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Mr.GoodKat

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Hey Evo Fam. I am wrapping up a cycle now of Test Deca and I think I want to give EQ a shot for my next go around. I’ve read countless posts on here and throughout the web but looking for more first hand advice.

First off I am 5-10, 216 pounds and I am a moderate aromatizer (average) I have taken up to a gram of test before and never got any test flu just had to up my AI a bit. I have experience with Deca, started out at 300 mg/week and increased up to 600 with no sides. I also have experience with Tren, started out at 225mg week and increased up to 525 mg with 700mg mast and 400mg test with little sides except the occasional tren sweats but nothing too severe.

I seem to have a pretty good tolerance for AAS and in my experience I have to push the doses up to see results. All gear I’ve used has been Geneza Pharm from Naps so I know it’s legit. My question is where should I start with a test EQ cycle for my next blast. I am thinking 1000 test 800 eq and is there anything else I should run alongside.

Thanks Evo fam.
 
Mr.GoodKat said:
Hey Evo Fam. I am wrapping up a cycle now of Test Deca and I think I want to give EQ a shot for my next go around. I’ve read countless posts on here and throughout the web but looking for more first hand advice.

First off I am 5-10, 216 pounds and I am a moderate aromatizer (average) I have taken up to a gram of test before and never got any test flu just had to up my AI a bit. I have experience with Deca, started out at 300 mg/week and increased up to 600 with no sides. I also have experience with Tren, started out at 225mg week and increased up to 525 mg with 700mg mast and 400mg test with little sides except the occasional tren sweats but nothing too severe.

I seem to have a pretty good tolerance for AAS and in my experience I have to push the doses up to see results. All gear I’ve used has been Geneza Pharm from Naps so I know it’s legit. My question is where should I start with a test EQ cycle for my next blast. I am thinking 1000 test 800 eq and is there anything else I should run alongside.

Thanks Evo fam.
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@Mr.GoodKat been following your other log: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...deca-napsgear-geneza-pharma-cycle-log.100282/ you're looking amazing making progress but havent seen any updates in a while
can you update us in the LOG man? some pics and so on :) please

on the EQ, depends when you plan to use it. 1000mgs of test 800mgs of eq is crazy doses really not needed for a guy your size with the little time you have. If you were super active, hitting the gym 2 hours a day and many log updates, we can see you want to level up but for now you should stay the same 5-700mgs level total for all gear imo.
I suggest 300mgs equipoise 300mgs testosterone next cycle if you keep the same level of dedication we've seen.

what are you doing between cycles? bridge or self trt?
 
I listened to the podcast and they suggest anywhere between 300-600 EQ and low to moderate test dose should be great @(200-<500) - that's what I'm going to do for my nest cycle after my current test+deca cycle. Obviously this is a lean bulk so you want to have your BF% down to take advantage of this.
 
Eddie Haskell said:
@Mr.GoodKat been following your other log: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...deca-napsgear-geneza-pharma-cycle-log.100282/ you're looking amazing making progress but havent seen any updates in a while
can you update us in the LOG man? some pics and so on :) please

on the EQ, depends when you plan to use it. 1000mgs of test 800mgs of eq is crazy doses really not needed for a guy your size with the little time you have. If you were super active, hitting the gym 2 hours a day and many log updates, we can see you want to level up but for now you should stay the same 5-700mgs level total for all gear imo.
I suggest 300mgs equipoise 300mgs testosterone next cycle if you keep the same level of dedication we've seen.

what are you doing between cycles? bridge or self trt?
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I’m on trt. I will do my 200mg a week dose until my next cycle. I have ran 1000mg test deca no sides at all and 1500 test tren mast with very little sides. I think I may just not respond to lower doses very well. Yea I’ll update my log this weekend when I get a chance to take pictures.
 
rizzlekdizzle said:
I listened to the podcast and they suggest anywhere between 300-600 EQ and low to moderate test dose should be great @(200-<500) - that's what I'm going to do for my nest cycle after my current test+deca cycle. Obviously this is a lean bulk so you want to have your BF% down to take advantage of this.
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Yea I’ve heard both sides of the spectrum depending on how you amortize. Some say to run eq at 80% of your test dose so you don’t crush your estrogen while others say run eq higher. I think it’s all dependent on estrogen conversion.
 
