Approved Log PCT and Peptides Log

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #21 21/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1mg
-GH 2IU

Short sleep but got enough out of it for a 4AM work start. Dreamt too many times last night (hence the double wake up around 1 ish). I think I've settled with 1mg DSIP and 2IU GH.

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg today
NAD+ 25mg today
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 - 2.5mg tonight
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg today
DSIP
Selank
Semax
Testagen 1mg today

Training Log
Back and Hams
Mood: 10/10
Focus: 9/10
Post Workout Fatigue: None!

Pre and intra workouts
-NonStim Preworkout
-V 250ml can zero sugar
-Banana
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1mg
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Another awesome morning to get some quick training in. Today's workout was absolutely enjoyable. Don't have enough time for plate loading so had to stick to machines and cables

Chest-Supported T-bar Row (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 83.5 x8
2 83.5 x7
3 83.5 x6

Pull-Up Wide Overhand Grip (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 BW x8
2 BW x7
3 BW x6.5

Cable Row (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 75 x8
2 75 x8
3 75 x7

Lat Pulldown Reverse Grip (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 68 x10
2 68 x9
3 68 x8

Seated Leg Curl (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 54kg x13
2 54kg x11
3 54kg x10

Prone Leg Curl (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 55.5 x10
2 55.5 x8
3 55.5 x8

Cable Face Pull (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 21 x12
2 21 x10
3 21 x10

Sneak photo of my last set of cable face pull! I love this exercise because it's an awesome way to train the back double bicep pose! My rhomboid gets ripped to shreds at the end though

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[LevButlerov]

I've been doing subq the whole time but actually if the whole process fails this time round, I want to try IM next to see if it may make a difference (since it should be deep enough hopefully....)

try it orally too maybe a good try as well

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #21 21/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1mg
-GH 2IU

Short sleep but got enough out of it for a 4AM work start. Dreamt too many times last night (hence the double wake up around 1 ish). I think I've settled with 1mg DSIP and 2IU GH.

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg today
NAD+ 25mg today
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 - 2.5mg tonight
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg today
DSIP
Selank
Semax
Testagen 1mg today

Training Log
Back and Hams
Mood: 10/10
Focus: 9/10
Post Workout Fatigue: None!

Pre and intra workouts
-NonStim Preworkout
-V 250ml can zero sugar
-Banana
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1mg
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Another awesome morning to get some quick training in. Today's workout was absolutely enjoyable. Don't have enough time for plate loading so had to stick to machines and cables

Chest-Supported T-bar Row (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 83.5 x8
2 83.5 x7
3 83.5 x6

Pull-Up Wide Overhand Grip (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 BW x8
2 BW x7
3 BW x6.5

Cable Row (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 75 x8
2 75 x8
3 75 x7

Lat Pulldown Reverse Grip (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 68 x10
2 68 x9
3 68 x8

Seated Leg Curl (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 54kg x13
2 54kg x11
3 54kg x10

Prone Leg Curl (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 55.5 x10
2 55.5 x8
3 55.5 x8

Cable Face Pull (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 21 x12
2 21 x10
3 21 x10

Sneak photo of my last set of cable face pull! I love this exercise because it's an awesome way to train the back double bicep pose! My rhomboid gets ripped to shreds at the end though

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

big training i like your lat pulls keep it up and go strong

 

[bss]

Sleep Log #21 21/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1mg
-GH 2IU

Short sleep but got enough out of it for a 4AM work start. Dreamt too many times last night (hence the double wake up around 1 ish). I think I've settled with 1mg DSIP and 2IU GH.

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg today
NAD+ 25mg today
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 - 2.5mg tonight
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg today
DSIP
Selank
Semax
Testagen 1mg today

Training Log
Back and Hams
Mood: 10/10
Focus: 9/10
Post Workout Fatigue: None!

Pre and intra workouts
-NonStim Preworkout
-V 250ml can zero sugar
-Banana
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1mg
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Another awesome morning to get some quick training in. Today's workout was absolutely enjoyable. Don't have enough time for plate loading so had to stick to machines and cables

Chest-Supported T-bar Row (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 83.5 x8
2 83.5 x7
3 83.5 x6

Pull-Up Wide Overhand Grip (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 BW x8
2 BW x7
3 BW x6.5

Cable Row (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 75 x8
2 75 x8
3 75 x7

Lat Pulldown Reverse Grip (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 68 x10
2 68 x9
3 68 x8

Seated Leg Curl (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 54kg x13
2 54kg x11
3 54kg x10

Prone Leg Curl (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 55.5 x10
2 55.5 x8
3 55.5 x8

Cable Face Pull (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 21 x12
2 21 x10
3 21 x10

Sneak photo of my last set of cable face pull! I love this exercise because it's an awesome way to train the back double bicep pose! My rhomboid gets ripped to shreds at the end though

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

Locking in 1mg DSIP + 2IU GH as the sleep stack floor after 21 logs of testing is the data-driven dial-in that actually works brother

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #22 22/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1mg
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 10mg

Better sleep last night. This time adding 10mg Melatonin trying to lock the sleep. Still failed to stop waking up to go pee. May need to take sleep supplements 2hrs before bed and not 60min.

Interesting had peak HR but managed to stay asleep this time! That 2IU GH finally locking sleep in!

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP
Selank 1mg
Semax
Testagen 1mg

Training Log
Chest Shoulder (Quick 30)
Mood: 7/10
Focus: 9/10
Post Workout Fatigue: None!

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-Banana
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1mg
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Finished work really late today and basically rushed to hit gym quickly before kid gets home. Not really in the mood this time round.

Flat Dumbbell Press (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 80 x10
2 80 x9
3 80 x8

Barbell Incline Press (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 60 x10
2 60 x9
3 60 x8

Machine Shoulder Press (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 53 x8
2 53 x7
3 53 x6

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC ARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #22 22/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-Glycine 3g
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1mg
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 10mg

Better sleep last night. This time adding 10mg Melatonin trying to lock the sleep. Still failed to stop waking up to go pee. May need to take sleep supplements 2hrs before bed and not 60min.

Interesting had peak HR but managed to stay asleep this time! That 2IU GH finally locking sleep in!

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP
Selank 1mg
Semax
Testagen 1mg

Training Log
Chest Shoulder (Quick 30)
Mood: 7/10
Focus: 9/10
Post Workout Fatigue: None!

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-Banana
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1mg
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Finished work really late today and basically rushed to hit gym quickly before kid gets home. Not really in the mood this time round.

Flat Dumbbell Press (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 80 x10
2 80 x9
3 80 x8

Barbell Incline Press (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 60 x10
2 60 x9
3 60 x8

Machine Shoulder Press (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 53 x8
2 53 x7
3 53 x6

The Prymal Team: @Prymal @bss @Made_Man @Yeahnah @G8MARC ARC @jenkemj @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Jigglybuff

80s strong dumbbell press working it

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #23 23/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 5mg

Damn these 4AM morning starts really sucks. Bad sleep this time round. The compounds really had me waking up super groggy. Might need a different strategy for 4AM wakeups vs normal days.

Sleep Score : 5.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP
Selank 1mg
Semax
Testagen 1mg

Pep routine is still doing well. Admittedly, SS-31 and NAD+ is seriously doing the heavy lfiting to helping getting through the morning work outs.

Training Log
Legs (machine only)
Mood: 8/10
Focus: 8/10
Post Workout Fatigue: legs quivering!

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1.5mg
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Another sneak morning workout session. Had to stick only to machines this time because I got a meeting at 8AM... seriously, who fking has the right idea to setup 8AM meetings....

Interesting that in the past I would dread morning workouts but now I'm loving it. Maybe it has to do with my mitochondrial adaption able to utilise the fat stores more efficiently now. Thanks @Prymal for bringing back morning workout routines.

I also got city2surf in August so gotta start training them chicken legs again before going through hard cardio training from next month onwards!

Machine Leg Press (2X1X) (RPE8-9)
1 135 x13
2 135 x12
3 135 x11

Machine Leg Extention (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 89 x13
2 89 x12
3 89 x11

Seated Leg Curl (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 63.5 x12
2 63.5 x11
3 63.5 x9

Prone Leg Curl (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 60 x9
2 60 x8
2 60 x7

Hip Adduction Machine (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 35 x 13
2 35 x12
3 35 x11

Still working through the origin torn adductor. Can't fully stretch it out during eccentric so had to slow it down at its stop limit before going back on concentric phase. Many months of rehab to go before getting back to prime.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #23 23/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 5mg

Damn these 4AM morning starts really sucks. Bad sleep this time round. The compounds really had me waking up super groggy. Might need a different strategy for 4AM wakeups vs normal days.

Sleep Score : 5.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP
Selank 1mg
Semax
Testagen 1mg

Pep routine is still doing well. Admittedly, SS-31 and NAD+ is seriously doing the heavy lfiting to helping getting through the morning work outs.

Training Log
Legs (machine only)
Mood: 8/10
Focus: 8/10
Post Workout Fatigue: legs quivering!

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1.5mg
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Another sneak morning workout session. Had to stick only to machines this time because I got a meeting at 8AM... seriously, who fking has the right idea to setup 8AM meetings....

Interesting that in the past I would dread morning workouts but now I'm loving it. Maybe it has to do with my mitochondrial adaption able to utilise the fat stores more efficiently now. Thanks @Prymal for bringing back morning workout routines.

I also got city2surf in August so gotta start training them chicken legs again before going through hard cardio training from next month onwards!

Machine Leg Press (2X1X) (RPE8-9)
1 135 x13
2 135 x12
3 135 x11

Machine Leg Extention (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 89 x13
2 89 x12
3 89 x11

Seated Leg Curl (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 63.5 x12
2 63.5 x11
3 63.5 x9

Prone Leg Curl (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 60 x9
2 60 x8
2 60 x7

Hip Adduction Machine (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 35 x 13
2 35 x12
3 35 x11

Still working through the origin torn adductor. Can't fully stretch it out during eccentric so had to slow it down at its stop limit before going back on concentric phase. Many months of rehab to go before getting back to prime.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

strong training leg press 135 big pump of course! the torn adductor you need to be careful with it

 

[bss]

@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Sleep Log #23 23/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 5mg

Damn these 4AM morning starts really sucks. Bad sleep this time round. The compounds really had me waking up super groggy. Might need a different strategy for 4AM wakeups vs normal days.

Sleep Score : 5.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP
Selank 1mg
Semax
Testagen 1mg

Pep routine is still doing well. Admittedly, SS-31 and NAD+ is seriously doing the heavy lfiting to helping getting through the morning work outs.

Training Log
Legs (machine only)
Mood: 8/10
Focus: 8/10
Post Workout Fatigue: legs quivering!

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1.5mg
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Another sneak morning workout session. Had to stick only to machines this time because I got a meeting at 8AM... seriously, who fking has the right idea to setup 8AM meetings....

Interesting that in the past I would dread morning workouts but now I'm loving it. Maybe it has to do with my mitochondrial adaption able to utilise the fat stores more efficiently now. Thanks @Prymal for bringing back morning workout routines.

I also got city2surf in August so gotta start training them chicken legs again before going through hard cardio training from next month onwards!

Machine Leg Press (2X1X) (RPE8-9)
1 135 x13
2 135 x12
3 135 x11

Machine Leg Extention (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 89 x13
2 89 x12
3 89 x11

Seated Leg Curl (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 63.5 x12
2 63.5 x11
3 63.5 x9

Prone Leg Curl (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 60 x9
2 60 x8
2 60 x7

Hip Adduction Machine (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 35 x 13
2 35 x12
3 35 x11

Still working through the origin torn adductor. Can't fully stretch it out during eccentric so had to slow it down at its stop limit before going back on concentric phase. Many months of rehab to go before getting back to prime.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Sticking to machines only with a slow eccentric on the adduction work is the smart rehab call while the origin tear knits brother

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Sleep Log #23 23/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 5mg

Damn these 4AM morning starts really sucks. Bad sleep this time round. The compounds really had me waking up super groggy. Might need a different strategy for 4AM wakeups vs normal days.

Sleep Score : 5.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP
Selank 1mg
Semax
Testagen 1mg

Pep routine is still doing well. Admittedly, SS-31 and NAD+ is seriously doing the heavy lfiting to helping getting through the morning work outs.

Training Log
Legs (machine only)
Mood: 8/10
Focus: 8/10
Post Workout Fatigue: legs quivering!

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1.5mg
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Another sneak morning workout session. Had to stick only to machines this time because I got a meeting at 8AM... seriously, who fking has the right idea to setup 8AM meetings....

Interesting that in the past I would dread morning workouts but now I'm loving it. Maybe it has to do with my mitochondrial adaption able to utilise the fat stores more efficiently now. Thanks @Prymal for bringing back morning workout routines.

I also got city2surf in August so gotta start training them chicken legs again before going through hard cardio training from next month onwards!

Machine Leg Press (2X1X) (RPE8-9)
1 135 x13
2 135 x12
3 135 x11

Machine Leg Extention (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 89 x13
2 89 x12
3 89 x11

Seated Leg Curl (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 63.5 x12
2 63.5 x11
3 63.5 x9

Prone Leg Curl (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 60 x9
2 60 x8
2 60 x7

Hip Adduction Machine (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 35 x 13
2 35 x12
3 35 x11

Still working through the origin torn adductor. Can't fully stretch it out during eccentric so had to slow it down at its stop limit before going back on concentric phase. Many months of rehab to go before getting back to prime.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Yo fuck that dork for the 8am meeting.

What kind of loser does that?

 

[Mobster]

Damn these 4AM morning starts really sucks. Bad sleep this time round. The compounds really had me waking up super groggy. Might need a different strategy for 4AM wakeups vs normal days.

Are you adjusting other times through the day?

 

[stevesmi]

Sleep Log #23 23/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 5mg

Damn these 4AM morning starts really sucks. Bad sleep this time round. The compounds really had me waking up super groggy. Might need a different strategy for 4AM wakeups vs normal days.

Sleep Score : 5.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP
Selank 1mg
Semax
Testagen 1mg

Pep routine is still doing well. Admittedly, SS-31 and NAD+ is seriously doing the heavy lfiting to helping getting through the morning work outs.

Training Log
Legs (machine only)
Mood: 8/10
Focus: 8/10
Post Workout Fatigue: legs quivering!

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1.5mg
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Another sneak morning workout session. Had to stick only to machines this time because I got a meeting at 8AM... seriously, who fking has the right idea to setup 8AM meetings....

Interesting that in the past I would dread morning workouts but now I'm loving it. Maybe it has to do with my mitochondrial adaption able to utilise the fat stores more efficiently now. Thanks @Prymal for bringing back morning workout routines.

I also got city2surf in August so gotta start training them chicken legs again before going through hard cardio training from next month onwards!

Machine Leg Press (2X1X) (RPE8-9)
1 135 x13
2 135 x12
3 135 x11

Machine Leg Extention (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 89 x13
2 89 x12
3 89 x11

Seated Leg Curl (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 63.5 x12
2 63.5 x11
3 63.5 x9

Prone Leg Curl (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 60 x9
2 60 x8
2 60 x7

Hip Adduction Machine (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 35 x 13
2 35 x12
3 35 x11

Still working through the origin torn adductor. Can't fully stretch it out during eccentric so had to slow it down at its stop limit before going back on concentric phase. Many months of rehab to go before getting back to prime.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

@OwEv751 nice job man. The leg training looks fantastic. I like the leg curl and I like the adduction machine.

 

[ceo]

Sleep Log #23 23/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 5mg

Damn these 4AM morning starts really sucks. Bad sleep this time round. The compounds really had me waking up super groggy. Might need a different strategy for 4AM wakeups vs normal days.

Sleep Score : 5.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP
Selank 1mg
Semax
Testagen 1mg

Pep routine is still doing well. Admittedly, SS-31 and NAD+ is seriously doing the heavy lfiting to helping getting through the morning work outs.

Training Log
Legs (machine only)
Mood: 8/10
Focus: 8/10
Post Workout Fatigue: legs quivering!

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1.5mg
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Another sneak morning workout session. Had to stick only to machines this time because I got a meeting at 8AM... seriously, who fking has the right idea to setup 8AM meetings....

Interesting that in the past I would dread morning workouts but now I'm loving it. Maybe it has to do with my mitochondrial adaption able to utilise the fat stores more efficiently now. Thanks @Prymal for bringing back morning workout routines.

I also got city2surf in August so gotta start training them chicken legs again before going through hard cardio training from next month onwards!

Machine Leg Press (2X1X) (RPE8-9)
1 135 x13
2 135 x12
3 135 x11

Machine Leg Extention (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 89 x13
2 89 x12
3 89 x11

Seated Leg Curl (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 63.5 x12
2 63.5 x11
3 63.5 x9

Prone Leg Curl (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 60 x9
2 60 x8
2 60 x7

Hip Adduction Machine (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 35 x 13
2 35 x12
3 35 x11

Still working through the origin torn adductor. Can't fully stretch it out during eccentric so had to slow it down at its stop limit before going back on concentric phase. Many months of rehab to go before getting back to prime.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Bros, hell yeah, this is another good workout, hitting a lot of good exercises on the legs. @OwEv751

 

[Ulter]

Sleep Log #23 23/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 5mg

Damn these 4AM morning starts really sucks. Bad sleep this time round. The compounds really had me waking up super groggy. Might need a different strategy for 4AM wakeups vs normal days.

Sleep Score : 5.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP
Selank 1mg
Semax
Testagen 1mg

Pep routine is still doing well. Admittedly, SS-31 and NAD+ is seriously doing the heavy lfiting to helping getting through the morning work outs.

Training Log
Legs (machine only)
Mood: 8/10
Focus: 8/10
Post Workout Fatigue: legs quivering!

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1.5mg
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Another sneak morning workout session. Had to stick only to machines this time because I got a meeting at 8AM... seriously, who fking has the right idea to setup 8AM meetings....

Interesting that in the past I would dread morning workouts but now I'm loving it. Maybe it has to do with my mitochondrial adaption able to utilise the fat stores more efficiently now. Thanks @Prymal for bringing back morning workout routines.

I also got city2surf in August so gotta start training them chicken legs again before going through hard cardio training from next month onwards!

Machine Leg Press (2X1X) (RPE8-9)
1 135 x13
2 135 x12
3 135 x11

Machine Leg Extention (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 89 x13
2 89 x12
3 89 x11

Seated Leg Curl (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 63.5 x12
2 63.5 x11
3 63.5 x9

Prone Leg Curl (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 60 x9
2 60 x8
2 60 x7

Hip Adduction Machine (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 35 x 13
2 35 x12
3 35 x11

Still working through the origin torn adductor. Can't fully stretch it out during eccentric so had to slow it down at its stop limit before going back on concentric phase. Many months of rehab to go before getting back to prime.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Keep up the good work on this. @OwEv751 the seated leg curl and the prone leg curl are really nice to really work those hamstrings.

 

[2Thick]

Sleep Log #23 23/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 5mg

Damn these 4AM morning starts really sucks. Bad sleep this time round. The compounds really had me waking up super groggy. Might need a different strategy for 4AM wakeups vs normal days.

Sleep Score : 5.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP
Selank 1mg
Semax
Testagen 1mg

Pep routine is still doing well. Admittedly, SS-31 and NAD+ is seriously doing the heavy lfiting to helping getting through the morning work outs.

Training Log
Legs (machine only)
Mood: 8/10
Focus: 8/10
Post Workout Fatigue: legs quivering!

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1.5mg
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Another sneak morning workout session. Had to stick only to machines this time because I got a meeting at 8AM... seriously, who fking has the right idea to setup 8AM meetings....

Interesting that in the past I would dread morning workouts but now I'm loving it. Maybe it has to do with my mitochondrial adaption able to utilise the fat stores more efficiently now. Thanks @Prymal for bringing back morning workout routines.

I also got city2surf in August so gotta start training them chicken legs again before going through hard cardio training from next month onwards!

Machine Leg Press (2X1X) (RPE8-9)
1 135 x13
2 135 x12
3 135 x11

Machine Leg Extention (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 89 x13
2 89 x12
3 89 x11

Seated Leg Curl (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 63.5 x12
2 63.5 x11
3 63.5 x9

Prone Leg Curl (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 60 x9
2 60 x8
2 60 x7

Hip Adduction Machine (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 35 x 13
2 35 x12
3 35 x11

Still working through the origin torn adductor. Can't fully stretch it out during eccentric so had to slow it down at its stop limit before going back on concentric phase. Many months of rehab to go before getting back to prime.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

@OwEv751 good job on this. I love the leg training. The hamstrings are being hit like crazy. Keep up the good work.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Excellent work. I like the mix on the supplements. The sleep protocol is very good. I'm sure you sleep like an absolute baby on that. @OwEv751

Sleep Log #23 23/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 5mg

Damn these 4AM morning starts really sucks. Bad sleep this time round. The compounds really had me waking up super groggy. Might need a different strategy for 4AM wakeups vs normal days.

Sleep Score : 5.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP
Selank 1mg
Semax
Testagen 1mg

Pep routine is still doing well. Admittedly, SS-31 and NAD+ is seriously doing the heavy lfiting to helping getting through the morning work outs.

Training Log
Legs (machine only)
Mood: 8/10
Focus: 8/10
Post Workout Fatigue: legs quivering!

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1.5mg
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Another sneak morning workout session. Had to stick only to machines this time because I got a meeting at 8AM... seriously, who fking has the right idea to setup 8AM meetings....

Interesting that in the past I would dread morning workouts but now I'm loving it. Maybe it has to do with my mitochondrial adaption able to utilise the fat stores more efficiently now. Thanks @Prymal for bringing back morning workout routines.

