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I can handle the side effects. The pros outweigh the cons IMO. It is extremely effective at getting rid of visceral fat which I have a lot of. It does alot more than just reduce appetite. The biggest two things it does that I am looking forward to is it helps the pancreas create the correct amount of insulin when needed and it stops the liver from outputting to much glucose into the bloodstream when not needed. This will be IMO a perfect combo with GH.
How do your legs feel today? Are you getting close to any PR's on your cybex squat press?
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11/21/23
Weight 271.0
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Weight 271.0
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3000 cals
200 Protein
300 Carbs
100 Fat
@RoidRage69 why do you need it, you will be better off without it, the sides are nasty and you're doing well already
@RoidRage69 high carbs for the day and with ozempic you wont be able to get down 200 p 300c 100f will be hard and you feel sick on it
Good thats what I want. My plan is to go down about 30lbs in the next few months.
Fat is where you will feel shitty taking it. Fatty and greasy foods are not good while taking it.
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Thats good to know. Will keep fat low on this diet then. Will most likely eat rice and sweet potatoes as my carb of choice. Lots of steak and salmon.
I know alot of people on it and it’s been rough on them
My sister in law is a good example of how it works. She was a bit overweight and had a shit diet. She began taking Ozempic and found out pretty quickly that you can't eat a lot of greasy, fatty foods as it made her fee like shit. Once she was "forced" to clean things up it has been fine for her and she is def losing weight with not much else than the small diet changes.
Anyway I got a 6 month supply for less than $600. Will order more when and if I need it. Will use it all the way up until I start my clean bulk. Hoping to get down to 220-230 by Sept 2024 when the clean bulk begins. Once I begin the maintenance dose of 1mg I will come off of berberine, metformin, and cinsulin.
I think it is worth trying. One of my older master competitor friends used at 60+. My cardio walking buddy's wife uses it. It does work. It does seem to blunt appetite. Tirzapatide and Semaglutide might help. I do feel like you need to have some self disciple and control. Healthy choices, etc. Anxious to hear your results.
It looks very promising. Cant wait to try. I will be very upfront about dosage and side effects. Will be starting next week.
11/22/23
Weight 270.9
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No idea where my cals are going to end up for the day as I am traveling later this evening. Should be below 2500 with aprox 200grms protein, 100 grams fat, and most likely under 100 grams carbs.
Weight 270.9
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No idea where my cals are going to end up for the day as I am traveling later this evening. Should be below 2500 with aprox 200grms protein, 100 grams fat, and most likely under 100 grams carbs.
@s.gentz I tested it and had clients test it, only 1 out of 10 really still on it
Love following these!
That’s going to be the experience of a tiny number of users, so it seems like an odd sample. These drugs are so successful that they literally account for 90% of Denmark’s GDP growth over the last year. There may be some random issues, but in general, they are well tolerated, and super effective.
I do have to say, though, for a board that is gung ho on large doses of sometimes difficult to handle drugs and pretty devoted to harsh anti estrogens instead of intelligent stack design, there is an odd dislike of some of the safest, most effective medicines out there, like semaglutide, metformin etc, many of which are excellent at counter acting the negative effects of drugs like test and other AAS and HGH. I don’t get it, and I don’t need to.
I think personal trainers are scared shitless about these new weight loss drugs. They will be out a job. Wallstreet is already expecting these class of drugs to be the single greatest selling drugs of all time and for good reason. They work exceptionally well at what they were designed to do.
Yup, not only do they work exceptionally well, but they confront both the health crisis of our time, diabetes, and are also wonders for weight loss, which is our national obsession.
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And there a few more that will be comming on the market soon. Soon want even have ti workout just take a
Focus on protein before anything else because you will feel full after 1500 cals. I'd also ditch the fasting and have smaller feedings otherwise you'll waste away muscle mass.
Is this in regards to starting the ozempic tomorrow?
Ok thank you. Will try and go low fat low carb higher protein.
11/27/23
Weight 270.7
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Stopped anavar today and started semaglutide. No reason to stay on as I am not able to train the way I need to.
Current PED's
150mg Test Enanthate/week
150mg Masteron Enanthate/week
.25mg Semaglutide/week
2IU HGH 5/2
20mg Cardarine/day
20mg Ostarine/day
Weight 270.7
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1-Arm Cable Rows
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Reverse Grip Machine Rows
160x12x3
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Stopped anavar today and started semaglutide. No reason to stay on as I am not able to train the way I need to.