Mr.GoodKat said:
I’m on trt. I will do my 200mg a week dose until my next cycle. I have ran 1000mg test deca no sides at all and 1500 test tren mast with very little sides. I think I may just not respond to lower doses very well. Yea I’ll update my log this weekend when I get a chance to take pictures.
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@Mr.GoodKat to be honest looking at your and your log, as I said before, you dont need to use so much gear.

You said you ran 1000mgs of test deca, what brand? did you test the gear?

If you want to run such high doses, seems you're not as dedicated based on what I see in your Log man :) no hard feelings you still have EVO family support
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...deca-napsgear-geneza-pharma-cycle-log.100282/
 
Eddie Haskell said:
@Mr.GoodKat to be honest looking at your and your log, as I said before, you dont need to use so much gear.

You said you ran 1000mgs of test deca, what brand? did you test the gear?

If you want to run such high doses, seems you're not as dedicated based on what I see in your Log man :) no hard feelings you still have EVO family support
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...deca-napsgear-geneza-pharma-cycle-log.100282/
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Not dedicated to what? Posting on the log. I workout 5 days a week 2-3 hours and do 60-90 minutes of cardio a day. I ran 600 Test and 400 Deca didn’t test it because it’s from an “approved” source. Geneva Pharm from Nsps Gear. Diet is in check, I have experienced zero sides, I just don’t think I respond well
 
stevesmi said:
I don't understand the dosing on the gear. EQ + Test at almost 2grams.

thats for people who are competing as powerlifters at high levels
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I just don’t think I respond well. I’m running a gram of test and deca total right now and haven’t seen the results many get. I workout 5 days with plenty of volume and do cardio 60-90 minutes a day. Diet is in check, meal prep and have macros dialed.
 
Eddie Haskell said:
@Mr.GoodKat to be honest looking at your and your log, as I said before, you dont need to use so much gear.

You said you ran 1000mgs of test deca, what brand? did you test the gear?

If you want to run such high doses, seems you're not as dedicated based on what I see in your Log man :) no hard feelings you still have EVO family support
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...deca-napsgear-geneza-pharma-cycle-log.100282/
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To be honest you’re the Maine reason that I don’t post much. You obviously haven’t paid attention to my log if you’re having to
ask me questions regarding gear and dosages so you have zero reason to question my dedication when you don’t even know the basics
 
I've run EQ at lower dose before.
My current cycle is the first time I've blasted it.

600 EQ Cyp at 400 test.

I bumped the test up to 600 around week 4-6.

Got bloods at week 8, oestradiol was 26.

To put that in perspective I usually pull about 200 oestradiol cruising 200-300 test.

I've dropped the EQ to 400 to try and get oestradiol up to 60-80.

If I retest and it's still low I'll drop it to 300.

So test EQ ratio of 3:2 - 2:1.
 
abz.dwbro said:
I've run EQ at lower dose before.
My current cycle is the first time I've blasted it.

600 EQ Cyp at 400 test.

I bumped the test up to 600 around week 4-6.

Got bloods at week 8, oestradiol was 26.

To put that in perspective I usually pull about 200 oestradiol cruising 200-300 test.

I've dropped the EQ to 400 to try and get oestradiol up to 60-80.

If I retest and it's still low I'll drop it to 300.

