don't hijack threads please @want2bcomeMonster , to post reviews on @kiwibulk do it in our EVO ZN sub
Nice! Your flexibility looks heaps better than mine. Steadier hand too.Thanks brother - I followed your advice and marked it out with my phones front camera, then used the one inch needle and quickly stabbed it in all the way, anchored it with light pressure and had full control of the plunger WHILE also holding it straight without jiggling.
Maybe I'll try go slightly lower next time, but I think I'm getting close. Thanks for your help bro, I appreciate it
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bros haah, like bugs
ah okay. makes sense !I get all of my electricity from the bathroom at the gym, I'm there now charging my blender and phone. Probably pushing my luck setting up a rice cooker... but I won't rule it out
yes that's a tablespoon, teaspoon is 4-5 grams lower your intake to 1/3 tablespoon per day @vanlife_gymbum
Bro get yourself some Celtic salt
Any is good bro,ul.pick it up at supermarkets
Fark ur a weaponCool thanks man, it's dole day today so I'll do that. After my empowering woman course which I'm late for
can you do this for me please, sit down and actually count how much salt in your food without adding?
Spoon looks gigantic to me as well. But I have sometimes eaten absurd amounts of salt when I felt I needed it. Maybe it’s ok?
Boil that spoon LOL
but you know what that looks like right? @vanlife_gymbum
Boil that spoon LOL
Looks like a medium tablespoon yes you need 1/4th of that per day in salt, please modify.
@vanlife_gymbum keep up the good work big guy! You’re doing great
That's the good stuff
Thats no problem 1/4 of the spoon on rice is fine dont add more for now lets see @vanlife_gymbum
@vanlife_gymbum Any updates on orals?
Ul notice tbol on the treadmill and extra reps homie
If you’re thinking you’re having prostate inflammation from it I would stop it right away. I used to get it and it sucks. I don’t get it anymore and I don’t know why but my PSA on my blood tests have been good. I used to get a lot of prostate issues when I was natty and drank a lot
I think it's either turinabol or proviron causing it - I used to get these issues from speed and mdma and those kind of drugs and it doesn't seem to be a problem in the morning or until I take those oral steriods. Should I just stop both of those and see what happens?
Idk much about turinabol, but unless you’re having severe issues I B would stop proviron first because it does the least and is the most likely culprit
Hey bro what dose on the tbol? And How long before a workout are you taking it?
Tbols a funny one @vanlife_gymbum
Thats fair play for sure
Tbol, mots c, l-carnitine be aTbols a funny one @vanlife_gymbum
I find it similar to cardarine
You may not 'feel' tbol like you do anavar ect but you will be breezing through cardio and extra reps here n there.
It also has a slight cosmetic i get really sharp capped out shoulders
Awesome bicep veins and pump from it,but this is all just personal. Some people don't like it or say its a waste of time because they can't 'feel' it but just because you can't feel it doesnt necessarily mean its not doing anything.
If that makes sense 'I just finished 12hrs on ns'
of and endurance combination.
spring just started and it's gonna be a long time until winter again and I want to make the most of being active outside.
Awesome bicep veins and pump from it,but this is all just personal. Some people don't like it or say its a waste of time because they can't 'feel' it but just because you can't feel it doesnt necessarily mean its not doing anything.
If that makes sense 'I just finished 12hrs on ns'
Hahaha how good is this, prob got awkward after leaving because your still there having a great timeWhat I was alluding to in my reply to @Eddie Haskell was one of my friend's mrs wants to get into roller skating and bought some fancy skates like mine and I agreed to take her, I was thinking of trying to get on the same beginner's course as I did last year. That was one two hour class a week but it was so fucking intense I nearly spewed he first month or so. I got noticeable fitter in those 12 weeks. My lazy girlfriend at the time who I originally went to support after she seen some girl power movie where a nerdy girl becomes a badass via roller derby dropped out on week five and I kept going. She lent me the money to buy fancy skates and I paid her back before the course finished and it got awkward after she dropped out
Of course it does brother aint no man wanna look like hes giving up in front of a group of womenWhy I brought that up is that's how I got to my cardio limit. I don't think I have it in me to go that hard just under my own direction. Getting your ass kicked by girls who are yelling at you and calling you a pussy really lets you dig deep and do a bit more
The maggie noodle viens lol... when they're that far gone it is very unappealing ey
Of course it does brother aint no man wanna look like hes giving up in front of a group of women
I would stop both orals now, tbol and proviron completely. @vanlife_gymbum increase water intake by 1L.There's a lot of @stevesmi ideas in my stack design, and @LevButlerov thinking on ratios and dosages. I personally would have been tempted to blow off all this research and just taken Anadrol and eaten KFC ad hoped for the best but now glad I didn't go that way
Ok thanks for the info, i was doing it all in one go 40mg about 1.15hr before gym, or if I wanted it to kick in faster sublingul 20 mins before hand. It is super mild but turned into an endurance pig.
I definitely notice the days i dont drink enough. Funny though always smashing water at work but when im home im the same mate its like i forget to drink any lol
Increase the liquids asap pleaseOkay bro thanks, I'll stop taking the orals. You could be on to something with the water, I'd kinda put it to the back of my head somehow but I used to drink 5L a day without fail, I know this because I had a 5L water jug and a 5L piss jug I had to empty every day
But just before I started logging I quit vaping and my water consumption just dropped off completely. My body used to tell me to drink water all the time but doesn't anymore so I need to setup my watch to remind me, I think that might help.
start the herking asap @vanlife_gymbum
Herking or jerking?
both LOLHerking or jerking?
