. Low testosterone like this is actually bad for your health, there is a myriad of reasons that low test is bad. Would like to see your estrogen and prolactin tests as well.
@AE1079 has views on this I think as well

 

[stevesmi]

if you would have gotten my advice you would know how i feel about this topic

i believe in coming off everything instead of throwing the kitchen sink at the issue. but i get why people would have said to take HMG and HCG. you see they think that drugs/hormones solve everything in life. and in the reality is your own body is what truly solves everything in life and when you get out of its way good things happen

 

[ceo]

Bros you need to stay off all hormones
you're going in the right direction hopefully we hear some good news from you

 

[ROIDDERS]

looks like your body is bouncing back after using steroids
hopefully you get your sperm level stronger and stronger

 

[Ulter]

looking forward to hearing some good news from you over the next few weeks
keep up the good work man

 

[chesty]

I would be loading up with herbals
look at hcgenerate it will help here

 

[e2]

good to hear that you're on the right track
your LH and FSH are bouncing thats good news

 

[2Thick]

usually FSH bouncing up like that means LH will follow
so if you test again in another 4 weeks I bet you your numbers will be even better

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

are your balls getting bigger and bigger as well?
if so then you're on the right track

 

[Wootoom]

my recommendation is get your sperm Frozen
this way if you go back on steroids later on you'll still have some available

 

[JasonPriest]

I wouldn't stress too much over something like this
if it's meant to be then it's meant to be don't let it ruin your relationship

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro I've been on the sauce for a long time and I abuse steroids
and I still got like 15 kids it can still happen don't worry

 

[Quadsweep]

the numbers don't lie
you're doing the right thing keep it going and hopefully the sperm count keeps getting better

 

[Mobster]

if you would have gotten my advice you would know how i feel about this topic

i believe in coming off everything instead of throwing the kitchen sink at the issue. but i get why people would have said to take HMG and HCG. you see they think that drugs/hormones solve everything in life. and in the reality is your own body is what truly solves everything in life and when you get out of its way good things happen

This. I've talked about knowing how impact-ful emotionally and physically it's been on people I know who have had to do this based on the abuse of AAS.

For others - you cannot med, med and med again your way out of every mess you make.

When it works, as it has here (allowing the body to heal) it can take up to TWO YEARS. For some it will never happen. Be warned.

For the OP - congrats!! Deffo update is when she gets pregnant

 

[Noah Wixx]

This will be an informational one to follow along.

 

[AE1079]

@Adoniss87 Welcome back to the EVO family thanks for the share.

congratulations on getting what you wanted, but to be honest, very few guys can operate on such low testosterone and low free testosterone. Low testosterone like this is actually bad for your health, there is a myriad of reasons that low test is bad. Would like to see your estrogen and prolactin tests as well.
@AE1079 has views on this I think as well

Difficult topic, I think it’s up to the individual and tolerance what they are willing to do in these situations.

I know there’s been cases of blokes getting their partners pregnant after one hit of HCG and HMG, others don’t for a couple of months and others years. It’s a two way thing, it’s not just us that also needs to play ball, our partners need to be in a relaxed environment also for these things to start happening.

Being low test is not fun, I have no evidence or science behind this, but have have seen men use testosterone even in the high doses running HMG and HCG after having no luck with the HMG and HCG and all of sudden, partner was pregnant. Could be something to do with free testosterone potentially, this mechanism I don’t know.

I can potentially see some use in a test prop used ED at low amounts, theoretically tricking the body that it’s producing its own and not shutting down and effecting fertility. I will be going this route myself when it’s time, along with carnitine and hgh.

Tricky subject but again it’s up to individual tolerance, I personally would stay on a low TRT dose and try my luck, if that fails then half the dose, if that fails off completely. I don’t see an issue running rHGH in this setting either.

 

[Adoniss87]

Thank you all the overwhelming responses and support! appreciate it greatly

In Response to NPC Classic see my results below 43 days after my last shot of test e

My last test which was on the 21/10/24 had my FSH at 7 and LH at 3

I will update later this week as i get a new set of bloods. I do understanding being in a low test environment is not beneficial and it may be the case that i freeze sperm now and hop on TRT if my levels have not bounced back. I did promise myself 6-12 months to give my body enough time to heal and see where my base level of test will end up.

HMG and HCG could be a great option , however here in Australia, trying to find a good source is extremely difficult. I feel i had purchased a bunk product off a seller who has now been black listed as a scammer.

I do believe for anyone trying for fertility should try coming off testosterone before throwing the kitchen sink as Steve and Mobster point out. It could have saved me a lot of money and heart ache / time wasted. However, how testosterone affects people is interindividual so i do understand people not wanting to come off and be in a very bad place.

I will update bloods later this week !

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Thank you all the overwhelming responses and support! appreciate it greatly

In Response to NPC Classic see my results below 43 days after my last shot of test e

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My last test which was on the 21/10/24 had my FSH at 7 and LH at 3

I will update later this week as i get a new set of bloods. I do understanding being in a low test environment is not beneficial and it may be the case that i freeze sperm now and hop on TRT if my levels have not bounced back. I did promise myself 6-12 months to give my body enough time to heal and see where my base level of test will end up.

HMG and HCG could be a great option , however here in Australia, trying to find a good source is extremely difficult. I feel i had purchased a bunk product off a seller who has now been black listed as a scammer.

I do believe for anyone trying for fertility should try coming off testosterone before throwing the kitchen sink as Steve and Mobster point out. It could have saved me a lot of money and heart ache / time wasted. However, how testosterone affects people is interindividual so i do understand people not wanting to come off and be in a very bad place.

I will update bloods later this week !

@Adoniss87 it would be interesting to see how you feel when you come back fully into training and dieting.
are you planning to hit it hard again? besides the bloods

 

[Adoniss87]

@Adoniss87 it would be interesting to see how you feel when you come back fully into training and dieting.
are you planning to hit it hard again? besides the bloods

Most of the changes (if any) i have noticed are in the gym. I have most definitely lost some size in muscle bellies and lost definition. Trying to control my weight is more trickier now as my caloric requirements have changed (lowered). I will update photos of what i looked like when i was on and to date (face obscured obv). I am still training as hard but i am finding my recovery is taking longer. Training hard now is more taxing on my body and has made me be more strategic with how i train and how much volume i apply to each muscle group. I did promise myself 12 months, so next June if my test is still bunk , i will jump back on TRT and do more blasts, but only after i have frozen my sperm. I may have been lucky this time, not sure if i would be this lucky to recover so quickly again...