Approved Log First Cycle Log from Italy - Testosterone Primobolan

[Pepty]

Hi everyone,

Writing from Italy! This is going to be my very first cycle.

I have an ectomorph “hardgainer” body type. I’m naturally defined but lack muscle mass and struggle to gain weight.

My goal is keepable, permanent gains. I prefer quality tissue over water weight, and I would like to ensure a smooth recovery with a proper PCT

STATS:
• Age: 31
• Height: 184 cm (6’0”)
• Weight: 72 kg (158 lbs)
• Body Fat: ~10-11%
• Training Experience: Years of lifting, but never nailed the bulk diet consistently.

BASELINE BLOODWORK:
• Total Testosterone: 581 ng/dL (Ref: 164 - 753)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/mL (Ref: 11.8 - 48.9)
• LH: 5.83 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• FSH: 5.52 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: <130)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: 5.3 - 22.4)

CURRENT PROTOCOL:
• HGH: 2 IU/day. Currently morning, switching to pre-bed after the holidays.
• Retatrutide: 2 mg/week

PLANNED CYCLE (12-14 Weeks):

I want to keep it simple and safe for a first run and that is my starting idea (but I’m ready to destroy it )

• Testosterone Enanthate: 250 mg/week.
• Primobolan: 200 mg/week.
• HCG: 500 IU/week (to help keep testes active ?)
• Total: 450mg/week.


PCT PLAN (Seeking advice):
I want to secure my gains and recover my natural production (which i think is currently good).

• Start: 18 days after last pin.
• Protocol: Enclomiphene (25mg -> 12.5mg) + Nolvadex (20mg -> 10mg) for 4 weeks.
• Is this PCT protocol solid for a 12-14 week run?

TRAINING & DIET:
• Split: 4-Day PUSH/PULL (Strength & Posture focus).

DAY 1 - PUSH A :
• Chest Press Barbell 4x8
• Seated DB Shoulder Press 3x10
• Dips (Assisted/Weighted) 3x8-10
• Rear Lunges 3x12
• Core: Plank + Hollow Hold


DAY 2 - PULL A :
• Trap Bar Deadlift 4x6
• One Arm DB Row 3x10
• Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown 3x10-12
• Hip Thrust 3x12
• EZ Bar Curl 3x10

DAY 3 - PUSH B:
• Standing Military Press 4x6
• Incline DB Press 3x8
• Deficit Push-ups 3xMax
• Step-ups 3x10
• Core: Stability Ball Roll-out

DAY 4 - PULL B:
• Romanian Deadlift 4x8
• TRX/Bar Row 3x10
• Close Grip Cable Row 3x12
• Leg Curl 3x12
• Face Pulls 3x15

• Diet: Aiming for +500 kcal surplus. High Protein/High Carb.

QUESTIONS:
1. Is 12 weeks enough to solidify gains with Primobolan (I heard it shines in longer cycles)?
2. Any general tips? Better to stick just to Test?

P.S pictures coming next days

Thanks for the help!
Pep.

 

[Pepty]

In the meantime I’m reading this useful article about PCT:

https://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Hi everyone,

Writing from Italy! This is going to be my very first cycle.

I have an ectomorph “hardgainer” body type. I’m naturally defined but lack muscle mass and struggle to gain weight.

My goal is keepable, permanent gains. I prefer quality tissue over water weight, and I would like to ensure a smooth recovery with a proper PCT

STATS:
• Age: 31
• Height: 184 cm (6’0”)
• Weight: 72 kg (158 lbs)
• Body Fat: ~10-11%
• Training Experience: Years of lifting, but never nailed the bulk diet consistently.

BASELINE BLOODWORK:
• Total Testosterone: 581 ng/dL (Ref: 164 - 753)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/mL (Ref: 11.8 - 48.9)
• LH: 5.83 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• FSH: 5.52 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: <130)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: 5.3 - 22.4)

CURRENT PROTOCOL:
• HGH: 2 IU/day. Currently morning, switching to pre-bed after the holidays.
• Retatrutide: 2 mg/week

PLANNED CYCLE (12-14 Weeks):

I want to keep it simple and safe for a first run and that is my starting idea (but I’m ready to destroy it )

• Testosterone Enanthate: 250 mg/week.
• Primobolan: 200 mg/week.
• HCG: 500 IU/week (to help keep testes active ?)
• Total: 450mg/week.


PCT PLAN (Seeking advice):
I want to secure my gains and recover my natural production (which i think is currently good).

• Start: 18 days after last pin.
• Protocol: Enclomiphene (25mg -> 12.5mg) + Nolvadex (20mg -> 10mg) for 4 weeks.
• Is this PCT protocol solid for a 12-14 week run?

TRAINING & DIET:
• Split: 4-Day PUSH/PULL (Strength & Posture focus).

DAY 1 - PUSH A :
• Chest Press Barbell 4x8
• Seated DB Shoulder Press 3x10
• Dips (Assisted/Weighted) 3x8-10
• Rear Lunges 3x12
• Core: Plank + Hollow Hold


DAY 2 - PULL A :
• Trap Bar Deadlift 4x6
• One Arm DB Row 3x10
• Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown 3x10-12
• Hip Thrust 3x12
• EZ Bar Curl 3x10

DAY 3 - PUSH B:
• Standing Military Press 4x6
• Incline DB Press 3x8
• Deficit Push-ups 3xMax
• Step-ups 3x10
• Core: Stability Ball Roll-out

DAY 4 - PULL B:
• Romanian Deadlift 4x8
• TRX/Bar Row 3x10
• Close Grip Cable Row 3x12
• Leg Curl 3x12
• Face Pulls 3x15

• Diet: Aiming for +500 kcal surplus. High Protein/High Carb.

QUESTIONS:
1. Is 12 weeks enough to solidify gains with Primobolan (I heard it shines in longer cycles)?
2. Any general tips? Better to stick just to Test?

P.S pictures coming next days

Thanks for the help!
Pep.

@Pepty
Merry Christmas
Great start to this Journey.
Please add photos of you with your face blurred out, we need it to understand your base, and approve your log.

 

[Pepty]

Hello everyone,

Here i am!

I've spent this night reading "Underground Steroid Cycles Handbook" and i came across this "Advanced" cycle:

It seems really similar to the idea i had, the quantity are much higher (i thought to be under 500mg total each week).

Hi @Eddie Haskell, I'm attaching my current status, thanks for all your feedback feel free to judge me as bad as you can

Thanks!

 

[LevButlerov]

Hi everyone,

Writing from Italy! This is going to be my very first cycle.

I have an ectomorph “hardgainer” body type. I’m naturally defined but lack muscle mass and struggle to gain weight.

My goal is keepable, permanent gains. I prefer quality tissue over water weight, and I would like to ensure a smooth recovery with a proper PCT

STATS:
• Age: 31
• Height: 184 cm (6’0”)
• Weight: 72 kg (158 lbs)
• Body Fat: ~10-11%
• Training Experience: Years of lifting, but never nailed the bulk diet consistently.

BASELINE BLOODWORK:
• Total Testosterone: 581 ng/dL (Ref: 164 - 753)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/mL (Ref: 11.8 - 48.9)
• LH: 5.83 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• FSH: 5.52 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: <130)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: 5.3 - 22.4)

CURRENT PROTOCOL:
• HGH: 2 IU/day. Currently morning, switching to pre-bed after the holidays.
• Retatrutide: 2 mg/week

PLANNED CYCLE (12-14 Weeks):

I want to keep it simple and safe for a first run and that is my starting idea (but I’m ready to destroy it )

• Testosterone Enanthate: 250 mg/week.
• Primobolan: 200 mg/week.
• HCG: 500 IU/week (to help keep testes active ?)
• Total: 450mg/week.


PCT PLAN (Seeking advice):
I want to secure my gains and recover my natural production (which i think is currently good).

• Start: 18 days after last pin.
• Protocol: Enclomiphene (25mg -> 12.5mg) + Nolvadex (20mg -> 10mg) for 4 weeks.
• Is this PCT protocol solid for a 12-14 week run?

TRAINING & DIET:
• Split: 4-Day PUSH/PULL (Strength & Posture focus).

DAY 1 - PUSH A :
• Chest Press Barbell 4x8
• Seated DB Shoulder Press 3x10
• Dips (Assisted/Weighted) 3x8-10
• Rear Lunges 3x12
• Core: Plank + Hollow Hold


DAY 2 - PULL A :
• Trap Bar Deadlift 4x6
• One Arm DB Row 3x10
• Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown 3x10-12
• Hip Thrust 3x12
• EZ Bar Curl 3x10

DAY 3 - PUSH B:
• Standing Military Press 4x6
• Incline DB Press 3x8
• Deficit Push-ups 3xMax
• Step-ups 3x10
• Core: Stability Ball Roll-out

DAY 4 - PULL B:
• Romanian Deadlift 4x8
• TRX/Bar Row 3x10
• Close Grip Cable Row 3x12
• Leg Curl 3x12
• Face Pulls 3x15

• Diet: Aiming for +500 kcal surplus. High Protein/High Carb.

QUESTIONS:
1. Is 12 weeks enough to solidify gains with Primobolan (I heard it shines in longer cycles)?
2. Any general tips? Better to stick just to Test?

P.S pictures coming next days

Thanks for the help!
Pep.

In the meantime I’m reading this useful article about PCT:

https://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

Hello everyone,

Here i am!

I've spent this night reading "Underground Steroid Cycles Handbook" and i came across this "Advanced" cycle:

View attachment 159979
It seems really similar to the idea i had, the quantity are much higher (i thought to be under 500mg total each week).

Hi @Eddie Haskell, I'm attaching my current status, thanks for all your feedback feel free to judge me as bad as you can

Thanks!

welcome to the EVO family fully now @Pepty you look very good, nice and lean!

what brand of test and primo you're using? please post pics

and share pics of your bloods please, blur personal info

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

 

[Dreamer]

Hello everyone,

Here i am!

I've spent this night reading "Underground Steroid Cycles Handbook" and i came across this "Advanced" cycle:

View attachment 159979
It seems really similar to the idea i had, the quantity are much higher (i thought to be under 500mg total each week).

Hi @Eddie Haskell, I'm attaching my current status, thanks for all your feedback feel free to judge me as bad as you can

Thanks!

Hello, nice start to this log, your in good shape already this should be a good run, welcome to evo

 

[Pepty]

Hey,

thanks for the feedback!

I live in EU so i'm searching a good source at the moment, i still need to buy everything (except HGH and Reta that i already have), because i was searching for feedback on those: i was/am really unsure if try my first cycle with just Test or also Primo and the length of it.
I've the option to buy them from Driada, they should be serious and i bought from them in the past (not steroids).

About the diet, i'm currently below my TDEE that is 2500kcal, i think to aim for a +500cal surplus during the cycle with this partitioning:

• 3000 kcal
• 220g PRO
• 400g CHO
• 70g FAT

I usually eat 3 times a day (now it's really easy because i'm just back at my TDEE after a cut), but i think i'll need to eat more times to reach my calorie goal.

For supps, i didn't take anything until this Monday when i started to use creatine again (5g a day), omega 3, multivitamin but i don't use any of the one you listed

My complete analysis are this, sorry i can't post the image or pdf because it's not in English:


BLOODWORK RESULTS


COMPLETE BLOOD COUNT (CBC)

• White Blood Cells (WBC): 5.40 10^3/ul (Ref: 4.40 - 11.30)
• Red Blood Cells (RBC): 5.05 10^6/ul (Ref: 4.70 - 6.10)
• Hemoglobin (HGB): 15.1 g/dl (Ref: 14.0 - 18.0)
• Hematocrit (HCT): 48.4% (Ref: 42.0 - 52.0)
• MCV: 95.9 fL (Ref: 80.0 - 94.0) [HIGH]
• MCH: 29.8 pg (Ref: 25.0 - 33.0)
• MCHC: 31.1 g/dl (Ref: 31.0 - 36.0)
• RDW: 12.8% (Ref: 11.5 - 14.5)
• Platelets (PLT): 215 10^3/ul (Ref: 130 - 400)
• MPV: 8.4 fL (Ref: 7.2 - 11.1)

Leukocyte Formula:

• Neutrophils %: 50.1% (Ref: 40.0 - 74.0)
• Lymphocytes %: 43.1% (Ref: 19.0 - 48.0)
• Monocytes %: 4.4% (Ref: 3.4 - 9.0)
• Eosinophils %: 2.2% (Ref: 0.0 - 7.0)
• Basophils %: 0.3% (Ref: 0.0 - 1.5)
• Neutrophils (Abs): 2.71 x10^3/ul (Ref: 1.90 - 8.00)
• Lymphocytes (Abs): 2.33 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.90 - 5.20)
• Monocytes (Abs): 0.24 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.16 - 1.00)
• Eosinophils (Abs): 0.12 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.00 - 0.80)
• Basophils (Abs): 0.02 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.00 - 0.20)

METABOLIC & LIPID PANEL

• Albumin: 5.0 g/dl (Ref: 3.2 - 4.8) [HIGH]
• Total Cholesterol: 232 mg/dl (Ref: < 200) [HIGH]
• HDL Cholesterol: 59 mg/dl (Ref: >= 60 Optimal / 40-59 Moderate Risk)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: < 100 Optimal / 100-129 Near Optimal)

HORMONAL PANEL

• Prolactin: 5.18 ng/ml (Ref: 2.10 - 17.70)
• FSH: 5.52 mUI/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LH: 5.83 mUI/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/ml (Ref: < 39.8)
• Total Testosterone: 581.59 ng/dl (Ref: 164.94 - 753.38)
• SHBG: 29.51 nM/l (Ref: 11.54 - 54.49)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: AM 5.3 - 22.4)

THYROID PANEL

• TSH: 2.253 uUI/ml (Ref: 0.550 - 4.780)
• Total T3: 0.96 ng/ml (Ref: 0.35 - 1.93)
• Total T4: 6.57 μg/dl (Ref: 4.87 - 11.72)

---

Current Lifts (Weights are in lbs for your convenience but i use KGs):

PUSH PULL PUSH PULL
WORKOUT A

• Flat Bench Press: 4x8 - 45 lbs
• Shoulder Press: 3x10 - 35 lbs
• Close Grip Chest Press: 3x10 - 22 lbs (OR Triceps Pushdown: 15 lbs)
• Bulgarian Split Squats (Dumbbells): 3x12 - 27.5 lbs

WORKOUT B

• Dumbbell Deadlift: 4x6 - 65 lbs
• One-Arm Dumbbell Row: 3x10 - 40 lbs
• Lat Machine (Pulldown): 3x10-12 - 90 lbs
• Glute Bridge: 3x12 - 45 lbs
• EZ Bar Curl: 10 lbs (plus bar weight)

WORKOUT C

• Military Press: 22 lbs
• Incline Dumbbell Press: 40 lbs
• Elevated Push-ups: Max reps
• Dumbbell Step-ups: 35 lbs

WORKOUT D

• Romanian Deadlift (RDL): 4x8 - 55 lbs
• TRX Rows: 3x10 - Bodyweight
• Cable Row (Pulley): 3x12 - 90 lbs
• Bicep Curl: 3x12 - 90 lbs
• Face Pulls: 3x15 - 27.5 lbs

I'm currently feeling quite weak and have lost significant strength due to a recent aggressive cut.
Weight loss: Dropped from 176 lbs (80 kg) in September to 158 lbs (72 kg) today.

Thanks!

 

[Pigsy]

Hey,

thanks for the feedback!

I live in EU so i'm searching a good source at the moment, i still need to buy everything (except HGH and Reta that i already have), because i was searching for feedback on those: i was/am really unsure if try my first cycle with just Test or also Primo and the length of it.
I've the option to buy them from Driada, they should be serious and i bought from them in the past (not steroids).

About the diet, i'm currently below my TDEE that is 2500kcal, i think to aim for a +500cal surplus during the cycle with this partitioning:

• 3000 kcal
• 220g PRO
• 400g CHO
• 70g FAT

I usually eat 3 times a day (now it's really easy because i'm just back at my TDEE after a cut), but i think i'll need to eat more times to reach my calorie goal.