I don’t think 99.99 percent of people have to worry about that. My lower legs do actually have lumpy veins and I think it could get out of hand but I’m not worried because I’m not doing 1/10th of what nick walker does
clearly this works hahahaThat happened to me too.
Good to hear you have a plan of attack and the boys have given you some direction,you'll be back toDay 20: Week 3 Pin & Shake Log
move to test p, ditch orals
I had one thing to do this week so naturally
it ruined my entire life. I swear I used to get more done in a lunch hour than an entire week on the dole.
But I got all my testosterone, equipoise and retatrutide pins done, lifted four times, bought some weed on Tuesday and have been sleeping like a baby since. You may recall I've only been averaging 5 hours when I used to average 9. That's because I was spending all my money on protien and steriods and didn't have any left for weed to make me sleep.
The trend has reversed so well that two nights I couldn't even be assed charging my watching to monitor my sleep and just went to sleep unmonitored:
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I feel much better. That 9 hour sleep I woke up with that feeling I'd overslept but on the whole things are looking up.
After talking with @LevButlerov and @toddthelineman about it I'm going to pause taking Proviron and Turinabol for now while I recalibrate and hopefully start pissing without too much effort again. I probably won't resume those at all this cycle but if I come right I still plan to take anavar near the end.
I am changing things a little bit with my testosterone tho and going to try Test P. I have no problem with pinning enanthate every day and think it's fine to do that but I want to experiment with them and am especially interested since @Mobster says enanthate doesn't have the same affect on him as it does others and want to see if I can notice a difference.
My favorute UGL @AuStarLabs just last week joined us on Evo which I'm stoked about and celebrated by pinning a 100mgs of their Test P into my leg as soon as I got it at 08:01am this morning.
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Even got out the detol for the occasion
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Monday was Equipoise pin day and got the @SWOLENZ ampules out. I've come to love pinning these. The ampules are awesome and I get the big drawing tips out so I can suck the entire amuple load of Equipoise into the rig in one pull
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Three amuples down!
Tuesday test & reta day, pinned reta in stomach:
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Wednesday left quad:
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Thursday tried big needle:
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Friday:
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Went back to the left quad. I woke up to a podcast episode playing the other day, no idea which one but @stevesmi says his right quad doesn't like to be pinned but left one is fine. This is the same as with my legs. I thought it was because of doing it with the wrong hand or reaching around, I've tried a few ways, but maybe that's just how it is.
I had to get dressed to a fairly relaxed standard this week but dressed none the less, and none of my shit fits anymore
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Weight loss slowed a bit but the days I ate and drank extra shakes I was up over 76 again before it dropped again. Definitely didn't eat anywhere near 5kg worth of anything. I had a pot of rice and maybe 5 bits of fruit the whole week.
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Had two days off last weekend as I had to do stuff on the ship but got back in the swing of things on Tuesday and had a good workout aiming to do pulldowns and rows. I got crazy DOMS from this that lasted a few days:
Lat pull down
23kg x 12 light for warmup
27kg x 12 still light
32kg x 12 still light only 30 secs rest
41kg x 30 to see how much I could do, maybe 5 rir
50kg x 12 skipped 46kg - was hard, 2 rir
54kg x 8 maybe 2 rir
Nautilus Row Machine
27kg x 12
27kg x 12 1 rir, arms are burning after
27kg x 12
32kg x 12 to failure - grunted in a girls a meter from me's direction pretty blatantly but she was doing weight stuff too
Ab Cruncher
23kg x 40 spaced me out and was near failure
Assisted Pull-ups
Bar squats plus 5kg
10kg x 12 street-shitter low, felt amazing after
10kg x 12 felt a bit spaced out, need rest
Biceps Curl Machine
36kg x 12 and done
I followed the plan @stevesmi gives in an answer to someone's question on what are the most important bits of equipment and he talks about leg extension and gives advice on how to grind and hammer your legs in this old podcast episode:
He talks about using Hammer Strength machines in particular
They have plate loaded Hammer Strength machines on one side of the big gym I came to today for Heavy Leg Day as there's way more machines than the fancy R18 Nautilus Gym including a lying leg curl, Hammer Strength hacksquat and my preferred type of leg press, the one that could fall and crush you opposed to the one you could just get up and out of they have in the pin loaded Startrack section. I'll write out the rest of leg day tomorrow, it went very well.
Also want to do 100 on the Captins Chair. Did it in 40 40 20 the other day. The last 20 was insanely hard.
Then there were two days where I got up to train at 04:30 AM when my brother in law trains. It was cool being up at that time but my body didn't function. Couldn't even get through the warmup properly and could only manage 5 minutes on the stairmaster and it was difficult straight off the bat.
It usually doesn't get hard until after 5 minutes at least and only a few times I've counted down the time until ten minutes was up, this time I was doing it for 5 after deciding I'd give up half way through
The gym was also packed. I usually do this routine when I'm being lazy but this time it was the only things easily available. Did this both days:
Biceps Curl Machine
32kg x 12
32kg x 12
41kg x 8 to failure
Nautilus Chest Press
32kg x 12 hard but manageable
32kg x 12 0.5 rir
36kg x 10 to failure
Nautilus Shoulder Press
32kg x 12
32kg x 12
36kg x 10
in no time,good luck my g
You’ll probably like it. A whole ml is a big shot and you might get PIP from that.
You’ll probably like it. A whole ml is a big shot and you might get PIP from that.
still happy I've done it, now I can try pick up one of those whacky nerd chicks that knows everything about the KGB.
