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I think @Liquid Gold Labs should be having some come in soon. Maybe touch base with him H5HVXUBF he can give you a better idea 
Trust me we are all waiting on primo
Trust me we are all waiting on primo
liquid gold 100% his looked after alot
Of us with primo.
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What’s the deal with raws atm? Is it a manufacturing issue or is it a customs issue?
Labs in China have been. Busted that make all raws due to making other things and are in jail primo is also gone and mast e also actually pretty much everything so guys be warned this is not good they are also clamling down on HGH as American market is clamping down on sema and reta and HGH will be the unfortunate collateral damage to all this.
Also China's inability to adapt and diversify into other markets and the stubborn nature of their busienss practices all raws production have moved to other countries but it's not proving to be as successful as China or stable.
We are not talking about finished vials here from China as there seem to be many resellers who just label and sell and order finished products.
Even they are feeling the linch and are out of stock of most and personally would not buy use finished products from. China. Hope. This helps.
Great transparency brother.. thanks for the heads up
Grim times ahead by the sounds of it.
Does this go for all raws including test e?
Fentanyl?
If so I thought the crackdown was last year, inventory has run dry now no doubt.
Yes
Well they went to jail for a while and also they are still raiding and arresting ppl
Test e is currently sold out from most raw suppliers most only have test C and test p left.....
I have family member living in China for last few decades. He says in China it’s all about saving face and what things look like not what they actually are - that they look like there’re doing something.
Eg they crack down, make a lot of public busts and arrests then eventually some money changes hands and selected groups ‘allowed’ to go back to side line businesses which allways existed in past.
Unfortunately is looking more and more like he may be wrong and they ain’t pretending this time. .
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Crackdown was under Biden with a joint task force between US and China, the current turbulent trade war could change things, but god knows what really goes on behind the political scenes.
The other concern is people getting desperate and giving fake/wrong compounds or just selling gear as one product, when it in fact isn't.
Obviously our trusted vendors are showing that isn't the case as you can see how many are out of Primo etc. Currently
I also do frequent China brother and yes they do deals and bribes but this time they are not playing around.... Its very bad but sadly serious rec drugs like fent absolutely are a stain on the world not only due to death but also due to ambulances and first responders needing many hits of narcan to bring them back and sometimes cant (I think one i spoke to recently said one patient took 8 hits to come back don't know if true or not but who knows)
Had a supplier I know from around 5 years that was just selling peptides not known very well here tell me she was scared they would get busted and within a week she was and they are now all in jail.
So even the bribes have slowed down and this is the issue.
Tariffs are smashing them also. As the government looks to clean up that sector as these rec drugs have flooded America and other countries causing serious issues.
Its even affected the quality of botox coming in from China its all just watered down rubbish from what I am hearing so even the beauty industry is taking some huge hits.
This right here
Much of the raw are fake also so vendors need better sources to be honest
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What's changed is that in america a certain weight of product/value was exempt from customs inspections and they have stopped that now and are. Tweaking this but it will. Be a huge amount of inspections so I don't know how enforceable this will be
You got to use the discount code at checkout bro
Could low wholesale raw levels also be scarcity buying from vendors.
As far as Aus is concerned if it means a reduction in the amount of Meth on the streets then it's a bloody good thing. Bad for Peds market unfortunately
@ODINLABS I'm looking to buy 1 vial of test a month. Looking for a bulk discount as well bro since it's for a bulk cycle. @Wheelhouse87 ill be coming by to hide my new bulk test in your bunker.
On a completely unrelated note for my work I had some want us to drop the price of a product by about 30% for no reason other then they thought they should have a discount. We had already discounted the item.
Also this customer owns a huge business of his own and has multiple properties so he's not poor. The item was only 1100.
I had to waste about 2 hours of back and forth emails explaining we wouldn't lower the price.
