Approved Log First Cycle Sustanon 250 Log

[Simoneme]

Hello all, first post at all.
37 years old.
Training consistently since 6 years, 83 kg x 185 cm (Crossfit)
I did 1 month Sust 350 + 1 week at 500 (source PSL)
I got very high E2 hence yesterday I started with 1 mg AI (2/3 x week)
No sides at all (no gyno, no acne, no libido lack, no ED, just a little red cheecks after workout)
I will test again maybe in 2/3 weeks and at the end of PCT
below pre cycle blood and 1 month after results, glad to hear your comments

​

Thanks

 

[s.gentz]

Hello all, first post at all.
37 years old.
Training consistently since 6 years, 83 kg x 185 cm (Crossfit)
I did 1 month Sust 350 + 1 week at 500 (source PSL)
I got very high E2 hence yesterday I started with 1 mg AI (2/3 x week)
No sides at all (no gyno, no acne, no libido lack, no ED, just a little red cheecks after workout)
I will test again maybe in 2/3 weeks and at the end of PCT
below pre cycle blood and 1 month after results, glad to hear your comments

View attachment 79498

​

Thanks

Without the ranges for bloods this is not very useful.

 

[stevesmi]

so if i 'm reading this right you did 5 weeks of sustanon? sustanon does not even reach peak levels in the body for 7-9 weeks.

it should be ran minimum 15-20 weeks and is more geared towards TRT. it was designed for TRT, not for short cycles.

the problem is not only it takes a long time to reach peak, but it will also take a long time to be out of your system. so you will run into pct issues cause you will likely run your pct to short.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hello all, first post at all.
37 years old.
Training consistently since 6 years, 83 kg x 185 cm (Crossfit)
I did 1 month Sust 350 + 1 week at 500 (source PSL)
I got very high E2 hence yesterday I started with 1 mg AI (2/3 x week)
No sides at all (no gyno, no acne, no libido lack, no ED, just a little red cheecks after workout)
I will test again maybe in 2/3 weeks and at the end of PCT
below pre cycle blood and 1 month after results, glad to hear your comments

View attachment 79498

​

Thanks

@Simoneme welcome to the EVO family I turned this into a full cycle log for you.

A few question to start.
Please share your full blood work, do you have it? blur personal info.
Also share a picture of you face blurred.

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred (every 1-2 weeks)
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

Podcast
are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

thank you and share more

 

[Simoneme]

so if i 'm reading this right you did 5 weeks of sustanon? sustanon does not even reach peak levels in the body for 7-9 weeks.

it should be ran minimum 15-20 weeks and is more geared towards TRT. it was designed for TRT, not for short cycles.

the problem is not only it takes a long time to reach peak, but it will also take a long time to be out of your system. so you will run into pct issues cause you will likely run your pct to short.

Hi
I'm doing 10/12 week cycle at 350 then 500 x week, I won't go longer.
I was just wondering if my value are normal or not during this cycle. Then 2 weeks stop then PCT

 

[Simoneme]

@Simoneme welcome to the EVO family I turned this into a full cycle log for you.

A few question to start.
Please share your full blood work, do you have it? blur personal info.
Also share a picture of you face blurred.

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred (every 1-2 weeks)
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

Podcast
are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

thank you and share more

Hi
This is the blood I got, do you suggest getting other value tested?
I do crossfit so it's almost always cardio + olympic + strenght conditioning.
No supps added to the diet
PSL sustanon as gear
Typical day meals
240 white egga with oaks
2 pancakes with syrup

200 g pasta + cottage

200 g pasta + 200 g meat and veggies

Protein bar + greek yogurt
1 protein shacke

Meat/fish 300 g + protein shake

Got 4 kg in one month of sustanon, no water, same bf as before.

To me its working, just worried a bit about estrogens hence Im taking ari

 

[Mobster]

Without the ranges for bloods this is not very useful.

It would be helpful but the ranges are easy to find

 

[s.gentz]

It would be helpful but the ranges are easy to find

That's not necessarily true. We don't know what labs he used in what country. Values could be different.
Also, he asked a question, we shouldn't have to spend time doing research to answer it.

 

[ceo]

Bros. I've had blood work where my estrogen was high and not felt side effects, but it doesn't mean there's no problems happening inside the body.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Estrogen can creep up on you.

If you don't feel like you're having issues, that doesn't mean much. Because by the time you do feel issues, it's too late.

 

[chesty]

Make sure you get all your information up, man. We need to see your pictures. We need to get a sense of where you're coming from.

 

[Ulter]

When it comes to PCT timing,

it's important to get blood work done a full month or two after you're done with it.

 

[Simoneme]

Estrogen can creep up on you.