Good to hear you have a plan of attack and the boys have given you some direction,you'll be back to
Good mindset gI appreciate the prodding about it bro.. I don't think it's worth the side effects from though and it's my first cycle so I should put effort into figuring out this shit, especially since I'm not going to be able to blood test as much as I'd like.
What was your experience with turinabol bro? I love the idea of it and will definitely try it again when I know how my body reacts to steriods a bit better
Bro
we get the situation and support you
@vanlife_gymbum looks good, you pushing it, and thc cbd work well for sleep!
perfect, sleep up!
Good to hear you're cutting orals for now, hows your prostate?
test prop is a good test to use, propionate a bit painful on the pip but good to try.
how about you do more shoulders and arms pinning? possible?
you'll slow on weight loss, as you're leaner already, imo @vanlife_gymbum
Good training and I'm hoping we can grind you hard to get you to do more pull upsad two days off last weekend as I had to do stuff on the ship but got back in the swing of things on Tuesday and had a good workout aiming to do pulldowns and rows. I got crazy DOMS from this that lasted a few days:
Lat pull down
23kg x 12 light for warmup
27kg x 12 still light
32kg x 12 still light only 30 secs rest
41kg x 30 to see how much I could do, maybe 5 rir
50kg x 12 skipped 46kg - was hard, 2 rir
54kg x 8 maybe 2 rir
Nautilus Row Machine
27kg x 12
27kg x 12 1 rir, arms are burning after
27kg x 12
32kg x 12 to failure - grunted in a girls a meter from me's direction pretty blatantly but she was doing weight stuff too
Ab Cruncher
23kg x 40 spaced me out and was near failure
Assisted Pull-ups
Bar squats plus 5kg
10kg x 12 street-shitter low, felt amazing after
10kg x 12 felt a bit spaced out, need rest
Biceps Curl Machine
36kg x 12 and done
I followed the plan @stevesmi gives in an answer to someone's question on what are the most important bits of equipment and he talks about leg extension and gives advice on how to grind and hammer your legs in this old podcast episode:
we get the situation and support you
Good training and I'm hoping we can grind you hard to get you to do more pull ups
give it more time
@vanlife_gymbum test enan and prop close on feeling but with prop you'll get a faster boostI heard that from a few places and was expecting it.. that's one reason I decided to pin a ml this morning. I did concentrate and kept it nice and straight and depressed the plunger smoothly over 20-30 seconds, and that was 3 hours ago and didn't hurt at all.
I don't get pain from @AuStarLabs Test E either. Quite likely they have a secret formula, they're pretty skilled at making test
I'm excited about it. I love testosterone enanthate of course but have been looking forward to experimenting with different esters
for arms I mean like biceps and for back latsDefinitely man - I hit delts on the day with no photo but do it less than the rest - I spent a couple of days getting the glute shot down using the diagram from @waggat the other day. Think I've got that going nicely now.
What should I try? When you say arms you mean just delts? I could also try the lat shots you guys were telling me about last week, I'd have to look that up coz I can't really envision it
So right quad and left delt and either side glute I think I'm getting to a reasonable proficiency with.. I'll try take some short video clips so you can evaluate my technique
pull ups and push ups both need progression, make that #1 to get to steady pull ups and push ups with planks to work the coreAh yeah shit I knew I forgot something... I wrote it in as it is right next to the Nautilus Row machine but it's also right behind where the squat rack thing is, looking over it, and I noticed whenever there's a girl isong the squat cage there's always a guy there "just doing pull ups" and I never got a chance to use it before I was too knackered to try.
It's one thing on my list to make a proper progression plan with. Pull-ups and high rep squats. I've been putting a 5kg plate either side and do agree with the guys who say they need that for stability, it does make a difference so I can as well do it.
I'm getting close to having a proper written schedule/plan
for arms I mean like biceps and for back lats
you can pin both fairly easy you're lean
With your cycle, you are probably holding significant water/glycogen in your muscles. I’ll bet you could try to hold your weight steady and just keep getting leaner and leaner. Possibly, it would work even better!
It took a couple days for me to notice mk, and I started taking it in the morning and then on like the second day it hit me like a truck. The hunger, the fullness, the sleep. I had to back off, but then I felt sensitized and I absolutely can tell when I take it or if I miss taking it.
lets do itOkay cool! Definitely haven't tried biceps, I'll try that tomorrow
@vanlife_gymbum ED push ups 10 per day 5x per day different times.
lets do it
ED push ups 10 per day 5x per day different times.
Every week add 2 push ups, so next week 12 and so on, until you get to 20 and we talk.
Exactly, when you have time, drop and give me 10 lolOkay bro cool - so that would be five different times throughout the day do 10 push-ups, adding up to a total of fifty that day. And increase the reps by 2 every week. Thanks man
you know the old military saying. @vanlife_gymbum 
@vanlife_gymbum nice update man! look forward to having you BACK on the podcast for a part 2. gonna be a good oneDay 20: Week 3 Pin & Shake Log
move to test p, ditch orals
I had one thing to do this week so naturally
it ruined my entire life. I swear I used to get more done in a lunch hour than an entire week on the dole.
But I got all my testosterone, equipoise and retatrutide pins done, lifted four times, bought some weed on Tuesday and have been sleeping like a baby since. You may recall I've only been averaging 5 hours when I used to average 9. That's because I was spending all my money on protien and steriods and didn't have any left for weed to make me sleep.
The trend has reversed so well that two nights I couldn't even be assed charging my watching to monitor my sleep and just went to sleep unmonitored:
View attachment 139271
I feel much better. That 9 hour sleep I woke up with that feeling I'd overslept but on the whole things are looking up.
