Test E PIP 400mg

[sebh]

Good Morning/Afterrnoon or Evening Evo family,

Just wanted to share my experience and hopefully get some feedback/reinforced clarification

Current cycle
400mg/ml Test E from @Gold Standard Labs
100mg of Tren E from @ODINLABS (old vendor)
6iu of HGH from @Prymal

Injection protocol
Test 1ML injected once weekly
Tren 0.5ml injected once weekly
HGH 60iu before bed

My dimensions
28, 5’7, 86kg fasted at 18% bodyfat

History
TRT 2022-2025
250mg Test E (various vendors) Jan 2026-April 2026

Now that I’ve set the scene, I feel pretty embarrassed as a Dr (2nd year resident) to have experienced some pretty debilitating PIP from the test injection.

Last week, Wednesday, I pinned 0.5ml of Tren E 200mg, IM into the right lateral delt using a 30g needle, warmed the oil, injection took just under 20 seconds. No issues, knots or pip for the last week. Injection has been fine and haven’t had an issue.

However I replicated the same process for the Test E, 1ML through a 30g needle (not slin pin), IM into the left delt, oil warmed, injection took just under a minute. Within the first 24 hours there some slight pain from the injection, which rapidly grew over the next week. After 48 hours it was tender to the touch, couldn’t sleep on it, lateral movement of the shoulder was painful, overhead pressing was extremely difficult.

It took almost a whole week post injection for the pain to recover, using nurofen daily to reduce the pain.

Now my medical understanding believes that because of the concentration at 400mg/ml, plus the increased used of solvents, the post injection pain was more severe.

Initially I was thinking the injection was too shallow using the 30g, however I had no issues with Tren Injection so I don’t think needle length is the issue, however I can go to 27g 16mm if necessary, I just hate needles .

i also thought that maybe the lateral delt couldn’t hold the volume, but at 1ml I believe that’s ok as well.

So presuming that it lies with the oil concentration, split dosages would be the best bet, so my question(s) would be:

Should I split the dosage to E3.5 days 0.5ml 200mg or would I run into the same issue? I was thinking about using the ventroglute and lats if needed

Would I also run into the same issue regardless if I used 1ml into the ventroglute, given the muscle has more volume to hold (3ml) the oil may better disperse more?

Thankyou all for your time and help in advance, it may seem really dumb and probably an obvious solution but as I take the next step in growing I want to be as certain as possible

 

[Coolguy]

Good Morning/Afterrnoon or Evening Evo family,

Just wanted to share my experience and hopefully get some feedback/reinforced clarification

Current cycle
400mg/ml Test E from @Gold Standard Labs
100mg of Tren E from @ODINLABS (old vendor)
6iu of HGH from @Prymal

Injection protocol
Test 1ML injected once weekly
Tren 0.5ml injected once weekly
HGH 60iu before bed

My dimensions
28, 5’7, 86kg fasted at 18% bodyfat

History
TRT 2022-2025
250mg Test E (various vendors) Jan 2026-April 2026

Now that I’ve set the scene, I feel pretty embarrassed as a Dr (2nd year resident) to have experienced some pretty debilitating PIP from the test injection.

Last week, Wednesday, I pinned 0.5ml of Tren E 200mg, IM into the right lateral delt using a 30g needle, warmed the oil, injection took just under 20 seconds. No issues, knots or pip for the last week. Injection has been fine and haven’t had an issue.

However I replicated the same process for the Test E, 1ML through a 30g needle (not slin pin), IM into the left delt, oil warmed, injection took just under a minute. Within the first 24 hours there some slight pain from the injection, which rapidly grew over the next week. After 48 hours it was tender to the touch, couldn’t sleep on it, lateral movement of the shoulder was painful, overhead pressing was extremely difficult.

It took almost a whole week post injection for the pain to recover, using nurofen daily to reduce the pain.

Now my medical understanding believes that because of the concentration at 400mg/ml, plus the increased used of solvents, the post injection pain was more severe.