For supps, i didn't take anything until this Monday when i started to use creatine again (5g a day), omega 3, multivitamin but i don't use any of the one you listed

My complete analysis are this, sorry i can't post the image or pdf because it's not in English:


BLOODWORK RESULTS


COMPLETE BLOOD COUNT (CBC)

• White Blood Cells (WBC): 5.40 10^3/ul (Ref: 4.40 - 11.30)
• Red Blood Cells (RBC): 5.05 10^6/ul (Ref: 4.70 - 6.10)
• Hemoglobin (HGB): 15.1 g/dl (Ref: 14.0 - 18.0)
• Hematocrit (HCT): 48.4% (Ref: 42.0 - 52.0)
• MCV: 95.9 fL (Ref: 80.0 - 94.0) [HIGH]
• MCH: 29.8 pg (Ref: 25.0 - 33.0)
• MCHC: 31.1 g/dl (Ref: 31.0 - 36.0)
• RDW: 12.8% (Ref: 11.5 - 14.5)
• Platelets (PLT): 215 10^3/ul (Ref: 130 - 400)
• MPV: 8.4 fL (Ref: 7.2 - 11.1)

Leukocyte Formula:

• Neutrophils %: 50.1% (Ref: 40.0 - 74.0)
• Lymphocytes %: 43.1% (Ref: 19.0 - 48.0)
• Monocytes %: 4.4% (Ref: 3.4 - 9.0)
• Eosinophils %: 2.2% (Ref: 0.0 - 7.0)
• Basophils %: 0.3% (Ref: 0.0 - 1.5)
• Neutrophils (Abs): 2.71 x10^3/ul (Ref: 1.90 - 8.00)
• Lymphocytes (Abs): 2.33 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.90 - 5.20)
• Monocytes (Abs): 0.24 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.16 - 1.00)
• Eosinophils (Abs): 0.12 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.00 - 0.80)
• Basophils (Abs): 0.02 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.00 - 0.20)

METABOLIC & LIPID PANEL

• Albumin: 5.0 g/dl (Ref: 3.2 - 4.8) [HIGH]
• Total Cholesterol: 232 mg/dl (Ref: < 200) [HIGH]
• HDL Cholesterol: 59 mg/dl (Ref: >= 60 Optimal / 40-59 Moderate Risk)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: < 100 Optimal / 100-129 Near Optimal)

HORMONAL PANEL

• Prolactin: 5.18 ng/ml (Ref: 2.10 - 17.70)
• FSH: 5.52 mUI/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LH: 5.83 mUI/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/ml (Ref: < 39.8)
• Total Testosterone: 581.59 ng/dl (Ref: 164.94 - 753.38)
• SHBG: 29.51 nM/l (Ref: 11.54 - 54.49)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: AM 5.3 - 22.4)

THYROID PANEL

• TSH: 2.253 uUI/ml (Ref: 0.550 - 4.780)
• Total T3: 0.96 ng/ml (Ref: 0.35 - 1.93)
• Total T4: 6.57 μg/dl (Ref: 4.87 - 11.72)

---

Current Lifts (Weights are in lbs for your convenience but i use KGs):

PUSH PULL PUSH PULL
WORKOUT A

• Flat Bench Press: 4x8 - 45 lbs
• Shoulder Press: 3x10 - 35 lbs
• Close Grip Chest Press: 3x10 - 22 lbs (OR Triceps Pushdown: 15 lbs)
• Bulgarian Split Squats (Dumbbells): 3x12 - 27.5 lbs

WORKOUT B

• Dumbbell Deadlift: 4x6 - 65 lbs
• One-Arm Dumbbell Row: 3x10 - 40 lbs
• Lat Machine (Pulldown): 3x10-12 - 90 lbs
• Glute Bridge: 3x12 - 45 lbs
• EZ Bar Curl: 10 lbs (plus bar weight)

WORKOUT C

• Military Press: 22 lbs
• Incline Dumbbell Press: 40 lbs
• Elevated Push-ups: Max reps
• Dumbbell Step-ups: 35 lbs

WORKOUT D

• Romanian Deadlift (RDL): 4x8 - 55 lbs
• TRX Rows: 3x10 - Bodyweight
• Cable Row (Pulley): 3x12 - 90 lbs
• Bicep Curl: 3x12 - 90 lbs
• Face Pulls: 3x15 - 27.5 lbs

I'm currently feeling quite weak and have lost significant strength due to a recent aggressive cut.
Weight loss: Dropped from 176 lbs (80 kg) in September to 158 lbs (72 kg) today.

Thanks!

Good start to your log brother subscribing

 

[Freki]

Hello everyone,

Here i am!

I've spent this night reading "Underground Steroid Cycles Handbook" and i came across this "Advanced" cycle:

View attachment 159979
It seems really similar to the idea i had, the quantity are much higher (i thought to be under 500mg total each week).

Hi @Eddie Haskell, I'm attaching my current status, thanks for all your feedback feel free to judge me as bad as you can

Thanks!

Welcome Pepty
Great start to your log

 

[rizzlekdizzle]

Ciao! looking good mate. I also struggle with putting on weight and am tall and long limbed. Do u want to continue the Reta with this cycle? If you want to put on some size you may want to lower it if this is gonna be a ‘lean bill’ as such?

Looking forward to seeing the process.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey,

thanks for the feedback!

I live in EU so i'm searching a good source at the moment, i still need to buy everything (except HGH and Reta that i already have), because i was searching for feedback on those: i was/am really unsure if try my first cycle with just Test or also Primo and the length of it.
I've the option to buy them from Driada, they should be serious and i bought from them in the past (not steroids).

About the diet, i'm currently below my TDEE that is 2500kcal, i think to aim for a +500cal surplus during the cycle with this partitioning:

• 3000 kcal
• 220g PRO
• 400g CHO
• 70g FAT

I usually eat 3 times a day (now it's really easy because i'm just back at my TDEE after a cut), but i think i'll need to eat more times to reach my calorie goal.

For supps, i didn't take anything until this Monday when i started to use creatine again (5g a day), omega 3, multivitamin but i don't use any of the one you listed

My complete analysis are this, sorry i can't post the image or pdf because it's not in English:


BLOODWORK RESULTS


COMPLETE BLOOD COUNT (CBC)

• White Blood Cells (WBC): 5.40 10^3/ul (Ref: 4.40 - 11.30)
• Red Blood Cells (RBC): 5.05 10^6/ul (Ref: 4.70 - 6.10)
• Hemoglobin (HGB): 15.1 g/dl (Ref: 14.0 - 18.0)
• Hematocrit (HCT): 48.4% (Ref: 42.0 - 52.0)
• MCV: 95.9 fL (Ref: 80.0 - 94.0) [HIGH]
• MCH: 29.8 pg (Ref: 25.0 - 33.0)
• MCHC: 31.1 g/dl (Ref: 31.0 - 36.0)
• RDW: 12.8% (Ref: 11.5 - 14.5)
• Platelets (PLT): 215 10^3/ul (Ref: 130 - 400)
• MPV: 8.4 fL (Ref: 7.2 - 11.1)

Leukocyte Formula:

• Neutrophils %: 50.1% (Ref: 40.0 - 74.0)
• Lymphocytes %: 43.1% (Ref: 19.0 - 48.0)
• Monocytes %: 4.4% (Ref: 3.4 - 9.0)
• Eosinophils %: 2.2% (Ref: 0.0 - 7.0)
• Basophils %: 0.3% (Ref: 0.0 - 1.5)
• Neutrophils (Abs): 2.71 x10^3/ul (Ref: 1.90 - 8.00)
• Lymphocytes (Abs): 2.33 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.90 - 5.20)
• Monocytes (Abs): 0.24 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.16 - 1.00)
• Eosinophils (Abs): 0.12 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.00 - 0.80)
• Basophils (Abs): 0.02 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.00 - 0.20)

METABOLIC & LIPID PANEL

• Albumin: 5.0 g/dl (Ref: 3.2 - 4.8) [HIGH]
• Total Cholesterol: 232 mg/dl (Ref: < 200) [HIGH]
• HDL Cholesterol: 59 mg/dl (Ref: >= 60 Optimal / 40-59 Moderate Risk)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: < 100 Optimal / 100-129 Near Optimal)

HORMONAL PANEL

• Prolactin: 5.18 ng/ml (Ref: 2.10 - 17.70)
• FSH: 5.52 mUI/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LH: 5.83 mUI/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/ml (Ref: < 39.8)
• Total Testosterone: 581.59 ng/dl (Ref: 164.94 - 753.38)
• SHBG: 29.51 nM/l (Ref: 11.54 - 54.49)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: AM 5.3 - 22.4)

THYROID PANEL

• TSH: 2.253 uUI/ml (Ref: 0.550 - 4.780)
• Total T3: 0.96 ng/ml (Ref: 0.35 - 1.93)
• Total T4: 6.57 μg/dl (Ref: 4.87 - 11.72)

---

Current Lifts (Weights are in lbs for your convenience but i use KGs):

PUSH PULL PUSH PULL
WORKOUT A

• Flat Bench Press: 4x8 - 45 lbs
• Shoulder Press: 3x10 - 35 lbs
• Close Grip Chest Press: 3x10 - 22 lbs (OR Triceps Pushdown: 15 lbs)
• Bulgarian Split Squats (Dumbbells): 3x12 - 27.5 lbs

WORKOUT B

• Dumbbell Deadlift: 4x6 - 65 lbs
• One-Arm Dumbbell Row: 3x10 - 40 lbs
• Lat Machine (Pulldown): 3x10-12 - 90 lbs
• Glute Bridge: 3x12 - 45 lbs
• EZ Bar Curl: 10 lbs (plus bar weight)

WORKOUT C

• Military Press: 22 lbs
• Incline Dumbbell Press: 40 lbs
• Elevated Push-ups: Max reps
• Dumbbell Step-ups: 35 lbs

WORKOUT D

• Romanian Deadlift (RDL): 4x8 - 55 lbs
• TRX Rows: 3x10 - Bodyweight
• Cable Row (Pulley): 3x12 - 90 lbs
• Bicep Curl: 3x12 - 90 lbs
• Face Pulls: 3x15 - 27.5 lbs

I'm currently feeling quite weak and have lost significant strength due to a recent aggressive cut.
Weight loss: Dropped from 176 lbs (80 kg) in September to 158 lbs (72 kg) today.

Thanks!

I live in EU so i'm searching a good source at the moment, i still need to buy everything (except HGH and Reta that i already have), because i was searching for feedback on those: i was/am really unsure if try my first cycle with just Test or also Primo and the length of it.
I've the option to buy them from Driada, they should be serious and i bought from them in the past (not steroids).

That's easy, use Puritysourcelabs.ru @Pepty
https://puritysourcelabs.ru/
Team PSL is legit always on EVO and easy shipping to Italy
@~Vision~ @Phill

About the diet, i'm currently below my TDEE that is 2500kcal, i think to aim for a +500cal surplus during the cycle with this partitioning:

• 3000 kcal
• 220g PRO
• 400g CHO
• 70g FAT

I usually eat 3 times a day (now it's really easy because i'm just back at my TDEE after a cut), but i think i'll need to eat more times to reach my calorie goal.

thats fine but the issue no foods listed, get myfitness pal app or another we need to see actual foods
just looking at diet now you need over 250 protein

For supps, i didn't take anything until this Monday when i started to use creatine again (5g a day), omega 3, multivitamin but i don't use any of the one you listed

get a bottle of n2guard for cycle support use ed and start using digestive aids probiotics digestive enzymes psyllium husk ed

BLOODWORK RESULTS


COMPLETE BLOOD COUNT (CBC)

• White Blood Cells (WBC): 5.40 10^3/ul (Ref: 4.40 - 11.30)
• Red Blood Cells (RBC): 5.05 10^6/ul (Ref: 4.70 - 6.10)
• Hemoglobin (HGB): 15.1 g/dl (Ref: 14.0 - 18.0)
• Hematocrit (HCT): 48.4% (Ref: 42.0 - 52.0)
• MCV: 95.9 fL (Ref: 80.0 - 94.0) [HIGH]
• MCH: 29.8 pg (Ref: 25.0 - 33.0)
• MCHC: 31.1 g/dl (Ref: 31.0 - 36.0)
• RDW: 12.8% (Ref: 11.5 - 14.5)
• Platelets (PLT): 215 10^3/ul (Ref: 130 - 400)
• MPV: 8.4 fL (Ref: 7.2 - 11.1)

Leukocyte Formula:

• Neutrophils %: 50.1% (Ref: 40.0 - 74.0)
• Lymphocytes %: 43.1% (Ref: 19.0 - 48.0)
• Monocytes %: 4.4% (Ref: 3.4 - 9.0)
• Eosinophils %: 2.2% (Ref: 0.0 - 7.0)
• Basophils %: 0.3% (Ref: 0.0 - 1.5)
• Neutrophils (Abs): 2.71 x10^3/ul (Ref: 1.90 - 8.00)
• Lymphocytes (Abs): 2.33 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.90 - 5.20)
• Monocytes (Abs): 0.24 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.16 - 1.00)
• Eosinophils (Abs): 0.12 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.00 - 0.80)
• Basophils (Abs): 0.02 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.00 - 0.20)

METABOLIC & LIPID PANEL

• Albumin: 5.0 g/dl (Ref: 3.2 - 4.8) [HIGH]
• Total Cholesterol: 232 mg/dl (Ref: < 200) [HIGH]
• HDL Cholesterol: 59 mg/dl (Ref: >= 60 Optimal / 40-59 Moderate Risk)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: < 100 Optimal / 100-129 Near Optimal)

HORMONAL PANEL

• Prolactin: 5.18 ng/ml (Ref: 2.10 - 17.70)
• FSH: 5.52 mUI/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LH: 5.83 mUI/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/ml (Ref: < 39.8)
• Total Testosterone: 581.59 ng/dl (Ref: 164.94 - 753.38)
• SHBG: 29.51 nM/l (Ref: 11.54 - 54.49)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: AM 5.3 - 22.4)

THYROID PANEL

• TSH: 2.253 uUI/ml (Ref: 0.550 - 4.780)
• Total T3: 0.96 ng/ml (Ref: 0.35 - 1.93)
• Total T4: 6.57 μg/dl (Ref: 4.87 - 11.72)

thank you for sharing but please share actual bloods with your info blurred, the paper thanks

Current Lifts (Weights are in lbs for your convenience but i use KGs):

PUSH PULL PUSH PULL
WORKOUT A

• Flat Bench Press: 4x8 - 45 lbs
• Shoulder Press: 3x10 - 35 lbs
• Close Grip Chest Press: 3x10 - 22 lbs (OR Triceps Pushdown: 15 lbs)
• Bulgarian Split Squats (Dumbbells): 3x12 - 27.5 lbs

WORKOUT B

• Dumbbell Deadlift: 4x6 - 65 lbs
• One-Arm Dumbbell Row: 3x10 - 40 lbs
• Lat Machine (Pulldown): 3x10-12 - 90 lbs
• Glute Bridge: 3x12 - 45 lbs
• EZ Bar Curl: 10 lbs (plus bar weight)

WORKOUT C

• Military Press: 22 lbs
• Incline Dumbbell Press: 40 lbs
• Elevated Push-ups: Max reps
• Dumbbell Step-ups: 35 lbs

WORKOUT D

• Romanian Deadlift (RDL): 4x8 - 55 lbs
• TRX Rows: 3x10 - Bodyweight
• Cable Row (Pulley): 3x12 - 90 lbs
• Bicep Curl: 3x12 - 90 lbs
• Face Pulls: 3x15 - 27.5 lbs

I'm currently feeling quite weak and have lost significant strength due to a recent aggressive cut.
Weight loss: Dropped from 176 lbs (80 kg) in September to 158 lbs (72 kg) today.

Good push pull but thats hard to say if you're doing it ed
example workout C how many sets and reps? and cardio?


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@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

 

[stevesmi]

Hi everyone,

Writing from Italy! This is going to be my very first cycle.

I have an ectomorph “hardgainer” body type. I’m naturally defined but lack muscle mass and struggle to gain weight.

My goal is keepable, permanent gains. I prefer quality tissue over water weight, and I would like to ensure a smooth recovery with a proper PCT

STATS:
• Age: 31
• Height: 184 cm (6’0”)
• Weight: 72 kg (158 lbs)
• Body Fat: ~10-11%
• Training Experience: Years of lifting, but never nailed the bulk diet consistently.

BASELINE BLOODWORK:
• Total Testosterone: 581 ng/dL (Ref: 164 - 753)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/mL (Ref: 11.8 - 48.9)
• LH: 5.83 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• FSH: 5.52 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: <130)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: 5.3 - 22.4)

CURRENT PROTOCOL:
• HGH: 2 IU/day. Currently morning, switching to pre-bed after the holidays.
• Retatrutide: 2 mg/week

PLANNED CYCLE (12-14 Weeks):

I want to keep it simple and safe for a first run and that is my starting idea (but I’m ready to destroy it )

• Testosterone Enanthate: 250 mg/week.
• Primobolan: 200 mg/week.
• HCG: 500 IU/week (to help keep testes active ?)
• Total: 450mg/week.


PCT PLAN (Seeking advice):
I want to secure my gains and recover my natural production (which i think is currently good).

• Start: 18 days after last pin.
• Protocol: Enclomiphene (25mg -> 12.5mg) + Nolvadex (20mg -> 10mg) for 4 weeks.
• Is this PCT protocol solid for a 12-14 week run?

TRAINING & DIET:
• Split: 4-Day PUSH/PULL (Strength & Posture focus).

DAY 1 - PUSH A :
• Chest Press Barbell 4x8
• Seated DB Shoulder Press 3x10
• Dips (Assisted/Weighted) 3x8-10
• Rear Lunges 3x12
• Core: Plank + Hollow Hold


DAY 2 - PULL A :
• Trap Bar Deadlift 4x6
• One Arm DB Row 3x10
• Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown 3x10-12
• Hip Thrust 3x12
• EZ Bar Curl 3x10

DAY 3 - PUSH B:
• Standing Military Press 4x6
• Incline DB Press 3x8
• Deficit Push-ups 3xMax
• Step-ups 3x10
• Core: Stability Ball Roll-out

DAY 4 - PULL B:
• Romanian Deadlift 4x8
• TRX/Bar Row 3x10
• Close Grip Cable Row 3x12
• Leg Curl 3x12
• Face Pulls 3x15

• Diet: Aiming for +500 kcal surplus. High Protein/High Carb.

QUESTIONS:
1. Is 12 weeks enough to solidify gains with Primobolan (I heard it shines in longer cycles)?
2. Any general tips? Better to stick just to Test?

P.S pictures coming next days

Thanks for the help!
Pep.

@Pepty you'll be fine on 12 weeks, man. I think a lot of people overthink. Rome wasn't built overnight. It's going to take more than 12 weeks to build the physique you're looking for anyway.

 

[Ulter]

Hi everyone,

Writing from Italy! This is going to be my very first cycle.

