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Tren vs Deca

Id go with Deca on bulk but why run clomid while on cycle????Have Arimadex on Nolvadex in hand if your running Deca.Clomid you will use after cycle
 
Oh Snap said:
Id go with Deca on bulk but why run clomid while on cycle????Have Arimadex on Nolvadex in hand if your running Deca.Clomid you will use after cycle
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I meant clomid for pct and aromasin for A.i. while on cycle. TREN has too many side effects insomnia anger aggression I dont want all those side effects. 300 MG of Deca
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Which anabolic is better for bulking some say tren but too much side seffects but others say Deca comes with joint support. Im leaning towards deca 300 MG of deca and 500 MG of test e ran with aromatic and put with clomif
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Test and deca.
250mg/wk test
150mg/wk deca
50mg/day proviron
AI on hand
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Which anabolic is better for bulking some say tren but too much side seffects but others say Deca comes with joint support. Im leaning towards deca 300 MG of deca and 500 MG of test e ran with aromatic and put with clomif
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welcome back :D @Bruce Wayne how is life as batman? :P lol I had to sorry.

cant tell you whats better as we dont know much about you, what have you been doing since 2017 update us please.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67 @codezz @Yuri
 
LevButlerov said:
welcome back :D @Bruce Wayne how is life as batman? :P lol I had to sorry.
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😂😂😂

LevButlerov said:
cant tell you whats better as we dont know much about you, what have you been doing since 2017 update us please.
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This though 💯

The reality is that any blanket protocol is just a stupid idea. It looks clean on paper, but muscle hypertrophy does not happen because of a template and it definitely does not happen because of gear alone.

The primary drivers of growth are still the basics. The right nutrition. The right stimulus directed to the muscle fibre itself, not just chasing load on the bar. And the recovery that allows that process to repeat over and over again without breaking down.

Anabolics, peptides and supplements are tools. They can enhance well built foundations. They cannot replace them.
If the foundation is not in place, adding more compounds is simply an attempt to out drug poor structure.

That usually ends in unnecessary stress, not better progress.

So the real questions are:
Is your body in a state where it can actually grow efficiently and effectively?

Are your health markers in a position where anabolics can be used productively rather than just increasing oxidative stress and systemic strain?

Is your insulin sensitivity in a good place so that increasing food drives muscle gain rather than excess fat gain?

Without that context, no one can responsibly give you accurate advice. As @LevButlerov said, we simply do not have enough information.

This is not about shutting you down. It is about making sure that whatever you choose to do is built on structure, not impulse. Get the foundations right first, and the tools become powerful. Get them wrong, and the tools only magnify the cracks.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Which anabolic is better for bulking some say tren but too much side seffects but others say Deca comes with joint support. Im leaning towards deca 300 MG of deca and 500 MG of test e ran with aromatic and put with clomif
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I prefer NPP to be honest, quicker in, quicker out, can adjust very easily.
 
I think each to their own, I believe you should experiment with compounds and dosages,

For me anadrol and winny are 2 orals I didn't particularly enjoy, dbol makes me too watery. But between the 19 nots at comparable dosages for the ester I don't notice any real difference in mental state or sleep it's more the overall look and "feel"

You can bulk or cut on anything really.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Which anabolic is better for bulking some say tren but too much side seffects but others say Deca comes with joint support. Im leaning towards deca 300 MG of deca and 500 MG of test e ran with aromatic and put with clomif
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Welcome back from I see you've been here for a long while. Why don't you get us caught up on yourself and your stats before we design a cycle for you?
 