I also got city2surf in August so gotta start training them chicken legs again before going through hard cardio training from next month onwards!

Machine Leg Press (2X1X) (RPE8-9)
1 135 x13
2 135 x12
3 135 x11

Machine Leg Extention (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 89 x13
2 89 x12
3 89 x11

Seated Leg Curl (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 63.5 x12
2 63.5 x11
3 63.5 x9

Prone Leg Curl (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 60 x9
2 60 x8
2 60 x7

Hip Adduction Machine (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 35 x 13
2 35 x12
3 35 x11

Still working through the origin torn adductor. Can't fully stretch it out during eccentric so had to slow it down at its stop limit before going back on concentric phase. Many months of rehab to go before getting back to prime.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #23 23/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
- None

Had 3 full strength scooners last night at a work function. Got back home super late, had a quick shower then just went straight to sleep. Didn't have any supplements or peptides this time round.

The deep sleep really held on strangely enough, but you can really see the stress the body is going through even whilst in deep sleep. Interesting how even barely any alcohol can still do that much to your sleep.

Looks like I'm gonna need to pull my finger out of the ass and get to bed early tonight. Accumulated almost 5 hrs worth of sleep debt . Hopefully my pct hasn't tanked from this!

Sleep Score : 6 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ -
Motsc -
Reta - 0.5mg
TA-1 - 2.5mg
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP 1.5mg
Selank -
Semax -
Testagen 1mg

No training today. Unlike @Ohdamn , I actually need my beauty rest day

Was gonna get started on this YO sperm test thing but it says I need to abstain for 2-5days ah well, gotta tell the missus the bad news that tonight's gonna be a boring night

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #23 23/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
- None

Had 3 full strength scooners last night at a work function. Got back home super late, had a quick shower then just went straight to sleep. Didn't have any supplements or peptides this time round.

The deep sleep really held on strangely enough, but you can really see the stress the body is going through even whilst in deep sleep. Interesting how even barely any alcohol can still do that much to your sleep.

Looks like I'm gonna need to pull my finger out of the ass and get to bed early tonight. Accumulated almost 5 hrs worth of sleep debt . Hopefully my pct hasn't tanked from this!

Sleep Score : 6 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ -
Motsc -
Reta - 0.5mg
TA-1 - 2.5mg
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP 1.5mg
Selank -
Semax -
Testagen 1mg

No training today. Unlike @Ohdamn , I actually need my beauty rest day

Was gonna get started on this YO sperm test thing but it says I need to abstain for 2-5days ah well, gotta tell the missus the bad news that tonight's gonna be a boring night

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

get to bed early but also use blue block glasses you need to block out blue light

 

[bss]

Sleep Log #23 23/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
- None

Had 3 full strength scooners last night at a work function. Got back home super late, had a quick shower then just went straight to sleep. Didn't have any supplements or peptides this time round.

The deep sleep really held on strangely enough, but you can really see the stress the body is going through even whilst in deep sleep. Interesting how even barely any alcohol can still do that much to your sleep.

Looks like I'm gonna need to pull my finger out of the ass and get to bed early tonight. Accumulated almost 5 hrs worth of sleep debt . Hopefully my pct hasn't tanked from this!

Sleep Score : 6 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ -
Motsc -
Reta - 0.5mg
TA-1 - 2.5mg
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP 1.5mg
Selank -
Semax -
Testagen 1mg

No training today. Unlike @Ohdamn , I actually need my beauty rest day

Was gonna get started on this YO sperm test thing but it says I need to abstain for 2-5days ah well, gotta tell the missus the bad news that tonight's gonna be a boring night

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

I hope it was a good bear at least hahah

 

[OwEv751]

I hope it was a good bear at least hahah

Little Creatures

 

[bss]

Little Creatures

Fuck yeah pale ales I hope

 

[OwEv751]

Fuck yeah pale ales I hope

Best off the tap! Was thinking of sneaking another scooner but gotta behave myself for the sake of evo community dsip testing!

 

[zurk]

Team @Prymal
killing it brother great consistency following along

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

Sleep Log #23 23/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
- None

Had 3 full strength scooners last night at a work function. Got back home super late, had a quick shower then just went straight to sleep. Didn't have any supplements or peptides this time round.

The deep sleep really held on strangely enough, but you can really see the stress the body is going through even whilst in deep sleep. Interesting how even barely any alcohol can still do that much to your sleep.

Looks like I'm gonna need to pull my finger out of the ass and get to bed early tonight. Accumulated almost 5 hrs worth of sleep debt . Hopefully my pct hasn't tanked from this!

Sleep Score : 6 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ -
Motsc -
Reta - 0.5mg
TA-1 - 2.5mg
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP 1.5mg
Selank -
Semax -
Testagen 1mg

No training today. Unlike @Ohdamn , I actually need my beauty rest day

Was gonna get started on this YO sperm test thing but it says I need to abstain for 2-5days ah well, gotta tell the missus the bad news that tonight's gonna be a boring night

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

@OwEv751 meditation will help you with deep sleep......

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #25 25/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU

Alright! We're back in business! 9hrs of solid sleep! Knocked out at 9PM and only woke up once at the 2AM mark! Would have loved deep sleep to come abit higher but let's take the win for now!

Sleep Score : 9 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc - 1mg
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP 1.5mg
Selank -
Semax -
Testagen 1mg

And Mots-c is back for a round 2! 1mg this time on the subq. Something different is that I usually take Mots-c pre workout but trying AM injection to see if it makes a difference. Will be interesting to see how that develops throughout the day. Stay tuned for the report!

Running Log
Mood: 10/10
Focus: 8/10
Post Fatigue: Could have went for more!

Pre run supps setup
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1.5mg
-Coffee
-Mots-c 1mg
-Yohimbine HCL 10mg

I think I may have found the my ideal endurance running stack! First time ran the entire 40min without any resting. Yohimbine kicking in to support fat oxidation allowing mots-c to shuttle more ATP! Forgot semax entirely!

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

 

[bss]

Sleep Log #25 25/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU

Alright! We're back in business! 9hrs of solid sleep! Knocked out at 9PM and only woke up once at the 2AM mark! Would have loved deep sleep to come abit higher but let's take the win for now!

Sleep Score : 9 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc - 1mg
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP 1.5mg
Selank -
Semax -
Testagen 1mg

And Mots-c is back for a round 2! 1mg this time on the subq. Something different is that I usually take Mots-c pre workout but trying AM injection to see if it makes a difference. Will be interesting to see how that develops throughout the day. Stay tuned for the report!

Running Log
Mood: 10/10
Focus: 8/10
Post Fatigue: Could have went for more!

Pre run supps setup
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1.5mg
-Coffee
-Mots-c 1mg
-Yohimbine HCL 10mg

I think I may have found the my ideal endurance running stack! First time ran the entire 40min without any resting. Yohimbine kicking in to support fat oxidation allowing mots-c to shuttle more ATP! Forgot semax entirely!

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

First time running the full 40 min unbroken with the yohimbine plus mots-c plus SLU stack is the endurance dial-in you've been chasing brother

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #25 25/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU

Alright! We're back in business! 9hrs of solid sleep! Knocked out at 9PM and only woke up once at the 2AM mark! Would have loved deep sleep to come abit higher but let's take the win for now!

Sleep Score : 9 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc - 1mg
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP 1.5mg
Selank -
Semax -
Testagen 1mg

And Mots-c is back for a round 2! 1mg this time on the subq. Something different is that I usually take Mots-c pre workout but trying AM injection to see if it makes a difference. Will be interesting to see how that develops throughout the day. Stay tuned for the report!

Running Log
Mood: 10/10
Focus: 8/10
Post Fatigue: Could have went for more!

Pre run supps setup
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1.5mg
-Coffee
-Mots-c 1mg
-Yohimbine HCL 10mg

I think I may have found the my ideal endurance running stack! First time ran the entire 40min without any resting. Yohimbine kicking in to support fat oxidation allowing mots-c to shuttle more ATP! Forgot semax entirely!

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

sleep is steady mots c you trying again? lets do it

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Sleep Log #25 25/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU

Alright! We're back in business! 9hrs of solid sleep! Knocked out at 9PM and only woke up once at the 2AM mark! Would have loved deep sleep to come abit higher but let's take the win for now!

Sleep Score : 9 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc - 1mg
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP 1.5mg
Selank -
Semax -
Testagen 1mg

And Mots-c is back for a round 2! 1mg this time on the subq. Something different is that I usually take Mots-c pre workout but trying AM injection to see if it makes a difference. Will be interesting to see how that develops throughout the day. Stay tuned for the report!

Running Log
Mood: 10/10
Focus: 8/10
Post Fatigue: Could have went for more!

Pre run supps setup
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1.5mg
-Coffee
-Mots-c 1mg
-Yohimbine HCL 10mg

I think I may have found the my ideal endurance running stack! First time ran the entire 40min without any resting. Yohimbine kicking in to support fat oxidation allowing mots-c to shuttle more ATP! Forgot semax entirely!

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

fuck dude, how does 10mg yohimbine hcl feel damn

 

[OwEv751]

fuck dude, how does 10mg yohimbine hcl feel damn

Honestly felt like I got more energy than usual for my run. Bare in mind this was the 2nd day since I ran for many years so the fact that I could hold out 50min worth of running without stopping says a fair bit about how effective my stack is.

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #26 26/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU

Ok pretty decent sleep. DSIP is doing pretty well to give me good REM/deep sleep but still waking up a few times throughout the night to wee. Might need to get PSA blood check before heading back into gear in the future.

Sleep Score : 8 / 10

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc - 1mg
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP 1.5mg
Selank - 1mg
Semax - 1mg
Testagen 1mg

Unfortunately, it looks like Mots-c 1mg is still too much for body to handle. Good thing I managed to persevere against the itching sensation so the extent of the mast cell reaction isn't so bad.

Mots-c reaction 8hrs after injection.

Mots-c reaction 24hrs after injection.

I've been injecting KLOW night time nearby the Mots-c injection site, hoping the KPV will respond most closely to the inflamed site. Also still using zinc oxide powder and a bandaid to stop myself from scratching.

PCT Update
For the past few weeks, my mood for the gym has increased. Amazingly my lifts came back to their previous natural plateaus so it's good I actually didn't lose much. I'm not moody as much and able to focus more on work.

I would say most of it is due to my hormone balance being restored but need to also credit the peptides for assisting. In particular, the lose dose reta 1mg a week, SS31 14mg a week, NAD+ 150mg a week seems to have help kept fat off even when I was on surplus calories.

I'm eating pretty well now but earlier in my PCT I didnt care much to stick to a clean diet. Here I am still maintaining 75kg for the past 4 weeks natty.

Testagen I'm still taking daily 1mg but I have no idea if it's truly working or not. So far though, no visible side effects.

Finally had the chance to try out the YOSpermTest after abstaining for 3 days. Unfortunately, the numbers don't look good for me. Poor results on most of the markers.

Showed the results to my missus and she's feeling a bit down. Honestly, we are now reconsidering where we're at with all this. We're both past our prime (at 40s) and it almost seems crazy to be looking after a 10 year old kid at 50. Imagine trying to discipline a 20 year old kid when you're in 60s. Anyways, we haven't given up yet but let's just say the percentage has increased a fair bit.

I'm due for a blood test next week to see where I'm at after 4 weeks of PCT. Considering the poor scores on the sperm test, my guy feeling is that my LH/FSH has tanked a fair bit.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #26 26/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU

Ok pretty decent sleep. DSIP is doing pretty well to give me good REM/deep sleep but still waking up a few times throughout the night to wee. Might need to get PSA blood check before heading back into gear in the future.

Sleep Score : 8 / 10

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc - 1mg
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP 1.5mg
Selank - 1mg
Semax - 1mg
Testagen 1mg

Unfortunately, it looks like Mots-c 1mg is still too much for body to handle. Good thing I managed to persevere against the itching sensation so the extent of the mast cell reaction isn't so bad.

Mots-c reaction 8hrs after injection.

View attachment 221326

Mots-c reaction 24hrs after injection.

View attachment 221327

I've been injecting KLOW night time nearby the Mots-c injection site, hoping the KPV will respond most closely to the inflamed site. Also still using zinc oxide powder and a bandaid to stop myself from scratching.

PCT Update
For the past few weeks, my mood for the gym has increased. Amazingly my lifts came back to their previous natural plateaus so it's good I actually didn't lose much. I'm not moody as much and able to focus more on work.

I would say most of it is due to my hormone balance being restored but need to also credit the peptides for assisting. In particular, the lose dose reta 1mg a week, SS31 14mg a week, NAD+ 150mg a week seems to have help kept fat off even when I was on surplus calories.

I'm eating pretty well now but earlier in my PCT I didnt care much to stick to a clean diet. Here I am still maintaining 75kg for the past 4 weeks natty.

Testagen I'm still taking daily 1mg but I have no idea if it's truly working or not. So far though, no visible side effects.

Finally had the chance to try out the YOSpermTest after abstaining for 3 days. Unfortunately, the numbers don't look good for me. Poor results on most of the markers.

View attachment 221319

Showed the results to my missus and she's feeling a bit down. Honestly, we are now reconsidering where we're at with all this. We're both past our prime (at 40s) and it almost seems crazy to be looking after a 10 year old kid at 50. Imagine trying to discipline a 20 year old kid when you're in 60s. Anyways, we haven't given up yet but let's just say the percentage has increased a fair bit.

I'm due for a blood test next week to see where I'm at after 4 weeks of PCT. Considering the poor scores on the sperm test, my guy feeling is that my LH/FSH has tanked a fair bit.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

you should stop injecting mots C tbh seems you have an allergic reaction to it @OwEv751

you going to go with hmg hcg on the sperm?

@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman

 

[OwEv751]

you should stop injecting mots C tbh seems you have an allergic reaction to it @OwEv751

you going to go with hmg hcg on the sperm?

@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman

Interestingly, the reaction I get now is far less than what I previously experienced. Whatever I'm doing right now in boosting my immunity seems to be working.

So I was recently told that the low sperm test markers are fairly normal for the first month from PCT. Spermogenesis takes a few months after PCT so I may have been a bit premature with my assessment.

 

[Grumpy]

You can try a antihistamine before your Mots c shot works for a heap of people if you dont want to drop it

 

[bss]

Sleep Log #26 26/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU

Ok pretty decent sleep. DSIP is doing pretty well to give me good REM/deep sleep but still waking up a few times throughout the night to wee. Might need to get PSA blood check before heading back into gear in the future.

Sleep Score : 8 / 10

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc - 1mg
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP 1.5mg
Selank - 1mg
Semax - 1mg
Testagen 1mg

Unfortunately, it looks like Mots-c 1mg is still too much for body to handle. Good thing I managed to persevere against the itching sensation so the extent of the mast cell reaction isn't so bad.

Mots-c reaction 8hrs after injection.

View attachment 221326

Mots-c reaction 24hrs after injection.

View attachment 221327

I've been injecting KLOW night time nearby the Mots-c injection site, hoping the KPV will respond most closely to the inflamed site. Also still using zinc oxide powder and a bandaid to stop myself from scratching.

PCT Update
For the past few weeks, my mood for the gym has increased. Amazingly my lifts came back to their previous natural plateaus so it's good I actually didn't lose much. I'm not moody as much and able to focus more on work.

I would say most of it is due to my hormone balance being restored but need to also credit the peptides for assisting. In particular, the lose dose reta 1mg a week, SS31 14mg a week, NAD+ 150mg a week seems to have help kept fat off even when I was on surplus calories.

I'm eating pretty well now but earlier in my PCT I didnt care much to stick to a clean diet. Here I am still maintaining 75kg for the past 4 weeks natty.

Testagen I'm still taking daily 1mg but I have no idea if it's truly working or not. So far though, no visible side effects.

Finally had the chance to try out the YOSpermTest after abstaining for 3 days. Unfortunately, the numbers don't look good for me. Poor results on most of the markers.

View attachment 221319

Showed the results to my missus and she's feeling a bit down. Honestly, we are now reconsidering where we're at with all this. We're both past our prime (at 40s) and it almost seems crazy to be looking after a 10 year old kid at 50. Imagine trying to discipline a 20 year old kid when you're in 60s. Anyways, we haven't given up yet but let's just say the percentage has increased a fair bit.

I'm due for a blood test next week to see where I'm at after 4 weeks of PCT. Considering the poor scores on the sperm test, my guy feeling is that my LH/FSH has tanked a fair bit.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Booking a PSA panel before the next gear cycle is the kind of baseline check that pays dividends years down the line brother

 

[OwEv751]

You can try a antihistamine before your Mots c shot works for a heap of people if you dont want to drop it

Actually can confirm this works. I've been doing that as well unfortunately doesn't stop it 24hrs later

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Sleep Log #26 26/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU

Ok pretty decent sleep. DSIP is doing pretty well to give me good REM/deep sleep but still waking up a few times throughout the night to wee. Might need to get PSA blood check before heading back into gear in the future.

Sleep Score : 8 / 10

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc - 1mg
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP 1.5mg
Selank - 1mg
Semax - 1mg
Testagen 1mg

Unfortunately, it looks like Mots-c 1mg is still too much for body to handle. Good thing I managed to persevere against the itching sensation so the extent of the mast cell reaction isn't so bad.

Mots-c reaction 8hrs after injection.

View attachment 221326

Mots-c reaction 24hrs after injection.

View attachment 221327

I've been injecting KLOW night time nearby the Mots-c injection site, hoping the KPV will respond most closely to the inflamed site. Also still using zinc oxide powder and a bandaid to stop myself from scratching.

PCT Update
For the past few weeks, my mood for the gym has increased. Amazingly my lifts came back to their previous natural plateaus so it's good I actually didn't lose much. I'm not moody as much and able to focus more on work.

I would say most of it is due to my hormone balance being restored but need to also credit the peptides for assisting. In particular, the lose dose reta 1mg a week, SS31 14mg a week, NAD+ 150mg a week seems to have help kept fat off even when I was on surplus calories.

I'm eating pretty well now but earlier in my PCT I didnt care much to stick to a clean diet. Here I am still maintaining 75kg for the past 4 weeks natty.

Testagen I'm still taking daily 1mg but I have no idea if it's truly working or not. So far though, no visible side effects.

Finally had the chance to try out the YOSpermTest after abstaining for 3 days. Unfortunately, the numbers don't look good for me. Poor results on most of the markers.

View attachment 221319

Showed the results to my missus and she's feeling a bit down. Honestly, we are now reconsidering where we're at with all this. We're both past our prime (at 40s) and it almost seems crazy to be looking after a 10 year old kid at 50. Imagine trying to discipline a 20 year old kid when you're in 60s. Anyways, we haven't given up yet but let's just say the percentage has increased a fair bit.

I'm due for a blood test next week to see where I'm at after 4 weeks of PCT. Considering the poor scores on the sperm test, my guy feeling is that my LH/FSH has tanked a fair bit.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

You'd better drop the mot-c and give it all to me to test for science

 

[OwEv751]

You'd better drop the mot-c and give it all to me to test for science

Sorry bro, if this all falls over, missus is gonna be the new science experiment

 

[Chowmanly]

Sleep Log #26 26/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU

Ok pretty decent sleep. DSIP is doing pretty well to give me good REM/deep sleep but still waking up a few times throughout the night to wee. Might need to get PSA blood check before heading back into gear in the future.

Sleep Score : 8 / 10

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc - 1mg
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP 1.5mg
Selank - 1mg
Semax - 1mg
Testagen 1mg

Unfortunately, it looks like Mots-c 1mg is still too much for body to handle. Good thing I managed to persevere against the itching sensation so the extent of the mast cell reaction isn't so bad.

Mots-c reaction 8hrs after injection.

View attachment 221326

Mots-c reaction 24hrs after injection.

View attachment 221327

I've been injecting KLOW night time nearby the Mots-c injection site, hoping the KPV will respond most closely to the inflamed site. Also still using zinc oxide powder and a bandaid to stop myself from scratching.

PCT Update
For the past few weeks, my mood for the gym has increased. Amazingly my lifts came back to their previous natural plateaus so it's good I actually didn't lose much. I'm not moody as much and able to focus more on work.

I would say most of it is due to my hormone balance being restored but need to also credit the peptides for assisting. In particular, the lose dose reta 1mg a week, SS31 14mg a week, NAD+ 150mg a week seems to have help kept fat off even when I was on surplus calories.

I'm eating pretty well now but earlier in my PCT I didnt care much to stick to a clean diet. Here I am still maintaining 75kg for the past 4 weeks natty.

Testagen I'm still taking daily 1mg but I have no idea if it's truly working or not. So far though, no visible side effects.

Finally had the chance to try out the YOSpermTest after abstaining for 3 days. Unfortunately, the numbers don't look good for me. Poor results on most of the markers.

View attachment 221319

Showed the results to my missus and she's feeling a bit down. Honestly, we are now reconsidering where we're at with all this. We're both past our prime (at 40s) and it almost seems crazy to be looking after a 10 year old kid at 50. Imagine trying to discipline a 20 year old kid when you're in 60s. Anyways, we haven't given up yet but let's just say the percentage has increased a fair bit.

I'm due for a blood test next week to see where I'm at after 4 weeks of PCT. Considering the poor scores on the sperm test, my guy feeling is that my LH/FSH has tanked a fair bit.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

The sperm result is actually very encouraging mate. You need 2.5-3 months to make a full recovery, definitely on the right track. Just gotta give a bit more time, I know how much anxiety plays a part too but hang in there.

 

[waggat]

Sleep Log #26 26/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU

Ok pretty decent sleep. DSIP is doing pretty well to give me good REM/deep sleep but still waking up a few times throughout the night to wee. Might need to get PSA blood check before heading back into gear in the future.

