First cycle advice @ 20 yrs

[theboggenjoyer]

Hello everyone, I have been working out for about 4 years now and have built a decent base. i'm 6'0, 155 lbs currently. I don't really hold much fat so most of it is muscle. I have really locked in my diet and training recently and was wanting to start my first cycle.

Test-C 300-500mg a week for 16-20 weeks
150-250mg twice a week, IM injection (18ga drawing and 23 or 25ga 1" injection)
Nolvadex and enclo on hand for PCT. (12.5mg EOD of enclo and 20mg EOD of nolva)

Also thinking about running cjc during cycle to boost my GH levels.

Bloodwork has my total test at 587, E2 at 18, hematocrit 51.3 (little high due to my nicotine consumption already planning to quit)


I read through some forums and saw aromasin would be better than arimidex for an on/post cycle AI if i need to take one. I would appreciate any advice, changes, or thoughts. Would also consider adding something else to the cycle. I haven't got anything yet I am really wanting to do my research and go about this properly to mitigate side effects as much as possible and not be shut down forever.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Where did you get the needle gague info from bro? Have you listened to many podcast episodes? Like all the ones about test, test c, etc and the AI episodes? I think even at the dodgy TRT clinics in the USA they want you to freeze your sperm and shit if you're under 25. You should look into that stuff too.

 

[theboggenjoyer]

Where did you get the needle gague info from bro? Have you listened to many podcast episodes? Like all the ones about test, test c, etc and the AI episodes? I think even at the dodgy TRT clinics in the USA they want you to freeze your sperm and shit if you're under 25. You should look into that stuff too.

I havent but i definitely will check them out now. i just have been reading what i found online and it seemed like those are good gauges to start with injecting and see what I like. Are those wrong sizes? I'll definitely look into freezing sperm just in case I am permanently shut down, didn't think of being able to do that haha thank you.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Hello everyone, I have been working out for about 4 years now and have built a decent base. i'm 6'0, 155 lbs currently. I don't really hold much fat so most of it is muscle. I have really locked in my diet and training recently and was wanting to start my first cycle.

Test-C 300-500mg a week for 16-20 weeks
150-250mg twice a week, IM injection (18ga drawing and 23 or 25ga 1" injection)
Nolvadex and enclo on hand for PCT. (12.5mg EOD of enclo and 20mg EOD of nolva)

Also thinking about running cjc during cycle to boost my GH levels.

Bloodwork has my total test at 587, E2 at 18, hematocrit 51.3 (little high due to my nicotine consumption already planning to quit)


I read through some forums and saw aromasin would be better than arimidex for an on/post cycle AI if i need to take one. I would appreciate any advice, changes, or thoughts. Would also consider adding something else to the cycle. I haven't got anything yet I am really wanting to do my research and go about this properly to mitigate side effects as much as possible and not be shut down forever.

You are very young bro and have huge natty potential to still gain but if your gonna for it, its your body at the end of the day.

Only suggestions ill make is cut your cycle back shorter to 12 week, 16 max. 20 weeks can will make recover harder and at your age you want to give yourself the best chance to bounce back. Definitely have an ai on hand i favour aromasin anyday over arimidex but bith will work.

Lastly your fucking with your health at such a young age little brother so if you do decide to go ahead with this start a log and throw up all your training and nutrition day to day any changes you make or anything you start to experience on cycle. Be as honest as you can so you can get accurate advice and help through your journey.
Show up to the grind each day, keep nutrition tight and train like a beast otherwise your risking health for nothing..

Lets see what a few days of eating looks like first so we can get that dialled in then your training.

@LevButlerov

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

You are very young bro and have huge natty potential to still gain but if your gonna for it, its your body at the end of the day.

Only suggestions ill make is cut your cycle back shorter to 12 week, 16 max. 20 weeks can will make recover harder and at your age you want to give yourself the best chance to bounce back. Definitely have an ai on hand i favour aromasin anyday over arimidex but bith will work.

Lastly your fucking with your health at such a young age little brother so if you do decide to go ahead with this start a log and throw up all your training and nutrition day to day any changes you make or anything you start to experience on cycle. Be as honest as you can so you can get accurate advice and help through your journey.
Show up to the grind each day, keep nutrition tight and train like a beast otherwise your risking health for nothing..

Lets see what a few days of eating looks like first so we can get that dialled in then your training.

@LevButlerov

Definitely agree with all this and that starting a log is the best way forward for him either way

@LevButlerov will be able to help you start your log bro

 

[theboggenjoyer]

You are very young bro and have huge natty potential to still gain but if your gonna for it, its your body at the end of the day.