If you don't feel like you're having issues, that doesn't mean much. Because by the time you do feel issues, it's too late.

Today I tested blood pressure and its 124-60
Can you suggest any other value to monitor during blood?

 

[Simoneme]

Bros. I've had blood work where my estrogen was high and not felt side effects, but it doesn't mean there's no problems happening inside the body.

Today I tested blood pressure and its 124-60
Can you suggest any other value to monitor for next blood exhams?

 

[StevenDarwinMD]

APPROVED LOG

 

[Simoneme]

When it comes to PCT timing,

it's important to get blood work done a full month or two after you're done with it.

That's an important point. After PCT then I will wait 1 or 2 months in order to take bloods again.
Can you suggest other values to monitor?

 

[e2]

I would wait at least 2 months to your end of your PCT to get blood work up.

You want to make sure your hormonal levels are back balanced.

 

[Simoneme]

I would wait at least 2 months to your end of your PCT to get blood work up.

You want to make sure your hormonal levels are back balanced.

many thanks
any suggestion regarding other blood values to check on top of ormonal levels?

thanks

 

[Simoneme]

Make sure you get all your information up, man. We need to see your pictures. We need to get a sense of where you're coming from.

That's me right after last week work out.
Lights don't help of course, anyhow 84 kg x 1.85 - 10/12-13 % body fat at the moment

 

[2Thick]

I'm looking forward to see what kind of results you get. This will be a fun one to follow.

 

[Simoneme]

I'm looking forward to see what kind of results you get. This will be a fun one to follow.

Why are you saying this? making fun of me or are you serious? If you have any suggestion in order to make my cycle safer please advise

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

if you are only going 10 weeks next time get test E. sustanon should be more for long term cycles or trt

 

[Simoneme]

if you are only going 10 weeks next time get test E. sustanon should be more for long term cycles or trt

Actually, I was planning to have a second cycle for the summer ( I have test and deca) but as far as I understood, it's better to ride this cycle and then wait for the next year. I have another bottle of sus 500 so I will ride it longer, do proper pct, wait 2 moths, get blood and then holiday break How many weeks in total do you suggest for SUS?
Thanks

 

[Wootoom]

Thanks for putting up your diet.. Not seeing much in the way of fruits or vegetables. That's one of the things you should clean up. Unless you're following just a carnivore diet.

 

[Simoneme]

Thanks for putting up your diet.. Not seeing much in the way of fruits or vegetables. That's one of the things you should clean up. Unless you're following just a carnivore diet.

I have it, but I don't list it. I do eat bananas, avocado, mandarine, salad, broccoli, asparagus and so on.

 

[JasonPriest]

yeah fruits and veggies are important.

good micronutrients and other things not found in other foods.

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro you eating red meat. thats good. we need pics. It better be bloody and medium rare

 

[Quadsweep]

pasta isn't ideal.

it can be something you eat twice a month only but has to be veggie pasta. refined flour pasta is a no-no

 

[Simoneme]

pasta isn't ideal.

it can be something you eat twice a month only but has to be veggie pasta. refined flour pasta is a no-no

I do eat wholemeal

 

[Simoneme]

I forgot to mention
TONS OF CARDIO daily ( I do 5/6 workouts per week)
Some cigs and some weed in the we.
Moderate drinking in the we.

 

[LevButlerov]

This is the blood I got, do you suggest getting other value tested?

@Simoneme Yes you need full blood panel can you get that?

I do crossfit so it's almost always cardio + olympic + strenght conditioning.

we would like to see actual sets reps and some exercises at least what you're good at please.

PSL sustanon as gear

PSL sustanon is a good choice, @~Vision~ is here part of the PSL team so you are in good hands
there is another PSL athlete with a Log you can check his @RoidRage69
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/

Typical day meals
240 white egga with oaks
2 pancakes with syrup

200 g pasta + cottage

200 g pasta + 200 g meat and veggies

Protein bar + greek yogurt
1 protein shacke

Meat/fish 300 g + protein shake

first it would be good to see meal pictures to see your situation clearly can you snap a few pics as you eat day in and out and share please?

That's me right after last week work out.
Lights don't help of course, anyhow 84 kg x 1.85 - 10/12-13 % body fat at the moment

You look awesome, I like the abs very lean about 10-12% give or take. Good chest but we can work on your arms for sure.

 

[Simoneme]

@Simoneme Yes you need full blood panel can you get that?


we would like to see actual sets reps and some exercises at least what you're good at please.


PSL sustanon is a good choice, @~Vision~ is here part of the PSL team so you are in good hands
there is another PSL athlete with a Log you can check his @RoidRage69
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/


first it would be good to see meal pictures to see your situation clearly can you snap a few pics as you eat day in and out and share please?


