D-bol only cycle

[FRK2003]

I’ve decided to use steroids for the first time
At first, i was considering Superdrol + Testosterone, but i realized that would be a big jump for a first cycle, so i decided to leave that for a later stage.
For now, I’ve bought D-bol and I’m planning a 6-week run without a test base
The dosage would be between 20–30mg per day
I’ve already prepared:
All necessary vitamins and supplements
A proper PCT
And I’ve done all the required blood work
What I’m trying to figure out now is the best approach after finishing this cycle.
Should I:
Finish the cycle, run PCT, take a break until summer, and then start a second cycle with a testosterone base,
or
Skip PCT and transition directly into a second cycle that is not oral, mainly to avoid additional liver stress?
For reference:
Height: 6’1
Weight: 164 lbs 10%bf
Age: 22
Body type: hard gainer

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Please don’t bro.

Not only are oral only cycles dumb, but doing it with dbol is the worst idea possible.

Plus, you are super young and skinny man, you need to keep building your natural base.

 

[toddthelineman]

Hard gainer=low eater. Source: the hardest gainer.

You’re going to do what you want to do, BUT before you actually do it you should know that the gains you get from your dbol only cycle will be very temporary.

It’s 99% likely that you are so slim because, no matter what you think, you’re just not eating enough. You prooooobably do eat large portions but not consistently.

Before you start taking the dbol, you should start a log with your diet recorded accurately with an app like MyFitnessPal and pictures. And your workouts. Log everything.

Your appetite will increase significantly when you take dbol, but because you don’t have your diet dialed in it’s almost a certainty that it will be a dirty bulk. Then, when you come off, you will get flabby and look worse. This is exactly what happens.

I would log your diet and training. Eat like it’s your job! Favor protein. Especially meat, eggs, dairy if you can. Start with what you can consistently eat daily and increase as you are able to. Don’t go anywhere without food. Protein shakes, fruit, beef jerky, protein bars, meal preps! The better you train the hungrier you’ll get, and your metabolism will keep increasing as you gain muscle.

Don’t forget to stretch well as you gain muscle or injury is inevitable. Go hard at squats and deadlifts, they will thicken your body the best.

Lastly, all your recovery and growth happens while you sleep. ALL OF IT. So be sure to get as much as needed, if that means limited or abstaining from caffeine you should do that.

 

[Dreamer]

Terrible cycle, you will gain water and fat - if anything at all.

Run test and add dbol if you absolutely must, you need to do a lot more research.

You were actually closer with your original idea.

Test as a base minimum - its likely all you need, and at your size and age - food is likely really all you need.

 

[jerseyshoremuscles]

Ghrp6 and mk677 will make you eat....

 

[FRK2003]

Please don’t bro.

Not only are oral only cycles dumb, but doing it with dbol is the worst idea possible.

Plus, you are super young and skinny man, you need to keep building your natural

I’ve been putting in the work and have gained over 20 kg of lean mass in almost two years through force-feeding and hard training. I’ve reached a decent physique, but no matter how much I try, I just can’t seem to push past 170 lbs.
The only things that keep improving are my endurance and strength, so i started thinking about using gear to break through that plateau, since my five meals a day، training, and recovery are all on point.

 

[FRK2003]

Hard gainer=low eater. Source: the hardest gainer.

You’re going to do what you want to do, BUT before you actually do it you should know that the gains you get from your dbol only cycle will be very temporary.

It’s 99% likely that you are so slim because, no matter what you think, you’re just not eating enough. You prooooobably do eat large portions but not consistently.

Before you start taking the dbol, you should start a log with your diet recorded accurately with an app like MyFitnessPal and pictures. And your workouts. Log everything.

Your appetite will increase significantly when you take dbol, but because you don’t have your diet dialed in it’s almost a certainty that it will be a dirty bulk. Then, when you come off, you will get flabby and look worse. This is exactly what happens.

I would log your diet and training. Eat like it’s your job! Favor protein. Especially meat, eggs, dairy if you can. Start with what you can consistently eat daily and increase as you are able to. Don’t go anywhere without food. Protein shakes, fruit, beef jerky, protein bars, meal preps! The better you train the hungrier you’ll get, and your metabolism will keep increasing as you gain muscle.