Initially I was thinking the injection was too shallow using the 30g, however I had no issues with Tren Injection so I don’t think needle length is the issue, however I can go to 27g 16mm if necessary, I just hate needles .

i also thought that maybe the lateral delt couldn’t hold the volume, but at 1ml I believe that’s ok as well.

So presuming that it lies with the oil concentration, split dosages would be the best bet, so my question(s) would be:

Should I split the dosage to E3.5 days 0.5ml 200mg or would I run into the same issue? I was thinking about using the ventroglute and lats if needed

Would I also run into the same issue regardless if I used 1ml into the ventroglute, given the muscle has more volume to hold (3ml) the oil may better disperse more?

Thankyou all for your time and help in advance, it may seem really dumb and probably an obvious solution but as I take the next step in growing I want to be as certain as possible

Best bet would be to try another site.
I have issues with my delts regardless of what I inject. Most of the time.
If there's an issue with the second injection definitely let gold know but I haven't heard anyone else having issues from his batch of test e even at the 400mg.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Good Morning/Afterrnoon or Evening Evo family,

Just wanted to share my experience and hopefully get some feedback/reinforced clarification

Current cycle
400mg/ml Test E from @Gold Standard Labs
100mg of Tren E from @ODINLABS (old vendor)
6iu of HGH from @Prymal

Injection protocol
Test 1ML injected once weekly
Tren 0.5ml injected once weekly
HGH 60iu before bed

My dimensions
28, 5’7, 86kg fasted at 18% bodyfat

History
TRT 2022-2025
250mg Test E (various vendors) Jan 2026-April 2026

Now that I’ve set the scene, I feel pretty embarrassed as a Dr (2nd year resident) to have experienced some pretty debilitating PIP from the test injection.

Last week, Wednesday, I pinned 0.5ml of Tren E 200mg, IM into the right lateral delt using a 30g needle, warmed the oil, injection took just under 20 seconds. No issues, knots or pip for the last week. Injection has been fine and haven’t had an issue.

However I replicated the same process for the Test E, 1ML through a 30g needle (not slin pin), IM into the left delt, oil warmed, injection took just under a minute. Within the first 24 hours there some slight pain from the injection, which rapidly grew over the next week. After 48 hours it was tender to the touch, couldn’t sleep on it, lateral movement of the shoulder was painful, overhead pressing was extremely difficult.

It took almost a whole week post injection for the pain to recover, using nurofen daily to reduce the pain.

Now my medical understanding believes that because of the concentration at 400mg/ml, plus the increased used of solvents, the post injection pain was more severe.

Initially I was thinking the injection was too shallow using the 30g, however I had no issues with Tren Injection so I don’t think needle length is the issue, however I can go to 27g 16mm if necessary, I just hate needles .

i also thought that maybe the lateral delt couldn’t hold the volume, but at 1ml I believe that’s ok as well.

So presuming that it lies with the oil concentration, split dosages would be the best bet, so my question(s) would be:

Should I split the dosage to E3.5 days 0.5ml 200mg or would I run into the same issue? I was thinking about using the ventroglute and lats if needed

Would I also run into the same issue regardless if I used 1ml into the ventroglute, given the muscle has more volume to hold (3ml) the oil may better disperse more?

Thankyou all for your time and help in advance, it may seem really dumb and probably an obvious solution but as I take the next step in growing I want to be as certain as possible

Thanks for the detailed post brother and I think you're ready to turn this into a log. Can you post pics of your base physique for us and then we can give you the "how to" on how become an EVO VIP logger so you can keep us updated here as you go.

Now that I’ve set the scene, I feel pretty embarrassed as a Dr (2nd year resident) to have experienced some pretty debilitating PIP from the test injection.

