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@3xCharm yes these glp'1s' do help with addiction noise. they do a lot of little things that people do not realize. It's also good for the brain since it's anti-inflammatory and it's excellent for your liver as it will burn off liver fat.Day 6 on Reta;
Zero complaints, Noticeable decrease in hunger, do feel a little 'different' in a slightly negative way but cant put my finger on it and its tolerable
Cant tell if theres any added bonuses for the addiction side of things but I certainly dont feel like drinking, see what happens if i see something that would normally trigger me.
Good product thus far @ZenithHealth
Here are some photos as well, I have started doing 1 armed lateral pull down (if thats a thing?) which I think is starting to work?
Thanks everyone!!
The updated progress photos are awesome brother! Massive changes from where you started!! Love the training work ethic, but the sleep is important for the physical and mental recovery. Keep up the good fight brother! 
Bros, not bad on this. I'm glad that you got zero complaints and you're still on top of things. Definitely hopefully you get the better addiction benefits from it. I hear that it gives it good. @3xCharmDay 6 on Reta;
Zero complaints, Noticeable decrease in hunger, do feel a little 'different' in a slightly negative way but cant put my finger on it and its tolerable
Cant tell if theres any added bonuses for the addiction side of things but I certainly dont feel like drinking, see what happens if i see something that would normally trigger me.
Good product thus far @ZenithHealth
Here are some photos as well, I have started doing 1 armed lateral pull down (if thats a thing?) which I think is starting to work?
Thanks everyone
You should start feeling the effects of it coming on really strong by week 2 and week 3. @3xCharm just watch out for things like constipation and nausea. Keep your meals small.Day 6 on Reta;
Zero complaints, Noticeable decrease in hunger, do feel a little 'different' in a slightly negative way but cant put my finger on it and its tolerable
Cant tell if theres any added bonuses for the addiction side of things but I certainly dont feel like drinking, see what happens if i see something that would normally trigger me.
Good product thus far @ZenithHealth
Here are some photos as well, I have started doing 1 armed lateral pull down (if thats a thing?) which I think is starting to work?
Thanks everyone
If you were sick at the time it would also explain your HSCRP. LDL needs attention brother, can you please link me to your full nutritional breakdown? Are you currently doing any cardio?Hey EVO Fam!
The results are here, I did consult ChatGPT and me and robot discussed that FOR ME my test was quite high (once again FOR ME) considering in the past when I am not using PEDs my test normally comes up 0.5nmol, I took 1000mg the day before I left for PH and the robot said id likely still have residuals in my system and then it told me my natural production is shut down at the moment.
My liver seems to be healing and the Cholesterol seems high but my white blood cell count is up because I still had a sore throat and low energy when I took the test so it couldve thrown the samples off
Anyway that was my Layman analysis with AI, let me know your thoughts
You might also like to add into your supps line up the following:
Citrus Bergamot
Plant Sterols
Red Yeast Rice
@3xCharm fantastic job, Boss. I'm glad to see most importantly that you are continuing your jersey and you don't feel like you don't need to have a drink. That's what we like to see. Make sure you keep a close knit of friends and family who encourage you and don't discourage you.Day 6 on Reta;
Zero complaints, Noticeable decrease in hunger, do feel a little 'different' in a slightly negative way but cant put my finger on it and its tolerable
Cant tell if theres any added bonuses for the addiction side of things but I certainly dont feel like drinking, see what happens if i see something that would normally trigger me.
Good product thus far @ZenithHealth
Here are some photos as well, I have started doing 1 armed lateral pull down (if thats a thing?) which I think is starting to work?
Thanks everyone
Yeah I havnt experienced anything yet bar a little bit of an off feeling yesterday but nothing today
Seems like you know your body really well, man. I'm curious to see how you get on with the retreated trutide as things go on. Usually, the magic starts happening that first month or two. It does take a while for it to really build up in your system. @3xCharmDay 6 on Reta;
Zero complaints, Noticeable decrease in hunger, do feel a little 'different' in a slightly negative way but cant put my finger on it and its tolerable
Cant tell if theres any added bonuses for the addiction side of things but I certainly dont feel like drinking, see what happens if i see something that would normally trigger me.
Good product thus far @ZenithHealth
Here are some photos as well, I have started doing 1 armed lateral pull down (if thats a thing?) which I think is starting to work?
Thanks everyone
Hey EVO Fam,
Time to put some more dirty laundry on the table, I didn't want to fess up to this because I know what the answer will be and to be honest I don't think I will change my behavior...