So test EQ ratio of 3:2 - 2:1.
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That’s what I’ve heard to run it at 5:3 or 3:2 to keep your estrogen elevated enough. What are your gains like compared to other cycles you’ve ran?
 
what's your physical condition now? 2-3hr workouts and that much cardio everyday seems like a massive amount of effort - are you training to compete or something? As some of the others are saying the doses are massive - like into competition type stacks but I guess you know your body??
 
Mr.GoodKat said:
That’s what I’ve heard to run it at 5:3 or 3:2 to keep your estrogen elevated enough. What are your gains like compared to other cycles you’ve ran?
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Hard to gauge.

1. I've been blasting and cruising for a few years now.

2. I came out of covid almost starting from scratch again.

So the first couple of BnCs capitalising on muscle memory, I just blew back up.

Now I'm at the stage I'm kinda just balancing out weak points and recomping.

Also running a therapeutic dose of 200mg deca for the joints, and a bit of Tren because I love Tren.

I'm about 5kg (11lb) up in 10 weeks.

Which is slower progress than I'm used to.

But my recovery this cycle has been shit, not enough sleep, too much stress, nutrition isn't always what it should be.

I haven't measured bodyfat since beginning of the cycle, but visually the changes look to be headed in the right direction, thicker, harder, more vascular.
 
rizzlekdizzle said:
what's your physical condition now? 2-3hr workouts and that much cardio everyday seems like a massive amount of effort - are you training to compete or something? As some of the others are saying the doses are massive - like into competition type stacks but I guess you know your body??
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I’m just hyper focused on getting my body where I know it can be. I’m not sure if that’s a massive dose or a high dose. I honestly don’t feel much until I get around a gram of total gear. So I came here for input on what I could push knowing we and test is a relatively mild combo. I’ve ran 525 Tren with 400 test and 700 mast and could start to tell at that point I was on a cycle
 
abz.dwbro said:
Hard to gauge.

1. I've been blasting and cruising for a few years now.

2. I came out of covid almost starting from scratch again.

So the first couple of BnCs capitalising on muscle memory, I just blew back up.

Now I'm at the stage I'm kinda just balancing out weak points and recomping.

Also running a therapeutic dose of 200mg deca for the joints, and a bit of Tren because I love Tren.

I'm about 5kg (11lb) up in 10 weeks.

Which is slower progress than I'm used to.

But my recovery this cycle has been shit, not enough sleep, too much stress, nutrition isn't always what it should be.

I haven't measured bodyfat since beginning of the cycle, but visually the changes look to be headed in the right direction, thicker, harder, more vascular.
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Nice to hear. I love Tren too but have only ran it once. I’m early in my PED journey but I really like the effects it does to my composition and I can handle it well. You just going to sprinkle in some teen towards the end for composition?
 
Mr.GoodKat said:
Nice to hear. I love Tren too but have only ran it once. I’m early in my PED journey but I really like the effects it does to my composition and I can handle it well. You just going to sprinkle in some teen towards the end for composition?
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Ran it from week 1.

I can handle 12-16 weeks no worries.

When I drop the Tren I might run the last 6 weeks out on some var.
 
abz.dwbro said:
Ran it from week 1.

I can handle 12-16 weeks no worries.

When I drop the Tren I might run the last 6 weeks out on some var.
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Nice man I’m definitely going to check out your log. I was actually thinking about something similar. How does your body react to var? I’ve heard some people don’t respond and other hyper respond there is no real middle ground. I’ve never ran it before
 
RoidRage69 said:
You're not training properly. That is why you're not having the great results. Your cycle of 700 mast, 400 test, and 500 Tren make zero sense.
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You have no idea what I train, and what my results are. You’re a typical forum keyboard striker that chimes in with zero knowledge and pukes nonsense.
 
