Approved Log First Testosterone and Anavar Cycle Log

[treebeard]

Hello all!

(Moderators please let me know if anything below is not allowed, missing, or needs editing, thanks in advance).

I recently discovered this forum a few weeks ago after researching different sources for a potential cycle. I am highly impressed by the scope of things, the scrutiny of suppliers, how responsive the mods are and how much goes on in this community in general.
I want to keep things as anonymous as possible however I understand the need for providing photos and accurate information, I'm from Australia for the record.

Current stats:
Age: 23 Years old, turning 24 soon.
Height: 6'2/187cm.
Weight: 80kgs/176lbs.
Body Fat: Unsure, probably around 15%.

Previous Athletic Experience: Played a team sport for most of my life, reached a fairly high level including a scholarship to college in the states.
Previous Gym Experience: I have been gymming on and off since around age 17, from about age 20 I stopped playing my sport and gym became more aesthetic focused, just an hour 4-5 times a week to keep the body healthy, strong(ish) and aesthetic. My legs have always been fairly athletic even without specific training but the upper body has always lagged behind, especially the arms.
Previous Substance experience: Very much into biohacking and longevity (I know that's a bit hypocritical but alas). Did an Enclomiphene + Ostarine 8 week "harmless" cycle a couple years back, and dabbled in things such as cardarine and yohimbine. I have a tiny bit of gyno which I'm hoping the one month of 60mg raloxifene pre-cycle will reduce. I take a lot of over the counter supplements but realize nothing comes close to the big 3 (sleep, diet, exercise) in terms of impact (and maybe non-OTC drugs).
Diet: Always eaten fairly healthy. Recently been focusing on reducing sugar to improve insulin control, which has in turn reduced most of my snacking. Focusing on meat and dairy, and more sustainable carb sources such as sweet potatoes, berries, and honey in small amounts. Would prefer not to get too deep into my diet as it is generally pretty good. Open to tracking my macros/micros if it is significantly beneficial?
Training: Push/Pull/Legs+Core/Rest and repeat generally. Probably an area for improvement.
Other Notes: I try not to workout intensely for longer than an hour as I find I can get cold symptoms (runny nose, sneezing), so I have to be somewhat careful with how hard I push myself unfortunately. No other significant health factors to my knowledge. As a result, I have to train/eat somewhat intuitively to make sure the body feels good. I have minor thallasemia (no treatment needed) which I have taken into consideration, supposedly test + var will improve this.
Bloodwork: No recent blood tests, I am travelling atm so will get this done in the next 1-2 weeks, if that is ok?

Starting Physique: Tried to maintain anonymity but hopefully shows enough.

- First photo is a couple days ago, sick + inconsistent training recently has caused a slightly smaller frame.
- Second & third photos are a couple months back, will be fairly easy to get back to this in the month or so before I start test.
- The minor gyno might not be easy to see in these photos but it is definitely there, the back acne has been on and off for the past 3 years now.

Goals:
- Become more visually aesthetic through a body recomposition which I hope my cycle will achieve.
- Build the physical strength and fibers on cycle to maintain 80-90% of it off cycle, considering I will not be at my natural limit by the end of the cycle.
- More secondary goals include zero alcohol, being more holistic with training e.g running, cardio, athleticism, and training legs again (lack of priority and laziness from me). I will be looking to do some modelling/content creation this year so factors such as hair/skin/gyno are important too.

Current Plan:
Timeline: The timeline would be run Raloxifene 40mg to 60mg daily for 3-4 weeks to try reduce minor existing gyno. 2 weeks in, start Test 250mg weekly. 4 weeks in, reduce Rolaxifene to 30mg daily and start Anavar at 25mg daily. At the end of week 12, stop ralox, test, and var. At week 15, start enclomiphene 12.5mg daily for 4 weeks. Everything else is according to the table or as needed. Terrified of needles but willing to inject test IM multiple times a week.

Substances: Below is everything relevant I am looking to take. Got a bunch of OTC supplements not included in these tables like vitamin d3+k2, magnesium, fish oil, electrolytes, preworkout, etc. Some might call it overkill but I am trying to ensure success on all fronts, including gains, hair, skin, gut, fertility, productivity. Would personally rather spend my time and money in 2026 on a project like this than expensive dinners, clubbing, materialistic items etc.

Interested in all thoughts and comments! Hope formatting is good.
Side note, this might be the longest thing I have written recently without artificial intelligence haha.

Cheers.

 

[treebeard]

Not sure how to directly edit the post, so I've attached my bloodwork screenshots below.
Only notes really are confirmation of thalassemia minor which is as expected, and cholesterol markers are a bit off due to trying out high fat diet recently (e.g ghee, butter, pork crackle, fatty meats), so I'm sure this will improve as expected in the next few weeks, starting from last week I've already eliminated saturated fat sources and started consuming more fish oil, EV olive oil, and walnuts.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hello all!

(Moderators please let me know if anything below is not allowed, missing, or needs editing, thanks in advance).

I recently discovered this forum a few weeks ago after researching different sources for a potential cycle. I am highly impressed by the scope of things, the scrutiny of suppliers, how responsive the mods are and how much goes on in this community in general.
I want to keep things as anonymous as possible however I understand the need for providing photos and accurate information, I'm from Australia for the record.

Current stats:
Age: 23 Years old, turning 24 soon.
Height: 6'2/187cm.
Weight: 80kgs/176lbs.
Body Fat: Unsure, probably around 15%.

Previous Athletic Experience: Played a team sport for most of my life, reached a fairly high level including a scholarship to college in the states.
Previous Gym Experience: I have been gymming on and off since around age 17, from about age 20 I stopped playing my sport and gym became more aesthetic focused, just an hour 4-5 times a week to keep the body healthy, strong(ish) and aesthetic. My legs have always been fairly athletic even without specific training but the upper body has always lagged behind, especially the arms.
Previous Substance experience: Very much into biohacking and longevity (I know that's a bit hypocritical but alas). Did an Enclomiphene + Ostarine 8 week "harmless" cycle a couple years back, and dabbled in things such as cardarine and yohimbine. I have a tiny bit of gyno which I'm hoping the one month of 60mg raloxifene pre-cycle will reduce. I take a lot of over the counter supplements but realize nothing comes close to the big 3 (sleep, diet, exercise) in terms of impact (and maybe non-OTC drugs).
Diet: Always eaten fairly healthy. Recently been focusing on reducing sugar to improve insulin control, which has in turn reduced most of my snacking. Focusing on meat and dairy, and more sustainable carb sources such as sweet potatoes, berries, and honey in small amounts. Would prefer not to get too deep into my diet as it is generally pretty good. Open to tracking my macros/micros if it is significantly beneficial?
Training: Push/Pull/Legs+Core/Rest and repeat generally. Probably an area for improvement.
Other Notes: I try not to workout intensely for longer than an hour as I find I can get cold symptoms (runny nose, sneezing), so I have to be somewhat careful with how hard I push myself unfortunately. No other significant health factors to my knowledge. As a result, I have to train/eat somewhat intuitively to make sure the body feels good. I have minor thallasemia (no treatment needed) which I have taken into consideration, supposedly test + var will improve this.
Bloodwork: No recent blood tests, I am travelling atm so will get this done in the next 1-2 weeks, if that is ok?

Starting Physique: Tried to maintain anonymity but hopefully shows enough.
View attachment 180825View attachment 180826View attachment 180827
- First photo is a couple days ago, sick + inconsistent training recently has caused a slightly smaller frame.
- Second & third photos are a couple months back, will be fairly easy to get back to this in the month or so before I start test.
- The minor gyno might not be easy to see in these photos but it is definitely there, the back acne has been on and off for the past 3 years now.

Goals:
- Become more visually aesthetic through a body recomposition which I hope my cycle will achieve.
- Build the physical strength and fibers on cycle to maintain 80-90% of it off cycle, considering I will not be at my natural limit by the end of the cycle.
- More secondary goals include zero alcohol, being more holistic with training e.g running, cardio, athleticism, and training legs again (lack of priority and laziness from me). I will be looking to do some modelling/content creation this year so factors such as hair/skin/gyno are important too.

Current Plan:
Timeline: The timeline would be run Raloxifene 40mg to 60mg daily for 3-4 weeks to try reduce minor existing gyno. 2 weeks in, start Test 250mg weekly. 4 weeks in, reduce Rolaxifene to 30mg daily and start Anavar at 25mg daily. At the end of week 12, stop ralox, test, and var. At week 15, start enclomiphene 12.5mg daily for 4 weeks. Everything else is according to the table or as needed. Terrified of needles but willing to inject test IM multiple times a week.

Substances: Below is everything relevant I am looking to take. Got a bunch of OTC supplements not included in these tables like vitamin d3+k2, magnesium, fish oil, electrolytes, preworkout, etc. Some might call it overkill but I am trying to ensure success on all fronts, including gains, hair, skin, gut, fertility, productivity. Would personally rather spend my time and money in 2026 on a project like this than expensive dinners, clubbing, materialistic items etc.

View attachment 180833
Interested in all thoughts and comments! Hope formatting is good.
Side note, this might be the longest thing I have written recently without artificial intelligence haha.

Cheers.

Not sure how to directly edit the post, so I've attached my bloodwork screenshots below.
Only notes really are confirmation of thalassemia minor which is as expected, and cholesterol markers are a bit off due to trying out high fat diet recently (e.g ghee, butter, pork crackle, fatty meats), so I'm sure this will improve as expected in the next few weeks, starting from last week I've already eliminated saturated fat sources and started consuming more fish oil, EV olive oil, and walnuts.

welcome fully to the EVO family @treebeard sorry for missing your log! It was in my que and I lost it, causing a delay.

I hope we can get this back on track now.

you're not on cycle with the bloods right? because your test levels are peaking out natty, this is from what? enclomiphene? or?

the test anavar you have the gear on hand?

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Coolguy @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67 @codezz @Yuri

 

[treebeard]

welcome fully to the EVO family @treebeard sorry for missing your log! It was in my que and I lost it, causing a delay.

I hope we can get this back on track now.

you're not on cycle with the bloods right? because your test levels are peaking out natty, this is from what? enclomiphene? or?

the test anavar you have the gear on hand?

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Coolguy @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67 @codezz @Yuri

Thanks for the reply mate, I'm 100% natural at the moment, haven't been on anything like enclomiphene for over six months. I take a daily half dosage of this "Muscletech Alphatest" supplement which is just one of those 'natural' test boosters but I think that mostly just affects libido.

I don't have the test + anavar on hand atm, planning on starting in a few weeks.

 

[Pigsy]

Welcome to EVO brother

 

[Dreamer]

Not sure how to directly edit the post, so I've attached my bloodwork screenshots below.
Only notes really are confirmation of thalassemia minor which is as expected, and cholesterol markers are a bit off due to trying out high fat diet recently (e.g ghee, butter, pork crackle, fatty meats), so I'm sure this will improve as expected in the next few weeks, starting from last week I've already eliminated saturated fat sources and started consuming more fish oil, EV olive oil, and walnuts.

Bloods not too bad, but good call lowering the sat fats, that LDL level is absolutely diet related, the rest is pretty good. But needs cleaning up, would be keen to see the retest

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks for the reply mate, I'm 100% natural at the moment, haven't been on anything like enclomiphene for over six months. I take a daily half dosage of this "Muscletech Alphatest" supplement which is just one of those 'natural' test boosters but I think that mostly just affects libido.

I don't have the test + anavar on hand atm, planning on starting in a few weeks.

with this high natural test level, have you thought about just trying to boost it and go natty? @treebeard

 

[treebeard]

with this high natural test level, have you thought about just trying to boost it and go natty? @treebeard

Honestly you might be right. My test is fairly high just from a healthy/biohacking lifestyle but I don't think it's super high or anything. I guess this desire stems more from never really having a peak aesthetic physique that I want, even in previous years with long periods of consistent training and diet, and short cycles of sarms etc. Sort of sick of being 'natural' and might as well do what the big boys do.

Maybe something like 200mg test by itself would be more suitable with no anavar? (This would also reduce cholesterol risk) Or should I just dabble in sarms/peptides instead and wait a couple years?

 

[LevButlerov]

Honestly you might be right. My test is fairly high just from a healthy/biohacking lifestyle but I don't think it's super high or anything. I guess this desire stems more from never really having a peak aesthetic physique that I want, even in previous years with long periods of consistent training and diet, and short cycles of sarms etc. Sort of sick of being 'natural' and might as well do what the big boys do.

Maybe something like 200mg test by itself would be more suitable with no anavar? (This would also reduce cholesterol risk) Or should I just dabble in sarms/peptides instead and wait a couple years?

You can get bigger and stronger natty before we go further but really here 200mgs of test maybe maybe not maybe so, how about we start with you updating food and training for 2 weeks lets see how you do @treebeard
and hgh should be as a thought here

 

[waggat]

Hello all!

(Moderators please let me know if anything below is not allowed, missing, or needs editing, thanks in advance).

I recently discovered this forum a few weeks ago after researching different sources for a potential cycle. I am highly impressed by the scope of things, the scrutiny of suppliers, how responsive the mods are and how much goes on in this community in general.
I want to keep things as anonymous as possible however I understand the need for providing photos and accurate information, I'm from Australia for the record.

Current stats:
Age: 23 Years old, turning 24 soon.
Height: 6'2/187cm.
Weight: 80kgs/176lbs.
Body Fat: Unsure, probably around 15%.