Only suggestions ill make is cut your cycle back shorter to 12 week, 16 max. 20 weeks can will make recover harder and at your age you want to give yourself the best chance to bounce back. Definitely have an ai on hand i favour aromasin anyday over arimidex but bith will work.

Lastly your fucking with your health at such a young age little brother so if you do decide to go ahead with this start a log and throw up all your training and nutrition day to day any changes you make or anything you start to experience on cycle. Be as honest as you can so you can get accurate advice and help through your journey.
Show up to the grind each day, keep nutrition tight and train like a beast otherwise your risking health for nothing..

Lets see what a few days of eating looks like first so we can get that dialled in then your training.

@LevButlerov

Thank you very much for the advice, i'm still on the edge about it and have definitely thought of peptides and sarms as an alternative but i feel like those could be just as bad as a test only cycle but with less gains, could be wrong though. I'll look into starting a log for sure.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Definitely agree with all this and that starting a log is the best way forward for him either way

@LevButlerov will be able to help you start your log bro

For sure brother

 

[Allupfromhere]

Thank you very much for the advice, i'm still on the edge about it and have definitely thought of peptides and sarms as an alternative but i feel like those could be just as bad as a test only cycle but with less gains, could be wrong though. I'll look into starting a log for sure.

My opinion, fuck the sarms lol some of those will suppress your hpta anyway with fuck all gains. Your better off on test, our bodies already create it.
Keep in mind young brother that gear doesnt build the muscle for your it jist enhances bodies environment to be able to better build the muscle. Nutrition is your foundation and training is your stimulus. These come first.
You can train the house down but without the right Nutrition you wont grow. Same as you can eat a healthy as you want amd your body will function well and have longevity but no training and your not stacking muscle on the rig. Gear comes last.

Wishing you all the best for your journey bro, excited to follow your log when you get it going

 

[s.gentz]

Hello everyone, I have been working out for about 4 years now and have built a decent base. i'm 6'0, 155 lbs currently. I don't really hold much fat so most of it is muscle. I have really locked in my diet and training recently and was wanting to start my first cycle.

Test-C 300-500mg a week for 16-20 weeks
150-250mg twice a week, IM injection (18ga drawing and 23 or 25ga 1" injection)
Nolvadex and enclo on hand for PCT. (12.5mg EOD of enclo and 20mg EOD of nolva)

Also thinking about running cjc during cycle to boost my GH levels.

Bloodwork has my total test at 587, E2 at 18, hematocrit 51.3 (little high due to my nicotine consumption already planning to quit)


I read through some forums and saw aromasin would be better than arimidex for an on/post cycle AI if i need to take one. I would appreciate any advice, changes, or thoughts. Would also consider adding something else to the cycle. I haven't got anything yet I am really wanting to do my research and go about this properly to mitigate side effects as much as possible and not be shut down forever.

Your body/brain have not fully developed yet. Messing with your hormones at your age is not a good idea. Looking at your stats you are undersized and have not yet built a solid base.
Keep training hard and eating for another 5-6 years and then consider gear.

 

[Pigsy]

Last thing I would touch is Sarms

 

[LevButlerov]

Hello everyone, I have been working out for about 4 years now and have built a decent base. i'm 6'0, 155 lbs currently. I don't really hold much fat so most of it is muscle. I have really locked in my diet and training recently and was wanting to start my first cycle.

Test-C 300-500mg a week for 16-20 weeks
150-250mg twice a week, IM injection (18ga drawing and 23 or 25ga 1" injection)
Nolvadex and enclo on hand for PCT. (12.5mg EOD of enclo and 20mg EOD of nolva)

Also thinking about running cjc during cycle to boost my GH levels.

Bloodwork has my total test at 587, E2 at 18, hematocrit 51.3 (little high due to my nicotine consumption already planning to quit)


I read through some forums and saw aromasin would be better than arimidex for an on/post cycle AI if i need to take one. I would appreciate any advice, changes, or thoughts. Would also consider adding something else to the cycle. I haven't got anything yet I am really wanting to do my research and go about this properly to mitigate side effects as much as possible and not be shut down forever.

I havent but i definitely will check them out now. i just have been reading what i found online and it seemed like those are good gauges to start with injecting and see what I like. Are those wrong sizes? I'll definitely look into freezing sperm just in case I am permanently shut down, didn't think of being able to do that haha thank you.

welcome to the EVO family @theboggenjoyer
At 6'0 and 155 lbs you’re not ready for 300-500 mg test yet, focus on adding weight naturally first. Get to around 180-185 lbs through food and training, then a low 300 mg test only run for 12 weeks could be a possibility but we should start with a pre-cycle log to dial you in.