Don’t forget to stretch well as you gain muscle or injury is inevitable. Go hard at squats and deadlifts, they will thicken your body the best.

Lastly, all your recovery and growth happens while you sleep. ALL OF IT. So be sure to get as much as needed, if that means limited or abstaining from caffeine you should do that.

I truly appreciate what you're saying, but I clarified in response to a similar comment and added some recent pics. I just wanted to make sure I'm on the right track

 

[toddthelineman]

Ghrp6 and mk677 will make you eat....

That’s true. Mk677 had me getting back in line at the taco truck while I was still eating. Maniacal hunger. That was what ultimately started tipping the scale on my first log. It makes you look crazy full too. I made the mistake of trying to take it long term like gh. I continued to gain weight but started to feel pretty shitty

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Another answer shopper.

Do whatever bro, your body

 

[Dreamer]

I’ve been putting in the work and have gained over 20 kg of lean mass in almost two years through force-feeding and hard training. I’ve reached a decent physique, but no matter how much I try, I just can’t seem to push past 170 lbs.
The only things that keep improving are my endurance and strength, so i started thinking about using gear to break through that plateau, since my five meals a day، training, and recovery are all on point.

Dbol is going to give you all the negatives of a test cycle without the positives, why wouldnt you just run test?

 

[toddthelineman]

I’ve been putting in the work and have gained over 20 kg of lean mass in almost two years through force-feeding and hard training. I’ve reached a decent physique, but no matter how much I try, I just can’t seem to push past 170 lbs.
The only things that keep improving are my endurance and strength, so i started thinking about using gear to break through that plateau, since my five meals a day، training, and recovery are all on point.

Oh you look good! Good job!

I think we all understand why you want to use gear, because we… use gear.

I see now you’re not just a kid going for the easy way out and making excuses for yourself, but I do think that my major points are still valid and most of us on here are united in the belief that someone as young as you should wait.

One statement I would retract is that I said you’d not eat right and wind up looking worse from your dbol only cycle. Maybe you won’t. My ex father in law did dbol only cycles (he’s pushing 80yo) he did get big as a house and he kept *some* of it for most of his life. He did get minor but noticeable gyno though.

I could see some advantages to it. It’s in and out very quickly, well, that’s mainly it. I stand by the statement that you could eat more and still gain, with patience and perseverance. But did you say you had bloodwork? I wish so much that I had got proper bloodwork before I started trt.

I’m glad you came here. Hope to see you start logging and go into this the best way possible and ideally wait a few years.

Here’s a few things I really didn’t consider before I started:

Everyone is going to know.

You’re already lean and muscular, so the same week you start you’ll start to show signs of PEDs. Probably the first person to say something will be… your mom!

How do you feel about losing your hair?

You might! The best argument for Ronnie Coleman truthfully competing and winning naturally at first is the fact that he had all the hair he was born with, then he got huuuuuge and his hair was nuked. A little oral cycle won’t scorch your hair but the shedding could be noticeable. Mine was already gone at 40 years old (started trt then) but I did an oral only cycle at 32 and I shed like I had cancer and it did not all come back. That was quite regrettable because I still had enough to not neeeeed to shave my head.

Body acne

This was a bad one for me. Fought it for years on the smallest doses, and I didn’t have bad acne as a teen. I’m talking about damn near bleeding cysts. Blood on my shirt.

Aging

My face isn’t nearly as youthful as it was. I always looked ten years younger than I was. I very much look 46 now. At first, the steroids made me look tougher and manly and I could tell it was attractive to women in my age group (and many closer to your age group) but it’s not as great now. Not terrible, but I’m pretty shy to go for high doses. When I did hit high doses for a short time I honestly looked almost like I was on drugs, and arguably I was.

Anyway I’m just sharing so you can think this through fully. There’s so much info on the social medias and YouTube that a person could think they know enough but that’s just not reality. Most of them are just repeating stuff and they look good by accident, hell some of them don’t even look good at all. But people are eating it up!

 

[FRK2003]

Oh you look good! Good job!

I think we all understand why you want to use gear, because we… use gear.