Previous Athletic Experience: Played a team sport for most of my life, reached a fairly high level including a scholarship to college in the states.
Previous Gym Experience: I have been gymming on and off since around age 17, from about age 20 I stopped playing my sport and gym became more aesthetic focused, just an hour 4-5 times a week to keep the body healthy, strong(ish) and aesthetic. My legs have always been fairly athletic even without specific training but the upper body has always lagged behind, especially the arms.
Previous Substance experience: Very much into biohacking and longevity (I know that's a bit hypocritical but alas). Did an Enclomiphene + Ostarine 8 week "harmless" cycle a couple years back, and dabbled in things such as cardarine and yohimbine. I have a tiny bit of gyno which I'm hoping the one month of 60mg raloxifene pre-cycle will reduce. I take a lot of over the counter supplements but realize nothing comes close to the big 3 (sleep, diet, exercise) in terms of impact (and maybe non-OTC drugs).
Diet: Always eaten fairly healthy. Recently been focusing on reducing sugar to improve insulin control, which has in turn reduced most of my snacking. Focusing on meat and dairy, and more sustainable carb sources such as sweet potatoes, berries, and honey in small amounts. Would prefer not to get too deep into my diet as it is generally pretty good. Open to tracking my macros/micros if it is significantly beneficial?
Training: Push/Pull/Legs+Core/Rest and repeat generally. Probably an area for improvement.
Other Notes: I try not to workout intensely for longer than an hour as I find I can get cold symptoms (runny nose, sneezing), so I have to be somewhat careful with how hard I push myself unfortunately. No other significant health factors to my knowledge. As a result, I have to train/eat somewhat intuitively to make sure the body feels good. I have minor thallasemia (no treatment needed) which I have taken into consideration, supposedly test + var will improve this.
Bloodwork: No recent blood tests, I am travelling atm so will get this done in the next 1-2 weeks, if that is ok?

Starting Physique: Tried to maintain anonymity but hopefully shows enough.
View attachment 180825View attachment 180826View attachment 180827
- First photo is a couple days ago, sick + inconsistent training recently has caused a slightly smaller frame.
- Second & third photos are a couple months back, will be fairly easy to get back to this in the month or so before I start test.
- The minor gyno might not be easy to see in these photos but it is definitely there, the back acne has been on and off for the past 3 years now.

Goals:
- Become more visually aesthetic through a body recomposition which I hope my cycle will achieve.
- Build the physical strength and fibers on cycle to maintain 80-90% of it off cycle, considering I will not be at my natural limit by the end of the cycle.
- More secondary goals include zero alcohol, being more holistic with training e.g running, cardio, athleticism, and training legs again (lack of priority and laziness from me). I will be looking to do some modelling/content creation this year so factors such as hair/skin/gyno are important too.

Current Plan:
Timeline: The timeline would be run Raloxifene 40mg to 60mg daily for 3-4 weeks to try reduce minor existing gyno. 2 weeks in, start Test 250mg weekly. 4 weeks in, reduce Rolaxifene to 30mg daily and start Anavar at 25mg daily. At the end of week 12, stop ralox, test, and var. At week 15, start enclomiphene 12.5mg daily for 4 weeks. Everything else is according to the table or as needed. Terrified of needles but willing to inject test IM multiple times a week.

Substances: Below is everything relevant I am looking to take. Got a bunch of OTC supplements not included in these tables like vitamin d3+k2, magnesium, fish oil, electrolytes, preworkout, etc. Some might call it overkill but I am trying to ensure success on all fronts, including gains, hair, skin, gut, fertility, productivity. Would personally rather spend my time and money in 2026 on a project like this than expensive dinners, clubbing, materialistic items etc.

View attachment 180833
Interested in all thoughts and comments! Hope formatting is good.
Side note, this might be the longest thing I have written recently without artificial intelligence haha.

Cheers.

Welcome to Evo mate.

Nice start to your log.

Nothing wrong with the push, pull, legs split. Pretty popular these days. Doing it 3 on 1 off you'll have to keep an eye on recovery.

With diet, tracking makes a big difference. It also allows us to see something you may be missing.

23-24 is pretty young to be doing a cycle mate. More on that below.

I wonder whether you are holding yourself back from making muscle gains by trying to stay too lean. You really need to make sure you are giving yourself enough food to grow. If you try to stay lean you'll definitely gain less muscle in the long term. Very common issue.

Not sure how to directly edit the post, so I've attached my bloodwork screenshots below.
Only notes really are confirmation of thalassemia minor which is as expected, and cholesterol markers are a bit off due to trying out high fat diet recently (e.g ghee, butter, pork crackle, fatty meats), so I'm sure this will improve as expected in the next few weeks, starting from last week I've already eliminated saturated fat sources and started consuming more fish oil, EV olive oil, and walnuts.

Something I'd going on here surely. Your T and free T are top of the range which is awesome. Your LH is above range though. Hence why @LevButlerov asked about enclomophine.

I think with levels this high naturally you should probably hold off for at least while and get diet and training fully dialled in.

 

[treebeard]

You can get bigger and stronger natty before we go further but really here 200mgs of test maybe maybe not maybe so, how about we start with you updating food and training for 2 weeks lets see how you do @treebeard
and hgh should be as a thought here

Sounds reasonable to me, I'll lock in the training and diet for a couple weeks and then go from there. Haven't ordered any test/var/enclo yet so I have a bit of time to decide how to proceed. Potentially peptides might be the way to go considering thalassemia and test/dht risks.

 

[treebeard]

Welcome to Evo mate.

Nice start to your log.

Nothing wrong with the push, pull, legs split. Pretty popular these days. Doing it 3 on 1 off you'll have to keep an eye on recovery.

With diet, tracking makes a big difference. It also allows us to see something you may be missing.

23-24 is pretty young to be doing a cycle mate. More on that below.

I wonder whether you are holding yourself back from making muscle gains by trying to stay too lean. You really need to make sure you are giving yourself enough food to grow. If you try to stay lean you'll definitely gain less muscle in the long term. Very common issue.

Something I'd going on here surely. Your T and free T are top of the range which is awesome. Your LH is above range though. Hence why @LevButlerov asked about enclomophine.

I think with levels this high naturally you should probably hold off for at least while and get diet and training fully dialled in.

Valid points. Gonna start tracking diet.

It is potentially a bit young to hop on a cycle so you guys are convincing me that other 'methods' may be more suitable haha.
I probably would have stronger lifts and more muscle if I had been eating above maintenance, however the quality of life benefits (and with other people) from being lean would be very hard to give up and could potentially be harmful for my lifestyle/career.

With the test readings, I've attached a screenshot of the supplement I was taking 3 capsules a day (half dosage), now the bottle's finished I'm taking 2 capsules daily of the second screenshot. On top of this I was eating a high fat diet with meat organs including beef liver and heart, but that's all been eliminated for over a week now, so cholesterol will be better potentially test markers might be lower. Not sure what else it could be as everything else is just a bunch of OTC supplements for the past six months.

 

[LevButlerov]

Sounds reasonable to me, I'll lock in the training and diet for a couple weeks and then go from there. Haven't ordered any test/var/enclo yet so I have a bit of time to decide how to proceed. Potentially peptides might be the way to go considering thalassemia and test/dht risks.

thank you for being smart EVO family respect your way @treebeard lets start logging and see within 2 weeks next move

 

[treebeard]

Week 1 Natty Update:
Training:
- Reduced training from 5-6 days a week to 3-4 days a week at a higher intensity, which worked better.
- Split was 1)Push 2)Pull 3)Legs 4)Core+WeakPoints.
- HRV hit 76ms, (above 75ms for the first time this year, good sign).
Diet:
- Tried logging with chronometer but it got way too laborious, started using "Cal Plus" which is an AI scanner. Might lack a bit of accuracy but it is the only way I can willingly keep tracking my food each day. Happy to share the csv file from the app if beneficial.
- Average Calories: 3056.4cal.
- Average Daily Macros: Protein = 200g. Carbs = 278g. Fats = 131g.
- Diet is a lot cleaner in terms of eliminating saturated fat and eating a more balanced diet.
Substances:
- Still 'natural' at the moment, just taking a bunch of over the counter supplements.
- Pivoting away from test/var due to naturally high test, young age, and heavy side effects.
- Very keen on a cjc+ipamorelin+lcarnitine cycle. This may not produce huge muscle growth or "shred" my fat but it seems smarter to stick to something with very few serious side effects, and a lot of bonus benefits to sleep, hair, skin, etc.

Next week:
Training: 3 x Full Body sessions. Looking forward to trying this out, pushing hard for one day then having the next day for active recovery. Might add a few ml cialis preworkout to get a nice pump.
Diet: Keeping it clean, trying out coconut water to drink during workouts (with salt added as usual).
Substances: Still holding off for now, but eyeing either Monday 9th as a potential start to cjc/ipa/carn. Still open to all opinions and alternative options but it seems hard to beat that combo in terms of benefits/cost/longevity/side effects.

 

[LevButlerov]

Week 1 Natty Update:
Training:
- Reduced training from 5-6 days a week to 3-4 days a week at a higher intensity, which worked better.
- Split was 1)Push 2)Pull 3)Legs 4)Core+WeakPoints.
- HRV hit 76ms, (above 75ms for the first time this year, good sign).
Diet:
- Tried logging with chronometer but it got way too laborious, started using "Cal Plus" which is an AI scanner. Might lack a bit of accuracy but it is the only way I can willingly keep tracking my food each day. Happy to share the csv file from the app if beneficial.
- Average Calories: 3056.4cal.
- Average Daily Macros: Protein = 200g. Carbs = 278g. Fats = 131g.
- Diet is a lot cleaner in terms of eliminating saturated fat and eating a more balanced diet.
Substances:
- Still 'natural' at the moment, just taking a bunch of over the counter supplements.
- Pivoting away from test/var due to naturally high test, young age, and heavy side effects.
- Very keen on a cjc+ipamorelin+lcarnitine cycle. This may not produce huge muscle growth or "shred" my fat but it seems smarter to stick to something with very few serious side effects, and a lot of bonus benefits to sleep, hair, skin, etc.

Next week:
Training: 3 x Full Body sessions. Looking forward to trying this out, pushing hard for one day then having the next day for active recovery. Might add a few ml cialis preworkout to get a nice pump.
Diet: Keeping it clean, trying out coconut water to drink during workouts (with salt added as usual).
Substances: Still holding off for now, but eyeing either Monday 9th as a potential start to cjc/ipa/carn. Still open to all opinions and alternative options but it seems hard to beat that combo in terms of benefits/cost/longevity/side effects.

are you able to use an app for diet? @treebeard would help us track your macros properly with food

and training not clear at all actual reps sets cardio etc

 

[stevesmi]

Week 1 Natty Update:
Training:
- Reduced training from 5-6 days a week to 3-4 days a week at a higher intensity, which worked better.
- Split was 1)Push 2)Pull 3)Legs 4)Core+WeakPoints.
- HRV hit 76ms, (above 75ms for the first time this year, good sign).
Diet:
- Tried logging with chronometer but it got way too laborious, started using "Cal Plus" which is an AI scanner. Might lack a bit of accuracy but it is the only way I can willingly keep tracking my food each day. Happy to share the csv file from the app if beneficial.
- Average Calories: 3056.4cal.
- Average Daily Macros: Protein = 200g. Carbs = 278g. Fats = 131g.
- Diet is a lot cleaner in terms of eliminating saturated fat and eating a more balanced diet.
Substances:
- Still 'natural' at the moment, just taking a bunch of over the counter supplements.
- Pivoting away from test/var due to naturally high test, young age, and heavy side effects.
- Very keen on a cjc+ipamorelin+lcarnitine cycle. This may not produce huge muscle growth or "shred" my fat but it seems smarter to stick to something with very few serious side effects, and a lot of bonus benefits to sleep, hair, skin, etc.

Next week:
Training: 3 x Full Body sessions. Looking forward to trying this out, pushing hard for one day then having the next day for active recovery. Might add a few ml cialis preworkout to get a nice pump.
Diet: Keeping it clean, trying out coconut water to drink during workouts (with salt added as usual).
Substances: Still holding off for now, but eyeing either Monday 9th as a potential start to cjc/ipa/carn. Still open to all opinions and alternative options but it seems hard to beat that combo in terms of benefits/cost/longevity/side effects.

@treebeard the training diet is looking really good. I really like the different things that you're putting together.

 

[ceo]

Week 1 Natty Update:
Training:
- Reduced training from 5-6 days a week to 3-4 days a week at a higher intensity, which worked better.
- Split was 1)Push 2)Pull 3)Legs 4)Core+WeakPoints.
- HRV hit 76ms, (above 75ms for the first time this year, good sign).
Diet:
- Tried logging with chronometer but it got way too laborious, started using "Cal Plus" which is an AI scanner. Might lack a bit of accuracy but it is the only way I can willingly keep tracking my food each day. Happy to share the csv file from the app if beneficial.
- Average Calories: 3056.4cal.
- Average Daily Macros: Protein = 200g. Carbs = 278g. Fats = 131g.
- Diet is a lot cleaner in terms of eliminating saturated fat and eating a more balanced diet.
Substances:
- Still 'natural' at the moment, just taking a bunch of over the counter supplements.
- Pivoting away from test/var due to naturally high test, young age, and heavy side effects.
- Very keen on a cjc+ipamorelin+lcarnitine cycle. This may not produce huge muscle growth or "shred" my fat but it seems smarter to stick to something with very few serious side effects, and a lot of bonus benefits to sleep, hair, skin, etc.

Next week:
Training: 3 x Full Body sessions. Looking forward to trying this out, pushing hard for one day then having the next day for active recovery. Might add a few ml cialis preworkout to get a nice pump.
Diet: Keeping it clean, trying out coconut water to drink during workouts (with salt added as usual).
Substances: Still holding off for now, but eyeing either Monday 9th as a potential start to cjc/ipa/carn. Still open to all opinions and alternative options but it seems hard to beat that combo in terms of benefits/cost/longevity/side effects.

Bros, the training diet and substances looking fantastic. That's what we like to see. @treebeard

 

[ROIDDERS]

Week 1 Natty Update:
Training:
- Reduced training from 5-6 days a week to 3-4 days a week at a higher intensity, which worked better.
- Split was 1)Push 2)Pull 3)Legs 4)Core+WeakPoints.
- HRV hit 76ms, (above 75ms for the first time this year, good sign).
Diet:
- Tried logging with chronometer but it got way too laborious, started using "Cal Plus" which is an AI scanner. Might lack a bit of accuracy but it is the only way I can willingly keep tracking my food each day. Happy to share the csv file from the app if beneficial.
- Average Calories: 3056.4cal.
- Average Daily Macros: Protein = 200g. Carbs = 278g. Fats = 131g.
- Diet is a lot cleaner in terms of eliminating saturated fat and eating a more balanced diet.
Substances:
- Still 'natural' at the moment, just taking a bunch of over the counter supplements.
- Pivoting away from test/var due to naturally high test, young age, and heavy side effects.
- Very keen on a cjc+ipamorelin+lcarnitine cycle. This may not produce huge muscle growth or "shred" my fat but it seems smarter to stick to something with very few serious side effects, and a lot of bonus benefits to sleep, hair, skin, etc.