Start a pre-cycle log here with your current macros, training split, and bloodwork numbers. That’ll let us help you dial in your diet and plan the right cycle timing.

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

• Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
• Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
• The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
• Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

• Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
• It will take 15-20 minutes max.
• We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
• Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Pre-cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com

 

[rizzlekdizzle]

Bro to be 20 yrs old, 6 foot and only 70kg you have a problem that can be solved with heavy lifting and eating, not with steroids.

 

[stevesmi]

You need to get a law going. You're only 20 years old. You don't want to screw up your hormones at this age.

 

[Mobster]

Hello everyone, I have been working out for about 4 years now and have built a decent base. i'm 6'0, 155 lbs currently. I don't really hold much fat so most of it is muscle. I have really locked in my diet and training recently and was wanting to start my first cycle.

Test-C 300-500mg a week for 16-20 weeks
150-250mg twice a week, IM injection (18ga drawing and 23 or 25ga 1" injection)
Nolvadex and enclo on hand for PCT. (12.5mg EOD of enclo and 20mg EOD of nolva)

Also thinking about running cjc during cycle to boost my GH levels.

Bloodwork has my total test at 587, E2 at 18, hematocrit 51.3 (little high due to my nicotine consumption already planning to quit)


I read through some forums and saw aromasin would be better than arimidex for an on/post cycle AI if i need to take one. I would appreciate any advice, changes, or thoughts. Would also consider adding something else to the cycle. I haven't got anything yet I am really wanting to do my research and go about this properly to mitigate side effects as much as possible and not be shut down forever.

No, no and no.

155lbs at 6'0 is NOT a decent base - even if it was ALL muscle

20 is too young for PEDS

While you wait start by reading our ebooks: https://irongorillas.com/

 

[2Thick]

I havent but i definitely will check them out now. i just have been reading what i found online and it seemed like those are good gauges to start with injecting and see what I like. Are those wrong sizes? I'll definitely look into freezing sperm just in case I am permanently shut down, didn't think of being able to do that haha thank you.

you will do good on 25G and 1 inch needles

 

[Ulter]

No, no and no.

155lbs at 6'0 is NOT a decent base - even if it was ALL muscle

20 is too young for PEDS

While you wait start by reading our ebooks: https://irongorillas.com/

you and I don't agree on much @Mobster. i know you are intimidated by my alpha masculinity. however on this one you are 100% CORRECT

 

[Madmax46]

Bro you’re 20 don’t fuck with your hormones. Wait like 5 years minimum.

 

[NaturalChrisA]

Sounds like you've put in the work to get here! Good luck with your first cycle, hope you see the gains you're after.

 

[ceo]

Bros 20 years old. Big risk for using steroids. You should wait a couple years.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Hello everyone, I have been working out for about 4 years now and have built a decent base. i'm 6'0, 155 lbs currently. I don't really hold much fat so most of it is muscle. I have really locked in my diet and training recently and was wanting to start my first cycle.

Test-C 300-500mg a week for 16-20 weeks
150-250mg twice a week, IM injection (18ga drawing and 23 or 25ga 1" injection)
Nolvadex and enclo on hand for PCT. (12.5mg EOD of enclo and 20mg EOD of nolva)

Also thinking about running cjc during cycle to boost my GH levels.

Bloodwork has my total test at 587, E2 at 18, hematocrit 51.3 (little high due to my nicotine consumption already planning to quit)


I read through some forums and saw aromasin would be better than arimidex for an on/post cycle AI if i need to take one. I would appreciate any advice, changes, or thoughts. Would also consider adding something else to the cycle. I haven't got anything yet I am really wanting to do my research and go about this properly to mitigate side effects as much as possible and not be shut down forever.

That's great that you've been working hard the past few years, but you just don't have the base yet to be using steroids. I think you should build a stronger base first then go from there. Put up a Log and let's see what you're doing.

 

[Mobster]

you and I don't agree on much @Mobster. i know you are intimidated by my alpha masculinity. however on this one you are 100% CORRECT

I was 175lbs aged 18 at 6'3. Skinny to my mind. 155lbs aint f'all

 

[kcates]

I feel like lately there has been a run of young dudes wanting to jump on gear and fuck things up! Is it the time of year of is there something in the prework out going around? i want to answer your gauge questions but at the same time I dont want to encourage. You have gotten a lot of good advice on here but please wait. Learn to eat like a mass monster, make sure your sleeping like 8-10 hours a day, learn your body and become an expert in the gym. Your hormones are at there prime right now. Max those out and then when you get older you have hit your natty potential then decide if steroids are for you then. You will get more out of them then. If you start now you could actually not reach your best potential because you jumped on them to early. Then when it comes to fetility and life i just posted this and will just add it here

