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OK let me make an attempt at this log. I'll cut and paste some of the information from a previous post.

I am 61. 5 feet 9 inches and 190 lbs. I've never been over 205 when I tried Deca a long time ago. Love the strength, hated the sides but I had not discovered Prami.

I have been training regularly since I was 29 years old. I have never competed nor do I want to. The Summer and vacations are my show. LOL
As far as training, I have a 4 day split. Two body parts per day and most days I do some ab work. My cardio is lacking and I need to boost it. I play somewhat competitive hockey once a week.

My first cycle was at 48 years old. It was around that time I have my testosterone tested and turned our borderline low. Being in Canada, it was difficult to find a Doctor that would look at it seriously. My urologist was not helpful. I final found a hormone specialist that mainly helped women in menopause.

The two of us worked through getting me on a TRT regiment that includes:
100-200 mg Test C (he says 100, I do 200)
Adex - 0.5 mg twice a week
HCG 500 twice a week
Progesterone - 4 mg day compound pump (not sure much gets in me)
Liver Supplement
Vitamin Supplementation

So basically the above becomes my cruise cycle and I often add in Ostarine.
Recently adding Tongkat Ali and surprisingly feel it.

My diet is not great and yet I can maintain a lean physique by supplementing meals with protein and keep a somewhat low calorie intake.
I've always had a good metabolism.

I am in Canada and getting regular bloodwork is not easy. What I do is once or twice a year my TRT Doctor does bloodwork to see where I am at.
To be honest at times I don't go long enough before the bloodwork and my Testosterone still shows high.
By the time I do blood after a blast be Estrogen and Progesterone are in good ranges. I am not able to find a Doctor that I can be open with and risk losing the ones I have if I tell them too much. Welcome to Canada.

I've been running the same cycles for about 6 years. It just seems to work for me and felt no need to experiment.

Summer - 14 weeks
T400 - 200mg EOD
Tren A - 100 mg EOD
Adex - 0.5 mg EOD
Prami - 0.25 mg ED (Seems to offset any Tren sides)
HCG - 500 twice a week
Progesterone - 4 mg day compound pump
Liver Supplement
Vitamin Supplementation

WINTER - 14 Weeks
Test E - 300 mg twice a week
EQ - 275 mg twice a week
D-Bol - 50 mg ED for 6 weeks
Adex - 0.5 mg 3 times a week
Prami - .025 mg ED (I find my sex drive much better with Prami)
HCG 500 twice a week
Progesterone - 4 mg day compound pump
Liver supplement
Vitamin Supplementation

So as I mentioned I do take breaks from the blasts above of about 12 weeks between
Presently off a blast for 12 weeks and my regiment is:
TRT - 200 Mg per week Test C
Tongkat Ali - 500 mg ED
Ostarine - 25 mg ED.
Adex - 0.5 twice a week
HCG 500 twice a week
Progesterone - 4 mg day compound pump
Liver Supplement
Vitamin Supplementation
My physique is close to the photo although I do bloat when my diet is off and too much salt.

Damn after writing it all I feel like a science experiment.

My training has taken a turn to lighter and higher reps as I have been nursing a shoulder issue for over a year.
My left side was a bicep tendon and healed up. The other side is something else. Likely rotator cuff. Seems to be healing now that I started taking Glucosimine and Creatine.

So as mentioned my goal is to keep a Summer tightness without the Tren as I have no patience with my fiancé when I am on it.
My buddy says maybe I need to change the fiance and not the Tren. LMAO. Also keep hearing that at my age, Tren is not the smartest choice. I always knew that but I love the stuff.

I am leaning towards a cycle like this:

T-400 - 600 mg week (I really like T-400)
MASTERON E - 400 mg week
Anavar - I think 60 mg a day for 6 weeks
Adex - 0.5 twice a week (I adjust as needed as I feel it in my hands when Estrogen is high)
HCG 500 twice a week
Progesterone - 4 mg day compound pump
Liver Supplement
Vitamin Supplementation

I was considering Primo but keep reading it can screw up my libido, and so much is fake.
So I am leaning towards Masteron

Questions I have are:
1) Is that a good Summer cycle? How would you tweak it?
2) Should I keep my libido on Masteron? Will it increase? That was what I loved about Tren.
3) Will the Anavar help or maybe a waste of money?
4) Would adding Cardarine help?

I had Covid two Christmases ago. The long Covid as all i wanted to do was sleep for 3 months. I never seem to get my energy level back before it. Yes I had two vaccines in me at the time. Let's not do the Covid debate. I know my body quite well. It changed something.

FYI - My only experience with Winstrol was it makes my joints ache.

I will likely keep my EQ cycle for Winter. Last time i did it I had bloating issues more than usual. Never figured it out fully.

So any advice and dosage advice would be great.
I have not dug too deep in the SARMS only cycle. Maybe next year.

Hope this gets me started as a Log everyone is asking for.
 
How about adding in 200mg NPP per week. That should help your shoulder out quite a bit. I have had alot of problems with mine and since I started 300mg of NPP per week I cant even tell I have any problem. I also take a small 200mg Masteron per week and I seem to have a strong libido on my cycle so I think the Deca Dick issue is if you use too much of it or maybe the Masteron at 200mg takes care of that.
 
KCinToronto said:
OK let me make an attempt at this log. I'll cut and paste some of the information from a previous post.

I am 61. 5 feet 9 inches and 190 lbs. I've never been over 205 when I tried Deca a long time ago. Love the strength, hated the sides but I had not discovered Prami.

I have been training regularly since I was 29 years old. I have never competed nor do I want to. The Summer and vacations are my show. LOL
As far as training, I have a 4 day split. Two body parts per day and most days I do some ab work. My cardio is lacking and I need to boost it. I play somewhat competitive hockey once a week.

My first cycle was at 48 years old. It was around that time I have my testosterone tested and turned our borderline low. Being in Canada, it was difficult to find a Doctor that would look at it seriously. My urologist was not helpful. I final found a hormone specialist that mainly helped women in menopause.

The two of us worked through getting me on a TRT regiment that includes:
100-200 mg Test C (he says 100, I do 200)
Adex - 0.5 mg twice a week
HCG 500 twice a week
Progesterone - 4 mg day compound pump (not sure much gets in me)
Liver Supplement
Vitamin Supplementation

So basically the above becomes my cruise cycle and I often add in Ostarine.
Recently adding Tongkat Ali and surprisingly feel it.