Sleep Score : 8 / 10

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc - 1mg
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP 1.5mg
Selank - 1mg
Semax - 1mg
Testagen 1mg

Unfortunately, it looks like Mots-c 1mg is still too much for body to handle. Good thing I managed to persevere against the itching sensation so the extent of the mast cell reaction isn't so bad.

Mots-c reaction 8hrs after injection.

View attachment 221326

Mots-c reaction 24hrs after injection.

View attachment 221327

I've been injecting KLOW night time nearby the Mots-c injection site, hoping the KPV will respond most closely to the inflamed site. Also still using zinc oxide powder and a bandaid to stop myself from scratching.

PCT Update
For the past few weeks, my mood for the gym has increased. Amazingly my lifts came back to their previous natural plateaus so it's good I actually didn't lose much. I'm not moody as much and able to focus more on work.

I would say most of it is due to my hormone balance being restored but need to also credit the peptides for assisting. In particular, the lose dose reta 1mg a week, SS31 14mg a week, NAD+ 150mg a week seems to have help kept fat off even when I was on surplus calories.

I'm eating pretty well now but earlier in my PCT I didnt care much to stick to a clean diet. Here I am still maintaining 75kg for the past 4 weeks natty.

Testagen I'm still taking daily 1mg but I have no idea if it's truly working or not. So far though, no visible side effects.

Finally had the chance to try out the YOSpermTest after abstaining for 3 days. Unfortunately, the numbers don't look good for me. Poor results on most of the markers.

View attachment 221319

Showed the results to my missus and she's feeling a bit down. Honestly, we are now reconsidering where we're at with all this. We're both past our prime (at 40s) and it almost seems crazy to be looking after a 10 year old kid at 50. Imagine trying to discipline a 20 year old kid when you're in 60s. Anyways, we haven't given up yet but let's just say the percentage has increased a fair bit.

I'm due for a blood test next week to see where I'm at after 4 weeks of PCT. Considering the poor scores on the sperm test, my guy feeling is that my LH/FSH has tanked a fair bit.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Good to see the sleep was decent.

Did you find the MOT-C had a negative impact on your sleep at all?

 

[Trenhead3cc]

All the best bro in conceiving with the mrs.

I wonder if @CypherOCE can shed some info. He did a whole fertility log. Took a bit but got everything back working

 

[OwEv751]

Good to see the sleep was decent.

Did you find the MOT-C had a negative impact on your sleep at all?

Good question! I never thought to link the two together and it might be possible that the steady state histamine reaction may be impacting my sleep! Thanks @waggat , I'll observe this reaction in the next injection.

From yesterday's perspective, it may be a probable cause as to why I woke up more often than usual.

 

[OwEv751]

All the best bro in conceiving with the mrs.

I wonder if @CypherOCE can shed some info. He did a whole fertility log. Took a bit but got everything back working

Thanks for the words of encouragement brother. We'll see how far this natural route will go, if it doesn't improve I'll have to consider hcg/hmg.

 

[LevButlerov]

Interestingly, the reaction I get now is far less than what I previously experienced. Whatever I'm doing right now in boosting my immunity seems to be working.

So I was recently told that the low sperm test markers are fairly normal for the first month from PCT. Spermogenesis takes a few months after PCT so I may have been a bit premature with my assessment.

lets give it time

 

[ballin2504]

Sleep Log #23 23/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 5mg

Damn these 4AM morning starts really sucks. Bad sleep this time round. The compounds really had me waking up super groggy. Might need a different strategy for 4AM wakeups vs normal days.

Sleep Score : 5.5 / 10

Peptide Plan (sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP
Selank 1mg
Semax
Testagen 1mg

Pep routine is still doing well. Admittedly, SS-31 and NAD+ is seriously doing the heavy lfiting to helping getting through the morning work outs.

Training Log
Legs (machine only)
Mood: 8/10
Focus: 8/10
Post Workout Fatigue: legs quivering!

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU 1.5mg
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Another sneak morning workout session. Had to stick only to machines this time because I got a meeting at 8AM... seriously, who fking has the right idea to setup 8AM meetings....

Interesting that in the past I would dread morning workouts but now I'm loving it. Maybe it has to do with my mitochondrial adaption able to utilise the fat stores more efficiently now. Thanks @Prymal for bringing back morning workout routines.

I also got city2surf in August so gotta start training them chicken legs again before going through hard cardio training from next month onwards!

Machine Leg Press (2X1X) (RPE8-9)
1 135 x13
2 135 x12
3 135 x11

Machine Leg Extention (11X1) (RPE8-9)
1 89 x13
2 89 x12
3 89 x11

Seated Leg Curl (21X1) (RPE8-9)
1 63.5 x12
2 63.5 x11
3 63.5 x9

Prone Leg Curl (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 60 x9
2 60 x8
2 60 x7

Hip Adduction Machine (31X1) (RPE8-9)
1 35 x 13
2 35 x12
3 35 x11

Still working through the origin torn adductor. Can't fully stretch it out during eccentric so had to slow it down at its stop limit before going back on concentric phase. Many months of rehab to go before getting back to prime.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

@OwEv751 love seeing the update man. You’re doing awesome.

 

[bss]

Good question! I never thought to link the two together and it might be possible that the steady state histamine reaction may be impacting my sleep! Thanks @waggat , I'll observe this reaction in the next injection.

From yesterday's perspective, it may be a probable cause as to why I woke up more often than usual.

Tracking the histamine response through the next pin to see if it lines up with the wake patterns is the kind of self experiment that catches the cause before you waste weeks chasing the wrong protocol brother

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #27 27/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU

Sleep on the low end today but still restorative enough. Had to head into the office today to welcome a new starter to our team. Starting to seem like the DSIP / GH combo is perfectly synced but my prostate is the one disrupting.

I think by the end of this week I can come to a conclusion on DSIP usage. Time to move on to proper training, PCT and dietary logs.

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 -
NAD+ -
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP 1.5mg
Selank -
Semax -
Testagen -

 

[CypherOCE]

Try and PCT first IG youre dying and can’t handle it you can always go LOW dose TRT (75mg is plenty) and team it up with hCG and hMG

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #28 28/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-DSIP 2mg

So last night I did something completely different. No other compounds, just pure DSIP 2mg.

Very interesting to see that the night of sleep was still restorative AND there's additional deep sleep period after 4AM. This is an interesting finding because in my previous logs, I was never able to return deep sleep back after 2AM. It may be true after all that DSIP does encourage your deep sleep periods.

I did notice though that with just DSIP alone, it is terrible at dampening the effects of wakefulness when you initially need to go to toilet. Notice around 2AM it took a bit of time to fall back to sleep. Might be hard to compete with the hard hitters like Melatonin and GH

Damn, with such interesting findings it might be hard to give up DSIP testing after all I'll try again tonight with DSIP only to see if I can replicate it again.

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 -
NAD+ -
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW -
DSIP 2mg
Selank -
Semax -
Testagen -

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #27 27/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-DSIP 1.5mg
-GH 2IU

Sleep on the low end today but still restorative enough. Had to head into the office today to welcome a new starter to our team. Starting to seem like the DSIP / GH combo is perfectly synced but my prostate is the one disrupting.

I think by the end of this week I can come to a conclusion on DSIP usage. Time to move on to proper training, PCT and dietary logs.

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 -
NAD+ -
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5/0.5/0.5/2.5mg
DSIP 1.5mg
Selank -
Semax -
Testagen -

Sleep Log #28 28/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-DSIP 2mg

So last night I did something completely different. No other compounds, just pure DSIP 2mg.

Very interesting to see that the night of sleep was still restorative AND there's additional deep sleep period after 4AM. This is an interesting finding because in my previous logs, I was never able to return deep sleep back after 2AM. It may be true after all that DSIP does encourage your deep sleep periods.

I did notice though that with just DSIP alone, it is terrible at dampening the effects of wakefulness when you initially need to go to toilet. Notice around 2AM it took a bit of time to fall back to sleep. Might be hard to compete with the hard hitters like Melatonin and GH

Damn, with such interesting findings it might be hard to give up DSIP testing after all I'll try again tonight with DSIP only to see if I can replicate it again.

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 -
NAD+ -
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW -
DSIP 2mg
Selank -
Semax -
Testagen -

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

I think low dose trt is in order i fully agree with @CypherOCE

Try and PCT first IG youre dying and can’t handle it you can always go LOW dose TRT (75mg is plenty) and team it up with hCG and hMG

 

[bss]

Sleep Log #28 28/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-DSIP 2mg

So last night I did something completely different. No other compounds, just pure DSIP 2mg.

Very interesting to see that the night of sleep was still restorative AND there's additional deep sleep period after 4AM. This is an interesting finding because in my previous logs, I was never able to return deep sleep back after 2AM. It may be true after all that DSIP does encourage your deep sleep periods.

I did notice though that with just DSIP alone, it is terrible at dampening the effects of wakefulness when you initially need to go to toilet. Notice around 2AM it took a bit of time to fall back to sleep. Might be hard to compete with the hard hitters like Melatonin and GH

Damn, with such interesting findings it might be hard to give up DSIP testing after all I'll try again tonight with DSIP only to see if I can replicate it again.

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 -
NAD+ -
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW -
DSIP 2mg
Selank -
Semax -
Testagen -

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Recovering deep sleep after 4AM on DSIP only when nothing in the previous 27 logs cracked that window proves the compound's earning its slot in the stack brother

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Sleep Log #28 28/4/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-DSIP 2mg

So last night I did something completely different. No other compounds, just pure DSIP 2mg.

Very interesting to see that the night of sleep was still restorative AND there's additional deep sleep period after 4AM. This is an interesting finding because in my previous logs, I was never able to return deep sleep back after 2AM. It may be true after all that DSIP does encourage your deep sleep periods.

I did notice though that with just DSIP alone, it is terrible at dampening the effects of wakefulness when you initially need to go to toilet. Notice around 2AM it took a bit of time to fall back to sleep. Might be hard to compete with the hard hitters like Melatonin and GH

Damn, with such interesting findings it might be hard to give up DSIP testing after all I'll try again tonight with DSIP only to see if I can replicate it again.

Sleep Score : 7.5 / 10

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 -
NAD+ -
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW -
DSIP 2mg
Selank -
Semax -
Testagen -

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

keen to see how it goes brother

 

[OwEv751]

Sleep Log #29-30 1/5/26

#29 Sleep aids:
-DSIP 2mg
-GH 2IU

#30 Sleep aids:
-DSIP 1mg

Last 2 nights log combined because too busy yesterday to update

In #29, the sleep was absolutely great. Very nice periods of deep sleep accrued. Unfortunately I woke up at 4AM and couldn't go back to sleep at all afterwards.

#30, dialling back to just simply DSIP and hitting the bed much earlier, I get a reasonably good sleep. Got woken up suddenly at 11PM to a random skin allergic reaction at the injection site.

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 2mg
KLOW 0.5mg
DSIP 1mg
Selank -
Semax -
Testagen 1mg

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

 

[LevButlerov]

Sleep Log #29-30 1/5/26

#29 Sleep aids:
-DSIP 2mg
-GH 2IU

#30 Sleep aids:
-DSIP 1mg

Last 2 nights log combined because too busy yesterday to update

In #29, the sleep was absolutely great. Very nice periods of deep sleep accrued. Unfortunately I woke up at 4AM and couldn't go back to sleep at all afterwards.

#30, dialling back to just simply DSIP and hitting the bed much earlier, I get a reasonably good sleep. Got woken up suddenly at 11PM to a random skin allergic reaction at the injection site.

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 2mg
KLOW 0.5mg
DSIP 1mg
Selank -
Semax -
Testagen 1mg

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Good sleep is a win

 

[bss]

Sleep Log #29-30 1/5/26

#29 Sleep aids:
-DSIP 2mg
-GH 2IU

#30 Sleep aids:
-DSIP 1mg

Last 2 nights log combined because too busy yesterday to update

In #29, the sleep was absolutely great. Very nice periods of deep sleep accrued. Unfortunately I woke up at 4AM and couldn't go back to sleep at all afterwards.

#30, dialling back to just simply DSIP and hitting the bed much earlier, I get a reasonably good sleep. Got woken up suddenly at 11PM to a random skin allergic reaction at the injection site.

Sleep Score : 7 / 10

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc -
Reta -
TA-1 2mg
KLOW 0.5mg
DSIP 1mg
Selank -
Semax -
Testagen 1mg

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Peeling it back to DSIP solo to get a clean read on the protocol is the smart move brother.

 

[OwEv751]

Final Sleep Log 2/5/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 2mg
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 10mg

Being the final log, I put DSIP 2mg (heavy dose) together with the standard sleep stack hoping to finally obtain a full night of uninterrupted sleep. Sad to say that certainly didn't happen.

Woke up a few times, unusual amount of deep/REM sleep. What is really strange is that despite a nice 8hr sleep, it doesn't feel as restorative as it should have been.

Sleep Score : 8 / 10

So! After all that testing, time to collate the results, assess the efficacy of DSIP as a sleep support, and give some final thoughts to it! Will update tonight!

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc 1mg
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5mg
DSIP 2mg
Selank -
Semax 1mg
Testagen 1mg

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

 

[LevButlerov]

Final Sleep Log 2/5/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 2mg
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 10mg

Being the final log, I put DSIP 2mg (heavy dose) together with the standard sleep stack hoping to finally obtain a full night of uninterrupted sleep. Sad to say that certainly didn't happen.

Woke up a few times, unusual amount of deep/REM sleep. What is really strange is that despite a nice 8hr sleep, it doesn't feel as restorative as it should have been.

Sleep Score : 8 / 10

So! After all that testing, time to collate the results, assess the efficacy of DSIP as a sleep support, and give some final thoughts to it! Will update tonight!

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc 1mg
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5mg
DSIP 2mg
Selank -
Semax 1mg
Testagen 1mg

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

seems sleep improved final sleep log means you done? @OwEv751

@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman @bss

 

[bss]

Final Sleep Log 2/5/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 2mg
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 10mg

Being the final log, I put DSIP 2mg (heavy dose) together with the standard sleep stack hoping to finally obtain a full night of uninterrupted sleep. Sad to say that certainly didn't happen.

Woke up a few times, unusual amount of deep/REM sleep. What is really strange is that despite a nice 8hr sleep, it doesn't feel as restorative as it should have been.

Sleep Score : 8 / 10

So! After all that testing, time to collate the results, assess the efficacy of DSIP as a sleep support, and give some final thoughts to it! Will update tonight!

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc 1mg
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5mg
DSIP 2mg
Selank -
Semax 1mg
Testagen 1mg

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Loving the sleep consistency bro. Sounds like you found the formula that works for you.

 

[Grumpy]

Good sleep consistency 8 out 10 pretty good i struggle with sleep at the best of times

 

[OwEv751]

seems sleep improved final sleep log means you done? @OwEv751

@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman @bss

Haha yea, can't keep injecting DSIP forever. Time to start posting training log post PCT!

 

[waggat]

Final Sleep Log 2/5/26

Last night Sleep protocol:
-Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
-Ashwagandha 300mg
-L-Theanine 400mg
-5HTP 99mg
-DSIP 2mg
-GH 2IU
-Melatonin 10mg

Being the final log, I put DSIP 2mg (heavy dose) together with the standard sleep stack hoping to finally obtain a full night of uninterrupted sleep. Sad to say that certainly didn't happen.

Woke up a few times, unusual amount of deep/REM sleep. What is really strange is that despite a nice 8hr sleep, it doesn't feel as restorative as it should have been.

Sleep Score : 8 / 10

So! After all that testing, time to collate the results, assess the efficacy of DSIP as a sleep support, and give some final thoughts to it! Will update tonight!

Peptide Plan
(Reta, KLOW, DSIP, Semax, Selank sponsored by @Prymal )
SS-31 2mg
NAD+ 25mg
Motsc 1mg
Reta -
TA-1 -
KLOW 0.5mg
DSIP 2mg
Selank -
Semax 1mg
Testagen 1mg

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Looking forward to seeing your final thoughts!

 

[OwEv751]

The DSIP Experiment Notes

So with my final Sleep log post, I compiled all of the logs together to review, analyse the data, and here to tell you my thoughts on DSIP.

My DSIP is supplied by @Prymal and I am absolutely thankful in his sponsorship. I have absolutely unquestionable trust in the peptide's quality and authenticity. Please check out his shop here and tell him @OwEv751 sent you!

Regardless, I intend to be open and honest about my findings. The community deserves an unbiased research findings to further improve their fitness outcomes.

Variables
The following variables will impact my judgement and observation of DSIP. My sleep hygiene and lifestyle environment is definitely different to yours, and thus DSIP may perform better or worse for you depending on your environment.
- Undergoing PCT phase
- Inconsistent sleep hygiene including late night work and early morning work wake up
- Undergoing Mots-c testing (overstimulated histamine)
- Work anxiety

Supplements are:
- Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
- Glycine 3g,
- Ashwagandha 300mg
- L-Theanine 400mg
- 5HTP 99mg

The Data

Log Entry	DSIP	GH	Supps taken?	Melatonin	Sleep Hours (hr.min)	REM sleep (hr.min)	Deep sleep (hr.min)	How many times wake up	Sleep latency	Force Wakeup? (for work)	Other Notes	Sleep Score
1	-	2	(Magnesium only)	10	7.36	2.10	1.09	1	Great	-		8.5
2	-	-	Yes	-	7.29	1.57	1.22	3	OK	-	Rerated	7
3	-	-	Yes	-	7.22	1.37	1.35	3	Great	-		8
4	-	-	Yes	-	6	1.41	1.33	3	Good	Yes		5.5
5	-	-	Yes	-	6.57	1.45	1.24	2	Great	-		7
6	-	-	Yes	-	7.47	1.53	1.46	3	Good	-		8.5
7	-	-	Yes	-	5.26	1.26	1.01	1	Good	Yes		4
8	-	-	Yes	-	5.13	1.21	0.49	4	Good	-		4
9	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.44	1.54	1.03	0	Bad	Yes		7
10	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.43	1.57	2.04	3	Great	-		8
11	-	-	-	-	6.48	1.51	1.08	2	Good	-		7.5
12	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.46	1.53	1.34	1	OK	-		7.5
13	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.04	1.49	1.24	2	Great	-	Alert @ 4	7
14	1	-	Yes	-	6.26	1.4	1.09	1	Good	Yes		7
15	1.5	-	Yes	-	6.50	2.01	1.33	4	Great	-		7
16	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.30	1.19	1.05	1	Great	yes		5
17	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.47	1.15	1.26	3	Good	-	Exploding Head Syndrome	4
18	-	-	Yes	-	7.49	1.56	2.05	5	Good	-		8.5
19	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.47	1.39	1.27	2	Good	-	Ignore latency reading	7.5
20	1.5	1	Yes	-	7.39	1.37	1.39	3	Great	-		7.5
21	1	2	Yes	-	5.37	1.31	1.29	3	OK	Yes		7
22	1	2	Yes	10	6.56	1.57	1.28	2	Good	-		7.5
23	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.42	1.19	1.18	3	Bad	Yes		5.5
24	-	-	-	-	5.03	1.2	1.32	3	Great	-	Alcohol	6
25	1.5	2	Yes	-	8.59	2.1	1.44	3	Bad	-		9
26	1.5	2	Yes	-	7.14	1.57	1.52	4	OK	-		8
27	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.18	1.53	1.07	3	Great	Yes		7
28	2	-	-	-	6.27	1.59	1.32	2	OK	-		7.5
29	2	2	-	-	5.13	1.06	1.31	2	Good	Yes		6
30	1	-	-	-	6.10	1.36	1.24	1	Good	-		7
Final	2	2	Yes	10	8.20	1.48	1.09	3	Bad	-		8

Number of nights of good sleep WITHOUT DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 5
Number of Nights of DSIP used = 20
Number of nights of good sleep WITH DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 9/20
Number of nights of bad sleep WITH DSIP = 11/20
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP but work interrupted = 7/11 days
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP actual = 4/11
Number of nights of good latency with DSIP (Good+) = 12 / 20

Observations
Sleep Onset (Latency)
DSIP does appear to promote sleep onset but the data shows that this effect is very miniscule at best, leaning more towards 50/50 when stacked with other sleep aid medication. Even at first introduction of DSIP, the latency was still bad.

Sleep Quality
DSIP has been shown to slightly improve the sleep quality but is heavily dose dependent. Data suggests that at introduction, REM sleep would be high but this effect would start to decay over time. This may suggest that the body quickly assimilates to the peptide and more meaningful dosage may be required at intervals.

We can see that DSIP can hold deep sleep steadily at 1hr 20min + on most days but it does not meaningfully increase it any further. On the initial tests without DSIP, we also can see that a good sleep hygiene would already provide this benefit without needing DSIP.

DSIP also does not prevent night time awakenings to go to toilet, irrespective of the water volume consumed in the evening.

Stress Regulation
The data suggests that DSIP does not provide any positive benefits to stress regulation. It should be noted however that I am undergoing PCT, and work lifestyle is crippling sleep quality on certain days so it is possible that the DSIP effects are too mild for any noticeable impacts.

In some nights, irregular heart rates and HRV can be observed with multiple compounds. Whether stacking DSIP with other sleep aids actually causes a relative contraindication or not remains to be seen - but judgement on this experiment here certainly remains unbiased.