I see now you’re not just a kid going for the easy way out and making excuses for yourself, but I do think that my major points are still valid and most of us on here are united in the belief that someone as young as you should wait.

One statement I would retract is that I said you’d not eat right and wind up looking worse from your dbol only cycle. Maybe you won’t. My ex father in law did dbol only cycles (he’s pushing 80yo) he did get big as a house and he kept *some* of it for most of his life. He did get minor but noticeable gyno though.

I could see some advantages to it. It’s in and out very quickly, well, that’s mainly it. I stand by the statement that you could eat more and still gain, with patience and perseverance. But did you say you had bloodwork? I wish so much that I had got proper bloodwork before I started trt.

I’m glad you came here. Hope to see you start logging and go into this the best way possible and ideally wait a few years.

Here’s a few things I really didn’t consider before I started:

Everyone is going to know.

You’re already lean and muscular, so the same week you start you’ll start to show signs of PEDs. Probably the first person to say something will be… your mom!

How do you feel about losing your hair?

You might! The best argument for Ronnie Coleman truthfully competing and winning naturally at first is the fact that he had all the hair he was born with, then he got huuuuuge and his hair was nuked. A little oral cycle won’t scorch your hair but the shedding could be noticeable. Mine was already gone at 40 years old (started trt then) but I did an oral only cycle at 32 and I shed like I had cancer and it did not all come back. That was quite regrettable because I still had enough to not neeeeed to shave my head.

Body acne

This was a bad one for me. Fought it for years on the smallest doses, and I didn’t have bad acne as a teen. I’m talking about damn near bleeding cysts. Blood on my shirt.

Aging

My face isn’t nearly as youthful as it was. I always looked ten years younger than I was. I very much look 46 now. At first, the steroids made me look tougher and manly and I could tell it was attractive to women in my age group (and many closer to your age group) but it’s not as great now. Not terrible, but I’m pretty shy to go for high doses. When I did hit high doses for a short time I honestly looked almost like I was on drugs, and arguably I was.

Anyway I’m just sharing so you can think this through fully. There’s so much info on the social medias and YouTube that a person could think they know enough but that’s just not reality. Most of them are just repeating stuff and they look good by accident, hell some of them don’t even look good at all. But people are eating it up!

I’m fully aware of everything you’re saying, and I’ve always believed that i still have more to give and a lot more to learn
I’ve struggled with being underweight for most of my life i was always the skinny kid whose clothes looked like he stepped out of a 2000s hip-hop music video along with that came health issues related to low body weight, and medical treatments and repeated attempts didn’t really work until i started training seriously and stayed consistent in the gym.
I dealt with a lot of hurtful comments at the beginning, which eventually turned into compliments once i started filling out my frame and earning respect for the work i put in often from the same people who once believed I’d never gain a single pound
As for my mother or anyone noticing sudden changes, I don’t think that’s really a factor for me my mother passed away, and she was actually one of the main reasons this affects me so deeply she was the only person who truly supported me and pushed me to keep going before she passed
In general, my social circle is very limited, whether at college or elsewhere i fully understand and am aware of all the side effects you mentioned, and I genuinely appreciate your concern and the time you took to try to shed light on these points
I’ve already done full blood work
hormones, liver and kidney function, lipid profile, sperm...etc
My plan is to repeat the same tests during and after the cycle and PCT, and compare them to my baseline before i started
Your response and your concern are honestly some of the best I’ve seen, and i truly mean that i will genuinely reconsider whether an oral-only cycle makes sense, or whether waiting for a proper cycle with a testosterone base is the smarter decision.
For context, here’s a brief overview of my current routine (summary, not detailed):
Training:
I train 5 days per week:
Chest / Bi
Shoulders / Core
Back / Tri
Rest
Legs
Arms
Rest
My training is always heavy, with proper technique and a low number of moves adding more volume only increased my calorie burn and left me leaner and smaller. My rep range is usually 6–10
Diet:
My diet is clean and consistent i prep and cook my food weekly.
Meal 1: Eggs, simple carbs, salad with flaxseed oil
Meal 2: Chicken breast, rice, vegetables (usually broccoli or spinach)
(Post workout): Protein shake with Oats, honey, greek yogurt, milk or chocolate milk
Meal 3: Rice, yogurt, olive oil
Meal 4: Rice and ground beef
Meal 5: Eggs and salad
This doesn’t include in-between meals or snacks, as those vary day to day and sometimes i only stick to the main meals
I’m highly disciplined with timing and portion size I’m not looking for a shortcut I’m genuinely trying to follow the right path forward.

