Approved Log First testosterone cycle Log

[Paolo96]

Stats
Age: 29

Height: 5’9

Weight: 166 lbs

Bodyfat: I dont know my body fat % but im pretty lean.

Training: 5 years on and off

Medical: i dislocated my left shoulder in 2022 and its all cleared and good now except for tightness. It was a huge damper on my life for a time there where i couldnt gym like i wanted to for awhile, took about 2 years off and started back up again slowly.
I Also have minor lordosis that ive had my whole life.
No other medical.

Cycle history: NONE


Planned cycle:
-Test cyp 250 mg split into 2 doses of 125 mg every 3 days to see how it goes.
-Aromasin on hand just incase i need it.

PCT:
-Clomid-50mg daily
-Nolvadex-20mg daily

Diet: 2000-2,500 cal
170-200g protien
150-180 carbs
50-70g fat
Eating clean as possible no junk.

Supps
Pre workout: caffiene 300 mg
Multivitamin here and there
Fish oil
Isolate protein powder

Training:

Day 1 - Chest + Triceps

Chest

• Bench Press or Push-Ups - 3x8-12
• Incline Dumbbell Press - 3x8-12
• Chest Fly (machine or dumbbells)-3x10-12

Triceps

• Triceps Pushdowns - 3x10-12
• Overhead Triceps Extension - 3x10-12
• Bench Dips - 2x12-15

Day 2 - Back + Biceps

Back

• Lat Pulldown or Pull-Ups - 3x8-12
• Seated Cable Row - 3x10-12
• Dumbbell Row - 3x8-12

Biceps

• Barbell or Dumbbell Curl - 3×10-12
• Hammer Curls - 3x10-12
• Cable or Preacher Curls - 2x12

Day 3 - Legs

Quads & Glutes

• Squats (bodyweight or barbell) - 3x8-12
• Leg Press - 3x10-12
• Walking Lunges - 3x10 each leg

Hamstrings & Calves

• Romanian Deadlift - 3x8-12
• Leg Curl Machine - 3x10-12
• Standing Calf Raises - 4×12-20

Day 4 - Shoulders + Abs

Shoulders

• Overhead Dumbbell Press - 3x8-12
• Lateral Raises - 3x12-15
• Front Raises - 2x12
• Rear Delt Fly - 3x12-15

Abs

• Plank - 3x30-60 sec
• Hanging or Lying Leg Raises - 3x10-15
• Cable or Machine Crunch - 3x12-15

Day 5 - Full Upper Body +

Conditioning

Upper Body

• Push-Ups or Chest Press - 3x12
• Pull-Ups or Lat Pulldown - 3x10
• Dumbbell Shoulder Press - 3×10
• Face Pulls - 3x12-15

Conditioning

• Run,Swim, or Bike.
• 30-40 minutes

Weekly Schedule Example

• Mon: Chest & Triceps
• Tue: Back & Biceps
• Wed: Legs
• Thu: Shoulders & Abs
• Fri: full Upper Body and conditioning
• Sat/Sun: Rest and some conditioning

Will be getting bloodwork done soon.
I also do alot of stretching 1-2 hours everynight because of my shoulder always getting really tight and having minor lordosis in my back aswell.

 

[Paolo96]

 

[LevButlerov]

Stats
Age: 29

Height: 5’9

Weight: 166 lbs

Bodyfat: I dont know my body fat % but im pretty lean.

Training: 5 years on and off

Medical: i dislocated my left shoulder in 2022 and its all cleared and good now except for tightness. It was a huge damper on my life for a time there where i couldnt gym like i wanted to for awhile, took about 2 years off and started back up again slowly.
I Also have minor lordosis that ive had my whole life.
No other medical.

Cycle history: NONE


Planned cycle:
-Test cyp 250 mg split into 2 doses of 125 mg every 3 days to see how it goes.
-Aromasin on hand just incase i need it.

PCT:
-Clomid-50mg daily
-Nolvadex-20mg daily

Diet: 2000-2,500 cal
170-200g protien
150-180 carbs
50-70g fat
Eating clean as possible no junk.

Supps
Pre workout: caffiene 300 mg
Multivitamin here and there
Fish oil
Isolate protein powder

Training:

Day 1 - Chest + Triceps

Chest

• Bench Press or Push-Ups - 3x8-12
• Incline Dumbbell Press - 3x8-12
• Chest Fly (machine or dumbbells)-3x10-12

Triceps

• Triceps Pushdowns - 3x10-12
• Overhead Triceps Extension - 3x10-12
• Bench Dips - 2x12-15

Day 2 - Back + Biceps

Back

• Lat Pulldown or Pull-Ups - 3x8-12
• Seated Cable Row - 3x10-12
• Dumbbell Row - 3x8-12

Biceps

• Barbell or Dumbbell Curl - 3×10-12
• Hammer Curls - 3x10-12
• Cable or Preacher Curls - 2x12

Day 3 - Legs

Quads & Glutes

• Squats (bodyweight or barbell) - 3x8-12
• Leg Press - 3x10-12
• Walking Lunges - 3x10 each leg

Hamstrings & Calves

• Romanian Deadlift - 3x8-12
• Leg Curl Machine - 3x10-12
• Standing Calf Raises - 4×12-20

Day 4 - Shoulders + Abs

Shoulders

• Overhead Dumbbell Press - 3x8-12
• Lateral Raises - 3x12-15
• Front Raises - 2x12
• Rear Delt Fly - 3x12-15

Abs

• Plank - 3x30-60 sec
• Hanging or Lying Leg Raises - 3x10-15
• Cable or Machine Crunch - 3x12-15

Day 5 - Full Upper Body +

Conditioning

Upper Body

• Push-Ups or Chest Press - 3x12
• Pull-Ups or Lat Pulldown - 3x10
• Dumbbell Shoulder Press - 3×10
• Face Pulls - 3x12-15

Conditioning

• Run,Swim, or Bike.
• 30-40 minutes

Weekly Schedule Example

• Mon: Chest & Triceps
• Tue: Back & Biceps
• Wed: Legs
• Thu: Shoulders & Abs
• Fri: full Upper Body and conditioning
• Sat/Sun: Rest and some conditioning

Will be getting bloodwork done soon.
I also do alot of stretching 1-2 hours everynight because of my shoulder always getting really tight and having minor lordosis in my back aswell.

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welcome fully to the EVO family @Paolo96 happy to see more EVO Candian brothers in the house!
you look good in the pics good size, strong mass, nice shoulders, big arms THICK! perfect base. Thank you for sharing

Cycle
Test only cycle is a good start but lets dial in a bit more before you pin it.

Bloods
when were your last bloods? you mentioned soon but nothing in past? and how soon can you do new ones?

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
how much creatine do you use ed?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

did you download our eBooks?
https://irongorillas.com

thank you and share more


@BeMe @HarleyGuy @Shakey @Farmboy @wye @BritishCanadian @haldencapital

 

[wye]

Welcome to Evo fellow Canadian brother. Guys here are dope and way more knowledgeable than I could ever hope to be they’ll set you up nicely and give you all the guidance you could possibly need.

 

[Paolo96]

welcome fully to the EVO family @Paolo96 happy to see more EVO Candian brothers in the house!
you look good in the pics good size, strong mass, nice shoulders, big arms THICK! perfect base. Thank you for sharing

Cycle
Test only cycle is a good start but lets dial in a bit more before you pin it.

Bloods
when were your last bloods? you mentioned soon but nothing in past? and how soon can you do new ones?

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
how much creatine do you use ed?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

did you download our eBooks?
https://irongorillas.com

thank you and share more


@BeMe @HarleyGuy @Shakey @Farmboy @wye @BritishCanadian @haldencapital

Thanks alot for the compliments appreciate it and i havent had my blood work done in a bit here but ill be able to get it done in a week or 2 depending on my docs availabilty ill get it as soon as i can tho i have a very cool easy going doc and knows quite a bit so it helps and yes ill be sharing my diet and everything aswell and yes i take high dose vit c and i dont use creatine actually, and i drink kefir and eat kimchi for probiotics every night.