My diet is not great and yet I can maintain a lean physique by supplementing meals with protein and keep a somewhat low calorie intake.
I've always had a good metabolism.

I am in Canada and getting regular bloodwork is not easy. What I do is once or twice a year my TRT Doctor does bloodwork to see where I am at.
To be honest at times I don't go long enough before the bloodwork and my Testosterone still shows high.
By the time I do blood after a blast be Estrogen and Progesterone are in good ranges. I am not able to find a Doctor that I can be open with and risk losing the ones I have if I tell them too much. Welcome to Canada.

I've been running the same cycles for about 6 years. It just seems to work for me and felt no need to experiment.

Summer - 14 weeks
T400 - 200mg EOD
Tren A - 100 mg EOD
Adex - 0.5 mg EOD
Prami - 0.25 mg ED (Seems to offset any Tren sides)
HCG - 500 twice a week
Progesterone - 4 mg day compound pump
Liver Supplement
Vitamin Supplementation

WINTER - 14 Weeks
Test E - 300 mg twice a week
EQ - 275 mg twice a week
D-Bol - 50 mg ED for 6 weeks
Adex - 0.5 mg 3 times a week
Prami - .025 mg ED (I find my sex drive much better with Prami)
HCG 500 twice a week
Progesterone - 4 mg day compound pump
Liver supplement
Vitamin Supplementation

So as I mentioned I do take breaks from the blasts above of about 12 weeks between
Presently off a blast for 12 weeks and my regiment is:
TRT - 200 Mg per week Test C
Tongkat Ali - 500 mg ED
Ostarine - 25 mg ED.
Adex - 0.5 twice a week
HCG 500 twice a week
Progesterone - 4 mg day compound pump
Liver Supplement
Vitamin Supplementation
My physique is close to the photo although I do bloat when my diet is off and too much salt.

Damn after writing it all I feel like a science experiment.

My training has taken a turn to lighter and higher reps as I have been nursing a shoulder issue for over a year.
My left side was a bicep tendon and healed up. The other side is something else. Likely rotator cuff. Seems to be healing now that I started taking Glucosimine and Creatine.

So as mentioned my goal is to keep a Summer tightness without the Tren as I have no patience with my fiancé when I am on it.
My buddy says maybe I need to change the fiance and not the Tren. LMAO. Also keep hearing that at my age, Tren is not the smartest choice. I always knew that but I love the stuff.

I am leaning towards a cycle like this:

T-400 - 600 mg week (I really like T-400)
MASTERON E - 400 mg week
Anavar - I think 60 mg a day for 6 weeks
Adex - 0.5 twice a week (I adjust as needed as I feel it in my hands when Estrogen is high)
HCG 500 twice a week
Progesterone - 4 mg day compound pump
Liver Supplement
Vitamin Supplementation

I was considering Primo but keep reading it can screw up my libido, and so much is fake.
So I am leaning towards Masteron

Questions I have are:
1) Is that a good Summer cycle? How would you tweak it?
2) Should I keep my libido on Masteron? Will it increase? That was what I loved about Tren.
3) Will the Anavar help or maybe a waste of money?
4) Would adding Cardarine help?

I had Covid two Christmases ago. The long Covid as all i wanted to do was sleep for 3 months. I never seem to get my energy level back before it. Yes I had two vaccines in me at the time. Let's not do the Covid debate. I know my body quite well. It changed something.

FYI - My only experience with Winstrol was it makes my joints ache.

I will likely keep my EQ cycle for Winter. Last time i did it I had bloating issues more than usual. Never figured it out fully.

So any advice and dosage advice would be great.
I have not dug too deep in the SARMS only cycle. Maybe next year.

Hope this gets me started as a Log everyone is asking for.
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@KCinToronto welcome to the EVO family, good start to your log!

diet and training please share more
diet, please share foods and when you eat them so we see at least a base for what you eat macros and such
training, please share actuals weights reps and sets at least exercises so we see what you do
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

cycle
On steroids, I wouldn't be running trenbolon eod at your age but thats up to you honestly.

and prami is a nasty drug, you should be using carbergoline (dostinex) instead\

sups
also whats your supplement intake?
which organ support you use?
you taking fiber psyllium?
probiotics?
digestive enzymes?
vitamin D?

on the pics
thanks for the pic in your avatar but i remember that 1 year old
please share a current pic of you face blurred
a pic of your

on the questions
1) i dont like the trenbolone for your age, primo is better
2) masteron is not a libido booster nothing compared to trenbolone, if you want more libido add more test
3) anavar can help why not 50mgs ed
4) 20mgs cardarine ed can help for sure split dose


you can add low dose NPP for any joint issues with winstrol

so please stay and keep sharing , a log is ongoing not just 1 time situation, you share as you go

ps question for you, you dont get pain from t400?
 
tren is pretty hardcore
i'm not a fan of it, its a dirty steroid IMO
 
i don't see any reason why not to use tren
same people saying don't use it cause you are old are the same ones who say not to use it when you are young
 
stick to your initial plan
it's not like you can't change things up if needed
 
tren, test, adex are good
make sure you get n2guard it works
 
forget the hcg
it does more bad then good
 
RoidRage69 said:
How about adding in 200mg NPP per week. That should help your shoulder out quite a bit. I have had alot of problems with mine and since I started 300mg of NPP per week I cant even tell I have any problem. I also take a small 200mg Masteron per week and I seem to have a strong libido on my cycle so I think the Deca Dick issue is if you use too much of it or maybe the Masteron at 200mg takes care of that.
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I will be adding in the NPP. I have never used it but thanks for the advice. I did some brief research and seems to be used for rotator cuff issues. Hoping it's my answer as I've been training through this for a year.

