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I don’t think anyone is denying that his quality was above and beyond for a longtime, I personally found his gear through word of mouth through people competing and the quality lived up to the hype
But I’ve also experienced the same thing with the most recent batch, intense swelling and pain/stiffening in the injection site
I thought it was just me and I had a bad reaction
But I’ve also experienced the same thing with the most recent batch, intense swelling and pain/stiffening in the injection site
I thought it was just me and I had a bad reaction
I disagree, those bloods are pretty spot on for 1ml test 250. Mine are around the same from multiple other trusted vendors
What do you disagree with bro, i said you be the judge for yourself, just showing bloods from a client to be transparent
I PERONSALLY get these numbers from 150mg. So im not super impressed but I know it’s not a terrible result either, everyone’s response is different I’m posting the bloods to be transparent, and give some people peace of mind that it’s not complete bunk oil, but the pip is undeniable that’s for sure
I'd give a current affairs a buzz mate
Really? I see majority of 250mg weekly coming back close to 1500. Also has 1450 at 250 of odins earlier last year.
I am baffled how 250mg test e is classified as a high mg product and causes inflammation. we use to brew up to 500mg test e, painless and stable.
Like I said oriningaly i was not going to reach out but wanted to see what the outcome would be. Going off everyone elses experience it was no different.
All good, whether here on on the other forum their is genuine vendors and who would always make ends meet if any issues arise.
Like I said, I had gear from him and also bloods to support which were good and his post times were on par for regular post, seemed genuine at the time too but this threw a spanner in the works. Good luck to him and I hope he is conducting business accordingly nowadays while off the forums.
Like I said oriningaly i was not going to reach out but wanted to see what the outcome would be. Going off everyone elses experience it was no different.
All good, whether here on on the other forum their is genuine vendors and who would always make ends meet if any issues arise.
Like I said, I had gear from him and also bloods to support which were good and his post times were on par for regular post, seemed genuine at the time too but this threw a spanner in the works. Good luck to him and I hope he is conducting business accordingly nowadays while off the forums.
Mods and admin doing a great job to keep this place in line. Kudos to you all.our suspension was warranted
His behaviour with customers is unacceptable
Highly dependent on the person though anywhere from 40-50 from 250 test E is in line with expectations in my eyes.
I don’t think I ever complain this much when I got swelling and redness from a vendor on here
I had friends who also used the same batch with no such effects Is it luck it the draw? Is it something your body just didn’t agree with? Did you good an injection, did you clean the injection site etc etc
Many factors can influence said outcome it’s not a OH this happened so it’s dirty gear that’s to black and white when the situation is always more nuanced.
Yeah I hear you brother, but several people have voiced their concerns and that is only the ones who have chosen to speak up. It does not account for anyone who may have stayed quiet.Highly dependent on the person though anywhere from 40-50 from 250 test E is in line with expectations in my eyes.
I don’t think I ever complain this much when I got swelling and redness from a vendor on here
Is it luck it the draw? Is it something your body just didn’t agree with? Did you good an injection, did you clean the injection site etc etc
Many factors can influence said outcome it’s not a OH this happened so it’s dirty gear that’s to black and white when the situation is always more nuanced.
At the end of the day, are people not allowed to raise concerns when a product has not met the expectations they previously had from the exact same vendor? That does not automatically mean anyone is attacking or trying to cause damage. It is simply sharing experience.
You know I respect you and you will always be one of my favourites on here. I rate how you stand by your position. But I have to be honest, it can come across at times like you would rather shut down the concerns than let them be discussed openly. That is not a shot at you, just how it can read from the outside.
I just think there has to be space for people to voice concerns without it feeling like they are being shut down. In the end that clarity helps everyone, especially newer guys trying to make informed decisions.
being a heavy Odin user in the past and logger I can vouch that the recent batch of his oils have caused me a lot of issues. Had to re start my cycle twice since December from the level of inflammation I was getting from it. Pinned some r&d last night and no pip of inflammation.Highly dependent on the person though anywhere from 40-50 from 250 test E is in line with expectations in my eyes.