Sometimes I wish I could just pull an odin and tell them to fuck off
On a completely unrelated note for my work I had some want us to drop the price of a product by about 30% for no reason other then they thought they should have a discount. We had already discounted the item.
Also this customer owns a huge business of his own and has multiple properties so he's not poor. The item was only 1100.
I had to waste about 2 hours of back and forth emails explaining we wouldn't lower the price.
Sometimes I wish I could just pull an odin and tell them to fuck off
Looool epic post@ODINLABS I'm looking to buy 1 vial of test a month. Looking for a bulk discount as well bro since it's for a bulk cycle. @Wheelhouse87 ill be coming by to hide my new bulk test in your bunker.
On a completely unrelated note for my work I had some want us to drop the price of a product by about 30% for no reason other then they thought they should have a discount. We had already discounted the item.
Also this customer owns a huge business of his own and has multiple properties so he's not poor. The item was only 1100.
I had to waste about 2 hours of back and forth emails explaining we wouldn't lower the price.
Sometimes I wish I could just pull an odin and tell them to fuck off
Done.....
Give it 1/2 months all back to normal Aussie customs and abf have been seizing a lot they target country of origin lola and grace who supplied raws some gronk who got kicked snitched to afp abf ect and fucked it for everyone well see how long it lasts
Smokes and vapes are big target ATM
Lola and grace lol
These are just two supliers there was no snitch if you send 100s of packages from. The same area and coming primarily to one country you will get done ffs not even stealth.
You have literally heard of two suppliers and somehow. Used a snitch mentality from. Watching crime dramas.
Real fact many packages are. Coming in no issue they are not targeting one supplier.... like through history they target ppl who are stupid and get caught.
Grace and Lola are. Sales reps names there are many grace and lolas throughout China.
You will find its a guy and they are just using highly recognizable "white" names.
Lol. @ 1-2 months
The labs that make the raws have been busted brother I know I saw it firsthand over there whole. Factories abandoned....
And more than the above stated raws are gone I don't think you know what is going on.
lmao 1st class names
LoLa, Grace, Stella, Pinata, Tina, Ding Dong du, Kinki Tinky Winky etc
LoLa, Grace, Stella, Pinata, Tina, Ding Dong du, Kinki Tinky Winky etc
I know aye. Shows how much they know about us
Sounds like they got them from the local strip club or brothel
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Most know very little of the goings on.
China at the moment is getting ass raped they are shutting companies down who make oils orals ect and raws the same factory vendors may or may not have bought raws made fentanyl as well give it 1/2 months
This is by far one of the most constructive and detailed posts—appreciate you being open about the topic, Odin. Your insight is valued.
It’s not about someone snitching, it comes down to plain greed. It appears many vendors were using the same source, leading to a significant volume of parcels moving through the system both in and out. Eventually, ABF picked up on the pattern. It’s not difficult for them to recognise similarities between packages, even if they’re addressed to different states and suburbs. Once the sender was flagged, anything inbound from them began getting inspected.
Many vendors fall into the same trap, using multiple addresses to stay under the radar, but once the volume increases, it’s only a matter of time before it catches up with them. Unfortunately, all good things usually come to an end. That’s just the nature of the game.
It’s a recurring cycle, vendors identify a supplier successfully shipping to Australia, take advantage of it for a period and eventually find themselves back at square one.
Also, despite how “stealth” some vendors believe they are with communications, once attention is drawn, there’s always something that gets uncovered. The smallest details often prove to be the most critical.
If you know, you know.
Appreciate this guys a lot thankyouThank God we have @ODINLABS here to keep the masses informed.
He didn't have to go out of his way to shut down misinformation but he's done it anyway.
Like weir said very well put together response.
Honestly you're an asset and we are lucky to have you among us
But we have to make sure you are properly informed and not be mushrooms (fed shit kept in the dark)
Yeah broher I am seeing this day in day out more and more.
There is so much more even than this, ppl should always have this in mind when ordering from us....