When I get to the PED stage (I have to reach 85kg first) I was going to detail what I am doing at the gym and my diet but for context to my (minor) illness at the moment; I am clearly running my self ragged and I am compelled to keep doing it, The only thing I ate yesterday was Crackers with cheese and Salami (8 crackers, 8 Cheese, 8 Salami) and 3-4 Pickled Onions. The only thing I drank yesterday was 473ml Redbull then another 473ml Redbull then 2-3 cans of Pepsi Max, another 355ml Red bull before boxing and Milk and Fruit Juice when I at the Crackers at 2330 last night.
I attended the gym at 0500 yesterday, then went again at 1200 then went to a meeting (The rehab has a Wednesday night gathering every week to do check in) and straight after that 1.5hrs of Muay Thai.
Heres the honest part;
Morning 1 (3 Sets and 8-10 reps or if stated other until failure)
Leg Press
Machine Bicep Curl
Machine Tricep Pushdown
Calf Raises (Until Fail)
Left Lateral Pulldown
Machine Bicep Curl
Machine Tricep Pushdown
Incline Sit up (Until Fail)
Back Extension (Unit Fail)
Afternoon 1 (3 Sets and 8-10 reps or if stated other until failure)
Bench Press (Smith Machine)
Bicep Curl
Tricep Push down
Incline Dumbell Bench Press
Machine Bicep Curl
Machine Tricep Pushdown
Pec Deck
Next day is the same as the previous day's morning but I swap out Seated Leg Press to Leg Curl
Afternoon 2 (3 Sets and 8-10 reps or if stated other until failure)
Lateral Pull Down
Bicep Curl
Tricep Push down
Seated Row
Machine Bicep Curl
Machine Tricep Pushdown
Ben Over Row
Next day is the same as the previous day's morning but I swap out Leg Curl to Seated Leg Press
Afternoon 3 - 3 Sets and 8-10 reps or if stated other until failure
Dumbell Shoulder Press
Bicep Curl
Tricep Push down
Machine Bicep Curl
Machine Tricep Pushdown
Barbell Upright Row
So thats 3 days and then repeat another 3 days, have Sunday off, now I know straight away people are going to look at me like Im retarded but I do Tris and Biceps so much for 2 reasons, 1) My arms in my eyes are tiny and 2) I hate working out these muscles so I split it all up over 3-6 days and the same goes for legs, I hate working this group as well, So my logic is to chip away at it.
So after that long as introduction and I have come to the conlusion with ChatGPTs help that the reason I am still sick is that I am over doing it!
My average day is twice to the gym, work 10 hours then go to Boxing at night but then you add the sleep (or lack there of) I feel asleep last night at 0330 and then slept through my alarm and was late to work so no morning gym session.
I had a sore throat last Wednesday, got worse Thursday and zapped of my energy, felt better Saturday Morning and then kept doing all the things I am doing but then felt ill again by Monday, came good again now today I am sick again.
My sleep is probably fucked from consuming all the Red Bull and Pepsi (and its always been fucked but now its more fucked)
I have decided to do nothing until Monday even though my compulsion is fighting me to do otherwise... Critique away.....
Apologies if this sounds a bit incoherent, my brain is firing on all cylinders.
Much love of course!
Time to put some more dirty laundry on the table, I didn't want to fess up to this because I know what the answer will be and to be honest I don't think I will change my behavior...
When I get to the PED stage (I have to reach 85kg first) I was going to detail what I am doing at the gym and my diet but for context to my (minor) illness at the moment; I am clearly running my self ragged and I am compelled to keep doing it, The only thing I ate yesterday was Crackers with cheese and Salami (8 crackers, 8 Cheese, 8 Salami) and 3-4 Pickled Onions. The only thing I drank yesterday was 473ml Redbull then another 473ml Redbull then 2-3 cans of Pepsi Max, another 355ml Red bull before boxing and Milk and Fruit Juice when I at the Crackers at 2330 last night.
I attended the gym at 0500 yesterday, then went again at 1200 then went to a meeting (The rehab has a Wednesday night gathering every week to do check in) and straight after that 1.5hrs of Muay Thai.