You mention to add Masteron? Some people are confusing what I wrote as my planned cycle is with Masteron. I'll clarify below once I reply to the questions.
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
@KCinToronto welcome to the EVO family, good start to your log!

diet and training please share more
diet, please share foods and when you eat them so we see at least a base for what you eat macros and such
training, please share actuals weights reps and sets at least exercises so we see what you do
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

cycle
On steroids, I wouldn't be running trenbolon eod at your age but thats up to you honestly.

and prami is a nasty drug, you should be using carbergoline (dostinex) instead\

sups
also whats your supplement intake?
which organ support you use?
you taking fiber psyllium?
probiotics?
digestive enzymes?
vitamin D?

on the pics
thanks for the pic in your avatar but i remember that 1 year old
please share a current pic of you face blurred
a pic of your

on the questions
1) i dont like the trenbolone for your age, primo is better
2) masteron is not a libido booster nothing compared to trenbolone, if you want more libido add more test
3) anavar can help why not 50mgs ed
4) 20mgs cardarine ed can help for sure split dose


you can add low dose NPP for any joint issues with winstrol

so please stay and keep sharing , a log is ongoing not just 1 time situation, you share as you go

ps question for you, you dont get pain from t400?
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OK I will do my best here but I am not going to be recording every workout, every weight, set, rep. We all know how to workout. Nor will I post my daily calorie intake or food. I'm 61 years old. Progress is not really my goal, maintenance for 10 more years would be awesome. No upcoming shows. My fiance could care less about my physique so nobody to impress but my mirror. LOL. Sorry I don't mean to be rude but I simply don't have the time to post daily. I'll do my best to post about any issues or changes as i go along though.

I'll give you a brief overvue of my training and diet and they really don't change
4 workouts a week
Day 1 - Chest and Biceps - 4 exercises for chest, 4 sets each. 3 exercises for Biceps, 4 sets each. I usually do a light warm up set for every single exercise and it often does not count as a set to me.
An example of my training range will be bench press by set 3 is 225 lbs for 10-12 reps. / Set 4 is 275lbs for 6 reps. I often don't go this high these days with the shoulder but if it feels good, I push it. I think my days of repping 3 plates is over.
I will alternate one to the other. So bench press, then seated bicep curls to keep moving and get it done in an hour.
My choice of exercises depends on what machines are free after the free weights.
Abs are often done between sets as well.

Day 2 - Back and Triceps - 4 exercises for back, 4 sets each. 3 exercises for Triceps, 4 sets each. The process is similar to above
It's been a long time since I did dead lifts. Always felt they were a high risk reward exercise.

Day 3 - Legs and Abs - 2 Exercises for quads, 2 for Hams and 2 for Calves. All exercises have 4 sets
I no longer do free squats. Mostly machines. We have a safety squat that provides a bit more stability. I do not hit my legs as hard as everything else. I still play hockey once or twice a week with 30 year olds. Over the years my legs have taken a beating so I am very careful.

Day 4 - Shoulders and Traps - 3 to 4 should exercises of 4 sets each and 2 trap exercises of 4 to 6 sets each. I have always found shoulders and traps to be hard for me to grow. So I really try to focus on them in one day. Lately it's been light and I don't do any overhead moves like shoulder press. I do want to get back to it.

I only do an actual 30 minutes of cardio once a week. I know, I need to work on that. I wanted to lie here. LOL

Here is an idea of my eating. You're all going to hate this.

Meal 1 (10:00 AM) - 2 scoops whey Protein with some blueberries and collagen powder. (Collagen has been about 6 months and seems useless)
This is also where I take all of my other supplements:
- 1 tablespoon of Tumeric with black pepper in warm water
- 5 mg Creatine Monohydrate in grape juice (Yep I am old school) I simply don't get much out of creatine unless taken this way.
- 1 tablespoon of Metamucil keeps me regular (think you asked about psyllium)
- Various vitamins including a Multi Vitamin, E, C, D, B12, Omega 3, Glucosamine Chondroitin added recently, Zinc, Magnesium
- For off my blast I add in Otariine and Tongaat Ali
My understanding is certain vitamins should not be taken together but I have never really looked too deep.

I normally train at 2:00 PM and that is all I have eaten before then

Meal 2 is anywhere from 4:00 - 6:00 PM. Almost always consists of chicken and rice.
Very little fruit or vegetables unless it is handed to me on a plate. I will at times have steak or lean ground beef

On weekends I do tend to eat some junk food. Although one could say most of my food is not even food.

Meal 3 - This will often be a mid evening protein shake

Meal 4 is non-existent. This is where I fall off. Late night snacks. i love chocolate and chips. People can not believe how I don't put on weight. Well the consistent training for 32 years could have something to do with it, plus the addition of GEAR at 48.

I take Milk Thistle and/or Liv52 when I can find it.
I do not take probiotics?
I do not take digestive enzymes?
Vitamin D is at 3000 IU and I hear I should increase it.

OK, go ahead and rip me up. My diet has never been great. All in all I have low calorie intake.

Thanks for the advice on Tren. That was the point of this entire post. What to take instead. I think people are confusing what my planned cycle is. I'll make it clear below.

What did you hate about Prami? No Nausea at all. I don't get any sides from it. Seems to help libido too.
I get bad Nausea from Melanotan 2. That will be another post. LOL

What kind of pain are you referring to from T400. Nothing I notice when I am not on it. As an example my shoulder has been sore during a cycle and when cruising. I cruise on Test C

I am considering Masteron over Primo for the reasons stated above. Primo seems to have a negative effect on people libido and is often not real from what I read. Cost is not really an issue but Masteron seems to be considered as good by some.

I think I answered most.
 
So some of you aren't seeing the cycle I want to do now. The SUMMER / WINTER I posted are past cycles.
This is what I am thinking of:

T-400 - 600 mg week (I really like T-400)
MASTERON E - 400 mg week
Anavar - I think 60 mg a day for 6 weeks
Adex - 0.5 twice a week (I adjust as needed as I feel it in my hands when Estrogen is high)
HCG 500 twice a week
Progesterone - 4 mg day compound pump
NPP - 200-300 mg week
Liver Supplement
Vitamin Supplementation

Any opinions, suggestions? I ordered some Primo too in case I change my mind. LOL. When I weighed what I read I think Masteron seemed better for me.
 
KCinToronto said:
I'll post something. I guarantee it won't be that different than the one posted. A bit more water and no tan. LOL
But that one was peaking on my tren cycle.
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@KCinToronto please post then we are waiting bro , EVO family here for you :)

KCinToronto said:
So some of you aren't seeing the cycle I want to do now. The SUMMER / WINTER I posted are past cycles.
This is what I am thinking of:

T-400 - 600 mg week (I really like T-400)
MASTERON E - 400 mg week
Anavar - I think 60 mg a day for 6 weeks
Adex - 0.5 twice a week (I adjust as needed as I feel it in my hands when Estrogen is high)
HCG 500 twice a week
Progesterone - 4 mg day compound pump
NPP - 200-300 mg week
Liver Supplement
Vitamin Supplementation

Any opinions, suggestions? I ordered some Primo too in case I change my mind. LOL. When I weighed what I read I think Masteron seemed better for me.
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I would go with primobolan and light masteron instead of high masteron dose.