 

[Paolo96]

Welcome to Evo fellow Canadian brother. Guys here are dope and way more knowledgeable than I could ever hope to be they’ll set you up nicely and give you all the guidance you could possibly need.

Thanks alot man really appreciate it.

 

[wye]

Thanks alot for the compliments appreciate it and i havent had my blood work done in a bit here but ill be able to get it done in a week or 2 depending on my docs availabilty ill get it as soon as i can tho i have a very cool easy going doc and knows quite a bit so it helps and yes ill be sharing my diet and everything aswell and yes i take high dose vit c and i dont use creatine actually, and i drink kefir and eat kimchi for probiotics every night.

If your doc plays ball that’s good. Mine was weird about PED’s and peptides so I went around her and used teletest.ca. Signed up the night before, had requisition form the next morning and had bloodwork done two hours later.

 

[Paolo96]

Ya if this takes to long ill just do that too but if i can get it for free before hand might aswell try but ya i might just end up doing teletest

 

[Shakey]

Stats
Age: 29

Height: 5’9

Weight: 166 lbs

Bodyfat: I dont know my body fat % but im pretty lean.

Training: 5 years on and off

Medical: i dislocated my left shoulder in 2022 and its all cleared and good now except for tightness. It was a huge damper on my life for a time there where i couldnt gym like i wanted to for awhile, took about 2 years off and started back up again slowly.
I Also have minor lordosis that ive had my whole life.
No other medical.

Cycle history: NONE


Planned cycle:
-Test cyp 250 mg split into 2 doses of 125 mg every 3 days to see how it goes.
-Aromasin on hand just incase i need it.

PCT:
-Clomid-50mg daily
-Nolvadex-20mg daily

Diet: 2000-2,500 cal
170-200g protien
150-180 carbs
50-70g fat
Eating clean as possible no junk.

Supps
Pre workout: caffiene 300 mg
Multivitamin here and there
Fish oil
Isolate protein powder

Training:

Day 1 - Chest + Triceps

Chest

• Bench Press or Push-Ups - 3x8-12
• Incline Dumbbell Press - 3x8-12
• Chest Fly (machine or dumbbells)-3x10-12

Triceps

• Triceps Pushdowns - 3x10-12
• Overhead Triceps Extension - 3x10-12
• Bench Dips - 2x12-15

Day 2 - Back + Biceps

Back

• Lat Pulldown or Pull-Ups - 3x8-12
• Seated Cable Row - 3x10-12
• Dumbbell Row - 3x8-12

Biceps

• Barbell or Dumbbell Curl - 3×10-12
• Hammer Curls - 3x10-12
• Cable or Preacher Curls - 2x12

Day 3 - Legs

Quads & Glutes

• Squats (bodyweight or barbell) - 3x8-12
• Leg Press - 3x10-12
• Walking Lunges - 3x10 each leg

Hamstrings & Calves

• Romanian Deadlift - 3x8-12
• Leg Curl Machine - 3x10-12
• Standing Calf Raises - 4×12-20

Day 4 - Shoulders + Abs

Shoulders

• Overhead Dumbbell Press - 3x8-12
• Lateral Raises - 3x12-15
• Front Raises - 2x12
• Rear Delt Fly - 3x12-15

Abs

• Plank - 3x30-60 sec
• Hanging or Lying Leg Raises - 3x10-15
• Cable or Machine Crunch - 3x12-15

Day 5 - Full Upper Body +

Conditioning

Upper Body

• Push-Ups or Chest Press - 3x12
• Pull-Ups or Lat Pulldown - 3x10
• Dumbbell Shoulder Press - 3×10
• Face Pulls - 3x12-15

Conditioning

• Run,Swim, or Bike.
• 30-40 minutes

Weekly Schedule Example

• Mon: Chest & Triceps
• Tue: Back & Biceps
• Wed: Legs
• Thu: Shoulders & Abs
• Fri: full Upper Body and conditioning
• Sat/Sun: Rest and some conditioning

Will be getting bloodwork done soon.
I also do alot of stretching 1-2 hours everynight because of my shoulder always getting really tight and having minor lordosis in my back aswell.

Awesome start to your log bro. Great base to start from for sure.

If your in Ont, well they ship nation wide as well ( @wye ) , https://supplementsource.ca/ has a clearanve section with cheap prices. I get all my protein, mass gainer, creatine and preworkouts from there. Best prices ive found, so check it out if ya want.

Ya if this takes to long ill just do that too but if i can get it for free before hand might aswell try but ya i might just end up doing teletest

Yea you dont have to worry bout your doc getting penalized either. Paying the consult fee out of pocket prevents ohip(ontario not sure where your at) from claw back their coverage from your regular doc. So no worries there.



Ill be following your log bro.

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks alot for the compliments appreciate it and i havent had my blood work done in a bit here but ill be able to get it done in a week or 2 depending on my docs availabilty ill get it as soon as i can tho i have a very cool easy going doc and knows quite a bit so it helps and yes ill be sharing my diet and everything aswell and yes i take high dose vit c and i dont use creatine actually, and i drink kefir and eat kimchi for probiotics every night.

are you able to do private bloods? @Paolo96

please share actual supps dose too thanks

 

[HarleyGuy]

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Welcome officially to the EVO family and EVO logging bro! Nice start to the log I'll be following! For bodyfat I'd say your above 20% but we can get that down for sure (if you want); your base is awesome and you'll make progress fast!

Let's start with specific meals and macros, maybe write down what you eat for one day and post here for us. Diet will be a huge part of your progress.

I went around her and used teletest.ca.

Teletest.ca is awesome! Glad you were able to use it.

 

[Paolo96]

Awesome start to your log bro. Great base to start from for sure.

If your in Ont, well they ship nation wide as well ( @wye ) , https://supplementsource.ca/ has a clearanve section with cheap prices. I get all my protein, mass gainer, creatine and preworkouts from there. Best prices ive found, so check it out if ya want.

Yea you dont have to worry bout your doc getting penalized either. Paying the consult fee out of pocket prevents ohip(ontario not sure where your at) from claw back their coverage from your regular doc. So no worries there.



Ill be following your log bro.

Thanks bro and awesome sounds good ill check it out

 

[Paolo96]

are you able to do private bloods? @Paolo96

please share actual supps dose too thanks

Ya ill be able to do private bloods soon here

 

[Paolo96]

Welcome officially to the EVO family and EVO logging bro! Nice start to the log I'll be following! For bodyfat I'd say your above 20% but we can get that down for sure (if you want); your base is awesome and you'll make progress fast!

Let's start with specific meals and macros, maybe write down what you eat for one day and post here for us. Diet will be a huge part of your progress.


Teletest.ca is awesome! Glad you were able to use it.

Thanks bro and alright will do forsure

 

[Paolo96]

I actually just did a 40 hour watermelon fast just gonna end it today and start fresh with eating , reason i did that was because i “accidently” lol indulged and ate alot of junk food the last week and over ate -“ wont be doing that on cycle”- so wanted to clear my system out a bit but ya at the end of the day ill show what i eat in a day

 

[Shakey]

I actually just did a 40 hour watermelon fast just gonna end it today and start fresh with eating , reason i did that was because i “accidently” lol indulged and ate alot of junk food the last week and over ate -“ wont be doing that on cycle”- so wanted to clear my system out a bit but ya at the end of the day ill show what i eat in a day

Ah yes, i "accidently" fell mouth first into a plate of freshly microwaved taquitos yesterday. Terrible tragedy it was.

Side note, as a child i was allergic to watermelon. Can you just imagine the soccer moms bringin watermelon for the soccer games and i had to just watch from the side. I have a fiery hatred for watermelons for the trauma they caused me.