Heres the honest part;
Morning 1 (3 Sets and 8-10 reps or if stated other until failure)
Leg Press
Machine Bicep Curl
Machine Tricep Pushdown
Calf Raises (Until Fail)
Left Lateral Pulldown
Machine Bicep Curl
Machine Tricep Pushdown
Incline Sit up (Until Fail)
Back Extension (Unit Fail)
Afternoon 1 (3 Sets and 8-10 reps or if stated other until failure)
Bench Press (Smith Machine)
Bicep Curl
Tricep Push down
Incline Dumbell Bench Press
Machine Bicep Curl
Machine Tricep Pushdown
Pec Deck
Next day is the same as the previous day's morning but I swap out Seated Leg Press to Leg Curl
Afternoon 2 (3 Sets and 8-10 reps or if stated other until failure)
Lateral Pull Down
Bicep Curl
Tricep Push down
Seated Row
Machine Bicep Curl
Machine Tricep Pushdown
Ben Over Row
Next day is the same as the previous day's morning but I swap out Leg Curl to Seated Leg Press
Afternoon 3 - 3 Sets and 8-10 reps or if stated other until failure
Dumbell Shoulder Press
Bicep Curl
Tricep Push down
Machine Bicep Curl
Machine Tricep Pushdown
Barbell Upright Row
So thats 3 days and then repeat another 3 days, have Sunday off, now I know straight away people are going to look at me like Im retarded but I do Tris and Biceps so much for 2 reasons, 1) My arms in my eyes are tiny and 2) I hate working out these muscles so I split it all up over 3-6 days and the same goes for legs, I hate working this group as well, So my logic is to chip away at it.
So after that long as introduction and I have come to the conlusion with ChatGPTs help that the reason I am still sick is that I am over doing it!
My average day is twice to the gym, work 10 hours then go to Boxing at night but then you add the sleep (or lack there of) I feel asleep last night at 0330 and then slept through my alarm and was late to work so no morning gym session.
I had a sore throat last Wednesday, got worse Thursday and zapped of my energy, felt better Saturday Morning and then kept doing all the things I am doing but then felt ill again by Monday, came good again now today I am sick again.
My sleep is probably fucked from consuming all the Red Bull and Pepsi (and its always been fucked but now its more fucked)
I have decided to do nothing until Monday even though my compulsion is fighting me to do otherwise... Critique away.....
Apologies if this sounds a bit incoherent, my brain is firing on all cylinders.
Much love of course!
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Its great you are going hard at the gym, but yeah the last thing you want to do is burn yourself out mate, definitely listen to your body!
okay we definitely want to hear more though. Keep us updated.
Love the honesty brother, which you always give us anyway. My view is 1. You are definitely doing way too much and so you are simply not recovering. 2. Your diet is not supporting anywhere near the amount of things you are doing and 3. If you overtrain arms they will simply not grow from a hypertrophy perspective. They already do work with almost all push/ pull movements anyway.
You are doing great, and I know you want to remain busy, but you cannot keep up this pace without it being detrimental to your overall health. Evo Love brother
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@3xCharm some days the diet is off some its ok, you have to just think long term and try to adjust backi do like you're training hard but you need to cut down on the boxing a bit and sleep more or you'll have a mess on cortisol and inflammation
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Haha to his defence I made him post these after sending them to me via text LOL. I like both looks on you big boy, sexy beast in both pics!Here ya go since I know how much you want to wank to my fat tits and spooge on my big belly
As I said to you, my poor wife use to have that on top of her..... GROTESQUE!
Bent over one arm dumbbell rows bro.
2 more to go bro!
Great honesty. Your whole diet/training/PED plan program is a mess right now but you're sober and that's what matters.
Text me about this and let's straighten this out. You have mild ODD (Oppositional Defiance Disorder) like all us addicts do and you need to be told again what (not) to do. Text me ASAP and you didn't message me today either.
A lot of this you should cut and paste into your recovery journal too. You're in early recovery and you're still doing your own thinking for yourself and we know where that gets us so text me and remember the second half of Step1 as well as Step 3 y'Aussie wanker
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@3xCharm your podcast episode was really interesting - I feel like you got at least another 2 hours info to give! Luckily I have not suffered from addiction but its interesting to hear about someone getting through to the other side. And aweseom to hear the support you are getting especially from @HarleyGuy
Definitelty cut it back mate if your finding yourself run down, I am guilty of going hard and pushing myself to the limit too, but growth doesnt occur in that state - rest and recovery is equally important
Thanks so much mate, yeah I get a bit carried away
I think you're sexy brother don't you worryYeah she hasnt called me sexy in 10 years, I get told that a fair bit nowand when she hugs me she comments on how slim I am almost everytime
Good journey so far your light then me by 10kg amazing work
As addicts we don't 'do' things we 'overdo' them. This is why the problem isn't alcohol the problem is ourselves and you've overdone it now to the point of feeling run down and sick.Thanks so much mate, yeah I get a bit carried away
Please check your recovery log I've linked the post you should add to it there, just cut and paste as a recovery update. And the brain fog is PAWS syndrome in early recovery as we've discussed privately.
This is below is a big early recovery behaviour update for your recovery log:
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Haha I know the feeling brother!This is the story of my life lol
Hey EVO Fam!