I have an ectomorph “hardgainer” body type. I’m naturally defined but lack muscle mass and struggle to gain weight.

My goal is keepable, permanent gains. I prefer quality tissue over water weight, and I would like to ensure a smooth recovery with a proper PCT

STATS:
• Age: 31
• Height: 184 cm (6’0”)
• Weight: 72 kg (158 lbs)
• Body Fat: ~10-11%
• Training Experience: Years of lifting, but never nailed the bulk diet consistently.

BASELINE BLOODWORK:
• Total Testosterone: 581 ng/dL (Ref: 164 - 753)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/mL (Ref: 11.8 - 48.9)
• LH: 5.83 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• FSH: 5.52 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: <130)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: 5.3 - 22.4)

CURRENT PROTOCOL:
• HGH: 2 IU/day. Currently morning, switching to pre-bed after the holidays.
• Retatrutide: 2 mg/week

PLANNED CYCLE (12-14 Weeks):

I want to keep it simple and safe for a first run and that is my starting idea (but I’m ready to destroy it )

• Testosterone Enanthate: 250 mg/week.
• Primobolan: 200 mg/week.
• HCG: 500 IU/week (to help keep testes active ?)
• Total: 450mg/week.


PCT PLAN (Seeking advice):
I want to secure my gains and recover my natural production (which i think is currently good).

• Start: 18 days after last pin.
• Protocol: Enclomiphene (25mg -> 12.5mg) + Nolvadex (20mg -> 10mg) for 4 weeks.
• Is this PCT protocol solid for a 12-14 week run?

TRAINING & DIET:
• Split: 4-Day PUSH/PULL (Strength & Posture focus).

DAY 1 - PUSH A :
• Chest Press Barbell 4x8
• Seated DB Shoulder Press 3x10
• Dips (Assisted/Weighted) 3x8-10
• Rear Lunges 3x12
• Core: Plank + Hollow Hold


DAY 2 - PULL A :
• Trap Bar Deadlift 4x6
• One Arm DB Row 3x10
• Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown 3x10-12
• Hip Thrust 3x12
• EZ Bar Curl 3x10

DAY 3 - PUSH B:
• Standing Military Press 4x6
• Incline DB Press 3x8
• Deficit Push-ups 3xMax
• Step-ups 3x10
• Core: Stability Ball Roll-out

DAY 4 - PULL B:
• Romanian Deadlift 4x8
• TRX/Bar Row 3x10
• Close Grip Cable Row 3x12
• Leg Curl 3x12
• Face Pulls 3x15

• Diet: Aiming for +500 kcal surplus. High Protein/High Carb.

QUESTIONS:
1. Is 12 weeks enough to solidify gains with Primobolan (I heard it shines in longer cycles)?
2. Any general tips? Better to stick just to Test?

P.S pictures coming next days

Thanks for the help!
Pep.

I really want to see you put this string of training together. I like days 1-4, and I like the different rotation on your splits. @Pepty

 

[BeMe]

Hi everyone,

Writing from Italy! This is going to be my very first cycle.

I have an ectomorph “hardgainer” body type. I’m naturally defined but lack muscle mass and struggle to gain weight.

My goal is keepable, permanent gains. I prefer quality tissue over water weight, and I would like to ensure a smooth recovery with a proper PCT

STATS:
• Age: 31
• Height: 184 cm (6’0”)
• Weight: 72 kg (158 lbs)
• Body Fat: ~10-11%
• Training Experience: Years of lifting, but never nailed the bulk diet consistently.

BASELINE BLOODWORK:
• Total Testosterone: 581 ng/dL (Ref: 164 - 753)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/mL (Ref: 11.8 - 48.9)
• LH: 5.83 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• FSH: 5.52 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: <130)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: 5.3 - 22.4)

CURRENT PROTOCOL:
• HGH: 2 IU/day. Currently morning, switching to pre-bed after the holidays.
• Retatrutide: 2 mg/week

PLANNED CYCLE (12-14 Weeks):

I want to keep it simple and safe for a first run and that is my starting idea (but I’m ready to destroy it )

• Testosterone Enanthate: 250 mg/week.
• Primobolan: 200 mg/week.
• HCG: 500 IU/week (to help keep testes active ?)
• Total: 450mg/week.


PCT PLAN (Seeking advice):
I want to secure my gains and recover my natural production (which i think is currently good).

• Start: 18 days after last pin.
• Protocol: Enclomiphene (25mg -> 12.5mg) + Nolvadex (20mg -> 10mg) for 4 weeks.
• Is this PCT protocol solid for a 12-14 week run?

TRAINING & DIET:
• Split: 4-Day PUSH/PULL (Strength & Posture focus).

DAY 1 - PUSH A :
• Chest Press Barbell 4x8
• Seated DB Shoulder Press 3x10
• Dips (Assisted/Weighted) 3x8-10
• Rear Lunges 3x12
• Core: Plank + Hollow Hold


DAY 2 - PULL A :
• Trap Bar Deadlift 4x6
• One Arm DB Row 3x10
• Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown 3x10-12
• Hip Thrust 3x12
• EZ Bar Curl 3x10

DAY 3 - PUSH B:
• Standing Military Press 4x6
• Incline DB Press 3x8
• Deficit Push-ups 3xMax
• Step-ups 3x10
• Core: Stability Ball Roll-out

DAY 4 - PULL B:
• Romanian Deadlift 4x8
• TRX/Bar Row 3x10
• Close Grip Cable Row 3x12
• Leg Curl 3x12
• Face Pulls 3x15

• Diet: Aiming for +500 kcal surplus. High Protein/High Carb.

QUESTIONS:
1. Is 12 weeks enough to solidify gains with Primobolan (I heard it shines in longer cycles)?
2. Any general tips? Better to stick just to Test?

P.S pictures coming next days

Thanks for the help!
Pep.

Welcome to the family bro!

Looks like a very smart very safe first cycle. You should get exactly what you're looking for. Solid gains that you can hold onto. I ran a pretty similar cycle for my first and kept pretty much everything I gained. I ran my first cycle for 16 weeks.

Training split looks really good too.

Its pretty cool that you found us from Italy. We actually have another Italian logger here as well @Simoneme

 

[Dreamer]

Hey,

thanks for the feedback!

I live in EU so i'm searching a good source at the moment, i still need to buy everything (except HGH and Reta that i already have), because i was searching for feedback on those: i was/am really unsure if try my first cycle with just Test or also Primo and the length of it.
I've the option to buy them from Driada, they should be serious and i bought from them in the past (not steroids).

About the diet, i'm currently below my TDEE that is 2500kcal, i think to aim for a +500cal surplus during the cycle with this partitioning:

• 3000 kcal
• 220g PRO
• 400g CHO
• 70g FAT

I usually eat 3 times a day (now it's really easy because i'm just back at my TDEE after a cut), but i think i'll need to eat more times to reach my calorie goal.

For supps, i didn't take anything until this Monday when i started to use creatine again (5g a day), omega 3, multivitamin but i don't use any of the one you listed

My complete analysis are this, sorry i can't post the image or pdf because it's not in English:


BLOODWORK RESULTS


COMPLETE BLOOD COUNT (CBC)

• White Blood Cells (WBC): 5.40 10^3/ul (Ref: 4.40 - 11.30)
• Red Blood Cells (RBC): 5.05 10^6/ul (Ref: 4.70 - 6.10)
• Hemoglobin (HGB): 15.1 g/dl (Ref: 14.0 - 18.0)
• Hematocrit (HCT): 48.4% (Ref: 42.0 - 52.0)
• MCV: 95.9 fL (Ref: 80.0 - 94.0) [HIGH]
• MCH: 29.8 pg (Ref: 25.0 - 33.0)
• MCHC: 31.1 g/dl (Ref: 31.0 - 36.0)
• RDW: 12.8% (Ref: 11.5 - 14.5)
• Platelets (PLT): 215 10^3/ul (Ref: 130 - 400)
• MPV: 8.4 fL (Ref: 7.2 - 11.1)

Leukocyte Formula:

• Neutrophils %: 50.1% (Ref: 40.0 - 74.0)
• Lymphocytes %: 43.1% (Ref: 19.0 - 48.0)
• Monocytes %: 4.4% (Ref: 3.4 - 9.0)
• Eosinophils %: 2.2% (Ref: 0.0 - 7.0)
• Basophils %: 0.3% (Ref: 0.0 - 1.5)
• Neutrophils (Abs): 2.71 x10^3/ul (Ref: 1.90 - 8.00)
• Lymphocytes (Abs): 2.33 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.90 - 5.20)
• Monocytes (Abs): 0.24 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.16 - 1.00)
• Eosinophils (Abs): 0.12 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.00 - 0.80)
• Basophils (Abs): 0.02 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.00 - 0.20)

METABOLIC & LIPID PANEL

• Albumin: 5.0 g/dl (Ref: 3.2 - 4.8) [HIGH]
• Total Cholesterol: 232 mg/dl (Ref: < 200) [HIGH]
• HDL Cholesterol: 59 mg/dl (Ref: >= 60 Optimal / 40-59 Moderate Risk)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: < 100 Optimal / 100-129 Near Optimal)

HORMONAL PANEL

• Prolactin: 5.18 ng/ml (Ref: 2.10 - 17.70)
• FSH: 5.52 mUI/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LH: 5.83 mUI/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/ml (Ref: < 39.8)
• Total Testosterone: 581.59 ng/dl (Ref: 164.94 - 753.38)
• SHBG: 29.51 nM/l (Ref: 11.54 - 54.49)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: AM 5.3 - 22.4)

THYROID PANEL

• TSH: 2.253 uUI/ml (Ref: 0.550 - 4.780)
• Total T3: 0.96 ng/ml (Ref: 0.35 - 1.93)
• Total T4: 6.57 μg/dl (Ref: 4.87 - 11.72)

---

Current Lifts (Weights are in lbs for your convenience but i use KGs):

PUSH PULL PUSH PULL
WORKOUT A

• Flat Bench Press: 4x8 - 45 lbs
• Shoulder Press: 3x10 - 35 lbs
• Close Grip Chest Press: 3x10 - 22 lbs (OR Triceps Pushdown: 15 lbs)
• Bulgarian Split Squats (Dumbbells): 3x12 - 27.5 lbs

WORKOUT B

• Dumbbell Deadlift: 4x6 - 65 lbs
• One-Arm Dumbbell Row: 3x10 - 40 lbs
• Lat Machine (Pulldown): 3x10-12 - 90 lbs
• Glute Bridge: 3x12 - 45 lbs
• EZ Bar Curl: 10 lbs (plus bar weight)

WORKOUT C

• Military Press: 22 lbs
• Incline Dumbbell Press: 40 lbs
• Elevated Push-ups: Max reps
• Dumbbell Step-ups: 35 lbs

WORKOUT D

• Romanian Deadlift (RDL): 4x8 - 55 lbs
• TRX Rows: 3x10 - Bodyweight
• Cable Row (Pulley): 3x12 - 90 lbs
• Bicep Curl: 3x12 - 90 lbs
• Face Pulls: 3x15 - 27.5 lbs

I'm currently feeling quite weak and have lost significant strength due to a recent aggressive cut.
Weight loss: Dropped from 176 lbs (80 kg) in September to 158 lbs (72 kg) today.

Thanks!

I am unsure this is enough training volume

 

[ceo]

Hi everyone,

Writing from Italy! This is going to be my very first cycle.

I have an ectomorph “hardgainer” body type. I’m naturally defined but lack muscle mass and struggle to gain weight.

My goal is keepable, permanent gains. I prefer quality tissue over water weight, and I would like to ensure a smooth recovery with a proper PCT

STATS:
• Age: 31
• Height: 184 cm (6’0”)
• Weight: 72 kg (158 lbs)
• Body Fat: ~10-11%
• Training Experience: Years of lifting, but never nailed the bulk diet consistently.

BASELINE BLOODWORK:
• Total Testosterone: 581 ng/dL (Ref: 164 - 753)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/mL (Ref: 11.8 - 48.9)
• LH: 5.83 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• FSH: 5.52 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: <130)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: 5.3 - 22.4)

CURRENT PROTOCOL:
• HGH: 2 IU/day. Currently morning, switching to pre-bed after the holidays.
• Retatrutide: 2 mg/week

PLANNED CYCLE (12-14 Weeks):

I want to keep it simple and safe for a first run and that is my starting idea (but I’m ready to destroy it )

• Testosterone Enanthate: 250 mg/week.
• Primobolan: 200 mg/week.
• HCG: 500 IU/week (to help keep testes active ?)
• Total: 450mg/week.


PCT PLAN (Seeking advice):
I want to secure my gains and recover my natural production (which i think is currently good).

• Start: 18 days after last pin.
• Protocol: Enclomiphene (25mg -> 12.5mg) + Nolvadex (20mg -> 10mg) for 4 weeks.
• Is this PCT protocol solid for a 12-14 week run?

TRAINING & DIET:
• Split: 4-Day PUSH/PULL (Strength & Posture focus).

DAY 1 - PUSH A :
• Chest Press Barbell 4x8
• Seated DB Shoulder Press 3x10
• Dips (Assisted/Weighted) 3x8-10
• Rear Lunges 3x12
• Core: Plank + Hollow Hold


DAY 2 - PULL A :
• Trap Bar Deadlift 4x6
• One Arm DB Row 3x10
• Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown 3x10-12
• Hip Thrust 3x12
• EZ Bar Curl 3x10

DAY 3 - PUSH B:
• Standing Military Press 4x6
• Incline DB Press 3x8
• Deficit Push-ups 3xMax
• Step-ups 3x10
• Core: Stability Ball Roll-out

DAY 4 - PULL B:
• Romanian Deadlift 4x8
• TRX/Bar Row 3x10
• Close Grip Cable Row 3x12
• Leg Curl 3x12
• Face Pulls 3x15

• Diet: Aiming for +500 kcal surplus. High Protein/High Carb.

QUESTIONS:
1. Is 12 weeks enough to solidify gains with Primobolan (I heard it shines in longer cycles)?
2. Any general tips? Better to stick just to Test?

P.S pictures coming next days

Thanks for the help!
Pep.

Bros, is this a good training split? @Pepty I like how you rotate between pushing and pulling. That's a good strategy.

 

[Mobster]

How international is Evo? Members from all over the world

 

[waggat]

Hi everyone,

Writing from Italy! This is going to be my very first cycle.

I have an ectomorph “hardgainer” body type. I’m naturally defined but lack muscle mass and struggle to gain weight.

My goal is keepable, permanent gains. I prefer quality tissue over water weight, and I would like to ensure a smooth recovery with a proper PCT

STATS:
• Age: 31
• Height: 184 cm (6’0”)
• Weight: 72 kg (158 lbs)
• Body Fat: ~10-11%
• Training Experience: Years of lifting, but never nailed the bulk diet consistently.

BASELINE BLOODWORK:
• Total Testosterone: 581 ng/dL (Ref: 164 - 753)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/mL (Ref: 11.8 - 48.9)
• LH: 5.83 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• FSH: 5.52 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: <130)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: 5.3 - 22.4)

CURRENT PROTOCOL:
• HGH: 2 IU/day. Currently morning, switching to pre-bed after the holidays.
• Retatrutide: 2 mg/week

PLANNED CYCLE (12-14 Weeks):

I want to keep it simple and safe for a first run and that is my starting idea (but I’m ready to destroy it )

• Testosterone Enanthate: 250 mg/week.
• Primobolan: 200 mg/week.
• HCG: 500 IU/week (to help keep testes active ?)
• Total: 450mg/week.


PCT PLAN (Seeking advice):
I want to secure my gains and recover my natural production (which i think is currently good).

• Start: 18 days after last pin.
• Protocol: Enclomiphene (25mg -> 12.5mg) + Nolvadex (20mg -> 10mg) for 4 weeks.
• Is this PCT protocol solid for a 12-14 week run?

TRAINING & DIET:
• Split: 4-Day PUSH/PULL (Strength & Posture focus).

DAY 1 - PUSH A :
• Chest Press Barbell 4x8
• Seated DB Shoulder Press 3x10
• Dips (Assisted/Weighted) 3x8-10
• Rear Lunges 3x12
• Core: Plank + Hollow Hold


DAY 2 - PULL A :
• Trap Bar Deadlift 4x6
• One Arm DB Row 3x10
• Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown 3x10-12
• Hip Thrust 3x12
• EZ Bar Curl 3x10

DAY 3 - PUSH B:
• Standing Military Press 4x6
• Incline DB Press 3x8
• Deficit Push-ups 3xMax
• Step-ups 3x10
• Core: Stability Ball Roll-out

DAY 4 - PULL B:
• Romanian Deadlift 4x8
• TRX/Bar Row 3x10
• Close Grip Cable Row 3x12
• Leg Curl 3x12
• Face Pulls 3x15

• Diet: Aiming for +500 kcal surplus. High Protein/High Carb.

QUESTIONS:
1. Is 12 weeks enough to solidify gains with Primobolan (I heard it shines in longer cycles)?
2. Any general tips? Better to stick just to Test?

P.S pictures coming next days

Thanks for the help!
Pep.

Welcome to Evo mate!

Nice start to your log. You have provided a lot of good information.

My thoughts on your split are that it's ok but just an upper/lower or push/pull/legs would be better. Doing one leg exercise per session probably isn't enough to properly stimulate growth. Also, is there any reason you aren't doing 'bigger bang for your buck' leg exercises?

Hello everyone,

Here i am!

I've spent this night reading "Underground Steroid Cycles Handbook" and i came across this "Advanced" cycle:

View attachment 159979
It seems really similar to the idea i had, the quantity are much higher (i thought to be under 500mg total each week).