You look awesome, I like the abs very lean about 10-12% give or take. Good chest but we can work on your arms for sure.

Thanks, next week I will post week workout.
Can you please give me a list of value for blood test? I'm italian so I need to explain them what I neeed. Btw, my ormonal check was 110 € I hope the full panel won't be expensive

 

[ballin2504]

Hello all, first post at all.
37 years old.
Training consistently since 6 years, 83 kg x 185 cm (Crossfit)
I did 1 month Sust 350 + 1 week at 500 (source PSL)
I got very high E2 hence yesterday I started with 1 mg AI (2/3 x week)
No sides at all (no gyno, no acne, no libido lack, no ED, just a little red cheecks after workout)
I will test again maybe in 2/3 weeks and at the end of PCT
below pre cycle blood and 1 month after results, glad to hear your comments

View attachment 79498

​

Thanks

@Simoneme do you have the ranges so that we can tell where you stand

 

[~Vision~]

@Simoneme Yes you need full blood panel can you get that?


we would like to see actual sets reps and some exercises at least what you're good at please.


PSL sustanon is a good choice, @~Vision~ is here part of the PSL team so you are in good hands
there is another PSL athlete with a Log you can check his @RoidRage69
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/


first it would be good to see meal pictures to see your situation clearly can you snap a few pics as you eat day in and out and share please?


You look awesome, I like the abs very lean about 10-12% give or take. Good chest but we can work on your arms for sure.

This community is the epitome of a support system like no other. Everyone here exudes support, humility, and genuine care for one another. It is truly inspiring to witness such camaraderie and selflessness. I am filled with immense pride to be a part of this extraordinary group. What sets us apart is that each and every individual is a leader in their own right, setting a shining example for others to follow.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

This community is the epitome of a support system like no other. Everyone here exudes support, humility, and genuine care for one another. It is truly inspiring to witness such camaraderie and selflessness. I am filled with immense pride to be a part of this extraordinary group. What sets us apart is that each and every individual is a leader in their own right, setting a shining example for others to follow.

EVO family full support LOVE for you bro @~Vision~

 

[~Vision~]

EVO family full support LOVE for you bro @~Vision~

Some of us may not possess any extraordinary talents or hobbies, or even having any skill with working on any projects, but for our true purpose here in Evo with all of our existence holds something far more captivating , For one that's being of service to others, and being supportive, secondly with the most important project of all -

Ourselves. We're our own best project, and we have the opportunity to continuously improve and reinvent ourselves, changing the trajectory of our life.

It's a challenge unlike any other, a test of grit, perseverance and determination. A task that would push many of us to our limits and beyond. But we're certainly not alone, not without our beloved community & support, this task will very likely change the trajectory of our lives forever.

We're blessed to have the opportunity with being our very own best project everlastingly unleashing greatness, embracing the journey of self-improvement and personal growth rising from the ashes, and unlocking the absolute fullest of our potentials. PUSHING BEYOND, AND SELF-DISCOVERY, LEARNING NEW THINGS ABOUT OURSELVES THAT WE NEVER KNEW EXISTED.. Very few have lived their lives, and at the end said that they have exhausted all of their resources and tools that they were provided with.

People, let's get it on, We only live once, this is our first time being alive, so let's make it count!!!!

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Some of us may not possess any extraordinary talents or hobbies, or even having any skill with working on any projects, but for our true purpose here in Evo with all of our existence holds something far more captivating , For one that's being of service to others, and being supportive, secondly with the most important project of all -

Ourselves. We're our own best project, and we have the opportunity to continuously improve and reinvent ourselves, changing the trajectory of our life.

It's a challenge unlike any other, a test of grit, perseverance and determination. A task that would push many of us to our limits and beyond. But we're certainly not alone, not without our beloved community & support, this task will very likely change the trajectory of our lives forever.

We're blessed to have the opportunity with being our very own best project everlastingly unleashing greatness, embracing the journey of self-improvement and personal growth rising from the ashes, and unlocking the absolute fullest of our potentials. PUSHING BEYOND, AND SELF-DISCOVERY, LEARNING NEW THINGS ABOUT OURSELVES THAT WE NEVER KNEW EXISTED.. Very few have lived their lives, and at the end said that they have exhausted all of their resources and tools that they were provided with.

People, let's get it on, We only live once, this is our first time being alive, so let's make it count!!!!

very wise statements bro @~Vision~ you are the KING for a reason

 

[Simoneme]

Hello All
update
Due to High E2, I got 1 mg of Ari on thursday and felt weak and shit till Sunday, I suppose because of the E2 reduction.
Hence, I took on Sunday evening 0.25 and things got better, this morning mood was very high!