No shame in this at all bro. No matter our profession we are all new to this until we get some experience under our belts. I would avoid delts for now and try different sites like glutes. Glutes are the most forgiving spot to learn to pin on.
Your best bet is to visit here https://trtinjections.com/
You'll find a how to guide on all sites you can inject and find which ones work best for you. Keep in mind the PIP can be most bothersome when you're first starting out too and over time it becomes less noticeable.

 

[rizzlekdizzle]

I would go anything high mg concentration in the glutes

 

[Shakey]

Good Morning/Afterrnoon or Evening Evo family,

Just wanted to share my experience and hopefully get some feedback/reinforced clarification

Current cycle
400mg/ml Test E from @Gold Standard Labs
100mg of Tren E from @ODINLABS (old vendor)
6iu of HGH from @Prymal

Injection protocol
Test 1ML injected once weekly
Tren 0.5ml injected once weekly
HGH 60iu before bed

My dimensions
28, 5’7, 86kg fasted at 18% bodyfat

History
TRT 2022-2025
250mg Test E (various vendors) Jan 2026-April 2026

Now that I’ve set the scene, I feel pretty embarrassed as a Dr (2nd year resident) to have experienced some pretty debilitating PIP from the test injection.

Last week, Wednesday, I pinned 0.5ml of Tren E 200mg, IM into the right lateral delt using a 30g needle, warmed the oil, injection took just under 20 seconds. No issues, knots or pip for the last week. Injection has been fine and haven’t had an issue.

However I replicated the same process for the Test E, 1ML through a 30g needle (not slin pin), IM into the left delt, oil warmed, injection took just under a minute. Within the first 24 hours there some slight pain from the injection, which rapidly grew over the next week. After 48 hours it was tender to the touch, couldn’t sleep on it, lateral movement of the shoulder was painful, overhead pressing was extremely difficult.

It took almost a whole week post injection for the pain to recover, using nurofen daily to reduce the pain.

Now my medical understanding believes that because of the concentration at 400mg/ml, plus the increased used of solvents, the post injection pain was more severe.

Initially I was thinking the injection was too shallow using the 30g, however I had no issues with Tren Injection so I don’t think needle length is the issue, however I can go to 27g 16mm if necessary, I just hate needles .

i also thought that maybe the lateral delt couldn’t hold the volume, but at 1ml I believe that’s ok as well.

So presuming that it lies with the oil concentration, split dosages would be the best bet, so my question(s) would be:

Should I split the dosage to E3.5 days 0.5ml 200mg or would I run into the same issue? I was thinking about using the ventroglute and lats if needed

Would I also run into the same issue regardless if I used 1ml into the ventroglute, given the muscle has more volume to hold (3ml) the oil may better disperse more?

Thankyou all for your time and help in advance, it may seem really dumb and probably an obvious solution but as I take the next step in growing I want to be as certain as possible

Hey bro. Im running @OxygenPharm T-400. It mix is 100mg of Test C, Test D, Test E and Test P each. Not sure the carrier oil but it also has Ethyl Oleate which although is used as a carrier is technically a solvent. Most high concentration oils need EO to increase solubility but EO is also used to thin oil for smoother injections.

I get zero pip with the T-400 but do mostly my thighs i rotate between 3 different quad muscles on each leg. In 2 days ill try my delt with it.

With MCT oil i noticed id get swelling in my delt and my vastus medialis didnt like it either. I think because the vastus atleast is a denser muscle and the delt being smaller is why i noticed the swelling at those locations. Perhaps i have an allergy to MCT or something.

My advice, split dose EOD in you ventro or quads. I find center and outer side of thigh good spots. I do a quick flex so i can make sure not to go between muscle groups. If it seems to be fine then, retry delt with the smaller volume. Ive heard some just have certain muscles that dont like injections.