Hi @Eddie Haskell, I'm attaching my current status, thanks for all your feedback feel free to judge me as bad as you can

Thanks!

You look pretty good. Definitely have a good base for growth.

How hard have you tried to gain weight in the past? Oftentimes people self sabotage by being scared of losing their abs.

 

[Simoneme]

Welcome to the family bro!

Looks like a very smart very safe first cycle. You should get exactly what you're looking for. Solid gains that you can hold onto. I ran a pretty similar cycle for my first and kept pretty much everything I gained. I ran my first cycle for 16 weeks.

Training split looks really good too.

Its pretty cool that you found us from Italy. We actually have another Italian logger here as well @Simoneme

Correct!
Ciao @Pepty se hai bisogno puoi scrivermi in privato, non sono il massimo esperto ma qualcosa ho fatto

 

[Phill]

stick to test only for your first cycle

 

[Phill]

Hi everyone,

Writing from Italy! This is going to be my very first cycle.

I have an ectomorph “hardgainer” body type. I’m naturally defined but lack muscle mass and struggle to gain weight.

My goal is keepable, permanent gains. I prefer quality tissue over water weight, and I would like to ensure a smooth recovery with a proper PCT

STATS:
• Age: 31
• Height: 184 cm (6’0”)
• Weight: 72 kg (158 lbs)
• Body Fat: ~10-11%
• Training Experience: Years of lifting, but never nailed the bulk diet consistently.

BASELINE BLOODWORK:
• Total Testosterone: 581 ng/dL (Ref: 164 - 753)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/mL (Ref: 11.8 - 48.9)
• LH: 5.83 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• FSH: 5.52 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: <130)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: 5.3 - 22.4)

CURRENT PROTOCOL:
• HGH: 2 IU/day. Currently morning, switching to pre-bed after the holidays.
• Retatrutide: 2 mg/week

PLANNED CYCLE (12-14 Weeks):

I want to keep it simple and safe for a first run and that is my starting idea (but I’m ready to destroy it )

• Testosterone Enanthate: 250 mg/week.
• Primobolan: 200 mg/week.
• HCG: 500 IU/week (to help keep testes active ?)
• Total: 450mg/week.


PCT PLAN (Seeking advice):
I want to secure my gains and recover my natural production (which i think is currently good).

• Start: 18 days after last pin.
• Protocol: Enclomiphene (25mg -> 12.5mg) + Nolvadex (20mg -> 10mg) for 4 weeks.
• Is this PCT protocol solid for a 12-14 week run?

TRAINING & DIET:
• Split: 4-Day PUSH/PULL (Strength & Posture focus).

DAY 1 - PUSH A :
• Chest Press Barbell 4x8
• Seated DB Shoulder Press 3x10
• Dips (Assisted/Weighted) 3x8-10
• Rear Lunges 3x12
• Core: Plank + Hollow Hold


DAY 2 - PULL A :
• Trap Bar Deadlift 4x6
• One Arm DB Row 3x10
• Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown 3x10-12
• Hip Thrust 3x12
• EZ Bar Curl 3x10

DAY 3 - PUSH B:
• Standing Military Press 4x6
• Incline DB Press 3x8
• Deficit Push-ups 3xMax
• Step-ups 3x10
• Core: Stability Ball Roll-out

DAY 4 - PULL B:
• Romanian Deadlift 4x8
• TRX/Bar Row 3x10
• Close Grip Cable Row 3x12
• Leg Curl 3x12
• Face Pulls 3x15

• Diet: Aiming for +500 kcal surplus. High Protein/High Carb.

QUESTIONS:
1. Is 12 weeks enough to solidify gains with Primobolan (I heard it shines in longer cycles)?
2. Any general tips? Better to stick just to Test?

P.S pictures coming next days

Thanks for the help!
Pep.

Yes, you can order from
https://puritysourcelabs.ru/
No problems with shipping to Italy (I can personally guarantee it )

 

[Simoneme]

Yes, you can order from
https://puritysourcelabs.ru/
No problems with shipping to Italy (I can personally guarantee it )

UP for psl, good stuff!
Spediscono e arriva tutto in Italia vai sereno

 

[ROIDDERS]

Hi everyone,

Writing from Italy! This is going to be my very first cycle.

I have an ectomorph “hardgainer” body type. I’m naturally defined but lack muscle mass and struggle to gain weight.

My goal is keepable, permanent gains. I prefer quality tissue over water weight, and I would like to ensure a smooth recovery with a proper PCT

STATS:
• Age: 31
• Height: 184 cm (6’0”)
• Weight: 72 kg (158 lbs)
• Body Fat: ~10-11%
• Training Experience: Years of lifting, but never nailed the bulk diet consistently.

BASELINE BLOODWORK:
• Total Testosterone: 581 ng/dL (Ref: 164 - 753)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/mL (Ref: 11.8 - 48.9)
• LH: 5.83 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• FSH: 5.52 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: <130)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: 5.3 - 22.4)

CURRENT PROTOCOL:
• HGH: 2 IU/day. Currently morning, switching to pre-bed after the holidays.
• Retatrutide: 2 mg/week

PLANNED CYCLE (12-14 Weeks):

I want to keep it simple and safe for a first run and that is my starting idea (but I’m ready to destroy it )

• Testosterone Enanthate: 250 mg/week.
• Primobolan: 200 mg/week.
• HCG: 500 IU/week (to help keep testes active ?)
• Total: 450mg/week.


PCT PLAN (Seeking advice):
I want to secure my gains and recover my natural production (which i think is currently good).

• Start: 18 days after last pin.
• Protocol: Enclomiphene (25mg -> 12.5mg) + Nolvadex (20mg -> 10mg) for 4 weeks.
• Is this PCT protocol solid for a 12-14 week run?

TRAINING & DIET:
• Split: 4-Day PUSH/PULL (Strength & Posture focus).

DAY 1 - PUSH A :
• Chest Press Barbell 4x8
• Seated DB Shoulder Press 3x10
• Dips (Assisted/Weighted) 3x8-10
• Rear Lunges 3x12
• Core: Plank + Hollow Hold


DAY 2 - PULL A :
• Trap Bar Deadlift 4x6
• One Arm DB Row 3x10
• Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown 3x10-12
• Hip Thrust 3x12
• EZ Bar Curl 3x10

DAY 3 - PUSH B:
• Standing Military Press 4x6
• Incline DB Press 3x8
• Deficit Push-ups 3xMax
• Step-ups 3x10
• Core: Stability Ball Roll-out

DAY 4 - PULL B:
• Romanian Deadlift 4x8
• TRX/Bar Row 3x10
• Close Grip Cable Row 3x12
• Leg Curl 3x12
• Face Pulls 3x15

• Diet: Aiming for +500 kcal surplus. High Protein/High Carb.

QUESTIONS:
1. Is 12 weeks enough to solidify gains with Primobolan (I heard it shines in longer cycles)?
2. Any general tips? Better to stick just to Test?

P.S pictures coming next days

Thanks for the help!
Pep.

@Pepty nice job on the pushing and pulling workouts. This is excellent. Keep up the good work. I like the hip thrust and easy bar curl.

 

[2Thick]

Hi everyone,

Writing from Italy! This is going to be my very first cycle.

I have an ectomorph “hardgainer” body type. I’m naturally defined but lack muscle mass and struggle to gain weight.

My goal is keepable, permanent gains. I prefer quality tissue over water weight, and I would like to ensure a smooth recovery with a proper PCT

STATS:
• Age: 31
• Height: 184 cm (6’0”)
• Weight: 72 kg (158 lbs)
• Body Fat: ~10-11%
• Training Experience: Years of lifting, but never nailed the bulk diet consistently.

BASELINE BLOODWORK:
• Total Testosterone: 581 ng/dL (Ref: 164 - 753)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/mL (Ref: 11.8 - 48.9)
• LH: 5.83 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• FSH: 5.52 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: <130)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: 5.3 - 22.4)

CURRENT PROTOCOL:
• HGH: 2 IU/day. Currently morning, switching to pre-bed after the holidays.
• Retatrutide: 2 mg/week

PLANNED CYCLE (12-14 Weeks):

I want to keep it simple and safe for a first run and that is my starting idea (but I’m ready to destroy it )

• Testosterone Enanthate: 250 mg/week.
• Primobolan: 200 mg/week.
• HCG: 500 IU/week (to help keep testes active ?)
• Total: 450mg/week.


PCT PLAN (Seeking advice):
I want to secure my gains and recover my natural production (which i think is currently good).

• Start: 18 days after last pin.
• Protocol: Enclomiphene (25mg -> 12.5mg) + Nolvadex (20mg -> 10mg) for 4 weeks.
• Is this PCT protocol solid for a 12-14 week run?

TRAINING & DIET:
• Split: 4-Day PUSH/PULL (Strength & Posture focus).

DAY 1 - PUSH A :
• Chest Press Barbell 4x8
• Seated DB Shoulder Press 3x10
• Dips (Assisted/Weighted) 3x8-10
• Rear Lunges 3x12
• Core: Plank + Hollow Hold


DAY 2 - PULL A :
• Trap Bar Deadlift 4x6
• One Arm DB Row 3x10
• Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown 3x10-12
• Hip Thrust 3x12
• EZ Bar Curl 3x10

DAY 3 - PUSH B:
• Standing Military Press 4x6
• Incline DB Press 3x8
• Deficit Push-ups 3xMax
• Step-ups 3x10
• Core: Stability Ball Roll-out

DAY 4 - PULL B:
• Romanian Deadlift 4x8
• TRX/Bar Row 3x10
• Close Grip Cable Row 3x12
• Leg Curl 3x12
• Face Pulls 3x15

• Diet: Aiming for +500 kcal surplus. High Protein/High Carb.

QUESTIONS:
1. Is 12 weeks enough to solidify gains with Primobolan (I heard it shines in longer cycles)?
2. Any general tips? Better to stick just to Test?

P.S pictures coming next days

Thanks for the help!
Pep.

Welcome to the Evo family. Maybe you can drop some Italian words and teach us some Italian along the way. This looks fantastic, man. Primo is definitely something that's cool. You definitely want to try it out at some point. There's a lot of cool steroids out there to try. @Pepty

 

[HarleyGuy]

Hi everyone,

Writing from Italy! This is going to be my very first cycle.

I have an ectomorph “hardgainer” body type. I’m naturally defined but lack muscle mass and struggle to gain weight.

My goal is keepable, permanent gains. I prefer quality tissue over water weight, and I would like to ensure a smooth recovery with a proper PCT

STATS:
• Age: 31
• Height: 184 cm (6’0”)
• Weight: 72 kg (158 lbs)
• Body Fat: ~10-11%
• Training Experience: Years of lifting, but never nailed the bulk diet consistently.

BASELINE BLOODWORK:
• Total Testosterone: 581 ng/dL (Ref: 164 - 753)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/mL (Ref: 11.8 - 48.9)
• LH: 5.83 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• FSH: 5.52 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: <130)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: 5.3 - 22.4)

CURRENT PROTOCOL:
• HGH: 2 IU/day. Currently morning, switching to pre-bed after the holidays.
• Retatrutide: 2 mg/week

PLANNED CYCLE (12-14 Weeks):

I want to keep it simple and safe for a first run and that is my starting idea (but I’m ready to destroy it )

• Testosterone Enanthate: 250 mg/week.
• Primobolan: 200 mg/week.
• HCG: 500 IU/week (to help keep testes active ?)
• Total: 450mg/week.


PCT PLAN (Seeking advice):
I want to secure my gains and recover my natural production (which i think is currently good).

• Start: 18 days after last pin.
• Protocol: Enclomiphene (25mg -> 12.5mg) + Nolvadex (20mg -> 10mg) for 4 weeks.
• Is this PCT protocol solid for a 12-14 week run?

TRAINING & DIET:
• Split: 4-Day PUSH/PULL (Strength & Posture focus).

DAY 1 - PUSH A :
• Chest Press Barbell 4x8
• Seated DB Shoulder Press 3x10
• Dips (Assisted/Weighted) 3x8-10
• Rear Lunges 3x12
• Core: Plank + Hollow Hold


DAY 2 - PULL A :
• Trap Bar Deadlift 4x6
• One Arm DB Row 3x10
• Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown 3x10-12
• Hip Thrust 3x12
• EZ Bar Curl 3x10

DAY 3 - PUSH B:
• Standing Military Press 4x6
• Incline DB Press 3x8
• Deficit Push-ups 3xMax
• Step-ups 3x10
• Core: Stability Ball Roll-out

DAY 4 - PULL B:
• Romanian Deadlift 4x8
• TRX/Bar Row 3x10
• Close Grip Cable Row 3x12
• Leg Curl 3x12
• Face Pulls 3x15

• Diet: Aiming for +500 kcal surplus. High Protein/High Carb.

QUESTIONS:
1. Is 12 weeks enough to solidify gains with Primobolan (I heard it shines in longer cycles)?
2. Any general tips? Better to stick just to Test?

P.S pictures coming next days

Thanks for the help!
Pep.

Welcome to EVO brother!

Great to see another Italy member logging on here!

1. Is 12 weeks enough to solidify gains with Primobolan (I heard it shines in longer cycles)?
2. Any general tips? Better to stick just to Test?

1. Primo works well when run over long periods and be run for 16 weeks
2. With your base and as a first cycle I think Test only is a good start. This is just beginning of your journey and there's no rush. You can add primo if you really want to though.

What have you decided regarding when to get bloodwork and an AI if your Test dose shows high e2? Some users aromatize dramatically even on 250mgs.

I also don't think you need the HCG on cycle. You can order HCGenerate and also run N2Guard on cycle for organ support and it will keep your bloodwork markers healthier. I run N2Guard all year round.

 

[toddthelineman]

I like it. I do think that the primo won’t really be noticeable other than very likely helping with the e2 which was definitely an issue with me running hcg. Debatable that hcg is necessary but I liked using it. Adding it to testosterone will have your blood levels much higher than 250mg of testosterone alone. I can’t comment on pct as I’ve never pct’d myself. It would probably be simpler, cheaper, and more effective to run higher testosterone, hcg maybe, and aromasin. You’re going to get results that’s for sure. You already have a great start, good bloodwork, etc. so you’ll probably start growing size and strength within the first or second week. You’ll like it and you may not want to come off, that’s what happened to me. But you should I think. When you come off, it’s going to mess with you psychologically to lose your gains but assuming you make a good pct recovery (you will) I do think that you’ll be bigger and stronger then before you started once you recover. And you’re not that hard of a gainer, you look great! This is going to be a great log!

 

[Pepty]

That's easy, use Puritysourcelabs.ru @Pepty
https://puritysourcelabs.ru/
Team PSL is legit always on EVO and easy shipping to Italy
@~Vision~ @Phill

thats fine but the issue no foods listed, get myfitness pal app or another we need to see actual foods
just looking at diet now you need over 250 protein

get a bottle of n2guard for cycle support use ed and start using digestive aids probiotics digestive enzymes psyllium husk ed

thank you for sharing but please share actual bloods with your info blurred, the paper thanks

Good push pull but thats hard to say if you're doing it ed
example workout C how many sets and reps? and cardio?


@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

Hey guys,

had to take some time to answer to you all, I didn't expect all this support.. so.. grazie mille fratelli! Happy to represent Italy here!


@rizzlekdizzle:
Hey thanks!
I will probably need to lower Reta to be able to eat all those calories ^^'


@LevButlerov:
Thanks for checking the routine and for the questions!
To clarify, I’m running a 4-Day Split (Push A / Pull A / Rest / Push B / Pull B / Rest / Rest).
Regarding cardio, I do 20 mins of LISS (incline walking) after every workout to keep heart health in check, especially with the extra water weight from GH.


About the sets/reps you asked:
For the main compounds (Deadlift, Military, Bench), I stick to the 4x6-8 range to focus on strength recovery since my cut.
For accessories (Lateral raises, Arms), I go higher volume (3x12-15).
Do you think this volume is enough for an enhanced run, or should I bump it up slightly since recovery will be better?

Day C:

• Military Press: 4x6 - 22 lbs
• Incline Dumbbell Press: 3x8 40 lbs
• Elevated Push-ups: Max reps
• Dumbbell Step-ups: 3x10 35 lbs

Attached you can find the original bloodwork, sorry that they're in Italian!


Diet:
I will stick to a high-calorie Mediterranean approach (being Italian, I can't escape it! ).
Sources: Lots of Pasta/Rice, Oats, Chicken breast, Lean Beef, Olive Oil (EVO), Fish and veggies.
I don't eat "dirty" stuff at all, and always had a super clean diet. I don't like processed foods honestly.
Consider that I'm not used to eating a lot, I always skip breakfast (due to IF), but I understand it will be impossible to hit 3000+ kcal in just 2 meals, so I will re-introduce breakfast.
I plan to center my Carbs around the workout (Pre/Post) and keep dinner mostly Protein/Fats/Veggies, so I can leverage the GH lipolysis effect during the night.


@stevesmi:
I appreciate your help..
I was planning for 12-16 weeks because i've read that Primo has to be run for a few more weeks for major benefits (compared to Testo), is it wrong?
I'm all ears about your ideas!
BTW: i've saw you're thread about Fasting, I'm a big fan of fasting too (normally I do 16:8).
Thanks!


@HarleyGuy:
I appreciate your feedback!
Regarding your points:

• Length: Yeah, I heard Primo shines later. If I run it, I might extend to 14-16 weeks if bloodwork looks good at week 8.
• Test Only vs Stack: I’m torn. Part of me wants to keep it simple with Test Only, but the other part wants the "dry" look and E2 management benefits of Primo.