 

[LevButlerov]

Ya ill be able to do private bloods soon here

perfect

 

[LevButlerov]

I actually just did a 40 hour watermelon fast just gonna end it today and start fresh with eating , reason i did that was because i “accidently” lol indulged and ate alot of junk food the last week and over ate -“ wont be doing that on cycle”- so wanted to clear my system out a bit but ya at the end of the day ill show what i eat in a day

There is no such thing as a watermelon fast @Paolo96 fast means no food

 

[Paolo96]

There is no such thing as a watermelon fast @Paolo96 fast means no food

I know right haha well whatever u wanna call it llolol

 

[Paolo96]

Today didnt eat all day i fasted, gettin my diet back on track now finally lol had my first meal at 5 pm had 3 huge slices of meatloaf a cup and half of mashed potatoes a cup n half of cauliflower and a cup of salad with sliced yellow peppers olives tomatoes onions feta cheese and cucumber. And had a 1000mg vitamin c multivitamin ener c drink amd will have a protien shake later tonight and a grapefruit. But ya thats way dif from my usual diet which is always usually fasted workout untill 1 pm and than i have 4 eggs an avocado a grapefruit and a banana and than a protien shake with milk at around 3 pm and than for dinner usually always a blue rare grass fed new york steak or roast chicken or fish with sweet potatoes or normal potatoes or rice and asparagus or broccoli or another veggie and random salads in the mix and and i always get grass fed beef liver atleast once a week and sometimes eat it raw and than i might have another protien shake before bed sometimes but always have kefir or kimchi before bed and i drink lots and lots of water and i juice all my juices either grapefruit juice or orange juice dont drink store bought juices almost ever when im dialed in on my diet. I stay away from all seed oils and only use olive oil or beef tallow or butter to cook with aswell and everything is organic or from the butcher not supermarkets except the fruits n veggies but all meat is from local butcher and ya sometimes i also do alot of carnivore diets here and there aswell. I follow carnivoremd/paul saladino and his diet if u know him from youtube or instagram at all.

 

[Shakey]

i always get grass fed beef liver atleast once a week and sometimes eat it raw

canadian liver king eh? Just dont get those ab implants he got.

 

[BeMe]

Stats
Age: 29

Height: 5’9

Weight: 166 lbs

Bodyfat: I dont know my body fat % but im pretty lean.

Training: 5 years on and off

Medical: i dislocated my left shoulder in 2022 and its all cleared and good now except for tightness. It was a huge damper on my life for a time there where i couldnt gym like i wanted to for awhile, took about 2 years off and started back up again slowly.
I Also have minor lordosis that ive had my whole life.
No other medical.

Cycle history: NONE


Planned cycle:
-Test cyp 250 mg split into 2 doses of 125 mg every 3 days to see how it goes.
-Aromasin on hand just incase i need it.

PCT:
-Clomid-50mg daily
-Nolvadex-20mg daily

Diet: 2000-2,500 cal
170-200g protien
150-180 carbs
50-70g fat
Eating clean as possible no junk.

Supps
Pre workout: caffiene 300 mg
Multivitamin here and there
Fish oil
Isolate protein powder

Training:

Day 1 - Chest + Triceps

Chest

• Bench Press or Push-Ups - 3x8-12
• Incline Dumbbell Press - 3x8-12
• Chest Fly (machine or dumbbells)-3x10-12

Triceps

• Triceps Pushdowns - 3x10-12
• Overhead Triceps Extension - 3x10-12
• Bench Dips - 2x12-15

Day 2 - Back + Biceps

Back

• Lat Pulldown or Pull-Ups - 3x8-12
• Seated Cable Row - 3x10-12
• Dumbbell Row - 3x8-12

Biceps

• Barbell or Dumbbell Curl - 3×10-12
• Hammer Curls - 3x10-12
• Cable or Preacher Curls - 2x12

Day 3 - Legs

Quads & Glutes

• Squats (bodyweight or barbell) - 3x8-12
• Leg Press - 3x10-12
• Walking Lunges - 3x10 each leg

Hamstrings & Calves

• Romanian Deadlift - 3x8-12
• Leg Curl Machine - 3x10-12
• Standing Calf Raises - 4×12-20

Day 4 - Shoulders + Abs

Shoulders

• Overhead Dumbbell Press - 3x8-12
• Lateral Raises - 3x12-15
• Front Raises - 2x12
• Rear Delt Fly - 3x12-15

Abs

• Plank - 3x30-60 sec
• Hanging or Lying Leg Raises - 3x10-15
• Cable or Machine Crunch - 3x12-15

Day 5 - Full Upper Body +

Conditioning

Upper Body

• Push-Ups or Chest Press - 3x12
• Pull-Ups or Lat Pulldown - 3x10
• Dumbbell Shoulder Press - 3×10
• Face Pulls - 3x12-15

Conditioning

• Run,Swim, or Bike.
• 30-40 minutes

Weekly Schedule Example

• Mon: Chest & Triceps
• Tue: Back & Biceps
• Wed: Legs
• Thu: Shoulders & Abs
• Fri: full Upper Body and conditioning
• Sat/Sun: Rest and some conditioning

Will be getting bloodwork done soon.
I also do alot of stretching 1-2 hours everynight because of my shoulder always getting really tight and having minor lordosis in my back aswell.

Great start to the log bro! Lots of good info. As a fellow shoulder dislocation survivor I recommend avoiding the two overhead presses you got programmed. Your front delts will get a ton of work from your other presses and those movements are really risky for guys like us.

Did you get the surgery to repair your shoulder? I fully dislocated mine 3 times before I finally went under the knife. The third time I was rolling over in bed to get busy with my GF and it popped fully out lol. That was the last straw

 

[LevButlerov]

I know right haha well whatever u wanna call it llolol

we call it drinking water melon juice for a few days LOL @Paolo96

 

[LevButlerov]

Today didnt eat all day i fasted, gettin my diet back on track now finally lol had my first meal at 5 pm had 3 huge slices of meatloaf a cup and half of mashed potatoes a cup n half of cauliflower and a cup of salad with sliced yellow peppers olives tomatoes onions feta cheese and cucumber. And had a 1000mg vitamin c multivitamin ener c drink amd will have a protien shake later tonight and a grapefruit. But ya thats way dif from my usual diet which is always usually fasted workout untill 1 pm and than i have 4 eggs an avocado a grapefruit and a banana and than a protien shake with milk at around 3 pm and than for dinner usually always a blue rare grass fed new york steak or roast chicken or fish with sweet potatoes or normal potatoes or rice and asparagus or broccoli or another veggie and random salads in the mix and and i always get grass fed beef liver atleast once a week and sometimes eat it raw and than i might have another protien shake before bed sometimes but always have kefir or kimchi before bed and i drink lots and lots of water and i juice all my juices either grapefruit juice or orange juice dont drink store bought juices almost ever when im dialed in on my diet. I stay away from all seed oils and only use olive oil or beef tallow or butter to cook with aswell and everything is organic or from the butcher not supermarkets except the fruits n veggies but all meat is from local butcher and ya sometimes i also do alot of carnivore diets here and there aswell. I follow carnivoremd/paul saladino and his diet if u know him from youtube or instagram at all.

fasted? you mean OMAD here @Paolo96 did you track the calories after?
and mashed potatoes not the best to open the fast with, we really need to discuss your fasting plan
check this 10 day fast @stevesmi did
https://www.evolutionary.org/10-day-water-fast/

 

[Paolo96]

Great start to the log bro! Lots of good info. As a fellow shoulder dislocation survivor I recommend avoiding the two overhead presses you got programmed. Your front delts will get a ton of work from your other presses and those movements are really risky for guys like us.

Did you get the surgery to repair your shoulder? I fully dislocated mine 3 times before I finally went under the knife. The third time I was rolling over in bed to get busy with my GF and it popped fully out lol. That was the last straw

Thanks bro and ya exactly and no surgery luckily ive been good for 4 years now im lucky didnt tear my labrum or anything had an mri and everythings good luckily , i dislocated it once in 2022

 

[Paolo96]

fasted? you mean OMAD here @Paolo96 did you track the calories after?
and mashed potatoes not the best to open the fast with, we really need to discuss your fasting plan
check this 10 day fast @stevesmi did
https://www.evolutionary.org/10-day-water-fast/

Dont track my calories that often but ill start doing that forsure and ok sounds good

 

[Paolo96]

So ive been studying alot of different cycles and everything and now im on a 2 sided road here , what do u guys think for my first cycle to test the waters out and see how i react if at first before i start testosterone cyp 250 mg if i do an oral to start like dianobol/dbol only cycle for 4 weeks at 20 mg a day with aromasin on hand just incase and a clomid only pct or clomid and nolvadex pct , What are your guys thoughts on dbol only cycle to see how things go ?