 

[LevButlerov]

Good Morning/Afterrnoon or Evening Evo family,

Just wanted to share my experience and hopefully get some feedback/reinforced clarification

Current cycle
400mg/ml Test E from @Gold Standard Labs
100mg of Tren E from @ODINLABS (old vendor)
6iu of HGH from @Prymal

Injection protocol
Test 1ML injected once weekly
Tren 0.5ml injected once weekly
HGH 60iu before bed

My dimensions
28, 5’7, 86kg fasted at 18% bodyfat

History
TRT 2022-2025
250mg Test E (various vendors) Jan 2026-April 2026

Now that I’ve set the scene, I feel pretty embarrassed as a Dr (2nd year resident) to have experienced some pretty debilitating PIP from the test injection.

Last week, Wednesday, I pinned 0.5ml of Tren E 200mg, IM into the right lateral delt using a 30g needle, warmed the oil, injection took just under 20 seconds. No issues, knots or pip for the last week. Injection has been fine and haven’t had an issue.

However I replicated the same process for the Test E, 1ML through a 30g needle (not slin pin), IM into the left delt, oil warmed, injection took just under a minute. Within the first 24 hours there some slight pain from the injection, which rapidly grew over the next week. After 48 hours it was tender to the touch, couldn’t sleep on it, lateral movement of the shoulder was painful, overhead pressing was extremely difficult.

It took almost a whole week post injection for the pain to recover, using nurofen daily to reduce the pain.

Now my medical understanding believes that because of the concentration at 400mg/ml, plus the increased used of solvents, the post injection pain was more severe.

Initially I was thinking the injection was too shallow using the 30g, however I had no issues with Tren Injection so I don’t think needle length is the issue, however I can go to 27g 16mm if necessary, I just hate needles .

i also thought that maybe the lateral delt couldn’t hold the volume, but at 1ml I believe that’s ok as well.

So presuming that it lies with the oil concentration, split dosages would be the best bet, so my question(s) would be:

Should I split the dosage to E3.5 days 0.5ml 200mg or would I run into the same issue? I was thinking about using the ventroglute and lats if needed

Would I also run into the same issue regardless if I used 1ml into the ventroglute, given the muscle has more volume to hold (3ml) the oil may better disperse more?

Thankyou all for your time and help in advance, it may seem really dumb and probably an obvious solution but as I take the next step in growing I want to be as certain as possible

That PIP is almost certainly the 400mg/ml test, not your technique, hard to get higher concentrations in delt. This is not brand specific, its hard to get 400mgs to a ml without pip. @sebh

Best fix is split the dose to 0.33ml 3x/week and move sites to ventroglute or glute, inject slower, and if it still wrecks you then switch to a lower concentration test like 250mg/ml. cehck https://trtinjections.com

Start a log now because you’re running test, tren, and 6iu HGH and we need your day to day bodyweight, calories, sleep, BP, injection sites, and sides so the EVO family can support you and catch issues early instead of reacting after the fact. 15min to start the log

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

• Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
• Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
• The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
• Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

• Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
• It will take 15-20 minutes max.
• We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
• Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone tren hgh cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

 

[HarleyGuy]

Good Morning/Afterrnoon or Evening Evo family,

Just wanted to share my experience and hopefully get some feedback/reinforced clarification

Current cycle
400mg/ml Test E from @Gold Standard Labs
100mg of Tren E from @ODINLABS (old vendor)
6iu of HGH from @Prymal

Injection protocol
Test 1ML injected once weekly
Tren 0.5ml injected once weekly
HGH 60iu before bed

My dimensions
28, 5’7, 86kg fasted at 18% bodyfat

History
TRT 2022-2025
250mg Test E (various vendors) Jan 2026-April 2026

Now that I’ve set the scene, I feel pretty embarrassed as a Dr (2nd year resident) to have experienced some pretty debilitating PIP from the test injection.

Last week, Wednesday, I pinned 0.5ml of Tren E 200mg, IM into the right lateral delt using a 30g needle, warmed the oil, injection took just under 20 seconds. No issues, knots or pip for the last week. Injection has been fine and haven’t had an issue.