You guys explain it well about fertility on the podcast. I hope I can do as good of job in the post. Please fill in if I miss something. To the 17 year old. You are going to shut yourself down. It's possible you can mess yourself up forever by running cycles where u could not ever again have kids. Not saying it's 100% that it will happen but it could. That is a risk you take. I was your age once and I said I didn't want kids. Then as I got a little older, in my 20's, I said I didn't want kids until I was at least 30. I had my first child at 30. The point I am going with is we have opinions and they change. One day you may find that women who changes your life who u want to spend the rest of your life with. She is going to want to have kids. You are going to then want to have kids with her. But you been blasting and cruising. Now u possible can't have kids. You go to the doctors and they tell u both, you fucked yourself abusing steroids and probably won't ever have kids. She is going to be devastated and this could become a thorn in your relationship to the point it ends. Trust me when they want a baby they will bug the shit out of you until it happens one way or another. My first son was not planned but my second son was. When she was ready to have another she would beg me and try and make deals anything to get what she wanted. Obviously she got what she wanted. My last point on this, even though I thought I didn't want kids at your age. They have been the best blessings in my life. I love them so much and I would kill or die for them. I would never have changed having them or wanting them. I love them more then anything including if I knew what I knew now risking the chance of possibly not having them because I want to blast and cruise to early in life. I don't go to the gym to better myself and grow and look great because of steroids it's because I love the gym and the rest of the lifestyle. I Hope and pray you will continue to love the gym and the healthy lifestyle. Save the gear for later when it will be better option for you. Sorry this was long winded but I am passionate about helping the youth and sharing about this.

Stay clean and save it. Plus you don't want to have to deal with blood work all the time. Then fixing shit after blood work gets out of whack because blood levels are low or high. Having to go donate blood every chance you get if you get high red blood and hematocrit(your hematocrit is already up there), taking all kinds of extra supplements and medications to keep shit in check for you liver and kidneys. Then dealing with High and crashed estrogen. Then if you are prone to gyno dealing with that. Unless your ready to be all in and spend the money and time on all the other things If you are going to do the things the right way wait until you can. Buying the steroids is the easy cheap part. Just the N2gaurd you should be taking for a month is a 100 dollars. That supplement alone cost more then the testosterone for the month as long as your not over a gram a week. Become a protein king where you consume like 400 grams a day, sleep 8-10 hours a day, and train your ass off for 6 months and I bet you will grow like a beast and still be natty. Start a log and show us that. I challenge you to do this and lets see what happens. We dont know what you been doing for 4 years. What have you been eating, what is your training like. This may all be off for someone like you and just some tweaks and improvements you start growing.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Hello everyone, I have been working out for about 4 years now and have built a decent base. i'm 6'0, 155 lbs currently. I don't really hold much fat so most of it is muscle. I have really locked in my diet and training recently and was wanting to start my first cycle.

Test-C 300-500mg a week for 16-20 weeks
150-250mg twice a week, IM injection (18ga drawing and 23 or 25ga 1" injection)
Nolvadex and enclo on hand for PCT. (12.5mg EOD of enclo and 20mg EOD of nolva)

Also thinking about running cjc during cycle to boost my GH levels.

Bloodwork has my total test at 587, E2 at 18, hematocrit 51.3 (little high due to my nicotine consumption already planning to quit)


I read through some forums and saw aromasin would be better than arimidex for an on/post cycle AI if i need to take one. I would appreciate any advice, changes, or thoughts. Would also consider adding something else to the cycle. I haven't got anything yet I am really wanting to do my research and go about this properly to mitigate side effects as much as possible and not be shut down forever.

Welcome to EVO brother! It looks like you have what it takes to put enough effort and detail into a log for us. We do logs here and it lets us guide you and keep track of your daily and weekly progress and you get daily or weekly advice, coaching and encouragement as well as adjustments from experienced veterans.

I haven't read yet what the others have said but here's my two cents: These are all things I feel compelled to say right off the bat... First of all, you're way too young to need to bother with steroids. You're already naturally on steroids right now with your total T at 587 and can use that to get your weight up easily to 175+ lbs. I also feel compelled to say that now that you have "really locked in" your "diet and training recently" that doesn't then correlate to now being the time to use steroids at what I glanced at your age being in the 20's (scrolling quickly above to reread your original post). Now that you've locked in your diet and training now is the perfect time then to "lock in" your calories, macros lifts, and look to gain weight first and not the perfect time to start steroids.