Now a view of my weekly training routine

As you can see it is a total body routine with cardio, metcon, strenght, gymnastic and powerlifting, if you don't know movement name, you can aks or google it easily.

Before cycle, I was already able to handle such volume, but now I can do it with heavier weight and no DOMS the day after.
Just bone / tendon is holding me a bit since I passed through back hernia and cartilage issue in one of my knees.
Things are ok now, I almost recovered / adapted.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hello All
update
Due to High E2, I got 1 mg of Ari on thursday and felt weak and shit till Sunday, I suppose because of the E2 reduction.
Hence, I took on Sunday evening 0.25 and things got better, this morning mood was very high!

Now a view of my weekly training routine

View attachment 80039

As you can see it is a total body routine with cardio, metcon, strenght, gymnastic and powerlifting, if you don't know movement name, you can aks or google it easily.

Before cycle, I was already able to handle such volume, but now I can do it with heavier weight and no DOMS the day after.
Just bone / tendon is holding me a bit since I passed through back hernia and cartilage issue in one of my knees.
Things are ok now, I almost recovered / adapted.

looking at this hard to say anything on training, whats this with player a and b? please clarify @Simoneme

 

[stevesmi]

possible if you slammed estrogen too fast

 

[Simoneme]

looking at this hard to say anything on training, whats this with player a and b? please clarify @Simoneme

Team x 2, player A and player B, its a training for 2

 

[Simoneme]

possible if you slammed estrogen too fast

Could be
Anyhow today I was stronger as before, morning wood and a good stamina hence I should be back on track. 0.25 seems a sweet spot

 

[Mobster]

Hello All
update
Due to High E2, I got 1 mg of Ari on thursday and felt weak and shit till Sunday, I suppose because of the E2 reduction.
Hence, I took on Sunday evening 0.25 and things got better, this morning mood was very high!

Now a view of my weekly training routine

View attachment 80039

As you can see it is a total body routine with cardio, metcon, strenght, gymnastic and powerlifting, if you don't know movement name, you can aks or google it easily.

Before cycle, I was already able to handle such volume, but now I can do it with heavier weight and no DOMS the day after.
Just bone / tendon is holding me a bit since I passed through back hernia and cartilage issue in one of my knees.
Things are ok now, I almost recovered / adapted.

Wrap or strap it - esp on the heavy sets

 

[Simoneme]

UPDATE
Daily meal type, some body pics from yesterday and a track of the gains with electric scale
(beginning of the cycle till today)

 

[LevButlerov]

Team x 2, player A and player B, its a training for 2

Now its clear.

 

[LevButlerov]

UPDATE
Daily meal type, some body pics from yesterday and a track of the gains with electric scale
(beginning of the cycle till today)


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whats your carb intake protein fat intake on macros do you have that by chance?

 

[Simoneme]

UPDATE
today I peed a lot, like 6/7 times from 5.30 am to 5.30 PM
Is this something to worry about? I almost drink 2 liters of water per day and I'm on 0.25 AI every 2/3 days

 

[ceo]

, Bros, that's some interesting meals. You're putting together their Looks really good.

 

[Austin316]

Nice updates. As always.

Those abs are really showing.

 

[sambee38]

You're doing an amazing job. Physique is looking amazing.

 

[BookerTNY]

Keep up the good work, man.

I like the different specs that you put together for us.

 

[Arabian]

Still early in this long so you have a lot of improvement to go. I would like to see you putting more lean mass on

 

[Zyglamail]

Might be time to increase the protein as well. Maybe cut out the yogurt and the Juice drinks.

 

[Shrine]

You can add some raw nuts and things like beans and peas if you can digest them.

 

[caligirl85]

Nice job on the picture updates.

Work on some stomach vacuuming, you have a nice tight waist genetically so take advantage of that.

 

[zedhed]

Impressive update. Your physique is coming together. It's still very early. Let's see where you're at in a couple months from now.

 

[Simoneme]

Impressive update. Your physique is coming together. It's still very early. Let's see where you're at in a couple months from now.

I still have one month to go
It's the 8th week on, I will quit after 12 weeks, let's see

 

[25homes]

Will be following

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Hopefully that estrogen levels out quick.

 

[Simoneme]

UPDATE
today I peed a lot, like 6/7 times from 5.30 am to 5.30 PM
Is this something to worry about? I almost drink 2 liters of water per day and I'm on 0.25 AI every 2/3 days

Hi all
I added Saw Palmetto supplement
Tonight I will take also ibuprofene to see if it helps with minor inflammation
I will also lower sustanon, from 500 to 350 then taper to 250 per week till the end of the cycle
Any thoughts?