Mr.GoodKat said:
To be honest you’re the Maine reason that I don’t post much. You obviously haven’t paid attention to my log if you’re having to
ask me questions regarding gear and dosages so you have zero reason to question my dedication when you don’t even know the basics
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@Mr.GoodKat im the main reason come on man :) you are very abrasive, combative and negative to the EVO family and all we've done is tried to help you

I read your whole LOG ALL pages (and followed it closely)
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...deca-napsgear-geneza-pharma-cycle-log.100282/
and I read all pages, I can see the training and diet are not up to par on the amount of gear you want to use
no one is saying dont use steroids man, we are saying dont use high doses
why would that be such an alien or negative concept? :)

just your food alone needs way more protein for the amount of gear you use
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...r-geneza-pharma-cycle-log.100282/post-1577394
your training is limited at best
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...r-geneza-pharma-cycle-log.100282/post-1577578

and you're talking about 500mgs testosterone, 375mgs deca, 500mgs masteron here without even getting 300 grams of protein or getting training dialed in
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my summary:
I think you can do better with the lower dosages if you give us a chance, give the EVO family a chance to help you grow and get leaner.
But to do so you should step back and be more positive, help us understand you and help you get to your goals man :)

No one here is a saint, we all use steroids, but training and diet are 80% and steroids are 20%, so let us help you build the 80% as a family. Not sure how else to ask you, PLEASE lets do this.

Also I want to apologize, if you think I came off wrong, I truly am trying to help you man.
 
Mr.GoodKat said:
Nice man I’m definitely going to check out your log. I was actually thinking about something similar. How does your body react to var? I’ve heard some people don’t respond and other hyper respond there is no real middle ground. I’ve never ran it before
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This is the log @abz.dwbro has up: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/growth-cycle-log.101102/

@Mr.GoodKat you can see he shares good details on training and his motivations, very good info and easy for us to understand him and his direction.
 
Mr.GoodKat said:
Hey Evo Fam. I am wrapping up a cycle now of Test Deca and I think I want to give EQ a shot for my next go around. I’ve read countless posts on here and throughout the web but looking for more first hand advice.

First off I am 5-10, 216 pounds and I am a moderate aromatizer (average) I have taken up to a gram of test before and never got any test flu just had to up my AI a bit. I have experience with Deca, started out at 300 mg/week and increased up to 600 with no sides. I also have experience with Tren, started out at 225mg week and increased up to 525 mg with 700mg mast and 400mg test with little sides except the occasional tren sweats but nothing too severe.

I seem to have a pretty good tolerance for AAS and in my experience I have to push the doses up to see results. All gear I’ve used has been Geneza Pharm from Naps so I know it’s legit. My question is where should I start with a test EQ cycle for my next blast. I am thinking 1000 test 800 eq and is there anything else I should run alongside.

Thanks Evo fam.
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It'd be in those posts you read.
 
I think you should get off steroids and lose some body fat.
I’ll be honest the cycle you are running is not coinciding with the physique your displaying, not to be negative but you are not doing things correctly.

You need to take a different approach. Instead of worrying about dosing and ratios and e2, you should focus on a an eating plan that allows you to lose weight at a linear rate. focusing on your health annd improving blood markers and cardio health, how’s your BP? Your fasting glucose? You are running compounds that are going to wreck your health in more ways then one.

probably not the response you want, but I don’t think you have made the right choice for yourself taking the amount of gear with the body fat you are at.. please take my suggestions and get off and improve your diet and cardio vascular health before you even consider using steroids.
 
Just because you don’t get sides doesn’t mean you aren’t responding
 
@Mr.GoodKat reading all the posts and re-reviewing your log. I started reading back and you mentioned you had a tight schedule, so we are happy you were able to share with the EVO family in your log, thank you. :)

What I'd like to know is what is your end goal? like lets say you're using 800mgs equipoise and 1000mgs testosterone, what is the final goal?

Also do you have bloodwork? couldn't find it in your log.
 
AE1079 said:
I think you should get off steroids and lose some body fat.
I’ll be honest the cycle you are running is not coinciding with the physique your displaying, not to be negative but you are not doing things correctly.