Current PED's
150mg Test Enanthate/week
150mg Masteron Enanthate/week
.25mg Semaglutide/week
2IU HGH 5/2
20mg Cardarine/day
20mg Ostarine/day
@RoidRage69 i like the ostarine and cardarine lets see how it goes
but dont see why you need semaglutide you already have experience with berberine
Other should take note - 300mg total
thats a nice setup, good simple dosaging
Semaglutide and berberine aren’t similar in at all, and don’t have similar effects.
Huge difference in how semaglutide works. It makes the liver and pancreas function better and to not fight against each other.
there are a lot of people who mess up their gut and intestines using these drugs though
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IMO he is doing the ideal cutting cycle for Semaglutide here. If he were super lean already, I’d add 50-100 mg a week of tren, because it is so anti-catabolic, but only at like 10% or lower body fat would that be necessary.
FWIW, my wife, who is very lean already, wanted to put some extra muscle on this year, but she wanted to cut to super lean before doing so, because she has a hard time dealing with any excess body fat, and she will quit bulking at first sign. She took one of the GLP drugs and in 6 weeks, without any diet pain or fatigue, dropped from 122 to 110, which is huge. Now she is half way into her bulk, and it is going great.
I fully endorse what RR is doing. Smart.
@RoidRage69 what i mean is that you are already getting good results with what you have why add semaglutide but since you did you have my support im waiting for updates on its use
can you post up a pic of the peptide for us?
@LittleTimeTrouble in theory yes but in practice if you have your clients combine
Berberine
ALA
Bergamot
cinnamon
black pepper extract
you'll get very similar if not better results than semaglutide
11/28/23
Weight 272.4
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Weight 272.4
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No, you really won’t. It’s not even close. Different concept, different MOA. None of those is as effective as metformin either. There is no mix of supplements that is going to provide what Semaglutide does.
@LittleTimeTrouble it wont based on what? I have ton of anecdotal evidence with clients who have used my formula with great success, including myself. You can inject yourself with semaglutide or try my natural formula, that's up to the user. I really don't mind what the guys take, I'm just giving @RoidRage69 an alternative since he's a great bro on the forums. If he goes with peptides I'll support him either way.
You should have the two methods blind tested, because if you can produce the same results without the injections, you will be a very rich man. But seriously, there is no evidence that any kind of diabetes or weight loss drug or supplement has come close to the results from the GLP-1 agonists. We are talking 10% BW reduction in two months without any feelings of hunger. I’ve just never seen anything else close, in a study or anecdotally. I don’t know why people don’t just adopt them. They are wonder drugs.
@LittleTimeTrouble you forget to mention the muscle loss and lean bodymass loss with semaglutide, it's going to help you become skinny fat sure.
That’s why Roid Rage is being so smart with his stack design. The supraphysiological level of AAS will counter that. But berberine is also very catabolic, as it directly activates the most catabolic pathways of AMPK, as opposed to metformin which activates the least. Anything that causes weight loss is going to have some catabolic effect, with the possible exception of clen.
@LittleTimeTrouble that sounds like an opinion and I respect that and respect you but the science says otherwise: INCLUDING 1.7kg loss of muscle when the user lost 1.8kg of bodyfat, thats nuts
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10416191/
Oral Semaglutide Induces Loss of Body Fat Mass Without Affecting Muscle Mass in Patients With Type 2 Diabetes
Good Lord. Did you read what you actually quoted? It was in the same study that SGLT2 has an effect on muscle, while Semaglutide does not. It literally disproves the point you think you are trying to make.:
Sodium glucose cotransporter 2 (SGLT2) inhibitor is an oral anti-diabetic agent and has been reported to have a lowering effect on BW as well as a preventive effect for cardiovascular and renal complications [6, 7]. However, a previous report showed that treatment of the SGLT2 inhibitor dapagliflozin 10 mg/day for 24 weeks in patients with type 2 diabetes led to a mean reduction of body fat and muscle mass by 2.2 kg and 1.1 kg, respectively, as assessed by dual energy X-ray absorptiometry (DXA) [8]. We also used DXA and investigated the effect of SGLT2 inhibitor ipragliflozin 50 mg/day for 24 weeks in obese Japanese patients with type 2 diabetes. We found a mean reduction in body fat and muscle mass of 1.8 kg and 1.7 kg, respectively [9]. These findings suggest that SGLT2 inhibitors may have catabolic effects on both fat and muscles.
See what it looks like when you read the full paragraph. SMDH.
I told you that these weight loss drugs are getting the personal trainers rattled. Wallstreet knows this.