Day 8; Only complaint (which might not be good for me) is I feel I am eating too much but I could just be in hurry to reach 85kg because once I hit it, I can start my Diet and PEDs, on the addiction front I cant tell if its doing anything? I guess I am not having much trouble in that department but as I mentioned to @HarleyGuy earlier today; the no gym and no boxing to try and get over this illness for the last 2 days was starting to get to me, I was getting anxious and annoyed.
Things are good and I believe I will wake up tomorrow being under 87kg
Thanks for all the support, thanks to @ZenithHealth for helping me on this journey!!
Day 8; Only complaint (which might not be good for me) is I feel I am eating too much but I could just be in hurry to reach 85kg because once I hit it, I can start my Diet and PEDs, on the addiction front I cant tell if its doing anything? I guess I am not having much trouble in that department but as I mentioned to @HarleyGuy earlier today; the no gym and no boxing to try and get over this illness for the last 2 days was starting to get to me, I was getting anxious and annoyed.
Things are good and I believe I will wake up tomorrow being under 87kg
Thanks for all the support, thanks to @ZenithHealth for helping me on this journey!!
Apologies boss, I mustve missed your request, please elaborate on my LDL please
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What are you eating? do you have some macros or food app to share? @3xCharm i hope all clean
@3xCharm keep it up man. There is no reason why you ever have to go anywhere near that shit. I haven't touched it in at least twenty years so you're going to do the same.
Bros, just listen to your podcast again. Listened to it twice and I sent it to my cousin. He got issues as well. @3xCharm
The fact that you're eating more is definitely a good sign. @3xCharm that means that your body is getting healthier and your appetites are coming back.
LDL is low density lipids and looking at a complete lipids profile an elevated LDL is typically associated with higher risk to cardiac health than HDL. Though there's more to it than this of course.
I was asking for a breakdown on your nutrition to see if I could fix anything up to help!
Hopefully he gets something out of it dude, tell him to get to a meeting (of his poison of choice) They have Narcotics Anonymous, Alcoholics Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous, Over Eating, Sex etc and the best piece of advice to him is to 'Look for the similarities and not the differences'
Attn: @HarleyGuy
When I was in Rehab I was eating correctly before that obviously I was drinking like a fish but was eating fairly well but since I have got out I dont eat as much and when I do its something easy which unfortunately it has been a lot of junk food and when I was in the Phillipines it was a lot of junkfood and I have also developed a bit of a sweet tooth since getting sober.LDL is low density lipids and looking at a complete lipids profile an elevated LDL is typically associated with higher risk to cardiac health than HDL. Though there's more to it than this of course.
I was asking for a breakdown on your nutrition to see if I could fix anything up to help!
I have a diet I am piecing together for mass that I am going to reveal shortly, obviously the drinking didnt help either, anything I should be real concerned about?
Broooo massive changes well fucking done brotherHere ya go since I know how much you want to wank to my fat tits and spooge on my big belly
As I said to you, my poor wife use to have that on top of her..... GROTESQUE!
Very wise wordsLove the honesty brother, which you always give us anyway. My view is 1. You are definitely doing way too much and so you are simply not recovering. 2. Your diet is not supporting anywhere near the amount of things you are doing and 3. If you overtrain arms they will simply not grow from a hypertrophy perspective. They already do work with almost all push/ pull movements anyway.
You are doing great, and I know you want to remain busy, but you cannot keep up this pace without it being detrimental to your overall health. Evo Love brother
Dont become a slave to the scales brother. They the day to day shifts can be quite hostile especially when nutrition isnt properly structured.
Yeah I guess its a choice between the lesser of two evils... although with Retatrutide if your dose is high enough it will solve that sweet tooth problem pretty easily, I guess the question is will the addiction migrate to another part of your life? I guess all we can do is wait and see.
But thats a small issue, you're doing amazing so far my bro, keep it up!
Agreed 1000%, you will always have swings on the scales. As long as the overall trend is going the way you want there is no cause for concern.Broooo massive changes well fucking done brother
Very wise words
Dont become a slave to the scales brother. They the day to day shifts can be quite hostile especially when nutrition isnt properly structured.
@3xCharm great update my man. It's good to see you doing so well. We have all the confidence in you and we believe in you.
I also listened to your podcast. You did a fantastic job on there. You are definitely a cool dude. You seem very social. @3xCharm
It's always frustrating when we're ill but I always tell myself it's a blip
Would you believe I struggle socially and pretty much have no desire to have friends (to which I have none) Like I have posted previously, I got carried away a bit in the podcast
I am taking almost 15 units and if you can remember it was a 20mg vial and I put 3.5ml of BAC in it, do you mind doing the math and if I should up the dose, sorry to be a pain
Yeah I wont be after I hit my goal of 85kg, from there Im going into Hindenblimp modeBroooo massive changes well fucking done brother
Very wise words
Dont become a slave to the scales brother. They the day to day shifts can be quite hostile especially when nutrition isnt properly structured.