Next week:
Training: 3 x Full Body sessions. Looking forward to trying this out, pushing hard for one day then having the next day for active recovery. Might add a few ml cialis preworkout to get a nice pump.
Diet: Keeping it clean, trying out coconut water to drink during workouts (with salt added as usual).
Substances: Still holding off for now, but eyeing either Monday 9th as a potential start to cjc/ipa/carn. Still open to all opinions and alternative options but it seems hard to beat that combo in terms of benefits/cost/longevity/side effects.

Good job on this different training diet and how you add the substances. @treebeard nothing wrong with some over-the-counter supplements.

 

[Ulter]

Week 1 Natty Update:
Training:
- Reduced training from 5-6 days a week to 3-4 days a week at a higher intensity, which worked better.
- Split was 1)Push 2)Pull 3)Legs 4)Core+WeakPoints.
- HRV hit 76ms, (above 75ms for the first time this year, good sign).
Diet:
- Tried logging with chronometer but it got way too laborious, started using "Cal Plus" which is an AI scanner. Might lack a bit of accuracy but it is the only way I can willingly keep tracking my food each day. Happy to share the csv file from the app if beneficial.
- Average Calories: 3056.4cal.
- Average Daily Macros: Protein = 200g. Carbs = 278g. Fats = 131g.
- Diet is a lot cleaner in terms of eliminating saturated fat and eating a more balanced diet.
Substances:
- Still 'natural' at the moment, just taking a bunch of over the counter supplements.
- Pivoting away from test/var due to naturally high test, young age, and heavy side effects.
- Very keen on a cjc+ipamorelin+lcarnitine cycle. This may not produce huge muscle growth or "shred" my fat but it seems smarter to stick to something with very few serious side effects, and a lot of bonus benefits to sleep, hair, skin, etc.

Next week:
Training: 3 x Full Body sessions. Looking forward to trying this out, pushing hard for one day then having the next day for active recovery. Might add a few ml cialis preworkout to get a nice pump.
Diet: Keeping it clean, trying out coconut water to drink during workouts (with salt added as usual).
Substances: Still holding off for now, but eyeing either Monday 9th as a potential start to cjc/ipa/carn. Still open to all opinions and alternative options but it seems hard to beat that combo in terms of benefits/cost/longevity/side effects.

@treebeard the diet definitely looks terrific. Nice job on this and I like the split routine you're doing as well.

 

[2Thick]

Week 1 Natty Update:
Training:
- Reduced training from 5-6 days a week to 3-4 days a week at a higher intensity, which worked better.
- Split was 1)Push 2)Pull 3)Legs 4)Core+WeakPoints.
- HRV hit 76ms, (above 75ms for the first time this year, good sign).
Diet:
- Tried logging with chronometer but it got way too laborious, started using "Cal Plus" which is an AI scanner. Might lack a bit of accuracy but it is the only way I can willingly keep tracking my food each day. Happy to share the csv file from the app if beneficial.
- Average Calories: 3056.4cal.
- Average Daily Macros: Protein = 200g. Carbs = 278g. Fats = 131g.
- Diet is a lot cleaner in terms of eliminating saturated fat and eating a more balanced diet.
Substances:
- Still 'natural' at the moment, just taking a bunch of over the counter supplements.
- Pivoting away from test/var due to naturally high test, young age, and heavy side effects.
- Very keen on a cjc+ipamorelin+lcarnitine cycle. This may not produce huge muscle growth or "shred" my fat but it seems smarter to stick to something with very few serious side effects, and a lot of bonus benefits to sleep, hair, skin, etc.

Next week:
Training: 3 x Full Body sessions. Looking forward to trying this out, pushing hard for one day then having the next day for active recovery. Might add a few ml cialis preworkout to get a nice pump.
Diet: Keeping it clean, trying out coconut water to drink during workouts (with salt added as usual).
Substances: Still holding off for now, but eyeing either Monday 9th as a potential start to cjc/ipa/carn. Still open to all opinions and alternative options but it seems hard to beat that combo in terms of benefits/cost/longevity/side effects.

Nice layout on the training, the diet, and the substances that you're taking. Really good on the electrolyte drink as well. I have to try that mix sometime with the coconut and electrolytes. @treebeard

 

[treebeard]

@LevButlerov
I'm using calplus.app (can paste that link into browser) for diet. I've attached a screenshot of the CSV export from the app, which I started properly logging from Wednesday 25th Feb. Ignore the "Meal type" section as I log multiple meals at the same time. Average calories and macros for last week are based off Wednesday to Sunday.

For training I've just recently created a spreadsheet to log exercises/weight/reps, so I'll attach a screenshot of that at the end of this week once I get some more sessions logged in there.

Cheers for the comments from other lads

 

[Mobster]

We'd prefer home made food there ARE apps which scan labels

 

[treebeard]

We'd prefer home made food there ARE apps which scan labels

Sorry I'm not sure what you mean, 90% of my meals are homemade (or use individual ingredients), do you mean scanning the individual ingredient labels, e.g the kefir bottle itself?

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov
I'm using calplus.app (can paste that link into browser) for diet. I've attached a screenshot of the CSV export from the app, which I started properly logging from Wednesday 25th Feb. Ignore the "Meal type" section as I log multiple meals at the same time. Average calories and macros for last week are based off Wednesday to Sunday.

For training I've just recently created a spreadsheet to log exercises/weight/reps, so I'll attach a screenshot of that at the end of this week once I get some more sessions logged in there.

Cheers for the comments from other lads

thats hard to read the worksheet you doing the app can you screenshot it? @treebeard

 

[waggat]

Week 1 Natty Update:
Training:
- Reduced training from 5-6 days a week to 3-4 days a week at a higher intensity, which worked better.
- Split was 1)Push 2)Pull 3)Legs 4)Core+WeakPoints.
- HRV hit 76ms, (above 75ms for the first time this year, good sign).
Diet:
- Tried logging with chronometer but it got way too laborious, started using "Cal Plus" which is an AI scanner. Might lack a bit of accuracy but it is the only way I can willingly keep tracking my food each day. Happy to share the csv file from the app if beneficial.
- Average Calories: 3056.4cal.
- Average Daily Macros: Protein = 200g. Carbs = 278g. Fats = 131g.
- Diet is a lot cleaner in terms of eliminating saturated fat and eating a more balanced diet.
Substances:
- Still 'natural' at the moment, just taking a bunch of over the counter supplements.
- Pivoting away from test/var due to naturally high test, young age, and heavy side effects.
- Very keen on a cjc+ipamorelin+lcarnitine cycle. This may not produce huge muscle growth or "shred" my fat but it seems smarter to stick to something with very few serious side effects, and a lot of bonus benefits to sleep, hair, skin, etc.

Next week:
Training: 3 x Full Body sessions. Looking forward to trying this out, pushing hard for one day then having the next day for active recovery. Might add a few ml cialis preworkout to get a nice pump.
Diet: Keeping it clean, trying out coconut water to drink during workouts (with salt added as usual).
Substances: Still holding off for now, but eyeing either Monday 9th as a potential start to cjc/ipa/carn. Still open to all opinions and alternative options but it seems hard to beat that combo in terms of benefits/cost/longevity/side effects.

Not the biggest fan of full body workouts for bodybuilding. Dropping to three days per week could help reduce fatigue if you have been overtraining. Can see this being the case if you were doing PPLR. I'd at least go upper lower 4 days per week.

 

[treebeard]

thats hard to read the worksheet you doing the app can you screenshot it? @treebeard

Not sure if this is what you're after but I've screenshotted all days since I started tracking from Wednesday. The app clearly isn't very optimized for sharing data and it doesn't really give any more information other than the macros, may have to potentially switch to a different platform.
- I can only attach 10 files so I'll attach the remaining four in the next reply.

 

[treebeard]

Rest of screenshots.

 

[treebeard]

Not the biggest fan of full body workouts for bodybuilding. Dropping to three days per week could help reduce fatigue if you have been overtraining. Can see this being the case if you were doing PPLR. I'd at least go upper lower 4 days per week.

That does make sense, especially if/when I'm on something that helps recovery like peptides or test. For private reasons I can only access the gym Monday to Friday, so a 4 day split would work, I reckon PPRLU might be better than ULRUL as someone looking to prioritise the upper body and aesthetic muscles over big legs?
I try to do sprints/hiit/runs/sport for around 30mins on Saturday where possible on top of daily walking/cycling.

 

[treebeard]

Not sure if this is what you're after but I've screenshotted all days since I started tracking from Wednesday. The app clearly isn't very optimized for sharing data and it doesn't really give any more information other than the macros, may have to potentially switch to a different platform.
- I can only attach 10 files so I'll attach the remaining four in the next reply.

Also the screenshots show the "remaining targets", the daily targets are Cals:3110kcal, Protein:185g, Carbs:294g, Fats: 86g.

 

[waggat]

That does make sense, especially if/when I'm on something that helps recovery like peptides or test. For private reasons I can only access the gym Monday to Friday, so a 4 day split would work, I reckon PPRLU might be better than ULRUL as someone looking to prioritise the upper body and aesthetic muscles over big legs?
I try to do sprints/hiit/runs/sport for around 30mins on Saturday where possible on top of daily walking/cycling.

Hey mate, yeah I think UL split is generally slightly too leg dominant. But then PPRLU might be going too far the other way but ok if you legit don't need the leg work. But remember, leg training helps with overall development by providing a systemic stress (like the studies show if you only train legs the other muscles will grow a bit). Other option is PPL 4 of the 5 days and just cycle through it.

Also the screenshots show the "remaining targets", the daily targets are Cals:3110kcal, Protein:185g, Carbs:294g, Fats: 86g.

Need that protein to be at least 200 I think. Can drop carbs slightly to compensate.

 

[LevButlerov]

Not sure if this is what you're after but I've screenshotted all days since I started tracking from Wednesday. The app clearly isn't very optimized for sharing data and it doesn't really give any more information other than the macros, may have to potentially switch to a different platform.
- I can only attach 10 files so I'll attach the remaining four in the next reply.

Rest of screenshots.

i checked all but hard to understand does it have total macros? @treebeard

 

[treebeard]

Hey mate, yeah I think UL split is generally slightly too leg dominant. But then PPRLU might be going too far the other way but ok if you legit don't need the leg work. But remember, leg training helps with overall development by providing a systemic stress (like the studies show if you only train legs the other muscles will grow a bit). Other option is PPL 4 of the 5 days and just cycle through it.

Need that protein to be at least 200 I think. Can drop carbs slightly to compensate.

Sounds good, I'll probably rotate between PPRLU and 'PPLR cycle'. And yeah the app targets are just random numbers that I can't manually change, I'll generally aim for 200 protein and lower carbs anyways.

 

[treebeard]

i checked all but hard to understand does it have total macros? @treebeard

To be honest I think this app is a bit limited, I think I'm gonna switch to a different one from today.

 

[waggat]

To be honest I think this app is a bit limited, I think I'm gonna switch to a different one from today.

Those are actual daily intakes right? I'd be looking at limiting fat to 100 and getting protein to 200-220. Then adjust carbs to suit.

 

[LevButlerov]

To be honest I think this app is a bit limited, I think I'm gonna switch to a different one from today.

can you try myfitnesspal? @treebeard

 

[ballin2504]

Week 1 Natty Update:
Training:
- Reduced training from 5-6 days a week to 3-4 days a week at a higher intensity, which worked better.
- Split was 1)Push 2)Pull 3)Legs 4)Core+WeakPoints.
- HRV hit 76ms, (above 75ms for the first time this year, good sign).
Diet:
- Tried logging with chronometer but it got way too laborious, started using "Cal Plus" which is an AI scanner. Might lack a bit of accuracy but it is the only way I can willingly keep tracking my food each day. Happy to share the csv file from the app if beneficial.
- Average Calories: 3056.4cal.
- Average Daily Macros: Protein = 200g. Carbs = 278g. Fats = 131g.
- Diet is a lot cleaner in terms of eliminating saturated fat and eating a more balanced diet.
Substances:
- Still 'natural' at the moment, just taking a bunch of over the counter supplements.
- Pivoting away from test/var due to naturally high test, young age, and heavy side effects.
- Very keen on a cjc+ipamorelin+lcarnitine cycle. This may not produce huge muscle growth or "shred" my fat but it seems smarter to stick to something with very few serious side effects, and a lot of bonus benefits to sleep, hair, skin, etc.

Next week:
Training: 3 x Full Body sessions. Looking forward to trying this out, pushing hard for one day then having the next day for active recovery. Might add a few ml cialis preworkout to get a nice pump.
Diet: Keeping it clean, trying out coconut water to drink during workouts (with salt added as usual).
Substances: Still holding off for now, but eyeing either Monday 9th as a potential start to cjc/ipa/carn. Still open to all opinions and alternative options but it seems hard to beat that combo in terms of benefits/cost/longevity/side effects.

@treebeard nice update man. Keep up the good work.

 

[treebeard]

can you try myfitnesspal? @treebeard

Yep I've logged two days with MFP now and will continue doing so.

I'm pretty keen to start peptides next Monday (aus time) so I'd need to order in the next 12 hours or so to get it in time.
I'm thinking of just buying one vial of 5mg/5mg cjc(no dac)/ipamorelin (with bac, needles, etc). This would let me test things out for 2 weeks, then assuming all goes well stock up on more, plus potentially add injectable l-carnitine or look into other additions.
What do you guys reckon @LevButlerov @waggat , or anyone else?

 

[LevButlerov]

Yep I've logged two days with MFP now and will continue doing so.

I'm pretty keen to start peptides next Monday (aus time) so I'd need to order in the next 12 hours or so to get it in time.
I'm thinking of just buying one vial of 5mg/5mg cjc(no dac)/ipamorelin (with bac, needles, etc). This would let me test things out for 2 weeks, then assuming all goes well stock up on more, plus potentially add injectable l-carnitine or look into other additions.
What do you guys reckon @LevButlerov @waggat , or anyone else?

lets try mfp and upload the results @treebeard
why cjc ipam? what is your reasoning for it?