I don’t think I ever complain this much when I got swelling and redness from a vendor on here
Is it luck it the draw? Is it something your body just didn’t agree with? Did you good an injection, did you clean the injection site etc etc
Many factors can influence said outcome it’s not a OH this happened so it’s dirty gear that’s to black and white when the situation is always more nuanced.
Love your attitude @Weir
I haven’t shut down his concerns once though, have I? I’m just skeptical of his claims. I’d like to see some photos not just words
Actually, if he still has the vial, I’m happy to inject it myself and post the video here for everyone, if I’m wrong I’ll have no problem saying it’s bad but if I’m right he should delete his comments and apologise for stirring up unnecessary drama.
I’m not saying you’ve outright shut anyone down. I’m saying that the way it comes across at times feels like you would rather shut it down than explore it.
For example, calling it unnecessary drama if you pin and don’t get the same reaction kind of narrows it to one person’s claim, when there have been multiple members voicing similar concerns. That is the part that feels a bit dismissive.
If you’re willing to pin to test it, that’s your call and I respect standing behind your view. But are you going to do that with every vial from everyone who has raised the same issue? At some point it stops being about one individual and becomes about a broader pattern being discussed.
I think people should be allowed to raise concerns without it automatically being framed as drama. That doesn’t mean they’re right, it just means the conversation should stay open and fair.
He being who? There's at least 3 people in this thread reporting painful injection sites.
I've always sat around 34 test and 1150 free on 250mg but I test the morning I'm due for my next shot so my levels will be at their lowest.
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Coca leaf does amazing things to people, this is a prime example.
I’d love to see this! Glute shot obviously plz.
It’s a ballsy offer. Problem is that if you came back saying “okay yep that has given me some grief” it would be taken as 100% proof, but if you reported no issue I don’t think it will shut anything down, so you would be risking your health for nothing.
I’ve used his gear in the past and it was good, but the big fire sale of test was a bit out of character... His communication since has been on brand though haha.
I see what you mean, it could be framed in a better light. I guess I’m dismissive of it because of fact I’ve used so much of it and that has hand on heart never happened to me. I’ve used the Christmas batch, I’ve got the newest batch, I’ve got the new primo and old primo and I’ve had the mast e batches, not to mention EQ and Deca and not once have any of them been bad to the extent of these complaints and I’m a sensitive little bitch when it comes to oils
I’ve probably used more of his oils than anyone else and I’ve only had one test E batch that had a bite to it, wasn’t terrible and didn’t cause any swelling or redness though. I’m Everyone from team Odin can attest to this fact - I literally try new vendors and do 0.2ml out of fear that I’ll get welts because it has opened so much prior to using Odin’s products. The amounts of times it’s happen is becoming a joke tbh but that’s not really the point. 3 people isn't something to write home about, especially taking into account the hundreds of others who have had no issues.
500+ people with positive experiences and a handful that haven’t is probably the same as most other labs here if we really took an honest account of the state of things. What I really think this is about is a customer service issue which is something none of us can control. Odin is his own man how he deals with these matters is for him to decide and for customers to decide whether or not they like that or not.
How long does it usually take for orders to come through with Odinlabs for those that have used them? I ordered primo off of him 2 weeks ago and it still hasnt come and he refuses to send a tracking number. Im used to dealing with raptor and r&d so I was shocked at his shit communication and the long time frame in comparison.
He’s not approved for a reason.
He can exit scam anytime, including now.
My last order took like 6ish weeks. As @Eddie Haskell says not an approved source on here anymore stick to the approved source that can certainly help you out. @Raptor Labs @R&Dpharma @Core Pharma just to name a few.
@Norvex may still have primo if you run into any issues with this order
We chat regularly I’ll ask for you
I know other deliveries landed around the two week mark with that batch of primo but I’ll ask regardless
I’d anticipate it being end of the week at the latest if anyway since he would’ve sent it via red bag post, especially if you’re VIC, QLD, NSW or SA. Other states and territories I’m not sure how long red bag takes
Just because you’ve banned someone doesn’t mean they’re scamming anyone
Evo members have still received their items - albeit with longer than anticipated waiting times.