About your question on Bloodwork & AI:
My plan:

• AI: I'll get Arimidex on hand (0.25mg tabs ready), but I will NOT take it preventively.
• Monitoring: I will check blood pressure and water retention daily.
• Bloodwork: I plan to get full labs done at Week 5 (when levels should be stable?).
  • If E2 is high (>80 pg/ml) AND I have symptoms (itchy nipples/bloat) -> I'll dose Arimidex 0.25mg EOD.
  • If E2 is high but I feel great -> I won't touch it.

Does that sound like a solid strategy to you? I want to avoid crashing my E2 by taking AI blindly.

Thanks for the info about N2Guard and HCGenerate!


@Phill:
Thanks for confirming the shipping to Italy, that's a huge relief.
I was browsing the store but I couldn't find Primobolan in stock at the moment, do you know when it will be back?
My plan was to run Test + Primo (approx 300mg Test / 200mg Primo) to keep gains lean and manage estrogen easier.


Would you recommend just running Test solo at 500mg for a beginner if Primo is out? My goal here is to "safely" push my first cycle as best as I can and plan it carefully to leverage the results of the first cycle (which I know is the most impactful).


Looking forward to placing the order once I decide on the compounds!


@Simoneme:
Grazie mille per l'aiuto!
Ho dato un'occhiata al catalogo, ma il Primo non è disponibile per il momento, aspetto news da Phill!
A prestissimo!


@toddthelineman:

Man, thank you for the kind words and the raw honesty.... truly appreciated.

That's actually my biggest fear, not the needle, but the day I have to stop. I know the feeling of losing the "superman" status will be tough mentally

That's exactly why I'm considering extending the cycle to 16 weeks.

My logic is this: I want to overshoot my goal.

If I stop exactly when I see the physique I want in the mirror, the inevitable post-cycle loss (water/glycogen) will leave me feeling small and disappointed but if I ppush for extra gains during a longer 16-week run, even after losing 30-40% during PCT, I should land exactly on my wanted physique. I think this "buffer strategy" might help soften the psychological blow of coming off, but this could be my stupid idea!


Regarding Primo/Test:
Interesting take on Primo. If 200mg is too subtle for mass but good for E2 control, maybe the 350 Test / 250 Primo sweet spot is better? Or just stick to Test + AI if needed as you suggested (cheaper for sure).
I will probably keep HCG in the mix (maybe just 250iu 2x/week) to keep the boys alive for an easier recovery.

Thanks again for saying I have a good base, sometimes body dysmorphia makes us blind to our own progress!

Looking forward to sharing the gains with you guys.

 

[Simoneme]

Hey,

thanks for the feedback!

I live in EU so i'm searching a good source at the moment, i still need to buy everything (except HGH and Reta that i already have), because i was searching for feedback on those: i was/am really unsure if try my first cycle with just Test or also Primo and the length of it.
I've the option to buy them from Driada, they should be serious and i bought from them in the past (not steroids).

About the diet, i'm currently below my TDEE that is 2500kcal, i think to aim for a +500cal surplus during the cycle with this partitioning:

• 3000 kcal
• 220g PRO
• 400g CHO
• 70g FAT

I usually eat 3 times a day (now it's really easy because i'm just back at my TDEE after a cut), but i think i'll need to eat more times to reach my calorie goal.

For supps, i didn't take anything until this Monday when i started to use creatine again (5g a day), omega 3, multivitamin but i don't use any of the one you listed

My complete analysis are this, sorry i can't post the image or pdf because it's not in English:


BLOODWORK RESULTS


COMPLETE BLOOD COUNT (CBC)

• White Blood Cells (WBC): 5.40 10^3/ul (Ref: 4.40 - 11.30)
• Red Blood Cells (RBC): 5.05 10^6/ul (Ref: 4.70 - 6.10)
• Hemoglobin (HGB): 15.1 g/dl (Ref: 14.0 - 18.0)
• Hematocrit (HCT): 48.4% (Ref: 42.0 - 52.0)
• MCV: 95.9 fL (Ref: 80.0 - 94.0) [HIGH]
• MCH: 29.8 pg (Ref: 25.0 - 33.0)
• MCHC: 31.1 g/dl (Ref: 31.0 - 36.0)
• RDW: 12.8% (Ref: 11.5 - 14.5)
• Platelets (PLT): 215 10^3/ul (Ref: 130 - 400)
• MPV: 8.4 fL (Ref: 7.2 - 11.1)

Leukocyte Formula:

• Neutrophils %: 50.1% (Ref: 40.0 - 74.0)
• Lymphocytes %: 43.1% (Ref: 19.0 - 48.0)
• Monocytes %: 4.4% (Ref: 3.4 - 9.0)
• Eosinophils %: 2.2% (Ref: 0.0 - 7.0)
• Basophils %: 0.3% (Ref: 0.0 - 1.5)
• Neutrophils (Abs): 2.71 x10^3/ul (Ref: 1.90 - 8.00)
• Lymphocytes (Abs): 2.33 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.90 - 5.20)
• Monocytes (Abs): 0.24 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.16 - 1.00)
• Eosinophils (Abs): 0.12 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.00 - 0.80)
• Basophils (Abs): 0.02 x10^3/ul (Ref: 0.00 - 0.20)

METABOLIC & LIPID PANEL

• Albumin: 5.0 g/dl (Ref: 3.2 - 4.8) [HIGH]
• Total Cholesterol: 232 mg/dl (Ref: < 200) [HIGH]
• HDL Cholesterol: 59 mg/dl (Ref: >= 60 Optimal / 40-59 Moderate Risk)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: < 100 Optimal / 100-129 Near Optimal)

HORMONAL PANEL

• Prolactin: 5.18 ng/ml (Ref: 2.10 - 17.70)
• FSH: 5.52 mUI/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LH: 5.83 mUI/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/ml (Ref: < 39.8)
• Total Testosterone: 581.59 ng/dl (Ref: 164.94 - 753.38)
• SHBG: 29.51 nM/l (Ref: 11.54 - 54.49)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: AM 5.3 - 22.4)

THYROID PANEL

• TSH: 2.253 uUI/ml (Ref: 0.550 - 4.780)
• Total T3: 0.96 ng/ml (Ref: 0.35 - 1.93)
• Total T4: 6.57 μg/dl (Ref: 4.87 - 11.72)

---

Current Lifts (Weights are in lbs for your convenience but i use KGs):

PUSH PULL PUSH PULL
WORKOUT A

• Flat Bench Press: 4x8 - 45 lbs
• Shoulder Press: 3x10 - 35 lbs
• Close Grip Chest Press: 3x10 - 22 lbs (OR Triceps Pushdown: 15 lbs)
• Bulgarian Split Squats (Dumbbells): 3x12 - 27.5 lbs

WORKOUT B

• Dumbbell Deadlift: 4x6 - 65 lbs
• One-Arm Dumbbell Row: 3x10 - 40 lbs
• Lat Machine (Pulldown): 3x10-12 - 90 lbs
• Glute Bridge: 3x12 - 45 lbs
• EZ Bar Curl: 10 lbs (plus bar weight)

WORKOUT C

• Military Press: 22 lbs
• Incline Dumbbell Press: 40 lbs
• Elevated Push-ups: Max reps
• Dumbbell Step-ups: 35 lbs

WORKOUT D

• Romanian Deadlift (RDL): 4x8 - 55 lbs
• TRX Rows: 3x10 - Bodyweight
• Cable Row (Pulley): 3x12 - 90 lbs
• Bicep Curl: 3x12 - 90 lbs
• Face Pulls: 3x15 - 27.5 lbs

I'm currently feeling quite weak and have lost significant strength due to a recent aggressive cut.
Weight loss: Dropped from 176 lbs (80 kg) in September to 158 lbs (72 kg) today.

Thanks!

Per la PCT anche io la pensavo come te.
Ho fatto un giro di testo e poi PCT ma é stata molto dura e ho perso il 20% che avevo guadagnato in termini di forza . Infatti adesso sono in self trt e va tutto estremamente bene. Io non avrò figli per cui non mi serve fare PCT, sono curioso di vedere a giugno quando finisco il blast di testo deca boldenone come va col TRT

 

[toddthelineman]

Interesting take on Primo. If 200mg is too subtle for mass but good for E2 control, maybe the 350 Test / 250 Primo sweet spot is better

Let me put it this way: I was eager to use primo ever since I heard about it. I ordered it a handful of times and was responded to with emails like “sorry brother, we’re just sold out” and I successfully ordered it twice and it was seized. I finally got some and used it recently at 350mg a week. I couldn’t even tell I was taking anything other than I knew I would be having e2 side effects but I was not. So that was a good thing, but it just didn’t contribute to any noticeable gains. There’s other reasons for that, like my training was badly interrupted, but nevertheless, I think you would be wise to skip it for your first cycle. It will confuse things. You want this to be very simple, you want to know what the testosterone is doing for you and how you react to it before you add anything. It will be building up and changing your results and sides mid cycle and you won’t be able to pinpoint what’s doing what as easily, although with the gurus here you likely would be able to figure it out, but there’s just no need. Aromasin is what you want, I’m confident in that. An oral like anavar or (my personal preference) winstrol will give you a very noticeable effect with zero aromatization if you’re really looking to get the most out of your first cycle, but even that will be unnecessary because you’re starting off from such a good place that you WILL get great gains. Already training well, eating well, good physique, AND already on GH. The only thing that could trip you up is over complicating it

 

[HarleyGuy]

Hey guys,

had to take some time to answer to you all, I didn't expect all this support.. so.. grazie mille fratelli! Happy to represent Italy here!


@rizzlekdizzle:
Hey thanks!
I will probably need to lower Reta to be able to eat all those calories ^^'


@LevButlerov:
Thanks for checking the routine and for the questions!
To clarify, I’m running a 4-Day Split (Push A / Pull A / Rest / Push B / Pull B / Rest / Rest).
Regarding cardio, I do 20 mins of LISS (incline walking) after every workout to keep heart health in check, especially with the extra water weight from GH.


About the sets/reps you asked:
For the main compounds (Deadlift, Military, Bench), I stick to the 4x6-8 range to focus on strength recovery since my cut.
For accessories (Lateral raises, Arms), I go higher volume (3x12-15).
Do you think this volume is enough for an enhanced run, or should I bump it up slightly since recovery will be better?

Day C:

• Military Press: 4x6 - 22 lbs
• Incline Dumbbell Press: 3x8 40 lbs
• Elevated Push-ups: Max reps
• Dumbbell Step-ups: 3x10 35 lbs

Attached you can find the original bloodwork, sorry that they're in Italian!


Diet:
I will stick to a high-calorie Mediterranean approach (being Italian, I can't escape it! ).
Sources: Lots of Pasta/Rice, Oats, Chicken breast, Lean Beef, Olive Oil (EVO), Fish and veggies.
I don't eat "dirty" stuff at all, and always had a super clean diet. I don't like processed foods honestly.
Consider that I'm not used to eating a lot, I always skip breakfast (due to IF), but I understand it will be impossible to hit 3000+ kcal in just 2 meals, so I will re-introduce breakfast.
I plan to center my Carbs around the workout (Pre/Post) and keep dinner mostly Protein/Fats/Veggies, so I can leverage the GH lipolysis effect during the night.


@stevesmi:
I appreciate your help..
I was planning for 12-16 weeks because i've read that Primo has to be run for a few more weeks for major benefits (compared to Testo), is it wrong?
I'm all ears about your ideas!
BTW: i've saw you're thread about Fasting, I'm a big fan of fasting too (normally I do 16:8).
Thanks!


@HarleyGuy:
I appreciate your feedback!
Regarding your points:

• Length: Yeah, I heard Primo shines later. If I run it, I might extend to 14-16 weeks if bloodwork looks good at week 8.
• Test Only vs Stack: I’m torn. Part of me wants to keep it simple with Test Only, but the other part wants the "dry" look and E2 management benefits of Primo.

About your question on Bloodwork & AI:
My plan:

• AI: I'll get Arimidex on hand (0.25mg tabs ready), but I will NOT take it preventively.
• Monitoring: I will check blood pressure and water retention daily.
• Bloodwork: I plan to get full labs done at Week 5(when levels should be stable?).
  • If E2 is high (>80 pg/ml) AND I have symptoms (itchy nipples/bloat) -> I'll dose Arimidex 0.25mg EOD.
  • If E2 is high but I feel great -> I won't touch it.

Does that sound like a solid strategy to you? I want to avoid crashing my E2 by taking AI blindly.

Thanks for the info about N2Guard and HCGenerate!


@Phill:
Thanks for confirming the shipping to Italy, that's a huge relief.
I was browsing the store but I couldn't find Primobolan in stock at the moment, do you know when it will be back?
My plan was to run Test + Primo (approx 300mg Test / 200mg Primo) to keep gains lean and manage estrogen easier.


Would you recommend just running Test solo at 500mg for a beginner if Primo is out? My goal here is to "safely" push my first cycle as best as I can and plan it carefully to leverage the results of the first cycle (which I know is the most impactful).


Looking forward to placing the order once I decide on the compounds!


@Simoneme:
Grazie mille per l'aiuto!
Ho dato un'occhiata al catalogo, ma il Primo non è disponibile per il momento, aspetto news da Phill!
A prestissimo!


@toddthelineman:

Man, thank you for the kind words and the raw honesty.... truly appreciated.

That's actually my biggest fear, not the needle, but the day I have to stop. I know the feeling of losing the "superman" status will be tough mentally

That's exactly why I'm considering extending the cycle to 16 weeks.

My logic is this: I want to overshoot my goal.

If I stop exactly when I see the physique I want in the mirror, the inevitable post-cycle loss (water/glycogen) will leave me feeling small and disappointed but if I ppush for extra gains during a longer 16-week run, even after losing 30-40% during PCT, I should land exactly on my wanted physique. I think this "buffer strategy" might help soften the psychological blow of coming off, but this could be my stupid idea!


Regarding Primo/Test:
Interesting take on Primo. If 200mg is too subtle for mass but good for E2 control, maybe the 350 Test / 250 Primo sweet spot is better? Or just stick to Test + AI if needed as you suggested (cheaper for sure).
I will probably keep HCG in the mix (maybe just 250iu 2x/week) to keep the boys alive for an easier recovery.

Thanks again for saying I have a good base, sometimes body dysmorphia makes us blind to our own progress!

Looking forward to sharing the gains with you guys.

Listen to @toddthelineman, you don't need Primo, honestly. Especially as a first cycle and how organized and detailed you are. I wish more members and first timers were more like you and willing to start with just a nice long test only cycle so you can start the journey of seeing what compounds do what for you and how you respond. Bloods at week 5 is good.

Let's see how you respond to a Test only cycle and worry about DHT and Nandrolone compounds later on. This is the start of your journey so let's make it really work. The dry lean mass gain look can be obtained with a Test only cycle if you don't overdo it which it seems like you're not intending to (assuming you're eating for this goal). The hard dry look can be obtained later with EQ (which converts via 5a-reductase to DHB) and helps control e2 as well but this is for another time. Later down the road Masteron also helps with this look.

I'll get Arimidex on hand (0.25mg tabs ready), but I will NOT take it preventively.

If your e2 comes in high then have Aromasin on hand, not Arimidex. Arimidex is powerful and more of a "break glass in case of emergency" kind of AI and has rebound effects. Aromasin will be a smooth e2 reduction and give you a softer landing when you don't need it anymore.

Does that sound like a solid strategy to you? I want to avoid crashing my E2 by taking AI blindly.

Yes if your intention is to get bloodwork this is a good strategy. Have the aromasin on hand and we'll get bloods during week 5 like you want and we'll go from there. Going by "feel" isn't something you can do yet as you're so new to this and over the years you'll get to know but I've been doing it 25 years and I still use bloodwork to truly decide if an AI is needed regardless of how I feel. Having said that I know when it's low and I know when it's high and am usually correct but have been wrong too. You definitely don't want low e2 and in fact want it in the mid/high range especially if using GH and it needs e2 for conversion to IGF1.

It's good you're so keen on planning out this first cycle as detailed as you are before deciding on the compounds and dosing. I'll leave the final dosing for (in my opinion what should be) you test only cycle to @LevButlerov

 

[toddthelineman]

The hard dry look can be obtained later with EQ

Oooo I forgot one thing. The two times that I came off completely… I thought I already looked dry and grainy. No I didn’t! When the test cleared my skin looked like Saran Wrap. I looked like an anatomy model for some kind of medical school or something lol. If you’re lean, that little layer of water goes away and you look crazy! Pretty cool bonus for coming off if you ask me

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov:
Thanks for checking the routine and for the questions!
To clarify, I’m running a 4-Day Split (Push A / Pull A / Rest / Push B / Pull B / Rest / Rest).
Regarding cardio, I do 20 mins of LISS (incline walking) after every workout to keep heart health in check, especially with the extra water weight from GH.


About the sets/reps you asked:
For the main compounds (Deadlift, Military, Bench), I stick to the 4x6-8 range to focus on strength recovery since my cut.
For accessories (Lateral raises, Arms), I go higher volume (3x12-15).
Do you think this volume is enough for an enhanced run, or should I bump it up slightly since recovery will be better?

Day C:

• Military Press: 4x6 - 22 lbs
• Incline Dumbbell Press: 3x8 40 lbs
• Elevated Push-ups: Max reps
• Dumbbell Step-ups: 3x10 35 lbs

Attached you can find the original bloodwork, sorry that they're in Italian!