Super informed and knowledgeable guy thats been in the business for a long time.. have had many good chats with him since sponsorship and I'm confident anyone using his gear is getting A+ quality.Thank God we have @ODINLABS here to keep the masses informed.
He didn't have to go out of his way to shut down misinformation but he's done it anyway.
Like weir said very well put together response.
Honestly you're an asset and we are lucky to have you among us
Sadly they have jumped onto the next thing being bute they don't learn and you try and tell them but they simply won't listen brother it's like a going out of business sale for them daily.
The fact and point you are correct, yes factories have been ass raped I know this myself and I saw it first hand, yes there was a snitch because a lot of Sydney packages have been seized first hand information. The bloke who opened his mouth had a dummy spit because he got booted..
Yes lola and grace are just western names I know this..... Sales reps correct
Anyways 1/2 months time will tell it will all settle down
They don't care simple...
Lol my information is very accurate what I say I don't pull out of my ass or thin airThank God we have @ODINLABS here to keep the masses informed.
He didn't have to go out of his way to shut down misinformation but he's done it anyway.
Like weir said very well put together response.
Honestly you're an asset and we are lucky to have you among us
take it as you wishThe fact of the matter there was a snitch........ But hurt little flopThis is by far one of the most constructive and detailed posts—appreciate you being open about the topic, Odin. Your insight is valued.
It’s not about someone snitching, it comes down to plain greed. It appears many vendors were using the same source, leading to a significant volume of parcels moving through the system both in and out. Eventually, ABF picked up on the pattern. It’s not difficult for them to recognise similarities between packages, even if they’re addressed to different states and suburbs. Once the sender was flagged, anything inbound from them began getting inspected.
Many vendors fall into the same trap, using multiple addresses to stay under the radar, but once the volume increases, it’s only a matter of time before it catches up with them. Unfortunately, all good things usually come to an end. That’s just the nature of the game.
It’s a recurring cycle, vendors identify a supplier successfully shipping to Australia, take advantage of it for a period and eventually find themselves back at square one.
Also, despite how “stealth” some vendors believe they are with communications, once attention is drawn, there’s always something that gets uncovered. The smallest details often prove to be the most critical.
If you know, you know.
Bro they all dob each other in, they crave fentanyl, heroine ect and super jump for coke and big market ATM is vapes and ciggies
From what i know (which is FA compared to Odin and probably other vendors that actually brew) it's from the source itself in China that are being shut down so I'd say it's not just localised to us. It would be to anyone getting raws from the Chinese suppliers that have been busted
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Well, your half rightLol my information is very accurate what I say I don't pull out of my ass or thin air
Surely not taking pissBro wtf are these accounts coming out of thin air
bigpharma vs bighogpharma... it's like a match made in heaven Not taking the piss, if you check the account been around some monthsBro wtf are these accounts coming out of thin air
They are probably just passing on the eta they are given
It's been eta 2-3 weeks for months
Exactly but also, I'd rather our vendors keep pushing ETA's back then getting desperate and saying they have Primo but giving us another compound instead. Just means they do have the customers in mind instead of trying to make a easy buck in an exposed market for primo.
Msst e available primo not at the moment or the near future I don't know who has said primo available soon surely they are taking the piss.
ah this really sucks hey. Sorry guys, this is cos I started gear recently. The universe hates me
On serious note if doesn’t get sorted somehow ain’t good for those who can’t PCT / really need this stuff for normal quality of life. Clinics are shutting down all over place also.
Lol a snitch....
No 1/2 months will be the same sorry but this is the reality and giving ppl false hope is wrong man
Stock up broah this really sucks hey. Sorry guys, this is cos I started gear recently. The universe hates me
On serious note if doesn’t get sorted somehow ain’t good for those who can’t PCT / really need this stuff for normal quality of life. Clinics are shutting down all over place also.