Not a single excuse can be made to justify this..
It’s not Kmart is a popular response
Cheers bro auspost usually has some issues but anything longer then 10 days is a vendor issue
My only 2 vendors who took forever to post me stuff was BBL and OdinNo quality gear takes time. I learned from bbl days
Your in perfect hands now brotherMy only 2 vendors who took forever to post me stuff was BBL and Odin
Thanks brotherYour in perfect hands now brother
im def not going anywhere now haha
I was in bbl camp too lolMy only 2 vendors who took forever to post me stuff was BBL and Odin
. Not ur fault how vendors operate
Haha I got bbl orders in 2 days.. I must've been luckyMy only 2 vendors who took forever to post me stuff was BBL and Odin
I remember the early days, fark good crew, pity about what happened, but we move on and onwards and upwardsI was in bbl camp too lol
This was towards the end of his run man, at the start my loggers pack had dick straws and all in there hahahaHaha I got bbl orders in 2 days.. I must've been lucky
Spot on brother we've all got better homes now though hey
100% brother
Thought I should share my experience in case it helps someone (maybe stop them from binning ok gear).
I ordered 5 x Test E for a mate on 29 November. He said he would get it out soon.
I followed up with him on 12 December asking about tracking. With all the personality of a gnat he replied that he doesn't give tracking or say when it was sent.
Followed up again on 18 December. He said it's fine and with Auspost and just slow due to Xmas. I think I received it shortly after that.
Never got around to getting it to my mate until just before the latest comments in this thread popped up.
Was going to tell my mate to bin it but ended up getting one back off him to try myself.
Have done two shots now and both were fine. My mate said he has done one now as well and no issue.
Maybe I got in before the dud batch?
I ordered 5 x Test E for a mate on 29 November. He said he would get it out soon.
I followed up with him on 12 December asking about tracking. With all the personality of a gnat he replied that he doesn't give tracking or say when it was sent.
Followed up again on 18 December. He said it's fine and with Auspost and just slow due to Xmas. I think I received it shortly after that.
Never got around to getting it to my mate until just before the latest comments in this thread popped up.
Was going to tell my mate to bin it but ended up getting one back off him to try myself.
Have done two shots now and both were fine. My mate said he has done one now as well and no issue.
Maybe I got in before the dud batch?
Perhaps bro, but why risk it
I don’t suggest further orders from a suspended vendor. Dangerous move.
I wouldn't. Didn't know he was a prick at the time. Wouldn't have anything to do with him now.
Agree! My order was from just before he was suspended.
I also took advantage of the sale ordered before with flawless product no pip whatsoever.
Sale batch first 2 vials fine then came what others have described thought it may have been injection technique so proceeded to use but it happened everytime without failure afterwards then read people have been experiencing the same here. Now using a mates leftover t400 (different vendor) to get me though and it’s less painful without inflammation and swelling.
Would be super obvious if he did rebrand, unless he hires someone (nice and reasonable) to do all the communicating haha.He is not a vendor anywhere else correct? so you wouldn't have updated reiews, no dropping in to see him active etc. Thats alarm bells for me cause he could easily exit scam, start a new lab/label and come back on the forums IF he is not here already.
He’d get caught out on the postage time frames as well
Such a good show
Please change the soup to tren
Tren hex
I dont know why everyone is coming out now complaining about a vendor that is no longer on evo....
Move on from this thread like Lev said.
We’re just having a laugh mateI dont know why everyone is coming out now complaining about a vendor that is no longer on evo....
Move on from this thread like Lev said.
@JimmyO187 yeah brother i totally understand
But at the end of the day we all bought from Odin, we know his gear is top notch... blood tests to prove.. his method of delivery was different but he does it for reasons and safety of others.
Couldn't agree more. It was known Odin had some of the cleanest gear on the market. It's funny how everyone's appearing out of the woodwork now he's gone.. where were these issues when he was around??@JimmyO187 yeah brother i totally understand
But at the end of the day we all bought from Odin, we know his gear is top notch... blood tests to prove.. his method of delivery was different but he does it for reasons and safety of others.