After talking with @LevButlerov and @toddthelineman about it I'm going to pause taking Proviron and Turinabol for now while I recalibrate and hopefully start pissing without too much effort again. I probably won't resume those at all this cycle but if I come right I still plan to take anavar near the end.
I am changing things a little bit with my testosterone tho and going to try Test P. I have no problem with pinning enanthate every day and think it's fine to do that but I want to experiment with them and am especially interested since @Mobster says enanthate doesn't have the same affect on him as it does others and want to see if I can notice a difference.
My favorute UGL @AuStarLabs just last week joined us on Evo which I'm stoked about and celebrated by pinning a 100mgs of their Test P into my leg as soon as I got it at 08:01am this morning.
View attachment 139272
Even got out the detol for the occasion
View attachment 139273
Monday was Equipoise pin day and got the @SWOLENZ ampules out. I've come to love pinning these. The ampules are awesome and I get the big drawing tips out so I can suck the entire amuple load of Equipoise into the rig in one pull
View attachment 139275
Three amuples down!
Tuesday test & reta day, pinned reta in stomach:
View attachment 139278
Wednesday left quad:
View attachment 139279
Thursday tried big needle:
View attachment 139280
Friday:
View attachment 139281
Went back to the left quad. I woke up to a podcast episode playing the other day, no idea which one but @stevesmi says his right quad doesn't like to be pinned but left one is fine. This is the same as with my legs. I thought it was because of doing it with the wrong hand or reaching around, I've tried a few ways, but maybe that's just how it is.
I had to get dressed to a fairly relaxed standard this week but dressed none the less, and none of my shit fits anymore
View attachment 139274
Weight loss slowed a bit but the days I ate and drank extra shakes I was up over 76 again before it dropped again. Definitely didn't eat anywhere near 5kg worth of anything. I had a pot of rice and maybe 5 bits of fruit the whole week.
View attachment 139276
Had two days off last weekend as I had to do stuff on the ship but got back in the swing of things on Tuesday and had a good workout aiming to do pulldowns and rows. I got crazy DOMS from this that lasted a few days:
Lat pull down
23kg x 12 light for warmup
27kg x 12 still light
32kg x 12 still light only 30 secs rest
41kg x 30 to see how much I could do, maybe 5 rir
50kg x 12 skipped 46kg - was hard, 2 rir
54kg x 8 maybe 2 rir
Nautilus Row Machine
27kg x 12
27kg x 12 1 rir, arms are burning after
27kg x 12
32kg x 12 to failure - grunted in a girls a meter from me's direction pretty blatantly but she was doing weight stuff too
Ab Cruncher
23kg x 40 spaced me out and was near failure
Assisted Pull-ups
Bar squats plus 5kg
10kg x 12 street-shitter low, felt amazing after
10kg x 12 felt a bit spaced out, need rest
Biceps Curl Machine
36kg x 12 and done
I followed the plan @stevesmi gives in an answer to someone's question on what are the most important bits of equipment and he talks about leg extension and gives advice on how to grind and hammer your legs in this old podcast episode:
He talks about using Hammer Strength machines in particular
They have plate loaded Hammer Strength machines on one side of the big gym I came to today for Heavy Leg Day as there's way more machines than the fancy R18 Nautilus Gym including a lying leg curl, Hammer Strength hacksquat and my preferred type of leg press, the one that could fall and crush you opposed to the one you could just get up and out of they have in the pin loaded Startrack section. I'll write out the rest of leg day tomorrow, it went very well.
Also want to do 100 on the Captins Chair. Did it in 40 40 20 the other day. The last 20 was insanely hard.
Then there were two days where I got up to train at 04:30 AM when my brother in law trains. It was cool being up at that time but my body didn't function. Couldn't even get through the warmup properly and could only manage 5 minutes on the stairmaster and it was difficult straight off the bat.
It usually doesn't get hard until after 5 minutes at least and only a few times I've counted down the time until ten minutes was up, this time I was doing it for 5 after deciding I'd give up half way through
The gym was also packed. I usually do this routine when I'm being lazy but this time it was the only things easily available. Did this both days:
Biceps Curl Machine
32kg x 12
32kg x 12
41kg x 8 to failure
Nautilus Chest Press
32kg x 12 hard but manageable
32kg x 12 0.5 rir
36kg x 10 to failure
Nautilus Shoulder Press
32kg x 12
32kg x 12
36kg x 10
EQ is one of my favorites. its an excellent option. slow steady gains you will enjoy it ! @vanlife_gymbumI was expecting that atcually, that's why I did it but it didn't hurt at all. Been an hour now ans
Be Day 20 since my first eq shot, and due again tomorrow which will be my 4th 250mg ampule.
I think it'll be better having less variables. I wasent really expecting to "feel" anything from the proviron but maybe expected something from the turinabol for all the fuss it's caused in the world
I'll go back through my notes but I felt there was a good reason to add the proviron to do with esteogen management but still 250mg of eq is a decent dose from what I can tell, and hopefully helps me with the 500mg of testosterone which I haven't forgotten about or anything haha.
I've been going to the same shisha cafe every sunday for the past month and seem to always be writing a message to you while I'm here
Fair enough bro - I don't disagree with that. I think I'll be okay though and pretty sure I'm going to come right. It's interesting we seem to get thr same suite of sideaffects for things tho.
So now all the gear I'm taking is:
- 500mg testosterone weekly
- 250mg equipoise weekly
- 10mg MK-677 nightly
yes sleep is very important. hopefully you can improve that. @vanlife_gymbum maybe treat yourself to a nice hotel room for the week to get better sleep?