Diet:
I will stick to a high-calorie Mediterranean approach (being Italian, I can't escape it! ).
Sources: Lots of Pasta/Rice, Oats, Chicken breast, Lean Beef, Olive Oil (EVO), Fish and veggies.
I don't eat "dirty" stuff at all, and always had a super clean diet. I don't like processed foods honestly.
Consider that I'm not used to eating a lot, I always skip breakfast (due to IF), but I understand it will be impossible to hit 3000+ kcal in just 2 meals, so I will re-introduce breakfast.
I plan to center my Carbs around the workout (Pre/Post) and keep dinner mostly Protein/Fats/Veggies, so I can leverage the GH lipolysis effect during the night.

thanks for sharing can you start putting up actual foods and macros from myfitnesspal? @Pepty

 

[LevButlerov]

Per la PCT anche io la pensavo come te.
Ho fatto un giro di testo e poi PCT ma é stata molto dura e ho perso il 20% che avevo guadagnato in termini di forza . Infatti adesso sono in self trt e va tutto estremamente bene. Io non avrò figli per cui non mi serve fare PCT, sono curioso di vedere a giugno quando finisco il blast di testo deca boldenone come va col TRT

Thank you @Simoneme we need the help in Italian

 

[ballin2504]

Hi everyone,

Writing from Italy! This is going to be my very first cycle.

I have an ectomorph “hardgainer” body type. I’m naturally defined but lack muscle mass and struggle to gain weight.

My goal is keepable, permanent gains. I prefer quality tissue over water weight, and I would like to ensure a smooth recovery with a proper PCT

STATS:
• Age: 31
• Height: 184 cm (6’0”)
• Weight: 72 kg (158 lbs)
• Body Fat: ~10-11%
• Training Experience: Years of lifting, but never nailed the bulk diet consistently.

BASELINE BLOODWORK:
• Total Testosterone: 581 ng/dL (Ref: 164 - 753)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/mL (Ref: 11.8 - 48.9)
• LH: 5.83 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• FSH: 5.52 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: <130)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: 5.3 - 22.4)

CURRENT PROTOCOL:
• HGH: 2 IU/day. Currently morning, switching to pre-bed after the holidays.
• Retatrutide: 2 mg/week

PLANNED CYCLE (12-14 Weeks):

I want to keep it simple and safe for a first run and that is my starting idea (but I’m ready to destroy it )

• Testosterone Enanthate: 250 mg/week.
• Primobolan: 200 mg/week.
• HCG: 500 IU/week (to help keep testes active ?)
• Total: 450mg/week.


PCT PLAN (Seeking advice):
I want to secure my gains and recover my natural production (which i think is currently good).

• Start: 18 days after last pin.
• Protocol: Enclomiphene (25mg -> 12.5mg) + Nolvadex (20mg -> 10mg) for 4 weeks.
• Is this PCT protocol solid for a 12-14 week run?

TRAINING & DIET:
• Split: 4-Day PUSH/PULL (Strength & Posture focus).

DAY 1 - PUSH A :
• Chest Press Barbell 4x8
• Seated DB Shoulder Press 3x10
• Dips (Assisted/Weighted) 3x8-10
• Rear Lunges 3x12
• Core: Plank + Hollow Hold


DAY 2 - PULL A :
• Trap Bar Deadlift 4x6
• One Arm DB Row 3x10
• Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown 3x10-12
• Hip Thrust 3x12
• EZ Bar Curl 3x10

DAY 3 - PUSH B:
• Standing Military Press 4x6
• Incline DB Press 3x8
• Deficit Push-ups 3xMax
• Step-ups 3x10
• Core: Stability Ball Roll-out

DAY 4 - PULL B:
• Romanian Deadlift 4x8
• TRX/Bar Row 3x10
• Close Grip Cable Row 3x12
• Leg Curl 3x12
• Face Pulls 3x15

• Diet: Aiming for +500 kcal surplus. High Protein/High Carb.

QUESTIONS:
1. Is 12 weeks enough to solidify gains with Primobolan (I heard it shines in longer cycles)?
2. Any general tips? Better to stick just to Test?

P.S pictures coming next days

Thanks for the help!
Pep.

@Pepty i’m glad to have you on the EVO forms, man. Let’s get it.

 

[BigVelvetG]

Great log with lots of good info here already. This is making me rethink my second cycle which was going to be test and primo. Now I’m leaning more towards a test only cycle. I’ll be watching you

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

Hi everyone,

Writing from Italy! This is going to be my very first cycle.

I have an ectomorph “hardgainer” body type. I’m naturally defined but lack muscle mass and struggle to gain weight.

My goal is keepable, permanent gains. I prefer quality tissue over water weight, and I would like to ensure a smooth recovery with a proper PCT

STATS:
• Age: 31
• Height: 184 cm (6’0”)
• Weight: 72 kg (158 lbs)
• Body Fat: ~10-11%
• Training Experience: Years of lifting, but never nailed the bulk diet consistently.

BASELINE BLOODWORK:
• Total Testosterone: 581 ng/dL (Ref: 164 - 753)
• Estradiol (E2): 35.7 pg/mL (Ref: 11.8 - 48.9)
• LH: 5.83 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.5 - 10.0)
• FSH: 5.52 mIU/ml (Ref: 1.4 - 18.1)
• LDL Cholesterol: 125 mg/dl (Ref: <130)
• Cortisol: 17.1 mcg/dl (Ref: 5.3 - 22.4)

CURRENT PROTOCOL:
• HGH: 2 IU/day. Currently morning, switching to pre-bed after the holidays.
• Retatrutide: 2 mg/week

PLANNED CYCLE (12-14 Weeks):

I want to keep it simple and safe for a first run and that is my starting idea (but I’m ready to destroy it )

• Testosterone Enanthate: 250 mg/week.
• Primobolan: 200 mg/week.
• HCG: 500 IU/week (to help keep testes active ?)
• Total: 450mg/week.


PCT PLAN (Seeking advice):
I want to secure my gains and recover my natural production (which i think is currently good).

• Start: 18 days after last pin.
• Protocol: Enclomiphene (25mg -> 12.5mg) + Nolvadex (20mg -> 10mg) for 4 weeks.
• Is this PCT protocol solid for a 12-14 week run?

TRAINING & DIET:
• Split: 4-Day PUSH/PULL (Strength & Posture focus).

DAY 1 - PUSH A :
• Chest Press Barbell 4x8
• Seated DB Shoulder Press 3x10
• Dips (Assisted/Weighted) 3x8-10
• Rear Lunges 3x12
• Core: Plank + Hollow Hold


DAY 2 - PULL A :
• Trap Bar Deadlift 4x6
• One Arm DB Row 3x10
• Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown 3x10-12
• Hip Thrust 3x12
• EZ Bar Curl 3x10

DAY 3 - PUSH B:
• Standing Military Press 4x6
• Incline DB Press 3x8
• Deficit Push-ups 3xMax
• Step-ups 3x10
• Core: Stability Ball Roll-out

DAY 4 - PULL B:
• Romanian Deadlift 4x8
• TRX/Bar Row 3x10
• Close Grip Cable Row 3x12
• Leg Curl 3x12
• Face Pulls 3x15

• Diet: Aiming for +500 kcal surplus. High Protein/High Carb.

QUESTIONS:
1. Is 12 weeks enough to solidify gains with Primobolan (I heard it shines in longer cycles)?
2. Any general tips? Better to stick just to Test?

P.S pictures coming next days

Thanks for the help!
Pep.

@Pepty Nice start to log....keep us posted.........

 

[Pepty]

thanks for sharing can you start putting up actual foods and macros from myfitnesspal? @Pepty

Hey @LevButlerov ! Here’s my current diet:

CURRENT MACROS: ~2800 kcal

• Protein: 220g
• Carbs: 300g
• Fats: 75g

While waiting for my first Test cycle (starts in 2 weeks hopefully, I’ve saw that orders on PSL will be managed from 5 Jan) so I’ve gradually increased from maintenance to controlled surplus.

MEAL TIMING (4 meals, training at 12:00 PM):

Breakfast: 9 AM
Lunch: 1:30 PM
Snack: 4:30 PM
Dinner 7 PM

Carb distribution: 80% around workout (breakfast + lunch), low-carb dinner to optimize GH at night (I inject GH ~22:00).

This is today :

Breakfast: Oats 80g, egg whites 250ml, banana 200g, almond butter 15g
(105 CHO, 42 PRO, 15 FAT, 723 total)

Lunch: Pasta 150g, chicken 250g, tomato sauce 200g, olive oil 10g, parmigiano 15g, bread 50g
(138 CHO, 94 PRO, 21 FAT, 1117 total)

Snack: Greek yogurt 0% 250g, honey 30g, almonds 20g, apple 150g
(59 CHO, 29 PRO, 11 FAT, 451 total)

Dinner: Salmon 200g, eggs 2x, zucchini 300g, olive oil 15g, salad 100g
(12 CHO, 58 PRO, 35 FAT, 595 total)

TOTAL DAY 1: (314 CHO, 223 PRO, 82 FAT, 2886 total)


tomorrow:

Breakfast: Protein pancakes (egg whites 200ml, oat flour 70g, banana 150g), peanut butter 15g, maple syrup 20g
(106 CHO, 38 PRO, 13 FAT, 693 total)

Lunch: Rice 150g, tuna 250g, chickpeas 100g, tomatoes 150g, olive oil 10g
(149 CHO, 87 PRO, 16 FAT, 1088 total)

Snack: Whole wheat wrap 80g, turkey 120g, cream cheese 30g, walnuts 10g
(41 CHO, 40 PRO, 13 FAT, 441 total)

Dinner: Sea bass 250g, cottage cheese 150g, asparagus 200g, olive oil 15g, avocado 50g
(16 CHO, 72 PRO, 31 FAT, 631 total)

TOTAL DAY 2: (312 CHO, 237 PRO, 73 FAT, 2853 total)

I’m thinking also to start meal prep so I can stick to the diet easily, i never did since i work from home and I’m not in rush to cook etc..

I’m downloading my fitnesspal and post the screenshot of next days with the application but this is my 2 typical days

I’m also tapering down Reta to be able to eat all those calories, i want to keep it during the cycle maybe just 0.5 to help prevent insulin resistence due to GH.

What you think?
Thanks!

 

[Pepty]

@toddthelineman & @HarleyGuy


Sorry for the late reply guys, i completely forgot and end-of-year work + holiday season got the best of me!


Thank you both for the honest "tough love" regarding Primo. It’s rare to find people who actually tell you tosave money and keep it simple rather than pushing more compounds


@toddthelineman:
I’ll take your advice (the same as many other guys): Testosterone Only it is.
I want to learn exactly how my body responds to Test before adding other variables and keep it simple.

@HarleyGuy:
Thanks for the correction on the AI!

"Arimidex is powerful and more of a break glass in case of emergency... Aromasin will be a smooth e2 reduction"

This makes total sense. I’ve just updated my cart: swapped Arimidex for Aromasin (Exemestane) as my primary control tool.
I also added Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) to have on hand specifically for any acute nipple/gyno issues, just to be 100% safe.

Updated Plan based on your / everyone feedback:

• Cycle: Test Enanthate Only (500mg/week) for 12-16 weeks.
• Support: Aromasin on hand (not preventative), Nolvadex for emergency.
• Bloods: Confirmed for Week 5 to check E2 levels.

I'm still reseraching if run HCG or not.

I really appreciate you guys guiding me away from newbie errors.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey @LevButlerov ! Here’s my current diet:

CURRENT MACROS: ~2800 kcal

• Protein: 220g
• Carbs: 300g
• Fats: 75g

While waiting for my first Test cycle (starts in 2 weeks hopefully, I’ve saw that orders on PSL will be managed from 5 Jan) so I’ve gradually increased from maintenance to controlled surplus.

MEAL TIMING (4 meals, training at 12:00 PM):

Breakfast: 9 AM
Lunch: 1:30 PM
Snack: 4:30 PM
Dinner 7 PM

Carb distribution: 80% around workout (breakfast + lunch), low-carb dinner to optimize GH at night (I inject GH ~22:00).

This is today :

Breakfast: Oats 80g, egg whites 250ml, banana 200g, almond butter 15g
(105 CHO, 42 PRO, 15 FAT, 723 total)

Lunch: Pasta 150g, chicken 250g, tomato sauce 200g, olive oil 10g, parmigiano 15g, bread 50g
(138 CHO, 94 PRO, 21 FAT, 1117 total)

Snack: Greek yogurt 0% 250g, honey 30g, almonds 20g, apple 150g
(59 CHO, 29 PRO, 11 FAT, 451 total)

Dinner: Salmon 200g, eggs 2x, zucchini 300g, olive oil 15g, salad 100g
(12 CHO, 58 PRO, 35 FAT, 595 total)

TOTAL DAY 1: (314 CHO, 223 PRO, 82 FAT, 2886 total)


tomorrow:

Breakfast: Protein pancakes (egg whites 200ml, oat flour 70g, banana 150g), peanut butter 15g, maple syrup 20g
(106 CHO, 38 PRO, 13 FAT, 693 total)

Lunch: Rice 150g, tuna 250g, chickpeas 100g, tomatoes 150g, olive oil 10g
(149 CHO, 87 PRO, 16 FAT, 1088 total)

Snack: Whole wheat wrap 80g, turkey 120g, cream cheese 30g, walnuts 10g
(41 CHO, 40 PRO, 13 FAT, 441 total)

Dinner: Sea bass 250g, cottage cheese 150g, asparagus 200g, olive oil 15g, avocado 50g
(16 CHO, 72 PRO, 31 FAT, 631 total)

TOTAL DAY 2: (312 CHO, 237 PRO, 73 FAT, 2853 total)

I’m thinking also to start meal prep so I can stick to the diet easily, i never did since i work from home and I’m not in rush to cook etc..

I’m downloading my fitnesspal and post the screenshot of next days with the application but this is my 2 typical days

I’m also tapering down Reta to be able to eat all those calories, i want to keep it during the cycle maybe just 0.5 to help prevent insulin resistence due to GH.

What you think?
Thanks!

This is a good diet, but you need to add 1 avocado per day to this @pety and can you swap the almonds for walnuts?

 

[Pepty]

Absolutely i can add avocados and swap them !

Can i ask to who used PSL Testosterone E which needle to withdraw/inject they used?

This is my first cycle and i know that the needle has to be chosen based on the oil density since every producer has different kind of oil (some smoother, some more dense).

I'm also researching where to inject, it's not so easy for me to pin in the glutes

 

[LevButlerov]

Absolutely i can add avocados and swap them !

Can i ask to who used PSL Testosterone E which needle to withdraw/inject they used?

This is my first cycle and i know that the needle has to be chosen based on the oil density since every producer has different kind of oil (some smoother, some more dense).

I'm also researching where to inject, it's not so easy for me to pin in the glutes

Add it in @Pepty

and you should draw with 18g pin and switch to 23G to inject

you know how to do injections right? check this https://trtinjections.com

 

[Simoneme]

Absolutely i can add avocados and swap them !

Can i ask to who used PSL Testosterone E which needle to withdraw/inject they used?

This is my first cycle and i know that the needle has to be chosen based on the oil density since every producer has different kind of oil (some smoother, some more dense).

I'm also researching where to inject, it's not so easy for me to pin in the glutes

Ciao io uso 25g 1 inch come ago per iniettare.
Non usare lo stesso ago per aspirare e iniettare, perché perde il filo e fa male!
Adesso siccome inietto 1 ml 2 volte a settima uso il gluteo e il ventro gluteale.
In piedi davanti allo specchio. Con la Dx lo spingi nella natica dx. Poi ti aiuti con la sx per tenerla ferma e con la dx ancora spingi lo stantuffo. Sconsiglio il quad, ci ho provato una volta un male bestia, é pieno di nervi. Nella spalla invece faccio il TRT che é 0.3 ml essendo un muscolo più piccolo lo tollera meglio.

 

[Simoneme]

Ciao io uso 25g 1 inch come ago per iniettare.
Non usare lo stesso ago per aspirare e iniettare, perché perde il filo e fa male!
Adesso siccome inietto 1 ml 2 volte a settima uso il gluteo e il ventro gluteale.
In piedi davanti allo specchio. Con la Dx lo spingi nella natica dx. Poi ti aiuti con la sx per tenerla ferma e con la dx ancora spingi lo stantuffo. Sconsiglio il quad, ci ho provato una volta un male bestia, é pieno di nervi. Nella spalla invece faccio il TRT che é 0.3 ml essendo un muscolo più piccolo lo tollera meglio.

Aggiornamento : stamattina ho provato a inserire l'ago da seduto sul quad seguendo le indicazioni del forum, nessun problema.
Forse all'epoca avevo sbagliato qualcosa!

 

[Pepty]

@LevButlerov

Add it in @Pepty

and you should draw with 18g pin and switch to 23G to inject

you know how to do injections right? check this https://trtinjections.com

Nice, i guess now i do
I remembered some similiar website showing injection points but this is great too, thanks for both feedbacks!


@Simoneme
Ciao Simone!
Grazie per i feedback.
Proverò sia glutei che quad, penso che avendo una visuale migliore del quad si possa fare un lavoro migliore ma questa cosa dei nervi la sapevo anche io.
Quando dici le “indicazioni del forum” ti riferisci al sito che ha postato Lev?

Grazie!

 

[Pepty]

Ah fyi, ordered all this from PSL:

• 4x Testosterone Enanthate 250mg/ml (10ml)
• 2x HCG 5000 IU
• 1x Exemestane (Aromasin) 25mg (30 tabs)
• 1x Clomiphene (Clomid) 50mg (30 tabs)
• 2x Tamoxifen (Nolvadex) 20mg (60 tabs totals)


They will be shipped on 5 of January.