He has always been known for insane postage delays and that’s been brought up copious amounts of time
He’s always been knows for having a terrible attitude
The most recent issue relating to quality occurred after his suspension when he ran the sale
Yes and my comment isn't referring to postage times or his attitude.
So is it referring to the last one being quality????
Everyone knows his masteron and testosterone enanthate was good quality!! Super smooth and clean!!
Not to mention his Tren Hex....
Its my fault for stirring the pot.I dont know why everyone is coming out now complaining about a vendor that is no longer on evo....
Move on from this thread like Lev said.
I ended up becoming one of his cunt too when I asked him for a refund.
Its my fault for stirring the pot.
I ended up becoming one of his cunt too when I asked him for a refund.
This isn't bunnings warehouse broIts my fault for stirring the pot.
I ended up becoming one of his cunt too when I asked him for a refund.
It's penny's whorehouse.This isn't bunnings warehouse bro
You said it brotherIt's penny's whorehouse.
finally came 2.5 weeks later, after reading some reviews on the last batch I’ll be fearful of jabbing , has anyone else had issues with the Primo or has it just been the test people got inflammation from?
Lol you'll be right mate. Nothing wrong with his gear.
Fwiw I jumped on the sale end of last year too and bought 10 x test e. Had used Odin test e for some time prior, always clean and potent.
Usual 2-3 week touchdown.
Gave some to a mate who complained about inflammation and PIP.
I was still running older batches so I switched to the new batch to check it out. I got serious PIP off 1ml of Odins test e 250mg.
I reached out to Odin to ask if he had changed solvent ratios or anything to which he replied no, all the same batch, from same supplier and I was the only person to have a problem with it
So I switched to doing 25mg per day or 10units on a slin pin. 175mg per week.
Had been running it solo for 7 weeks at that protocol before getting bloods. Can still say it stung like a bitch even at that low dose/day, and slight site inflammation.
Test levels gtg but CRP levels indicating infection to which I was otherwise fine and healthy.
Usual 2-3 week touchdown.
Gave some to a mate who complained about inflammation and PIP.
I was still running older batches so I switched to the new batch to check it out. I got serious PIP off 1ml of Odins test e 250mg.
I reached out to Odin to ask if he had changed solvent ratios or anything to which he replied no, all the same batch, from same supplier and I was the only person to have a problem with it
So I switched to doing 25mg per day or 10units on a slin pin. 175mg per week.
Had been running it solo for 7 weeks at that protocol before getting bloods. Can still say it stung like a bitch even at that low dose/day, and slight site inflammation.
Test levels gtg but CRP levels indicating infection to which I was otherwise fine and healthy.
hmm.
Reading all of this is very interesting, basically I got an order from him 1xmast e and like a few test e vials.
Around november or a month befoee the ban can’t remember as I’ve now blocked him on threema and deleted chat history as he got suspended.
No problems with the mast only ran it recently and about finsihed
But my third vial of test E in and its starting to give me some pip as if a boxer punched my shoulder.
Im not a bitch i can take shots its just felt unordinary so I decided to search Odin and here we are.
Gonna bin this shit to be safe…
But yea just mad PIP and bit of redness.
And I’d like to add with Test E i only run low trt dose so 0.2ml every 3 days.
So not like im injecting a lot.
Reading all of this is very interesting, basically I got an order from him 1xmast e and like a few test e vials.
Around november or a month befoee the ban can’t remember as I’ve now blocked him on threema and deleted chat history as he got suspended.
No problems with the mast only ran it recently and about finsihed
But my third vial of test E in and its starting to give me some pip as if a boxer punched my shoulder.
Im not a bitch i can take shots its just felt unordinary so I decided to search Odin and here we are.
Gonna bin this shit to be safe…
But yea just mad PIP and bit of redness.
And I’d like to add with Test E i only run low trt dose so 0.2ml every 3 days.
So not like im injecting a lot.
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I nearly bought from Odin late last year. He messaged me after I asked if he was taking new customers. Something felt weird, almost like he was pushing for the sale. Glad I listened to my gut instinct and didn't proceed.
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