Have changed to this
350 units = 20mg
15 units = 0.85mg
So if you are doing 15 units a day thats 6mg a week, quite a high dose, you probably do have a high tolerance because of all the Sema, hows your hunger levels?
Im thinking maybe keep it as this level for another week, I think perhaps your body may not have reached full saturation yet.
Lunch 2.5 Spicy Cooked Tuna Rolls
Dinner 1 quarter of a Salami, thin cheese and rice crackers + 2-3 Pickled Onions, not needing anything else
Great advice @3xCharm
Ultimately @ceo you can mention it but he'll have to go on his accord as @3xCharm suggested you can mention he go but it may not do much. Sending him the podcast was a nice soft way of showing you care without doing what addicts hate and that's being told "you have a problem you should quit the ' (insert their drug of choice here)' "
Thanks for this @ZenithHealth ... respect bro!
Because you've texted me your plans on diet I know you will you animal.Anybody wanna take bets on me reaching 85kg by next Sunday
Nice posing pics, not bad for a wombat!
This is arguably the NUMBER ONE symptom of PAWS in early recovery. I succumbed to this and gained 80lbs in early recover (pics are at the end of the my 2025 log and the beginning - me as fat as a dead bloated whale). Prioritize Reta in your budget and up the dose starting next shot. You can up it as @ZenithHealth laid out for you
Don't lock it in just yet let's keep talking via text about this.
More great advice from @Allupfromhere
Your podcast was excellent! You seemed very at ease and had a lot of knowledge you imparted. Next podcast I want you to discuss the mind disease vs the physical disease/allergy more., I got carried away a bit in the podcast
Way better. Look up proper form because this is one of the best lat movement for a deep stretch. You can go heavy on this and with brute force always crank out 15 reps. This is one of those movements that gets you sweating like walking lunges with dumbbells.
Ill take you up on that bet brotherAnybody wanna take bets on me reaching 85kg by next Sunday
@3xCharm man life happens. How bad is the overeating?
Not bad at all, I might have false memories but on Sema I think i can remember not being as hungry but then again I was drinking and that can kill hunger as well?
Im 86.45kg at the moment, Hoping to be 85kg even by next Sunday
Yeah with drinking Semaglutide had very powerful effects on making you feel full.
With Retatrutide you shouldn't feel hungry at all though, again lets wait a week on the same dose and see how your hunger levels are, 6mg a week is very high
Friends are the ones that get people in trouble. That is just the fact especially when you're younger.Would you believe I struggle socially and pretty much have no desire to have friends (to which I have none) Like I have posted previously, I got carried away a bit in the podcast
Bros, good points.
Day 11 on Reta
Hey EVO Fam!
I said a lot of what Im about to say in my Sobriety Journel so I am going to copy and paste some and elaborate.
"my body is beat, joint pain, hand pain, Calf and Hamstring pain, its becoming increasingly difficult to stay on the trajectory" ... "its clearly from overtraining on weights but also the Boxing."
Kind reminder: "85kg by Sunday is the goal, for anyone who doesn't know; The Australian Heart Foundation says a 38 year old 6' male should be 85kg so I am solely wanting to get there just to say I did it."
Its kind of amazing I have been able to keep this up for this long, I have trained weights and boxing almost everyday and a lot of it twice a day for a month and 10 days but its taking its toll, my body is fuckin beat especially my joints, I am in constant mild pain and moving around or flexing or moving certain joints (wrists in particular, it has to be the boxing)
I am doing a serious review of how I work out, my kid and my wife want to get into it as well (my son less so, but his fat arse needs to get more active) so I have to factor this in as well.
I mentioned in my Sobriety journal that my Sobriety run has been going 'too easy' to which I cannot figure out if Reta is contributing to this or keeping busy is contributing or both? I have been attending 2-3 AA meetings a week and speaking with @HarleyGuy daily (tbh is I didnt have Harleyguy everyday maybe It wouldnt of been this easy)
I am still at the 86.7kg mark but this weeks diet will be high protein, not eating much and pushing through to the 85kg by Sunday goal because I want to start the PEDs and Mass diet by next week.
Thanks to everyone
, Thanks to @ZenithHealth and I am interested to see his take on this.
Hey EVO Fam!
I said a lot of what Im about to say in my Sobriety Journel so I am going to copy and paste some and elaborate.