Berberine impairs muscle metabolism by two novel mechanisms. It impairs mitochonidrial function stimulating the expression of atrogin-1 without affecting phosphorylation of forkhead transcription factors. The increase in atrogin-1 not only stimulated protein degradation but also suppressed protein synthesis, causing muscle atrophy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2911075/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2911075/
Its funny he doesnt mention his so called stack he uses for his clients that cause muscle loss. I expect minimal muscle loss during my fat loss using Semaglutide. I expect to lose another 30lbs of fat in the next 6 months and less than 2-3 lbs of muscle loss.
In one older 12-week study in people with obesity, taking 500 milligrams (mg) of berberine three times per day caused about 5 pounds of weight loss, on average.
https://www.healthline.com/nutritio... one older 12-week,of weight loss, on average.
How much weight can you lose in a month on Ozempic? One study found people who received weekly semaglutide injections lost an average of about 15 pounds after three months and about 27 pounds after six months, which translates into about a 5-pound weight loss per month.Aug 14, 2023
https://www.today.com/health/diet-fitness/ozempic-before-and-after-rcna99185
https://www.healthline.com/nutritio... one older 12-week,of weight loss, on average.
How much weight can you lose in a month on Ozempic? One study found people who received weekly semaglutide injections lost an average of about 15 pounds after three months and about 27 pounds after six months, which translates into about a 5-pound weight loss per month.Aug 14, 2023
https://www.today.com/health/diet-fitness/ozempic-before-and-after-rcna99185
11/29/23
Weight 267.8
Morning Fasted Cardio
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Weight 267.8
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Looks like you already got five this morning. That pace will probably slow, lol.
Yeah it will slow a little. LOL. Usually I am heavier after my leg days.
Good updates on the log...........
I don’t think there is any way this man can be skinny fat! Any diet come with some loss of good Muscle mass. Just try to minimize it.
@RoidRageWife i have mad respect for @RoidRage69 , I just dont think he needs semaglutide with the fasting schedule he had going already
I swear I will never understand the idea here that people are like, “yeah, add tren, add winstrol, etc.” all of which are awful for you in the quantities used, but when it comes to a human approved, almost zero side effect drug, used at therapeutic levels, everybody goes “whoa man, that seems a little extreme!” It just doesn’t makes sense at all.
FWIW, seemingly these drugs are better than low side effect, as they are now regularly being tested for alcoholism and other addictions since they seem to decrease craving levels as a whole, not just for food, and also decrease anxiety and improve sleep.
FWIW, seemingly these drugs are better than low side effect, as they are now regularly being tested for alcoholism and other addictions since they seem to decrease craving levels as a whole, not just for food, and also decrease anxiety and improve sleep.
Who says I am still fasting? Not only am I no longer fasting, I am eating sandwiches and soup.
Btw I ordered a few more months of semaglutide while it’s in stock with 20% off. This drug is the bees knees. No hunger pains what so ever. Before I was starving all day.
@RoidRage69 I had a feeling thats why you stopped keeping a food log, I'm guessing your diet is off the deep end now, sandwiches, bread, no fasting, too bad bro, you could have controlled your weight and got down to 220lbs natural but you'll be yo-yo with the weight for a long time if you keep doing this, you're not consistent for 16-20 weeks, you drop off a lot
but up to you
bad move quitting fasting and btw i knew thats why you dont keep a food log, lots of junk there i bet now, same as all bodybuilders ive worked with who hide food
These drugs a modern day miracle. They spent billions on R&D. They work and hardly any sides. The people who get sides are ones who don’t titrate up slowly like intended. They also don’t have bad interactions with other scripts like berberine does. In fact berberine is dangerous if you use other prescription meds as it messes up the liver absorption time making them potentially lethal.
You are completely wrong. I ended my fasting this week when I started semaglutide. Please stop trolling my log. You are making accusations that are not true. You’re a jackass btw.
@RoidRage69 yea billions for fat obese people, you're on a bodybuilding steroid forum, plain and simple you dont need it
and bro aint no one telling you not to take drugs, shit this is a steroid forum we all use drugs here of some sort
and this interaction of berberine with meds is nonsense you're just making excuses
Did you go seriously long berberine futures, my man?