 

[treebeard]

lets try mfp and upload the results @treebeard
why cjc ipam? what is your reasoning for it?

I've attached past two days with mfp, just checking this is what you're after?

Reasoning for cjc/ipa:
- The combination of both to increase growth hormone pulses whilst sleeping, improve deep sleep and recovery, should contribute to a subtle body recomp by increasing fat loss and protein synthesis, the non-bodybuilding bonus benefits to hair/skin/tendons/aging, follows the body's natural rhythm and doesn't shut down the pituitary, doesn't have extra risks with my bloodwork (cholesterol, thalassemia).
- All without spiking any negative factors significantly e.g prolactin, cortisol, acne, bloating, insulin sensitivity.
- It just seems like the right decision that aligns with my goals and situation at the moment, and its a relatively low risk way to get into the world of daily injections.
- My source doesn't have cjc/ipa in stock right now though so I wouldn't be able to start until mid next week anyways.

 

[LevButlerov]

I've attached past two days with mfp, just checking this is what you're after?

Reasoning for cjc/ipa:
- The combination of both to increase growth hormone pulses whilst sleeping, improve deep sleep and recovery, should contribute to a subtle body recomp by increasing fat loss and protein synthesis, the non-bodybuilding bonus benefits to hair/skin/tendons/aging, follows the body's natural rhythm and doesn't shut down the pituitary, doesn't have extra risks with my bloodwork (cholesterol, thalassemia).
- All without spiking any negative factors significantly e.g prolactin, cortisol, acne, bloating, insulin sensitivity.
- It just seems like the right decision that aligns with my goals and situation at the moment, and its a relatively low risk way to get into the world of daily injections.
- My source doesn't have cjc/ipa in stock right now though so I wouldn't be able to start until mid next week anyways.

I'm trying to see actual foods with macros to dial down timing of your carbs and protein and fats @treebeard

On the peptides cjc/ipamorelin do work, want to see how you do with them.

 

[treebeard]

Week 2 (Still Natty) Update:

Training:

- 3 x Full Body Workouts, M/W/F. Data sheet screenshot shows the exercises I did on Monday and Wednesday.
- Felt good Monday and Wednesday, Friday I had shit sleep prior, weak session, didn't record my weights/reps.
- Photo on the right is my pump after Wednesday's session, could I get my profile pic updated if that's how it works @LevButlerov
- Attached a screenshot of my makeshift Google sheet where I log the weight and reps of my best set of each exercise each day, it looks a bit shit rn but hopefully over time I can start to see the data points for each exercise slowly move up. (Ignore the grand total section).

Diet:

- Screenshot of weight since before this log attached to the right side of the page.
- Starting logging in MyFitnessPal. Attached screenshots of the data, hopefully this is useful.
- Intra workout Coconut water/salt/lime/water helped keep energy stable during workouts.

Upcoming week:
- Training: PPLRU.
- Sorting out sourcing for CJC/IPA and injection supplies, starting either in roughly 4 days or 8 days, probably run that daily before bed for two weeks on its own and then look to add in something like injectable L-carnitine or something else.
Training: PPLRU.

 

[LevButlerov]

Week 2 (Still Natty) Update:

Training: View attachment 195366
- 3 x Full Body Workouts, M/W/F. Data sheet screenshot shows the exercises I did on Monday and Wednesday.
- Felt good Monday and Wednesday, Friday I had shit sleep prior, weak session, didn't record my weights/reps.
- Photo on the right is my pump after Wednesday's session, could I get my profile pic updated if that's how it works @LevButlerov
- Attached a screenshot of my makeshift Google sheet where I log the weight and reps of my best set of each exercise each day, it looks a bit shit rn but hopefully over time I can start to see the data points for each exercise slowly move up. (Ignore the grand total section).

View attachment 195311



















Diet:View attachment 195336
- Screenshot of weight since before this log attached to the right side of the page.
- Starting logging in MyFitnessPal. Attached screenshots of the data, hopefully this is useful.
- Intra workout Coconut water/salt/lime/water helped keep energy stable during workouts.

Upcoming week:
- Training: PPLRU.
- Sorting out sourcing for CJC/IPA and injection supplies, starting either in roughly 4 days or 8 days, probably run that daily before bed for two weeks on its own and then look to add in something like injectable L-carnitine or something else.
Training: PPLRU.

Good update you're looking shredded @treebeard truly making some progress, if you need avatar change DM me please

on the diet, we need to see food go up, if I read your ws right you're at the 2-300 carb level, for your size to gain we need to be at 400-600 level easy and pump up protein a bit too.

how many reps are you doing on the training? im not clear on the ws sorry

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Coolguy @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67 @codezz @Yuri @MarkNV

 

[waggat]

Week 2 (Still Natty) Update:

Training: View attachment 195366
- 3 x Full Body Workouts, M/W/F. Data sheet screenshot shows the exercises I did on Monday and Wednesday.
- Felt good Monday and Wednesday, Friday I had shit sleep prior, weak session, didn't record my weights/reps.
- Photo on the right is my pump after Wednesday's session, could I get my profile pic updated if that's how it works @LevButlerov
- Attached a screenshot of my makeshift Google sheet where I log the weight and reps of my best set of each exercise each day, it looks a bit shit rn but hopefully over time I can start to see the data points for each exercise slowly move up. (Ignore the grand total section).

View attachment 195311



















Diet:View attachment 195336
- Screenshot of weight since before this log attached to the right side of the page.
- Starting logging in MyFitnessPal. Attached screenshots of the data, hopefully this is useful.
- Intra workout Coconut water/salt/lime/water helped keep energy stable during workouts.

Upcoming week:
- Training: PPLRU.
- Sorting out sourcing for CJC/IPA and injection supplies, starting either in roughly 4 days or 8 days, probably run that daily before bed for two weeks on its own and then look to add in something like injectable L-carnitine or something else.
Training: PPLRU.

Looking good in the photo mate.

Weight appears to be trending up slightly which is good.

You've got good exercises on those full body days but happy to see you go to PPLRU.

 

[treebeard]

on the diet, we need to see food go up, if I read your ws right you're at the 2-300 carb level, for your size to gain we need to be at 400-600 level easy and pump up protein a bit too.

how many reps are you doing on the training? im not clear on the ws sorry

- It looks like MFP is automatically raising my calories and macros a bit. Ever since stopping college sport I've been fairly anti-carb (or more pro protein/fat) for a variety of reasons, I'd rather stick to around 300-400 consumed primarily before and after workouts.
- The overarching goal is a subtle body recomp to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time - Unfortunately I can't really afford to gain much fat for my career/lifestyle, but it would be great to build more muscle and aesthetic size. Hopefully cjc/ipa + maybe l-carnitine can achieve this gradually whilst eating around maintenance.
- With the training screenshot that's my bad I didn't include the reps, I'll add a screenshot with some of my recent sets (just the best set per exercise for weight/reps). I've never been one to lift super heavy or go for PRs so my lifts are relatively weak.

 

[LevButlerov]

- It looks like MFP is automatically raising my calories and macros a bit. Ever since stopping college sport I've been fairly anti-carb (or more pro protein/fat) for a variety of reasons, I'd rather stick to around 300-400 consumed primarily before and after workouts.
- The overarching goal is a subtle body recomp to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time - Unfortunately I can't really afford to gain much fat for my career/lifestyle, but it would be great to build more muscle and aesthetic size. Hopefully cjc/ipa + maybe l-carnitine can achieve this gradually whilst eating around maintenance.
- With the training screenshot that's my bad I didn't include the reps, I'll add a screenshot with some of my recent sets (just the best set per exercise for weight/reps). I've never been one to lift super heavy or go for PRs so my lifts are relatively weak.

training seems good how much cardio? @treebeard
but i dont understand what do you mean myfitnesspal is upping your macros? lets see the foods please and you dont need to be anti carb nothing wrong with them when you train cycle diet

 

[treebeard]

Week 3 (Still Natty) Update:
Been super busy so bit of a late update.

Training:
Push/Pull/Legs/Rest/Upper Monday to Friday split, active recovery on weekend. 3 days in a row was not ideal but had no choice with my schedule, I felt a bit less primed for that leg session and Friday's session I kept it lighter due to a late night the night before (no alcohol though).
Added screenshots of weights and exercises.

Diet:
Attached some screenshots from MFP from the past week. Tried to increase the carbs a bit, keeping the protein above 200 grams and fat around 100 grams. Weight is consistent above 80kgs now.

Upcoming Week:
- Push/Pull//Rest/Legs/Upper Monday to Friday split, active recovery on weekend.
- Adding in a few sprints after Tuesday's session to boost hormones and stay 'athletic' before Wednesday rest day, will also probably do a few sprints before Saturday before Sunday rest day.
- Still currently natty but likely to start CJC/IPA by the end of the week.

 

[treebeard]

training seems good how much cardio? @treebeard
but i dont understand what do you mean myfitnesspal is upping your macros? lets see the foods please and you dont need to be anti carb nothing wrong with them when you train cycle diet

I do 20-30mins cycling on a push bike nearly every day, not super intense or anything. My daily step count from walking ranges from 5,000 to 10,000. I try to get in one or two light recovery jogs on my rest days. With the macros I think I meant that if MFP sees my step count is above normal it increases the calories slightly, unfortunately it doesn't factor in biking etc. so I just stick to the targets regardless, generally eat a bit more on workout days and a bit less on rest days.

 

[LevButlerov]

I do 20-30mins cycling on a push bike nearly every day, not super intense or anything. My daily step count from walking ranges from 5,000 to 10,000. I try to get in one or two light recovery jogs on my rest days. With the macros I think I meant that if MFP sees my step count is above normal it increases the calories slightly, unfortunately it doesn't factor in biking etc. so I just stick to the targets regardless, generally eat a bit more on workout days and a bit less on rest days.

not bad lets try to get light cardio in too more

 

[LevButlerov]

Week 3 (Still Natty) Update:
Been super busy so bit of a late update.

Training:
Push/Pull/Legs/Rest/Upper Monday to Friday split, active recovery on weekend. 3 days in a row was not ideal but had no choice with my schedule, I felt a bit less primed for that leg session and Friday's session I kept it lighter due to a late night the night before (no alcohol though).
Added screenshots of weights and exercises.
View attachment 200359

Diet:
Attached some screenshots from MFP from the past week. Tried to increase the carbs a bit, keeping the protein above 200 grams and fat around 100 grams. Weight is consistent above 80kgs now.
View attachment 200358View attachment 200334

Upcoming Week:
- Push/Pull//Rest/Legs/Upper Monday to Friday split, active recovery on weekend.
- Adding in a few sprints after Tuesday's session to boost hormones and stay 'athletic' before Wednesday rest day, will also probably do a few sprints before Saturday before Sunday rest day.
- Still currently natty but likely to start CJC/IPA by the end of the week.

still natty is good I like your food but carbs and protein should go way up IMO

 

[Mobster]

Daily updates take less than 5 minutes

 

[stevesmi]

Week 3 (Still Natty) Update:
Been super busy so bit of a late update.

Training:
Push/Pull/Legs/Rest/Upper Monday to Friday split, active recovery on weekend. 3 days in a row was not ideal but had no choice with my schedule, I felt a bit less primed for that leg session and Friday's session I kept it lighter due to a late night the night before (no alcohol though).
Added screenshots of weights and exercises.
View attachment 200359

Diet:
Attached some screenshots from MFP from the past week. Tried to increase the carbs a bit, keeping the protein above 200 grams and fat around 100 grams. Weight is consistent above 80kgs now.
View attachment 200358View attachment 200334

Upcoming Week:
- Push/Pull//Rest/Legs/Upper Monday to Friday split, active recovery on weekend.
- Adding in a few sprints after Tuesday's session to boost hormones and stay 'athletic' before Wednesday rest day, will also probably do a few sprints before Saturday before Sunday rest day.
- Still currently natty but likely to start CJC/IPA by the end of the week.

@treebeard This split routine looks terrific. I like the way you structure things and I like the way you handle the weekends. It's good to stay consistent.

 

[2Thick]

Week 3 (Still Natty) Update:
Been super busy so bit of a late update.

Training:
Push/Pull/Legs/Rest/Upper Monday to Friday split, active recovery on weekend. 3 days in a row was not ideal but had no choice with my schedule, I felt a bit less primed for that leg session and Friday's session I kept it lighter due to a late night the night before (no alcohol though).
Added screenshots of weights and exercises.
View attachment 200359

Diet:
Attached some screenshots from MFP from the past week. Tried to increase the carbs a bit, keeping the protein above 200 grams and fat around 100 grams. Weight is consistent above 80kgs now.
View attachment 200358View attachment 200334

Upcoming Week:
- Push/Pull//Rest/Legs/Upper Monday to Friday split, active recovery on weekend.
- Adding in a few sprints after Tuesday's session to boost hormones and stay 'athletic' before Wednesday rest day, will also probably do a few sprints before Saturday before Sunday rest day.
- Still currently natty but likely to start CJC/IPA by the end of the week.

Great job on this. I like how you lay out your diet and you stay consistent with it. And it seems like your weight is really staying in order as well as you go. @treebeard

 

[Ulter]

Week 3 (Still Natty) Update:
Been super busy so bit of a late update.

Training:
Push/Pull/Legs/Rest/Upper Monday to Friday split, active recovery on weekend. 3 days in a row was not ideal but had no choice with my schedule, I felt a bit less primed for that leg session and Friday's session I kept it lighter due to a late night the night before (no alcohol though).
Added screenshots of weights and exercises.
View attachment 200359

Diet:
Attached some screenshots from MFP from the past week. Tried to increase the carbs a bit, keeping the protein above 200 grams and fat around 100 grams. Weight is consistent above 80kgs now.
View attachment 200358View attachment 200334

Upcoming Week:
- Push/Pull//Rest/Legs/Upper Monday to Friday split, active recovery on weekend.
- Adding in a few sprints after Tuesday's session to boost hormones and stay 'athletic' before Wednesday rest day, will also probably do a few sprints before Saturday before Sunday rest day.
- Still currently natty but likely to start CJC/IPA by the end of the week.