 

[Simoneme]

@LevButlerov

Nice, i guess now i do
I remembered some similiar website showing injection points but this is great too, thanks for both feedbacks!


@Simoneme
Ciao Simone!
Grazie per i feedback.
Proverò sia glutei che quad, penso che avendo una visuale migliore del quad si possa fare un lavoro migliore ma questa cosa dei nervi la sapevo anche io.
Quando dici le “indicazioni del forum” ti riferisci al sito che ha postato Lev?

Grazie!

Esatto!

 

[LevButlerov]

Nice, i guess now i do
I remembered some similiar website showing injection points but this is great too, thanks for both feedbacks!

perfect use it @Pepty

Ah fyi, ordered all this from PSL:

• 4x Testosterone Enanthate 250mg/ml (10ml)
• 2x HCG 5000 IU
• 1x Exemestane (Aromasin) 25mg (30 tabs)
• 1x Clomiphene (Clomid) 50mg (30 tabs)
• 2x Tamoxifen (Nolvadex) 20mg (60 tabs totals)


They will be shipped on 5 of January.

this is a good order, but i would get some cardarine and anavar too @Pepty and hcg
how about food you have no issues with food intake or you do?

Happy New year to our Italian brothers @Pepty @Simoneme

 

[Pepty]

perfect use it @Pepty

this is a good order, but i would get some cardarine and anavar too @Pepty and hcg
how about food you have no issues with food intake or you do?

Happy New year to our Italian brothers @Pepty @Simoneme

@LevButlerov
Happy new year!

I’m considering Cardarine for the lipid benefits (my cholesterol is a bit high pre-cycle).. as for Anavar, I’ll save it for a future cycle to keep this first one simple and see how my body responds to just Test

About HCG it’s already included in the order

My plan was to use it starting from the first week, 250 ui E3.5D when I pin Test (500mg a week split in 2), what you think?

I’m tapering down Reta because it’s impossibile for me now to eat 3000 cal while on 2mg of Reta; next week I’ll do 1 mg and eventually leave it during the cycle or do just 0.5
In case it will be a problem to eat 3000 kcal i will leverage on liquid calories on breakfast and snacks..

I’m using GH at 3 IU/day so Reta helps with glucose management, but appetite is priority for the bulk..

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov
Happy new year!

I’m considering Cardarine for the lipid benefits (my cholesterol is a bit high pre-cycle).. as for Anavar, I’ll save it for a future cycle to keep this first one simple and see how my body responds to just Test

About HCG it’s already included in the order

My plan was to use it starting from the first week, 250 ui E3.5D when I pin Test (500mg a week split in 2), what you think?

I’m tapering down Reta because it’s impossibile for me now to eat 3000 cal while on 2mg of Reta; next week I’ll do 1 mg and eventually leave it during the cycle or do just 0.5
In case it will be a problem to eat 3000 kcal i will leverage on liquid calories on breakfast and snacks..

I’m using GH at 3 IU/day so Reta helps with glucose management, but appetite is priority for the bulk..

I would add cardarine for sure to get it leveled out @Pepty

have you considered 0.25mgs eod microdose reta?

 

[Pepty]

I would add cardarine for sure to get it leveled out @Pepty

have you considered 0.25mgs eod microdose reta?

Hey Lev,

thanks for the feedback, i'll probably add it.

No i didn't think about the microdose but it is a great idea ^^'

What you think about the cycle overall?

Seems pretty solid to me.

Thanks again!

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey Lev,

thanks for the feedback, i'll probably add it.

No i didn't think about the microdose but it is a great idea ^^'

What you think about the cycle overall?

Seems pretty solid to me.

Thanks again!

test it out see how you like microdosing it @Pepty retatrutide can be used on bulkers too

on cycle part its good, we can dial in as you go

 

[Pepty]

test it out see how you like microdosing it @Pepty retatrutide can be used on bulkers too

on cycle part its good, we can dial in as you go

Super quick reply! I'll start use it that way.

On E2: keeping Aromasin on hand but planning to wait for Week 5 bloods unless I get obvious gyno symptoms. A part from Test, on 250 IU HCG x2/week and ~11-12% BF, I'm hoping to stay in the 40-80 pg/ml sweet spot without AI since it's a suicidal inhibitor and I don't want to risk crashing estrogen on first cycle. Will monitor closely... if nipples act up Week 2-3 I'll get urgent bloods before dosing AI blind. Sound reasonable or you have a different approach?

Thanks!

 

[LevButlerov]

Super quick reply! I'll start use it that way.

On E2: keeping Aromasin on hand but planning to wait for Week 5 bloods unless I get obvious gyno symptoms. At 250 IU HCG x2/week and ~11-12% BF, I'm hoping to stay in the 40-80 pg/ml sweet spot without AI since it's a suicidal inhibitor and I don't want to risk crashing estrogen on first cycle. Will monitor closely... if nipples act up Week 2-3 I'll get urgent bloods before dosing AI blind. Sound reasonable or you have a different approach?

Thanks!

Super quick reply! I'll start use it that way.

awesome @Pepty

On E2: keeping Aromasin on hand but planning to wait for Week 5 bloods unless I get obvious gyno symptoms. At 250 IU HCG x2/week and ~11-12% BF, I'm hoping to stay in the 40-80 pg/ml sweet spot without AI since it's a suicidal inhibitor and I don't want to risk crashing estrogen on first cycle. Will monitor closely... if nipples act up Week 2-3 I'll get urgent bloods before dosing AI blind. Sound reasonable or you have a different approach?

if you're using hcg you should be using aromasin tbh
crashing is 1 thing but you can have other symptoms, we likely should test 3 weeks in

 

[Pepty]

awesome @Pepty

if you're using hcg you should be using aromasin tbh
crashing is 1 thing but you can have other symptoms, we likely should test 3 weeks in

Thanks, I really appreciate your help!


Quick clarification on your approach: when you say "if you're using HCG you
should be using aromasin" - do you mean:

A) Start Aromasin prophylactically from Day 1 at low dose (like 5mg E3.5D),
then adjust based on Week 3 bloods?

OR

B) Wait for Week 3 bloods first, THEN start Aromasin if E2 is elevated, but
don't wait until Week 5?

First cycle so I'm trying to balance
caution with not over-complicating things, and I’m sorry if I sound stupid

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks, I really appreciate your help!


Quick clarification on your approach: when you say "if you're using HCG you
should be using aromasin" - do you mean:

A) Start Aromasin prophylactically from Day 1 at low dose (like 5mg E3.5D),
then adjust based on Week 3 bloods?

OR

B) Wait for Week 3 bloods first, THEN start Aromasin if E2 is elevated, but
don't wait until Week 5?

First cycle so I'm trying to balance
caution with not over-complicating things, and I’m sorry if I sound stupid

You don't sound stupid EVO family here to help you all questions are welcome @Pepty

Quick clarification on your approach: when you say "if you're using HCG you
should be using aromasin" - do you mean:

A) Start Aromasin prophylactically from Day 1 at low dose (like 5mg E3.5D),
then adjust based on Week 3 bloods?

I checked your bloods E2 is fairly normal now mid range so with the HCG dose you using you can take 5mgs/week aromasin even 1st week

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-primobolan.108404/#post-1931516

B) Wait for Week 3 bloods first, THEN start Aromasin if E2 is elevated, but
don't wait until Week 5?

bloods week 3 with 1dose aromasin/week

 

[Pepty]

You don't sound stupid EVO family here to help you all questions are welcome @Pepty

I checked your bloods E2 is fairly normal now mid range so with the HCG dose you using you can take 5mgs/week aromasin even 1st week

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-primobolan.108404/#post-1931516

bloods week 3 with 1dose aromasin/week

Thank you again Lev.


All the stuff should be shipped tomorrow, i'll keep you all updated!

 

[LevButlerov]

Thank you again Lev.


All the stuff should be shipped tomorrow, i'll keep you all updated!

EVO family love your way keep us updated @Pepty

 

[Pepty]

I think my order hasn’t been shipped yet

Genuine question for those running enhanced programs:

Do you find pump work (12-20 rep range, drop sets, etc.) more effective on-cycle compared to staying in the 6-10 range?

I’ve read that enhanced athletes can benefit from higher rep isolation work due to better nutrient shuttling, but want to balance that with joint safety and not overdoing volume.

Current plan is keeping compounds in 6-10 range and adding isolation pump work at the end (lateral raises, curls, pushdowns, etc.).

Thoughts on my previously posted workout?

Thanks!

 

[LevButlerov]

I think my order hasn’t been shipped yet

Genuine question for those running enhanced programs:

Do you find pump work (12-20 rep range, drop sets, etc.) more effective on-cycle compared to staying in the 6-10 range?

I’ve read that enhanced athletes can benefit from higher rep isolation work due to better nutrient shuttling, but want to balance that with joint safety and not overdoing volume.

Current plan is keeping compounds in 6-10 range and adding isolation pump work at the end (lateral raises, curls, pushdowns, etc.).

Thoughts on my previously posted workout?

Thanks!

you order from who? @Pepty

pump work is best 15-20 rep range try it you'll see.

 

[Pepty]

you order from who? @Pepty

pump work is best 15-20 rep range try it you'll see.

Thanks!

I think I will add 50% more volume to my workout.

From PSL, I just received the tracking

Keep you posted!

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks!

I think I will add 50% more volume to my workout.

From PSL, I just received the tracking

Keep you posted!

50% lets do it

 

[Pepty]

Hey guys!

Today i've spent a few hours in the gym (and will do the same for the next days) to re-calculate the weight and test the weight of the exercise that i've added to increase the volume.

Flat Bench Press - 4x6-8 - 22.5kg: 8 reps, 7 reps, 6 reps, 6 reps
Shoulder Press - 4x8-10 - 12.5kg
Incline DB Fly - 3x10-12 - 9kg
Assisted Dips - 3x8-10 - 28kg assistance
Cable Lateral Raise - 3x12-15 - 2.5kg
Dumbbell Bulgarian Split Squats - 3x12 - 12.5kg

Well.... those weight made me think that i'm weak af!

I'm optimistic.. coming from a "big" drop in weight, lost almost 10kg (now i'm 71 kg) and lost lot of strength with it.. now i'm reverting the diet and eating properly (2600kcal) so I'm sure those will increase in the next weeks.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey guys!

Today i've spent a few hours in the gym (and will do the same for the next days) to re-calculate the weight and test the weight of the exercise that i've added to increase the volume.

Flat Bench Press - 4x6-8 - 22.5kg: 8 reps, 7 reps, 6 reps, 6 reps
Shoulder Press - 4x8-10 - 12.5kg
Incline DB Fly - 3x10-12 - 9kg
Assisted Dips - 3x8-10 - 28kg assistance
Cable Lateral Raise - 3x12-15 - 2.5kg
Dumbbell Bulgarian Split Squats - 3x12 - 12.5kg

Well.... those weight made me think that i'm weak af!

I'm optimistic.. coming from a "big" drop in weight, lost almost 10kg (now i'm 71 kg) and lost lot of strength with it.. now i'm reverting the diet and eating properly (2600kcal) so I'm sure those will increase in the next weeks.

this takes you how many hours to do? the sets @Pepty

 

[EvoNexus]

Great log with lots of good info here already. This is making me rethink my second cycle which was going to be test and primo. Now I’m leaning more towards a test only cycle. I’ll be watching you

yeah same here man, this log is actually laid out clean as hell. @Pepty baseline bloods look decent and u already got diet/training written out, so this should be a good one to follow. keep the updates coming (weight + lifts + BP)

 

[Mobster]

Hey guys!

Today i've spent a few hours in the gym (and will do the same for the next days) to re-calculate the weight and test the weight of the exercise that i've added to increase the volume.

Flat Bench Press - 4x6-8 - 22.5kg: 8 reps, 7 reps, 6 reps, 6 reps
Shoulder Press - 4x8-10 - 12.5kg
Incline DB Fly - 3x10-12 - 9kg
Assisted Dips - 3x8-10 - 28kg assistance
Cable Lateral Raise - 3x12-15 - 2.5kg
Dumbbell Bulgarian Split Squats - 3x12 - 12.5kg

Well.... those weight made me think that i'm weak af!

I'm optimistic.. coming from a "big" drop in weight, lost almost 10kg (now i'm 71 kg) and lost lot of strength with it.. now i'm reverting the diet and eating properly (2600kcal) so I'm sure those will increase in the next weeks.

Explain what you mean.

 

[Pepty]

this takes you how many hours to do? the sets @Pepty

It took me 2 hours because I wanted to do proper work to figure out the right weights for my current condition.
I used the session to establish a new baseline after the introduction of new exercise, so I spent lot of time

I plan to keep the rest on compound 90-120 seconds and 60-90 on isolation exercise.. need to adapt the workout to my current routine, i hit the gym before lunch during my lunch break so i can’t stay there for hours, i have 1.5 hr maximum

This week when i do RM tests, i will take 3-4 minutes rest between attempts of the same exercise if i need to retest with different weight.

 

[Pepty]

Explain what you mean.

Sorry my reply is on the previous message.

I’m not English and sometimes I simply translate literally from Italian to English and things maybe don’t make sense.. I will help me with google translator in the future

 

[Pepty]

Ah, i did again the analysis (the previous analysis was made 2.5 months ago) just because I'll start next week.

This is the actual bloodwork, prolactin slightly above the average.

 

[stevesmi]

Hey guys!

Today i've spent a few hours in the gym (and will do the same for the next days) to re-calculate the weight and test the weight of the exercise that i've added to increase the volume.

Flat Bench Press - 4x6-8 - 22.5kg: 8 reps, 7 reps, 6 reps, 6 reps
Shoulder Press - 4x8-10 - 12.5kg
Incline DB Fly - 3x10-12 - 9kg
Assisted Dips - 3x8-10 - 28kg assistance
Cable Lateral Raise - 3x12-15 - 2.5kg
Dumbbell Bulgarian Split Squats - 3x12 - 12.5kg

Well.... those weight made me think that i'm weak af!

I'm optimistic.. coming from a "big" drop in weight, lost almost 10kg (now i'm 71 kg) and lost lot of strength with it.. now i'm reverting the diet and eating properly (2600kcal) so I'm sure those will increase in the next weeks.

@Pepty good job on the flat bench press and shoulder press. You're doing really good on that. Assisted dips are also a good one.

 

[Ulter]

Hey guys!

Today i've spent a few hours in the gym (and will do the same for the next days) to re-calculate the weight and test the weight of the exercise that i've added to increase the volume.

Flat Bench Press - 4x6-8 - 22.5kg: 8 reps, 7 reps, 6 reps, 6 reps
Shoulder Press - 4x8-10 - 12.5kg
Incline DB Fly - 3x10-12 - 9kg
Assisted Dips - 3x8-10 - 28kg assistance
Cable Lateral Raise - 3x12-15 - 2.5kg
Dumbbell Bulgarian Split Squats - 3x12 - 12.5kg

Well.... those weight made me think that i'm weak af!

I'm optimistic.. coming from a "big" drop in weight, lost almost 10kg (now i'm 71 kg) and lost lot of strength with it.. now i'm reverting the diet and eating properly (2600kcal) so I'm sure those will increase in the next weeks.

Very impressive job on this. I love to see a nice chest training session like this and eventually I wanna see you be able to do those dips without any assistance. @Pepty

 

[ceo]

Hey guys!

Today i've spent a few hours in the gym (and will do the same for the next days) to re-calculate the weight and test the weight of the exercise that i've added to increase the volume.

Flat Bench Press - 4x6-8 - 22.5kg: 8 reps, 7 reps, 6 reps, 6 reps
Shoulder Press - 4x8-10 - 12.5kg
Incline DB Fly - 3x10-12 - 9kg
Assisted Dips - 3x8-10 - 28kg assistance
Cable Lateral Raise - 3x12-15 - 2.5kg
Dumbbell Bulgarian Split Squats - 3x12 - 12.5kg

Well.... those weight made me think that i'm weak af!

I'm optimistic.. coming from a "big" drop in weight, lost almost 10kg (now i'm 71 kg) and lost lot of strength with it.. now i'm reverting the diet and eating properly (2600kcal) so I'm sure those will increase in the next weeks.

Bros, looking really good, flat bench press and shoulder press, some of my favorites. @Pepty assisted dips are looking really good and so are the cable lateral raises.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Hey guys!

Today i've spent a few hours in the gym (and will do the same for the next days) to re-calculate the weight and test the weight of the exercise that i've added to increase the volume.

Flat Bench Press - 4x6-8 - 22.5kg: 8 reps, 7 reps, 6 reps, 6 reps
Shoulder Press - 4x8-10 - 12.5kg
Incline DB Fly - 3x10-12 - 9kg
Assisted Dips - 3x8-10 - 28kg assistance
Cable Lateral Raise - 3x12-15 - 2.5kg
Dumbbell Bulgarian Split Squats - 3x12 - 12.5kg

Well.... those weight made me think that i'm weak af!

I'm optimistic.. coming from a "big" drop in weight, lost almost 10kg (now i'm 71 kg) and lost lot of strength with it.. now i'm reverting the diet and eating properly (2600kcal) so I'm sure those will increase in the next weeks.

@Pepty really looking forward to seeing what kind of progression you can make. These are some solid looking workouts. I like the Bulgarian split squats. They are very solid.

 

[2Thick]

Ah, i did again the analysis (the previous analysis was made 2.5 months ago) just because I'll start next week.