 

[LevButlerov]

Dont track my calories that often but ill start doing that forsure and ok sounds good

get myfitnesspal lets start trying to track @Paolo96 not calories but macros protein/fat/carbs

 

[LevButlerov]

So ive been studying alot of different cycles and everything and now im on a 2 sided road here , what do u guys think for my first cycle to test the waters out and see how i react if at first before i start testosterone cyp 250 mg if i do an oral to start like dianobol/dbol only cycle for 4 weeks at 20 mg a day with aromasin on hand just incase and a clomid only pct or clomid and nolvadex pct , What are your guys thoughts on dbol only cycle to see how things go ?

I think before 1st cycle we need more food training details, we haven't been able to see what you eat or how you train deep or supp intake @Paolo96

 

[Paolo96]

I think before 1st cycle we need more food training details, we haven't been able to see what you eat or how you train deep or supp intake @Paolo96

yes i will get to the deeper training and more in depth eating and calories when i have more time and for supps i take total war preworkout 1 scoop and take naked whey isolate protein powder and fish oils and 1000 mg vit c multivitamin. and im not starting cycle yet im just asking a question on what anyone may think of a dbol only cycle for first time ?

 

[LevButlerov]

yes i will get to the deeper training and more in depth eating and calories when i have more time and for supps i take total war preworkout 1 scoop and take naked whey isolate protein powder and fish oils and 1000 mg vit c multivitamin. and im not starting cycle yet im just asking a question on what anyone may think of a dbol only cycle for first time ?

the issue is these are 1 off posts we need actual details get myfitnesspal and heavy app lets start training first @Paolo96
dbol only cycle bad idea

 

[Paolo96]

the issue is these are 1 off posts we need actual details get myfitnesspal and heavy app lets start training first @Paolo96
dbol only cycle bad idea

What do u mean 1 off posts exactly? i didnt know i was supposed to be posting a certain way ? I dont have all the time in the world to post every single thing i do lol it gets pretty overwhelming if i were to do that . and yes ive been training for 5 years had 2 years of recovery from a dislocated shoulder back in 2022 but yes ive been training .. and ya ill get my calories and food and all that of what i eat and work out some days out of the week forsure . And im using this site to log some of what i do and also to learn about cycles so my main gaol here is learning the best way to cycle and if dbol only cycle is ok for forst time to test the waters out , why is dbol only cycle for first time bad ?

 

[LevButlerov]

What do u mean 1 off posts exactly? i didnt know i was supposed to be posting a certain way ? I dont have all the time in the world to post every single thing i do lol it gets pretty overwhelming if i were to do that . and yes ive been training for 5 years had 2 years of recovery from a dislocated shoulder back in 2022 but yes ive been training .. and ya ill get my calories and food and all that of what i eat and work out some days out of the week forsure . And im using this site to log some of what i do and also to learn about cycles so my main gaol here is learning the best way to cycle and if dbol only cycle is ok for forst time to test the waters out , why is dbol only cycle for first time bad ?

Here is the issue I'll explain

for supps i take total war preworkout 1 scoop and take naked whey isolate protein powder and fish oils and 1000 mg vit c multivitamin.

like this, whey iso like how much? and what else? creatine? digestive aids?
same question on foods @Paolo96

 

[Paolo96]

Here is the issue I'll explain

like this, whey iso like how much? and what else? creatine? digestive aids?
same question on foods @Paolo96

For whey iso i take 2 scoops which would be 50 grams protien and at night sometimes i take one scoop before bed aswell which would be 25 grams so all together 50-75 grams of my protien comes from the whey iso rest from meat and No creatine and i take kefir before bed for a digestive aid.

 

[Paolo96]

the issue is these are 1 off posts we need actual details get myfitnesspal and heavy app lets start training first @Paolo96
dbol only cycle bad idea

Why is dbol only cycle bad ? If i were to do 20 mg a day for 4-5 weeks with aromasin on hand just incase and have nolvadex and clomid for pct after . And like i said just to see how i react and to test things out

 

[Paolo96]

But ya just in a predicament of choosing to either do test cyp 250mg a week for about 12 weeks or do a dbol only cycle 20 mg a day for 4 weeks . Im just wanted to test the waters here wirhout to much damage on my hormones and estrogen and everything and see how my body reacts and everything before i go full on with gear so whatever u may think is a good start would help alot thanks. Im leaning towards the dbol as a beginning cycle now but still dont know seeing lots of different opinions on dbol only cycle no clear answers.

 

[BritishCanadian]

Keep the pct on hand, you may need to come off whatever cycle you choose for a variety of reasons.

There is no tipping the toes in the water with this stuff.

You want to do 4 weeks because you are afraid, and rightly so.

But 4 weeks is all risk, no reward.

Put your plans on hold, read the logs, listen to the podcast, learn from others mistakes.

 

[Paolo96]

Keep the pct on hand, you may need to come off whatever cycle you choose for a variety of reasons.

There is no tipping the toes in the water with this stuff.

You want to do 4 weeks because you are afraid, and rightly so.

But 4 weeks is all risk, no reward.

Put your plans on hold, read the logs, listen to the podcast, learn from others mistakes.

Ya i have alot to think about and alot more to study ill most likely just stick with the test cyp 250 to start with , im not planning to start my cycle yet im still making sure everything is in check and still need my bloodwork done.

 

[Paolo96]

Ill always have clomid , nolvadex and aromasin on hand

 

[Paolo96]

Keep the pct on hand, you may need to come off whatever cycle you choose for a variety of reasons.

There is no tipping the toes in the water with this stuff.

You want to do 4 weeks because you are afraid, and rightly so.

But 4 weeks is all risk, no reward.

Put your plans on hold, read the logs, listen to the podcast, learn from others mistakes.

And why is 4 weeks of dbol all risk no reward with the right pct ?

 

[LevButlerov]

Why is dbol only cycle bad ? If i were to do 20 mg a day for 4-5 weeks with aromasin on hand just incase and have nolvadex and clomid for pct after . And like i said just to see how i react and to test things out

you'll crash test and get low results and bloat from it @Paolo96

But ya just in a predicament of choosing to either do test cyp 250mg a week for about 12 weeks or do a dbol only cycle 20 mg a day for 4 weeks . Im just wanted to test the waters here wirhout to much damage on my hormones and estrogen and everything and see how my body reacts and everything before i go full on with gear so whatever u may think is a good start would help alot thanks. Im leaning towards the dbol as a beginning cycle now but still dont know seeing lots of different opinions on dbol only cycle no clear answers.

if we do a cycle, test only but lets talk more after you start updating log

 

[LevButlerov]

For whey iso i take 2 scoops which would be 50 grams protien and at night sometimes i take one scoop before bed aswell which would be 25 grams so all together 50-75 grams of my protien comes from the whey iso rest from meat and No creatine and i take kefir before bed for a digestive aid.

please use myfitnesspal and log all day thanks @Paolo96

 

[BritishCanadian]

And why is 4 weeks of dbol all risk no reward with the right pct ?

Because if you are going to do something, you may as well do it right and maximize the upsides.

Others will be able to guide you better, but you'll never see anyone recommend an ideal first cycle as "4 weeks dbol".

The whole point of a place like this is to learn best practices, how to minimize risk/how to maximize reward.