LevButlerov said:
welcome back :D @Bruce Wayne how is life as batman? :P lol I had to sorry.

cant tell you whats better as we dont know much about you, what have you been doing since 2017 update us please.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67 @codezz @Yuri
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LevButlerov said:
welcome back :D @Bruce Wayne how is life as batman? :P lol I had to sorry.

cant tell you whats better as we dont know much about you, what have you been doing since 2017 update us please.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67 @codezz @Yuri
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Well ever since 2018 I've been driving trucks I got my cdls from Steven's transport and been hauling for 7 years now just starting to get back in the gym since I've been working alot. Im taking a break from OTR so now im driving locally. I figure now is a good time to get back into the gym also I had my first child turns out I had a boy and life has been great just living taking care of my lad and working
 
LevButlerov said:
welcome back :D @Bruce Wayne how is life as batman? :P lol I had to sorry.

cant tell you whats better as we dont know much about you, what have you been doing since 2017 update us please.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67 @codezz @Yuri
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LevButlerov said:
welcome back :D @Bruce Wayne how is life as batman? :P lol I had to sorry.

cant tell you whats better as we dont know much about you, what have you been doing since 2017 update us please.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67 @codezz @Yuri
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Well ever since 2018 I've been driving trucks I got my cdls from Steven's transport and been hauling for 7 years now just starting to get back in the gym since I've been working alot. Im taking a break from OTR so now im driving locally. I figure now is a good time to get back into the gym also I had my first child turns out I had a boy and life has been great just living taking care of my lad and
Trenhead3cc said:
Would pick NPP or Deca over Tren for a bulk. You want to be getting the food in easily , Tren can reduce appetite In some people , definitely does to me anyway.
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I appreciate that I was going with Deca anyway I dont like the side effects with tren. On deca I would pin 300 MG every Monday and my test E 250 mg every Monday and Thursday. Aromasin like every 2 to 3 days. Pct consists of nova and clomid. I've never tried NPP but I will do further research on it.
 
HarleyGuy said:
Welcome back from I see you've been here for a long while. Why don't you get us caught up on yourself and your stats before we design a cycle for you?
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Im 5'10 170 pnds 15% body fat
Demon_throne said:
I think each to their own, I believe you should experiment with compounds and dosages,

For me anadrol and winny are 2 orals I didn't particularly enjoy, dbol makes me too watery. But between the 19 nots at comparable dosages for the ester I don't notice any real difference in mental state or sleep it's more the overall look and "feel"

You can bulk or cut on anything really.
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I really dont like orals due to the strain on the liver. As far as mentals go orals make me too lethargic I literally have no energy for nothing.
 
jerseyshoremuscles said:
Save the trenbolone for another blast. I like to add trenbolone acetate the last 4 weeks of a blast. Imo trenbolone is not a bulker.

Do some research on stacking
Testosterone enanthate
Deca
Eq
Proviron
Tbol or anavar
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Im doing a 12 week cycle and im trying no to any orals because of the harshness on the liver.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Not familiar with NPP and its half life could you explain a little and what kind of A.I. would you recommend running it
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NPP is Deca but short ester, both Deca and NPP are just nandrolone but NPP has a half life of 3-4 days and deca is like 12 days.

You can dose NPP and adjust it and feel the change very quickly or if it doesnt agree with you, pull it and its gone very quickly, alot of people find it drier and easier to manage too.

I wouldnt jump straight to a AI but if you do need one, I would say Aromasin is the way to go, but you could also consider running a low dose of eq or primo to combat the e2?
 
On Deca I would buy some P5P supplements it’s what I always take when running a nandrolone as it can help reduce prolactin.
From mild elevation from low doses, high doses it’s not very effective.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Which anabolic is better for bulking some say tren but too much side seffects but others say Deca comes with joint support. Im leaning towards deca 300 MG of deca and 500 MG of test e ran with aromatic and put with clomif
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i've bulked up on both.

deca is more mild obviously and will help you with appetite a lot
tren is more harsh but you can get super huge results fast. i hit all time PRs in weight and strength on tren but the sides are vicious
 
stevesmi said:
i've bulked up on both.

deca is more mild obviously and will help you with appetite a lot
tren is more harsh but you can get super huge results fast. i hit all time PRs in weight and strength on tren but the sides are vicious
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Yea, im trying to avoid all the psychological sides aggression being the most. I have kids so I dont want to be roid raging. I heard deca doesn't have that many sides and its a slow bulk so im preparing for that I dont need nothing super quick I got all the time in the world.
 