 

[ballin2504]

Hello All
update
Due to High E2, I got 1 mg of Ari on thursday and felt weak and shit till Sunday, I suppose because of the E2 reduction.
Hence, I took on Sunday evening 0.25 and things got better, this morning mood was very high!

Now a view of my weekly training routine

View attachment 80039

As you can see it is a total body routine with cardio, metcon, strenght, gymnastic and powerlifting, if you don't know movement name, you can aks or google it easily.

Before cycle, I was already able to handle such volume, but now I can do it with heavier weight and no DOMS the day after.
Just bone / tendon is holding me a bit since I passed through back hernia and cartilage issue in one of my knees.
Things are ok now, I almost recovered / adapted.

@Simoneme love seeing people who know their body and how to take care of themselves. Nice work taking care of the e2 man.

 

[RoySimpson]

Some of us may not possess any extraordinary talents or hobbies, or even having any skill with working on any projects, but for our true purpose here in Evo with all of our existence holds something far more captivating , For one that's being of service to others, and being supportive, secondly with the most important project of all -

Ourselves. We're our own best project, and we have the opportunity to continuously improve and reinvent ourselves, changing the trajectory of our life.

It's a challenge unlike any other, a test of grit, perseverance and determination. A task that would push many of us to our limits and beyond. But we're certainly not alone, not without our beloved community & support, this task will very likely change the trajectory of our lives forever.

We're blessed to have the opportunity with being our very own best project everlastingly unleashing greatness, embracing the journey of self-improvement and personal growth rising from the ashes, and unlocking the absolute fullest of our potentials. PUSHING BEYOND, AND SELF-DISCOVERY, LEARNING NEW THINGS ABOUT OURSELVES THAT WE NEVER KNEW EXISTED.. Very few have lived their lives, and at the end said that they have exhausted all of their resources and tools that they were provided with.

People, let's get it on, We only live once, this is our first time being alive, so let's make it count!!!!

Staying on the path and focusing on yourself and the journey.

 

[Simoneme]

Update
Pee went ok, no problem at all.
I'm arount week 10, I have switched to sus 500 (2 shots x 0.5 x week) since I have finished the 250 bottle
Things are going ok, weights to the roof, boner regular with my gf (she says I'm an animal now...)

Obviously, in my box there are people supposed to be natural which are stronger than me, but that's part of the game.
At the moment, my partner is a bear of 110 kg (I'm 84), he is stronger than me but we can workout in pair perfectly.

This week I was able to do:
WOD 1
Team for 2
20 rounds (1 round each) - 12 bench press 60 kg + 12 pull ups INTO 30 devil press (2 dumbbells 22,5 kg) - TIME 33 min.
Keep in mind that last year I struggled to do it with 50 kg

WOD 2
Team for 2
25 cal (row or bike)
8 power clean (90kg)
40 air squat sincro

WOD 3
team for 2
6 rounds
(5 minutes on - 2 off)
30 cals (15 each)
20 muscle ups (10 each) (ok, this has been scaled, muscle ups are very hard, I did 8 - 6 reps)
In remaining time
3 squat clean 80 kg (while partner is on handstand) and switch (las year I did this with 70 kg and it was heavy)

I have decided to keep on for another 4/5 weeks since I'm feeling more than ok.

Below a little update.
Friends who sees me regularly half naked finally said I got big and started asking how...

 

[LevButlerov]

Update
Pee went ok, no problem at all.
I'm arount week 10, I have switched to sus 500 (2 shots x 0.5 x week) since I have finished the 250 bottle
Things are going ok, weights to the roof, boner regular with my gf (she says I'm an animal now...)

Obviously, in my box there are people supposed to be natural which are stronger than me, but that's part of the game.
At the moment, my partner is a bear of 110 kg (I'm 84), he is stronger than me but we can workout in pair perfectly.

This week I was able to do:
WOD 1
Team for 2
20 rounds (1 round each) - 12 bench press 60 kg + 12 pull ups INTO 30 devil press (2 dumbbells 22,5 kg) - TIME 33 min.
Keep in mind that last year I struggled to do it with 50 kg

WOD 2
Team for 2
25 cal (row or bike)
8 power clean (90kg)
40 air squat sincro

WOD 3
team for 2
6 rounds
(5 minutes on - 2 off)
30 cals (15 each)
20 muscle ups (10 each) (ok, this has been scaled, muscle ups are very hard, I did 8 - 6 reps)
In remaining time
3 squat clean 80 kg (while partner is on handstand) and switch (las year I did this with 70 kg and it was heavy)

I have decided to keep on for another 4/5 weeks since I'm feeling more than ok.

Below a little update.
Friends who sees me regularly half naked finally said I got big and started asking how...

View attachment 81794

Abs are looking tight in the picture @Simoneme
but thats you or him?