You need to take a different approach. Instead of worrying about dosing and ratios and e2, you should focus on a an eating plan that allows you to lose weight at a linear rate. focusing on your health annd improving blood markers and cardio health, how’s your BP? Your fasting glucose? You are running compounds that are going to wreck your health in more ways then one.

probably not the response you want, but I don’t think you have made the right choice for yourself taking the amount of gear with the body fat you are at.. please take my suggestions and get off and improve your diet and cardio vascular health before you even consider using steroids.
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That’s not what I asked.
 
I think with your physique you should be noticing strength improvements
but you can't expect to steroids to improve your physique when you look in the mirror
 
it's a lot of gear to be using for someone who's not competing
I think that's what people are saying
 
I think the point is you should continue your log
if there's something you're not happy with its okay its there's no shame in that
 
let's face the facts
there's no such thing as a perfect training program it can always be tweaked and improved
 
Here is my current physique for the trolls who say I’m fat and need to cut down before using PED. My profile picture was assigned by someone and that was me at the beginning of my current cycle at the end of July. This picture shows 3 months of progress. I have lost about 8 pounds but maintained muscle comp during the cut.
 

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Mr.GoodKat said:
Here is my current physique for the trolls who say I’m fat and need to cut down before using PED. My profile picture was assigned by someone and that was me at the beginning of my current cycle at the end of July. This picture shows 3 months of progress. I have lost about 8 pounds but maintained muscle comp during the cut.
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@Mr.GoodKat you have made some good progress so well done bro :)
I think you gotta work on the chest training a lot and shoulders so that can start next cycle.

If you truly want to push eq I would start with 500mgs and work from there.
Though I would log the training so we can help you improve because many bodyparts we can work in bro.
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
@Mr.GoodKat you have made some good progress so well done bro :)
I think you gotta work on the chest training a lot and shoulders so that can start next cycle.

If you truly want to push eq I would start with 500mgs and work from there.
Though I would log the training so we can help you improve because many bodyparts we can work in bro.
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Yes I realize I need to add muscle that’s why I wanted to try EQ. I was in a deficit nearly this whole cycle but still was able to add muscle. I only lost 8 pounds and I know I lost way more than that in fat
 
Even though you seem to tolerate higher doses without sides, I still won't recommend abusive doses. Not worth the health risks. Test and EQ I would do 200-300 test and 400-600 EQ. If you can't get results on that, something is wrong with diet or training.
 
Mr.GoodKat said:
Hey Evo Fam. I am wrapping up a cycle now of Test Deca and I think I want to give EQ a shot for my next go around. I’ve read countless posts on here and throughout the web but looking for more first hand advice.

First off I am 5-10, 216 pounds and I am a moderate aromatizer (average) I have taken up to a gram of test before and never got any test flu just had to up my AI a bit. I have experience with Deca, started out at 300 mg/week and increased up to 600 with no sides. I also have experience with Tren, started out at 225mg week and increased up to 525 mg with 700mg mast and 400mg test with little sides except the occasional tren sweats but nothing too severe.

I seem to have a pretty good tolerance for AAS and in my experience I have to push the doses up to see results. All gear I’ve used has been Geneza Pharm from Naps so I know it’s legit. My question is where should I start with a test EQ cycle for my next blast. I am thinking 1000 test 800 eq and is there anything else I should run alongside.

Thanks Evo fam.
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From my research 5:3 test to eq ratio is ideal. I’m going to run 500mg test and 300mg eq for my next cycle. I’m adding the EQ to act as an AI and for some extra strength and endurance which equates to more long term gains. I think your dosages are a little high tbh. Personally I’d lower them and throw in an oral since EQ takes forever to kick in anyway.
 
Sometimes we don't respond well with certain compounds it happens, running more vs less at times can be counter productive just depends on mutiple factors.

With how hou train how long the sessions are and all the cardio it could be holding you back by spiking cortisol levels and putting to much stress and inflammation on the body combining the gear amounts plus the physical impact.