 

[Paolo96]

you'll crash test and get low results and bloat from it @Paolo96

if we do a cycle, test only but lets talk more after you start updating log

I understand if i do dbol and after im done it for 4 weeks ill crash my test if i dont do a pct ? But if i do nolvadex and clomid i wont completely crash my test after right ? And same goes if i was on testosterone after i come off ill crash my test aswell unless i do pct same goes for it and the thing is that im reading with dbol cause of its short half life u return to normal hormone levels alot quicker than with testoerone cyp it takes alot longer to return to normal hormone levels because of the long half life of test . So idk what the difference is except with the test ull keep more muslce on because dbol is alot of water wieght ull lose i alot more after cycle but other than that i dont see how testoterone cyp wouldnt crash my test more than dbol would after i stop ? And i saw a study that shows dbol doesnt completely shut down ur testosterone like test does because of the stronger synthetic estrogen it makes instead of it being actual estradiol from test cyp and that it doesnt aromatize as much as test cyp and less hairloss and less gyno on low does dbol than testosterone cyp. im not planning to do test forever and only for short period of time thats why i wanna get a boost from dbol instead of doing a long run on test and messing up my hormones more with that .. ?
And i can always do test cyp when i wanna go on a longer run ? But to try things out idk why dbol would be bad with armosin on hand and a good pct after it ?

 

[Paolo96]

Because if you are going to do something, you may as well do it right and maximize the upsides.

Others will be able to guide you better, but you'll never see anyone recommend an ideal first cycle as "4 weeks dbol".

The whole point of a place like this is to learn best practices, how to minimize risk/how to maximize reward.

Ya im not saying dbol first cycle is ideal everyone is looking for something different of course the more ideal way is to do testosterone first and u keep more gains and have a smoother ride because ur on it longer and u keep more of the muscle but i just think after i come off the test after 12 weeks my hormones will be more out of wack than dbol 4 weeks and sure i might lose alot after the cycle with dbol but ill keep some too but atleast with the short half life i can return to normal test levels alot quicker than with testosterone cyp cause of the half life of it and less likely gyno and less likely hairloss and side effects with low does dbol. So ya still alot more studying. Only thing with dbol is the liver toxicity but on low dose of 15-20 mg eating healthy and healthy bloods that will be fine . But ya in a predicament of test first cycle to try things out or dbol first cycle to try things out .

 

[LevButlerov]

I understand if i do dbol and after im done it for 4 weeks ill crash my test if i dont do a pct ? But if i do nolvadex and clomid i wont completely crash my test after right ? And same goes if i was on testosterone after i come off ill crash my test aswell unless i do pct same goes for it and the thing is that im reading with dbol cause of its short half life u return to normal hormone levels alot quicker than with testoerone cyp it takes alot longer to return to normal hormone levels because of the long half life of test . So idk what the difference is except with the test ull keep more muslce on because dbol is alot of water wieght ull lose i alot more after cycle but other than that i dont see how testoterone cyp wouldnt crash my test more than dbol would after i stop ? And i saw a study that shows dbol doesnt completely shut down ur testosterone like test does because of the stronger synthetic estrogen it makes instead of it being actual estradiol from test cyp and that it doesnt aromatize as much as test cyp and less hairloss and less gyno on low does dbol than testosterone cyp. im not planning to do test forever and only for short period of time thats why i wanna get a boost from dbol instead of doing a long run on test and messing up my hormones more with that .. ?
And i can always do test cyp when i wanna go on a longer run ? But to try things out idk why dbol would be bad with armosin on hand and a good pct after it ?

It's not about normal test crashing it has other sides like gyno and bp etc, and you've never done PCT you don't realize how bad it is. @Paolo96 I think in your case the issue here is the big lack of updates.
since you started the log I can respect we talk cycles, fair but you haven't done even 1 week of full training diet supplement updates. would you agree from our angle it looks like you're not ready for a cycle? think about it.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer
@waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67 @codezz @Yuri
@MarkNV @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy @Shakey @Eveflorence @LH5515

 

[Grumpy]

We definitely need to see some more updates training diet etc etc

 

[Shakey]

I understand if i do dbol and after im done it for 4 weeks ill crash my test if i dont do a pct ? But if i do nolvadex and clomid i wont completely crash my test after right ? And same goes if i was on testosterone after i come off ill crash my test aswell unless i do pct same goes for it and the thing is that im reading with dbol cause of its short half life u return to normal hormone levels alot quicker than with testoerone cyp it takes alot longer to return to normal hormone levels because of the long half life of test . So idk what the difference is except with the test ull keep more muslce on because dbol is alot of water wieght ull lose i alot more after cycle but other than that i dont see how testoterone cyp wouldnt crash my test more than dbol would after i stop ? And i saw a study that shows dbol doesnt completely shut down ur testosterone like test does because of the stronger synthetic estrogen it makes instead of it being actual estradiol from test cyp and that it doesnt aromatize as much as test cyp and less hairloss and less gyno on low does dbol than testosterone cyp. im not planning to do test forever and only for short period of time thats why i wanna get a boost from dbol instead of doing a long run on test and messing up my hormones more with that .. ?
And i can always do test cyp when i wanna go on a longer run ? But to try things out idk why dbol would be bad with armosin on hand and a good pct after it ?

I want to clarify a few things bro. Both injectable and oral steroids suppress your natural testosterone. And that doesnt mean after the cycle, its during cycle. Both dbol and test c shut down your natural test production. Both will stop it During the cycle.

Running test c suppresses your natural test but it also replaces it. This makes for a simple cycle.

Running dbol will provide the anabolic effects it does but will suppress your natural test immediately just like test c would do but without replacement it "crashes" very low. If it didnt crash your test, pct wouldnt be needed as pcts job is to restart your test.

With dbol only, youll get low libido and shitty mood the whole time as well as low results as your test production will be suppressed, just as much as test c would.

When @LevButlerov said dbol will crash your test, crashing means your test drops significantly low. We dont apply "crashing" to running test because you are replacing your natural test with more test, therefore your test doesnt lower or "crash".

On to the estrogen stuff
Estrogen is an umbrella term for a few hormones. Both estradiol and methylestradiol are both e2 estrogens. Dbol is a higher gyno risk as it aromatizes into methylestradiol which, although a modified synthetic, is an actual estradiol and is more potent than estradiol.

There are no estrogens that prevent your test from shutting down or being suppressed. Thats simply untrue.

On to PCT
The purpose of PCT is to restart the natural production of test and there is no anabolic‑androgenic steroid that does not suppress your natural test production. Therefore clomid and/or nolvadex will be needed for both compounds.

Hormonal recovery
Yes dbol does have a shorter half life, but that just means you can start pct earlier.
Dbol half life is 1-2days, you can start 4weeks of pct immediately and will have natural test near baseline between 4-8weeks.

Test c, half life of 6-8 days. You start pct around 2 weeks. 4-6 weeks of pct and youll be near baseline between 6-10 weeks.

Both compounds are in a similar range for hormone levels returning. When looking at the half life of injectable compounds, you must look at the ester of the compound. The different test ester half lives for example can range from 1-2 days to 4 weeks.

Hairloss
Both compounds have a risk of hair thining or loss. At 250mg of test, you are barely higher than trt+, hair loss risk is low unless your are genetically prone to balding. Dbol is strongly androgenic which would probably have a higher hair loss risk than test c when duration is taken into account. Someone else might be better informed on the hair loss side so correct me if im wrong anyone?

Side effects
Dbol only will crash your test, maybe not zero but be prepared for fatigue, low libido/erectile issues, mood swings. Risk of gyno and elevated BP as stated by @LevButlerov . A dbol only cycle is asking for side effects in a trade for gains that you lose after cycle.

Bro, at the end of the day just as @BritishCanadian said, if your shopping for someone to give you the go ahead on a Dbol only cycle, you wont find one here. There are several of us advising against a dbol only cycle in favour of your other, safer option. As for "how your body will react", both those compounds achieve different things, so seeing how you react on dbol and applying that theoretically to test c will not work.

It seems like youve already decided you want dbol and your looking for atleast 1 person to agree. Im not trying to be rude but me and every person on here wants you to be prepped and informed fully before going on cycle.

@LevButlerov's advise to try out MyFitnessPal is also top notch. Give it a try. Lets get you dialed in and and we can figure out a good cycle plan.