I always say this especially to young guys... This is the order in which you should be concentrating on your bodybuilding journey to look and feel like what you want:

1. PCT (have you researched at all what to do when you come off?)
2. Diet
3. Training
4. Steroids

Almost all young guys, or older men who just joined a gym all want to go from #4 to #1 which is backwards.

Having said ALL that and IF you're going to use steroids anyway it doesn't mean you're not welcome here at and welcome to EVO by the way brother! What it means is, let's get your PCT knowledge in check first and THEN... let's take a look at your diet and training (see #1-#4 above) via a log you start and we'll see if it's really locked in. Lift and eat yourself up above 170-175+ pounds naturally. ONLY THEN and once that's been in check for long enough should we discuss a cycle.

The dessert you've been waiting to hear about: After all is said and done if you don't want to take any advice and are going to run a cycle and have PCT, Diet, Training, and AI knowledge in check and on hand for what will be your elevated estrogen then 250mg of Sustanon for 8-10 weeks will be a reasonable first cycle for you.

Either way you should post a log here to get the attention and feedback you need to become the best you which I applaud you for.



HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?
Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:
Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
It will take 15-20 minutes max.
We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

Here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

Hello everyone, I have been working out for about 4 years now and have built a decent base. i'm 6'0, 155 lbs currently. I don't really hold much fat so most of it is muscle. I have really locked in my diet and training recently and was wanting to start my first cycle.

Test-C 300-500mg a week for 16-20 weeks
150-250mg twice a week, IM injection (18ga drawing and 23 or 25ga 1" injection)
Nolvadex and enclo on hand for PCT. (12.5mg EOD of enclo and 20mg EOD of nolva)

Also thinking about running cjc during cycle to boost my GH levels.

Bloodwork has my total test at 587, E2 at 18, hematocrit 51.3 (little high due to my nicotine consumption already planning to quit)


I read through some forums and saw aromasin would be better than arimidex for an on/post cycle AI if i need to take one. I would appreciate any advice, changes, or thoughts. Would also consider adding something else to the cycle. I haven't got anything yet I am really wanting to do my research and go about this properly to mitigate side effects as much as possible and not be shut down forever.

@theboggenjoyer Welcome to Evo....consider starting a log so we can help plan mild cycle according to your goals......

 

[ballin2504]

I don’t recommend steroids at your age. At your weight it seems you need to be eating a lot more

 

[HarleyGuy]

@theboggenjoyer You still with us bro?

 

[Mobster]

@theboggenjoyer You still with us bro?

Even if not hopefully some words here will be making an impact on a few other younger potential readers

There are those here who say 'well it's your body so...'. And yes that's true. We cannot literally reach through the screen and shake them. Ulimately they can do what they like. And it can seem off when they can vote, fuck and die in a war.

Yet it's also on us as a community to help those by saying 'No!' or 'Don't'. We have that responsibility too. And explaining why as many here HAVE done.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Even if not hopefully some words here will be making an impact on a few other younger potential readers

There are those here who say 'well it's your body so...'. And yes that's true. We cannot literally reach through the screen and shake them. Ulimately they can do what they like. And it can seem off when they can vote, fuck and die in a war.

Yet it's also on us as a community to help those by saying 'No!' or 'Don't'. We have that responsibility too. And explaining why as many here HAVE done.

Very well said and articulated. Many come on here answer shopping and leave, but that doesn't mean the knowledge doesn't get posted for others to consider themselves as well. Very good post!

 

[Mobster]

Very well said and articulated. Many come on here answer shopping and leave, but that doesn't mean the knowledge doesn't get posted for others to consider themselves as well. Very good post!

There's a couple who, if in part, 'kinda' help in that they'd rather (if the new member WILL go ahead) at least have them get the advice from here vs say some f**k nut on Reddit. I 'kinda' agree. But I'd ALWAYS preface that with a 'nope' first.

 

[HarleyGuy]

There's a couple who, if in part, 'kinda' help in that they'd rather (if the new member WILL go ahead) at least have them get the advice from here vs say some f**k nut on Reddit. I 'kinda' agree. But I'd ALWAYS preface that with a 'nope' first.

Agreed. If you see my replies to young guys on here and first-time poster it's always to tell them to wait and to get their PCT, Diet, Training in order and THEN steroids. and all in that order. I tell them most every newbie or young guy does it in the opposite order which is the wrong way to go about it. They ought to want the best advice not just the answer they're hoping for.

Nonetheless if they insist then I give my best advice on an 8-week cycle with Test only and highly encourage them to stick around and log it for us. The odd one does in fact do that but most just carry on and answer shop somewhere else.

The lack of awareness of PCT and it's importance is concerning because it's not something discussed much on the social platforms at all.