Conclusion
This 31 day experiment has shown that, at 0.5-2mg dosages, DSIP does not significantly improve sleep latency and sleep quality overall when used on myself who has irregular sleep hygiene and work lifestyle (shift worker). DSIP also does not meaningfully increase the volume of REM or deep sleep accrued.

in addition to the irregular sleep hygiene and unhealthy work lifestyle, there are other limitations in this experiment in reaching this conclusion:
-dosages may be too low (max 2mg / night)
-not diagnosed with insomnia
-insufficient experiment days to accrue clinically meaningful outcome
-tolerance built and DSIP effects may have saturated too quickly

For most of us with a familiar busy lifestyle like mine, DSIP effects are modest at best when compared to other more notable sleep aids such as melatonin and GH. I can certainly see it working the first couple of times (as noted by my log #9) but this effect seems to die off very quickly.

If you are still interested in DSIP, it is recommended that before considering,
- please improve your sleep hygiene FIRST. This includes hitting the bed early, turn off phone 30min-1hr prior to limit blue light, and engage in some form of relaxation.
- do NOT rely on it all the time. If you are shift worker and you KNOW you won't get any more than 6hrs sleep, don't bother using it as it'll be a waste. Instead, DSIP is better used when you're locked in for a great sleep.
- PULSE the DSIP use per week. Don't use it every day like I did. It seems that the body builds tolerance to DSIP very quickly.

EVO ELITES:
@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

 

[Kopite67]

The DSIP Experiment Notes

So with my final Sleep log post, I compiled all of the logs together to review, analyse the data, and here to tell you my thoughts on DSIP.

My DSIP is supplied by @Prymal and I am absolutely thankful in his sponsorship. I have absolutely unquestionable trust in the peptide's quality and authenticity. Please check out his shop here and tell him @OwEv751 sent you!

Regardless, I intend to be open and honest about my findings. The community deserves an unbiased research findings to further improve their fitness outcomes.

Variables
The following variables will impact my judgement and observation of DSIP. My sleep hygiene and lifestyle environment is definitely different to yours, and thus DSIP may perform better or worse for you depending on your environment.
- Undergoing PCT phase
- Inconsistent sleep hygiene including late night work and early morning work wake up
- Undergoing Mots-c testing (overstimulated histamine)
- Work anxiety

Supplements are:
- Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
- Glycine 3g,
- Ashwagandha 300mg
- L-Theanine 400mg
- 5HTP 99mg

The Data

Log Entry	DSIP	GH	Supps taken?	Melatonin	Sleep Hours (hr.min)	REM sleep (hr.min)	Deep sleep (hr.min)	How many times wake up	Sleep latency	Force Wakeup? (for work)	Other Notes	Sleep Score
1	-	2	(Magnesium only)	10	7.36	2.10	1.09	1	Great	-		8.5
2	-	-	Yes	-	7.29	1.57	1.22	3	OK	-	Rerated	7
3	-	-	Yes	-	7.22	1.37	1.35	3	Great	-		8
4	-	-	Yes	-	6	1.41	1.33	3	Good	Yes		5.5
5	-	-	Yes	-	6.57	1.45	1.24	2	Great	-		7
6	-	-	Yes	-	7.47	1.53	1.46	3	Good	-		8.5
7	-	-	Yes	-	5.26	1.26	1.01	1	Good	Yes		4
8	-	-	Yes	-	5.13	1.21	0.49	4	Good	-		4
9	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.44	1.54	1.03	0	Bad	Yes		7
10	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.43	1.57	2.04	3	Great	-		8
11	-	-	-	-	6.48	1.51	1.08	2	Good	-		7.5
12	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.46	1.53	1.34	1	OK	-		7.5
13	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.04	1.49	1.24	2	Great	-	Alert @ 4	7
14	1	-	Yes	-	6.26	1.4	1.09	1	Good	Yes		7
15	1.5	-	Yes	-	6.50	2.01	1.33	4	Great	-		7
16	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.30	1.19	1.05	1	Great	yes		5
17	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.47	1.15	1.26	3	Good	-	Exploding Head Syndrome	4
18	-	-	Yes	-	7.49	1.56	2.05	5	Good	-		8.5
19	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.47	1.39	1.27	2	Good	-	Ignore latency reading	7.5
20	1.5	1	Yes	-	7.39	1.37	1.39	3	Great	-		7.5
21	1	2	Yes	-	5.37	1.31	1.29	3	OK	Yes		7
22	1	2	Yes	10	6.56	1.57	1.28	2	Good	-		7.5
23	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.42	1.19	1.18	3	Bad	Yes		5.5
24	-	-	-	-	5.03	1.2	1.32	3	Great	-	Alcohol	6
25	1.5	2	Yes	-	8.59	2.1	1.44	3	Bad	-		9
26	1.5	2	Yes	-	7.14	1.57	1.52	4	OK	-		8
27	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.18	1.53	1.07	3	Great	Yes		7
28	2	-	-	-	6.27	1.59	1.32	2	OK	-		7.5
29	2	2	-	-	5.13	1.06	1.31	2	Good	Yes		6
30	1	-	-	-	6.10	1.36	1.24	1	Good	-		7
Final	2	2	Yes	10	8.20	1.48	1.09	3	Bad	-		8

Number of nights of good sleep WITHOUT DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 5
Number of Nights of DSIP used = 20
Number of nights of good sleep WITH DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 9/20
Number of nights of bad sleep WITH DSIP = 11/20
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP but work interrupted = 7/11 days
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP actual = 4/11
Number of nights of good latency with DSIP (Good+) = 12 / 20

Observations
Sleep Onset (Latency)
DSIP does appear to promote sleep onset but the data shows that this effect is very miniscule at best, leaning more towards 50/50 when stacked with other sleep aid medication. Even at first introduction of DSIP, the latency was still bad.

Sleep Quality
DSIP has been shown to slightly improve the sleep quality but is heavily dose dependent. Data suggests that at introduction, REM sleep would be high but this effect would start to decay over time. This may suggest that the body quickly assimilates to the peptide and more meaningful dosage may be required at intervals.

We can see that DSIP can hold deep sleep steadily at 1hr 20min + on most days but it does not meaningfully increase it any further. On the initial tests without DSIP, we also can see that a good sleep hygiene would already provide this benefit without needing DSIP.

DSIP also does not prevent night time awakenings to go to toilet, irrespective of the water volume consumed in the evening.

Stress Regulation
The data suggests that DSIP does not provide any positive benefits to stress regulation. It should be noted however that I am undergoing PCT, and work lifestyle is crippling sleep quality on certain days so it is possible that the DSIP effects are too mild for any noticeable impacts.

In some nights, irregular heart rates and HRV can be observed with multiple compounds. Whether stacking DSIP with other sleep aids actually causes a relative contraindication or not remains to be seen - but judgement on this experiment here certainly remains unbiased.

Conclusion
This 31 day experiment has shown that, at 0.5-2mg dosages, DSIP does not significantly improve sleep latency and sleep quality overall when used on myself who has irregular sleep hygiene and work lifestyle (shift worker). DSIP also does not meaningfully increase the volume of REM or deep sleep accrued.

in addition to the irregular sleep hygiene and unhealthy work lifestyle, there are other limitations in this experiment in reaching this conclusion:
-dosages may be too low (max 2mg / night)
-not diagnosed with insomnia
-insufficient experiment days to accrue clinically meaningful outcome
-tolerance built and DSIP effects may have saturated too quickly

For most of us with a familiar busy lifestyle like mine, DSIP effects are modest at best when compared to other more notable sleep aids such as melatonin and GH. I can certainly see it working the first couple of times (as noted by my log #9) but this effect seems to die off very quickly.

If you are still interested in DSIP, it is recommended that before considering,
- please improve your sleep hygiene FIRST. This includes hitting the bed early, turn off phone 30min-1hr prior to limit blue light, and engage in some form of relaxation.
- do NOT rely on it all the time. If you are shift worker and you KNOW you won't get any more than 6hrs sleep, don't bother using it as it'll be a waste. Instead, DSIP is better used when you're locked in for a great sleep.
- PULSE the DSIP use per week. Don't use it every day like I did. It seems that the body builds tolerance to DSIP very quickly.

EVO ELITES:
@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Fantastic write up brother. Incredibly in-depth and easy to understand at the same time. It was fair, impartial and extremely well written. I love this and will certainly use this research if I consider DSIP at any stage. Bravo legend

 

[OwEv751]

Fantastic write up brother. Incredibly in-depth and easy to understand at the same time. It was fair, impartial and extremely well written. I love this and will certainly use this research if I consider DSIP at any stage. Bravo legend

Thank you bro. Appreciate the positive feedback!

 

[waggat]

The DSIP Experiment Notes

So with my final Sleep log post, I compiled all of the logs together to review, analyse the data, and here to tell you my thoughts on DSIP.

My DSIP is supplied by @Prymal and I am absolutely thankful in his sponsorship. I have absolutely unquestionable trust in the peptide's quality and authenticity. Please check out his shop here and tell him @OwEv751 sent you!

Regardless, I intend to be open and honest about my findings. The community deserves an unbiased research findings to further improve their fitness outcomes.

Variables
The following variables will impact my judgement and observation of DSIP. My sleep hygiene and lifestyle environment is definitely different to yours, and thus DSIP may perform better or worse for you depending on your environment.
- Undergoing PCT phase
- Inconsistent sleep hygiene including late night work and early morning work wake up
- Undergoing Mots-c testing (overstimulated histamine)
- Work anxiety

Supplements are:
- Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
- Glycine 3g,
- Ashwagandha 300mg
- L-Theanine 400mg
- 5HTP 99mg

The Data

Log Entry	DSIP	GH	Supps taken?	Melatonin	Sleep Hours (hr.min)	REM sleep (hr.min)	Deep sleep (hr.min)	How many times wake up	Sleep latency	Force Wakeup? (for work)	Other Notes	Sleep Score
1	-	2	(Magnesium only)	10	7.36	2.10	1.09	1	Great	-		8.5
2	-	-	Yes	-	7.29	1.57	1.22	3	OK	-	Rerated	7
3	-	-	Yes	-	7.22	1.37	1.35	3	Great	-		8
4	-	-	Yes	-	6	1.41	1.33	3	Good	Yes		5.5
5	-	-	Yes	-	6.57	1.45	1.24	2	Great	-		7
6	-	-	Yes	-	7.47	1.53	1.46	3	Good	-		8.5
7	-	-	Yes	-	5.26	1.26	1.01	1	Good	Yes		4
8	-	-	Yes	-	5.13	1.21	0.49	4	Good	-		4
9	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.44	1.54	1.03	0	Bad	Yes		7
10	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.43	1.57	2.04	3	Great	-		8
11	-	-	-	-	6.48	1.51	1.08	2	Good	-		7.5
12	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.46	1.53	1.34	1	OK	-		7.5
13	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.04	1.49	1.24	2	Great	-	Alert @ 4	7
14	1	-	Yes	-	6.26	1.4	1.09	1	Good	Yes		7
15	1.5	-	Yes	-	6.50	2.01	1.33	4	Great	-		7
16	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.30	1.19	1.05	1	Great	yes		5
17	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.47	1.15	1.26	3	Good	-	Exploding Head Syndrome	4
18	-	-	Yes	-	7.49	1.56	2.05	5	Good	-		8.5
19	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.47	1.39	1.27	2	Good	-	Ignore latency reading	7.5
20	1.5	1	Yes	-	7.39	1.37	1.39	3	Great	-		7.5
21	1	2	Yes	-	5.37	1.31	1.29	3	OK	Yes		7
22	1	2	Yes	10	6.56	1.57	1.28	2	Good	-		7.5
23	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.42	1.19	1.18	3	Bad	Yes		5.5
24	-	-	-	-	5.03	1.2	1.32	3	Great	-	Alcohol	6
25	1.5	2	Yes	-	8.59	2.1	1.44	3	Bad	-		9
26	1.5	2	Yes	-	7.14	1.57	1.52	4	OK	-		8
27	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.18	1.53	1.07	3	Great	Yes		7
28	2	-	-	-	6.27	1.59	1.32	2	OK	-		7.5
29	2	2	-	-	5.13	1.06	1.31	2	Good	Yes		6
30	1	-	-	-	6.10	1.36	1.24	1	Good	-		7
Final	2	2	Yes	10	8.20	1.48	1.09	3	Bad	-		8

Number of nights of good sleep WITHOUT DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 5
Number of Nights of DSIP used = 20
Number of nights of good sleep WITH DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 9/20
Number of nights of bad sleep WITH DSIP = 11/20
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP but work interrupted = 7/11 days
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP actual = 4/11
Number of nights of good latency with DSIP (Good+) = 12 / 20

Observations
Sleep Onset (Latency)
DSIP does appear to promote sleep onset but the data shows that this effect is very miniscule at best, leaning more towards 50/50 when stacked with other sleep aid medication. Even at first introduction of DSIP, the latency was still bad.

Sleep Quality
DSIP has been shown to slightly improve the sleep quality but is heavily dose dependent. Data suggests that at introduction, REM sleep would be high but this effect would start to decay over time. This may suggest that the body quickly assimilates to the peptide and more meaningful dosage may be required at intervals.

We can see that DSIP can hold deep sleep steadily at 1hr 20min + on most days but it does not meaningfully increase it any further. On the initial tests without DSIP, we also can see that a good sleep hygiene would already provide this benefit without needing DSIP.

DSIP also does not prevent night time awakenings to go to toilet, irrespective of the water volume consumed in the evening.

Stress Regulation
The data suggests that DSIP does not provide any positive benefits to stress regulation. It should be noted however that I am undergoing PCT, and work lifestyle is crippling sleep quality on certain days so it is possible that the DSIP effects are too mild for any noticeable impacts.

In some nights, irregular heart rates and HRV can be observed with multiple compounds. Whether stacking DSIP with other sleep aids actually causes a relative contraindication or not remains to be seen - but judgement on this experiment here certainly remains unbiased.

Conclusion
This 31 day experiment has shown that, at 0.5-2mg dosages, DSIP does not significantly improve sleep latency and sleep quality overall when used on myself who has irregular sleep hygiene and work lifestyle (shift worker). DSIP also does not meaningfully increase the volume of REM or deep sleep accrued.

in addition to the irregular sleep hygiene and unhealthy work lifestyle, there are other limitations in this experiment in reaching this conclusion:
-dosages may be too low (max 2mg / night)
-not diagnosed with insomnia
-insufficient experiment days to accrue clinically meaningful outcome
-tolerance built and DSIP effects may have saturated too quickly

For most of us with a familiar busy lifestyle like mine, DSIP effects are modest at best when compared to other more notable sleep aids such as melatonin and GH. I can certainly see it working the first couple of times (as noted by my log #9) but this effect seems to die off very quickly.

If you are still interested in DSIP, it is recommended that before considering,
- please improve your sleep hygiene FIRST. This includes hitting the bed early, turn off phone 30min-1hr prior to limit blue light, and engage in some form of relaxation.
- do NOT rely on it all the time. If you are shift worker and you KNOW you won't get any more than 6hrs sleep, don't bother using it as it'll be a waste. Instead, DSIP is better used when you're locked in for a great sleep.
- PULSE the DSIP use per week. Don't use it every day like I did. It seems that the body builds tolerance to DSIP very quickly.

EVO ELITES:
@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Awesome write up mate. Very helpful!

 

[LevButlerov]

Haha yea, can't keep injecting DSIP forever. Time to start posting training log post PCT!

The DSIP Experiment Notes

So with my final Sleep log post, I compiled all of the logs together to review, analyse the data, and here to tell you my thoughts on DSIP.

My DSIP is supplied by @Prymal and I am absolutely thankful in his sponsorship. I have absolutely unquestionable trust in the peptide's quality and authenticity. Please check out his shop here and tell him @OwEv751 sent you!

Regardless, I intend to be open and honest about my findings. The community deserves an unbiased research findings to further improve their fitness outcomes.

Variables
The following variables will impact my judgement and observation of DSIP. My sleep hygiene and lifestyle environment is definitely different to yours, and thus DSIP may perform better or worse for you depending on your environment.
- Undergoing PCT phase
- Inconsistent sleep hygiene including late night work and early morning work wake up
- Undergoing Mots-c testing (overstimulated histamine)
- Work anxiety

Supplements are:
- Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
- Glycine 3g,
- Ashwagandha 300mg
- L-Theanine 400mg
- 5HTP 99mg

The Data

Log Entry	DSIP	GH	Supps taken?	Melatonin	Sleep Hours (hr.min)	REM sleep (hr.min)	Deep sleep (hr.min)	How many times wake up	Sleep latency	Force Wakeup? (for work)	Other Notes	Sleep Score
1	-	2	(Magnesium only)	10	7.36	2.10	1.09	1	Great	-		8.5
2	-	-	Yes	-	7.29	1.57	1.22	3	OK	-	Rerated	7
3	-	-	Yes	-	7.22	1.37	1.35	3	Great	-		8
4	-	-	Yes	-	6	1.41	1.33	3	Good	Yes		5.5
5	-	-	Yes	-	6.57	1.45	1.24	2	Great	-		7
6	-	-	Yes	-	7.47	1.53	1.46	3	Good	-		8.5
7	-	-	Yes	-	5.26	1.26	1.01	1	Good	Yes		4
8	-	-	Yes	-	5.13	1.21	0.49	4	Good	-		4
9	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.44	1.54	1.03	0	Bad	Yes		7
10	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.43	1.57	2.04	3	Great	-		8
11	-	-	-	-	6.48	1.51	1.08	2	Good	-		7.5
12	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.46	1.53	1.34	1	OK	-		7.5
13	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.04	1.49	1.24	2	Great	-	Alert @ 4	7
14	1	-	Yes	-	6.26	1.4	1.09	1	Good	Yes		7
15	1.5	-	Yes	-	6.50	2.01	1.33	4	Great	-		7
16	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.30	1.19	1.05	1	Great	yes		5
17	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.47	1.15	1.26	3	Good	-	Exploding Head Syndrome	4
18	-	-	Yes	-	7.49	1.56	2.05	5	Good	-		8.5
19	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.47	1.39	1.27	2	Good	-	Ignore latency reading	7.5
20	1.5	1	Yes	-	7.39	1.37	1.39	3	Great	-		7.5
21	1	2	Yes	-	5.37	1.31	1.29	3	OK	Yes		7
22	1	2	Yes	10	6.56	1.57	1.28	2	Good	-		7.5
23	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.42	1.19	1.18	3	Bad	Yes		5.5
24	-	-	-	-	5.03	1.2	1.32	3	Great	-	Alcohol	6
25	1.5	2	Yes	-	8.59	2.1	1.44	3	Bad	-		9
26	1.5	2	Yes	-	7.14	1.57	1.52	4	OK	-		8
27	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.18	1.53	1.07	3	Great	Yes		7
28	2	-	-	-	6.27	1.59	1.32	2	OK	-		7.5
29	2	2	-	-	5.13	1.06	1.31	2	Good	Yes		6
30	1	-	-	-	6.10	1.36	1.24	1	Good	-		7
Final	2	2	Yes	10	8.20	1.48	1.09	3	Bad	-		8

Number of nights of good sleep WITHOUT DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 5
Number of Nights of DSIP used = 20
Number of nights of good sleep WITH DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 9/20
Number of nights of bad sleep WITH DSIP = 11/20
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP but work interrupted = 7/11 days
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP actual = 4/11
Number of nights of good latency with DSIP (Good+) = 12 / 20

Observations
Sleep Onset (Latency)
DSIP does appear to promote sleep onset but the data shows that this effect is very miniscule at best, leaning more towards 50/50 when stacked with other sleep aid medication. Even at first introduction of DSIP, the latency was still bad.

Sleep Quality
DSIP has been shown to slightly improve the sleep quality but is heavily dose dependent. Data suggests that at introduction, REM sleep would be high but this effect would start to decay over time. This may suggest that the body quickly assimilates to the peptide and more meaningful dosage may be required at intervals.

We can see that DSIP can hold deep sleep steadily at 1hr 20min + on most days but it does not meaningfully increase it any further. On the initial tests without DSIP, we also can see that a good sleep hygiene would already provide this benefit without needing DSIP.

DSIP also does not prevent night time awakenings to go to toilet, irrespective of the water volume consumed in the evening.

Stress Regulation
The data suggests that DSIP does not provide any positive benefits to stress regulation. It should be noted however that I am undergoing PCT, and work lifestyle is crippling sleep quality on certain days so it is possible that the DSIP effects are too mild for any noticeable impacts.

In some nights, irregular heart rates and HRV can be observed with multiple compounds. Whether stacking DSIP with other sleep aids actually causes a relative contraindication or not remains to be seen - but judgement on this experiment here certainly remains unbiased.

Conclusion
This 31 day experiment has shown that, at 0.5-2mg dosages, DSIP does not significantly improve sleep latency and sleep quality overall when used on myself who has irregular sleep hygiene and work lifestyle (shift worker). DSIP also does not meaningfully increase the volume of REM or deep sleep accrued.

in addition to the irregular sleep hygiene and unhealthy work lifestyle, there are other limitations in this experiment in reaching this conclusion:
-dosages may be too low (max 2mg / night)
-not diagnosed with insomnia
-insufficient experiment days to accrue clinically meaningful outcome
-tolerance built and DSIP effects may have saturated too quickly

For most of us with a familiar busy lifestyle like mine, DSIP effects are modest at best when compared to other more notable sleep aids such as melatonin and GH. I can certainly see it working the first couple of times (as noted by my log #9) but this effect seems to die off very quickly.

If you are still interested in DSIP, it is recommended that before considering,
- please improve your sleep hygiene FIRST. This includes hitting the bed early, turn off phone 30min-1hr prior to limit blue light, and engage in some form of relaxation.
- do NOT rely on it all the time. If you are shift worker and you KNOW you won't get any more than 6hrs sleep, don't bother using it as it'll be a waste. Instead, DSIP is better used when you're locked in for a great sleep.
- PULSE the DSIP use per week. Don't use it every day like I did. It seems that the body builds tolerance to DSIP very quickly.

