First cycle recommandation

Dannyy · Jul 24, 2024

Personal information
Male, 33 years old. Love the podcast!

Been training naturally for about 4 years. Lifestyle, nutrition and training are on point. I don't drink alcohol. Since 2021 I have been under the guidance of an experienced coach who provides me with nutrition and training plans. Mainly hypertrophy with some deload and failure sprinkled in. Check-in every 7 days.

Bloodwork: Test = 508 ng/dl. Other values are healthy

I am a hard gainer, last clean bulk I was around 75 kg with 14% BF. Last cut, my weight went down to 65kg and 7% BF. Which is SKINNY.

Main goal
My main goal is to finish a cut at 75-80kg with 6-8% BF one day. I know it will take time but naturally it will take so much longer.

What are your first cycle recommendations for beginners?
I am not going to compete so I don't want to go all-in on health issues and side effects. Money is not a problem to do bloodwork and PCT. Health first. I am currently cutting to below 10% BF so I have a good starting point.

I am about to ask my coach for cycle advice but I would like to know your perspective first so I can compare and make the right decision

Dannyy · Jul 24, 2024

@moderators post can be deleted. I will repost it with a full journal log stats, diet, training etc

LevButlerov · Jul 24, 2024

Dannyy said:
Personal information
Male, 33 years old. Love the podcast!

Been training naturally for about 4 years. Lifestyle, nutrition and training are on point. I don't drink alcohol. Since 2021 I have been under the guidance of an experienced coach who provides me with nutrition and training plans. Mainly hypertrophy with some deload and failure sprinkled in. Check-in every 7 days.

Bloodwork: Test = 508 ng/dl. Other values are healthy

I am a hard gainer, last clean bulk I was around 75 kg with 14% BF. Last cut, my weight went down to 65kg and 7% BF. Which is SKINNY.

Main goal
My main goal is to finish a cut at 75-80kg with 6-8% BF one day. I know it will take time but naturally it will take so much longer.

What are your first cycle recommendations for beginners?
I am not going to compete so I don't want to go all-in on health issues and side effects. Money is not a problem to do bloodwork and PCT. Health first. I am currently cutting to below 10% BF so I have a good starting point.

I am about to ask my coach for cycle advice but I would like to know your perspective first so I can compare and make the right decision

Dannyy said:
@moderators post can be deleted. I will repost it with a full journal log stats, diet, training etc

ReturnOfTheMeathead · Jul 24, 2024

test is where you start. dose, there is honestly no set dose. 300 should be plenty imo. cyp and enth can be shot once weekly although some will claim twice weekly is necessary for more stable blood levels. 13 weeks then pct. for e2 control aromasin is probably the best since you don't get a rebound but it does come with sides. dose on that is blood work dependent. 2nd cycle you could maybe look into a primo or anavar.

stevesmi · Jul 24, 2024

Looking forward to following this
Make sure you get as much info up as possible

Dannyy · Jul 25, 2024

Current stats:
33 years old
Natural
5'10" (1,78m)
155 lb (70.2 kg, currently cutting to 7-8%)
11% BF
Bloodwork: Test = 508 ng/dl. Other values are healthy

General:
I am not planning to compete. I just love the bodybuilding lifestyle and the time being in the gym surrounded by like-minded people.
I have a job in administration and sit 90% of my time. Trying to maintain 7 500 - 10 000 steps a day.
I have been training consistently for 2,5 years with proper nutrition, sleep, training, lifestyle, ... and to be honest the progress I made is peanuts after a cut. I do look way better than 2,5 years ago but it doesn't match the time invested.

Training:
Been training naturally for about 5 years with some on and off periods. The last 2,5 years I am training consistently 5 x per week. I train hypertrophy with some weeks to failure and deload weeks sprinkled in (John meadows style of training)
Since 2022 I am working with an experienced coach for nutrition and training. Check-in online every 7-10 days.

Diet:
I don't drink alcohol. I only drink water. I really love water. Maybe a zero coca-cola once a month.
Bulk = 3800-4000 kcal. Currently I am cutting and alternating between 2 low (2500), 1 high (2750) day with 4 x per week 35min fasted cardio @135HR

Low-high day
Meal 1: 40-60gr oat meal, 30gr whey isolate, berries, 15gr peanut butter
Meal 2: 1 wrap, 100gr chicken breast, lettuce, 15gr peanut butter
Meal 3: 40-60gr rice/pasta, 200gr beef/chicken breast, veggies
Meal 4: 40-60gr oat meal/cor, 30gr whey isolate, banana, 15gr peanut butter
Meal 5: 80gr kellogg's coco pops, 30gr whey isolate (post) (no meal 5 on rest days)
Meal 6: 350gr low fat zero sugar yoghurt/soft cheese, apple (+ 40gr low sugar Quaker muesli on high day)

Supplements:
Pre/Intra workout: creatine 5g, Citruline 5g, Beta 5g, 30g dextrose
During the day: 3g omega 3, 5000UE vitamine D, 1g vitamine C, 400mg magnesium citrate

Sleep:
I train in the morning before I go to work. I sleep around 6-7 hours. In the weekends and on rest days sleep is about 7-8 hours

Experience:
I have no experience with steroids. I did try cardarine + RAD150 combo from january until april 2024 but I didn't notice a difference and my liver values weren't that great after 14 weeks.