"my body is beat, joint pain, hand pain, Calf and Hamstring pain, its becoming increasingly difficult to stay on the trajectory" ... "its clearly from overtraining on weights but also the Boxing."
Kind reminder: "85kg by Sunday is the goal, for anyone who doesn't know; The Australian Heart Foundation says a 38 year old 6' male should be 85kg so I am solely wanting to get there just to say I did it."
Its kind of amazing I have been able to keep this up for this long, I have trained weights and boxing almost everyday and a lot of it twice a day for a month and 10 days but its taking its toll, my body is fuckin beat especially my joints, I am in constant mild pain and moving around or flexing or moving certain joints (wrists in particular, it has to be the boxing)
I am doing a serious review of how I work out, my kid and my wife want to get into it as well (my son less so, but his fat arse needs to get more active) so I have to factor this in as well.
I mentioned in my Sobriety journal that my Sobriety run has been going 'too easy' to which I cannot figure out if Reta is contributing to this or keeping busy is contributing or both? I have been attending 2-3 AA meetings a week and speaking with @HarleyGuy daily (tbh is I didnt have Harleyguy everyday maybe It wouldnt of been this easy)
I am still at the 86.7kg mark but this weeks diet will be high protein, not eating much and pushing through to the 85kg by Sunday goal because I want to start the PEDs and Mass diet by next week.
Thanks to everyone
, Thanks to @ZenithHealth and I am interested to see his take on this.
Great update for the log. I'm pumped for you to get to 85kg you're looking so much leaner and you'll feel way better at this weight. Once you get to 85kg we can figure out a boxing routine combined with gym/diet and appropriate PED's to kickstart you into high gear.Day 11 on Reta
Hey EVO Fam!
I said a lot of what Im about to say in my Sobriety Journel so I am going to copy and paste some and elaborate.
"my body is beat, joint pain, hand pain, Calf and Hamstring pain, its becoming increasingly difficult to stay on the trajectory" ... "its clearly from overtraining on weights but also the Boxing."
Kind reminder: "85kg by Sunday is the goal, for anyone who doesn't know; The Australian Heart Foundation says a 38 year old 6' male should be 85kg so I am solely wanting to get there just to say I did it."
Its kind of amazing I have been able to keep this up for this long, I have trained weights and boxing almost everyday and a lot of it twice a day for a month and 10 days but its taking its toll, my body is fuckin beat especially my joints, I am in constant mild pain and moving around or flexing or moving certain joints (wrists in particular, it has to be the boxing)
I am doing a serious review of how I work out, my kid and my wife want to get into it as well (my son less so, but his fat arse needs to get more active) so I have to factor this in as well.
I mentioned in my Sobriety journal that my Sobriety run has been going 'too easy' to which I cannot figure out if Reta is contributing to this or keeping busy is contributing or both? I have been attending 2-3 AA meetings a week and speaking with @HarleyGuy daily (tbh is I didnt have Harleyguy everyday maybe It wouldnt of been this easy)
I am still at the 86.7kg mark but this weeks diet will be high protein, not eating much and pushing through to the 85kg by Sunday goal because I want to start the PEDs and Mass diet by next week.
Thanks to everyone
I highly encourage you to involve the family in your health and fitness goals around your own routine. Notice what I said there? I'm all for bringing them in with you 'around' your own health/fitness routine which shouldn't be disrupted. Remember, anything you put before your recovery you will lose, so being selfish with what you need for your recovery isn't the same as being self-centered. We will come up with a diet and training regime you can stick to (like your meetings) and if they want to come I'm all for that. Right now it's all about you in terms of your recovery. I've dealt with many addicts in early recovery that have had partners that are unsupportive and needy and when they don't put their recovery first and go back to what their partner is needing they end up relapsing and either in jail, institutions, dead and/or divorced.
Retatrutide will make sobriety slightly easier but honestly mate it seems like all the additional things you are doing is what is contributing most.Day 11 on Reta
Hey EVO Fam!
I said a lot of what Im about to say in my Sobriety Journel so I am going to copy and paste some and elaborate.
"my body is beat, joint pain, hand pain, Calf and Hamstring pain, its becoming increasingly difficult to stay on the trajectory" ... "its clearly from overtraining on weights but also the Boxing."
Kind reminder: "85kg by Sunday is the goal, for anyone who doesn't know; The Australian Heart Foundation says a 38 year old 6' male should be 85kg so I am solely wanting to get there just to say I did it."