That's what we like to see the sprints are looking really good that's a great way to build up conditioning fast I'm much rather do that than boring treadmill @treebeard

 

[ceo]

I do 20-30mins cycling on a push bike nearly every day, not super intense or anything. My daily step count from walking ranges from 5,000 to 10,000. I try to get in one or two light recovery jogs on my rest days. With the macros I think I meant that if MFP sees my step count is above normal it increases the calories slightly, unfortunately it doesn't factor in biking etc. so I just stick to the targets regardless, generally eat a bit more on workout days and a bit less on rest days.

@treebeard Bros, I got a lot of respect for that. You dedicating the time, that's the key. A lot of people don't dedicate the time to this stuff and they don't see the results they want.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Week 3 (Still Natty) Update:
Been super busy so bit of a late update.

Training:
Push/Pull/Legs/Rest/Upper Monday to Friday split, active recovery on weekend. 3 days in a row was not ideal but had no choice with my schedule, I felt a bit less primed for that leg session and Friday's session I kept it lighter due to a late night the night before (no alcohol though).
Added screenshots of weights and exercises.
View attachment 200359

Diet:
Attached some screenshots from MFP from the past week. Tried to increase the carbs a bit, keeping the protein above 200 grams and fat around 100 grams. Weight is consistent above 80kgs now.
View attachment 200358View attachment 200334

Upcoming Week:
- Push/Pull//Rest/Legs/Upper Monday to Friday split, active recovery on weekend.
- Adding in a few sprints after Tuesday's session to boost hormones and stay 'athletic' before Wednesday rest day, will also probably do a few sprints before Saturday before Sunday rest day.
- Still currently natty but likely to start CJC/IPA by the end of the week.

Wow, this is an amazing job. Your upcoming week training is on point. Monday through Friday, an absolute massacre on your muscles. @treebeard

 

[RoySimpson]

Week 3 (Still Natty) Update:
Been super busy so bit of a late update.

Training:
Push/Pull/Legs/Rest/Upper Monday to Friday split, active recovery on weekend. 3 days in a row was not ideal but had no choice with my schedule, I felt a bit less primed for that leg session and Friday's session I kept it lighter due to a late night the night before (no alcohol though).
Added screenshots of weights and exercises.
View attachment 200359

Diet:
Attached some screenshots from MFP from the past week. Tried to increase the carbs a bit, keeping the protein above 200 grams and fat around 100 grams. Weight is consistent above 80kgs now.
View attachment 200358View attachment 200334

Upcoming Week:
- Push/Pull//Rest/Legs/Upper Monday to Friday split, active recovery on weekend.
- Adding in a few sprints after Tuesday's session to boost hormones and stay 'athletic' before Wednesday rest day, will also probably do a few sprints before Saturday before Sunday rest day.
- Still currently natty but likely to start CJC/IPA by the end of the week.

@treebeard Awesome update right here bro!

 

[ballin2504]

Week 3 (Still Natty) Update:
Been super busy so bit of a late update.

Training:
Push/Pull/Legs/Rest/Upper Monday to Friday split, active recovery on weekend. 3 days in a row was not ideal but had no choice with my schedule, I felt a bit less primed for that leg session and Friday's session I kept it lighter due to a late night the night before (no alcohol though).
Added screenshots of weights and exercises.
View attachment 200359

Diet:
Attached some screenshots from MFP from the past week. Tried to increase the carbs a bit, keeping the protein above 200 grams and fat around 100 grams. Weight is consistent above 80kgs now.
View attachment 200358View attachment 200334

Upcoming Week:
- Push/Pull//Rest/Legs/Upper Monday to Friday split, active recovery on weekend.
- Adding in a few sprints after Tuesday's session to boost hormones and stay 'athletic' before Wednesday rest day, will also probably do a few sprints before Saturday before Sunday rest day.
- Still currently natty but likely to start CJC/IPA by the end of the week.

@TREE ears looks like it’s going great man. Way to keep pushing hard.

 

[treebeard]

Week 4 (Started CJC/IPA) Update:

Training:
- Push/Pull/Rest/Legs/Upper Monday to Friday split, hill sprints on Saturday. This was a good split and if my schedule didn't change each week I would probably stick to this for a while. Next week I can hit the same split though which is good.
- Added screenshots of some exercises and weights.
- I never really go to "true" failure in the gym but 20kg per-side dumbell lateral raises and 80kg incline smith machine are both technically personal records and the weight moved pretty well for both.

Diet:

- Attached some screenshots from MFP from the past week.
- I believe everything is fairly within range of goals, not perfect but pretty good. Tried to slightly increase protein by having 2 scoops of earth protein powder in my post gym shake instead of 1, and just bought a rice cooker to add another source of carbs.

Substances:
- Started cjc/ipamorelin, see post below.

Upcoming Week:
- Push/Pull/Rest/Legs/Upper Monday to Friday split, sprints Saturday, active recovery jogs on Wednesday and Sunday, cycling and walking every day.
- Can the Log title be changed because I don't expect to be going near test or anavar anytime soon @LevButlerov

 

[treebeard]

Substances: Now this is where it gets interesting (at least to me).

- On Thursday night I started injecting cjc/ipamorelin at 100mcg/100mcg every night fasted 30 minutes before bed.
- I personally have a very irrational fear of needles so even the tiny 31g 6mm needles make me grimace even though I can hardly feel a thing.
- Haven't noticed any significant effects yet, my sleep was very good the start of the week and just felt the same the past few nights.
- Once I hit 9 days in a row, I plan on doing 100mcg/100mcg 5 days on, 2 days off to keep the pituitary sensitive.
- I don't want to think too far ahead in case things don't go as planned but I plan to run the 5/2 schedule for 14 weeks in total.

Suggestions:
- I'm open to suggestions: looking to add another substance/compound to the cjc/ipa protocol, I feel like I'm leaving aesthetic progress on the table. Nothing suppressive or with significant side effects.
- Looking for something that works with cjc/ipa to improve muscle growth, fat loss, and overall body recomposition and aesthetics.
- I have a rough plan to take ghkcu/bpc (and raloxifene for gyno) once I stop cjc/ipa, and then after a few months probably do some kind of cut protocol to get shredded by December such as ipamorelin+tesamorelin.
- L-Carnitine: Injectable LC sounds promising, 500mg-600mg daily, the best case sounds amazing with increased AR density, fat utilization, gym performance, overall recomp, and the ability to "keep gains after stopping" sounds very very nice... However based on my research and reading other logs it does seem that there is a lot of variety of opinions. I would also have to deal with a 29G 1ml IM injection basically every day and I've heard it is notorious for PIP but that is not the main point here.
- Enclomiphene: I've used it before and I wouldn't mind taking it again as a very easy oral to take, it seems to have higher body recomp potential than L-Carnitine however my bloodwork shows I already have high natural test so potentially taking enclo would be diminishing returns.
- Proviron: Not too knowledgable about this one, looks interesting for aesthetic progress but seems to have too many side effects.
- MOTS-C: Again unsure about this but looks interesting.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Substances: Now this is where it gets interesting (at least to me).

- On Thursday night I started injecting cjc/ipamorelin at 100mcg/100mcg every night fasted 30 minutes before bed.
- I personally have a very irrational fear of needles so even the tiny 31g 6mm needles make me grimace even though I can hardly feel a thing.
- Haven't noticed any significant effects yet, my sleep was very good the start of the week and just felt the same the past few nights.
- Once I hit 9 days in a row, I plan on doing 100mcg/100mcg 5 days on, 2 days off to keep the pituitary sensitive.
- I don't want to think too far ahead in case things don't go as planned but I plan to run the 5/2 schedule for 14 weeks in total.

Suggestions:
- I'm open to suggestions: looking to add another substance/compound to the cjc/ipa protocol, I feel like I'm leaving aesthetic progress on the table. Nothing suppressive or with significant side effects.
- Looking for something that works with cjc/ipa to improve muscle growth, fat loss, and overall body recomposition and aesthetics.
- I have a rough plan to take ghkcu/bpc (and raloxifene for gyno) once I stop cjc/ipa, and then after a few months probably do some kind of cut protocol to get shredded by December such as ipamorelin+tesamorelin.
- L-Carnitine: Injectable LC sounds promising, 500mg-600mg daily, the best case sounds amazing with increased AR density, fat utilization, gym performance, overall recomp, and the ability to "keep gains after stopping" sounds very very nice... However based on my research and reading other logs it does seem that there is a lot of variety of opinions. I would also have to deal with a 29G 1ml IM injection basically every day and I've heard it is notorious for PIP but that is not the main point here.
- Enclomiphene: I've used it before and I wouldn't mind taking it again as a very easy oral to take, it seems to have higher body recomp potential than L-Carnitine however my bloodwork shows I already have high natural test so potentially taking enclo would be diminishing returns.
- Proviron: Not too knowledgable about this one, looks interesting for aesthetic progress but seems to have too many side effects.
- MOTS-C: Again unsure about this but looks interesting.

Good natty start to your log bro I like the pace you're going and your base physique you're already lean and looking jacked. Great work!

Give the cjc/ipa some time, not unlike GH it's not going to work overnight or even in 4 weeks.

• BPC I'd recommend, no need to wait on that you can add that now. You can easily run BPC with CJC/IPA why do you want to wait to til you're done CJC/IPA?
• GHK I'm not sure you need for the recomp you're looking for.
• TESA/IPA is an option for sure and TESA has had great human data results and is FDA approved.
• LC you'd need to go deep IM with a 1" needle if you can hack it and it has some bite to it if that bothers you get ready. Enclomiphene is in a totally different world than LC and you don't have to wait on that either.
• PROVIRON is a drug that lowers your SHBG and frees up more Testosterone. It actually IS technically and androgen so 'on paper' you wouldn't be natty anymore if that matters to you.
• MOTS-C is a non-specific signaling hormone and is systemic. It helps to regulate metabolic homeostasis and can possibly enhance energy output and increase insulin sensitivty. You may not need this with your goals.

 

[LevButlerov]

Week 4 (Started CJC/IPA) Update:

Training:
- Push/Pull/Rest/Legs/Upper Monday to Friday split, hill sprints on Saturday. This was a good split and if my schedule didn't change each week I would probably stick to this for a while. Next week I can hit the same split though which is good.
- Added screenshots of some exercises and weights.
- I never really go to "true" failure in the gym but 20kg per-side dumbell lateral raises and 80kg incline smith machine are both technically personal records and the weight moved pretty well for both.
View attachment 202513View attachment 202514

Diet:View attachment 202519
- Attached some screenshots from MFP from the past week.
- I believe everything is fairly within range of goals, not perfect but pretty good. Tried to slightly increase protein by having 2 scoops of earth protein powder in my post gym shake instead of 1, and just bought a rice cooker to add another source of carbs.

Substances:
- Started cjc/ipamorelin, see post below.

Upcoming Week:
- Push/Pull/Rest/Legs/Upper Monday to Friday split, sprints Saturday, active recovery jogs on Wednesday and Sunday, cycling and walking every day.
- Can the Log title be changed because I don't expect to be going near test or anavar anytime soon @LevButlerov

you're pumping nicely! i would add drop sets
and you need to increase carbs to 400+ tbh

on the log title we need to start a NEW log please the edit button is gone for me so long @treebeard

Substances: Now this is where it gets interesting (at least to me).

- On Thursday night I started injecting cjc/ipamorelin at 100mcg/100mcg every night fasted 30 minutes before bed.
- I personally have a very irrational fear of needles so even the tiny 31g 6mm needles make me grimace even though I can hardly feel a thing.
- Haven't noticed any significant effects yet, my sleep was very good the start of the week and just felt the same the past few nights.
- Once I hit 9 days in a row, I plan on doing 100mcg/100mcg 5 days on, 2 days off to keep the pituitary sensitive.
- I don't want to think too far ahead in case things don't go as planned but I plan to run the 5/2 schedule for 14 weeks in total.

Suggestions:
- I'm open to suggestions: looking to add another substance/compound to the cjc/ipa protocol, I feel like I'm leaving aesthetic progress on the table. Nothing suppressive or with significant side effects.
- Looking for something that works with cjc/ipa to improve muscle growth, fat loss, and overall body recomposition and aesthetics.
- I have a rough plan to take ghkcu/bpc (and raloxifene for gyno) once I stop cjc/ipa, and then after a few months probably do some kind of cut protocol to get shredded by December such as ipamorelin+tesamorelin.
- L-Carnitine: Injectable LC sounds promising, 500mg-600mg daily, the best case sounds amazing with increased AR density, fat utilization, gym performance, overall recomp, and the ability to "keep gains after stopping" sounds very very nice... However based on my research and reading other logs it does seem that there is a lot of variety of opinions. I would also have to deal with a 29G 1ml IM injection basically every day and I've heard it is notorious for PIP but that is not the main point here.
- Enclomiphene: I've used it before and I wouldn't mind taking it again as a very easy oral to take, it seems to have higher body recomp potential than L-Carnitine however my bloodwork shows I already have high natural test so potentially taking enclo would be diminishing returns.
- Proviron: Not too knowledgable about this one, looks interesting for aesthetic progress but seems to have too many side effects.
- MOTS-C: Again unsure about this but looks interesting.

interesting I would add slu pp if you can do it, but why enclo?

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@MarkNV @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy @Shakey @Eveflorence

 

[Dreamer]

Substances: Now this is where it gets interesting (at least to me).

- On Thursday night I started injecting cjc/ipamorelin at 100mcg/100mcg every night fasted 30 minutes before bed.
- I personally have a very irrational fear of needles so even the tiny 31g 6mm needles make me grimace even though I can hardly feel a thing.
- Haven't noticed any significant effects yet, my sleep was very good the start of the week and just felt the same the past few nights.
- Once I hit 9 days in a row, I plan on doing 100mcg/100mcg 5 days on, 2 days off to keep the pituitary sensitive.
- I don't want to think too far ahead in case things don't go as planned but I plan to run the 5/2 schedule for 14 weeks in total.