EVO ELITES:
@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

good sleep log write up I would call this one of the best DSIP reviews I've seen in years @OwEv751 i wish we made this into a community research thread but too late now
EVO family support your way for detailed tracking!

@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Trenhead3cc
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman @bss

 

[Yuri]

The DSIP Experiment Notes

So with my final Sleep log post, I compiled all of the logs together to review, analyse the data, and here to tell you my thoughts on DSIP.

My DSIP is supplied by @Prymal and I am absolutely thankful in his sponsorship. I have absolutely unquestionable trust in the peptide's quality and authenticity. Please check out his shop here and tell him @OwEv751 sent you!

Regardless, I intend to be open and honest about my findings. The community deserves an unbiased research findings to further improve their fitness outcomes.

Variables
The following variables will impact my judgement and observation of DSIP. My sleep hygiene and lifestyle environment is definitely different to yours, and thus DSIP may perform better or worse for you depending on your environment.
- Undergoing PCT phase
- Inconsistent sleep hygiene including late night work and early morning work wake up
- Undergoing Mots-c testing (overstimulated histamine)
- Work anxiety

Supplements are:
- Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
- Glycine 3g,
- Ashwagandha 300mg
- L-Theanine 400mg
- 5HTP 99mg

The Data

Log Entry	DSIP	GH	Supps taken?	Melatonin	Sleep Hours (hr.min)	REM sleep (hr.min)	Deep sleep (hr.min)	How many times wake up	Sleep latency	Force Wakeup? (for work)	Other Notes	Sleep Score
1	-	2	(Magnesium only)	10	7.36	2.10	1.09	1	Great	-		8.5
2	-	-	Yes	-	7.29	1.57	1.22	3	OK	-	Rerated	7
3	-	-	Yes	-	7.22	1.37	1.35	3	Great	-		8
4	-	-	Yes	-	6	1.41	1.33	3	Good	Yes		5.5
5	-	-	Yes	-	6.57	1.45	1.24	2	Great	-		7
6	-	-	Yes	-	7.47	1.53	1.46	3	Good	-		8.5
7	-	-	Yes	-	5.26	1.26	1.01	1	Good	Yes		4
8	-	-	Yes	-	5.13	1.21	0.49	4	Good	-		4
9	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.44	1.54	1.03	0	Bad	Yes		7
10	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.43	1.57	2.04	3	Great	-		8
11	-	-	-	-	6.48	1.51	1.08	2	Good	-		7.5
12	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.46	1.53	1.34	1	OK	-		7.5
13	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.04	1.49	1.24	2	Great	-	Alert @ 4	7
14	1	-	Yes	-	6.26	1.4	1.09	1	Good	Yes		7
15	1.5	-	Yes	-	6.50	2.01	1.33	4	Great	-		7
16	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.30	1.19	1.05	1	Great	yes		5
17	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.47	1.15	1.26	3	Good	-	Exploding Head Syndrome	4
18	-	-	Yes	-	7.49	1.56	2.05	5	Good	-		8.5
19	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.47	1.39	1.27	2	Good	-	Ignore latency reading	7.5
20	1.5	1	Yes	-	7.39	1.37	1.39	3	Great	-		7.5
21	1	2	Yes	-	5.37	1.31	1.29	3	OK	Yes		7
22	1	2	Yes	10	6.56	1.57	1.28	2	Good	-		7.5
23	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.42	1.19	1.18	3	Bad	Yes		5.5
24	-	-	-	-	5.03	1.2	1.32	3	Great	-	Alcohol	6
25	1.5	2	Yes	-	8.59	2.1	1.44	3	Bad	-		9
26	1.5	2	Yes	-	7.14	1.57	1.52	4	OK	-		8
27	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.18	1.53	1.07	3	Great	Yes		7
28	2	-	-	-	6.27	1.59	1.32	2	OK	-		7.5
29	2	2	-	-	5.13	1.06	1.31	2	Good	Yes		6
30	1	-	-	-	6.10	1.36	1.24	1	Good	-		7
Final	2	2	Yes	10	8.20	1.48	1.09	3	Bad	-		8

Number of nights of good sleep WITHOUT DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 5
Number of Nights of DSIP used = 20
Number of nights of good sleep WITH DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 9/20
Number of nights of bad sleep WITH DSIP = 11/20
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP but work interrupted = 7/11 days
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP actual = 4/11
Number of nights of good latency with DSIP (Good+) = 12 / 20

Observations
Sleep Onset (Latency)
DSIP does appear to promote sleep onset but the data shows that this effect is very miniscule at best, leaning more towards 50/50 when stacked with other sleep aid medication. Even at first introduction of DSIP, the latency was still bad.

Sleep Quality
DSIP has been shown to slightly improve the sleep quality but is heavily dose dependent. Data suggests that at introduction, REM sleep would be high but this effect would start to decay over time. This may suggest that the body quickly assimilates to the peptide and more meaningful dosage may be required at intervals.

We can see that DSIP can hold deep sleep steadily at 1hr 20min + on most days but it does not meaningfully increase it any further. On the initial tests without DSIP, we also can see that a good sleep hygiene would already provide this benefit without needing DSIP.

DSIP also does not prevent night time awakenings to go to toilet, irrespective of the water volume consumed in the evening.

Stress Regulation
The data suggests that DSIP does not provide any positive benefits to stress regulation. It should be noted however that I am undergoing PCT, and work lifestyle is crippling sleep quality on certain days so it is possible that the DSIP effects are too mild for any noticeable impacts.

In some nights, irregular heart rates and HRV can be observed with multiple compounds. Whether stacking DSIP with other sleep aids actually causes a relative contraindication or not remains to be seen - but judgement on this experiment here certainly remains unbiased.

Conclusion
This 31 day experiment has shown that, at 0.5-2mg dosages, DSIP does not significantly improve sleep latency and sleep quality overall when used on myself who has irregular sleep hygiene and work lifestyle (shift worker). DSIP also does not meaningfully increase the volume of REM or deep sleep accrued.

in addition to the irregular sleep hygiene and unhealthy work lifestyle, there are other limitations in this experiment in reaching this conclusion:
-dosages may be too low (max 2mg / night)
-not diagnosed with insomnia
-insufficient experiment days to accrue clinically meaningful outcome
-tolerance built and DSIP effects may have saturated too quickly

For most of us with a familiar busy lifestyle like mine, DSIP effects are modest at best when compared to other more notable sleep aids such as melatonin and GH. I can certainly see it working the first couple of times (as noted by my log #9) but this effect seems to die off very quickly.

If you are still interested in DSIP, it is recommended that before considering,
- please improve your sleep hygiene FIRST. This includes hitting the bed early, turn off phone 30min-1hr prior to limit blue light, and engage in some form of relaxation.
- do NOT rely on it all the time. If you are shift worker and you KNOW you won't get any more than 6hrs sleep, don't bother using it as it'll be a waste. Instead, DSIP is better used when you're locked in for a great sleep.
- PULSE the DSIP use per week. Don't use it every day like I did. It seems that the body builds tolerance to DSIP very quickly.

EVO ELITES:
@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Love the breakdown my bro, nothing makes a log better!

 

[Yuri]

The DSIP Experiment Notes

So with my final Sleep log post, I compiled all of the logs together to review, analyse the data, and here to tell you my thoughts on DSIP.

My DSIP is supplied by @Prymal and I am absolutely thankful in his sponsorship. I have absolutely unquestionable trust in the peptide's quality and authenticity. Please check out his shop here and tell him @OwEv751 sent you!

Regardless, I intend to be open and honest about my findings. The community deserves an unbiased research findings to further improve their fitness outcomes.

Variables
The following variables will impact my judgement and observation of DSIP. My sleep hygiene and lifestyle environment is definitely different to yours, and thus DSIP may perform better or worse for you depending on your environment.
- Undergoing PCT phase
- Inconsistent sleep hygiene including late night work and early morning work wake up
- Undergoing Mots-c testing (overstimulated histamine)
- Work anxiety

Supplements are:
- Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
- Glycine 3g,
- Ashwagandha 300mg
- L-Theanine 400mg
- 5HTP 99mg

The Data

Log Entry	DSIP	GH	Supps taken?	Melatonin	Sleep Hours (hr.min)	REM sleep (hr.min)	Deep sleep (hr.min)	How many times wake up	Sleep latency	Force Wakeup? (for work)	Other Notes	Sleep Score
1	-	2	(Magnesium only)	10	7.36	2.10	1.09	1	Great	-		8.5
2	-	-	Yes	-	7.29	1.57	1.22	3	OK	-	Rerated	7
3	-	-	Yes	-	7.22	1.37	1.35	3	Great	-		8
4	-	-	Yes	-	6	1.41	1.33	3	Good	Yes		5.5
5	-	-	Yes	-	6.57	1.45	1.24	2	Great	-		7
6	-	-	Yes	-	7.47	1.53	1.46	3	Good	-		8.5
7	-	-	Yes	-	5.26	1.26	1.01	1	Good	Yes		4
8	-	-	Yes	-	5.13	1.21	0.49	4	Good	-		4
9	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.44	1.54	1.03	0	Bad	Yes		7
10	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.43	1.57	2.04	3	Great	-		8
11	-	-	-	-	6.48	1.51	1.08	2	Good	-		7.5
12	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.46	1.53	1.34	1	OK	-		7.5
13	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.04	1.49	1.24	2	Great	-	Alert @ 4	7
14	1	-	Yes	-	6.26	1.4	1.09	1	Good	Yes		7
15	1.5	-	Yes	-	6.50	2.01	1.33	4	Great	-		7
16	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.30	1.19	1.05	1	Great	yes		5
17	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.47	1.15	1.26	3	Good	-	Exploding Head Syndrome	4
18	-	-	Yes	-	7.49	1.56	2.05	5	Good	-		8.5
19	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.47	1.39	1.27	2	Good	-	Ignore latency reading	7.5
20	1.5	1	Yes	-	7.39	1.37	1.39	3	Great	-		7.5
21	1	2	Yes	-	5.37	1.31	1.29	3	OK	Yes		7
22	1	2	Yes	10	6.56	1.57	1.28	2	Good	-		7.5
23	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.42	1.19	1.18	3	Bad	Yes		5.5
24	-	-	-	-	5.03	1.2	1.32	3	Great	-	Alcohol	6
25	1.5	2	Yes	-	8.59	2.1	1.44	3	Bad	-		9
26	1.5	2	Yes	-	7.14	1.57	1.52	4	OK	-		8
27	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.18	1.53	1.07	3	Great	Yes		7
28	2	-	-	-	6.27	1.59	1.32	2	OK	-		7.5
29	2	2	-	-	5.13	1.06	1.31	2	Good	Yes		6
30	1	-	-	-	6.10	1.36	1.24	1	Good	-		7
Final	2	2	Yes	10	8.20	1.48	1.09	3	Bad	-		8

Number of nights of good sleep WITHOUT DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 5
Number of Nights of DSIP used = 20
Number of nights of good sleep WITH DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 9/20
Number of nights of bad sleep WITH DSIP = 11/20
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP but work interrupted = 7/11 days
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP actual = 4/11
Number of nights of good latency with DSIP (Good+) = 12 / 20

Observations
Sleep Onset (Latency)
DSIP does appear to promote sleep onset but the data shows that this effect is very miniscule at best, leaning more towards 50/50 when stacked with other sleep aid medication. Even at first introduction of DSIP, the latency was still bad.

Sleep Quality
DSIP has been shown to slightly improve the sleep quality but is heavily dose dependent. Data suggests that at introduction, REM sleep would be high but this effect would start to decay over time. This may suggest that the body quickly assimilates to the peptide and more meaningful dosage may be required at intervals.

We can see that DSIP can hold deep sleep steadily at 1hr 20min + on most days but it does not meaningfully increase it any further. On the initial tests without DSIP, we also can see that a good sleep hygiene would already provide this benefit without needing DSIP.

DSIP also does not prevent night time awakenings to go to toilet, irrespective of the water volume consumed in the evening.

Stress Regulation
The data suggests that DSIP does not provide any positive benefits to stress regulation. It should be noted however that I am undergoing PCT, and work lifestyle is crippling sleep quality on certain days so it is possible that the DSIP effects are too mild for any noticeable impacts.

In some nights, irregular heart rates and HRV can be observed with multiple compounds. Whether stacking DSIP with other sleep aids actually causes a relative contraindication or not remains to be seen - but judgement on this experiment here certainly remains unbiased.

Conclusion
This 31 day experiment has shown that, at 0.5-2mg dosages, DSIP does not significantly improve sleep latency and sleep quality overall when used on myself who has irregular sleep hygiene and work lifestyle (shift worker). DSIP also does not meaningfully increase the volume of REM or deep sleep accrued.

in addition to the irregular sleep hygiene and unhealthy work lifestyle, there are other limitations in this experiment in reaching this conclusion:
-dosages may be too low (max 2mg / night)
-not diagnosed with insomnia
-insufficient experiment days to accrue clinically meaningful outcome
-tolerance built and DSIP effects may have saturated too quickly

For most of us with a familiar busy lifestyle like mine, DSIP effects are modest at best when compared to other more notable sleep aids such as melatonin and GH. I can certainly see it working the first couple of times (as noted by my log #9) but this effect seems to die off very quickly.

If you are still interested in DSIP, it is recommended that before considering,
- please improve your sleep hygiene FIRST. This includes hitting the bed early, turn off phone 30min-1hr prior to limit blue light, and engage in some form of relaxation.
- do NOT rely on it all the time. If you are shift worker and you KNOW you won't get any more than 6hrs sleep, don't bother using it as it'll be a waste. Instead, DSIP is better used when you're locked in for a great sleep.
- PULSE the DSIP use per week. Don't use it every day like I did. It seems that the body builds tolerance to DSIP very quickly.

EVO ELITES:
@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Your team is killer love seeing all of this!

 

[bss]

The DSIP Experiment Notes

So with my final Sleep log post, I compiled all of the logs together to review, analyse the data, and here to tell you my thoughts on DSIP.

My DSIP is supplied by @Prymal and I am absolutely thankful in his sponsorship. I have absolutely unquestionable trust in the peptide's quality and authenticity. Please check out his shop here and tell him @OwEv751 sent you!

Regardless, I intend to be open and honest about my findings. The community deserves an unbiased research findings to further improve their fitness outcomes.

Variables
The following variables will impact my judgement and observation of DSIP. My sleep hygiene and lifestyle environment is definitely different to yours, and thus DSIP may perform better or worse for you depending on your environment.
- Undergoing PCT phase
- Inconsistent sleep hygiene including late night work and early morning work wake up
- Undergoing Mots-c testing (overstimulated histamine)
- Work anxiety

Supplements are:
- Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
- Glycine 3g,
- Ashwagandha 300mg
- L-Theanine 400mg
- 5HTP 99mg

The Data

Log Entry	DSIP	GH	Supps taken?	Melatonin	Sleep Hours (hr.min)	REM sleep (hr.min)	Deep sleep (hr.min)	How many times wake up	Sleep latency	Force Wakeup? (for work)	Other Notes	Sleep Score
1	-	2	(Magnesium only)	10	7.36	2.10	1.09	1	Great	-		8.5
2	-	-	Yes	-	7.29	1.57	1.22	3	OK	-	Rerated	7
3	-	-	Yes	-	7.22	1.37	1.35	3	Great	-		8
4	-	-	Yes	-	6	1.41	1.33	3	Good	Yes		5.5
5	-	-	Yes	-	6.57	1.45	1.24	2	Great	-		7
6	-	-	Yes	-	7.47	1.53	1.46	3	Good	-		8.5
7	-	-	Yes	-	5.26	1.26	1.01	1	Good	Yes		4
8	-	-	Yes	-	5.13	1.21	0.49	4	Good	-		4
9	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.44	1.54	1.03	0	Bad	Yes		7
10	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.43	1.57	2.04	3	Great	-		8
11	-	-	-	-	6.48	1.51	1.08	2	Good	-		7.5
12	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.46	1.53	1.34	1	OK	-		7.5
13	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.04	1.49	1.24	2	Great	-	Alert @ 4	7
14	1	-	Yes	-	6.26	1.4	1.09	1	Good	Yes		7
15	1.5	-	Yes	-	6.50	2.01	1.33	4	Great	-		7
16	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.30	1.19	1.05	1	Great	yes		5
17	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.47	1.15	1.26	3	Good	-	Exploding Head Syndrome	4
18	-	-	Yes	-	7.49	1.56	2.05	5	Good	-		8.5
19	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.47	1.39	1.27	2	Good	-	Ignore latency reading	7.5
20	1.5	1	Yes	-	7.39	1.37	1.39	3	Great	-		7.5
21	1	2	Yes	-	5.37	1.31	1.29	3	OK	Yes		7
22	1	2	Yes	10	6.56	1.57	1.28	2	Good	-		7.5
23	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.42	1.19	1.18	3	Bad	Yes		5.5
24	-	-	-	-	5.03	1.2	1.32	3	Great	-	Alcohol	6
25	1.5	2	Yes	-	8.59	2.1	1.44	3	Bad	-		9
26	1.5	2	Yes	-	7.14	1.57	1.52	4	OK	-		8
27	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.18	1.53	1.07	3	Great	Yes		7
28	2	-	-	-	6.27	1.59	1.32	2	OK	-		7.5
29	2	2	-	-	5.13	1.06	1.31	2	Good	Yes		6
30	1	-	-	-	6.10	1.36	1.24	1	Good	-		7
Final	2	2	Yes	10	8.20	1.48	1.09	3	Bad	-		8

Number of nights of good sleep WITHOUT DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 5
Number of Nights of DSIP used = 20
Number of nights of good sleep WITH DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 9/20
Number of nights of bad sleep WITH DSIP = 11/20
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP but work interrupted = 7/11 days
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP actual = 4/11
Number of nights of good latency with DSIP (Good+) = 12 / 20

Observations
Sleep Onset (Latency)
DSIP does appear to promote sleep onset but the data shows that this effect is very miniscule at best, leaning more towards 50/50 when stacked with other sleep aid medication. Even at first introduction of DSIP, the latency was still bad.

Sleep Quality
DSIP has been shown to slightly improve the sleep quality but is heavily dose dependent. Data suggests that at introduction, REM sleep would be high but this effect would start to decay over time. This may suggest that the body quickly assimilates to the peptide and more meaningful dosage may be required at intervals.

We can see that DSIP can hold deep sleep steadily at 1hr 20min + on most days but it does not meaningfully increase it any further. On the initial tests without DSIP, we also can see that a good sleep hygiene would already provide this benefit without needing DSIP.

DSIP also does not prevent night time awakenings to go to toilet, irrespective of the water volume consumed in the evening.

Stress Regulation
The data suggests that DSIP does not provide any positive benefits to stress regulation. It should be noted however that I am undergoing PCT, and work lifestyle is crippling sleep quality on certain days so it is possible that the DSIP effects are too mild for any noticeable impacts.

In some nights, irregular heart rates and HRV can be observed with multiple compounds. Whether stacking DSIP with other sleep aids actually causes a relative contraindication or not remains to be seen - but judgement on this experiment here certainly remains unbiased.

Conclusion
This 31 day experiment has shown that, at 0.5-2mg dosages, DSIP does not significantly improve sleep latency and sleep quality overall when used on myself who has irregular sleep hygiene and work lifestyle (shift worker). DSIP also does not meaningfully increase the volume of REM or deep sleep accrued.

in addition to the irregular sleep hygiene and unhealthy work lifestyle, there are other limitations in this experiment in reaching this conclusion:
-dosages may be too low (max 2mg / night)
-not diagnosed with insomnia
-insufficient experiment days to accrue clinically meaningful outcome
-tolerance built and DSIP effects may have saturated too quickly

For most of us with a familiar busy lifestyle like mine, DSIP effects are modest at best when compared to other more notable sleep aids such as melatonin and GH. I can certainly see it working the first couple of times (as noted by my log #9) but this effect seems to die off very quickly.

If you are still interested in DSIP, it is recommended that before considering,
- please improve your sleep hygiene FIRST. This includes hitting the bed early, turn off phone 30min-1hr prior to limit blue light, and engage in some form of relaxation.
- do NOT rely on it all the time. If you are shift worker and you KNOW you won't get any more than 6hrs sleep, don't bother using it as it'll be a waste. Instead, DSIP is better used when you're locked in for a great sleep.
- PULSE the DSIP use per week. Don't use it every day like I did. It seems that the body builds tolerance to DSIP very quickly.

EVO ELITES:
@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Great data mate, awesome run!

 

[stevesmi]

The DSIP Experiment Notes

So with my final Sleep log post, I compiled all of the logs together to review, analyse the data, and here to tell you my thoughts on DSIP.

My DSIP is supplied by @Prymal and I am absolutely thankful in his sponsorship. I have absolutely unquestionable trust in the peptide's quality and authenticity. Please check out his shop here and tell him @OwEv751 sent you!

Regardless, I intend to be open and honest about my findings. The community deserves an unbiased research findings to further improve their fitness outcomes.