 

[FRK2003]

Dbol is going to give you all the negatives of a test cycle without the positives, why wouldnt you just run test?

I don't know if i should use a long or short ester, and i also don't know if it will work because I wanna do a quick in/out for the first time to measure my body's reaction to it

 

[toddthelineman]

I’ve already done full blood work
hormones, liver and kidney function, lipid profile, sperm...etc

Please share

Your response and your concern are honestly some of the best I’ve seen

This is my jam. It’s what I do here. I’m not an expert, and I’m not a “body builder”.

But in my personal and professional life I’ve mentored a ton of young men. Like a hundred. I’ve trained skinny teenagers into super strong linemen and I’ve had a couple loose a lot of weight. One lost 100 pounds in a year. I enjoy it, it gives me a lot of satisfaction to see people realize success they didn’t imagine

 

[LevButlerov]

I’ve decided to use steroids for the first time
At first, i was considering Superdrol + Testosterone, but i realized that would be a big jump for a first cycle, so i decided to leave that for a later stage.
For now, I’ve bought D-bol and I’m planning a 6-week run without a test base
The dosage would be between 20–30mg per day
I’ve already prepared:
All necessary vitamins and supplements
A proper PCT
And I’ve done all the required blood work
What I’m trying to figure out now is the best approach after finishing this cycle.
Should I:
Finish the cycle, run PCT, take a break until summer, and then start a second cycle with a testosterone base,
or
Skip PCT and transition directly into a second cycle that is not oral, mainly to avoid additional liver stress?
For reference:
Height: 6’1
Weight: 164 lbs 10%bf
Age: 22
Body type: hard gainer

welcome to the EVO family you have a good base I like your muscle mass in pic @FRK2003
But before any cycle you need to get a full training and diet log up because right now we do not know your calories, lifts, sleep, recovery, or how you even respond naturally, and without that the EVO family cannot guide you safely.
Take 15min to start a log now with daily food, bodyweight, training, and sleep so we can help you properly before you touch dbol or any cycle at all. it will change your life to log!

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

• Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
• Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
• The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
• Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

• Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
• It will take 15-20 minutes max.
• We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
• Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Pre-cycle Training Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

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[Dreamer]

I don't know if i should use a long or short ester, and i also don't know if it will work because I wanna do a quick in/out for the first time to measure my body's reaction to it

I am sorry if I come across blunt - but truly you have a great physique and have done good work, I dont want you to ruin it with a shitty dbol only cycle.

Either way test will work, but if you want to test the waters, use Prop, it acts fast and leaves fast, just be aware it takes a few weeks to really settle in and see your response.

Bloods pre cycle to see your baseline and then 250-300mg a week of test you will be blown away by the results, but I would start at 150 and go up weekly as you tolerate it.

 

[FRK2003]

Please share

This is my jam. It’s what I do here. I’m not an expert, and I’m not a “body builder”.

But in my personal and professional life I’ve mentored a ton of young men. Like a hundred. I’ve trained skinny teenagers into super strong linemen and I’ve had a couple loose a lot of weight. One lost 100 pounds in a year. I enjoy it, it gives me a lot of satisfaction to see people realize success they didn’t imagine

Total Testosterone
5.26 ng/mL
Free Testosterone
14.7
Prolactin
7.16
Estradiol E2 28.31
LH 4.12
FSH 2.89
Total cholesterol 164
LDL 102
HDL 52
ALT 30.6
AST 25.42
Hemoglobin 18.4 (a bit high i know)
WBC 6.4

That's everything

 

[FRK2003]

Total Testosterone
5.26 ng/mL
Free Testosterone
14.7
Prolactin
7.16
Estradiol E2 28.31
LH 4.12
FSH 2.89
Total cholesterol 164
LDL 102
HDL 52
ALT 30.6
AST 25.42
Hemoglobin 18.4 (a bit high i know)
WBC 6.4