100 situps is doable. just not all at one time @vanlife_gymbum but do as many as you can and take breaks and do moreOkay cool! Definitely haven't tried biceps, I'll try that tomorrow
Okay bro, that's a manageable plan. What do you suggest for pushups? Every day? Should I maybe try the idea @stevesmi gave on the podcast where he says to do 100 situps in the morning - I could do those and push-ups in the morning seperate from lifting at the gym. I'm not familiar with planks but will look them up in my textbook.
bros sometimes stressing liver and mess up sleep and energy. that might be the issue. you should increase support supps. @vanlife_gymbum
Little bolder shoulder hack. After speaking with many big lads with huge shoulders through my years at gym, they all had 1 thing in common: Jabbing delts.
Dont worry about the training, you can get it next time aroundAh shit I completely missed the training stuff. I'll do a training only post on Wednesday and summarise how I've been going and what I've changed lately.
But the push-ups recommended by @LevButlerov on the weekend have been great, I think this plan with short bursts of things outside the gym will work for me. I'll add in @stevesmi morning situp recommendation soon.
When I get back from walks I just been doing 10 push-ups before I climb over the seats and get into my van and it adds up for sure - I like it
Did 5 sets of 10 yesterday and done 2 so far today, but I'm about to go to the gym
perfect
test prop is clean from @AuStarLabs lets see how you like it
good
I like those reta days but hard to eatnicotine patch actually should work but not sure how well.
as long as you got sleep thats #1 dont worry dealers or not just a store to buy something as i see it
EQ you should run it 10-12 weeks minimum. it has a long ester
ladyboys sounds good. how much?Come to Thailand in 6 weeks with me
Wel get gangster hotels and ladyboys
I wonder what a refeed would do for you right now?
good
last few times I got them and ended up just eating whole sheets at a time and making myself sick and blowing out my tolerance for no good reason. They're good right at the start when you're still acutely craving cigarettes it wondering why the vape isn't in your hands as long as you got sleep thats #1 dont worry dealers or not just a store to buy something as i see it
she's really cool, takes all sorts of insane weight loss drugs and hopefully will try retatrutide instead of flying to Turkey to get her stomach stapled like she's planning. The doctors really fucked me over this time.
Good job pinning the delts mate! You'll never go back. You'll notice over time (years) scar tissue will begin to form if you continue injecting in the same site, I can't speak for everyone else, but if there's going to be some scar tissue, I'd much rather it in my delts than my quads
I thought he meant in general but maybe he was letting me in on the secret and I missed it
This caught my eye also,I am flirting with the idea of changing injection sites for next yr
for this in my opinion 
This caught my eye also,I am flirting with the idea of changing injection sites for next yr
I will definitely reach out to you @vanlife_gymbum as you are the
in one of the early comments I talk about the training course I went on to become a volunteer at the exchange in Australia and a bit about the needles there.
I really want to be pushing harder too, and it sucks that I just started the best, biggest project I’ve had in my three years in business at the same time as I started my first real cycle. If I max out at the gym I will 100% hurt myself at work. So I’m not going to get my best results, unfortunately, but I am getting results for sure
That Reta is tricky it seems. It’s working anyway you’re doing great! Very very soon you will be really lean and vascular. Then when you play with carb ups and stuff it will look crazy.
I started in 10 and didn’t notice much, then took 10 again in the morning and on the second day I was eating tacos from the taco truck and got back in line twice while eating tacos. Ate 15 and could’ve ate 30 probably. Then I went back to my rv and started cooking.
I’ve done it. It didn’t affect me much. It gets mixed reviews. Definitely worth a try
Maaaaaan it’s a mess here imo. Genetic drift has ruined some of the best strains. They are very potent but the quality of the high is trash compared to the nineties if you were lucky enough to get top quality back then, which I was.
you should always warm up the gear even when not crystalized btw
reta on stomach fat easier same for hgh btw
thats the reta food battle lol
thats true its all about control with them though I think, the vape is addictive for sure lolMore like I don't need them but they probably have a bunch of crap in them too now you mention it
But I'm six months in now, I'm good there but I do eventually notice if I don't have the patch on. Not right away but definitely after I become aware I don't have it on it becomes a problem soon after haha. It's kinda annoying but I did used to vape 24/7 and literature wake up with it in my hand ready to go every morning. Also used to vape at the gym and with my PT, so things are better. I also smoked for 23 years so not desperate to get off the patches but if the government stops paying for them I will. As it stands I'm their star pupil and they're unlikely to do stop
but gum like chewing and chewing seems okyou have legal weed there right? like medical?Agreed! Like a store execpt a fat unemployed woman the government paired me with
We don't have the whole doctor scam system like in America because we have a socialised health care system, the scams happen at a higher level than the doctor themselves. But this legalities medical weed thing is a full on loop hole, there's these giant Canadian owned weed "clinics" and the one I was using, the Cannabis Clinic turned into a full on scam operation. The chick from my dole course has been much more reliable than them too
It was nice to not be committing any crimes at all for once (if you don't count traffic offences) but ah well, I tried.