Suggestions:
- I'm open to suggestions: looking to add another substance/compound to the cjc/ipa protocol, I feel like I'm leaving aesthetic progress on the table. Nothing suppressive or with significant side effects.
- Looking for something that works with cjc/ipa to improve muscle growth, fat loss, and overall body recomposition and aesthetics.
- I have a rough plan to take ghkcu/bpc (and raloxifene for gyno) once I stop cjc/ipa, and then after a few months probably do some kind of cut protocol to get shredded by December such as ipamorelin+tesamorelin.
- L-Carnitine: Injectable LC sounds promising, 500mg-600mg daily, the best case sounds amazing with increased AR density, fat utilization, gym performance, overall recomp, and the ability to "keep gains after stopping" sounds very very nice... However based on my research and reading other logs it does seem that there is a lot of variety of opinions. I would also have to deal with a 29G 1ml IM injection basically every day and I've heard it is notorious for PIP but that is not the main point here.
- Enclomiphene: I've used it before and I wouldn't mind taking it again as a very easy oral to take, it seems to have higher body recomp potential than L-Carnitine however my bloodwork shows I already have high natural test so potentially taking enclo would be diminishing returns.
- Proviron: Not too knowledgable about this one, looks interesting for aesthetic progress but seems to have too many side effects.
- MOTS-C: Again unsure about this but looks interesting.

Curious why CJC instead of regular GH?
There isnt much in the way of peptides outside of GH and maaaybe IGF LR3 that would add to muscle growth.

Injectable L cart is a staple in my stack, but its more of a 1 percenter - you wouldnt notice it in or out, but adds quite a bit in a subtle way over time, more from a nutrient partioning pov and general health.

Enclo, I wouldnt take unless there was a specific need - fertility or pct etc, it isnt risk free and is a pretty shit compound to be honest.

Proviron will lower your shgb which can free up some test if binded; but again wouldnt expect big changes.

Mots C - Good compound but only half the equation, you would want to run SS31 with it for mitocondrial health. - It raises AMPK and blunts mtor, so can actually work against muscle
gain.

What are you trying to do? Forgive me for not reading the entire log, but why are you trying to achieve muscle gain/recomp through peptides

 

[Grumpy]

Great week 4 update also interested in the choice of cjc over hgh

 

[treebeard]

Week 4 (Started CJC/IPA) Update:

Also forgot to add I'm taking roughly 2.5mg tadalafil (cialis) each morning, seems fairly beneficial with no significant sides.

 

[treebeard]

• BPC I'd recommend, no need to wait on that you can add that now. You can easily run BPC with CJC/IPA why do you want to wait to til you're done CJC/IPA?
• GHK I'm not sure you need for the recomp you're looking for.
• TESA/IPA is an option for sure and TESA has had great human data results and is FDA approved.
• LC you'd need to go deep IM with a 1" needle if you can hack it and it has some bite to it if that bothers you get ready. Enclomiphene is in a totally different world than LC and you don't have to wait on that either.
• PROVIRON is a drug that lowers your SHBG and frees up more Testosterone. It actually IS technically and androgen so 'on paper' you wouldn't be natty anymore if that matters to you.
• MOTS-C is a non-specific signaling hormone and is systemic. It helps to regulate metabolic homeostasis and can possibly enhance energy output and increase insulin sensitivty. You may not need this with your goals.

Thanks for the advice. I'll stay consistent with the cjc/ipa.
- BPC/GHK was more just to take something during the 12 weeks off cjc/ipa just so I've got something else giving me a boost for overall physical health, right now I don't think it's crucial for my protocol and adds more costs and injections etc.
- L-Carnatine, if the consensus is that is the best choice I would be OK to hack it with the needles.
- Not concerned with being 'natty' with Proviron but more concerned with the side effects that come with AAS like hair and cholesterol etc, that's why I pivoted away from Test+Var.
- MOTS-C sounds interesting for overall health, maybe my reasoning is wrong but if I was in a slight surplus whilst taking mots-c could that help cause a recomp?

 

[treebeard]

you're pumping nicely! i would add drop sets
and you need to increase carbs to 400+ tbh
on the log title we need to start a NEW log please the edit button is gone for me so long
interesting I would add slu pp if you can do it, but why enclo?

- Ok, I'll gradually add in drop sets to my workouts.
- And then yes I'll look to increase carbs more especially around workouts.
- No problem with the log title I'll just stick to this log since everything's already on here.
- SluPP332 and MOTS-C are both interesting, considering I have Thalassemia minor mots-c might be better for health, less experimental than slupp, and also maintaining physique once finishing the cycle.
- Enclo was an idea to increase test naturally to be able to achieve the effects of very high test, but I don't think it will be that beneficial for me.

 

[treebeard]

Curious why CJC instead of regular GH?
Injectable L cart is a staple in my stack, but its more of a 1 percenter - you wouldnt notice it in or out, but adds quite a bit in a subtle way over time, more from a nutrient partioning pov and general health.
Enclo, I wouldnt take unless there was a specific need - fertility or pct etc, it isnt risk free and is a pretty shit compound to be honest.
What are you trying to do? Forgive me for not reading the entire log, but why are you trying to achieve muscle gain/recomp through peptides

- Chose CJC over GH to boost my 'natural' production to maximal levels rather than shut down my natural production with GH. HGH seems to have more sides like bloating, insulin sensitivity, organ growth. Considering I'm 23 with high test and thallasemia minor it made more sense to add in cjc as a 'booster' than hgh which is more 'high reward high risk'.
- I read some of your posts regarding LC, if its just a small boost then it's probably not worth the cost/effort/injections, even though the science behind it sounds good.
- Yep have removed enclo from potential options. Proviron & Mots-c seem interesting but neither seem like the right fit.
- In terms of my goals, I'd like to achieve a body recomp by building muscle and burning fat simultaneously, whilst keeping overall health/skin/hair good, and to be able to keep my physique (or most of it) once I finish the cycle. I know I can't expect steroid level gains whilst using peptides so I guess I'm just trying to maximise my aesthetics as much as possible with non-suppressive compounds. Hope that makes sense .

 

[treebeard]

Great week 4 update also interested in the choice of cjc over hgh

"Chose CJC over GH to boost my 'natural' production to maximal levels rather than shut down my natural production with GH. HGH seems to have more sides like bloating, insulin sensitivity, organ growth. Considering I'm 23 with high test and thallasemia minor it made more sense to add in cjc as a 'booster' than hgh which is more 'high reward high risk'."

^I wrote this in my reply to Dreamer, just to add onto this, cjc doesn't shut down production, less bloat/water, greater ability to keep gains off cycle, better sleep and recovery, and lower side effects overall. It seems like most replies are in favour of HGH, I assume due to greater effects on muscle gain and fat loss, so I may have to consider this.

 

[Grumpy]

"Chose CJC over GH to boost my 'natural' production to maximal levels rather than shut down my natural production with GH. HGH seems to have more sides like bloating, insulin sensitivity, organ growth. Considering I'm 23 with high test and thallasemia minor it made more sense to add in cjc as a 'booster' than hgh which is more 'high reward high risk'."

^I wrote this in my reply to Dreamer, just to add onto this, cjc doesn't shut down production, less bloat/water, greater ability to keep gains off cycle, better sleep and recovery, and lower side effects overall. It seems like most replies are in favour of HGH, I assume due to greater effects on muscle gain and fat loss, so I may have to consider this.

Makes sense

 

[LevButlerov]

- Ok, I'll gradually add in drop sets to my workouts.
- And then yes I'll look to increase carbs more especially around workouts.
- No problem with the log title I'll just stick to this log since everything's already on here.
- SluPP332 and MOTS-C are both interesting, considering I have Thalassemia minor mots-c might be better for health, less experimental than slupp, and also maintaining physique once finishing the cycle.
- Enclo was an idea to increase test naturally to be able to achieve the effects of very high test, but I don't think it will be that beneficial for me.

perfect lets start the changes @treebeard i would start with things like fadogia before any enclomiphene

 

[HarleyGuy]

MOTS-C sounds interesting for overall health, maybe my reasoning is wrong but if I was in a slight surplus whilst taking mots-c could that help cause a recomp?

Negative no. This is moreso all diet in your case.

If you were running gear there would be certain compounds better for recomp for example, but mitochondrial peptides can't compete with getting a recomp diet dialed in first.

 

[treebeard]

I've been doing some research and I think for my specific situation, MOTS-C might be the best addition.
Looking forward to @HarleyGuy thread on it, perfect timing to learn more before I most likely decide to hop on .

I'm unsure on how I want to dose it though. I workout usually 4 mornings a week between Monday to Friday.
I'm leaning towards 3mg on my rest/recovery days, so I can combine it with fasted cardio for ampk focus (and 3-5mg is more likely to generate systemic improvements and reduce myostatin), but leaving the workout days to be in a more anabolic mtor focus.
Other I could run something like 1mg subq morning injection, 5-6 days a week, with some days injecting before consuming carbs (before AM gym workout) to increase glucose uptake, and some days injecting before fasted cardio (on active recovery days) to help burn fat.

Reasons:
- Recently banned by WADA which is a good sign.
- Aligns well with my specific factors of thalassemia minor, high natural test, and overall health.
- Research seems to suggest that whilst mots increases ampk, my natural test and boosted growth hormone should hopefully cancel out any significant ampk muscle blunting effects, and on top of that mots is supposed to decrease myostatin too.

From a recomp point of view, I think if I lowered my calories towards maintenance and then added mots-c to my protocol would be able to hopefully achieve a more effective recomp. I understand though that peptides aren't really huge needle pushers and there probably isn't too much different between my two suggested protocols, hopefully the systemic effects on my energy and health can help create change though.
It might also be interesting to observe the mots-c effects as someone only pinning two substances.

What do you guys reckon @LevButlerov @Dreamer @HarleyGuy

 

[HarleyGuy]

Looking forward to @HarleyGuy thread on it

You brought up some really good points on MOTS-c and my thread starts off with some of that. I stuck to the inarguable facts on MOTS as the contents of the first post based on my references from journals. As for timing of injection I'm going to let the masses pipe in with their anecdotal experiences regarding best practices for that. As far as myostatin there wasn't enough clinical data for me to put anything in the introductory post that will go up but I'm open to anyone posting up anything they find about it for a good discussion.

Recently banned by WADA which is a good sign.

Hahaha, I so get this... I love EVO.

It might also be interesting to observe the mots-c effects as someone only pinning two substances.

This might be a tall order as we all pin multiple compounds but if anyone wants to do this as part of the community research we will have a place for it soon.

I'm just trying to tally as many members' doses as I can for the time being and then it's going up. Give me a bit but it shall arrive that's a promise.

 

[LevButlerov]

I've been doing some research and I think for my specific situation, MOTS-C might be the best addition.
Looking forward to @HarleyGuy thread on it, perfect timing to learn more before I most likely decide to hop on .

I'm unsure on how I want to dose it though. I workout usually 4 mornings a week between Monday to Friday.
I'm leaning towards 3mg on my rest/recovery days, so I can combine it with fasted cardio for ampk focus (and 3-5mg is more likely to generate systemic improvements and reduce myostatin), but leaving the workout days to be in a more anabolic mtor focus.
Other I could run something like 1mg subq morning injection, 5-6 days a week, with some days injecting before consuming carbs (before AM gym workout) to increase glucose uptake, and some days injecting before fasted cardio (on active recovery days) to help burn fat.

Reasons:
- Recently banned by WADA which is a good sign.
- Aligns well with my specific factors of thalassemia minor, high natural test, and overall health.
- Research seems to suggest that whilst mots increases ampk, my natural test and boosted growth hormone should hopefully cancel out any significant ampk muscle blunting effects, and on top of that mots is supposed to decrease myostatin too.

From a recomp point of view, I think if I lowered my calories towards maintenance and then added mots-c to my protocol would be able to hopefully achieve a more effective recomp. I understand though that peptides aren't really huge needle pushers and there probably isn't too much different between my two suggested protocols, hopefully the systemic effects on my energy and health can help create change though.
It might also be interesting to observe the mots-c effects as someone only pinning two substances.

What do you guys reckon @LevButlerov @Dreamer @HarleyGuy

I think mots-c is an amazing addition, it's going to be the next cardarine the way I see it really good at burning fat @treebeard you can try AM pins and see

 

[Dreamer]

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I've been doing some research and I think for my specific situation, MOTS-C might be the best addition.
Looking forward to @HarleyGuy thread on it, perfect timing to learn more before I most likely decide to hop on .

I'm unsure on how I want to dose it though. I workout usually 4 mornings a week between Monday to Friday.
I'm leaning towards 3mg on my rest/recovery days, so I can combine it with fasted cardio for ampk focus (and 3-5mg is more likely to generate systemic improvements and reduce myostatin), but leaving the workout days to be in a more anabolic mtor focus.
Other I could run something like 1mg subq morning injection, 5-6 days a week, with some days injecting before consuming carbs (before AM gym workout) to increase glucose uptake, and some days injecting before fasted cardio (on active recovery days) to help burn fat.

Reasons:
- Recently banned by WADA which is a good sign.
- Aligns well with my specific factors of thalassemia minor, high natural test, and overall health.
- Research seems to suggest that whilst mots increases ampk, my natural test and boosted growth hormone should hopefully cancel out any significant ampk muscle blunting effects, and on top of that mots is supposed to decrease myostatin too.

From a recomp point of view, I think if I lowered my calories towards maintenance and then added mots-c to my protocol would be able to hopefully achieve a more effective recomp. I understand though that peptides aren't really huge needle pushers and there probably isn't too much different between my two suggested protocols, hopefully the systemic effects on my energy and health can help create change though.
It might also be interesting to observe the mots-c effects as someone only pinning two substances.

What do you guys reckon @LevButlerov @Dreamer @HarleyGuy

I have shared around the place how I use MOTS C, I take mine in the evening with my large intake of carbs, I have seen a massive improvement in fasting BGL in the morning and in turn insulin sensititivty by doing this.
I think peptides can be used in numerous different ways and applications once you understand what they do to YOUR body because they do seem to be highly individual, play around with them and monitor with data, they are incredibly useful for alot of things

 

[treebeard]

I'm just trying to tally as many members' doses as I can for the time being and then it's going up. Give me a bit but it shall arrive that's a promise.

Sounds good yep, look forward to it, no rush, I'll probably order a bit now anyways and then use your write-up to help adjust doses and protocol as needed.