@RoidRage69 im making factual accusations, you stopped fasting because it was hard, and you had high carb days that spiked your insulin when you're over 270lbs high bodyfat which worsened your insulin sensitivity and increase your hunger, did i guess it right? sure did because you're not sticking to a plan, you didnt fast right and you high carbed it and couldnt control yourself not to eat
and no one is trolling, im telling you the truth, you stopped fasting because it was hard simple as that
instead of fasting more and getting leaner and healthier you choose to inject yourself with semaglutide, so im saying its wrong
and anyone reading this that knows you're a big guy knows that fasting is your best road for long term health for you and your family
and calling me a 'jackass' is childish bro, im here talking to you like an iron brother and i want to see you get leaner and healthier and live longer for your wonderful family and @RoidRageWife , you seem like a great guy so its not cool to go personal on me
it works bro thats why i suggest it
Not making any excuses. YOU are. I’ve done the research. You’re rattled because you depend on clients being missinformed. You accuse me of stuff not being true and you can’t handle it when you are called out for being 100% wrong. I don’t believe anything you say.
Stop lying.
@RoidRage69 what does me handling something have to do with this? you seem like you quit fasting to inject a drug peptide semaglutide
so ok maybe you saying I'm getting facts wrong, alright thats fair
so answer this
did you stop fasting?
did you start using semaglutide when you stopped fasting?
so from now on you will NOT do fasting and only do semaglutide injections?
please answer above
How cute a mod lying making accusations that he or she knows nothing about.
@RoidRage69 and I talked in private and settled our differences.
I will take back what I said, I forget sometimes this is a steroid forum, guys injecting and taking all sorts of drugs, and I'm being so whitehat on semaglutide, no need I think.
While I do believe in natural blood sugar control with Berberine and ALA and more, I do think semaglutide has it's place in many cutting cycles.
so I respect and support @RoidRage69 and will follow his log with this update
I will take back what I said, I forget sometimes this is a steroid forum, guys injecting and taking all sorts of drugs, and I'm being so whitehat on semaglutide, no need I think.
While I do believe in natural blood sugar control with Berberine and ALA and more, I do think semaglutide has it's place in many cutting cycles.
so I respect and support @RoidRage69 and will follow his log with this update
11/30/23
Weight 265.1
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Weight 265.1
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Lol. You are going to melt away.
Yep. Pretty fucking impressive if you ask me. I cant wait to see what happens in 2 months when I am at a therapeutic dose. Heck I might be below 245lbs before that day comes.
30lbs! Nice job man!!!
Damn your right. Didn't even think about that. I guess its been 3.5 months.
Looks like there's been a run on semaglutide at umbrella. Glad I stockpiled while it was cheap.
He's like be and stopped posting his diet because people lose their mind at the sight of cereals and basmati rice.
Heaven forbid I had a sandwich yesterday and got blasted for it. LOL. I guess bread is bad now? LOL.
I do better on a very consistent diet, but in the long run, as long as the calories and macros work out over time, it really doesn’t matter. And people need carbs, more than they need other things.
The long game + being consistent is what is needed. Extremes are never good and can affect your mental pretty bad.
Exactly. I am going back to the basics. Eating what I did when I performed well. Will go back to rice a roni and shake and bake chicken. As long as I am eating in a deficit I will do good. To hell with the fasting crap.
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Agree fasting my be good for longevity. But useless for performance. Enjoyment in this game is more important as you'll be more consistent
I do see a place for fasting. I can see myself still doing it from time to time just not every week. I think its good to do a reset every now and then. Thats why I did the keto diet but that ran its course. Too long. My body broke down from it. I think if you got injuries its a bad idea to start it. At least that is my experience from it. My shoulder feels much better this week than it has in months.
I am also questioning the healing that takes place through fasting. I’m becoming of the opinion that if you train while fasting you in fact lose most of that healing effect and it starts to make injuries worse over time. Like Pigsy said, is great for longevity but has real flaws with performance, mixing those two states together doesn’t seem to work for me at all. I feel like I just need to be focusing on one of those at a time, either fast and cut but drastically reduce activity and intensity, or eat regularly and train really hard. I just can’t seem to get benefits worth the effort through fasted training. I’m going to stop doing it, aside from very light fasted cardio, like go for a walk fasted, I’m just over it with lifting while fasted, I think I can go as far as to say I hate it.
I think most of the proposed upsides of fasting for performance are based on people not being able to read studies. We see it on here over and over. Cherry picking what they want to see. It is absolutely muscle destroying. And even more it is strength destroying.
For longevity, absolutely. Interestingly, the most effective longevity drugs activate the exact same pathways as does fasting, particularly rapamycin. They are also extremely catabolic. Muscle growth and longevity are basically in opposition to each other, so there is always going to be a trade off between life span and life quality. There is no free lunch.
Quality of life is way more important to me than living an extra couple years.
Hundred percent for me, too. Especially given how things are trending, lol.
It is great to look back and reflect!
Yes I’ve learned alot about my body in the 4.5 months since I started this log.
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