I think weed should be legalised and regulated. I dont have a problem with this, alcohole cause significantly more problems for people and society then weed does.you should always warm up the gear even when not crystalized btw
you can put eq in delt how many mls? @vanlife_gymbum
reta on stomach fat easier same for hgh btw
thats the reta food battle lol
thats true its all about control with them though I think, the vape is addictive for sure lol
i guess not for all lol
you have legal weed there right? like medical?
i dont even understand why they make weed or steroids illegal, im not a smoker myself but whats the point of chasing some guy smoking a joint? just from logical side right. same for steroids ooo nooo some guy trying to get jacked better go arrest him, come on now
get that meth head, or crack head or heroin or fentanyl guy thats important, use those resources
sorry I ranted tonight LOL
@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz @toddthelineman @Pigsy @Allupfromhere @Dreamer @Freki @SPOONMAN366 what do you think about legalizing?
for sure make it legal
that's a hardcore sandwichNah you didn't, I've not known where to begin
We finished our Vision Boards and now are learning about the 5 H's to evaluate things instead of a pros and cons list.
The chicks are still real crazy but I am super grateful I'm not horny at all, else I'd probably get in trouble here.
They're like follow you home if you take too long to reply to a text type crazy.
In my imagination yoga classes are like this but with normal chicks. I still haven't been to yoga
We finish at lunchtime tomorrow and then I'm going to the needle exchange to get some equipoise, testosterone propionate and sustenon tested for @kiwibulk
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And then I'm sit down and try at least summarise the course so far and its participants and their behaviour haha. I don't think I'm much closer to getting the welding apprenticeship at the fire department I thought I was going for, but I'm having fun
Plus it was dole day today so gonna buy another bag of weed from the big girl again tomorrow. She's keen to get on the retatrutide so we're gonna have coffee and talk about it. Also just reupped on eggs, whey and bananas, haven't had protien for two days due to finances.
This is what they gave us for lunch today, I ate one and a quarter of the other before retatrutide decided I'd had enough
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@vanlife_gymbum You should swap reta for weed with her lolPlus it was dole day today so gonna buy another bag of weed from the big girl again tomorrow. She's keen to get on the retatrutide so we're gonna have coffee and talk about it. Also just reupped on eggs, whey and bananas, haven't had protien for two days due to finances.
This is what they gave us for lunch today, I ate one and a quarter of the other before retatrutide decided I'd had enough
DSIP we will need to look into this for a megathread @Life-Forge
Great update brother. Love healthy detailsDay 20: Week 3 Pin & Shake Log
move to test p, ditch orals
I had one thing to do this week so naturally
it ruined my entire life. I swear I used to get more done in a lunch hour than an entire week on the dole.
But I got all my testosterone, equipoise and retatrutide pins done, lifted four times, bought some weed on Tuesday and have been sleeping like a baby since. You may recall I've only been averaging 5 hours when I used to average 9. That's because I was spending all my money on protien and steriods and didn't have any left for weed to make me sleep.
The trend has reversed so well that two nights I couldn't even be assed charging my watching to monitor my sleep and just went to sleep unmonitored:
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I feel much better. That 9 hour sleep I woke up with that feeling I'd overslept but on the whole things are looking up.
After talking with @LevButlerov and @toddthelineman about it I'm going to pause taking Proviron and Turinabol for now while I recalibrate and hopefully start pissing without too much effort again. I probably won't resume those at all this cycle but if I come right I still plan to take anavar near the end.
I am changing things a little bit with my testosterone tho and going to try Test P. I have no problem with pinning enanthate every day and think it's fine to do that but I want to experiment with them and am especially interested since @Mobster says enanthate doesn't have the same affect on him as it does others and want to see if I can notice a difference.
My favorute UGL @AuStarLabs just last week joined us on Evo which I'm stoked about and celebrated by pinning a 100mgs of their Test P into my leg as soon as I got it at 08:01am this morning.
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Even got out the detol for the occasion
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Monday was Equipoise pin day and got the @SWOLENZ ampules out. I've come to love pinning these. The ampules are awesome and I get the big drawing tips out so I can suck the entire amuple load of Equipoise into the rig in one pull
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Three amuples down!
Tuesday test & reta day, pinned reta in stomach:
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Wednesday left quad:
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Thursday tried big needle:
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Friday:
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Went back to the left quad. I woke up to a podcast episode playing the other day, no idea which one but @stevesmi says his right quad doesn't like to be pinned but left one is fine. This is the same as with my legs. I thought it was because of doing it with the wrong hand or reaching around, I've tried a few ways, but maybe that's just how it is.
I had to get dressed to a fairly relaxed standard this week but dressed none the less, and none of my shit fits anymore
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Weight loss slowed a bit but the days I ate and drank extra shakes I was up over 76 again before it dropped again. Definitely didn't eat anywhere near 5kg worth of anything. I had a pot of rice and maybe 5 bits of fruit the whole week.
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Had two days off last weekend as I had to do stuff on the ship but got back in the swing of things on Tuesday and had a good workout aiming to do pulldowns and rows. I got crazy DOMS from this that lasted a few days:
Lat pull down
23kg x 12 light for warmup
27kg x 12 still light
32kg x 12 still light only 30 secs rest
41kg x 30 to see how much I could do, maybe 5 rir
50kg x 12 skipped 46kg - was hard, 2 rir
54kg x 8 maybe 2 rir
Nautilus Row Machine
27kg x 12
27kg x 12 1 rir, arms are burning after
27kg x 12
32kg x 12 to failure - grunted in a girls a meter from me's direction pretty blatantly but she was doing weight stuff too
Ab Cruncher
23kg x 40 spaced me out and was near failure
Assisted Pull-ups
Bar squats plus 5kg
10kg x 12 street-shitter low, felt amazing after
10kg x 12 felt a bit spaced out, need rest
Biceps Curl Machine
36kg x 12 and done
I followed the plan @stevesmi gives in an answer to someone's question on what are the most important bits of equipment and he talks about leg extension and gives advice on how to grind and hammer your legs in this old podcast episode:
He talks about using Hammer Strength machines in particular
They have plate loaded Hammer Strength machines on one side of the big gym I came to today for Heavy Leg Day as there's way more machines than the fancy R18 Nautilus Gym including a lying leg curl, Hammer Strength hacksquat and my preferred type of leg press, the one that could fall and crush you opposed to the one you could just get up and out of they have in the pin loaded Startrack section. I'll write out the rest of leg day tomorrow, it went very well.
