So I made a decision: I will use primobolan for a first cycle

[ballin2504]

Yes, it's simple... when you have done it multiple times and you are experienced and know what to expect.

I'm still not experienced and don't know how my body will react. However, I will still do it.

No way to use 250 mg T a week, that will most likely cause gynecomastia if I don't use estrogen inhibitors. For my first cycle, I have chosen non-aromatizing primobolan and a TRT dose of 80 or 100 mg a week, which will be done to counteract the suppression of natural testosterone caused by primobolan. The goal is keeping my T levels at 600 ng/dL, where they are now, naturally.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WILL CAUSE GYNO. Everyone is different. I can run 500 mgs of test on a cycle with bloodwork showing it doesn’t raise my e into concerning levels.

You’re looking at WORST case scenarios I hate to see what happens when you get PIP from the primo.

 

[GoldenPlague]

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WILL CAUSE GYNO. Everyone is different. I can run 500 mgs of test on a cycle with bloodwork showing it doesn’t raise my e into concerning levels.

You’re looking at WORST case scenarios I hate to see what happens when you get PIP from the primo.

What is PIP?

 

[GoldenPlague]

What is PIP?

(I'm quoting myself)

Ok so @Ori reacted with "Haha" and made fun on me. I decide to check what "PIP" stands for. It turned out that PIP means post injection pain.

I can't get PIP from primobolan, since I will be using oral primobolan for the first cycle. But I could get PIP from the testosterone injections, right. Well, such pains are normal and I won't be scared.

 

[Ori]

(I'm quoting myself)

Ok so @Ori reacted with "Haha" and made fun on me. I decide to check what "PIP" stands for. It turned out that PIP means post injection pain.

I can't get PIP from primobolan, since I will be using oral primobolan for the first cycle. But I could get PIP from the testosterone injections, right. Well, such pains are normal and I won't be scared.

Yes, your attitude here combined with not knowing a term as simple as PIP, certainly gave me a sensible chuckle.

No need to make fun of you, you’re doing a fine job of turning yourself into a parody of a man, all by yourself.

 

[GoldenPlague]

Yes, your attitude here combined with not knowing a term as simple as PIP, certainly gave me a sensible chuckle.

No need to make fun of you, you’re doing a fine job of turning yourself into a parody of a man, all by yourself.

"PIP" is an abbreviation of post injection pain. I can't know what a given abbreviation means unless I know the full term.

 

[Mobster]

What is PIP?

"PIP" is an abbreviation of post injection pain. I can't know what a given abbreviation means unless I know the full term.

Yet you found out by looking. Maybe, as I've said, a LOT of the questions you ask have already been asked and replied to. Sometimes in your own threads.

And why was you up at 4am??

 

[GoldenPlague]

Yet you found out by looking. Maybe, as I've said, a LOT of the questions you ask have already been asked and replied to. Sometimes in your own threads.

It's difficult to find answers to specific question that are individually for my case. If it's about general information, that's easy to find.

 

[Mobster]

Proved wrong by PIP. You're not, as Stevesmi said, any more or less unique than most. Meds and esp PEDs have a range that works for most. In your cased I'd suggest the mental might be different (not average) but physically (as proved by your blood test) you're quite in the normal / midrange

 

[GoldenPlague]

Proved wrong by PIP. You're not, as Stevesmi said, any more or less unique than most. Meds and esp PEDs have a range that works for most. In your cased I'd suggest the mental might be different (not average) but physically (as proved by your blood test) you're quite in the normal / midrange

Pls, don't insult me. Calling me a normal or average is an insult to me, because it's not the way to think of myself

You are free to call me a trash or a subhuman, which is something I will like, since I identify as a subhuman and a worthless trash. I don't like the way I am, and I want the truth to be told to me. I don't like denying reality. Accepting the reality of my pathetic existence and loudly saying the facts gives me kick-offs.

Yes, my T level is average, apparently.

Next month I will be doing estrogen tests. If I show you the results, will you be able to say what my conversion rate is? If me testosterone is within normal range while my testosterone is also within normal range, would that mean my conversation rate is normal, meaning a normal dose of TRT won't cause the hyper aromatization reaction I'm afraid of?