What am I looking for?
1) A little edge to build more muscle mass. Sadly, I only look muscular when flexed.
2) Move heavier weights. I have been stuck for about a year now on the weights I can push on my working sets. For example I have never been able to push dumbells heavier than 65 lb (30kg) on my last set of DB flat chest press or incline DB press. If I try the 70-75 lbs DB range (32-34kg) on my last set, I can only do 1-3 reps.
3) I am not going to compete so I don't want to go all-in on health issues and side effects. 75-80kg at the end of a cut is my main goal. Last cut I had to drop my body weight until 64 kg to be at 7-8% BF.. (skinny bitch)

What would you recommend for a first cycle?
1) Should I try an oral first, for example anavar or wont that give me the muscle building and a little strength increase?
2) I am reading a lot of (heavy) acne problems on the body when going test only for a first cycle. Is this because the dose is too high? I haven't had any acne for 15 years as a natural.
3) Can I replace n2Guard with other supplements like magnesium, zinc etc? I am not able to find a source online that does delivery in The Netherlands.
4) About Aromasin. Some UGL sell it with their company name on it. Is it as safe as the one from Pfizer? Doctor's are not allowed to give prescription for any drug in The Netherlands without a cause. So I am not able to get the one from Pfizer probably

LevButlerov · Jul 25, 2024

Dannyy said:
Current stats:
33 years old
Natural
5'10" (1,78m)
155 lb (70.2 kg, currently cutting to 7-8%)
11% BF
Bloodwork: Test = 508 ng/dl. Other values are healthy

General:
I am not planning to compete. I just love the bodybuilding lifestyle and the time being in the gym surrounded by like-minded people.
I have a job in administration and sit 90% of my time. Trying to maintain 7 500 - 10 000 steps a day.
I have been training consistently for 2,5 years with proper nutrition, sleep, training, lifestyle, ... and to be honest the progress I made is peanuts after a cut. I do look way better than 2,5 years ago but it doesn't match the time invested.

Training:
Been training naturally for about 5 years with some on and off periods. The last 2,5 years I am training consistently 5 x per week. I train hypertrophy with some weeks to failure and deload weeks sprinkled in (John meadows style of training)
Since 2022 I am working with an experienced coach for nutrition and training. Check-in online every 7-10 days.

Diet:
I don't drink alcohol. I only drink water. I really love water. Maybe a zero coca-cola once a month.
Bulk = 3800-4000 kcal. Currently I am cutting and alternating between 2 low (2500), 1 high (2750) day with 4 x per week 35min fasted cardio @135HR

Low-high day
Meal 1: 40-60gr oat meal, 30gr whey isolate, berries, 15gr peanut butter
Meal 2: 1 wrap, 100gr chicken breast, lettuce, 15gr peanut butter
Meal 3: 40-60gr rice/pasta, 200gr beef/chicken breast, veggies
Meal 4: 40-60gr oat meal/cor, 30gr whey isolate, banana, 15gr peanut butter
Meal 5: 80gr kellogg's coco pops, 30gr whey isolate (post) (no meal 5 on rest days)
Meal 6: 350gr low fat zero sugar yoghurt/soft cheese, apple (+ 40gr low sugar Quaker muesli on high day)

Supplements:
Pre/Intra workout: creatine 5g, Citruline 5g, Beta 5g, 30g dextrose
During the day: 3g omega 3, 5000UE vitamine D, 1g vitamine C, 400mg magnesium citrate

Sleep:
I train in the morning before I go to work. I sleep around 6-7 hours. In the weekends and on rest days sleep is about 7-8 hours

Experience:
I have no experience with steroids. I did try cardarine + RAD150 combo from january until april 2024 but I didn't notice a difference and my liver values weren't that great after 14 weeks.

What am I looking for?
1) A little edge to build more muscle mass. Sadly, I only look muscular when flexed.
2) Move heavier weights. I have been stuck for about a year now on the weights I can push on my working sets. For example I have never been able to push dumbells heavier than 65 lb (30kg) on my last set of DB flat chest press or incline DB press. If I try the 70-75 lbs DB range (32-34kg) on my last set, I can only do 1-3 reps.
3) I am not going to compete so I don't want to go all-in on health issues and side effects. 75-80kg at the end of a cut is my main goal. Last cut I had to drop my body weight until 64 kg to be at 7-8% BF.. (skinny bitch)

What would you recommend for a first cycle?
1) Should I try an oral first, for example anavar or wont that give me the muscle building and a little strength increase?
2) I am reading a lot of (heavy) acne problems on the body when going test only for a first cycle. Is this because the dose is too high? I haven't had any acne for 15 years as a natural.
3) Can I replace n2Guard with other supplements like magnesium, zinc etc? I am not able to find a source online that does delivery in The Netherlands.
4) About Aromasin. Some UGL sell it with their company name on it. Is it as safe as the one from Pfizer? Doctor's are not allowed to give prescription for any drug in The Netherlands without a cause. So I am not able to get the one from Pfizer probably

@Dannyy you need to post this in a NEW thread like a pre-cycle log

look below please
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-cycle-recommandation.100306/post-1574861

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Pre-cycle Diet Training Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

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