 

[treebeard]

I think mots-c is an amazing addition, it's going to be the next cardarine the way I see it really good at burning fat @treebeard you can try AM pins and see

I've used cardarine a couple years ago for a few months, ok fat loss and decent increase in stamina, if mots-c is like cardarine but without the cancer links and slightly better systemic effects that would be great

 

[treebeard]

I have shared around the place how I use MOTS C, I take mine in the evening with my large intake of carbs, I have seen a massive improvement in fasting BGL in the morning and in turn insulin sensititivty by doing this.
I think peptides can be used in numerous different ways and applications once you understand what they do to YOUR body because they do seem to be highly individual, play around with them and monitor with data, they are incredibly useful for alot of things

The evening injection is interesting, I actually had not seen any talk of that before but I might have to add that to a potential routine. Something like Wednesday and Saturday mornings before fasted active recovery cardio, and then Sunday evening with carbs before Monday's morning gym session. And yes will have to see how my own body reacts, I'm hoping it might be a small game changer for thalassemia energy levels.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I

I have shared around the place how I use MOTS C, I take mine in the evening with my large intake of carbs, I have seen a massive improvement in fasting BGL in the morning and in turn insulin sensititivty by doing this.
I think peptides can be used in numerous different ways and applications once you understand what they do to YOUR body because they do seem to be highly individual, play around with them and monitor with data, they are incredibly useful for alot of things

Thanks for this @Dreamer I'll include your feedback in the article I'm looking for great quotes and that was one of them. I have you down for MOTS-c since earlier this year and are you still at 5mg? I remember you mentioned it in November but didn't start until later correct? I also see you went down to 30mg of SLUPP, I need to add you to the SLUPP community research article I missed you on that one.

 

[Dreamer]

Thanks for this @Dreamer I'll include your feedback in the article I'm looking for great quotes and that was one of them. I have you down for MOTS-c since earlier this year and are you still at 5mg? I remember you mentioned it in November but didn't start until later correct? I also see you went down to 30mg of SLUPP, I need to add you to the SLUPP community research article I missed you on that one.

I am sitting at 5mg still yes, I think this dose may be potentially a bit overkill, but at nearly 1000g carbs a day, I am hovering 4.8 bgl, so pretty happy with where its at.

Slu I have dropped for the time being, contradicts my goal of gaining lean mass at the moment, I have been able to lean bulk without it, I was actually dropping weight with it in

 

[HarleyGuy]

I am sitting at 5mg still yes, I think this dose may be potentially a bit overkill, but at nearly 1000g carbs a day, I am hovering 4.8 bgl, so pretty happy with where its at.

Slu I have dropped for the time being, contradicts my goal of gaining lean mass at the moment, I have been able to lean bulk without it, I was actually dropping weight with it in

Ok awesome bro thanks for the clarification.

 

[LevButlerov]

I've used cardarine a couple years ago for a few months, ok fat loss and decent increase in stamina, if mots-c is like cardarine but without the cancer links and slightly better systemic effects that would be great

you can go low dose cardarine 5-10mgs is fine @treebeard the cancer issue is just high dose over 1000mgs of gw501516

 

[treebeard]

Week 4 (Started CJC/IPA) Update:

Training:
- Push/Pull/Rest/Legs/Upper Monday to Friday split, had a bit of a cold on the weekend so skipped the sprints and did a recovery jog Sunday.
- Added screenshots of some exercises and weights.

Diet:
- Attached some screenshots from MFP from the past week.
- Weight hit over 82kgs (180lbs) (187cm/6'2 height) for the first time in a few years, I guess its a good sign I'm gaining gradually but I'm trying to make sure this doesn't 'bulk' my face and abs too lol.
- I might be wrong but I feel like I have more insulin resistance than the average person, I notice I get a bit of a carb coma if I consume a big meal or carb heavy meal, and then in the pictures below you can see the love handles are bigger than they should be for my stats in my opinion.
- It's still a bit hit or miss in the morning as I try eat a big bowl of overnight oats with a banana and cinnamon roughly an hour before my workout, but then I feel pretty lethargic after the meal. But if I consume a smaller preworkout meal or eat too long before the gym then I feel weak and hungry during my workout. Intra workout coconut water and salt has helped prevent most of the weak feeling but I still feel a bit fatigued out around the 45min mark which isn't great, hopefully mots-c can help with that.
- I've just ordered a berberine supplement because I was taking that about half a year ago and it seemed to improve insulin sensitivity but I didn't bother to buy another bottle when it ran out.
- Now that I somewhat know my calorie goals I've changed MFP to "maintain" instead of "gain", but the targets are more just a rough guideline where I'm just trying to hit 200+ grams of protein and around 3.1k calories daily, with fats and carbs around 100g and 300g respectively.

Substances:
- Started cjc/ipamorelin, 150mcg 5 days on, 2 days off, see above.
- Planning on starting mots-c soon probably 3 x injections per week, will experiment with dosages and timings a bit.
- Running 2.5mg Cialis for over a week now, seems to be going well with no negatives, the worst part is literally splitting my 20mg tablets into 8 lol.

Physique:
- I can't really tell but I assume the muscle is growing a little bit. The love handles in the back photo seem relatively bigger than they should be for my stats, another reason I think I might have some insulin resistance.
- Back acne isn't great either but I've got a good protocol with 5% benzoyl peroxide wash for the shower and Tretinoin 0.1% every second night, I just ordered a leave-on body acne spray for when I bike or walk somewhere and my back is sweaty, which I think might be the missing piece
- Any advice to grow my biceps and chest would be good as I think they are my weak points, at least for my aesthetic goals.

Upcoming Week:
- Push/Pull/Legs/Rest/Upper Monday to Friday split, sprints Saturday, active recovery jogs on Thursday and Sunday, cycling and walking every day.

 

[LevButlerov]

Week 4 (Started CJC/IPA) Update:

Training:
- Push/Pull/Rest/Legs/Upper Monday to Friday split, had a bit of a cold on the weekend so skipped the sprints and did a recovery jog Sunday.
- Added screenshots of some exercises and weights.
View attachment 205861View attachment 205866

Diet:
- Attached some screenshots from MFP from the past week.
- Weight hit over 82kgs (180lbs) (187cm/6'2 height) for the first time in a few years, I guess its a good sign I'm gaining gradually but I'm trying to make sure this doesn't 'bulk' my face and abs too lol.
- I might be wrong but I feel like I have more insulin resistance than the average person, I notice I get a bit of a carb coma if I consume a big meal or carb heavy meal, and then in the pictures below you can see the love handles are bigger than they should be for my stats in my opinion.
- It's still a bit hit or miss in the morning as I try eat a big bowl of overnight oats with a banana and cinnamon roughly an hour before my workout, but then I feel pretty lethargic after the meal. But if I consume a smaller preworkout meal or eat too long before the gym then I feel weak and hungry during my workout. Intra workout coconut water and salt has helped prevent most of the weak feeling but I still feel a bit fatigued out around the 45min mark which isn't great, hopefully mots-c can help with that.
- I've just ordered a berberine supplement because I was taking that about half a year ago and it seemed to improve insulin sensitivity but I didn't bother to buy another bottle when it ran out.
- Now that I somewhat know my calorie goals I've changed MFP to "maintain" instead of "gain", but the targets are more just a rough guideline where I'm just trying to hit 200+ grams of protein and around 3.1k calories daily, with fats and carbs around 100g and 300g respectively.
View attachment 206373
Substances:
- Started cjc/ipamorelin, 150mcg 5 days on, 2 days off, see above.
- Planning on starting mots-c soon probably 3 x injections per week, will experiment with dosages and timings a bit.
- Running 2.5mg Cialis for over a week now, seems to be going well with no negatives, the worst part is literally splitting my 20mg tablets into 8 lol.

Physique:
- I can't really tell but I assume the muscle is growing a little bit. The love handles in the back photo seem relatively bigger than they should be for my stats, another reason I think I might have some insulin resistance.
- Back acne isn't great either but I've got a good protocol with 5% benzoyl peroxide wash for the shower and Tretinoin 0.1% every second night, I just ordered a leave-on body acne spray for when I bike or walk somewhere and my back is sweaty, which I think might be the missing piece
- Any advice to grow my biceps and chest would be good as I think they are my weak points, at least for my aesthetic goals.
View attachment 206363View attachment 206364

Upcoming Week:
- Push/Pull/Legs/Rest/Upper Monday to Friday split, sprints Saturday, active recovery jogs on Thursday and Sunday, cycling and walking every day.

you're looking lean really tight i see the abs pop hard
start by getting carbs to 400+ and getting your supps in order @treebeard

 

[treebeard]

Week 4 (Started CJC/IPA) Update:

** Meant to say Week 5, that was the week 5 update.

 

[treebeard]

Week 6 Update:

Training:
- Push/Pull/Legs/Rest/Upper Monday to Friday split, Push and Pull sessions were good, Wednesday legs session I felt a bit fatigued so kept it a bit lighter.
- Added screenshots of some exercises and weights.
- Weight will be consistent around 82kgs from now on probably which I'd be happy to stay at whilst gaining more muscle and reducing a bit of fat.
- Although I have been taking adhd meds for mental focus on the weekend (non gym days) so my appetite is less which I don't mind.

Diet:
- Attached some screenshots below from MFP from the past week.
- Calories around 3000cal a day as a minimum benchmark which is my rough maintenance I believe, protein stays above 200g except maybe weekends, carbs around 300g daily.
- Started taking Berberine HCL 500mg with my biggest meal that isn't directly before or after a workout, should reduce a bit of the 'food coma'.

Substances:
- I have now completed 4 days of cjc/ipa at 100mcg/100mcg, followed by two weeks (5 days on, 2 days off) at 150mcg/150mcg. I hardly notice any difference at the moment but I'm only 2.5 weeks in.
- Think I'm noticing a bit more hunger in general so trying to manage calories so I don't get bloated, and a tiny bit more muscle fullness and size, and sleep quality also seems to be pretty good as long as I don't stay up too late.
- MOTS-C I've injected 3.5mg on Thursday before my rest day jog, and on Saturday and Sunday. To be honest I can't say I've noticed much from it so far other than a bit of stinging at the injection site for a few minutes, and maybe the body temperature goes up a bit.
- Cialis 2.5mg daily is great, improves gym pumps, small vascularity improvement in regular life, and bedroom blood flow is definitely peak haha.

Upcoming Week:
- Going to be gym 4 days in a row due to my schedule, Push/Pull/Legs/Upper Monday to Thursday. Recovery jogs on Friday and Sunday, sprints on Saturday.
- CJC/IPA 150mcg/150mcg Monday to Friday.
- MOTS-C 3 x 3.5mg injections, Wednesday before legs, Friday morning, and Sunday morning before fasted jog.

 

[LevButlerov]

Week 6 Update:

Training:
- Push/Pull/Legs/Rest/Upper Monday to Friday split, Push and Pull sessions were good, Wednesday legs session I felt a bit fatigued so kept it a bit lighter.
- Added screenshots of some exercises and weights.
- Weight will be consistent around 82kgs from now on probably which I'd be happy to stay at whilst gaining more muscle and reducing a bit of fat.
- Although I have been taking adhd meds for mental focus on the weekend (non gym days) so my appetite is less which I don't mind.
View attachment 209521View attachment 209502View attachment 209505

Diet:
- Attached some screenshots below from MFP from the past week.
- Calories around 3000cal a day as a minimum benchmark which is my rough maintenance I believe, protein stays above 200g except maybe weekends, carbs around 300g daily.
- Started taking Berberine HCL 500mg with my biggest meal that isn't directly before or after a workout, should reduce a bit of the 'food coma'.

Substances:
- I have now completed 4 days of cjc/ipa at 100mcg/100mcg, followed by two weeks (5 days on, 2 days off) at 150mcg/150mcg. I hardly notice any difference at the moment but I'm only 2.5 weeks in.
- Think I'm noticing a bit more hunger in general so trying to manage calories so I don't get bloated, and a tiny bit more muscle fullness and size, and sleep quality also seems to be pretty good as long as I don't stay up too late.
- MOTS-C I've injected 3.5mg on Thursday before my rest day jog, and on Saturday and Sunday. To be honest I can't say I've noticed much from it so far other than a bit of stinging at the injection site for a few minutes, and maybe the body temperature goes up a bit.
- Cialis 2.5mg daily is great, improves gym pumps, small vascularity improvement in regular life, and bedroom blood flow is definitely peak haha.

Upcoming Week:
- Going to be gym 4 days in a row due to my schedule, Push/Pull/Legs/Upper Monday to Thursday. Recovery jogs on Friday and Sunday, sprints on Saturday.
- CJC/IPA 150mcg/150mcg Monday to Friday.
- MOTS-C 3 x 3.5mg injections, Wednesday before legs, Friday morning, and Sunday morning before fasted jog.

I see your screens but the diet you have macros and foods? @treebeard you look good lean in the pic hard abs

mots c tell us how you felt? more details please


@BeMe @HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67 @codezz
@MarkNV @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy @Shakey @Eveflorence @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay

 

[Yuri]

Killer foundation bro, let’s see you keep growing that aesthetic frame out

 

[rizzlekdizzle]

Looking lean man and good to see
Weight climbing up

 

[Grumpy]

Abs definitely showing
Very lean
Good training session

 

[waggat]

Week 4 (Started CJC/IPA) Update:

Training:
- Push/Pull/Rest/Legs/Upper Monday to Friday split, had a bit of a cold on the weekend so skipped the sprints and did a recovery jog Sunday.
- Added screenshots of some exercises and weights.
View attachment 205861View attachment 205866

Diet:
- Attached some screenshots from MFP from the past week.
- Weight hit over 82kgs (180lbs) (187cm/6'2 height) for the first time in a few years, I guess its a good sign I'm gaining gradually but I'm trying to make sure this doesn't 'bulk' my face and abs too lol.
- I might be wrong but I feel like I have more insulin resistance than the average person, I notice I get a bit of a carb coma if I consume a big meal or carb heavy meal, and then in the pictures below you can see the love handles are bigger than they should be for my stats in my opinion.
- It's still a bit hit or miss in the morning as I try eat a big bowl of overnight oats with a banana and cinnamon roughly an hour before my workout, but then I feel pretty lethargic after the meal. But if I consume a smaller preworkout meal or eat too long before the gym then I feel weak and hungry during my workout. Intra workout coconut water and salt has helped prevent most of the weak feeling but I still feel a bit fatigued out around the 45min mark which isn't great, hopefully mots-c can help with that.
- I've just ordered a berberine supplement because I was taking that about half a year ago and it seemed to improve insulin sensitivity but I didn't bother to buy another bottle when it ran out.
- Now that I somewhat know my calorie goals I've changed MFP to "maintain" instead of "gain", but the targets are more just a rough guideline where I'm just trying to hit 200+ grams of protein and around 3.1k calories daily, with fats and carbs around 100g and 300g respectively.
View attachment 206373
Substances:
- Started cjc/ipamorelin, 150mcg 5 days on, 2 days off, see above.
- Planning on starting mots-c soon probably 3 x injections per week, will experiment with dosages and timings a bit.
- Running 2.5mg Cialis for over a week now, seems to be going well with no negatives, the worst part is literally splitting my 20mg tablets into 8 lol.