I want to use testosterone enanthate as a testosterone base during a DHT-based cycle with primobolan. I'm afraid using a 100-150 mg a week will put my testosterone at a way higher than 600 ng/dL level. This depends on metabolism. I want to calculate what my metabolism and testosterone-to-esteogen conversion rate are.

 

[Mobster]

Pls, don't insult me. Calling me a normal or average is an insult to me, because it's not the way to think of myself

You are free to call me a trash or a subhuman, which is something I will like, since I identify as a subhuman and a worthless trash. I don't like the way I am, and I want the truth to be told to me. I don't like denying reality. Accepting the reality of my pathetic existence and loudly saying the facts gives me kick-offs.

Yes, my T level is average, apparently.

Next month I will be doing estrogen tests. If I show you the results, will you be able to say what my conversion rate is? If me testosterone is within normal range while my testosterone is also within normal range, would that mean my conversation rate is normal, meaning a normal dose of TRT won't cause the hyper aromatization reaction I'm afraid of?

I want to use testosterone enanthate as a testosterone base during a DHT-based cycle with primobolan. I'm afraid using a 100-150 mg a week will put my testosterone at a way higher than 600 ng/dL level. This depends on metabolism. I want to calculate what my metabolism and testosterone-to-esteogen conversion rate are.

It's not meant as an insult merely a statement of fact. Think of it as being the middle of a bell curve.

What YOU think of yourself, never mind the darker language you used, is what will (if you're to enjoy any success) act a as what I've called drivers. I'll use myself as an illustration of such language and motivation. Most of the time I might be seen as a big headed mofo lol. A 'know it all'. Certainly one to offer an opinion if asked. My experience in our field (training etc) allows me to refer to such and offer it as an aid to you and others.

Now if you was able to listen to me when I'm about to take it up a notch in the gym I can sound quite negative (although it's used positively) - as in 'come on you fkin lazy slag' and more. Then getting it done. My motivation is rarely static so it'll be something else another time. Consider the power of the language you use.

On the bold - I wont but others more experienced in blood test results MIGHT. Even then... as per a comment by another member and my own relating to meds... let's say the most common dose of an OTC anti-inflammatory (Ibuprofen) is 200mg 2-3 times a day. Yet docs will prescribe up to 4x that dose for certain conditions. Most of the answers regarding PEDs come from our own use and knowing what is an effective dose (what works) for the majority. Vs what works for YOU specifically and or how YOU will respond. I've even said that as big and or as strong as I might be I suspect my test levels are average too. My affinity (ability to use or respond to test) MIGHT be good. Don't forget I'm 59 and yet I appear (based on many members logs) to be able to out lift them. Others, while lifting less, deffo have more muscular looking physiques and use a LOT more PEDs than I ever have. Hence we respond differently. Again PEDs are used at far higher doses (typically) than for medical uses hence it's not 100% possible to fix amounts etc. Even if you worked with a top coach and had never used PEDs they'd have to test how you responded with different doses.

 

[Phill]

uch pains are normal and I won't be scared.

famous last words
I would like to know something when it actually happens..different story

 

[Seventieschild]

You sure you're not in estrogen therapy,with all this drama type shit.whats up!

 

[HybridLabs]

You still saying you are gonna use oral primo!!

Your threads are entertaining bro that's for sure.

My advice is to stop thinking that gear is gonna solve your problems. It won't. Especially not 100mg of test e and some oral primo. Go back to training hard and eating well natty. For the next 5 years. Then consider this again. I have never in my life seen someone overthink using gear like this. It's to the point I am convinced you must be a troll.

 

[MAESTERONDON]

If your doing primo you should definitely be use to test and have some experience with it if not very least be willing to us it as a test base the reason you don't want test is to shut off natural testosterone but the primo is gonna do that already. that's just my opinion though

 

[Mobster]

If your doing primo you should definitely be use to test and have some experience with it if not very least be willing to us it as a test base the reason you don't want test is to shut off natural testosterone but the primo is gonna do that already. that's just my opinion though

How do you figure what you've said WONT shut it off?

 

[MAESTERONDON]

Not saying it won't shut it off in my opinion just seems u have a better chance getting test levels back running trt dose than none at all just my opinion though not saying it's Right but I mean like come on your doing primo but afraid to do test cuz of shit off ? Idk just seems a lil odd but every one is different he may know something i don't