Its kind of amazing I have been able to keep this up for this long, I have trained weights and boxing almost everyday and a lot of it twice a day for a month and 10 days but its taking its toll, my body is fuckin beat especially my joints, I am in constant mild pain and moving around or flexing or moving certain joints (wrists in particular, it has to be the boxing)
I am doing a serious review of how I work out, my kid and my wife want to get into it as well (my son less so, but his fat arse needs to get more active) so I have to factor this in as well.
I mentioned in my Sobriety journal that my Sobriety run has been going 'too easy' to which I cannot figure out if Reta is contributing to this or keeping busy is contributing or both? I have been attending 2-3 AA meetings a week and speaking with @HarleyGuy daily (tbh is I didnt have Harleyguy everyday maybe It wouldnt of been this easy)
I am still at the 86.7kg mark but this weeks diet will be high protein, not eating much and pushing through to the 85kg by Sunday goal because I want to start the PEDs and Mass diet by next week.
Thanks to everyone
Keeping yourself busy with working out and combat sports, going on holiday, having your partner find you attractive again, seeing your body changes tremendously, having a great support structure with people like @HarleyGuy ...all those things and more definitely play a huge role.
So don't discount all the hard work my bro, you're doing an amazing job and the better you are doing in all aspects of your life make the allure of alcohol far less impactful.
Bros, hell yeah, he is the man for sure.
Yeah it sounds like fixing up the diet is going to be the biggest driver of improvement to your lipids here bro. Removing saturated fats and instead implementing healthy unsaturated fats (particularly Omega 3's and 9's) + the right supplements will send you in the right direction.
Food items:
Avocado
Fish
Dark chocolate
Macadamia nuts
Walnuts
Supplements:
Citrus Bergamot
Plant Sterols
Red Yeast Rice
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Amazing job my bro, you are looking good!
Good shit brother, coming ij nicely
Day 12 on Reta
As per the previous posted images, Reta is in full swing, today’s eating has been easy, mind you working out in the calorie deficit I noticed a tiny bit of finger tingling and light headedness, I will eat tonight but yesterdays food was a 90g bag of jerky and 4 sausages with gravy for dinner (and a few sneaky frozen yoghurt ‘popsicles’ can’t help it, sweet tooth in sobriety is a bitch)
Many thanks to all of you, many thanks to @ZenithHealth for the sponsorship, couldn’t of done this with his help
(many thanks to @HarleyGuy for his continued DAILY support, advice in both bodybuilding and sobriety)
As per the previous posted images, Reta is in full swing, today’s eating has been easy, mind you working out in the calorie deficit I noticed a tiny bit of finger tingling and light headedness, I will eat tonight but yesterdays food was a 90g bag of jerky and 4 sausages with gravy for dinner (and a few sneaky frozen yoghurt ‘popsicles’ can’t help it, sweet tooth in sobriety is a bitch)
Many thanks to all of you, many thanks to @ZenithHealth for the sponsorship, couldn’t of done this with his help
(many thanks to @HarleyGuy for his continued DAILY support, advice in both bodybuilding and sobriety)
Bro what night and day. I'm glad you posted these here after sending them to me you really should be proud of your physique already and think of how much we can do from here!
You're really wanting to do a clean bulk soon still? I'm thinking if you wanted you could keep cutting with the mass you have on your and we can keep that muscle mass while cutting but if you want to bulk and that's what's gonna make you happy then let's go bro!
My fave and in my opinion the best nut. I use it as my cooking oil too.
Yes you're right in that PAWS stage where it's gonna be a bitch until around the 6 month mark (it's a brain chemistry thing now that you're sober) so be mindful of it. Get in the sweet tooth satisfaction but make smart choices and try and time it earlier in the day.
Looking good brother. The work you are doing is obviously paying off
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85kgs is coming fast
you are looking amazing dropped a ton of weight already! wow! impressive @3xCharm EVO family support and love!thank you @HarleyGuy for support and @ZenithHealth well done
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Well done brother - weight is falling off
Awesome work mate. Making crazy progress. You've got a decent amount of muscle as well. When you lean out the muscles will be popping!
Finger tingling isn't typical for Reta brother, what else are you running? And with your light headedness, are you monitoring you blood glucose?
I put it down to high caffine, calorie deprived and sleep deprived, I am eating little this week to reach my 85kg goal, I dont blame it on the reta
In all seriousness...
I took a huge (constipated) dump today, it filled the bowl and transcended the water a good 1.5 inches and the result was weighing my self at 85.5kg, now as a matter of science I will now be aiming for 84.5kg because I have been using mutiple scales so its only fair I go under to be more precise
I took a huge (constipated) dump today, it filled the bowl and transcended the water a good 1.5 inches and the result was weighing my self at 85.5kg, now as a matter of science I will now be aiming for 84.5kg because I have been using mutiple scales so its only fair I go under to be more precise
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Well done brother! You are a weightloss machine
Yeah its pretty wild, too much physical activing, Reta and starving myself does the job
The unholy TrinityYeah its pretty wild, too much physical activing, Reta and starving myself does the job
Bro that's the kind of scale I used to use to weigh in for fights back in 2004... I think it's pretty accurate LOL. But if you wanna go to 84kg go for it. Don't pass out!