I know for me I use low amounts of gear and weaker compounds at that and I respond extremely well on just 600 total mg of compounds.

Maybe you just need to do some adjustments and see what helps and what doesn't, worth a shot.
 
Noah Wixx said:
Sometimes we don't respond well with certain compounds it happens, running more vs less at times can be counter productive just depends on mutiple factors.

With how hou train how long the sessions are and all the cardio it could be holding you back by spiking cortisol levels and putting to much stress and inflammation on the body combining the gear amounts plus the physical impact.

I know for me I use low amounts of gear and weaker compounds at that and I respond extremely well on just 600 total mg of compounds.

Maybe you just need to do some adjustments and see what helps and what doesn't, worth a shot.
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Appreciate the suggestion bro
 
You do you... i can tell you with all certainty that 400-500 mg of eq is PLENTY... there is less than zero need to run eq that high and if you need to do that to make gains then you either have really bad gear or serious holes in diet and training... those kinds of doses shorten your life span and do not and some sort of significant huge difference in gains either... the adverse effects both short and long term, FAR outweigh ANY instant gratification, which once again will be temporary at best
 
dylangemelli said:
You do you... i can tell you with all certainty that 400-500 mg of eq is PLENTY... there is less than zero need to run eq that high and if you need to do that to make gains then you either have really bad gear or serious holes in diet and training... those kinds of doses shorten your life span and do not and some sort of significant huge difference in gains either... the adverse effects both short and long term, FAR outweigh ANY instant gratification, which once again will be temporary at best
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I’ve seen you recommend EQ at 800 before and your current video in YouTube recommends 600 so why now the recommendation down to 400. What has changed in your opinion
 
Mr.GoodKat said:
Yes I realize I need to add muscle that’s why I wanted to try EQ. I was in a deficit nearly this whole cycle but still was able to add muscle. I only lost 8 pounds and I know I lost way more than that in fat
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@Mr.GoodKat eq would be a good place for you to start off, how about training diet? we should work on planning it for this coming cycle
 
Mr.GoodKat said:
I’ve seen you recommend EQ at 800 before and your current video in YouTube recommends 600 so why now the recommendation down to 400. What has changed in your opinion
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That was years ago on those recommendations and over time i have learned that much is just not necessary and the risk far outweighs the reward
 
Mr.GoodKat said:
I’ve seen you recommend EQ at 800 before and your current video in YouTube recommends 600 so why now the recommendation down to 400. What has changed in your opinion
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Good catch out. 😁
 
there is no typical or set dosage for any of this no matter what anyone says. if it were me, I'd run 300 test and 400 EQ, but everyone is different. I don't run EQ due to the anxiety it gives me and the fact that a 400 dose would have me donating a pint of blood every 8 weeks due to high hematocrit.
 
stevesmi said:
I don't understand the dosing on the gear. EQ + Test at almost 2grams.

thats for people who are competing as powerlifters at high levels
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most powerlifters run injectable test/tren and one oral. that's pretty standard. im sure there are outliers but that's usually what it is. nobody needs a gram of test or 800 EQ. you could make a case even a top flight Mr Olympia competitor wouldn't need those doses.
 
Mr.GoodKat said:
I’ve seen you recommend EQ at 800 before and your current video in YouTube recommends 600 so why now the recommendation down to 400. What has changed in your opinion
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One thing that I have learned and come to the realization as I have aged is that data and science is ever changing... Im more than man enough to always be accountable when I have made mistakes... I was far more in line with what the "bros" were saying when I was younger and for that, I am honestly embarrassed however I am accountable for that... NOW, I am in a far different place with far more understanding and hands on experience, working along side true doctors and practitioners and realizing so many of my past mistakes and assumptions that were inherently wrong... so I do understand that you saw old data and information, but I can tell you that I was wrong in those past instances
 
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