That's everything

Oh and creatinine is 1.2

 

[toddthelineman]

Total Testosterone
5.26 ng/mL
Free Testosterone
14.7
Prolactin
7.16
Estradiol E2 28.31
LH 4.12
FSH 2.89
Total cholesterol 164
LDL 102
HDL 52
ALT 30.6
AST 25.42
Hemoglobin 18.4 (a bit high i know)
WBC 6.4

That's everything

Ooof can you screenshot them and block out your personal information? That’s how we do it because the values are always in different units and the originals will show the ranges.

The senior mods will probably turn this thread into your log so it will be useful to keep looking back at it

 

[stevesmi]

I’ve been putting in the work and have gained over 20 kg of lean mass in almost two years through force-feeding and hard training. I’ve reached a decent physique, but no matter how much I try, I just can’t seem to push past 170 lbs.
The only things that keep improving are my endurance and strength, so i started thinking about using gear to break through that plateau, since my five meals a day، training, and recovery are all on point.

You are extremely raw as a physique. There is absolutely no need to run steroids at your age, man. I can't stress how much of this is a mistake.

 

[ceo]

I’ve decided to use steroids for the first time
At first, i was considering Superdrol + Testosterone, but i realized that would be a big jump for a first cycle, so i decided to leave that for a later stage.
For now, I’ve bought D-bol and I’m planning a 6-week run without a test base
The dosage would be between 20–30mg per day
I’ve already prepared:
All necessary vitamins and supplements
A proper PCT
And I’ve done all the required blood work
What I’m trying to figure out now is the best approach after finishing this cycle.
Should I:
Finish the cycle, run PCT, take a break until summer, and then start a second cycle with a testosterone base,
or
Skip PCT and transition directly into a second cycle that is not oral, mainly to avoid additional liver stress?
For reference:
Height: 6’1
Weight: 164 lbs 10%bf
Age: 22
Body type: hard gainer

bros, back in the old days we used to run dbol by itself all the time but you're only 22 years old and you're only 160 lb. You got a lot of growth before you touch steroids, regardless.

 

[Ulter]

I’ve decided to use steroids for the first time
At first, i was considering Superdrol + Testosterone, but i realized that would be a big jump for a first cycle, so i decided to leave that for a later stage.
For now, I’ve bought D-bol and I’m planning a 6-week run without a test base
The dosage would be between 20–30mg per day
I’ve already prepared:
All necessary vitamins and supplements
A proper PCT
And I’ve done all the required blood work
What I’m trying to figure out now is the best approach after finishing this cycle.
Should I:
Finish the cycle, run PCT, take a break until summer, and then start a second cycle with a testosterone base,
or
Skip PCT and transition directly into a second cycle that is not oral, mainly to avoid additional liver stress?
For reference:
Height: 6’1
Weight: 164 lbs 10%bf
Age: 22
Body type: hard gainer

you can certainly use an oral for a first cycle. I actually think that's a smart idea. Keep it short at four weeks. Come on and come off right away and make sure you do a PCT.

 

[Allupfromhere]

I’m going to be straight with you here, brother, because it comes from a good place. An oral only cycle just never really makes sense, this is reality.

Your work ethic is obvious and you’ve already achieved a lot, that part deserves real credit.

If pinning test is something you genuinely don’t want to do right now, then appetite becomes the main limiter you need to solve. MK-677 has already been mentioned and it can help significantly there. Pairing it with something like GHRP-6 can also be useful, not just as a GH secretagogue, but because it mimics ghrelin, your hunger hormone.

The goal here is simply to get food in consistently.

From there, it’s clean, whole foods eaten with intent, and training hard with purpose. That’s the foundation no matter what.

That said, a test-only cycle is still by far the smoother and more sensible option. It’s a hormone your body already produces and understands. Start low, titrate up slowly, get bloodwork, and find the highest dose you can sit at without needing to hammer aromatase inhibitors to control estrogen. Run that for 12–14 weeks, then PCT properly and give your body a break from androgens.