Variables
The following variables will impact my judgement and observation of DSIP. My sleep hygiene and lifestyle environment is definitely different to yours, and thus DSIP may perform better or worse for you depending on your environment.
- Undergoing PCT phase
- Inconsistent sleep hygiene including late night work and early morning work wake up
- Undergoing Mots-c testing (overstimulated histamine)
- Work anxiety

Supplements are:
- Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
- Glycine 3g,
- Ashwagandha 300mg
- L-Theanine 400mg
- 5HTP 99mg

The Data

Log Entry	DSIP	GH	Supps taken?	Melatonin	Sleep Hours (hr.min)	REM sleep (hr.min)	Deep sleep (hr.min)	How many times wake up	Sleep latency	Force Wakeup? (for work)	Other Notes	Sleep Score
1	-	2	(Magnesium only)	10	7.36	2.10	1.09	1	Great	-		8.5
2	-	-	Yes	-	7.29	1.57	1.22	3	OK	-	Rerated	7
3	-	-	Yes	-	7.22	1.37	1.35	3	Great	-		8
4	-	-	Yes	-	6	1.41	1.33	3	Good	Yes		5.5
5	-	-	Yes	-	6.57	1.45	1.24	2	Great	-		7
6	-	-	Yes	-	7.47	1.53	1.46	3	Good	-		8.5
7	-	-	Yes	-	5.26	1.26	1.01	1	Good	Yes		4
8	-	-	Yes	-	5.13	1.21	0.49	4	Good	-		4
9	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.44	1.54	1.03	0	Bad	Yes		7
10	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.43	1.57	2.04	3	Great	-		8
11	-	-	-	-	6.48	1.51	1.08	2	Good	-		7.5
12	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.46	1.53	1.34	1	OK	-		7.5
13	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.04	1.49	1.24	2	Great	-	Alert @ 4	7
14	1	-	Yes	-	6.26	1.4	1.09	1	Good	Yes		7
15	1.5	-	Yes	-	6.50	2.01	1.33	4	Great	-		7
16	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.30	1.19	1.05	1	Great	yes		5
17	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.47	1.15	1.26	3	Good	-	Exploding Head Syndrome	4
18	-	-	Yes	-	7.49	1.56	2.05	5	Good	-		8.5
19	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.47	1.39	1.27	2	Good	-	Ignore latency reading	7.5
20	1.5	1	Yes	-	7.39	1.37	1.39	3	Great	-		7.5
21	1	2	Yes	-	5.37	1.31	1.29	3	OK	Yes		7
22	1	2	Yes	10	6.56	1.57	1.28	2	Good	-		7.5
23	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.42	1.19	1.18	3	Bad	Yes		5.5
24	-	-	-	-	5.03	1.2	1.32	3	Great	-	Alcohol	6
25	1.5	2	Yes	-	8.59	2.1	1.44	3	Bad	-		9
26	1.5	2	Yes	-	7.14	1.57	1.52	4	OK	-		8
27	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.18	1.53	1.07	3	Great	Yes		7
28	2	-	-	-	6.27	1.59	1.32	2	OK	-		7.5
29	2	2	-	-	5.13	1.06	1.31	2	Good	Yes		6
30	1	-	-	-	6.10	1.36	1.24	1	Good	-		7
Final	2	2	Yes	10	8.20	1.48	1.09	3	Bad	-		8

Number of nights of good sleep WITHOUT DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 5
Number of Nights of DSIP used = 20
Number of nights of good sleep WITH DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 9/20
Number of nights of bad sleep WITH DSIP = 11/20
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP but work interrupted = 7/11 days
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP actual = 4/11
Number of nights of good latency with DSIP (Good+) = 12 / 20

Observations
Sleep Onset (Latency)
DSIP does appear to promote sleep onset but the data shows that this effect is very miniscule at best, leaning more towards 50/50 when stacked with other sleep aid medication. Even at first introduction of DSIP, the latency was still bad.

Sleep Quality
DSIP has been shown to slightly improve the sleep quality but is heavily dose dependent. Data suggests that at introduction, REM sleep would be high but this effect would start to decay over time. This may suggest that the body quickly assimilates to the peptide and more meaningful dosage may be required at intervals.

We can see that DSIP can hold deep sleep steadily at 1hr 20min + on most days but it does not meaningfully increase it any further. On the initial tests without DSIP, we also can see that a good sleep hygiene would already provide this benefit without needing DSIP.

DSIP also does not prevent night time awakenings to go to toilet, irrespective of the water volume consumed in the evening.

Stress Regulation
The data suggests that DSIP does not provide any positive benefits to stress regulation. It should be noted however that I am undergoing PCT, and work lifestyle is crippling sleep quality on certain days so it is possible that the DSIP effects are too mild for any noticeable impacts.

In some nights, irregular heart rates and HRV can be observed with multiple compounds. Whether stacking DSIP with other sleep aids actually causes a relative contraindication or not remains to be seen - but judgement on this experiment here certainly remains unbiased.

Conclusion
This 31 day experiment has shown that, at 0.5-2mg dosages, DSIP does not significantly improve sleep latency and sleep quality overall when used on myself who has irregular sleep hygiene and work lifestyle (shift worker). DSIP also does not meaningfully increase the volume of REM or deep sleep accrued.

in addition to the irregular sleep hygiene and unhealthy work lifestyle, there are other limitations in this experiment in reaching this conclusion:
-dosages may be too low (max 2mg / night)
-not diagnosed with insomnia
-insufficient experiment days to accrue clinically meaningful outcome
-tolerance built and DSIP effects may have saturated too quickly

For most of us with a familiar busy lifestyle like mine, DSIP effects are modest at best when compared to other more notable sleep aids such as melatonin and GH. I can certainly see it working the first couple of times (as noted by my log #9) but this effect seems to die off very quickly.

If you are still interested in DSIP, it is recommended that before considering,
- please improve your sleep hygiene FIRST. This includes hitting the bed early, turn off phone 30min-1hr prior to limit blue light, and engage in some form of relaxation.
- do NOT rely on it all the time. If you are shift worker and you KNOW you won't get any more than 6hrs sleep, don't bother using it as it'll be a waste. Instead, DSIP is better used when you're locked in for a great sleep.
- PULSE the DSIP use per week. Don't use it every day like I did. It seems that the body builds tolerance to DSIP very quickly.

EVO ELITES:
@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

i'm going to be trying DSIP myself. its en route. We did a podcast where we talked about it. One of the things the guest mentioned is that, universally, with these peptides, it's always a good idea to cycle them off. So it makes sense what you're saying.

 

[ceo]

The DSIP Experiment Notes

So with my final Sleep log post, I compiled all of the logs together to review, analyse the data, and here to tell you my thoughts on DSIP.

My DSIP is supplied by @Prymal and I am absolutely thankful in his sponsorship. I have absolutely unquestionable trust in the peptide's quality and authenticity. Please check out his shop here and tell him @OwEv751 sent you!

Regardless, I intend to be open and honest about my findings. The community deserves an unbiased research findings to further improve their fitness outcomes.

Variables
The following variables will impact my judgement and observation of DSIP. My sleep hygiene and lifestyle environment is definitely different to yours, and thus DSIP may perform better or worse for you depending on your environment.
- Undergoing PCT phase
- Inconsistent sleep hygiene including late night work and early morning work wake up
- Undergoing Mots-c testing (overstimulated histamine)
- Work anxiety

Supplements are:
- Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
- Glycine 3g,
- Ashwagandha 300mg
- L-Theanine 400mg
- 5HTP 99mg

The Data

Log Entry	DSIP	GH	Supps taken?	Melatonin	Sleep Hours (hr.min)	REM sleep (hr.min)	Deep sleep (hr.min)	How many times wake up	Sleep latency	Force Wakeup? (for work)	Other Notes	Sleep Score
1	-	2	(Magnesium only)	10	7.36	2.10	1.09	1	Great	-		8.5
2	-	-	Yes	-	7.29	1.57	1.22	3	OK	-	Rerated	7
3	-	-	Yes	-	7.22	1.37	1.35	3	Great	-		8
4	-	-	Yes	-	6	1.41	1.33	3	Good	Yes		5.5
5	-	-	Yes	-	6.57	1.45	1.24	2	Great	-		7
6	-	-	Yes	-	7.47	1.53	1.46	3	Good	-		8.5
7	-	-	Yes	-	5.26	1.26	1.01	1	Good	Yes		4
8	-	-	Yes	-	5.13	1.21	0.49	4	Good	-		4
9	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.44	1.54	1.03	0	Bad	Yes		7
10	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.43	1.57	2.04	3	Great	-		8
11	-	-	-	-	6.48	1.51	1.08	2	Good	-		7.5
12	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.46	1.53	1.34	1	OK	-		7.5
13	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.04	1.49	1.24	2	Great	-	Alert @ 4	7
14	1	-	Yes	-	6.26	1.4	1.09	1	Good	Yes		7
15	1.5	-	Yes	-	6.50	2.01	1.33	4	Great	-		7
16	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.30	1.19	1.05	1	Great	yes		5
17	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.47	1.15	1.26	3	Good	-	Exploding Head Syndrome	4
18	-	-	Yes	-	7.49	1.56	2.05	5	Good	-		8.5
19	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.47	1.39	1.27	2	Good	-	Ignore latency reading	7.5
20	1.5	1	Yes	-	7.39	1.37	1.39	3	Great	-		7.5
21	1	2	Yes	-	5.37	1.31	1.29	3	OK	Yes		7
22	1	2	Yes	10	6.56	1.57	1.28	2	Good	-		7.5
23	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.42	1.19	1.18	3	Bad	Yes		5.5
24	-	-	-	-	5.03	1.2	1.32	3	Great	-	Alcohol	6
25	1.5	2	Yes	-	8.59	2.1	1.44	3	Bad	-		9
26	1.5	2	Yes	-	7.14	1.57	1.52	4	OK	-		8
27	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.18	1.53	1.07	3	Great	Yes		7
28	2	-	-	-	6.27	1.59	1.32	2	OK	-		7.5
29	2	2	-	-	5.13	1.06	1.31	2	Good	Yes		6
30	1	-	-	-	6.10	1.36	1.24	1	Good	-		7
Final	2	2	Yes	10	8.20	1.48	1.09	3	Bad	-		8

Number of nights of good sleep WITHOUT DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 5
Number of Nights of DSIP used = 20
Number of nights of good sleep WITH DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 9/20
Number of nights of bad sleep WITH DSIP = 11/20
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP but work interrupted = 7/11 days
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP actual = 4/11
Number of nights of good latency with DSIP (Good+) = 12 / 20

Observations
Sleep Onset (Latency)
DSIP does appear to promote sleep onset but the data shows that this effect is very miniscule at best, leaning more towards 50/50 when stacked with other sleep aid medication. Even at first introduction of DSIP, the latency was still bad.

Sleep Quality
DSIP has been shown to slightly improve the sleep quality but is heavily dose dependent. Data suggests that at introduction, REM sleep would be high but this effect would start to decay over time. This may suggest that the body quickly assimilates to the peptide and more meaningful dosage may be required at intervals.

We can see that DSIP can hold deep sleep steadily at 1hr 20min + on most days but it does not meaningfully increase it any further. On the initial tests without DSIP, we also can see that a good sleep hygiene would already provide this benefit without needing DSIP.

DSIP also does not prevent night time awakenings to go to toilet, irrespective of the water volume consumed in the evening.

Stress Regulation
The data suggests that DSIP does not provide any positive benefits to stress regulation. It should be noted however that I am undergoing PCT, and work lifestyle is crippling sleep quality on certain days so it is possible that the DSIP effects are too mild for any noticeable impacts.

In some nights, irregular heart rates and HRV can be observed with multiple compounds. Whether stacking DSIP with other sleep aids actually causes a relative contraindication or not remains to be seen - but judgement on this experiment here certainly remains unbiased.

Conclusion
This 31 day experiment has shown that, at 0.5-2mg dosages, DSIP does not significantly improve sleep latency and sleep quality overall when used on myself who has irregular sleep hygiene and work lifestyle (shift worker). DSIP also does not meaningfully increase the volume of REM or deep sleep accrued.

in addition to the irregular sleep hygiene and unhealthy work lifestyle, there are other limitations in this experiment in reaching this conclusion:
-dosages may be too low (max 2mg / night)
-not diagnosed with insomnia
-insufficient experiment days to accrue clinically meaningful outcome
-tolerance built and DSIP effects may have saturated too quickly

For most of us with a familiar busy lifestyle like mine, DSIP effects are modest at best when compared to other more notable sleep aids such as melatonin and GH. I can certainly see it working the first couple of times (as noted by my log #9) but this effect seems to die off very quickly.

If you are still interested in DSIP, it is recommended that before considering,
- please improve your sleep hygiene FIRST. This includes hitting the bed early, turn off phone 30min-1hr prior to limit blue light, and engage in some form of relaxation.
- do NOT rely on it all the time. If you are shift worker and you KNOW you won't get any more than 6hrs sleep, don't bother using it as it'll be a waste. Instead, DSIP is better used when you're locked in for a great sleep.
- PULSE the DSIP use per week. Don't use it every day like I did. It seems that the body builds tolerance to DSIP very quickly.

EVO ELITES:
@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Bro, is this one of the most impressive experiments I've seen!
so overall you would not recommend DSIP it sounds like

 

[OwEv751]

Bro, is this one of the most impressive experiments I've seen!
so overall you would not recommend DSIP it sounds like

It certainly won't be my first choice recommendation.

I would say that once all inexpensive options are exhausted, then MAYBE give DSIP a go (maintaining a healthy sleep hygiene) before financially commit to expensive procedures / machines.

DSIP may have a place for individuals who are suffering primary sleep disorders (OSA, RLS/PLMD, Hypersomnia, Narcolepsy). But for everyday PED users, DSIP performance seems too weak for me.

 

[HarleyGuy]

The DSIP Experiment Notes

So with my final Sleep log post, I compiled all of the logs together to review, analyse the data, and here to tell you my thoughts on DSIP.

My DSIP is supplied by @Prymal and I am absolutely thankful in his sponsorship. I have absolutely unquestionable trust in the peptide's quality and authenticity. Please check out his shop here and tell him @OwEv751 sent you!

Regardless, I intend to be open and honest about my findings. The community deserves an unbiased research findings to further improve their fitness outcomes.

Variables
The following variables will impact my judgement and observation of DSIP. My sleep hygiene and lifestyle environment is definitely different to yours, and thus DSIP may perform better or worse for you depending on your environment.
- Undergoing PCT phase
- Inconsistent sleep hygiene including late night work and early morning work wake up
- Undergoing Mots-c testing (overstimulated histamine)
- Work anxiety

Supplements are:
- Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
- Glycine 3g,
- Ashwagandha 300mg
- L-Theanine 400mg
- 5HTP 99mg

The Data

Log Entry	DSIP	GH	Supps taken?	Melatonin	Sleep Hours (hr.min)	REM sleep (hr.min)	Deep sleep (hr.min)	How many times wake up	Sleep latency	Force Wakeup? (for work)	Other Notes	Sleep Score
1	-	2	(Magnesium only)	10	7.36	2.10	1.09	1	Great	-		8.5
2	-	-	Yes	-	7.29	1.57	1.22	3	OK	-	Rerated	7
3	-	-	Yes	-	7.22	1.37	1.35	3	Great	-		8
4	-	-	Yes	-	6	1.41	1.33	3	Good	Yes		5.5
5	-	-	Yes	-	6.57	1.45	1.24	2	Great	-		7
6	-	-	Yes	-	7.47	1.53	1.46	3	Good	-		8.5
7	-	-	Yes	-	5.26	1.26	1.01	1	Good	Yes		4
8	-	-	Yes	-	5.13	1.21	0.49	4	Good	-		4
9	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.44	1.54	1.03	0	Bad	Yes		7
10	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.43	1.57	2.04	3	Great	-		8
11	-	-	-	-	6.48	1.51	1.08	2	Good	-		7.5
12	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.46	1.53	1.34	1	OK	-		7.5
13	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.04	1.49	1.24	2	Great	-	Alert @ 4	7
14	1	-	Yes	-	6.26	1.4	1.09	1	Good	Yes		7
15	1.5	-	Yes	-	6.50	2.01	1.33	4	Great	-		7
16	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.30	1.19	1.05	1	Great	yes		5
17	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.47	1.15	1.26	3	Good	-	Exploding Head Syndrome	4
18	-	-	Yes	-	7.49	1.56	2.05	5	Good	-		8.5
19	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.47	1.39	1.27	2	Good	-	Ignore latency reading	7.5
20	1.5	1	Yes	-	7.39	1.37	1.39	3	Great	-		7.5
21	1	2	Yes	-	5.37	1.31	1.29	3	OK	Yes		7
22	1	2	Yes	10	6.56	1.57	1.28	2	Good	-		7.5
23	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.42	1.19	1.18	3	Bad	Yes		5.5
24	-	-	-	-	5.03	1.2	1.32	3	Great	-	Alcohol	6
25	1.5	2	Yes	-	8.59	2.1	1.44	3	Bad	-		9
26	1.5	2	Yes	-	7.14	1.57	1.52	4	OK	-		8
27	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.18	1.53	1.07	3	Great	Yes		7
28	2	-	-	-	6.27	1.59	1.32	2	OK	-		7.5
29	2	2	-	-	5.13	1.06	1.31	2	Good	Yes		6
30	1	-	-	-	6.10	1.36	1.24	1	Good	-		7
Final	2	2	Yes	10	8.20	1.48	1.09	3	Bad	-		8

Number of nights of good sleep WITHOUT DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 5
Number of Nights of DSIP used = 20
Number of nights of good sleep WITH DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 9/20
Number of nights of bad sleep WITH DSIP = 11/20
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP but work interrupted = 7/11 days
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP actual = 4/11
Number of nights of good latency with DSIP (Good+) = 12 / 20

Observations
Sleep Onset (Latency)
DSIP does appear to promote sleep onset but the data shows that this effect is very miniscule at best, leaning more towards 50/50 when stacked with other sleep aid medication. Even at first introduction of DSIP, the latency was still bad.

Sleep Quality
DSIP has been shown to slightly improve the sleep quality but is heavily dose dependent. Data suggests that at introduction, REM sleep would be high but this effect would start to decay over time. This may suggest that the body quickly assimilates to the peptide and more meaningful dosage may be required at intervals.

We can see that DSIP can hold deep sleep steadily at 1hr 20min + on most days but it does not meaningfully increase it any further. On the initial tests without DSIP, we also can see that a good sleep hygiene would already provide this benefit without needing DSIP.

DSIP also does not prevent night time awakenings to go to toilet, irrespective of the water volume consumed in the evening.

Stress Regulation
The data suggests that DSIP does not provide any positive benefits to stress regulation. It should be noted however that I am undergoing PCT, and work lifestyle is crippling sleep quality on certain days so it is possible that the DSIP effects are too mild for any noticeable impacts.

In some nights, irregular heart rates and HRV can be observed with multiple compounds. Whether stacking DSIP with other sleep aids actually causes a relative contraindication or not remains to be seen - but judgement on this experiment here certainly remains unbiased.

Conclusion
This 31 day experiment has shown that, at 0.5-2mg dosages, DSIP does not significantly improve sleep latency and sleep quality overall when used on myself who has irregular sleep hygiene and work lifestyle (shift worker). DSIP also does not meaningfully increase the volume of REM or deep sleep accrued.

in addition to the irregular sleep hygiene and unhealthy work lifestyle, there are other limitations in this experiment in reaching this conclusion:
-dosages may be too low (max 2mg / night)
-not diagnosed with insomnia
-insufficient experiment days to accrue clinically meaningful outcome
-tolerance built and DSIP effects may have saturated too quickly

For most of us with a familiar busy lifestyle like mine, DSIP effects are modest at best when compared to other more notable sleep aids such as melatonin and GH. I can certainly see it working the first couple of times (as noted by my log #9) but this effect seems to die off very quickly.

If you are still interested in DSIP, it is recommended that before considering,
- please improve your sleep hygiene FIRST. This includes hitting the bed early, turn off phone 30min-1hr prior to limit blue light, and engage in some form of relaxation.
- do NOT rely on it all the time. If you are shift worker and you KNOW you won't get any more than 6hrs sleep, don't bother using it as it'll be a waste. Instead, DSIP is better used when you're locked in for a great sleep.
- PULSE the DSIP use per week. Don't use it every day like I did. It seems that the body builds tolerance to DSIP very quickly.

EVO ELITES:
@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Bro!!!! This is stellar! I'm just heading to bed it's almost midnight here and I'll be reading this off my phone. This is the type of sh*t that gets me excited I can't wait to read this.

Super mad props to you for this extensive data and comprehensive review!

Great work @OwEv751

 

[HarleyGuy]

i wish we made this into a community research thread but too late now

Never say never I could make this be my next one and put NAD+ on hold

Then bring in @OwEv751's data into it after the fact. Although his review just now is in itself a full research done on n=1 that's for sure.

 

[Mobster]

Great DSIP review

 

[OwEv751]

Training Log
Chest Tri and Shoulder
Mood: 9/10
Focus: 8/10

Stuff taken this morning / before training:
-Glutathione 100ml
-SS31 2mg
-Testagen 1mg
-NAD+ 10mg
-Mots-c 1mg

Peptides after training / tonight:
-KLOW 0.5/2.5mg
-GH 2IU

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-Banana Large
-Chobani Yoghurt 200mg
-Zyrtec (for Mots-c)
-SR9009 1ml
-L Carnitine 300ml
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Who doesn't love starting the week with chest day! After overcoming the pip from l carnitine lats injection, and enough beta alanine to numb everything else, it's time to kick it off!