 

[Simoneme]

Abs are looking tight in the picture @Simoneme
but thats you or him?

I'm the one on the right
Anyhow he is like 65 kg so I made the pic on purpose

 

[LevButlerov]

I'm the one on the right
Anyhow he is like 65 kg so I made the pic on purpose

On the right you're ripped

 

[Simoneme]

Hi all
everything fine, I'm on 11 week, ahead to the finish line.
Btw, I have already Nolva and clomid with me.
I will wait 2 weeks in order to clean up Esters, I will start PCT and then wait again 2 weeks for bloods.
Do you have any suggestion regarding Nolva and clomid dosage / cycle lenght?
Actually I feel ok, I have no erection issues, maybe mimimal shrink but this was also before cycling, I guess I'm prone to that (shown by bloods pre cycle).
Thank you all for the support.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hi all
everything fine, I'm on 11 week, ahead to the finish line.
Btw, I have already Nolva and clomid with me.
I will wait 2 weeks in order to clean up Esters, I will start PCT and then wait again 2 weeks for bloods.
Do you have any suggestion regarding Nolva and clomid dosage / cycle lenght?
Actually I feel ok, I have no erection issues, maybe mimimal shrink but this was also before cycling, I guess I'm prone to that (shown by bloods pre cycle).
Thank you all for the support.

You havent been doing many updates so its hard to tell where you are @Simoneme
I think in your situation you can try perfect pct.

Nolvadex usually 60-20
clomid 50-12.5
hcgenerate 5-3 tabs

read this
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct-explained.7556/

 

[Simoneme]

You havent been doing many updates so its hard to tell where you are @Simoneme
I think in your situation you can try perfect pct.

Nolvadex usually 60-20
clomid 50-12.5
hcgenerate 5-3 tabs

read this
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct-explained.7556/

Hi
Can you please explain what 60-20 and 50-12.5 means? Im a bit naive on this...
And where to get hc generate? I have testomax, will it work?
I didn't update since Im doing ok, no sides, good strenght gains and volume, so pretty ahead, here a pic of today, kg around 83/84 at 12%

 

[LevButlerov]

Hi
Can you please explain what 60-20 and 50-12.5 means? Im a bit naive on this...
And where to get hc generate? I have testomax, will it work?
I didn't update since Im doing ok, no sides, good strenght gains and volume, so pretty ahead, here a pic of today, kg around 83/84 at 12%

If you're doing ok or not you should still update. @Simoneme we need to see what you're up to and situation.
Looking at your picture I see clear signs of gynecomastia, you have lumps?
here hcgenerate info:
https://www.hcgenerate.com

 

[Simoneme]

If you're doing ok or not you should still update. @Simoneme we need to see what you're up to and situation.
Looking at your picture I see clear signs of gynecomastia, you have lumps?
here hcgenerate info:
https://www.hcgenerate.com

I halways had such nipples...
Look at this 2019 100%natural
I can say I didnt get worse.
Lump means what? I feel normal nipples, no balls, no masses, no itch, nothing.
Hcgen is very expensive, it will cost more than a cycle!
Can you have a look at Testomax if it can go?

 

[LevButlerov]

I halways had such nipples...
Look at this 2019 100%natural
I can say I didnt get worse.
Lump means what? I feel normal nipples, no balls, no masses, no itch, nothing.
Hcgen is very expensive, it will cost more than a cycle!
Can you have a look at Testomax if it can go?

You could have gyno natural thats not abnormal. @Simoneme You wouldnt be the first.
It looks like gyno in both cases to be honest.
I dont know testomax what else you using?

 

[Simoneme]

You could have gyno natural thats not abnormal. @Simoneme You wouldnt be the first.
It looks like gyno in both cases to be honest.
I dont know testomax what else you using?

Yes I always have had big nipples btw
See attached testomax value
I do use fish oil and condroitine

 

[LevButlerov]

Yes I always have had big nipples btw
See attached testomax value
I do use fish oil and condroitine

You need tamoxifen aka nolvadex not this plain supplement, tamoxifen is a SERM
read please @Simoneme and this is why updating log is important, we would have told you to use nolva a while back
https://www.evolutionary.org/nolvadex-tamoxifen-citrate

 

[Simoneme]

You need tamoxifen aka nolvadex not this plain supplement, tamoxifen is a SERM
read please @Simoneme and this is why updating log is important, we would have told you to use nolva a while back
https://www.evolutionary.org/nolvadex-tamoxifen-citrate

Im using arimidex now eod 0.25
Nolva and clomid for pct already in hand
Am I doing it wrong?
Can you please tell about 60/12 and 50/12.5 protocol you mentioned?