However I replicated the same process for the Test E, 1ML through a 30g needle (not slin pin), IM into the left delt, oil warmed, injection took just under a minute. Within the first 24 hours there some slight pain from the injection, which rapidly grew over the next week. After 48 hours it was tender to the touch, couldn’t sleep on it, lateral movement of the shoulder was painful, overhead pressing was extremely difficult.

It took almost a whole week post injection for the pain to recover, using nurofen daily to reduce the pain.

Now my medical understanding believes that because of the concentration at 400mg/ml, plus the increased used of solvents, the post injection pain was more severe.

Initially I was thinking the injection was too shallow using the 30g, however I had no issues with Tren Injection so I don’t think needle length is the issue, however I can go to 27g 16mm if necessary, I just hate needles .

i also thought that maybe the lateral delt couldn’t hold the volume, but at 1ml I believe that’s ok as well.

So presuming that it lies with the oil concentration, split dosages would be the best bet, so my question(s) would be:

Should I split the dosage to E3.5 days 0.5ml 200mg or would I run into the same issue? I was thinking about using the ventroglute and lats if needed

Would I also run into the same issue regardless if I used 1ml into the ventroglute, given the muscle has more volume to hold (3ml) the oil may better disperse more?

Thankyou all for your time and help in advance, it may seem really dumb and probably an obvious solution but as I take the next step in growing I want to be as certain as possible

Quick answer and quick advice @sebh

1. Don't pin delts with higher than 200mg concentration - advice tailored to you
2. Start a log for us to help you out

 

[stevesmi]

you know there is no rule here that you can't just dump that gear and get test E or test cyp that is 200-250mgs/ml
why torture yourself ?

 

[sebh]

you know there is no rule here that you can't just dump that gear and get test E or test cyp that is 200-250mgs/ml
why torture yourself ?

still fairly new to all of this higher dosage stuff, so learning as i go

Quick answer and quick advice @sebh

1. Don't pin delts with higher than 200mg concentration - advice tailored to you
2. Start a log for us to help you out

hey harley thanks for the advice, ive gone ventroglute for both my injections tonight and had no issues - absolutley painless. Also i have started a log

That PIP is almost certainly the 400mg/ml test, not your technique, hard to get higher concentrations in delt. This is not brand specific, its hard to get 400mgs to a ml without pip. @sebh

Best fix is split the dose to 0.33ml 3x/week and move sites to ventroglute or glute, inject slower, and if it still wrecks you then switch to a lower concentration test like 250mg/ml. cehck https://trtinjections.com

Start a log now because you’re running test, tren, and 6iu HGH and we need your day to day bodyweight, calories, sleep, BP, injection sites, and sides so the EVO family can support you and catch issues early instead of reacting after the fact. 15min to start the log

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

• Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
• Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
• The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
• Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

• Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
• It will take 15-20 minutes max.
• We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
• Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone tren hgh cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

Thanks for the DM, log has been started

 

[sebh]

Hey bro. Im running @OxygenPharm T-400. It mix is 100mg of Test C, Test D, Test E and Test P each. Not sure the carrier oil but it also has Ethyl Oleate which although is used as a carrier is technically a solvent. Most high concentration oils need EO to increase solubility but EO is also used to thin oil for smoother injections.

I get zero pip with the T-400 but do mostly my thighs i rotate between 3 different quad muscles on each leg. In 2 days ill try my delt with it.

With MCT oil i noticed id get swelling in my delt and my vastus medialis didnt like it either. I think because the vastus atleast is a denser muscle and the delt being smaller is why i noticed the swelling at those locations. Perhaps i have an allergy to MCT or something.

My advice, split dose EOD in you ventro or quads. I find center and outer side of thigh good spots. I do a quick flex so i can make sure not to go between muscle groups. If it seems to be fine then, retry delt with the smaller volume. Ive heard some just have certain muscles that dont like injections.