Barbell Bench Press
1 105 x 4
2 105 x 3
3 100 x 5

Smith Machine Incline Press
1 62.5 x9
2 62.5 x8
3 62.5 x8

Machine Fly
1 64 x13
2 64 x12
3 64 x11

Machine Shoulder Press
1 60.1 x8
2 60.1 x8
3 60.1 x7

Cable Lateral Raise (SA)
1 7.9 x10
2 7.9 x9
3 7.9 x8

Tricep Pushdowns
1 41 x15
2 50 x12
3 50 x11

Rope Overhead Extension (SA)
1 14 x13
2 14 x11
3 14 x10

Shoulders feeling super stiff today. Can really feel it right at the start with bench press. Make sense since it's been a while I came back properly to the gym. Hopefully I can stay consistent and start growing again!

Post workout feels: Pumped! Not fatigued.
Any post workout injuries? None (at least I didn't when I finished my workout...)

Had an arvo session with my health / wellness therapist who's profession seems to be against health / wellness. Got a bit of cupping done, deep tissue massage and tendon relief. Took so much effort to hold back that urge to scream like a little girl.

Any post trauma? Yes. From my health / wellness guru. I'll be back for more of course.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

 

[Kopite67]

Training Log
Chest Tri and Shoulder
Mood: 9/10
Focus: 8/10

Stuff taken this morning / before training:
-Glutathione 100ml
-SS31 2mg
-Testagen 1mg
-NAD+ 10mg
-Mots-c 1mg

Peptides after training / tonight:
-KLOW 0.5/2.5mg
-GH 2IU

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-Banana Large
-Chobani Yoghurt 200mg
-Zyrtec (for Mots-c)
-SR9009 1ml
-L Carnitine 300ml
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Who doesn't love starting the week with chest day! After overcoming the pip from l carnitine lats injection, and enough beta alanine to numb everything else, it's time to kick it off!

Barbell Bench Press
1 105 x 4
2 105 x 3
3 100 x 5

Smith Machine Incline Press
1 62.5 x9
2 62.5 x8
3 62.5 x8

Machine Fly
1 64 x13
2 64 x12
3 64 x11

Machine Shoulder Press
1 60.1 x8
2 60.1 x8
3 60.1 x7

Cable Lateral Raise (SA)
1 7.9 x10
2 7.9 x9
3 7.9 x8

Tricep Pushdowns
1 41 x15
2 50 x12
3 50 x11

Rope Overhead Extension (SA)
1 14 x13
2 14 x11
3 14 x10

Shoulders feeling super stiff today. Can really feel it right at the start with bench press. Make sense since it's been a while I came back properly to the gym. Hopefully I can stay consistent and start growing again!

Post workout feels: Pumped! Not fatigued.
Any post workout injuries? None (at least I didn't when I finished my workout...)

Had an arvo session with my health / wellness therapist who's profession seems to be against health / wellness. Got a bit of cupping done, deep tissue massage and tendon relief. Took so much effort to hold back that urge to scream like a little girl.

Any post trauma? Yes. From my health / wellness guru. I'll be back for more of course.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Excellent update brother. Nice chest and shoulder session with a nice amount of sets and reps in there bro.
Your health and wellness guru sounds like fun if your fighting the urge to scream like a 5 year old girl

 

[OwEv751]

Excellent update brother. Nice chest and shoulder session with a nice amount of sets and reps in there bro.
Your health and wellness guru sounds like fun if your fighting the urge to scream like a 5 year old girl

For real he was straight up laughing when he was "massaging" my calves (read: beating and tenderising) and says for me to calm down, it's only a "6".

 

[2Thick]

It certainly won't be my first choice recommendation.

I would say that once all inexpensive options are exhausted, then MAYBE give DSIP a go (maintaining a healthy sleep hygiene) before financially commit to expensive procedures / machines.

DSIP may have a place for individuals who are suffering primary sleep disorders (OSA, RLS/PLMD, Hypersomnia, Narcolepsy). But for everyday PED users, DSIP performance seems too weak for me.

Honestly it sounds like you're expecting too much out of it. @OwEv751 and also like you said, these peptides fill in gaps for people. It would be like using BPC when you continuously hammer your body away and not seeing results.

 

[Trenhead3cc]

I love your review on DSIP , very comprehensive.

Also your log updates are great bro! Much respect

 

[Ulter]

The DSIP Experiment Notes

So with my final Sleep log post, I compiled all of the logs together to review, analyse the data, and here to tell you my thoughts on DSIP.

My DSIP is supplied by @Prymal and I am absolutely thankful in his sponsorship. I have absolutely unquestionable trust in the peptide's quality and authenticity. Please check out his shop here and tell him @OwEv751 sent you!

Regardless, I intend to be open and honest about my findings. The community deserves an unbiased research findings to further improve their fitness outcomes.

Variables
The following variables will impact my judgement and observation of DSIP. My sleep hygiene and lifestyle environment is definitely different to yours, and thus DSIP may perform better or worse for you depending on your environment.
- Undergoing PCT phase
- Inconsistent sleep hygiene including late night work and early morning work wake up
- Undergoing Mots-c testing (overstimulated histamine)
- Work anxiety

Supplements are:
- Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
- Glycine 3g,
- Ashwagandha 300mg
- L-Theanine 400mg
- 5HTP 99mg

The Data

Log Entry	DSIP	GH	Supps taken?	Melatonin	Sleep Hours (hr.min)	REM sleep (hr.min)	Deep sleep (hr.min)	How many times wake up	Sleep latency	Force Wakeup? (for work)	Other Notes	Sleep Score
1	-	2	(Magnesium only)	10	7.36	2.10	1.09	1	Great	-		8.5
2	-	-	Yes	-	7.29	1.57	1.22	3	OK	-	Rerated	7
3	-	-	Yes	-	7.22	1.37	1.35	3	Great	-		8
4	-	-	Yes	-	6	1.41	1.33	3	Good	Yes		5.5
5	-	-	Yes	-	6.57	1.45	1.24	2	Great	-		7
6	-	-	Yes	-	7.47	1.53	1.46	3	Good	-		8.5
7	-	-	Yes	-	5.26	1.26	1.01	1	Good	Yes		4
8	-	-	Yes	-	5.13	1.21	0.49	4	Good	-		4
9	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.44	1.54	1.03	0	Bad	Yes		7
10	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.43	1.57	2.04	3	Great	-		8
11	-	-	-	-	6.48	1.51	1.08	2	Good	-		7.5
12	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.46	1.53	1.34	1	OK	-		7.5
13	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.04	1.49	1.24	2	Great	-	Alert @ 4	7
14	1	-	Yes	-	6.26	1.4	1.09	1	Good	Yes		7
15	1.5	-	Yes	-	6.50	2.01	1.33	4	Great	-		7
16	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.30	1.19	1.05	1	Great	yes		5
17	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.47	1.15	1.26	3	Good	-	Exploding Head Syndrome	4
18	-	-	Yes	-	7.49	1.56	2.05	5	Good	-		8.5
19	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.47	1.39	1.27	2	Good	-	Ignore latency reading	7.5
20	1.5	1	Yes	-	7.39	1.37	1.39	3	Great	-		7.5
21	1	2	Yes	-	5.37	1.31	1.29	3	OK	Yes		7
22	1	2	Yes	10	6.56	1.57	1.28	2	Good	-		7.5
23	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.42	1.19	1.18	3	Bad	Yes		5.5
24	-	-	-	-	5.03	1.2	1.32	3	Great	-	Alcohol	6
25	1.5	2	Yes	-	8.59	2.1	1.44	3	Bad	-		9
26	1.5	2	Yes	-	7.14	1.57	1.52	4	OK	-		8
27	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.18	1.53	1.07	3	Great	Yes		7
28	2	-	-	-	6.27	1.59	1.32	2	OK	-		7.5
29	2	2	-	-	5.13	1.06	1.31	2	Good	Yes		6
30	1	-	-	-	6.10	1.36	1.24	1	Good	-		7
Final	2	2	Yes	10	8.20	1.48	1.09	3	Bad	-		8

Number of nights of good sleep WITHOUT DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 5
Number of Nights of DSIP used = 20
Number of nights of good sleep WITH DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 9/20
Number of nights of bad sleep WITH DSIP = 11/20
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP but work interrupted = 7/11 days
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP actual = 4/11
Number of nights of good latency with DSIP (Good+) = 12 / 20

Observations
Sleep Onset (Latency)
DSIP does appear to promote sleep onset but the data shows that this effect is very miniscule at best, leaning more towards 50/50 when stacked with other sleep aid medication. Even at first introduction of DSIP, the latency was still bad.

Sleep Quality
DSIP has been shown to slightly improve the sleep quality but is heavily dose dependent. Data suggests that at introduction, REM sleep would be high but this effect would start to decay over time. This may suggest that the body quickly assimilates to the peptide and more meaningful dosage may be required at intervals.

We can see that DSIP can hold deep sleep steadily at 1hr 20min + on most days but it does not meaningfully increase it any further. On the initial tests without DSIP, we also can see that a good sleep hygiene would already provide this benefit without needing DSIP.

DSIP also does not prevent night time awakenings to go to toilet, irrespective of the water volume consumed in the evening.

Stress Regulation
The data suggests that DSIP does not provide any positive benefits to stress regulation. It should be noted however that I am undergoing PCT, and work lifestyle is crippling sleep quality on certain days so it is possible that the DSIP effects are too mild for any noticeable impacts.

In some nights, irregular heart rates and HRV can be observed with multiple compounds. Whether stacking DSIP with other sleep aids actually causes a relative contraindication or not remains to be seen - but judgement on this experiment here certainly remains unbiased.

Conclusion
This 31 day experiment has shown that, at 0.5-2mg dosages, DSIP does not significantly improve sleep latency and sleep quality overall when used on myself who has irregular sleep hygiene and work lifestyle (shift worker). DSIP also does not meaningfully increase the volume of REM or deep sleep accrued.

in addition to the irregular sleep hygiene and unhealthy work lifestyle, there are other limitations in this experiment in reaching this conclusion:
-dosages may be too low (max 2mg / night)
-not diagnosed with insomnia
-insufficient experiment days to accrue clinically meaningful outcome
-tolerance built and DSIP effects may have saturated too quickly

For most of us with a familiar busy lifestyle like mine, DSIP effects are modest at best when compared to other more notable sleep aids such as melatonin and GH. I can certainly see it working the first couple of times (as noted by my log #9) but this effect seems to die off very quickly.

If you are still interested in DSIP, it is recommended that before considering,
- please improve your sleep hygiene FIRST. This includes hitting the bed early, turn off phone 30min-1hr prior to limit blue light, and engage in some form of relaxation.
- do NOT rely on it all the time. If you are shift worker and you KNOW you won't get any more than 6hrs sleep, don't bother using it as it'll be a waste. Instead, DSIP is better used when you're locked in for a great sleep.
- PULSE the DSIP use per week. Don't use it every day like I did. It seems that the body builds tolerance to DSIP very quickly.

EVO ELITES:
@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

@OwEv751 these Peptides are so hit or miss. Some people really like them and some people don't think they're worth anything. I think it just depends on each person's situation.

 

[OwEv751]

@OwEv751 these PEMF times are so hit or miss. Some people really like them and some people don't think they're worth anything. I think it just depends on each person's situation.

Absolutely agree. DSIP appears to have initially work when I first introduced it but my body's tolerance seems to have quickly adjusted to it. Everyone's tolerance is different.

 

[OwEv751]

Honestly it sounds like you're expecting too much out of it. @OwEv751 and also like you said, these peptides fill in gaps for people. It would be like using BPC when you continuously hammer your body away and not seeing results.

Sorry if it sounded that way, but to be clear I'm not emotionally invested in DSIP. From a data collection perspective, I only report how it does or does not work on me.

If we are to drown my conclusive statements, my data is still useable for people to make judgement. I would think this is a good example use of a logger's log for others to make informed decisions.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Training Log
Chest Tri and Shoulder
Mood: 9/10
Focus: 8/10

Stuff taken this morning / before training:
-Glutathione 100ml
-SS31 2mg
-Testagen 1mg
-NAD+ 10mg
-Mots-c 1mg

Peptides after training / tonight:
-KLOW 0.5/2.5mg
-GH 2IU

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-Banana Large
-Chobani Yoghurt 200mg
-Zyrtec (for Mots-c)
-SR9009 1ml
-L Carnitine 300ml
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Who doesn't love starting the week with chest day! After overcoming the pip from l carnitine lats injection, and enough beta alanine to numb everything else, it's time to kick it off!

Barbell Bench Press
1 105 x 4
2 105 x 3
3 100 x 5

Smith Machine Incline Press
1 62.5 x9
2 62.5 x8
3 62.5 x8

Machine Fly
1 64 x13
2 64 x12
3 64 x11

Machine Shoulder Press
1 60.1 x8
2 60.1 x8
3 60.1 x7

Cable Lateral Raise (SA)
1 7.9 x10
2 7.9 x9
3 7.9 x8

Tricep Pushdowns
1 41 x15
2 50 x12
3 50 x11

Rope Overhead Extension (SA)
1 14 x13
2 14 x11
3 14 x10

Shoulders feeling super stiff today. Can really feel it right at the start with bench press. Make sense since it's been a while I came back properly to the gym. Hopefully I can stay consistent and start growing again!

Post workout feels: Pumped! Not fatigued.
Any post workout injuries? None (at least I didn't when I finished my workout...)

Had an arvo session with my health / wellness therapist who's profession seems to be against health / wellness. Got a bit of cupping done, deep tissue massage and tendon relief. Took so much effort to hold back that urge to scream like a little girl.

Any post trauma? Yes. From my health / wellness guru. I'll be back for more of course.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

tricep pushdowns and rope overhead is on point! i love this one. keep up the grind @OwEv751

 

[LevButlerov]

Never say never I could make this be my next one and put NAD+ on hold

Then bring in @OwEv751's data into it after the fact. Although his review just now is in itself a full research done on n=1 that's for sure.

I think NAD+ more crucial lets do that first

 

[LevButlerov]

Training Log
Chest Tri and Shoulder
Mood: 9/10
Focus: 8/10

Stuff taken this morning / before training:
-Glutathione 100ml
-SS31 2mg
-Testagen 1mg
-NAD+ 10mg
-Mots-c 1mg

Peptides after training / tonight:
-KLOW 0.5/2.5mg
-GH 2IU

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-Banana Large
-Chobani Yoghurt 200mg
-Zyrtec (for Mots-c)
-SR9009 1ml
-L Carnitine 300ml
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Who doesn't love starting the week with chest day! After overcoming the pip from l carnitine lats injection, and enough beta alanine to numb everything else, it's time to kick it off!

Barbell Bench Press
1 105 x 4
2 105 x 3
3 100 x 5

Smith Machine Incline Press
1 62.5 x9
2 62.5 x8
3 62.5 x8

Machine Fly
1 64 x13
2 64 x12
3 64 x11

Machine Shoulder Press
1 60.1 x8
2 60.1 x8
3 60.1 x7

Cable Lateral Raise (SA)
1 7.9 x10
2 7.9 x9
3 7.9 x8

Tricep Pushdowns
1 41 x15
2 50 x12
3 50 x11

Rope Overhead Extension (SA)
1 14 x13
2 14 x11
3 14 x10

Shoulders feeling super stiff today. Can really feel it right at the start with bench press. Make sense since it's been a while I came back properly to the gym. Hopefully I can stay consistent and start growing again!

Post workout feels: Pumped! Not fatigued.
Any post workout injuries? None (at least I didn't when I finished my workout...)

Had an arvo session with my health / wellness therapist who's profession seems to be against health / wellness. Got a bit of cupping done, deep tissue massage and tendon relief. Took so much effort to hold back that urge to scream like a little girl.

Any post trauma? Yes. From my health / wellness guru. I'll be back for more of course.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

you're looking good 105 on bench press strong for PCT

 

[HarleyGuy]

I think NAD+ more crucial lets do that first

Roger that, and agree!

 

[HarleyGuy]

Training Log
Chest Tri and Shoulder
Mood: 9/10
Focus: 8/10

Stuff taken this morning / before training:
-Glutathione 100ml
-SS31 2mg
-Testagen 1mg
-NAD+ 10mg
-Mots-c 1mg

Peptides after training / tonight:
-KLOW 0.5/2.5mg
-GH 2IU

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-Banana Large
-Chobani Yoghurt 200mg
-Zyrtec (for Mots-c)
-SR9009 1ml
-L Carnitine 300ml
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Who doesn't love starting the week with chest day! After overcoming the pip from l carnitine lats injection, and enough beta alanine to numb everything else, it's time to kick it off!

Barbell Bench Press
1 105 x 4
2 105 x 3
3 100 x 5

Smith Machine Incline Press
1 62.5 x9
2 62.5 x8
3 62.5 x8

Machine Fly
1 64 x13
2 64 x12
3 64 x11

Machine Shoulder Press
1 60.1 x8
2 60.1 x8
3 60.1 x7

Cable Lateral Raise (SA)
1 7.9 x10
2 7.9 x9
3 7.9 x8

Tricep Pushdowns
1 41 x15
2 50 x12
3 50 x11

Rope Overhead Extension (SA)
1 14 x13
2 14 x11
3 14 x10

Shoulders feeling super stiff today. Can really feel it right at the start with bench press. Make sense since it's been a while I came back properly to the gym. Hopefully I can stay consistent and start growing again!

Post workout feels: Pumped! Not fatigued.
Any post workout injuries? None (at least I didn't when I finished my workout...)

Had an arvo session with my health / wellness therapist who's profession seems to be against health / wellness. Got a bit of cupping done, deep tissue massage and tendon relief. Took so much effort to hold back that urge to scream like a little girl.

Any post trauma? Yes. From my health / wellness guru. I'll be back for more of course.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Nice chest put must have been the result here bro! Good work.

Those arvo sessions are intense, way to gut it out haha

 

[bss]

Training Log
Chest Tri and Shoulder
Mood: 9/10
Focus: 8/10

Stuff taken this morning / before training:
-Glutathione 100ml
-SS31 2mg
-Testagen 1mg
-NAD+ 10mg
-Mots-c 1mg

Peptides after training / tonight:
-KLOW 0.5/2.5mg
-GH 2IU

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-Banana Large
-Chobani Yoghurt 200mg
-Zyrtec (for Mots-c)
-SR9009 1ml
-L Carnitine 300ml
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Who doesn't love starting the week with chest day! After overcoming the pip from l carnitine lats injection, and enough beta alanine to numb everything else, it's time to kick it off!

Barbell Bench Press
1 105 x 4
2 105 x 3
3 100 x 5

Smith Machine Incline Press
1 62.5 x9
2 62.5 x8
3 62.5 x8

Machine Fly
1 64 x13
2 64 x12
3 64 x11

Machine Shoulder Press
1 60.1 x8
2 60.1 x8
3 60.1 x7

Cable Lateral Raise (SA)
1 7.9 x10
2 7.9 x9
3 7.9 x8

Tricep Pushdowns
1 41 x15
2 50 x12
3 50 x11

Rope Overhead Extension (SA)
1 14 x13
2 14 x11
3 14 x10

Shoulders feeling super stiff today. Can really feel it right at the start with bench press. Make sense since it's been a while I came back properly to the gym. Hopefully I can stay consistent and start growing again!

Post workout feels: Pumped! Not fatigued.
Any post workout injuries? None (at least I didn't when I finished my workout...)

Had an arvo session with my health / wellness therapist who's profession seems to be against health / wellness. Got a bit of cupping done, deep tissue massage and tendon relief. Took so much effort to hold back that urge to scream like a little girl.

Any post trauma? Yes. From my health / wellness guru. I'll be back for more of course.

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Throwing the Zyrtec in pre-emptively before the Mots-c pin is the kind of stack management that keeps the histamine response from sabotaging the session brother

 

[Allupfromhere]

The DSIP Experiment Notes

So with my final Sleep log post, I compiled all of the logs together to review, analyse the data, and here to tell you my thoughts on DSIP.

My DSIP is supplied by @Prymal and I am absolutely thankful in his sponsorship. I have absolutely unquestionable trust in the peptide's quality and authenticity. Please check out his shop here and tell him @OwEv751 sent you!

Regardless, I intend to be open and honest about my findings. The community deserves an unbiased research findings to further improve their fitness outcomes.