 

[Grumpy]

Great explanation

 

[Dreamer]

Dbol only is a waste, you will get all the negatives and then some for minimal gain.
If oral only cycles worked, do you think people would be willingly injecting themselves? Please take the advice from Vets here

 

[rizzlekdizzle]

great advice from @Shakey

 

[HarleyGuy]

Ya im not saying dbol first cycle is ideal everyone is looking for something different of course the more ideal way is to do testosterone first and u keep more gains and have a smoother ride because ur on it longer and u keep more of the muscle but i just think after i come off the test after 12 weeks my hormones will be more out of wack than dbol 4 weeks and sure i might lose alot after the cycle with dbol but ill keep some too but atleast with the short half life i can return to normal test levels alot quicker than with testosterone cyp cause of the half life of it and less likely gyno and less likely hairloss and side effects with low does dbol. So ya still alot more studying. Only thing with dbol is the liver toxicity but on low dose of 15-20 mg eating healthy and healthy bloods that will be fine . But ya in a predicament of test first cycle to try things out or dbol first cycle to try things out .

@Paolo96 man I'm at a loss with you at this point. I have the longest DM going with you so far of anyone in March besides maybe two other members and all of it is trying to explain to you what @Shakey and @LevButlerov said above. Are you DM'ing them too because now I'm wondering if you're answer shopping to get someone to tell you to do dbol only. No one will. Like I said in my DM's, you should not. I even sent you the podcast on oral only cycles which you said you'd listen to. With what you're planning to do it is very unorthodox (the word I used in our DM's) and potentially unsafe so, again, my recommendation is baseline bloodwork, then Test (with dbol only as a kickstarter if you're hell bent on dbol) along with a conservative dose of aromasin, bloodwork mid cycle then bloodwork 4 weeks post cycle after learning a lot about PCT if you're not going to do self TRT. We have no idea what kind of aromatizer you are so starting off with dbol only is the last thing I'd do.

If I seem short at this point it's because you seem to have your mind set on dbol only and I don't want to see you do that and we'd also need a lot more info on your diet, training and supplements all with macros and doses etc because diet and supplements can either mitigate or worsen what dbol will undoubtedly do.

I would take this 'pushback' you're getting as a compliment and not get defensive because you have a great base physique and maybe great bloodwork and I'd hate to see either of them ruined because you may be afraid to inject yourself IM and want to hold that off, this can be the only reason in my mind as it makes no scientific sense otherwise. I would also take this pushback you see on your log as a sign that something is off regarding your ideas and let the pushback speak for itself if you trust us.

 

[BeMe]

Thanks bro and ya exactly and no surgery luckily ive been good for 4 years now im lucky didnt tear my labrum or anything had an mri and everythings good luckily , i dislocated it once in 2022

Oh that's great news. At your age with good physio no reason it can't get back to 100%

I'd still be really careful with the overhead stuff

 

[waggat]

Ya im not saying dbol first cycle is ideal everyone is looking for something different of course the more ideal way is to do testosterone first and u keep more gains and have a smoother ride because ur on it longer and u keep more of the muscle but i just think after i come off the test after 12 weeks my hormones will be more out of wack than dbol 4 weeks and sure i might lose alot after the cycle with dbol but ill keep some too but atleast with the short half life i can return to normal test levels alot quicker than with testosterone cyp cause of the half life of it and less likely gyno and less likely hairloss and side effects with low does dbol. So ya still alot more studying. Only thing with dbol is the liver toxicity but on low dose of 15-20 mg eating healthy and healthy bloods that will be fine . But ya in a predicament of test first cycle to try things out or dbol first cycle to try things out .

Hey mate, best to try and follow everyones advice. They really do want the best for you. In this case that means understanding your situation so they can help you plan and then provide support during the cycle. That can't be done without knowing exactly what you are doing now. It's also critical for making sure you get the most out of the cycle, doing a cycle with diet and training sorted is kind of pointless.

 

[Trenhead3cc]

I’m a bit lost with all your posts .

As someone years ago when late 20s did three cycles and full pct. Before 5 years off gear then now cruise and blast

I didn’t like the PCT. And long run I think it still fucks with you abit. Physically and mentally. Growing then losing 1/2 your gains after pct.

I would think you seriously need to consider this as a life choice. Blast and cruise. Don’t do orals only it’s dumb.

 

[LevButlerov]

I want to clarify a few things bro. Both injectable and oral steroids suppress your natural testosterone. And that doesnt mean after the cycle, its during cycle. Both dbol and test c shut down your natural test production. Both will stop it During the cycle.

Running test c suppresses your natural test but it also replaces it. This makes for a simple cycle.

Running dbol will provide the anabolic effects it does but will suppress your natural test immediately just like test c would do but without replacement it "crashes" very low. If it didnt crash your test, pct wouldnt be needed as pcts job is to restart your test.

With dbol only, youll get low libido and shitty mood the whole time as well as low results as your test production will be suppressed, just as much as test c would.

When @LevButlerov said dbol will crash your test, crashing means your test drops significantly low. We dont apply "crashing" to running test because you are replacing your natural test with more test, therefore your test doesnt lower or "crash".

On to the estrogen stuff
Estrogen is an umbrella term for a few hormones. Both estradiol and methylestradiol are both e2 estrogens. Dbol is a higher gyno risk as it aromatizes into methylestradiol which, although a modified synthetic, is an actual estradiol and is more potent than estradiol.

There are no estrogens that prevent your test from shutting down or being suppressed. Thats simply untrue.

On to PCT
The purpose of PCT is to restart the natural production of test and there is no anabolic‑androgenic steroid that does not suppress your natural test production. Therefore clomid and/or nolvadex will be needed for both compounds.

Hormonal recovery
Yes dbol does have a shorter half life, but that just means you can start pct earlier.
Dbol half life is 1-2days, you can start 4weeks of pct immediately and will have natural test near baseline between 4-8weeks.

Test c, half life of 6-8 days. You start pct around 2 weeks. 4-6 weeks of pct and youll be near baseline between 6-10 weeks.

Both compounds are in a similar range for hormone levels returning. When looking at the half life of injectable compounds, you must look at the ester of the compound. The different test ester half lives for example can range from 1-2 days to 4 weeks.

Hairloss
Both compounds have a risk of hair thining or loss. At 250mg of test, you are barely higher than trt+, hair loss risk is low unless your are genetically prone to balding. Dbol is strongly androgenic which would probably have a higher hair loss risk than test c when duration is taken into account. Someone else might be better informed on the hair loss side so correct me if im wrong anyone?

Side effects
Dbol only will crash your test, maybe not zero but be prepared for fatigue, low libido/erectile issues, mood swings. Risk of gyno and elevated BP as stated by @LevButlerov . A dbol only cycle is asking for side effects in a trade for gains that you lose after cycle.

Bro, at the end of the day just as @BritishCanadian said, if your shopping for someone to give you the go ahead on a Dbol only cycle, you wont find one here. There are several of us advising against a dbol only cycle in favour of your other, safer option. As for "how your body will react", both those compounds achieve different things, so seeing how you react on dbol and applying that theoretically to test c will not work.

It seems like youve already decided you want dbol and your looking for atleast 1 person to agree. Im not trying to be rude but me and every person on here wants you to be prepped and informed fully before going on cycle.

@LevButlerov's advise to try out MyFitnessPal is also top notch. Give it a try. Lets get you dialed in and and we can figure out a good cycle plan.

well said @Shakey

 

[Paolo96]

Ya i will just run a test only 250 mg a week when i start a cycle but not starting a cycle anytime soon here gonna wait it out a couple more months or so. I dont see that much wrong with doing a dbol only cycle of 15 mg for 4 weeks but at the same time does make more sense to run the test first. I dont want to be on this the rest of my life just want to get a few extra pounds of gains on me and than come off for good also losing some in the process but keeping more than i would naturally.

 

[Shakey]

Ya i will just run a test only 250 mg a week when i start a cycle but not starting a cycle anytime soon here gonna wait it out a couple more months or so. I dont see that much wrong with doing a dbol only cycle of 15 mg for 4 weeks but at the same time does make more sense to run the test first. I dont want to be on this the rest of my life just want to get a few extra pounds of gains on me and than come off for good also losing some in the process but keeping more than i would naturally.