But passing out means its working….
In all ACTUAL SERIOUSNESS guys, my behaviour is not a reflection of Reta and my actions are my own, Reta has been a fantastic tool to achieve my inane goal! Actual productive things are coming up with the use of Reta which I will be outlining the weekend with a very detailed plan and report, forever grateful to @ZenithHealth and everyone else hereBut passing out means its working….
Thank you to all of you with putting up with my silly and childish jokes!
Much love to the EVO fam, much love to my AA sponser @HarleyGuy
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Valid lol, what sort of cals and carb intake are we talking?I put it down to high caffine, calorie deprived and sleep deprived, I am eating little this week to reach my 85kg goal, I dont blame it on the reta
Dude my diet is non existent at the moment, 2 days ago it was a 90g bag of jerky for lunch and 4 sausages in gravy for dinner, yesterday is was a bag of jerky and 5 sausages for dinner and had a little bit of salami and cheese late at night, today I have eaten nothing, might not even eat tonight.
The goal is to reach 85kg, thats not 85kg and ripped or comp prep or anything its just 85kg and once I have reached (my stupid goal) its bulking and PEDs to the moon!
Easy there cowboy LOL
Man, I admire your dedication to this goal but you're going to run into so many issues long before you reach it with extreme approaches like this. Practice patience and sustainability. Look after yourself, your health, and your body, and it will look after you.
With any physique or performance related goal your nutrition (alongside your rest, recovery and training practices) are your foundations.
Yo-yo between extreme deficits and bulks will lead to frustration when you realize it's not getting you towards your goal, and these sorts of philosophies mean that when it is time to build and increase doses/ introduce new gear, you're not going to get a fraction out of it that you're expecting or otherwise could.
Invest the time and money in a coach, or take the time to learn more about nutrition and get your plan dialed in
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Thank you for the advice, I am currently 85.2kg so the goal is almost there and the madness can end, I am financially not in the position for a trainer unfortunatly, the ship is inches from turning around, thanks for your concernMan, I admire your dedication to this goal but you're going to run into so many issues long before you reach it with extreme approaches like this. Practice patience and sustainability. Look after yourself, your health, and your body, and it will look after you.
With any physique or performance related goal your nutrition (alongside your rest, recovery and training practices) are your foundations.
Yo-yo between extreme deficits and bulks will lead to frustration when you realize it's not getting you towards your goal, and these sorts of philosophies mean that when it is time to build and increase doses/ introduce new gear, you're not going to get a fraction out of it that you're expecting or otherwise could.
Invest the time and money in a coach, or take the time to learn more about nutrition and get your plan dialed in
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Love your work. Will be following! Keen to see what the next leg of the journey looks like for you
Day 16 on Reta
Hey EVO Fam,
Everything is going great on Reta, I am pretty much at the stage were eating is optional, I have some hunger pains around 6pm (from not eating all day) but I could probably power through it if I really wanted to, this week due to some personal circumstancees was a bit unproductive, no boxing at all and only 3 or 4 days of gym but I hope to fire up on monday plus I reached my goal so PEDs and Bulking here I come!
Hey EVO Fam,
Everything is going great on Reta, I am pretty much at the stage were eating is optional, I have some hunger pains around 6pm (from not eating all day) but I could probably power through it if I really wanted to, this week due to some personal circumstancees was a bit unproductive, no boxing at all and only 3 or 4 days of gym but I hope to fire up on monday plus I reached my goal so PEDs and Bulking here I come!
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Looking fabulous brother. Journey is certainly going in the right direction
Looking like a new man! I love that muscle base I see already there.
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You're much leaner in the pic
wow progress! @3xCharm are you taking digestive aids ed?
and psyllium husk at night?
@3xCharm nice man. Fasting is an amazing thing. It also is a great way to reboot your body. It's amazing what it can do for you so feel free to fast if you're not hungry. It's good.
Bros, retatrutide is one of the best. You are getting some good results on it. It might be something you stay on going forward. @3xCharm
You'll definitely notice that your hunger issues will start subsiding on the drug. @3xCharm usually it peaks in intensity after the first month and then it kind of levels off.
No sir, dont even know what they areYou're much leaner in the pic
are you taking digestive aids ed?
and psyllium husk at night?
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