Trenhead3cc said:
On Deca I would buy some P5P supplements it’s what I always take when running a nandrolone as it can help reduce prolactin.
From mild elevation from low doses, high doses it’s not very effective.
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I never heard of p5p supplements is their another name for them. I heard cabergoline is good for prolactin.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Yea, im trying to avoid all the psychological sides aggression being the most. I have kids so I dont want to be roid raging. I heard deca doesn't have that many sides and its a slow bulk so im preparing for that I dont need nothing super quick I got all the time in the world.
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yeah then tren probably isn't a good one for you
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I never heard of p5p supplements is their another name for them. I heard cabergoline is good for prolactin.
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Caber is good for the high dose cycles,

Vitamin b6 (P5P)
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Which anabolic is better for bulking some say tren but too much side seffects but others say Deca comes with joint support. Im leaning towards deca 300 MG of deca and 500 MG of test e ran with aromatic and put with clomif
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I mean at the end of the day they both are pretty strong. You can certainly bulk up on both. It's a matter of which one you want to go with. At some point you're going to want to try both so try one this time and try the other another time.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Which anabolic is better for bulking some say tren but too much side seffects but others say Deca comes with joint support. Im leaning towards deca 300 MG of deca and 500 MG of test e ran with aromatic and put with clomif
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Bros, Tren is simply one of the best. It's one of my favorite options. You get big and strong on it.
 
Ulter said:
I mean at the end of the day they both are pretty strong. You can certainly bulk up on both. It's a matter of which one you want to go with. At some point you're going to want to try both so try one this time and try the other another time.
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I will thanks for the input
 
ceo said:
Bros, Tren is simply one of the best. It's one of my favorite options. You get big and strong on it.
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Yea, but the sides effects are too much anger aggression, insomnia, and night sweats. I have kids so I cant be angry all the time. I work in the a.m. dont have time for the insomnia.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Which anabolic is better for bulking some say tren but too much side seffects but others say Deca comes with joint support. Im leaning towards deca 300 MG of deca and 500 MG of test e ran with aromatic and put with clomif
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tren blows any steroid away, of the main steroids at least, in terms of sheer results, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be your best choice.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Which anabolic is better for bulking some say tren but too much side seffects but others say Deca comes with joint support. Im leaning towards deca 300 MG of deca and 500 MG of test e ran with aromatic and put with clomif
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tren and Deca together, why not? Why not stack them both? Do 250 mg of each and add some proviron.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
It also gives you crazy side effects on top of that you have to pin like 3 times a week im good on that
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Bros, yes tren does give side effects; that is true but one day you should run it once you gain experience.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Well ever since 2018 I've been driving trucks I got my cdls from Steven's transport and been hauling for 7 years now just starting to get back in the gym since I've been working alot. Im taking a break from OTR so now im driving locally. I figure now is a good time to get back into the gym also I had my first child turns out I had a boy and life has been great just living taking care of my lad and
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Bruce Wayne said:
Im 5'10 170 pnds 15% body fat
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Welcome back and since you're just now starting to get back to the gym, trenbolone should be off the table @Bruce Wayne
Start a simple log today with daily bodyweight, 3-4 training days, steps or cardio, sleep, and your meals and protein so the EVO family can help you add size and keep the waist tight. dont just jump into a cycle, 15min to start a log.

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?
  • Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
  • Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
  • The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
  • Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:
  • Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
  • It will take 15-20 minutes max.
  • We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
  • Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Training Nutrition cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Thats a disaster waiting to happen tren and deca i dont think my brain could handle the side effects
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waiting to get your log up :D post it up @Bruce Wayne
how to
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/tren-vs-deca.109486/post-1991149
LevButlerov said:
Welcome back and since you're just now starting to get back to the gym, trenbolone should be off the table @Bruce Wayne
Start a simple log today with daily bodyweight, 3-4 training days, steps or cardio, sleep, and your meals and protein so the EVO family can help you add size and keep the waist tight. dont just jump into a cycle, 15min to start a log.

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?
  • Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
  • Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
  • The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
  • Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:
  • Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
  • It will take 15-20 minutes max.
  • We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
  • Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Training Nutrition cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com
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