Ive gone ventro glute tonight, will report in my log how i feel over the week

I would go anything high mg concentration in the glutes

had this message open on my phone when i pinned ventro for the first time tonight

Best bet would be to try another site.
I have issues with my delts regardless of what I inject. Most of the time.
If there's an issue with the second injection definitely let gold know but I haven't heard anyone else having issues from his batch of test e even at the 400mg.

have gone a whole ml into the right ventro, using a 27g needle, was my first time hitting ventro - bit shaky in the hands but absolutley painless

 

[stevesmi]

still fairly new to all of this higher dosage stuff, so learning as i go

rule #1 when injecting gear is use gear that doesn't torture yoruself
same with orals. if you take an oral that messes up your stomach then no need to keep taking it

 

[LevButlerov]

still fairly new to all of this higher dosage stuff, so learning as i go

hey harley thanks for the advice, ive gone ventroglute for both my injections tonight and had no issues - absolutley painless. Also i have started a log

Thanks for the DM, log has been started

I'll check for it in my mod que

 

[lickmymind]

Now my medical understanding believes that because of the concentration at 400mg/ml, plus the increased used of solvents, the post injection pain was more severe.

Test 400 will PIP, that's it. Your options are:

1. Over time you will get use to it and it will be more tolerable, it will still PIP somewhat, by time I mean many months or longer.
2. Mix it with another compound that is lower concentration that does not pip in the same syringe.
3. Mix it with MCT or GSO in the same syringe.

That's it using all other techniques and tricks can improve it a little but to solve it just the above.

 

[Shakey]

Test 400 will PIP, that's it. Your options are:

I disagree. Im running @OxygenPharm T-400 at 100mg daily. Absolutely zero pip. Although i mix the 0.25ml with 0.28ml 2 other compounds, if it had pip, itd be noticeable.

 

[Mobster]

Test 400 will PIP, that's it. Your options are:

1. Over time you will get use to it and it will be more tolerable, it will still PIP somewhat, by time I mean many months or longer.
2. Mix it with another compound that is lower concentration that does not pip in the same syringe.
3. Mix it with MCT or GSO in the same syringe.

That's it using all other techniques and tricks can improve it a little but to solve it just the above.

No. I've seen that said elsewhere and those same people get PIP from 200 and 300. Many 300-350-400 and more products now do NOT give a LOT any PIP. I've used Sus 500 and had zero

See also: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/im-vs-sc-t400-blend.111187/#post-2081431

 

[Mobster]

Test 400 will PIP, that's it. Your options are:

1. Over time you will get use to it and it will be more tolerable, it will still PIP somewhat, by time I mean many months or longer.
2. Mix it with another compound that is lower concentration that does not pip in the same syringe.
3. Mix it with MCT or GSO in the same syringe.

That's it using all other techniques and tricks can improve it a little but to solve it just the above.

If you do that you might as well buy a lower dosed per ml product

 

[lickmymind]

I disagree. Im running @OxygenPharm T-400 at 100mg daily. Absolutely zero pip. Although i mix the 0.25ml with 0.28ml 2 other compounds, if it had pip, itd be noticeable.

So you disagree and then go on to say you do exactly what I wrote in #2 to eliminate PIP?

 

[lickmymind]

If you do that you might as well buy a lower dosed per ml product

That's right, that's the point, that is why Test is very popular in 250.

 

[lickmymind]

No. I've seen that said elsewhere and those same people get PIP from 200 and 300. Many 300-350-400 and more products now do NOT give a LOT any PIP. I've used Sus 500 and had zero

See also: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/im-vs-sc-t400-blend.111187/#post-2081431

Pip from 200 is usually Primo 200 or some incompatibility with MCT or a rear allergy to enanthic acid is its Test C. Some people find Test C is a little spicy for them its harder to hold this concentration then Test E.

But mostly you are describing people getting used to it over time, just as I outlined in #1

 

[Shakey]

So you disagree and then go on to say you do exactly what I wrote in #2 to eliminate PIP?