Testosterone 500mgs/week
masteron 200mgs/week
primobolan 200mgs/week

Anavar 50mgs/day is enough
npp stay around 200mgs dont go higher
n2guard 7caps ed (organ liver support a must)

progesterone? what? why would you take progesterone clarify, thats a female hormone that can cause cancer in men
 
Bro no need for that much test. The tren just over power it. Go to 300mg weekly
 
LevButlerov said:
@KCinToronto please post then we are waiting bro , EVO family here for you :)


I would go with primobolan and light masteron instead of high masteron dose.

Testosterone 500mgs/week
masteron 200mgs/week
primobolan 200mgs/week

Anavar 50mgs/day is enough
npp stay around 200mgs dont go higher
n2guard 7caps ed (organ liver support a must)

progesterone? what? why would you take progesterone clarify, thats a female hormone that can cause cancer in men
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Thanks for our opinion. Much appreciated. Damn that will be about 3 ml of oil going in.
So can I mix it all in one shot? Test, Mast, Primo, and NPP

For the life of me I can not source N2Guard in Canada. I seem to see alot of threads online about this. Any substitute? I was able to get LIV52 which seems to be reviewed well. I was taking Liv52 and Milk Thistle last cycle.

The progesterone was prescribe by my TRT doctor. Came up low in bloodwork and seems to be a part of many mens TRT regiment. It's been awhile since I dug into it. It's a compound cream and I am not sure the 4mg I rub into my skin even gets into me. I've never found compound creams to be great. But it did seem to balance my progesterone as she is happy with the levels now.

After a quick search, I don't seem to see anything to verify your statement. Do you have any studies that have discovered a link to cancer in men? What kind of cancer.

And thanks for replying to the cycle
 
KCinToronto said:
Thanks for our opinion. Much appreciated. Damn that will be about 3 ml of oil going in.
So can I mix it all in one shot? Test, Mast, Primo, and NPP

For the life of me I can not source N2Guard in Canada. I seem to see alot of threads online about this. Any substitute? I was able to get LIV52 which seems to be reviewed well. I was taking Liv52 and Milk Thistle last cycle.

The progesterone was prescribe by my TRT doctor. Came up low in bloodwork and seems to be a part of many mens TRT regiment. It's been awhile since I dug into it. It's a compound cream and I am not sure the 4mg I rub into my skin even gets into me. I've never found compound creams to be great. But it did seem to balance my progesterone as she is happy with the levels now.

After a quick search, I don't seem to see anything to verify your statement. Do you have any studies that have discovered a link to cancer in men? What kind of cancer.

And thanks for replying to the cycle
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@KCinToronto 3ml going in is a lot sure
but you can split that into 2 glute shots per week around 3ml , left right glute

n2guard, its easy to get for Canadians here at n2bm
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/N2-GUARD-p75.html

progesterone is a bad idea to take, very bad, you're not a woman, you dont need to balance progesterone, its dangerous to do it
you can keep going but putting female hormones on yourself is not a smart idea

and update us on your training, and pics? any updates?
 
LevButlerov said:
@KCinToronto 3ml going in is a lot sure
but you can split that into 2 glute shots per week around 3ml , left right glute

n2guard, its easy to get for Canadians here at n2bm
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/N2-GUARD-p75.html

progesterone is a bad idea to take, very bad, you're not a woman, you dont need to balance progesterone, its dangerous to do it
you can keep going but putting female hormones on yourself is not a smart idea

and update us on your training, and pics? any updates?
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Damn that N2Guard isn't cheap.

So it can all go in one syringe right? I'm new to Mast, Primo and NPP

I had to laugh about your comment on progesterone. The amount of hormones I am about to inject and progesterone is the one we are concerned about? LOL. I do appreciate your concern. I'll do more research but can't seem to find anything indicating an issue with men taking it for TRT. Once again if you have any links I appreciate it.

No updates as my cycle has not started. Waiting on my Gear.

Pics coming below
 
Here are a couple of quick pics before I start the new cycle. Definitely some water compared to last Summer.
But not too far away. I'll have to add a better tan too. Remember 61 years old. LOL
 

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KCinToronto said:
Damn that N2Guard isn't cheap.

So it can all go in one syringe right? I'm new to Mast, Primo and NPP

I had to laugh about your comment on progesterone. The amount of hormones I am about to inject and progesterone is the one we are concerned about? LOL. I do appreciate your concern. I'll do more research but can't seem to find anything indicating an issue with men taking it for TRT. Once again if you have any links I appreciate it.

No updates as my cycle has not started. Waiting on my Gear.

Pics coming below
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@KCinToronto sure if you want the better products made for cycles you get what you pay for. I support n2guard and you can split a bottle into 2 months and very much worth it.

On the syringe yea you can put all oils into 1 syring mast/primo/npp but keep ml under 3ml.

Listen I'm not going to go toe to toe with you about progesterone, if you want to take female hormones go right ahead. No problem but I think its a foolish mistake to do so. Check my signature I've written a ton of articles about hormones.

Though I can write up why progesterone is bad for you but just no need at this point.

KCinToronto said:
Here are a couple of quick pics before I start the new cycle. Definitely some water compared to last Summer.
But not too far away. I'll have to add a better tan too. Remember 61 years old. LOL
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this is your new pic today? :)
looking amazing lean and strong bro
nice abs and you tight
i can see the cycle doing well
 
LevButlerov said:
@KCinToronto sure if you want the better products made for cycles you get what you pay for. I support n2guard and you can split a bottle into 2 months and very much worth it.

On the syringe yea you can put all oils into 1 syring mast/primo/npp but keep ml under 3ml.

Listen I'm not going to go toe to toe with you about progesterone, if you want to take female hormones go right ahead. No problem but I think its a foolish mistake to do so. Check my signature I've written a ton of articles about hormones.