Also want to do 100 on the Captins Chair. Did it in 40 40 20 the other day. The last 20 was insanely hard.
Then there were two days where I got up to train at 04:30 AM when my brother in law trains. It was cool being up at that time but my body didn't function. Couldn't even get through the warmup properly and could only manage 5 minutes on the stairmaster and it was difficult straight off the bat.
It usually doesn't get hard until after 5 minutes at least and only a few times I've counted down the time until ten minutes was up, this time I was doing it for 5 after deciding I'd give up half way through
The gym was also packed. I usually do this routine when I'm being lazy but this time it was the only things easily available. Did this both days:
Biceps Curl Machine
32kg x 12
32kg x 12
41kg x 8 to failure
Nautilus Chest Press
32kg x 12 hard but manageable
32kg x 12 0.5 rir
36kg x 10 to failure
Nautilus Shoulder Press
32kg x 12
32kg x 12
36kg x 10
but that's a big week for Evo NZ. One a month was good before. so I decided to put SOME effort into this.
Awesome update mate. Re the attention you get at the women of worth course.... do you think you might have the kavorka???Day 25: Been a Long Week...
Feeling a new sense of purpose
I've settled in nicely with the Woman of Worth and things are heating up and moving into action stages. While I was not being disturuptive, apart from being so attractive the woman couldn't concentrate on their self-esteem issues or behave themselves, I was perhaps not taking it as seriously as I could have initially.
I was atcually trying to get an apprenticeship to become a welder at the fire department working on building fire engines, so I can use their shit after hours to pimp my van, and somehow ended up in a self development course for unemployed woman. But in my experience pointing out these mistakes makes them much worse so I decided to just roll with it.
Out of all the things I've changed an experimented with, and the bad training weeks I sometimes have, I have no chanced my diet much from the 20 eggs and when shakes plan I hammered out with the help of @LevButlerov over eight weeks ago. Just re-upped on eggs yesterday:
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I have not eaten much else the past two weeks but did have a bit of fruit and two pots pd rice. Accidentally got wholegrain rice but I will get a 5kg sack of white rice with my remaining $10.
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Supplements on track too, the @Life-Forge bottle is Ibutamoren (MK-677) I am now logging that doe Life Forge too, I wanted to make sure I was going to stick with it before saying anything. After talking to @toddthelineman about it I've upped my dose from 10mg to 20mg each night and will log more details in the near future.
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I already mentioned the female Tony Robbins clone that leads the class, she's short and chubby and South African, when she was talking about small goals she said she always wanted to do 200kg on the leg press, I forget the reason but that caught my attention as last I checked I could only do 109kg on the leg press.
She even fed me a story about how woman have naturally powerful legs or some shit but I interrupted and got the conversation back to the details of this but she's a popular lady so don't yet know how long this took or what she did but I'll be hitting her up for more details.
The last week and a bit have been about finding non-traditional employment, working in the community, how you don't need permission to start doing stuff, and how looking to traditional community outlets for things can be beneficial in other areas. That's been my experience with things too.
Half the shit she said was full hippy half way through a pound of weed grade shit, she was on fire and it was awesome atcually but then she dived sharply into details and action steps and asking people what they're gonna do and stuff like that.
She talked abot building communities around interested and problems and goals, and how to divide and conquer, like instead of fretting about global warming and arguing with shills paid by Shell Corporation online, go and plant some fucking trees and pick up some rubbish. Dump it over the fence of any Shell office of outlet - I already checked and they said it's fine.
It was here I started to connect all the shit I've done through Evo to this stuff she was saying. I really feel there's a community right here, it provides a bunch of the core functions she gave as examples. Once we get taught or helped to figure things out, we can take the mentoring role for that thing and teach the next guy.
This is how 12 step groups work, you get helped through the book and the steps, and once you've done them and they solved your problem you teach he next guy who shows up all drunk and fucked up and not knowing what to do. That can work for almost anything.
I wanted to post a few days ago but two new kiwi loggers joined and I wanted to spend some time with them and turned out that took time
Check out @antipodean who's about to try fix his health with testosterone therapy, same reason I came here. And @Joel Gibbons who has a history of addiction like me, and just got out from a two month forced vacation which he spent doing 1000 push-ups a day and is about to incorporate testosterone into his recovery too.
The demand for people needing TRT who have beem abandoned by The System is increasing in New Zeapand and the more I get into this the worse the picture is. There's a clear way I can help others laid out right in front of me and hopefully I can figure out a way to make something of it - finishing off my guide to self-trt in NZ would be a good start.
I've got the next sub section on Drugs Checking and Lab Testing nearly ready for @LevButlerov to review for me. The needle exchange part is good enough, drug testing stuff is good, I just need more stuff on sourcing now.
With testosterone I've decided to ignore the law. I'm not any kind of business and am not going to be importing any commercial quantities which would really get their attention but one vial will last 4 months at 150mg a week TRT dose which is amazing.