 

[LevButlerov]

Im using arimidex now eod 0.25
Nolva and clomid for pct already in hand
Am I doing it wrong?
Can you please tell about 60/12 and 50/12.5 protocol you mentioned?

you are using the pct now?

 

[Simoneme]

you are using the pct now?

No
Im on 11 week
On week 15 I will stop for 2 weeks then pct.
Im using now ari.
I just need advise regarding how to cycle nolva and clomid when I will pct :]

 

[LevButlerov]

No
Im on 11 week
On week 15 I will stop for 2 weeks then pct.
Im using now ari.
I just need advise regarding how to cycle nolva and clomid when I will pct :]

Why do you need PCT have you considered self TRT?

 

[Simoneme]

Why do you need PCT have you considered self TRT?

Yes, but I would try to recover first and see if my body allows it. Personally I don't like the idea of being lifetime on medication.
But I will consider this option in future

 

[LevButlerov]

Yes, but I would try to recover first and see if my body allows it. Personally I don't like the idea of being lifetime on medication.
But I will consider this option in future

That's not medication. And eventually you'll need to be on TRT no matter what.
whats your natty test level? @Simoneme

 

[Simoneme]

That's not medication. And eventually you'll need to be on TRT no matter what.
whats your natty test level? @Simoneme

it was 13.7 ng/L

 

[Simoneme]

Hi All
small update:
I'm purchasing stuff for PCT whic I was missing, following this guide:

https://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

I already have Nolva and Clomid, and some cardarine / ostarine leftovers;
I bought HC gen from an european supplier since the USA one had very expensive shipment costs.
Then I was wondering:
Do I really need 7 caps per day of N2Guard? Why so many pills?
Then, why AI during PCT on top of nolva?

Thanks

 

[LevButlerov]

it was 13.7 ng/L

Thats very low.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hi All
small update:
I'm purchasing stuff for PCT whic I was missing, following this guide:

https://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

I already have Nolva and Clomid, and some cardarine / ostarine leftovers;
I bought HC gen from an european supplier since the USA one had very expensive shipment costs.
Then I was wondering:
Do I really need 7 caps per day of N2Guard? Why so many pills?
Then, why AI during PCT on top of nolva?

Thanks

@Simoneme if you want organ liver support you should take n2guard to detox your liver and kidneys but you can start with 5 caps. If you want full dose its a lot of mgs and that takes a lot of capsules, you follow?
Ai during pct so your E2 doesn't spike but only use it week 1.

 

[Simoneme]

Thats very low.

I see.
In my life, I have always been weaker than other guys and with less attitude to sports in general; On cycle this changed dramatically, and now I'm strong like other people, and even more.
Anyhow, bloods says I was in range, the values are min 12,30 - max 46,60
It was taken in november, 2 months before the cycle, 1 month off mild Sarm cycle.
They also say that my sport tends to lower testo a bit due to overtraining and fatigue.
Let's see after the cycle and PCT, I will do blood again and hopefully the base level will be better...

 

[Simoneme]

@Simoneme if you want organ liver support you should take n2guard to detox your liver and kidneys but you can start with 5 caps. If you want full dose its a lot of mgs and that takes a lot of capsules, you follow?
Ai during pct so your E2 doesn't spike but only use it week 1.

Got it.
I think anyhow I'm very sensitive to AI. I'm using PSL stuff, and I'm taking 0.25 ARI EOD; this caused a bit of headache yesterday with low mood, but today is fixed.
I think I will stick to this dosage or even less during the first week as you suggested.

 

[LevButlerov]

Got it.
I think anyhow I'm very sensitive to AI. I'm using PSL stuff, and I'm taking 0.25 ARI EOD; this caused a bit of headache yesterday with low mood, but today is fixed.
I think I will stick to this dosage or even less during the first week as you suggested.

@Simoneme in a "pct" style scenario you'll have mood shifts. please remind me when is your last blood work?

 

[Simoneme]

@Simoneme in a "pct" style scenario you'll have mood shifts. please remind me when is your last blood work?

Five weeks after the first pin, basically 6 weeks ago

 

[LevButlerov]

Five weeks after the first pin, basically 6 weeks ago

You you might be ok 6 weeks ago, you should consider doing bloods next week. So you dont have to guess on E2 levels.

 

[Simoneme]

You you might be ok 6 weeks ago, you should consider doing bloods next week. So you dont have to guess on E2 levels.

Pulled blood this morning.
Btw, saturday I got an eco to my chest, it looks like I have glands to be removed, around 3 cm x 8 mm both sides.
I'm waiting surgeon analysis, luckily a friend of mine is a plastic surgeon hence she will advise for the best solution. She is also involved in my same sport activity so she knows my routine and will advise regarding recovering time & when I will be back in full throttle at the gym. Being honest, my hestetic doesn't bother me that much, but I fear that it could get worse and why not reducing nipple size could be anyhow an hestetic improvement and prevention as well.