Tell you what, i generally dont like wasting needles but ill pin it seperately tomorrow morning and make another post here. Even though i know if it had PIP, id feel it. MCT gives me pretty good PIP for me especially in denser muscle tissues. I did my last 2 pins in my vastus medialis, in which MCT was awful. It was fine in larger muscles though.

Stating it is 100% guaranteed to PIP is wrong though. There are no 100%'s. Even my doctor only said i was 99% guaranteed to have more than 1 seizure a day without meds because they arent supposed to make 100% gaurantees.

 

[LevButlerov]

Pip from 200 is usually Primo 200 or some incompatibility with MCT or a rear allergy to enanthic acid is its Test C. Some people find Test C is a little spicy for them its harder to hold this concentration then Test E.

But mostly you are describing people getting used to it over time, just as I outlined in #1

incompatibility with MCT? I doubt it but good theory, I think you're looking at higher BA/BB concentrations tbh

 

[lickmymind]

incompatibility with MCT? I doubt it but good theory, I think you're looking at higher BA/BB concentrations tbh

Why do you think Raptor Labs make some of their gear in GSO Oil for small number of people?

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Brother I had the exact same thing happen.

I was using test 400 when I was on cycle with test and eq.

I would put the test and eq in the same shot. No pip.

Took out the eq and the pip was brutal.

Now I mix it with test 250 (1/4 test 400 and 3/4 test 250) and back to no pip

 

[Shakey]

Brother I had the exact same thing happen.

I was using test 400 when I was on cycle with test and eq.

I would put the test and eq in the same shot. No pip.

Took out the eq and the pip was brutal.

Now I mix it with test 250 (1/4 test 400 and 3/4 test 250) and back to no pip

This is interesting. Im definitely splitting em up to test this on myself tomorrow morning.

 

[lickmymind]

Brother I had the exact same thing happen.

I was using test 400 when I was on cycle with test and eq.

I would put the test and eq in the same shot. No pip.

Took out the eq and the pip was brutal.

Now I mix it with test 250 (1/4 test 400 and 3/4 test 250) and back to no pip

Yea, it works surprisingly well.

 

[HarleyGuy]

hey harley thanks for the advice, ive gone ventroglute for both my injections tonight and had no issues - absolutley painless. Also i have started a log

Can't go wrong with ventro bro.

Great work starting a log!

 

[LevButlerov]

Why do you think Raptor Labs make some of their gear in GSO Oil for small number of people?

I wasn't aware of this interesting @Raptor Labs @Raptor Rep comment please

 

[Raptor Labs]

GSO is for clients that are allergic to MCT carrier oil

There is alot here I can comment on that I think is going wrong and happy to help suggest if you like @sebh? It will be a long reply

What @Nasser1997o2 and @lickmymind said above is correct - but I think there is more to it in this case

What size barrel are you using with the 30g?

 

[Noah Wixx]

I cant use test 400 either tried it for a few weeks and just not good experience for me, i stick with 250 and highest i go is if a compound comes in 300

 

[Raptor Labs]

@Noah Wixx that is what I found also with all our clients if running Test on its own - 300mg/ml on its own is about the threshold for most people

 

[LevButlerov]

GSO is for clients that are allergic to MCT carrier oil

There is alot here I can comment on that I think is going wrong and happy to help suggest if you like @sebh? It will be a long reply

What @Nasser1997o2 and @lickmymind said above is correct - but I think there is more to it in this case

What size barrel are you using with the 30g?

Amazing you have this service Thanks for the update I understand now, EVO family respect your way for doing the mixes for different brothers. Team Raptor for the WIN! @Raptor Labs @Raptor Rep

 

[Noah Wixx]

@Noah Wixx that is what I found also with all our clients if running Test on its own - 300mg/ml on its own is about the threshold for most people

Absolutely brother 250-300 is the nicest sweet spot in my own experiences over time i get on great with those mg amounts, i thought at that time 400mg less oil easier injection, completely wrong lol didnt turn out well