With a few of the people I've helped so far, needles being the problem came up a few times, that's why I wrote the needle exchange guide but even more than that the gear being questioned has come up, and guys' wives complaining about "bathtub meds" and shit. If only they could see where the shit they buy from the supermarket has been... at least the bathtub is clean
That would be laying out the options in NZ, testing new potential sources for Evo, testing gear for sources and end users, and doing batch testing on my source @AuStarLabs who's atcually the only source with batch numbers we currently have. Showing others how to do it. For every vial you can not only do instant on the spot testing at the exchange but now they will foot the bill for full testing. I'm waiting for the batch of orals I sent in 4 weeks ago to be done and then I will use those as an example of how to do it yourself and post it all to a tread.
I got the last questions I had answered by the lab techs this week and they confirmed for EVERY sample we can get full lab testing done if we want. I have only been sending things that don't read correctly on the smaller machine in, like testosterone propionate at 100mg per ml was not strong enough to read, and I got a Sustanon blend tested and test prop didn't show up but the other three esters did. So both of those vials I sent for full testing but only for completeness, I was happy with those Sustanon results as they were. I made a thread about that here.
The great thing about testing samples is I get samples to test. These are the @kiwibulk vials I got tested:
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I have injected 1ml of testosterone propionate in two .5ml pins, and 1ml of the Sustanon blend, this Monday its equipoise pin day and I'll use this @kiwibulk vial as it's the only equipoise I have that tested okay and I'll log that here for @kiwibulk too.
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After heating it up I did 50mg or 0.5ml:
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I'm new to these 1.5" needles, look at that fucking thing!! But I'm comfortable with my glute shots now. After trying all the info from @waggat and getting sign off on the injection site being correct by @HarleyGuy I think I'm good with that spot and will be using it as part of the rotation.
But that leads me to the topic I gotta come clean on... I have failed to switch to testosterone propionate. I really really wanted to, @AuStarLabs hooked me up with their gear and the first few days the mental affects are noticeable and different, I figured since I already pin daily it should be an easy change and Monday and Tuesday were great days at my dole course, I was social and confident and felt fucking great, like content just being there and unbothered by anything, I'm sure the propionate was responsible for some, especially the day after I had the Sustanon pin as that's got prop too...
...but my body is not digging it. You wouldn't believe the health problems I'm able to ignore. I never wrote about my first OD, the one I woke up from by myself 30 hours later, but I breifly mentioned it on the podcast interview saying my arm didn't work for six months.
I woke up from the overdose and it just didn't function anymore, I could not move it at all, but could move my fingers a bit. So I used to use my left hand to pick up my right arm and place it on the table so I could line the needle up and hold it straight enough and get a finger on the plunger, but couldn't aim with it. The entire arm with needle in hand was like an automatic plunger presser. I could only press it. I also rigged up a pulley system to jerk off once on a crack bender but I'll save that for another time.
What I'm trying to say is that if it was possible for me to ignore I wouldn't even be writing this. But I have to accept my body doesn't like it.
I tried two days of half and half mix with heated enanthate, put those those in my quads and glutes which I think are the spot I'm best at as I've never had issues. I did one at 1" deep, needle fully anchored (all the way in pressed up against the skin) and one at 1.5" which I only just learnt from @HarleyGuy but have now done 6 times in glutes.
Once over the mental hurdle it was fine... one and a half inches is no joke though, you should be very sure you have the right spot!! 1.5" is how you write it I think, behold:
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I never usually feel those at all but my ability to walk declined as the day went on. That injection site is usually a black hole but I can feel exactly where the depots are... not just there but in my delts too, they have three or four pins each in them and I can not only still feel them, but based on the intensity of pain, swelling, inflammation, whatever it is, I can tell which ones I did on which days. That's all the spots I know how to pin tried now.
But fuck, I've tried three different types just to make sure, and incase people tried to blame the gear they are all from different brands. Two UGL and one is a Chinese generic whitelabel type thing.
They all felt the same. I've done several small injections, full 1ml pins, half and half mixes, I've warmed it various ways, doesn't seem to change much execpt the first day I did the full ml cold in my quad, that took the longest to come on and I was so sure than was fine 8 hours later that I atcually said in my touchdown thread that I didn't get any PIP, but it caught up over night.
This shot is 50/50 with Test E, the prop went in first:
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I warmed the test enanthate up ad well as the test prop
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And this particular one went to my quad, but I've tried both delts, glues and this is the 2nd time I've done this quad:
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I would have liked to struggle with it for a month before deciding as I do think the mental affects have been much more noticeable, it is great affect wise but I was feeling pretty good on daily test e shots too, and I don't think it's a big enough difference to want to put up with this for. I don't think I've got much to gain by doing that and I won't be able to train properly feeling like this.
So I'm gonna talk to my testosterone supplier @AuStarLabs and change back to their testosterone enanthate which I've been using since the very start and revisit test p another time . I still have a fill bottle of Test P so I could try experiment with like putting 0.1ml (10mg) of test prop in my 0.71ml daily shots and if that is not noticeable physically I think that 10mg peaking in your body in the morning might help.
Testosterone Injections are part of my morning routine, I feel better just going through the motions and knowing I have testosterone on board but that might add something extra. Most prescription Sustanon users report a sharp dip after three or four days, that's probably the prop wearing off.
I didn't go to the gym this week but have beem doing over 25k steps and doing the 5 lots of 10 push-ups throughout the day @LevButlerov suggested and it's working as good for me, I'll write more on his later but my phone is on 1% battery so I better press send before it dies.
Have a good weekend guys, I'm having a chat with @stevesmi and @Mobster tonight so gotta sort this power issue
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