Though I can write up why progesterone is bad for you but just no need at this point.


this is your new pic today? :)
looking amazing lean and strong bro
nice abs and you tight
i can see the cycle doing well
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Thanks so much for your advice and wisdom. Yes those posted pics were from Friday. My cruising on TRT usually holds me well. You'd be amazed how little I train lately too. 3 days a week and one day of hockey as this shoulder is holding me back. Spring time is a lot more to do outdoors too so I usually lean out.

I'll keep looking into progersterone. I feel good, good sex drive, I tend to take half a cialis for real performance but all in all it feels like a good balance. Trust me, I don't trust Canadian Doctors at all. So I am open. I just thought it would have been easy to find some research.

For N2Guard, at 210 caps a bottle you are saying 3 caps a day may be enough? At my age, supporting my liver is a priority.
I'll look deeper into the ingredients too.

Nice to see in your signature ACE is still around. I was certified a lifetime ago.

Thanks again,
 
KCinToronto said:
Thanks so much for your advice and wisdom. Yes those posted pics were from Friday. My cruising on TRT usually holds me well. You'd be amazed how little I train lately too. 3 days a week and one day of hockey as this shoulder is holding me back. Spring time is a lot more to do outdoors too so I usually lean out.

I'll keep looking into progersterone. I feel good, good sex drive, I tend to take half a cialis for real performance but all in all it feels like a good balance. Trust me, I don't trust Canadian Doctors at all. So I am open. I just thought it would have been easy to find some research.

For N2Guard, at 210 caps a bottle you are saying 3 caps a day may be enough? At my age, supporting my liver is a priority.
I'll look deeper into the ingredients too.

Nice to see in your signature ACE is still around. I was certified a lifetime ago.

Thanks again,
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@KCinToronto I think with progesterone its only good if you got it low on bloods, you have low progesterone on blood work? please share how the doctor came up with the idea of giving it to you.

N2guard at your age 3caps is enough to start that would be 2 months+ for a bottle worth it.

Now, even if you train a little, can you share what you doing?
how about meals/foods? can you start by sharing meal pics please :)
 
OK so a quick update.

CYCLE
This is pretty much my cycle but may need tweaking as I already notice some sexual changes (see below)
I inject Monday AM and Thursday PM

Testosterone 500mgs/week
masteron 200mgs/week
primobolan 200mgs/week
Anavar 50mgs/day is enough
npp - 200 mg
Adex - 0.5 twice a week (I adjust as needed as I feel it in my hands when Estrogen is high)
HCG 500 twice a week
Progesterone - 4 mg day compound pump (Yes I am still on it)
Liver Supplement Not N2Guard (I won't pay for that to come to Canada)

The first two injections were 2.75 of a needle and completely painless so I love that.

TRAINING

Training back to 4 days a week.
Monday Chest and Bi
Tuesday Back and Tri
Thurs Legs
Saturday will be shoulders and traps

Details aren't special as I pretty much do similar workouts all the time. Certainly seems to maintain.
Large muscles 4 sets, 8-15 reps
smaller muscles 3 sets 8-15 reps
First set is always a light warm up.
Next 3 sets are to failure

DIET

Same as mentioned above mainly revolving around Chicken, Rice, and protein shakes. And the odd fast food. I can't lie. I do love pizza once a week. LOL

And No, I will not take pics of my BBQ chicken. LOL

After one week of injecting my mood is up. Could be placebo but a week and a half on Anavar.

QUESTIONS
So some of these compounds are new to me and would love to know what sides I can expect.

1) Masteron and Primo and NPP are new to me. So as we know with Tren you can get tren cough, aggression, sleepless nights, sex problems. Dianabol you can get bad muscles cramps seem to be fixed with Taurine.

Are there any such side for Masteron, Primo or NPP

2) So seems I have a sexual issue. Last night, after second injection while having sex I had a hard time finishing and when I did volume was low. Can any of these compounds account for that? I think I read that Primo will lower estrogen on its own so should I back off of the Arimidex? Would it lower it that fast.

3) How long do you think it would take to see if NPP is helping with shoulder pain?

Thanks everyone
 
KCinToronto said:
OK so a quick update.

CYCLE
This is pretty much my cycle but may need tweaking as I already notice some sexual changes (see below)
I inject Monday AM and Thursday PM

Testosterone 500mgs/week
masteron 200mgs/week
primobolan 200mgs/week
Anavar 50mgs/day is enough
npp - 200 mg
Adex - 0.5 twice a week (I adjust as needed as I feel it in my hands when Estrogen is high)
HCG 500 twice a week
Progesterone - 4 mg day compound pump (Yes I am still on it)
Liver Supplement Not N2Guard (I won't pay for that to come to Canada)

The first two injections were 2.75 of a needle and completely painless so I love that.

TRAINING

Training back to 4 days a week.
Monday Chest and Bi
Tuesday Back and Tri
Thurs Legs
Saturday will be shoulders and traps

Details aren't special as I pretty much do similar workouts all the time. Certainly seems to maintain.
Large muscles 4 sets, 8-15 reps
smaller muscles 3 sets 8-15 reps
First set is always a light warm up.
Next 3 sets are to failure

DIET

Same as mentioned above mainly revolving around Chicken, Rice, and protein shakes. And the odd fast food. I can't lie. I do love pizza once a week. LOL

And No, I will not take pics of my BBQ chicken. LOL

After one week of injecting my mood is up. Could be placebo but a week and a half on Anavar.

QUESTIONS
So some of these compounds are new to me and would love to know what sides I can expect.

1) Masteron and Primo and NPP are new to me. So as we know with Tren you can get tren cough, aggression, sleepless nights, sex problems. Dianabol you can get bad muscles cramps seem to be fixed with Taurine.

Are there any such side for Masteron, Primo or NPP

2) So seems I have a sexual issue. Last night, after second injection while having sex I had a hard time finishing and when I did volume was low. Can any of these compounds account for that? I think I read that Primo will lower estrogen on its own so should I back off of the Arimidex? Would it lower it that fast.

3) How long do you think it would take to see if NPP is helping with shoulder pain?