Not continuing with more cycles is fine as well, some guys run the odd one once a year. Nothing long nor repeats in the year. Youll keep your gains better after the test cycle.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I dont want to be on this the rest of my life just want to get a few extra pounds of gains on me and than come off for good also losing some in the process but keeping more than i would naturally.

This whole goal is confusing. I think you're afraid to pin IM and want to take what you think is the easy route out via an oral only cycle, and now it's down to 15mg of dbol only, that too will still shut you down.

The goal you stated above can be done with your natural test, food and cardio.

I dont see that much wrong with doing a dbol only cycle

After everything you've been advised, including listening to the oral only podcast I sent you in DM's, can you explain what you "don't see that much wrong" in this? You are still answer shopping and that's fine but I'd prefer you just state that you are going to do a dbol only cycle and let us guide you with that, get your bloodwork, prepare the supps, diet, training and we'll do our best with both PCT and to keep your HPTA and bloodwork in check if you can take better guidance on dbol only than you have with what we're suggesting you do without orals.

 

[Paolo96]

This whole goal is confusing. I think you're afraid to pin IM and want to take what you think is the easy route out via an oral only cycle, and now it's down to 15mg of dbol only, that too will still shut you down.

The goal you stated above can be done with your natural test, food and cardio.


After everything you've been advised, including listening to the oral only podcast I sent you in DM's, can you explain what you "don't see that much wrong" in this? You are still answer shopping and that's fine but I'd prefer you just state that you are going to do a dbol only cycle and let us guide you with that, get your bloodwork, prepare the supps, diet, training and we'll do our best with both PCT and to keep your HPTA and bloodwork in check if you can take better guidance on dbol only than you have with what we're suggesting you do without orals.

how is going on test to gain extra muscle at faster rate than i would naturally be confusing exactly? So ur saying i have to be on test the rest of my life ? I cant just cycle test for awhile here and there to gain a few extra pounds of muscle ? so i should just stay natural and ill get same results, that's kinda confusing to me ? And its not down to 15 mg dbol.. im just stating a point i never said i was ever going to do a dbol only cycle .. just was leaning on that for a bit .Im not afriad to pin at all , like i said i decided to do a test only cycle for my first cycle now i never said i was ever going to do a dbol only cycle i was only asking questions the whole time and pointing out things i learned on the internet but after researching i came to realize a dbol only cycle is kinda waste of time because of the loss afterwards and fucking up my hormones just to save a tiny bit of gains isnt worth it only reason i was thinking of a dbol only cycle was because of the rapid gains but ya not worth the loss. im going to do a test only cycle for 8-12 weeks in a month or 2 here and of course get my bloodwork done before hand and everything .

 

[HarleyGuy]

how is going on test to gain extra muscle at faster rate than i would naturally be confusing exactly? So ur saying i have to be on test the rest of my life ? I cant just cycle test for awhile here and there to gain a few extra pounds of muscle ? so i should just stay natural and ill get same results, that's kinda confusing to me ? And its not down to 15 mg dbol.. im just stating a point i never said i was ever going to do a dbol only cycle .. just was leaning on that for a bit .Im not afriad to pin at all , like i said i decided to do a test only cycle for my first cycle now i never said i was ever going to do a dbol only cycle i was only asking questions the whole time and pointing out things i learned on the internet but after researching i came to realize a dbol only cycle is kinda waste of time because of the loss afterwards and fucking up my hormones just to save a tiny bit of gains isnt worth it only reason i was thinking of a dbol only cycle was because of the rapid gains but ya not worth the loss. im going to do a test only cycle for 8-12 weeks in a month or 2 here and of course get my bloodwork done before hand and everything .

You do you man and we’ll help along the way with what you decide. All the guidance regarding what you ought to do at the moment has been presented.

Let’s turn this into a real log and get your diet and training posted pre-cycle instead of everyone telling you the same thing about what you ‘might’ do in two months. Depending on your diet, training and supps and your dedication today vs. a possible cycle in 2 months the advice may change by that time.

If you want to discuss first cycles or oral only cycles, test doses etc we have mega threads for that.

We now know what you might do in 2 months so let us know what you’re doing today for diet, training and supps with updates as often as you’re comfortable with. This will begin your log and start the process in determining what the best route for you is in 2 months.

Also, please get well versed on PCT before you study up on dosing of orals or oils is my advice.

 

[LevButlerov]

Ya i will just run a test only 250 mg a week when i start a cycle but not starting a cycle anytime soon here gonna wait it out a couple more months or so. I dont see that much wrong with doing a dbol only cycle of 15 mg for 4 weeks but at the same time does make more sense to run the test first. I dont want to be on this the rest of my life just want to get a few extra pounds of gains on me and than come off for good also losing some in the process but keeping more than i would naturally.

but you're not pinning anything yet right?
if you want to go with dbol solo its an issue, you can do it but we need to get bloods up @Paolo96

 

[Paolo96]

Hey so i decided im Going to be doing a cycle of 255 mg of Testosterone Enanthate from SYN for 16-20 weeks and will be injecting 85 mg mon/wed/fri in the mornings, and i will have arimidex on hand incase estradiol gets to high and have side effects , and will be taking 0.25-0.5 mg every 2 or 3 days depending on my estradiol. For my PCT i will be doing Clomid and Nolvadex and will be doing a lighter pct so will be taking 25 mg of clomid for 2 weeks and 20 mg nolvadex for 2 weeks and half the dosage every 2 weeks for 6 weeks all together. I will be getting blood tests all the time to make sure everything is going good and i might taper up to 300 mg of the testosterone if everything looks good by week 5-6 on my blood test. And i will pot my blood tests i just got rn.

 

[Paolo96]

 

[Paolo96]

I havent started anything yet but i will be starting in the next couple weeks my blood tests are all natural and seems i have already a really low estradiol and higher natural test.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey so i decided im Going to be doing a cycle of 255 mg of Testosterone Enanthate from SYN for 16-20 weeks and will be injecting 85 mg mon/wed/fri in the mornings, and i will have arimidex on hand incase estradiol gets to high and have side effects , and will be taking 0.25-0.5 mg every 2 or 3 days depending on my estradiol. For my PCT i will be doing Clomid and Nolvadex and will be doing a lighter pct so will be taking 25 mg of clomid for 2 weeks and 20 mg nolvadex for 2 weeks and half the dosage every 2 weeks for 6 weeks all together. I will be getting blood tests all the time to make sure everything is going good and i might taper up to 300 mg of the testosterone if everything looks good by week 5-6 on my blood test. And i will pot my blood tests i just got rn.

255mgs of test is a good dose @Paolo96 for Team SYN @SYNPharmaDist
can you get aromasin? instead of arimidex

 

[LevButlerov]

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why is your estrogen low? and test high? what are you using? @Paolo96

 

[Paolo96]

255mgs of test is a good dose @Paolo96 for Team SYN @SYNPharmaDist
can you get aromasin? instead of arimidex

Yes i could get aromasin instead of arimidex do u think its better to do that ? I just have been reading that on first cycle arimidex is better cause its shorter half life and if i take the arimidex instead its easier to get levels back to normal for estrogen after because aromasin is a strong estrogen blocker for longer ? Been confused on which ai to use .

 

[Paolo96]

why is your estrogen low? and test high? what are you using? @Paolo96

And ya i have no idea why my estrogen is so low i havent used anything at all im actually kind of worried why my estrogen is so low, do u have any idea why ? And does that mean i dont aromatize easily than ?

 

[LevButlerov]

And ya i have no idea why my estrogen is so low i havent used anything at all im actually kind of worried why my estrogen is so low, do u have any idea why ? And does that mean i dont aromatize easily than ?

Its hard to say, you dont take any serms or supps or gear?