Physique:
- I can't really tell but I assume the muscle is growing a little bit. The love handles in the back photo seem relatively bigger than they should be for my stats, another reason I think I might have some insulin resistance.
- Back acne isn't great either but I've got a good protocol with 5% benzoyl peroxide wash for the shower and Tretinoin 0.1% every second night, I just ordered a leave-on body acne spray for when I bike or walk somewhere and my back is sweaty, which I think might be the missing piece
- Any advice to grow my biceps and chest would be good as I think they are my weak points, at least for my aesthetic goals.
View attachment 206363View attachment 206364

Upcoming Week:
- Push/Pull/Legs/Rest/Upper Monday to Friday split, sprints Saturday, active recovery jogs on Thursday and Sunday, cycling and walking every day.

Week 6 Update:

Training:
- Push/Pull/Legs/Rest/Upper Monday to Friday split, Push and Pull sessions were good, Wednesday legs session I felt a bit fatigued so kept it a bit lighter.
- Added screenshots of some exercises and weights.
- Weight will be consistent around 82kgs from now on probably which I'd be happy to stay at whilst gaining more muscle and reducing a bit of fat.
- Although I have been taking adhd meds for mental focus on the weekend (non gym days) so my appetite is less which I don't mind.
View attachment 209521View attachment 209502View attachment 209505

Diet:
- Attached some screenshots below from MFP from the past week.
- Calories around 3000cal a day as a minimum benchmark which is my rough maintenance I believe, protein stays above 200g except maybe weekends, carbs around 300g daily.
- Started taking Berberine HCL 500mg with my biggest meal that isn't directly before or after a workout, should reduce a bit of the 'food coma'.

Substances:
- I have now completed 4 days of cjc/ipa at 100mcg/100mcg, followed by two weeks (5 days on, 2 days off) at 150mcg/150mcg. I hardly notice any difference at the moment but I'm only 2.5 weeks in.
- Think I'm noticing a bit more hunger in general so trying to manage calories so I don't get bloated, and a tiny bit more muscle fullness and size, and sleep quality also seems to be pretty good as long as I don't stay up too late.
- MOTS-C I've injected 3.5mg on Thursday before my rest day jog, and on Saturday and Sunday. To be honest I can't say I've noticed much from it so far other than a bit of stinging at the injection site for a few minutes, and maybe the body temperature goes up a bit.
- Cialis 2.5mg daily is great, improves gym pumps, small vascularity improvement in regular life, and bedroom blood flow is definitely peak haha.

Upcoming Week:
- Going to be gym 4 days in a row due to my schedule, Push/Pull/Legs/Upper Monday to Thursday. Recovery jogs on Friday and Sunday, sprints on Saturday.
- CJC/IPA 150mcg/150mcg Monday to Friday.
- MOTS-C 3 x 3.5mg injections, Wednesday before legs, Friday morning, and Sunday morning before fasted jog.

Looking good in the photo mate and looks like your weight gain is on point.

What's happening with you leg workouts. The latest one you didn't log and the one before that appears to only be RDL's and seated calf. As it is, I'm not the biggest fan of only one leg day for four total training days. It can work but you should be doing big leg sessions with say 3 quad and 2 ham/glute exercises. Calves and abs would then go on another day (balance wise).

I think in general the balance of your sessions is a bit out. Day 1 could probably use one more chest exercise (maybe dips since it hits tri's hard as well). Day 2 needs a rear delt exercise. Leg day needs big changes. Your upper day only has three exercises and no back work! You can easily add two back exercises in there for a total of five exercises.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Week 6 Update:

Training:
- Push/Pull/Legs/Rest/Upper Monday to Friday split, Push and Pull sessions were good, Wednesday legs session I felt a bit fatigued so kept it a bit lighter.
- Added screenshots of some exercises and weights.
- Weight will be consistent around 82kgs from now on probably which I'd be happy to stay at whilst gaining more muscle and reducing a bit of fat.
- Although I have been taking adhd meds for mental focus on the weekend (non gym days) so my appetite is less which I don't mind.
View attachment 209521View attachment 209502View attachment 209505

Diet:
- Attached some screenshots below from MFP from the past week.
- Calories around 3000cal a day as a minimum benchmark which is my rough maintenance I believe, protein stays above 200g except maybe weekends, carbs around 300g daily.
- Started taking Berberine HCL 500mg with my biggest meal that isn't directly before or after a workout, should reduce a bit of the 'food coma'.

Substances:
- I have now completed 4 days of cjc/ipa at 100mcg/100mcg, followed by two weeks (5 days on, 2 days off) at 150mcg/150mcg. I hardly notice any difference at the moment but I'm only 2.5 weeks in.
- Think I'm noticing a bit more hunger in general so trying to manage calories so I don't get bloated, and a tiny bit more muscle fullness and size, and sleep quality also seems to be pretty good as long as I don't stay up too late.
- MOTS-C I've injected 3.5mg on Thursday before my rest day jog, and on Saturday and Sunday. To be honest I can't say I've noticed much from it so far other than a bit of stinging at the injection site for a few minutes, and maybe the body temperature goes up a bit.
- Cialis 2.5mg daily is great, improves gym pumps, small vascularity improvement in regular life, and bedroom blood flow is definitely peak haha.

Upcoming Week:
- Going to be gym 4 days in a row due to my schedule, Push/Pull/Legs/Upper Monday to Thursday. Recovery jogs on Friday and Sunday, sprints on Saturday.
- CJC/IPA 150mcg/150mcg Monday to Friday.
- MOTS-C 3 x 3.5mg injections, Wednesday before legs, Friday morning, and Sunday morning before fasted jog.

Nice pic bro muscle shape and abs are on display nicely!

About the MOTS-c

Planning on starting mots-c soon probably 3 x injections per week, will experiment with dosages and timings a bit.

MOTS-C I've injected 3.5mg on Thursday before my rest day jog, and on Saturday and Sunday. To be honest I can't say I've noticed much from it so far other than a bit of stinging at the injection site for a few minutes, and maybe the body temperature goes up a bit.

MOTS-C 3 x 3.5mg injections, Wednesday before legs, Friday morning, and Sunday morning before fasted jog.

Thanks for keeping us updated on how MOTS-c is going for you. I've added you to our MOTS-c Community Research Thread here MOTS-C Peptide - Overview, Dosing, and Reviews. I added you at 3.5mg on an e3d schedule for now but you can keep us posted as things change as well. Thank you too for the review, I would give it more time to both 'saturate' in its function and work for you over time and keep us updated.

protein stays above 200g

I like this, you have good muscle mass and with your goals keep it above 200g.

 

[treebeard]

I see your screens but the diet you have macros and foods? @treebeard you look good lean in the pic hard abs

Attached screenshots from MFP reports that I could fit into one page zoomed out, most days are pretty similar with what I'm eating in terms of the core stuff, oats, protein powders, eggs, meats, sweet potatoes, rice cakes, honey, coffee, coconut water, banana, fruits, etc.

 

[treebeard]

mots c tell us how you felt? more details please

Thanks for keeping us updated on how MOTS-c is going for you. I've added you to our MOTS-c Community Research Thread here MOTS-C Peptide - Overview, Dosing, and Reviews. I added you at 3.5mg on an e3d schedule for now but you can keep us posted as things change as well. Thank you too for the review, I would give it more time to both 'saturate' in its function and work for you over time and keep us updated.

- Past week injected 3.5mg 30mins before my usual 2.5km (1.5miles) recovery run on Thursday evening, didn't feel anything noticeable on the run, but I believe my body ran a bit hotter for the remainder of the evening after the run.
- 3.5mg Saturday evening but got busy with something unexpected so didn't manage to go hit my evening sprints, felt slightly hotter remainder of the evening.
- 3.5mg Sunday before jog, same as above.

- This week going to do similar so will see how it goes, will try get in at least one sprint session 30mins after injecting.
- I've heard higher doses (>5mg) can risk anaphylactic shock so I'm going to stick to around 3.5-4mg for now. There's also some minor stinging in my glutes when I inject that goes away from 5-15mins after, more noticeable than my 9 unit cjc/ipa injections, makes sense being 25 units although both are technically tiny amounts.

 

[LevButlerov]

Attached screenshots from MFP reports that I could fit into one page zoomed out, most days are pretty similar with what I'm eating in terms of the core stuff, oats, protein powders, eggs, meats, sweet potatoes, rice cakes, honey, coffee, coconut water, banana, fruits, etc.

yes your fats way too high can you cut fats down to 80?

 

[treebeard]

What's happening with you leg workouts. The latest one you didn't log and the one before that appears to only be RDL's and seated calf. As it is, I'm not the biggest fan of only one leg day for four total training days. It can work but you should be doing big leg sessions with say 3 quad and 2 ham/glute exercises. Calves and abs would then go on another day (balance wise).

I think in general the balance of your sessions is a bit out. Day 1 could probably use one more chest exercise (maybe dips since it hits tri's hard as well). Day 2 needs a rear delt exercise. Leg day needs big changes. Your upper day only has three exercises and no back work! You can easily add two back exercises in there for a total of five exercises.

Yep you are absolutely right with the workout logging, my spreadsheet is a bit unorthodox where I just put any "significant" lifts in there and how many reps I did for my best set, I haven't put every exercise in there. It might make more sense to screenshot my rough workout plan so people can see what exercises I'm doing.
Generally leg days I will admit I'm a bit of a pussy mentally and also with dodgy knees etc so I probably don't go as hard as I should. And good spot with the upper day lacking a back exercise, I'll make sure that doesn't happen this week. For the rear delts, I did do face pulls for Day 2, I just didn't log it in the spreadsheet as the weight was 'low'.
See attachments of what I did the past week, some are obviously ai text pasted in, others are just exercises I chose for that day.

 

[HarleyGuy]

- Past week injected 3.5mg 30mins before my usual 2.5km (1.5miles) recovery run on Thursday evening, didn't feel anything noticeable on the run, but I believe my body ran a bit hotter for the remainder of the evening after the run.
- 3.5mg Saturday evening but got busy with something unexpected so didn't manage to go hit my evening sprints, felt slightly hotter remainder of the evening.
- 3.5mg Sunday before jog, same as above.

- This week going to do similar so will see how it goes, will try get in at least one sprint session 30mins after injecting.
- I've heard higher doses (>5mg) can risk anaphylactic shock so I'm going to stick to around 3.5-4mg for now. There's also some minor stinging in my glutes when I inject that goes away from 5-15mins after, more noticeable than my 9 unit cjc/ipa injections, makes sense being 25 units although both are technically tiny amounts.

Fantastic feedback on MOTS-c brother, one of the most comprehensive so far I really like it!

I'll add this to our community research thread MOTS-c Peptide: Overview, Dosing and Reviews

 

[Koba]

Week 6 Update:

Training:
- Push/Pull/Legs/Rest/Upper Monday to Friday split, Push and Pull sessions were good, Wednesday legs session I felt a bit fatigued so kept it a bit lighter.
- Added screenshots of some exercises and weights.
- Weight will be consistent around 82kgs from now on probably which I'd be happy to stay at whilst gaining more muscle and reducing a bit of fat.
- Although I have been taking adhd meds for mental focus on the weekend (non gym days) so my appetite is less which I don't mind.
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Diet:
- Attached some screenshots below from MFP from the past week.
- Calories around 3000cal a day as a minimum benchmark which is my rough maintenance I believe, protein stays above 200g except maybe weekends, carbs around 300g daily.
- Started taking Berberine HCL 500mg with my biggest meal that isn't directly before or after a workout, should reduce a bit of the 'food coma'.

Substances:
- I have now completed 4 days of cjc/ipa at 100mcg/100mcg, followed by two weeks (5 days on, 2 days off) at 150mcg/150mcg. I hardly notice any difference at the moment but I'm only 2.5 weeks in.
- Think I'm noticing a bit more hunger in general so trying to manage calories so I don't get bloated, and a tiny bit more muscle fullness and size, and sleep quality also seems to be pretty good as long as I don't stay up too late.
- MOTS-C I've injected 3.5mg on Thursday before my rest day jog, and on Saturday and Sunday. To be honest I can't say I've noticed much from it so far other than a bit of stinging at the injection site for a few minutes, and maybe the body temperature goes up a bit.
- Cialis 2.5mg daily is great, improves gym pumps, small vascularity improvement in regular life, and bedroom blood flow is definitely peak haha.

Upcoming Week:
- Going to be gym 4 days in a row due to my schedule, Push/Pull/Legs/Upper Monday to Thursday. Recovery jogs on Friday and Sunday, sprints on Saturday.
- CJC/IPA 150mcg/150mcg Monday to Friday.
- MOTS-C 3 x 3.5mg injections, Wednesday before legs, Friday morning, and Sunday morning before fasted jog.

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[treebeard]

yes your fats way too high can you cut fats down to 80?

I thought 300g carbs 100g fats 220g protein was good targets, I'll try reduce the fats where I can, I thought fats was good for ensuring optimal testosterone production and preventing insulin issues that come with high carbs/sugar. Also helps me stay full, especially as I've just started Invisalign so I'll be eating a few big meals per day and way less snacking now I reckon.

Do you reckon if I lower the fats to 80g I try increase the carbs or protein or?

I'm not sure if I can increase the protein more than like 220g daily to be honest, it's already a challenge getting in enough protein sources with low fats since the high fat stuff like chicken drumsticks and mince beef are cheaper and taste better to me, and easy to cook.