Thanks everyone
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@KCinToronto cycle is not bad at all
dont go high doses stick to it

diet, you should take pics of meals? come on :) show us some love

questions
1) i would wait but i think you wont get many sides, its not tren
2) yea you will get low volume on semen thats not going to be fixed with arimidex or primo thats nonsense, primo estrogen lowering is also myth its like 5-10% in all studies or less for females in real life, so dont back off arimidex, adding hcgenerate will plump balls

3) no way to know 50/50 it might do nothing to your shoulders but 3-4 weeks generally

you understand its all guess work right? we need to see more updates as you go to really see how you are moving along bro :)

training you saying you NEVER change training? no cardio?
 
aside from the normal issues with AAS use masteron is a very strong hardener and for me it did contribute to more tight neck pain

NPP shoudl work very fast for joints in certain situations only, if you don't notice anything then that means the pain you have is more serious then just some lubrication needed. you probably have structural damage and should get an MRI
 
only thing i should change possibly is aromasin over adex
aromasin is a way better option
 
i would drop the hcg too
why pay for that ?
 
i suggest listening to the advice above
its good info
 
no need for hcg
it will spike progesterone and that's not good
 
keep your balls plump without hcg
you can use hcgenerate its all herbals and works
 
With mast and primo because they are DHT derivatives they can cause hair loss if you are prone to male pattern boldness, I was running 420 primo and bumped it up to a gram last week and no hair loss to report. I don’t get any sides from primo personally
 
KCinToronto said:
OK so a quick update.

CYCLE
This is pretty much my cycle but may need tweaking as I already notice some sexual changes (see below)
I inject Monday AM and Thursday PM

Testosterone 500mgs/week
masteron 200mgs/week
primobolan 200mgs/week
Anavar 50mgs/day is enough
npp - 200 mg
Adex - 0.5 twice a week (I adjust as needed as I feel it in my hands when Estrogen is high)
HCG 500 twice a week
Progesterone - 4 mg day compound pump (Yes I am still on it)
Liver Supplement Not N2Guard (I won't pay for that to come to Canada)

The first two injections were 2.75 of a needle and completely painless so I love that.

TRAINING

Training back to 4 days a week.
Monday Chest and Bi
Tuesday Back and Tri
Thurs Legs
Saturday will be shoulders and traps

Details aren't special as I pretty much do similar workouts all the time. Certainly seems to maintain.
Large muscles 4 sets, 8-15 reps
smaller muscles 3 sets 8-15 reps
First set is always a light warm up.
Next 3 sets are to failure

DIET

Same as mentioned above mainly revolving around Chicken, Rice, and protein shakes. And the odd fast food. I can't lie. I do love pizza once a week. LOL

And No, I will not take pics of my BBQ chicken. LOL

After one week of injecting my mood is up. Could be placebo but a week and a half on Anavar.

QUESTIONS
So some of these compounds are new to me and would love to know what sides I can expect.

1) Masteron and Primo and NPP are new to me. So as we know with Tren you can get tren cough, aggression, sleepless nights, sex problems. Dianabol you can get bad muscles cramps seem to be fixed with Taurine.

Are there any such side for Masteron, Primo or NPP

2) So seems I have a sexual issue. Last night, after second injection while having sex I had a hard time finishing and when I did volume was low. Can any of these compounds account for that? I think I read that Primo will lower estrogen on its own so should I back off of the Arimidex? Would it lower it that fast.

3) How long do you think it would take to see if NPP is helping with shoulder pain?

Thanks everyone
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I done dbols when I was younger lol man I couldn't even handle 20mg I cramped BAD!!!!
But I loved the feeling mentally haha
 
KCinToronto said:
OK so a quick update.

CYCLE
This is pretty much my cycle but may need tweaking as I already notice some sexual changes (see below)
I inject Monday AM and Thursday PM

Testosterone 500mgs/week
masteron 200mgs/week
primobolan 200mgs/week
Anavar 50mgs/day is enough
npp - 200 mg
Adex - 0.5 twice a week (I adjust as needed as I feel it in my hands when Estrogen is high)
HCG 500 twice a week
Progesterone - 4 mg day compound pump (Yes I am still on it)
Liver Supplement Not N2Guard (I won't pay for that to come to Canada)

The first two injections were 2.75 of a needle and completely painless so I love that.

TRAINING

Training back to 4 days a week.
Monday Chest and Bi
Tuesday Back and Tri
Thurs Legs
Saturday will be shoulders and traps

Details aren't special as I pretty much do similar workouts all the time. Certainly seems to maintain.
Large muscles 4 sets, 8-15 reps
smaller muscles 3 sets 8-15 reps
First set is always a light warm up.
Next 3 sets are to failure

DIET

Same as mentioned above mainly revolving around Chicken, Rice, and protein shakes. And the odd fast food. I can't lie. I do love pizza once a week. LOL

And No, I will not take pics of my BBQ chicken. LOL

After one week of injecting my mood is up. Could be placebo but a week and a half on Anavar.

QUESTIONS
So some of these compounds are new to me and would love to know what sides I can expect.

1) Masteron and Primo and NPP are new to me. So as we know with Tren you can get tren cough, aggression, sleepless nights, sex problems. Dianabol you can get bad muscles cramps seem to be fixed with Taurine.

Are there any such side for Masteron, Primo or NPP

2) So seems I have a sexual issue. Last night, after second injection while having sex I had a hard time finishing and when I did volume was low. Can any of these compounds account for that? I think I read that Primo will lower estrogen on its own so should I back off of the Arimidex? Would it lower it that fast.

3) How long do you think it would take to see if NPP is helping with shoulder pain?

Thanks everyone
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Need pics bro food and you
 
LevButlerov said:
@KCinToronto cycle is not bad at all
dont go high doses stick to it

diet, you should take pics of meals? come on :) show us some love

questions
1) i would wait but i think you wont get many sides, its not tren
2) yea you will get low volume on semen thats not going to be fixed with arimidex or primo thats nonsense, primo estrogen lowering is also myth its like 5-10% in all studies or less for females in real life, so dont back off arimidex, adding hcgenerate will plump balls

3) no way to know 50/50 it might do nothing to your shoulders but 3-4 weeks generally

you understand its all guess work right? we need to see more updates as you go to really see how you are moving along bro :)

training you saying you NEVER change training? no cardio?
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Thanks for the replies, I am keeping up with the arimidex as I tend to know when estrogen if high. Not only do I cry at sentimental commercials LOL, but my hands actually feel a bit numb.