 

[LevButlerov]

Pulled blood this morning.
Btw, saturday I got an eco to my chest, it looks like I have glands to be removed, around 3 cm x 8 mm both sides.
I'm waiting surgeon analysis, luckily a friend of mine is a plastic surgeon hence she will advise for the best solution. She is also involved in my same sport activity so she knows my routine and will advise regarding recovering time & when I will be back in full throttle at the gym. Being honest, my hestetic doesn't bother me that much, but I fear that it could get worse and why not reducing nipple size could be anyhow an hestetic improvement and prevention as well.

Gyno surgery, whats the costing you?

 

[Simoneme]

Gyno surgery, whats the costing you?

I will come back when I have the quote

 

[Simoneme]

Got bloods done
Last pin thursday, blood on monday!
Show me your opinion
I put also last two bloods

 

[LevButlerov]

Got bloods done
Last pin thursday, blood on monday!
Show me your opinion
I put also last two bloods

Can you post the blood work with ranges please? full bloods @Simoneme

 

[Simoneme]

Can you post the blood work with ranges please? full bloods @Simoneme

Here!

 

[LevButlerov]

Here!

17 beta estradiol they mean estrogen e2, your estrogen is VERY high @Simoneme
what are you doing with an Ai or serm now?

and you havent update training or nutrition.

 

[Simoneme]

17 beta estradiol they mean estrogen e2, your estrogen is VERY high @Simoneme
what are you doing with an Ai or serm now?

and you havent update training or nutrition.

It used to be 118, now reduced to 70.
Considering high testo level, Which is 20 time my normal levl, I assumes that having e2 double than the usual level was ok... anyhow I have arimidex but as I told you 0.25 eod caused crash, hence Im taking 0.10 eo2D almost now

 

[LevButlerov]

It used to be 118, now reduced to 70.
Considering high testo level, Which is 20 time my normal levl, I assumes that having e2 double than the usual level was ok... anyhow I have arimidex but as I told you 0.25 eod caused crash, hence Im taking 0.10 eo2D almost now

70 is good if you compare to 118 but still high. @Simoneme
You assume WRONG, if you have double estrogen you can cause organ and brain damage long term.
You need to start using more arimidex, can you get aromasin?

I have not seen any training updates or nutrition, update please.

 

[Simoneme]

70 is good if you compare to 118 but still high. @Simoneme
You assume WRONG, if you have double estrogen you can cause organ and brain damage long term.
You need to start using more arimidex, can you get aromasin?

I have not seen any training updates or nutrition, update please.

I'm increasing dosage now to 0.5 EOD, I still fear to crash down again like past week.
Unfortunately I can't post every day food log,
I'm on a caloric surplus / eating clean, my activity requires many calories since I burn a lot with cardio / endurance stuff.
Btw, now I'm + 5 kg since the beginning, weight to the roof but my joint started soring a lot.
I'm taking Omega and magnesium + multivitaminic stuff (zinc ecc). I believe that +5 kg is a lot of weight to be handled and my muscle grew more than my tendons, hence now I'm slowing back a little especially in squat movements. I don't use machines, just heavy loaded barebells / dumbells / kettlebells.
Next week I will have a check up with my fisio, last friday I managed to get some diclofenac injectable and some rest days during the weekend, let's see.
I have the gyno check up on 27th of May, maybe I will open a tread also for this if anyone is interested, I believe I can do this, let's see what the doctor says.

 

[LevButlerov]

I'm increasing dosage now to 0.5 EOD, I still fear to crash down again like past week.
Unfortunately I can't post every day food log,
I'm on a caloric surplus / eating clean, my activity requires many calories since I burn a lot with cardio / endurance stuff.
Btw, now I'm + 5 kg since the beginning, weight to the roof but my joint started soring a lot.
I'm taking Omega and magnesium + multivitaminic stuff (zinc ecc). I believe that +5 kg is a lot of weight to be handled and my muscle grew more than my tendons, hence now I'm slowing back a little especially in squat movements. I don't use machines, just heavy loaded barebells / dumbells / kettlebells.
Next week I will have a check up with my fisio, last friday I managed to get some diclofenac injectable and some rest days during the weekend, let's see.
I have the gyno check up on 27th of May, maybe I will open a tread also for this if anyone is interested, I believe I can do this, let's see what the doctor says.

Post the foods you can and macros, would be good to see what you're doing. @Simoneme

Crashing E2 is better than having spiked e2, much better.

Why dont you post a pic of your gyno now?