 

[LevButlerov]

Yes i could get aromasin instead of arimidex do u think its better to do that ? I just have been reading that on first cycle arimidex is better cause its shorter half life and if i take the arimidex instead its easier to get levels back to normal for estrogen after because aromasin is a strong estrogen blocker for longer ? Been confused on which ai to use .

before we get an AI lets talk about why your natty e2 so low

 

[Paolo96]

Its hard to say, you dont take any serms or supps or gear?

No i dont take anything so its weird to me why my estrogen is so low , could it be a false reading because its not a sensitive estradiol test or does that matter ?

 

[Paolo96]

And if it is actually that low and its not a false reading is that bad for my estradiol to be that low naturally ? And what do u think i could do about that ?

 

[LevButlerov]

No i dont take anything so its weird to me why my estrogen is so low , could it be a false reading because its not a sensitive estradiol test or does that matter ?

And if it is actually that low and its not a false reading is that bad for my estradiol to be that low naturally ? And what do u think i could do about that ?

very unusual, are you taking any doctor prescribed meds?

 

[Paolo96]

very unusual, are you taking any doctor prescribed meds?

No im not anymore i used to be an addict and im a recovered addict now from alcohol opiates and stimulants and was a chronic marijuana user and ya i guess thats what probably affected my hormones so much probably and i guess my estrogen never got back to normal maybe.

 

[LevButlerov]

No im not anymore i used to be an addict and im a recovered addict now from alcohol opiates and stimulants and was a chronic marijuana user and ya i guess thats what probably affected my hormones so much probably and i guess my estrogen never got back to normal maybe.

Just to confirm, when you say not anymore, when was last you took pills etc?

 

[Paolo96]

Ive been 1 year sober but i still smoke weed occasionally here and there but nothing else.

 

[LevButlerov]

Ive been 1 year sober but i still smoke weed occasionally here and there but nothing else.

thats clean but week wouldn't make your e2 go up
can you post your supplement list please? @Paolo96

 

[Paolo96]

thats clean but week wouldn't make your e2 go up
can you post your supplement list please? @Paolo96

Omega 3, 1000 mg vit C , 100 mg l glutathione , 200 mg magnesium bisglycinate , vit d3/k2 , batch 27 pre workout 1 scoop , whey isolate protien , and l carnitine , and i have been in calorie deficit to lose as much fat as possible for my cycle coming up but keeping up with lots of protien and trying to eat really healthy.

 

[LevButlerov]

Omega 3, 1000 mg vit C , 100 mg l glutathione , 200 mg magnesium bisglycinate , vit d3/k2 , batch 27 pre workout 1 scoop , whey isolate protien , and l carnitine , and i have been in calorie deficit to lose as much fat as possible for my cycle coming up but keeping up with lots of protien and trying to eat really healthy.

glutathione oral? its not bioavailable btw @Paolo96
this is not bad, no meds and just these supps?
I'm really at a low for your low e2, but we need to get to the bottom, do you feel symptoms?

 

[Paolo96]

ya no meds just these supps and im not feeling any symptoms i dont think , i might have some anger out of no where rarely but other than that I feel pretty good so i dont really know ?

 

[LevButlerov]

ya no meds just these supps and im not feeling any symptoms i dont think , i might have some anger out of no where rarely but other than that I feel pretty good so i dont really know ?

lets call this a genetic win then @Paolo96 a test cycle solo nothing else, lets push test to 300 range and see how you test out on the TRT

 

[Paolo96]

lets call this a genetic win then @Paolo96 a test cycle solo nothing else, lets push test to 300 range and see how you test out on the TRT

Awesome than ok , and ya exactly thats what ill do

 

[Paolo96]

Once syn has enanthate back in stock ill be ordering

 

[LevButlerov]

Once syn has enanthate back in stock ill be ordering

You can order from team Oxygen I think they have it now @Paolo96
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...armcanada-is-canadian-domestic-source.110856/
https://oxygenpharmcanada.is

 

[Paolo96]

You can order from team Oxygen I think they have it now @Paolo96
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...armcanada-is-canadian-domestic-source.110856/
https://oxygenpharmcanada.is

I think im just gonna stick with Syn for my first cycle after researching everything so much it seems like syn has the best reputation and has been trusted the longest, is oxygen a good trusted source and how long has it been around? I read some forums on here that said oxygen wasnt trusted or something and than got approved after and is trusted now or was that just a troll idk ?

 

[LevButlerov]

I think im just gonna stick with Syn for my first cycle after researching everything so much it seems like syn has the best reputation and has been trusted the longest, is oxygen a good trusted source and how long has it been around? I read some forums on here that said oxygen wasnt trusted or something and than got approved after and is trusted now or was that just a troll idk ?

you can wait for SYN sure @Paolo96 he's legit as well, its just he's out of stock.

Team Oxygen is legit, why would I recommend something bad to you? think about it. Oxgen is a trusted in the EVO family!

@HarleyGuy

 

[Paolo96]

Ok awesome i might go with oxygen than ill let u know what i choose thanks alot

 

[Paolo96]

And ya ik its just so hard for me to trust things these days sorry about that , ill see how long untill syn gets there stock back in and if its awhile ill order from oxygen

 

[Paolo96]

I actually just got an email back from syn and its back in stock so ill be ordering tonight

 

[LevButlerov]

I actually just got an email back from syn and its back in stock so ill be ordering tonight

perfect timing go for it

 

[BeMe]

Low aromatization is like a super power bro. Just means you can run your test even higher with no worries. Wish I had that problem lol.

Congrats on the 1 year of sobriety. Getting off opiates is no joke, been there. Just making health and fitness your new addiction and you'll be amazed how much easier it makes sober living. If you start thinking about slipping then just think about how far it will set you back on your fitness goals. Helps a lot for me.

 

[Paolo96]

Low aromatization is like a super power bro. Just means you can run your test even higher with no worries. Wish I had that problem lol.

Congrats on the 1 year of sobriety. Getting off opiates is no joke, been there. Just making health and fitness your new addiction and you'll be amazed how much easier it makes sober living. If you start thinking about slipping then just think about how far it will set you back on your fitness goals. Helps a lot for me.

Awesome ya super happy about the low aromatization genetics man , and thanks alot man really appreciate it , ya its been a long time coming and was in a really bad place for a long time and ive finally found something that can move me forward and found my self again . Thanks alot bro cant wait for better things And living life again

 

[HarleyGuy]

I think im just gonna stick with Syn for my first cycle after researching everything so much it seems like syn has the best reputation and has been trusted the longest, is oxygen a good trusted source and how long has it been around? I read some forums on here that said oxygen wasnt trusted or something and than got approved after and is trusted now or was that just a troll idk ?

Oxygen from @OxygenPharm is our GOLD Tier supplier of all the suppliers here in Canada on EVO bro.

You can get their TestE here https://oxygenpharmcanada.is/product/testosterone-enanthate-250mg-ml-10ml/

Highly recommend.

 

[Paolo96]

Oxygen from @OxygenPharm is our GOLD Tier supplier of all the suppliers here in Canada on EVO bro.

You can get their TestE here https://oxygenpharmcanada.is/product/testosterone-enanthate-250mg-ml-10ml/

Highly recommend.

I will definitely try Oxygen next i went with Syn for the first cycle mainly because ive already talked to him a few times over email about everything over the past few weeks and is well trusted as well but ill defs be trying out Oxygen for next cycle ive been hearing lots of good things about Oxygen thanks man @HarleyGuy

 

[HarleyGuy]

I will definitely try Oxygen next i went with Syn for the first cycle mainly because ive already talked to him a few times over email about everything over the past few weeks and is well trusted as well but ill defs be trying out Oxygen for next cycle ive been hearing lots of good things about Oxygen thanks man @HarleyGuy

Sure bro. @SYNPharmaDist is good to go so you're in good hands!

 

[BeMe]

Awesome ya super happy about the low aromatization genetics man , and thanks alot man really appreciate it , ya its been a long time coming and was in a really bad place for a long time and ive finally found something that can move me forward and found my self again . Thanks alot bro cant wait for better things And living life again

Sounds like you're already doing a great job again in the living life department bro. You did the hard part already and now you just gotta maintain