Flash sale!
it will be like Robins kitchen stores soon.. 40%off closing down sales every 2 months but never close downYes of course in China now there is nothing.... Pls keep this in mindGetting me worried now
I believe prices will be going up to reflect this.
Yeah knows nothingAsk bigpharma, apparently he knows everything
I would not listen to this person at all information totally incorrect
Of course lolSounds expensive
I keep telling you guys. Ya gotta use the discount codeSounds expensive
SurelySounds expensive
only for bulk though just make sure to haggle him down
code imafuckwit10?
Hmmmm.. is there a discount if i send back my empty vials to be refilled
Should do lolCan just imagine @ODINLABS increases the price for those that ask for lower pricing.
Yeah it's now 120 a vial because you asked for a discount
Nothing gay about loving your homiesNnaaahhh Odin would always keep a secret stash for his Logger Loveboys
Its only gay if you sneeze while looking back and pushing back.
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Meh C and E same and even ryme lolGetting me worried now
Not if cheese is involved
I see no gay there
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some good posts from Odin
Raw situation hasnt changed much from the start of the year, limited variety of raws still hard to get at times
Yes you may get the odd supplier getting the odd primo or mast etc from the factories
Ive noticed few china suppliers now turning to peptides to make ends meet
Raw situation hasnt changed much from the start of the year, limited variety of raws still hard to get at times
Yes you may get the odd supplier getting the odd primo or mast etc from the factories
Ive noticed few china suppliers now turning to peptides to make ends meet
Yes all suppliers turning to peptides
Would be weary or any primo and mast coming from China ATM ask for COA on all products
Come on man, COA from China is probably the most highly faked document in China. I was in the supplement business for years and I could obtain a COA from a 3 year old if I needed one.
I was talking about an official COA from. The lab they buy the actual raws from.
I didn't clarify.
OK buddy of course you know better though
Supplement industry and pharmaceutical industry is exactly the same..... 3 year old lol from the manufacture can acquire a COA? Really? Gifted 3/yo
Look don't mean to be rude but are you seriously questioning someone who has been doing this for 2/decades and using your experience in the supplement industry as a basis for this......
Let’s be realistic, no one is obtaining raw materials directly from manufacturers, let alone receiving legitimate COAs. These manufacturers aren’t interested in working with a handful of underground labs. That role is typically left to intermediaries who saturate the market with “Made in China” website. Even in the supplement industry, BCAA, glutamine, creatine, etc. Unless you’re placing orders in tonnage, you’re likely sourcing through yet another middleman like “Lola and Grace.” In many cases, the paperwork is more counterfeit than the product itself.
If you want to take it a step further, even packing lists and import declarations can be falsified to avoid or minimize taxes when bringing goods into the country.
I respect your perspective and the points you’ve made, but let’s not pretend a COA alone is enough to ensure product integrity.
At this point, it’s more about trusting your source and hoping they haven’t been compromised by their supplier and that what you receive is what it’s claimed to be.
If I were purchasing anything exotic and high risk and if shipments do start coming through again, I’d be independently sending samples to Janoshik for verification.
We both know a single Janoshik test isn’t going to validate the dozens of 50–100g packages moving through the system. Even in the hypothetical scenario where a vendor is importing by the kilogram or 25kg drum, batch to batch consistency would still be impossible to guarantee without continuous testing.
If you’ve been in this industry for two decades, then you already know who I am and what I’ve been involved with. Believe me when I say 25kg drums was normal in the 2000’s.
This was talking about a new vendor getting some. Peace of mind via a. COA. can. It. Be faked yes but it may or may not happenLet’s be realistic, no one is obtaining raw materials directly from manufacturers, let alone receiving legitimate COAs. These manufacturers aren’t interested in working with a handful of underground labs. That role is typically left to intermediaries who saturate the market with “Made in China” website. Even in the supplement industry, BCAA, glutamine, creatine, etc. Unless you’re placing orders in tonnage, you’re likely sourcing through yet another middleman like “Lola and Grace.” In many cases, the paperwork is more counterfeit than the product itself.