I really do more of an instinctive training. For instance I know I am doing chest and biceps, and I know what exercises I want to do but i adjust based on what is available. I won't wait 15 minutes to watch some kid find the right song before every set just so I can get a bench.
In reality my training does not change often. I used to mix it up alot, but I find at my age, it's more about maintenance. I do have to face it, age catches up. As far as cardio, I am terrible. Way more in the Summer though. I do play hockey once a week witch isn't really cardio but keep my heart going, try to have sex a few times a week and way more outside work and walks etc. I've never done a lot of cardio. I know so much of my regiment is not standard bodybuilding 101, but I have always struggled with balance and simply never had 2 hours a day for the gym. Well maybe 30 years ago.

So talking about sex. I am having a bad side effect of not being able to orgasm when having sex. Or it is becoming very difficult to finish. Certainly helps with my cardio mind you. LOL.
If you were to guess, what compound would be causing that? Primo, Masteron or NPP. I've tried masteron before so I am thinking Primo or NPP. Just trying to narrow it down to adjust this cycle. Tren used to shut me down until I added Prami.

Any suggestions are always appreciated
 
Abolone said:
I done dbols when I was younger lol man I couldn't even handle 20mg I cramped BAD!!!!
But I loved the feeling mentally haha
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I'm with you on the feeling of Dbol. My body doesn't like Anadrol but responds well to Dbol. The cramping is very real, I remember going to my knees once during Lat Pulldowns my back cramped so bad. For me, adding Taurine completely helped.
 
KCinToronto said:
Thanks for the replies, I am keeping up with the arimidex as I tend to know when estrogen if high. Not only do I cry at sentimental commercials LOL, but my hands actually feel a bit numb.

I really do more of an instinctive training. For instance I know I am doing chest and biceps, and I know what exercises I want to do but i adjust based on what is available. I won't wait 15 minutes to watch some kid find the right song before every set just so I can get a bench.
In reality my training does not change often. I used to mix it up alot, but I find at my age, it's more about maintenance. I do have to face it, age catches up. As far as cardio, I am terrible. Way more in the Summer though. I do play hockey once a week witch isn't really cardio but keep my heart going, try to have sex a few times a week and way more outside work and walks etc. I've never done a lot of cardio. I know so much of my regiment is not standard bodybuilding 101, but I have always struggled with balance and simply never had 2 hours a day for the gym. Well maybe 30 years ago.

So talking about sex. I am having a bad side effect of not being able to orgasm when having sex. Or it is becoming very difficult to finish. Certainly helps with my cardio mind you. LOL.
If you were to guess, what compound would be causing that? Primo, Masteron or NPP. I've tried masteron before so I am thinking Primo or NPP. Just trying to narrow it down to adjust this cycle. Tren used to shut me down until I added Prami.

Any suggestions are always appreciated
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I had this same issue last year. In fact both myself and my wife had the same issue. The only thing I can think of is we were doing the OMAD diet and lots of fasting. I cant remember what I was on at the time to be honest. I think it was low dose TRT Test and 200mg EQ.
 
KCinToronto said:
Thanks for the replies, I am keeping up with the arimidex as I tend to know when estrogen if high. Not only do I cry at sentimental commercials LOL, but my hands actually feel a bit numb.

I really do more of an instinctive training. For instance I know I am doing chest and biceps, and I know what exercises I want to do but i adjust based on what is available. I won't wait 15 minutes to watch some kid find the right song before every set just so I can get a bench.
In reality my training does not change often. I used to mix it up alot, but I find at my age, it's more about maintenance. I do have to face it, age catches up. As far as cardio, I am terrible. Way more in the Summer though. I do play hockey once a week witch isn't really cardio but keep my heart going, try to have sex a few times a week and way more outside work and walks etc. I've never done a lot of cardio. I know so much of my regiment is not standard bodybuilding 101, but I have always struggled with balance and simply never had 2 hours a day for the gym. Well maybe 30 years ago.

So talking about sex. I am having a bad side effect of not being able to orgasm when having sex. Or it is becoming very difficult to finish. Certainly helps with my cardio mind you. LOL.
If you were to guess, what compound would be causing that? Primo, Masteron or NPP. I've tried masteron before so I am thinking Primo or NPP. Just trying to narrow it down to adjust this cycle. Tren used to shut me down until I added Prami.

Any suggestions are always appreciated
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@KCinToronto instinctive training is fine and thats cool for you , so how about you post some training as you do it? at least a few pics

on the cycle issue, if you cant orgasm, try adding some proviron and dostinex to it, I'm guessing its the npp and progestins

KCinToronto said:
I'm with you on the feeling of Dbol. My body doesn't like Anadrol but responds well to Dbol. The cramping is very real, I remember going to my knees once during Lat Pulldowns my back cramped so bad. For me, adding Taurine completely helped.
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I'd like to see you not use any orals IMO just stick to injectables for now so we can guage your situation better
 
when i used deca years ago same thing happened to me. i think its the nandrolone effect. it isn't particularly dangerous but more of an annoyance. would tell you to add proviron but you are already using masteron so don't won't help
 
KCinToronto said:
Thanks for the replies, I am keeping up with the arimidex as I tend to know when estrogen if high. Not only do I cry at sentimental commercials LOL, but my hands actually feel a bit numb.

I really do more of an instinctive training. For instance I know I am doing chest and biceps, and I know what exercises I want to do but i adjust based on what is available. I won't wait 15 minutes to watch some kid find the right song before every set just so I can get a bench.
In reality my training does not change often. I used to mix it up alot, but I find at my age, it's more about maintenance. I do have to face it, age catches up. As far as cardio, I am terrible. Way more in the Summer though. I do play hockey once a week witch isn't really cardio but keep my heart going, try to have sex a few times a week and way more outside work and walks etc. I've never done a lot of cardio. I know so much of my regiment is not standard bodybuilding 101, but I have always struggled with balance and simply never had 2 hours a day for the gym. Well maybe 30 years ago.

So talking about sex. I am having a bad side effect of not being able to orgasm when having sex. Or it is becoming very difficult to finish. Certainly helps with my cardio mind you. LOL.
If you were to guess, what compound would be causing that? Primo, Masteron or NPP. I've tried masteron before so I am thinking Primo or NPP. Just trying to narrow it down to adjust this cycle. Tren used to shut me down until I added Prami.