Even post cycle, the work doesn’t stop. Keep eating well, keep training hard, your body needs a reason to hold onto muscle. Prioritise sleep, recovery, and hydration just as much as the weights.

You’re clearly willing to put the work in. This is just about choosing the approach that supports your health and progress long term, not fights against it.

 

[Mobster]

You are too young at 22

 

[ballin2504]

Sorry man to young imo

 

[s.gentz]

I’ve decided to use steroids for the first time
At first, i was considering Superdrol + Testosterone, but i realized that would be a big jump for a first cycle, so i decided to leave that for a later stage.
For now, I’ve bought D-bol and I’m planning a 6-week run without a test base
The dosage would be between 20–30mg per day
I’ve already prepared:
All necessary vitamins and supplements
A proper PCT
And I’ve done all the required blood work
What I’m trying to figure out now is the best approach after finishing this cycle.
Should I:
Finish the cycle, run PCT, take a break until summer, and then start a second cycle with a testosterone base,
or
Skip PCT and transition directly into a second cycle that is not oral, mainly to avoid additional liver stress?
For reference:
Height: 6’1
Weight: 164 lbs 10%bf
Age: 22
Body type: hard gainer

You should do none of this. You should continue to build a base and then think about gear once your body/brain are done developing.
If your not growing your diet/training are missing something. There is no such thing as a "hard gainer". There is just a person who does not eat properly.

 

[toddthelineman]

You should do none of this. You should continue to build a base and then think about gear once your body/brain are done developing.
If your not growing your diet/training are missing something. There is no such thing as a "hard gainer". There is just a person who does not eat properly.

I’d push back just a little on this. You can see from my first log how hard it is for me to gain weight. I gained like one pound and I was eating the whole damn house and taking PEDs. And it’s true that I was working and active to an extreme degree, but when I was OPs age I would out eat the entire crew I was on and they were out working me. I ate at steak houses every night. Steak, broccoli, sweet potato, sometimes rice and when it hit the table I’d order another and clean my plate every night. McDonald’s every morning, couldn’t eat at work or I’d puke, but it was nutrigrain bars, slim fast shakes ot whatever was available like that, fruit, granola etc all day. It was a lot of food hahaha I’ve got the receipts. There is a point where someone with a very high metabolism and high output just runs out of time and digestive ability to eat more. I did grow from that, but it started when I was 18 so I was literally still growing, barely had to shave yet. And there were others almost like me but I’ve never met another person who ate like me consistently. They think they do but they will tap out. Some of them did take steroids back then and I was pressured to, but I didn’t and I’m really glad I waited.

What I’m getting at is that for sure, some people grow with much less food and people do exist at the extremes of both sides of the average.

And I’m not chiming in to defend my feelings or tell you you’re wrong @s.gentz . You’re far more experienced and knowledgeable than I am and have achieved significantly more. But I would like @FRK2003 to know that I do get it. He’s obviously working pretty hard and feels like he’s not growing and is stalled out (maybe).

@ceo told me when I was early into my first log to think of my metabolism as an advantage and not get frustrated. He was right! When I tried super hard to bulk up in my second log it didn’t go well, I did grow but I was silently relieved that work took over and I had to chill.

@FRK2003 are you starting a log? I wanna see what you’re eating for real. You look good, we can get you big, time and consistency will net your more gains than a dbol cycle I know it.

 

[R.AP]

I’d push back just a little on this. You can see from my first log how hard it is for me to gain weight. I gained like one pound and I was eating the whole damn house and taking PEDs. And it’s true that I was working and active to an extreme degree, but when I was OPs age I would out eat the entire crew I was on and they were out working me. I ate at steak houses every night. Steak, broccoli, sweet potato, sometimes rice and when it hit the table I’d order another and clean my plate every night. McDonald’s every morning, couldn’t eat at work or I’d puke, but it was nutrigrain bars, slim fast shakes ot whatever was available like that, fruit, granola etc all day. It was a lot of food hahaha I’ve got the receipts. There is a point where someone with a very high metabolism and high output just runs out of time and digestive ability to eat more. I did grow from that, but it started when I was 18 so I was literally still growing, barely had to shave yet. And there were others almost like me but I’ve never met another person who ate like me consistently. They think they do but they will tap out. Some of them did take steroids back then and I was pressured to, but I didn’t and I’m really glad I waited.