If you want to take it a step further, even packing lists and import declarations can be falsified to avoid or minimize taxes when bringing goods into the country.
I respect your perspective and the points you’ve made, but let’s not pretend a COA alone is enough to ensure product integrity.
At this point, it’s more about trusting your source and hoping they haven’t been compromised by their supplier and that what you receive is what it’s claimed to be.
If I were purchasing anything exotic and high risk and if shipments do start coming through again, I’d be independently sending samples to Janoshik for verification.
We both know a single Janoshik test isn’t going to validate the dozens of 50–100g packages moving through the system. Even in the hypothetical scenario where a vendor is importing by the kilogram or 25kg drum, batch to batch consistency would still be impossible to guarantee without continuous testing.
If you’ve been in this industry for two decades, then you already know who I am and what I’ve been involved with. Believe me when I say 25kg drums was normal in the 2000’s.
Sorry I don't know you and who you are and what you're involved in... And honestly bro whynwoukd I focus on someone else? Check your ego.
Its just become a running joke ppl on the net "you don't know who I am"
OK yeah alright when most of the time you are no one like you should want to be if you have done your job right and kept the heat off you.
25 kg drums OK bud
Well you where obviously busted if you where doing. This and sending to poboxes or businesses as was the norm. Back then.
Yes you can get actual COA from. manufacturers the problem. Comes where it goes after the manufacturing.And how they tamper with it.
China I'd a no. Go. Right now manufacturing has been busted as they where into other things obviously.
Perfect response!
All dicks aside
, I just want to say how genuinely grateful I am for the lengths so many of you vendors have gone to in order to provide such a wide range of products. Not too long ago, take GH for example, you’d be looking at over $1000 a kit and stability was always a gamble. By the time it arrived after weeks in transit, it was often bunk.So a big thank you to everyone involved in supporting the Aussie community, even through tough times. Here’s hoping we can continue to enjoy access to a solid range of quality products.
All good things come to an end. Even vendors been around for decades have had their fair share with ABF. They just don’t admit it.
Wonder how long 25kilo would last me.Let’s be realistic, no one is obtaining raw materials directly from manufacturers, let alone receiving legitimate COAs. These manufacturers aren’t interested in working with a handful of underground labs. That role is typically left to intermediaries who saturate the market with “Made in China” website. Even in the supplement industry, BCAA, glutamine, creatine, etc. Unless you’re placing orders in tonnage, you’re likely sourcing through yet another middleman like “Lola and Grace.” In many cases, the paperwork is more counterfeit than the product itself.
If you want to take it a step further, even packing lists and import declarations can be falsified to avoid or minimize taxes when bringing goods into the country.
I respect your perspective and the points you’ve made, but let’s not pretend a COA alone is enough to ensure product integrity.
At this point, it’s more about trusting your source and hoping they haven’t been compromised by their supplier and that what you receive is what it’s claimed to be.
If I were purchasing anything exotic and high risk and if shipments do start coming through again, I’d be independently sending samples to Janoshik for verification.
We both know a single Janoshik test isn’t going to validate the dozens of 50–100g packages moving through the system. Even in the hypothetical scenario where a vendor is importing by the kilogram or 25kg drum, batch to batch consistency would still be impossible to guarantee without continuous testing.
If you’ve been in this industry for two decades, then you already know who I am and what I’ve been involved with. Believe me when I say 25kg drums was normal in the 2000’s.
If 1 gram a week continuous that’s 25 thousand weeks or about 500 years
More importantly if it all goes to shit will there be something for feeble people like me who have shite base lines / can’t really PCT ? Guessing if ug raws really do disappear there will still be ug pharma ?
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Still not enough for my doomsday bunker. I'd be scared I'd spill 491 years worth on the first dayWonder how long 25kilo would last me.
If 1 gram a week continuous that’s 25 thousand weeks or about 500 years
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