Any suggestions are always appreciated
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Generally bro this is caused by high E2, whilst NPP and TREN can increase prolactin levels, generally if E2 is kept in check then prolactin is less likely to be a problem, in my experience prolactin only becomes a problem when E2 isn’t managed properly, this is just my experience though brother
 
talk to your spouse
tell her your situation and make it a fun challenge for both of you
 
And lots of dudes cum too fast
not sure why it's a bad thing your situation
 
you will be fine
don't let the mental thing get to you
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
@KCinToronto instinctive training is fine and thats cool for you , so how about you post some training as you do it? at least a few pics

on the cycle issue, if you cant orgasm, try adding some proviron and dostinex to it, I'm guessing its the npp and progestins


I'd like to see you not use any orals IMO just stick to injectables for now so we can guage your situation better
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In 30 years of working out I think i have taken a photo once. So I don't see the reasoning for me posting I am working out with photos. What's that old line, if you don't post you were at the gym on Facebook, then it never happened. LOL. I don't mean to be rude but there seems to be a huge demand for photos on here of food and now me working out? I'll send progress pics in a few weeks but can we please back off asking for photos.

I do agree that all signs point to NPP. I may just take it out of the mix for a couple weeks and confirm.

The only oral I am taking is Anavar 40-60mg a day. You think that should go?
 
check out inks log on here
he is a porn star, maybe he can give you tips
 
you won't go wrong with some supplement
i know fadogia can help with loads
 
Wootoom said:
talk to your spouse
tell her your situation and make it a fun challenge for both of you
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Well she is the reason I am not on Tren. She read about it and knew why I was showing all the aggression side effects. Maybe she just gets on my nerves more every Spring. LOL.

When I met her 9 years ago was my first time trying Tren. I could not bust for like 2 months but could go all night. 9 years later, the last thing I want to do is go all night. ha ha.
 
You need to get off the progesterone. Too bad you are stopping the NPP. It really does make a difference with the shoulder. The masteron should combat any sides the NPP give you as far as sexual performance. The masteron will take 3-4 weeks before it starts doing its job. The NPP starts in 7-10 days so it will hinder sexual performance for a few weeks until the masteron kicks in. I also dont see any proviron in your stack. That would help as well.

Another thing I noticed. I always get a hardon soon after eating a bunch of carbs. I dont know if your dieting in a deficit or not, but if you are maybe you should at least eat carbs after you get home from the gym. My wife keeps on telling me all the carbs are going to my dick. LOL. Its weird though as that is what happens to me after every weight workout when I carb load.
 
RoidRage69 said:
You need to get off the progesterone. Too bad you are stopping the NPP. It really does make a difference with the shoulder. The masteron should combat any sides the NPP give you as far as sexual performance. The masteron will take 3-4 weeks before it starts doing its job. The NPP starts in 7-10 days so it will hinder sexual performance for a few weeks until the masteron kicks in. I also dont see any proviron in your stack. That would help as well.

Another thing I noticed. I always get a hardon soon after eating a bunch of carbs. I dont know if your dieting in a deficit or not, but if you are maybe you should at least eat carbs after you get home from the gym. My wife keeps on telling me all the carbs are going to my dick. LOL. Its weird though as that is what happens to me after every weight workout when I carb load.
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Gotta save that one for the archives, "all the carbs are going to your dick" - RoidRageWife
 
KCinToronto said:
In 30 years of working out I think i have taken a photo once. So I don't see the reasoning for me posting I am working out with photos. What's that old line, if you don't post you were at the gym on Facebook, then it never happened. LOL. I don't mean to be rude but there seems to be a huge demand for photos on here of food and now me working out? I'll send progress pics in a few weeks but can we please back off asking for photos.

I do agree that all signs point to NPP. I may just take it out of the mix for a couple weeks and confirm.

The only oral I am taking is Anavar 40-60mg a day. You think that should go?
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@KCinToronto there is a demand since we want to see your progress and where you're at bro :) dont take it negative, we are an EVO family here to help and support you, nothing bad about sharing a bit. No judgement zone here.
AND yes please at least share a few meal pics.

Anavar if you're doing 1 oral I would stick to 50mgs anavar thats the standard dose split AM 20mgs preworkout 30mgs on training days, non training go all AM.
 
RoidRage69 said:
You need to get off the progesterone. Too bad you are stopping the NPP. It really does make a difference with the shoulder. The masteron should combat any sides the NPP give you as far as sexual performance. The masteron will take 3-4 weeks before it starts doing its job. The NPP starts in 7-10 days so it will hinder sexual performance for a few weeks until the masteron kicks in. I also dont see any proviron in your stack. That would help as well.

Another thing I noticed. I always get a hardon soon after eating a bunch of carbs. I dont know if your dieting in a deficit or not, but if you are maybe you should at least eat carbs after you get home from the gym. My wife keeps on telling me all the carbs are going to my dick. LOL. Its weird though as that is what happens to me after every weight workout when I carb load.
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@RoidRage69 absolutely, he needs to be off progesterone, it makes no sense to be on it IMO.
 
KCinToronto said:
I think we all know your opinion on Tren. LMAO.
For now, I don't want to be single. I do miss it though.
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Tren and Tren only for body monster
 
KCinToronto said:
Thanks for the replies, I am keeping up with the arimidex as I tend to know when estrogen if high. Not only do I cry at sentimental commercials LOL, but my hands actually feel a bit numb.

I really do more of an instinctive training. For instance I know I am doing chest and biceps, and I know what exercises I want to do but i adjust based on what is available. I won't wait 15 minutes to watch some kid find the right song before every set just so I can get a bench.
In reality my training does not change often. I used to mix it up alot, but I find at my age, it's more about maintenance. I do have to face it, age catches up. As far as cardio, I am terrible. Way more in the Summer though. I do play hockey once a week witch isn't really cardio but keep my heart going, try to have sex a few times a week and way more outside work and walks etc. I've never done a lot of cardio. I know so much of my regiment is not standard bodybuilding 101, but I have always struggled with balance and simply never had 2 hours a day for the gym. Well maybe 30 years ago.

So talking about sex. I am having a bad side effect of not being able to orgasm when having sex. Or it is becoming very difficult to finish. Certainly helps with my cardio mind you. LOL.
If you were to guess, what compound would be causing that? Primo, Masteron or NPP. I've tried masteron before so I am thinking Primo or NPP. Just trying to narrow it down to adjust this cycle. Tren used to shut me down until I added Prami.

Any suggestions are always appreciated
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Comes with the territory
 
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