This is the actual bloodwork, prolactin slightly above the average.

sometimes prolactin can show up high. but its a volatile number. the good news is it is easy to combat. you can just get some caber @Pepty

 

[Pepty]

Thanks everyone for the support!

Today second day of testing:

Trap Bar Deadlift - 4x5-6 - 37.5kg each side
One Arm DB Row - 4x8-10 - 20kg
Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown - 4x10-12 - 40kg
Face Pulls - 3x15-20 - 15kg
Hip Thrust - 4x10 - 60kg
Ez Bar Curl - 3x10-12 - 7.5kg each side
Hammer Curl - 3x12 - 10kg

I felt a bad sensation on my right spinal sacrum muscle during the execution of the Trap Bar Deadlift.. those back exercise scares me a lot, i've a L5 S1 protrusion and was wondering to switch to a different exercise..

I'm also thinking to buy TB157 / TB500 or both of them to support during this journey, since i can understand that during the cycle the muscle will grow faster than tendins so i've to really be careful about which weight i lift.

 

[ballin2504]

Hey guys!

Today i've spent a few hours in the gym (and will do the same for the next days) to re-calculate the weight and test the weight of the exercise that i've added to increase the volume.

Flat Bench Press - 4x6-8 - 22.5kg: 8 reps, 7 reps, 6 reps, 6 reps
Shoulder Press - 4x8-10 - 12.5kg
Incline DB Fly - 3x10-12 - 9kg
Assisted Dips - 3x8-10 - 28kg assistance
Cable Lateral Raise - 3x12-15 - 2.5kg
Dumbbell Bulgarian Split Squats - 3x12 - 12.5kg

Well.... those weight made me think that i'm weak af!

I'm optimistic.. coming from a "big" drop in weight, lost almost 10kg (now i'm 71 kg) and lost lot of strength with it.. now i'm reverting the diet and eating properly (2600kcal) so I'm sure those will increase in the next weeks.

@Pepty can’t wait to see how you respond and how the weights are feeling to you man. Wishing you the best

 

[LevButlerov]

It took me 2 hours because I wanted to do proper work to figure out the right weights for my current condition.
I used the session to establish a new baseline after the introduction of new exercise, so I spent lot of time

I plan to keep the rest on compound 90-120 seconds and 60-90 on isolation exercise.. need to adapt the workout to my current routine, i hit the gym before lunch during my lunch break so i can’t stay there for hours, i have 1.5 hr maximum

This week when i do RM tests, i will take 3-4 minutes rest between attempts of the same exercise if i need to retest with different weight.

I see you're a beast if you train 2 hours but keep pumping lets see @Pepty

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks everyone for the support!

Today second day of testing:

Trap Bar Deadlift - 4x5-6 - 37.5kg each side
One Arm DB Row - 4x8-10 - 20kg
Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown - 4x10-12 - 40kg
Face Pulls - 3x15-20 - 15kg
Hip Thrust - 4x10 - 60kg
Ez Bar Curl - 3x10-12 - 7.5kg each side
Hammer Curl - 3x12 - 10kg

I felt a bad sensation on my right spinal sacrum muscle during the execution of the Trap Bar Deadlift.. those back exercise scares me a lot, i've a L5 S1 protrusion and was wondering to switch to a different exercise..

I'm also thinking to buy TB157 / TB500 or both of them to support during this journey, since i can understand that during the cycle the muscle will grow faster than tendins so i've to really be careful about which weight i lift.

good push today but the pain on the deads, you need to lay off legs and deads you know that?

 

[Pepty]

Ahahah no, 2 hours was to test all the RM, so with super rests between sets (3-4 minutes) but my workout usually lasts maximum 1.5 hr!

I think I had proper form, but I have an old disc protrusion (lower right side) that flares up with trap bar deadlifts.

I'll swap it for hip thrusts or leg press as my main compound to allow heavy progressive overload without spinal loading.

Form is importantt but with my back history, I need to choose exercises where I can push hard without risking injury. Better to progress safely on a different movement than stress about form breaking down under heavy deads.

What you think, any compound exercise that i can use in your opinion?

Thank you very much, as always.

 

[LevButlerov]

Ahahah no, 2 hours was to test all the RM, so with super rests between sets (3-4 minutes) but my workout usually lasts maximum 1.5 hr!

I think I had proper form, but I have an old disc protrusion (lower right side) that flares up with trap bar deadlifts.

I'll swap it for hip thrusts or leg press as my main compound to allow heavy progressive overload without spinal loading.

Form is importantt but with my back history, I need to choose exercises where I can push hard without risking injury. Better to progress safely on a different movement than stress about form breaking down under heavy deads.

What you think, any compound exercise that i can use in your opinion?

Thank you very much, as always.

compound, depends, can you take a pic of where the pain and injury is? @Pepty

 

[Pepty]

compound, depends, can you take a pic of where the pain and injury is? @Pepty

The yellow circle is where i felt pain doing the deadlift, while the red one is i've my L5-S1 disc protrusion

Those days i'm also trying a shake for breakfast; when i wake up i'm not really hungry so i need something "light" and easy, this is what i'm testing and i've to say it's not bad.

Whey protein: 30g (22.8 pro)
Honey: 10 g
Banana: 50 g
Peanut Butter: 20g
Oats: 100g
Milk: 400 (today i've dropped too much milk)

Total macros: 17.5 fat - 110 carbs - 55 pro - 810kcal

 

[LevButlerov]

The yellow circle is where i felt pain doing the deadlift, while the red one is i've my L5-S1 disc protrusion

Those days i'm also trying a shake for breakfast; when i wake up i'm not really hungry so i need something "light" and easy, this is what i'm testing and i've to say it's not bad.

Whey protein: 30g (22.8 pro)
Honey: 10 g
Banana: 50 g
Peanut Butter: 20g
Oats: 100g
Milk: 400 (today i've dropped too much milk)

Total macros: 17.5 fat - 110 carbs - 55 pro - 810kcal

This is a tough injury place, you need to start pinning bpc157 and tb500 close to the area @Pepty do you have them?

breakfast shake is good I like it but milk good you dropped a bit

 

[Pepty]

Yes I do have KLOW (composed of TB157, TB500, GHKU, KPV) it should be delivered next week.. hopefully also PSL order next week… dont know how easy will be to pin on my back

Yesterday workout:

STANDING MILITARY PRESS - 4x5-6 - 11.25KG
INCLINE DB PRESS - 4x8-10 - 20KG
CHEST PRESS - 3x12-15 - 45KG
DEFICIT PUSH-UPS - 3x Max
DB LATERAL RAISE - 3x12-15- 6KG
STEP-UPS - 4x8 - 20KG

 

[LevButlerov]

Yes I do have KLOW (composed of TB157, TB500, GHKU, KPV) it should be delivered next week.. hopefully also PSL order next week… dont know how easy will be to pin on my back

Yesterday workout:

STANDING MILITARY PRESS - 4x5-6 - 11.25KG
INCLINE DB PRESS - 4x8-10 - 20KG
CHEST PRESS - 3x12-15 - 45KG
DEFICIT PUSH-UPS - 3x Max
DB LATERAL RAISE - 3x12-15- 6KG
STEP-UPS - 4x8 - 20KG

you dont need to pin back you can do glutes or closer like lats @Pepty

 

[Pepty]

Oh didn’t know that, thanks!

Yesterday workout:

RDL - Skipped
Bar Row - 4x10 - 35kg
Close Grip Cable Row - 4x12 - 40kg
Pullups - 3xMAX
Leg Curl - 4x12 - 40kg
Shrugs - 3x15 - 20KG
Facepull - 3x15 - 15KG

Today I’m going to do 30 min cardio and rest, tomorrow only rest.

My PSL order is still in transit (one week of transit now), hope will be delivered next week so I can start.

Bought some Digestive Enzymes.

 

[LevButlerov]

Oh didn’t know that, thanks!

Yesterday workout:

RDL - Skipped
Bar Row - 4x10 - 35kg
Close Grip Cable Row - 4x12 - 40kg
Pullups - 3xMAX
Leg Curl - 4x12 - 40kg
Shrugs - 3x15 - 20KG
Facepull - 3x15 - 15KG

Today I’m going to do 30 min cardio and rest, tomorrow only rest.

My PSL order is still in transit (one week of transit now), hope will be delivered next week so I can start.

Bought some Digestive Enzymes.

good training but go more light so you can get about slow 20 reps no jerking movements

 

[Pepty]

Hey, sure I'll go lighter so I can hit 20 reps cleanly.

Yesterday's training felt really good. I think the calorie increase is helping with strength, or maybe it's just placebo, but I lifted more than previous weeks on basically all exercises:

DAY 1 - PUSH A

• Chest Press Barbell 4x6-8: Week 1: 22.5kg → Week 2: 25kg
• Seated DB Shoulder Press 4x8-10: Week 1: 12.5kg → Week 2: 15kg
• Incline DB Fly 3x10-12: Week 1: 10kg → Week 2: 12.5kg
• Dips (Assisted/Weighted) 3x8-10: Week 1: -28kg assist → Week 2: -21kg assist
• Cable Lateral Raise 3x12-15: Week 1 & 2: 2.5kg (maintaining form)
• Rear Lunges 4x10: Week 1 & 2: 17.5kg per hand
• Core: Plank 3x max hold

Today my package from PSL arrives (currently in delivery status).

I'll do my first pin tonight: Test E + HCG, second pin Saturday morning, then switch to the regular schedule of Monday morning + Thursday evening going forward.

I'm a mix of excited and nervous right now – first cycle jitters! Any last-minute advice is welcome

 

[Pepty]

I would say that everything is ready @PSL

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey, sure I'll go lighter so I can hit 20 reps cleanly.

Yesterday's training felt really good. I think the calorie increase is helping with strength, or maybe it's just placebo, but I lifted more than previous weeks on basically all exercises:

DAY 1 - PUSH A

• Chest Press Barbell 4x6-8: Week 1: 22.5kg → Week 2: 25kg
• Seated DB Shoulder Press 4x8-10: Week 1: 12.5kg → Week 2: 15kg
• Incline DB Fly 3x10-12: Week 1: 10kg → Week 2: 12.5kg
• Dips (Assisted/Weighted) 3x8-10: Week 1: -28kg assist → Week 2: -21kg assist
• Cable Lateral Raise 3x12-15: Week 1 & 2: 2.5kg (maintaining form)
• Rear Lunges 4x10: Week 1 & 2: 17.5kg per hand
• Core: Plank 3x max hold

Today my package from PSL arrives (currently in delivery status).

I'll do my first pin tonight: Test E + HCG, second pin Saturday morning, then switch to the regular schedule of Monday morning + Thursday evening going forward.

I'm a mix of excited and nervous right now – first cycle jitters! Any last-minute advice is welcome

Loving this strength increase lets push it @Pepty

 

[LevButlerov]

I would say that everything is ready @PSL

Love this touchdown for Team Puritysourcelabs @PSL thank you @Pepty for posting

@~Vision~ @Phill @RoidRage69 @RoidRageWife @ROIDDERS @Noah Wixx @s.gentz @BigD9795

 

[Phill]

I would say that everything is ready @PSL

everything is ready, nothing can stop you now!

 

[Mobster]

I would say that everything is ready @PSL

Love me a @PSL touchdown of EuroPharmacies products

 

[Pepty]

Everything went fine during the first PIN, did it in my THIGH following trtinjections.com indications and this youtube video.

I've just a little bit of PIP but i've read that it's normal with a virgin muscle.

Yesterday workout:

DAY 2 - PULL A

Trap Bar Deadlift 4x5-6: Week 1: 37.5kg → Week 2: 40kg
One Arm DB Row 4x8-10: Week 1 & 2: 20kg
Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown 4x10-12: Week 1: 40kg → Week 2: 40kg, 40kg, 45kg, 45kg
Face Pulls 3x15-20: Week 1: 15kg → Week 2: 17.5kg
Hip Thrust 4x10: Week 1 & 2: 80kg
EZ Bar Curl 3x10-12: Week 1 & 2: 5kg
Hammer Curl 3x12: Week 1 & 2: 10kg

Today rest so i will focus on Cardio, think it will help also with PIP.

Have a great day everyone!

 

[ROIDDERS]

I would say that everything is ready @PSL

PSL definitely delivers the goods. This is a nice touchdown.

 

[2Thick]

I would say that everything is ready @PSL

PSL is definitely one of the leaders in the industry. They always are coming out with the best and most modern gear.

 

[ceo]

I would say that everything is ready @PSL

Bros PSL, one of the best. This is why they are one of the top sources in the world.

 

[Ulter]

I would say that everything is ready @PSL

you're never going to go wrong with PSL. This is a beautiful touchdown.

 

[LevButlerov]

Everything went fine during the first PIN, did it in my THIGH following trtinjections.com indications and this youtube video.

I've just a little bit of PIP but i've read that it's normal with a virgin muscle.

Yesterday workout:

DAY 2 - PULL A

Trap Bar Deadlift 4x5-6: Week 1: 37.5kg → Week 2: 40kg
One Arm DB Row 4x8-10: Week 1 & 2: 20kg
Neutral Grip Lat Pulldown 4x10-12: Week 1: 40kg → Week 2: 40kg, 40kg, 45kg, 45kg
Face Pulls 3x15-20: Week 1: 15kg → Week 2: 17.5kg
Hip Thrust 4x10: Week 1 & 2: 80kg
EZ Bar Curl 3x10-12: Week 1 & 2: 5kg
Hammer Curl 3x12: Week 1 & 2: 10kg

Today rest so i will focus on Cardio, think it will help also with PIP.

Have a great day everyone!

Good weights and I like to see you add some pull ups there actual ones @Pepty

and can you post your Q from DM here

 

[Pepty]

Hey everyone,

I just started my first cycle two days and I’m weighing two different philosophies regarding AI management. I’d love to get your take on this.

Baseline Bloods: E2 is at 24.29 pg/mL (Range: <15 - 31.5).

The Strategy Dilemma :

@LevButlerov suggested that I run a very low dose of Aromasin (Exemestane) from the start (5mg or 10mg split 2 times per week?). I’m definitely not trying to go against his advice, as I highly respect his experience, but I’m curious about the trade-offs and I think this discussion could be helpful for others in my position.

I’m torn between two approaches:

Option 1: Proactive (Start Now).

The benefit would be staying “ahead of the curve,” preventing massive water retention and blood pressure spikes / estradiol raising too much before they even start to do that.


Option 2: Reactive (Wait and See).

The benefit here is self-knowledge. By waiting until Week 4-5 to run bloods without an AI, I would learn exactly how my body aromatizes 500mg of Test.

My Questions:

1. Given my baseline E2 (24.29 pg/mL), do you think 5mg on Monday and 5mg on Thursday (10mg total) is enough to keep E2 in the high-normal range without crushing it? Or is 5mg total per week a better “micro-dose”?

2. For those who waited for bloods on their first cycle: was the “self-knowledge” worth the potential high E2 side effects (bloating, mood, etc.)?

3. When is the most accurate time for these bloods? Is Week 3 too early, or should I wait for the ester to reach steady state at Week 4-5?

I really want to maximize the anabolic benefits of having E2 on the higher side, but I don’t want it to spiral out of control

Thanks for the help!

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

I would say that everything is ready @PSL

@Pepty legit stuff.....great choice........

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey everyone,

I just started my first cycle two days and I’m weighing two different philosophies regarding AI management. I’d love to get your take on this.

Baseline Bloods: E2 is at 24.29 pg/mL (Range: <15 - 31.5).

The Strategy Dilemma :

@LevButlerov suggested that I run a very low dose of Aromasin (Exemestane) from the start (5mg or 10mg split 2 times per week?). I’m definitely not trying to go against his advice, as I highly respect his experience, but I’m curious about the trade-offs and I think this discussion could be helpful for others in my position.

I’m torn between two approaches:

Option 1: Proactive (Start Now).

The benefit would be staying “ahead of the curve,” preventing massive water retention and blood pressure spikes / estradiol raising too much before they even start to do that.


Option 2: Reactive (Wait and See).

The benefit here is self-knowledge. By waiting until Week 4-5 to run bloods without an AI, I would learn exactly how my body aromatizes 500mg of Test.

My Questions:

1. Given my baseline E2 (24.29 pg/mL), do you think 5mg on Monday and 5mg on Thursday (10mg total) is enough to keep E2 in the high-normal range without crushing it? Or is 5mg total per week a better “micro-dose”?

2. For those who waited for bloods on their first cycle: was the “self-knowledge” worth the potential high E2 side effects (bloating, mood, etc.)?

3. When is the most accurate time for these bloods? Is Week 3 too early, or should I wait for the ester to reach steady state at Week 4-5?

I really want to maximize the anabolic benefits of having E2 on the higher side, but I don’t want it to spiral out of control

Thanks for the help!

1. Given my baseline E2 (24.29 pg/mL), do you think 5mg on Monday and 5mg on Thursday (10mg total) is enough to keep E2 in the high-normal range without crushing it? Or is 5mg total per week a better “micro-dose”?

yes for now its enough 5mgs 2x/week

2. For those who waited for bloods on their first cycle: was the “self-knowledge” worth the potential high E2 side effects (bloating, mood, etc.)?

its always a toss up you have to guess many times with bloods before you get them

3. When is the most accurate time for these bloods? Is Week 3 too early, or should I wait for the ester to reach steady state at Week 4-5?

i like week 3/6/9/12

I really want to maximize the anabolic benefits of having E2 on the higher side, but I don’t want it to spiral out of control

high e2 has a ton of sides actually

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