Variables
The following variables will impact my judgement and observation of DSIP. My sleep hygiene and lifestyle environment is definitely different to yours, and thus DSIP may perform better or worse for you depending on your environment.
- Undergoing PCT phase
- Inconsistent sleep hygiene including late night work and early morning work wake up
- Undergoing Mots-c testing (overstimulated histamine)
- Work anxiety

Supplements are:
- Magnesium Glycinate 655mg
- Glycine 3g,
- Ashwagandha 300mg
- L-Theanine 400mg
- 5HTP 99mg

The Data

Log Entry	DSIP	GH	Supps taken?	Melatonin	Sleep Hours (hr.min)	REM sleep (hr.min)	Deep sleep (hr.min)	How many times wake up	Sleep latency	Force Wakeup? (for work)	Other Notes	Sleep Score
1	-	2	(Magnesium only)	10	7.36	2.10	1.09	1	Great	-		8.5
2	-	-	Yes	-	7.29	1.57	1.22	3	OK	-	Rerated	7
3	-	-	Yes	-	7.22	1.37	1.35	3	Great	-		8
4	-	-	Yes	-	6	1.41	1.33	3	Good	Yes		5.5
5	-	-	Yes	-	6.57	1.45	1.24	2	Great	-		7
6	-	-	Yes	-	7.47	1.53	1.46	3	Good	-		8.5
7	-	-	Yes	-	5.26	1.26	1.01	1	Good	Yes		4
8	-	-	Yes	-	5.13	1.21	0.49	4	Good	-		4
9	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.44	1.54	1.03	0	Bad	Yes		7
10	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.43	1.57	2.04	3	Great	-		8
11	-	-	-	-	6.48	1.51	1.08	2	Good	-		7.5
12	0.5	-	Yes	-	6.46	1.53	1.34	1	OK	-		7.5
13	0.5	-	Yes	-	7.04	1.49	1.24	2	Great	-	Alert @ 4	7
14	1	-	Yes	-	6.26	1.4	1.09	1	Good	Yes		7
15	1.5	-	Yes	-	6.50	2.01	1.33	4	Great	-		7
16	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.30	1.19	1.05	1	Great	yes		5
17	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.47	1.15	1.26	3	Good	-	Exploding Head Syndrome	4
18	-	-	Yes	-	7.49	1.56	2.05	5	Good	-		8.5
19	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.47	1.39	1.27	2	Good	-	Ignore latency reading	7.5
20	1.5	1	Yes	-	7.39	1.37	1.39	3	Great	-		7.5
21	1	2	Yes	-	5.37	1.31	1.29	3	OK	Yes		7
22	1	2	Yes	10	6.56	1.57	1.28	2	Good	-		7.5
23	1.5	2	Yes	5	5.42	1.19	1.18	3	Bad	Yes		5.5
24	-	-	-	-	5.03	1.2	1.32	3	Great	-	Alcohol	6
25	1.5	2	Yes	-	8.59	2.1	1.44	3	Bad	-		9
26	1.5	2	Yes	-	7.14	1.57	1.52	4	OK	-		8
27	1.5	2	Yes	-	6.18	1.53	1.07	3	Great	Yes		7
28	2	-	-	-	6.27	1.59	1.32	2	OK	-		7.5
29	2	2	-	-	5.13	1.06	1.31	2	Good	Yes		6
30	1	-	-	-	6.10	1.36	1.24	1	Good	-		7
Final	2	2	Yes	10	8.20	1.48	1.09	3	Bad	-		8

Number of nights of good sleep WITHOUT DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 5
Number of Nights of DSIP used = 20
Number of nights of good sleep WITH DSIP (Score 7.5+) = 9/20
Number of nights of bad sleep WITH DSIP = 11/20
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP but work interrupted = 7/11 days
Number of nights of bad sleep with DSIP actual = 4/11
Number of nights of good latency with DSIP (Good+) = 12 / 20

Observations
Sleep Onset (Latency)
DSIP does appear to promote sleep onset but the data shows that this effect is very miniscule at best, leaning more towards 50/50 when stacked with other sleep aid medication. Even at first introduction of DSIP, the latency was still bad.

Sleep Quality
DSIP has been shown to slightly improve the sleep quality but is heavily dose dependent. Data suggests that at introduction, REM sleep would be high but this effect would start to decay over time. This may suggest that the body quickly assimilates to the peptide and more meaningful dosage may be required at intervals.

We can see that DSIP can hold deep sleep steadily at 1hr 20min + on most days but it does not meaningfully increase it any further. On the initial tests without DSIP, we also can see that a good sleep hygiene would already provide this benefit without needing DSIP.

DSIP also does not prevent night time awakenings to go to toilet, irrespective of the water volume consumed in the evening.

Stress Regulation
The data suggests that DSIP does not provide any positive benefits to stress regulation. It should be noted however that I am undergoing PCT, and work lifestyle is crippling sleep quality on certain days so it is possible that the DSIP effects are too mild for any noticeable impacts.

In some nights, irregular heart rates and HRV can be observed with multiple compounds. Whether stacking DSIP with other sleep aids actually causes a relative contraindication or not remains to be seen - but judgement on this experiment here certainly remains unbiased.

Conclusion
This 31 day experiment has shown that, at 0.5-2mg dosages, DSIP does not significantly improve sleep latency and sleep quality overall when used on myself who has irregular sleep hygiene and work lifestyle (shift worker). DSIP also does not meaningfully increase the volume of REM or deep sleep accrued.

in addition to the irregular sleep hygiene and unhealthy work lifestyle, there are other limitations in this experiment in reaching this conclusion:
-dosages may be too low (max 2mg / night)
-not diagnosed with insomnia
-insufficient experiment days to accrue clinically meaningful outcome
-tolerance built and DSIP effects may have saturated too quickly

For most of us with a familiar busy lifestyle like mine, DSIP effects are modest at best when compared to other more notable sleep aids such as melatonin and GH. I can certainly see it working the first couple of times (as noted by my log #9) but this effect seems to die off very quickly.

If you are still interested in DSIP, it is recommended that before considering,
- please improve your sleep hygiene FIRST. This includes hitting the bed early, turn off phone 30min-1hr prior to limit blue light, and engage in some form of relaxation.
- do NOT rely on it all the time. If you are shift worker and you KNOW you won't get any more than 6hrs sleep, don't bother using it as it'll be a waste. Instead, DSIP is better used when you're locked in for a great sleep.
- PULSE the DSIP use per week. Don't use it every day like I did. It seems that the body builds tolerance to DSIP very quickly.

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@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Wow brother this is fucking amazing to see layed out! Gives good perspective even though it was a single case review. It still however give a significant angle for people to think about its suitability too for their own individual case. Solid work here legend

 

[2Thick]

Sorry if it sounded that way, but to be clear I'm not emotionally invested in DSIP. From a data collection perspective, I only report how it does or does not work on me.

If we are to drown my conclusive statements, my data is still useable for people to make judgement. I would think this is a good example use of a logger's log for others to make informed decisions.

I know I didn't mean it like that. I could understand where I was coming from but then they mostly are. What I mean is everybody's gonna have different experiences.

 

[OwEv751]

Training Log
Back Bis and Hamstrings
Mood: 9/10
Focus: 8/10

Stuff taken this morning / before training:
-Glutathione 100ml
-SS31 2mg
-Testagen 1mg
-NAD+ 50mg

Peptides after training / tonight:
-KLOW 0.5/2.5mg
-GH 2IU

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-Banana Large
-Chobani Yoghurt 200mg
-SR9009 1ml
-L Carnitine 300ml
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Another training day this time focusing on the pull movements. Back and bi is moving alright but the hamstring is still sketchy. That adductor origin tear is still giving me phantom pain even on light weights.

Barbell Romanian Deadlifts
1 110 x 9
2 110 x 8
3 110 x 7
4 110 x 6

Prone Leg Curl
1 55.5 x10
2 55.5 x9
3 55.5 x8
4 55.5 x7

Barbell Row
1 72.5 x8
2 72.5 x7
3 72.5 x6

Pull-Ups (BW)
1 75 x9
2 75 x8
3 75 x6

Chest Supported Seated Row SA
1 60 x8
2 60 x8
3 60 x7

Reverse Machine Fly SA
1 61 x9
2 61 x8
3 61 x7

Cable Curl
1 28.75 x10
2 28.75 x9
3 28.75 x8

DB Hammer Curls SA
1 12.5 x 10
2 12.5 x 9
3 12.5 x 8

Post workout feels: Feeling nauseous. Probably too much first time coming back to RDLs. Otherwise back and bis getting sick pumps!

Seriously why are uni gyms so packed at 5PM. Back in my day, 5 o clock is happy hour; it's time to get on the piss and imagine growing muscles. Kids these days; so inconsiderate of old farts needing to lift the iron.

Also, I love this accessory on the squat rack. It allows me to internally rotate the wrist so I don't get wrist tension like you normally get on a fixed straight bar. It's the absolute GOAT for pull up with eccentric tension!

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

 

[Kopite67]

Training Log
Back Bis and Hamstrings
Mood: 9/10
Focus: 8/10

Stuff taken this morning / before training:
-Glutathione 100ml
-SS31 2mg
-Testagen 1mg
-NAD+ 50mg

Peptides after training / tonight:
-KLOW 0.5/2.5mg
-GH 2IU

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-Banana Large
-Chobani Yoghurt 200mg
-SR9009 1ml
-L Carnitine 300ml
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Another training day this time focusing on the pull movements. Back and bi is moving alright but the hamstring is still sketchy. That adductor origin tear is still giving me phantom pain even on light weights.

Barbell Romanian Deadlifts
1 110 x 9
2 110 x 8
3 110 x 7
4 110 x 6

Prone Leg Curl
1 55.5 x10
2 55.5 x9
3 55.5 x8
4 55.5 x7

Barbell Row
1 72.5 x8
2 72.5 x7
3 72.5 x6

Pull-Ups (BW)
1 75 x9
2 75 x8
3 75 x6

Chest Supported Seated Row SA
1 60 x8
2 60 x8
3 60 x7

Reverse Machine Fly SA
1 61 x9
2 61 x8
3 61 x7

Cable Curl
1 28.75 x10
2 28.75 x9
3 28.75 x8

DB Hammer Curls SA
1 12.5 x 10
2 12.5 x 9
3 12.5 x 8

Post workout feels: Feeling nauseous. Probably too much first time coming back to RDLs. Otherwise back and bis getting sick pumps!

Seriously why are uni gyms so packed at 5PM. Back in my day, 5 o clock is happy hour; it's time to get on the piss and imagine growing muscles. Kids these days; so inconsiderate of old farts needing to lift the iron.

Also, I love this accessory on the squat rack. It allows me to internally rotate the wrist so I don't get wrist tension like you normally get on a fixed straight bar. It's the absolute GOAT for pull up with eccentric tension!

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Grand update brother. Ton of work in that session. Interesting setup on the bar for squats, never seen that before. Got it going on now bro

 

[Ulter]

Absolutely agree. DSIP appears to have initially work when I first introduced it but my body's tolerance seems to have quickly adjusted to it. Everyone's tolerance is different.

Might have to cycle these peptides off and on.

 

[bss]

Training Log
Back Bis and Hamstrings
Mood: 9/10
Focus: 8/10

Stuff taken this morning / before training:
-Glutathione 100ml
-SS31 2mg
-Testagen 1mg
-NAD+ 50mg

Peptides after training / tonight:
-KLOW 0.5/2.5mg
-GH 2IU

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-Banana Large
-Chobani Yoghurt 200mg
-SR9009 1ml
-L Carnitine 300ml
-Maltodextrin
-Electrolytes

Another training day this time focusing on the pull movements. Back and bi is moving alright but the hamstring is still sketchy. That adductor origin tear is still giving me phantom pain even on light weights.

Barbell Romanian Deadlifts
1 110 x 9
2 110 x 8
3 110 x 7
4 110 x 6

Prone Leg Curl
1 55.5 x10
2 55.5 x9
3 55.5 x8
4 55.5 x7

Barbell Row
1 72.5 x8
2 72.5 x7
3 72.5 x6

Pull-Ups (BW)
1 75 x9
2 75 x8
3 75 x6

Chest Supported Seated Row SA
1 60 x8
2 60 x8
3 60 x7

Reverse Machine Fly SA
1 61 x9
2 61 x8
3 61 x7

Cable Curl
1 28.75 x10
2 28.75 x9
3 28.75 x8

DB Hammer Curls SA
1 12.5 x 10
2 12.5 x 9
3 12.5 x 8

Post workout feels: Feeling nauseous. Probably too much first time coming back to RDLs. Otherwise back and bis getting sick pumps!

Seriously why are uni gyms so packed at 5PM. Back in my day, 5 o clock is happy hour; it's time to get on the piss and imagine growing muscles. Kids these days; so inconsiderate of old farts needing to lift the iron.

Also, I love this accessory on the squat rack. It allows me to internally rotate the wrist so I don't get wrist tension like you normally get on a fixed straight bar. It's the absolute GOAT for pull up with eccentric tension!

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Coming back to RDLs after the long break and getting nauseous off four sets at 110 is the posterior chain CNS load reminding you why barbell hinges still earn their place brother

 

[OwEv751]

Training Log
Chest Tri and Shoulder
Mood: 8/10
Focus: 7/10

Stuff taken this morning / before training:
-Glutathione 100ml
-SS31 2mg
-NAD+ 50mg

Peptides after training / tonight:
-KLOW 0.5/2.5mg
-GH 2IU

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-Banana Large
-Chobani Yoghurt 200mg
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU-PP-332 1.5mg
-L Carnitine 300ml
-Maltodextrin

Back for 2nd day of upper push. Got a flu vac shot yesterday and now got a flu. Training at half capacity is always fun isn't it?

Gotta remember to take TA-1 tonight to fk this flu off. Thanks as always @Prymal for arming me with peptide ammos to fight against life.

Barbell Bench Press
1 100 x 6
2 100 x 5
3 100 x 5

Smith Machine Incline Press
1 65 x 8
2 65 x 7
3 65 x 7

Machine Fly
1 64 x13
2 64 x12
3 64 x11

Machine Shoulder Press
1 61.3 x7
2 61.3 x7
3 61.3 x6

Cable Lateral Raise (SA)
1 9 x11
2 9 x9
3 9 x8

Tricep Pushdowns
1 52.3 x12
2 52.3 x11
3 52.3 x10

Rope Overhead Extension (SA)
1 23 x10
2 23 x9
3 23 x8

Shoulder movement pretty smooth today. Whatever torment and suffering I went through on my Monday arvo torture master must have worked.

Post workout feels: Nice veins on the tris but still feeling sickly as hell

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

 

[Kopite67]

Training Log
Chest Tri and Shoulder
Mood: 8/10
Focus: 7/10

Stuff taken this morning / before training:
-Glutathione 100ml
-SS31 2mg
-NAD+ 50mg

Peptides after training / tonight:
-KLOW 0.5/2.5mg
-GH 2IU

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-Banana Large
-Chobani Yoghurt 200mg
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU-PP-332 1.5mg
-L Carnitine 300ml
-Maltodextrin

Back for 2nd day of upper push. Got a flu vac shot yesterday and now got a flu. Training at half capacity is always fun isn't it?

Gotta remember to take TA-1 tonight to fk this flu off. Thanks as always @Prymal for arming me with peptide ammos to fight against life.

Barbell Bench Press
1 100 x 6
2 100 x 5
3 100 x 5

Smith Machine Incline Press
1 65 x 8
2 65 x 7
3 65 x 7

Machine Fly
1 64 x13
2 64 x12
3 64 x11

Machine Shoulder Press
1 61.3 x7
2 61.3 x7
3 61.3 x6

Cable Lateral Raise (SA)
1 9 x11
2 9 x9
3 9 x8

Tricep Pushdowns
1 52.3 x12
2 52.3 x11
3 52.3 x10

Rope Overhead Extension (SA)
1 23 x10
2 23 x9
3 23 x8

Shoulder movement pretty smooth today. Whatever torment and suffering I went through on my Monday arvo torture master must have worked.

Post workout feels: Nice veins on the tris but still feeling sickly as hell

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Sucks when that happens with those shots bro, fully sympathise. Still got a good session in though. Hope it clears quick for you

 

[Ohdamn]

Training Log
Chest Tri and Shoulder
Mood: 8/10
Focus: 7/10

Stuff taken this morning / before training:
-Glutathione 100ml
-SS31 2mg
-NAD+ 50mg

Peptides after training / tonight:
-KLOW 0.5/2.5mg
-GH 2IU

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-Banana Large
-Chobani Yoghurt 200mg
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU-PP-332 1.5mg
-L Carnitine 300ml
-Maltodextrin

Back for 2nd day of upper push. Got a flu vac shot yesterday and now got a flu. Training at half capacity is always fun isn't it?

Gotta remember to take TA-1 tonight to fk this flu off. Thanks as always @Prymal for arming me with peptide ammos to fight against life.

Barbell Bench Press
1 100 x 6
2 100 x 5
3 100 x 5

Smith Machine Incline Press
1 65 x 8
2 65 x 7
3 65 x 7

Machine Fly
1 64 x13
2 64 x12
3 64 x11

Machine Shoulder Press
1 61.3 x7
2 61.3 x7
3 61.3 x6

Cable Lateral Raise (SA)
1 9 x11
2 9 x9
3 9 x8

Tricep Pushdowns
1 52.3 x12
2 52.3 x11
3 52.3 x10

Rope Overhead Extension (SA)
1 23 x10
2 23 x9
3 23 x8

Shoulder movement pretty smooth today. Whatever torment and suffering I went through on my Monday arvo torture master must have worked.

Post workout feels: Nice veins on the tris but still feeling sickly as hell

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Still moved some solid weight while feeling like death shoulder sounding way better too. TA-1 tonight and you’ll be back terrorising the weights properly soon enough

 

[LevButlerov]

Training Log
Chest Tri and Shoulder
Mood: 8/10
Focus: 7/10

Stuff taken this morning / before training:
-Glutathione 100ml
-SS31 2mg
-NAD+ 50mg

Peptides after training / tonight:
-KLOW 0.5/2.5mg
-GH 2IU

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-Banana Large
-Chobani Yoghurt 200mg
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU-PP-332 1.5mg
-L Carnitine 300ml
-Maltodextrin

Back for 2nd day of upper push. Got a flu vac shot yesterday and now got a flu. Training at half capacity is always fun isn't it?

Gotta remember to take TA-1 tonight to fk this flu off. Thanks as always @Prymal for arming me with peptide ammos to fight against life.

Barbell Bench Press
1 100 x 6
2 100 x 5
3 100 x 5

Smith Machine Incline Press
1 65 x 8
2 65 x 7
3 65 x 7

Machine Fly
1 64 x13
2 64 x12
3 64 x11

Machine Shoulder Press
1 61.3 x7
2 61.3 x7
3 61.3 x6

Cable Lateral Raise (SA)
1 9 x11
2 9 x9
3 9 x8

Tricep Pushdowns
1 52.3 x12
2 52.3 x11
3 52.3 x10

Rope Overhead Extension (SA)
1 23 x10
2 23 x9
3 23 x8

Shoulder movement pretty smooth today. Whatever torment and suffering I went through on my Monday arvo torture master must have worked.

Post workout feels: Nice veins on the tris but still feeling sickly as hell

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

flu vaccine gives you the flu, why did you get it?

and if you are sick get some vitamins in higher dose C/D elderberry and more

 

[bss]

Training Log
Chest Tri and Shoulder
Mood: 8/10
Focus: 7/10

Stuff taken this morning / before training:
-Glutathione 100ml
-SS31 2mg
-NAD+ 50mg

Peptides after training / tonight:
-KLOW 0.5/2.5mg
-GH 2IU

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-Banana Large
-Chobani Yoghurt 200mg
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU-PP-332 1.5mg
-L Carnitine 300ml
-Maltodextrin

Back for 2nd day of upper push. Got a flu vac shot yesterday and now got a flu. Training at half capacity is always fun isn't it?

Gotta remember to take TA-1 tonight to fk this flu off. Thanks as always @Prymal for arming me with peptide ammos to fight against life.

Barbell Bench Press
1 100 x 6
2 100 x 5
3 100 x 5

Smith Machine Incline Press
1 65 x 8
2 65 x 7
3 65 x 7

Machine Fly
1 64 x13
2 64 x12
3 64 x11

Machine Shoulder Press
1 61.3 x7
2 61.3 x7
3 61.3 x6

Cable Lateral Raise (SA)
1 9 x11
2 9 x9
3 9 x8

Tricep Pushdowns
1 52.3 x12
2 52.3 x11
3 52.3 x10

Rope Overhead Extension (SA)
1 23 x10
2 23 x9
3 23 x8

Shoulder movement pretty smooth today. Whatever torment and suffering I went through on my Monday arvo torture master must have worked.

Post workout feels: Nice veins on the tris but still feeling sickly as hell

PRYMAL TEAM
@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn

Pushing through the second upper push session at half capacity while the flu shot reaction is doing its thing is the consistency call that keeps the rhythm intact when the body's in defence mode brother

 

[OwEv751]

Training Log
Quads and Back
Mood: 7 / 10
Focus: 6 / 10

Proudly sponsored by @Prymal , please check out his store for all things you need to grow! Tell him OwEv751 sent you for 10% off!

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/prymal-peptides-intro-thread.108050/post-2063331

Stuff taken this morning:
-Glutathione 100ml
-SS31 2mg
-NAD+ 50mg

Peptides after training / tonight:
-KLOW 0.5/2.5mg
-GH 2IU

Pre and intra workouts
-Preworkout
-Banana Large
-SR9009 1ml
-SLU-PP-332 2mg
-L Carnitine 300ml
-Electrolytes
-Maltodextrin

Flu is still lingering. So annoying when nose starts dripping mid squats. Sorry for TMI

Squats strength crashed to 100kg which is just sad. Tempo style squat is still a bit sketchy, especially coming up from bottom position. The pain at adductor is only flaring up when ascending out of the hole. Most of the fatigue build up is happening from such slow reps (both eccentric and concentric portions). Damn you adductor tear. The KLOW is definitely doing it's job repairing but now I think it's just pain tolerance that I have to manage.

Leg Press doing ok. Can't get into deep position like I use to. Still feeling that stretch on the hamstrings back the back is poppingout of the seat much earlier than before. Guess the adductor is causing mechanical changes to my squat movement.

No drama with back and bis. If anything the back workout offset the depressing leg workouts. Good excuse to copy @zurk and get some biceps action on leg day

Barbell Squat Tempo 332X
1 100 x 5
2 100 x 5
3 100 x 5

Machine Leg Press
1 210 x 9
2 210 x 8
3 210 x 7

Machine Leg Extension
1 96 x12
2 96 x11
3 96 x9

Chest Supported T-Row SA
1 65 x10
2 65 x9
3 65 x8

Cable Row
1 80 x 8
2 80 x 7
3 80 x 6

Bayesian Curl
1 12.5 x 10
2 12.5 x 9
3 12.5 x 8

Post workout feels: Limping out the gym, huffing and puffing but sick bicep pumps. Worth it.

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@Prymal @bss @OwEv751 @Yeahnah @G8MARC @jenkemj @Jigglybuff @Ohyeahbra @Nasser1997o2 @Made_Man @Ohdamn