What I’m getting at is that for sure, some people grow with much less food and people do exist at the extremes of both sides of the average.

And I’m not chiming in to defend my feelings or tell you you’re wrong @s.gentz . You’re far more experienced and knowledgeable than I am and have achieved significantly more. But I would like @FRK2003 to know that I do get it. He’s obviously working pretty hard and feels like he’s not growing and is stalled out (maybe).

@ceo told me when I was early into my first log to think of my metabolism as an advantage and not get frustrated. He was right! When I tried super hard to bulk up in my second log it didn’t go well, I did grow but I was silently relieved that work took over and I had to chill.

@FRK2003 are you starting a log? I wanna see what you’re eating for real. You look good, we can get you big, time and consistency will net your more gains than a dbol cycle I know it.

Almost certainly there were digestive/ gut health issues here that needed to be addressed at the time. I've seen plenty of people talk about being hard gainers and eating the house down but when they actually tracked their food they realized they weren't consuming nearly as many calories as they thought they were, or their digestion/ gut health was cooked and when fixed, started to grow

@Allupfromhere is absolutely right, there's almost no context in which an oral-only cycle is appropriate. This tells me you aren't committed to being enhanced, and aren't ready for what could very well be a life-long commitment @FRK2003

If you need help fixing your nutrition and training, feel free to outline your plan here, and I'd be happy to review

@LevButlerov

 

[ROIDDERS]

I’ve decided to use steroids for the first time
At first, i was considering Superdrol + Testosterone, but i realized that would be a big jump for a first cycle, so i decided to leave that for a later stage.
For now, I’ve bought D-bol and I’m planning a 6-week run without a test base
The dosage would be between 20–30mg per day
I’ve already prepared:
All necessary vitamins and supplements
A proper PCT
And I’ve done all the required blood work
What I’m trying to figure out now is the best approach after finishing this cycle.
Should I:
Finish the cycle, run PCT, take a break until summer, and then start a second cycle with a testosterone base,
or
Skip PCT and transition directly into a second cycle that is not oral, mainly to avoid additional liver stress?
For reference:
Height: 6’1
Weight: 164 lbs 10%bf
Age: 22
Body type: hard gainer

you can run dboll only. I know a lot of people who do that. But just keep in mind there's going to be a lot of water retention. I would rather you run Anadrol instead.

 

[2Thick]

I’ve decided to use steroids for the first time
At first, i was considering Superdrol + Testosterone, but i realized that would be a big jump for a first cycle, so i decided to leave that for a later stage.
For now, I’ve bought D-bol and I’m planning a 6-week run without a test base
The dosage would be between 20–30mg per day
I’ve already prepared:
All necessary vitamins and supplements
A proper PCT
And I’ve done all the required blood work
What I’m trying to figure out now is the best approach after finishing this cycle.
Should I:
Finish the cycle, run PCT, take a break until summer, and then start a second cycle with a testosterone base,
or
Skip PCT and transition directly into a second cycle that is not oral, mainly to avoid additional liver stress?
For reference:
Height: 6’1
Weight: 164 lbs 10%bf
Age: 22
Body type: hard gainer

I think you should do T-bol, to be honest. I think it would be much more effective, and I also think you need to log and get your nutrition on point.

 

[Gabs]

Test only cycles are best for a first cycle. But if you're commited to doing more then why not do a test and anavar cycle?
300mg test for 4 weeks with anavar then stop anavar for 4 weeks then finish with anavar for the last 4 weeks. Total 12 weeks.

This is a strong and great first cycle.

 

[Dreamer]

So much advice, the overwhelming consensus is do not run an oral only cycle, but rightfully so also not to do a cycle at all, @FRK2003 where are you at with this?

 

[ceo]

@ceo told me when I was early into my first log to think of my metabolism as an advantage and not get frustrated. He was right! When I tried super hard to bulk up in my second log it didn’t go well, I did grow but I was silently relieved that work took over and I had to chill.

Bros, hell yeah it's an advantage. I used to be a fat kid growing up in Alabama off of my grandma's fried food so it was harder for me to cut.