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Ah I figured I was off some place. I just didn’t understand how my number was low when it was over double the high end of the range I was seeing online.
if you keep your test so slow you won't need an AI especially with Primo
but anything above 300 or 400 mg of tests then yes you need an AI
but anything above 300 or 400 mg of tests then yes you need an AI
I've always used Primo at a higher dose
I like the 2 to 1 ratio
I like the 2 to 1 ratio
bro i hate primo lol
don't know why everyone don't just use tren ??
don't know why everyone don't just use tren ??
AI and a planned PCT
Ok I appreciate everyone’s help but I am more confused than ever at this point. Can anyone tell me if this total estrogen level is high or low?
If it's low would a ratio of 300 test 200 primo be what I'm looking for. My test levels are only in the mid to high 600's on TRT currently.
If it's high I am thinking 150 test 250-300 primo to lower the estrogen levels.
Regardless, I am planning on getting bloodwork done four weeks in and again at the completion of the cycle. Would a light hormone panel be sufficient for the mid cycle bloodwork?
Thanks to the community for your support of a guy who wants to learn and wants to have a plan for what he puts in his body.
If it's low would a ratio of 300 test 200 primo be what I'm looking for. My test levels are only in the mid to high 600's on TRT currently.
If it's high I am thinking 150 test 250-300 primo to lower the estrogen levels.
Regardless, I am planning on getting bloodwork done four weeks in and again at the completion of the cycle. Would a light hormone panel be sufficient for the mid cycle bloodwork?
Thanks to the community for your support of a guy who wants to learn and wants to have a plan for what he puts in his body.
I have AI on hand and I plan on going back to TRT for PCT. My levels are naturally on the low end and I am infertile, so I have signed up for a life of TRT.
pg/mL should be around 10-50 just checked this @ajg223 you're HIGH estrogen not in green range
I dont understand why 404 is your range, you a dude right?
Do you have funds to redo this estrogen blood work right now?
Either way, I would start with 200mgs testosterone 300mgs primobolan and go from there.
Yes exactly @juddy
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E2
So your E2 is high, but not overly, mine hits 145 without an AI or reducing Test (or adding primo! Check my Log) but everyone is different.
You're the one that has to make the call on what to do unfortunately. I think its fine, until you experince sides I'd wouldn't start trying to control your E2. You already have an AI on hand and that is a great start.
BLOODS
Do you know enought to make decisions based off the info shown on the blood panels? If so, then you know what to order.
If not, get a coach who can or you'll be unsure the entire time leading to a less than optimal experience.
CYCLE
Do your cycle, and adjust it based on bloods and sides, not bloods alone.
I'd go start 1:1 ratio of test
rimo, moving to a higher primo to mitigate E2 as needed.
Plan a longer cycle with Primo, its not Tren, it takes time to work from what I have read.
Good luck mate we are all keen to see you succeed.
So your E2 is high, but not overly, mine hits 145 without an AI or reducing Test (or adding primo! Check my Log) but everyone is different.
You're the one that has to make the call on what to do unfortunately. I think its fine, until you experince sides I'd wouldn't start trying to control your E2. You already have an AI on hand and that is a great start.
BLOODS
Do you know enought to make decisions based off the info shown on the blood panels? If so, then you know what to order.
If not, get a coach who can or you'll be unsure the entire time leading to a less than optimal experience.
CYCLE
Do your cycle, and adjust it based on bloods and sides, not bloods alone.
I'd go start 1:1 ratio of test
rimo, moving to a higher primo to mitigate E2 as needed.Plan a longer cycle with Primo, its not Tren, it takes time to work from what I have read.
Good luck mate we are all keen to see you succeed.
@ajg223 get the light one, we just need estradiol redone and rest would be good to have too bro
dont get the expensive medium one
Not primo fan
Looks like the guys got ya covered. I’d up the primo
I scheduled a blood test but it’s not for almost a month as I have to go out of state for it. None of the discount sites are available in NY so I have to drive to CT to do it. I refuse to pay $200 for a test I can get for $67 if I’m willing to drive 15 miles. I am going to push back the start of my cycle 2 weeks so that the blood test coincides with the 4 week mark of the cycle.
Going to run 200mg test and 300 primo to start. Will adjust based on how I feel and what the bloods say. Debating whether or not to take an AI proactively or waiting for the bloods.
Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge and opinions. This community is the best.
Going to run 200mg test and 300 primo to start. Will adjust based on how I feel and what the bloods say. Debating whether or not to take an AI proactively or waiting for the bloods.
Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge and opinions. This community is the best.
you can start with 200 test 300primo and we adjust as we go
lets try this and go
but Ai you dont need, like aromasin 5mgs you can do 1 tab to start
@ajg223 looking really good the chest and arms are growing for sure man
you look leaner too
this is good 1 day training is that on your notes in phone?
Anybody with a flat stomach is in good shape and ahead of other people.
Now, let's see what we're capable of doing.
Now, let's see what we're capable of doing.
Not a bad work [email protected] got in some good different exercises. I like the barbell hip thrust.
That’s my exact goal.
Will do. I know my diet is going to be the key to meeting my goals.
I am doing push, pull, legs, then a full body day like yesterday and a day of CrossFit.
Today’s Push Session
Close Grip Bench Press
3 sets: 6 x 165 los, 6 x 185Ibs , 6 x 165 lbs
Dumbbell Incline Bench Press
3 sets: 6 x 45 lbs, 6 x 55 lbs, 6 x 55 lbs
Flat Dumbbell Fly
2 sets: 8 x 35 lbs, 8 x 40 lbs
Single Arm Dumbbell Shoulder Press
3 sets: 6 x 40 lbs, 6 x 50 lbs, 6 x 55 lbs
Seated Dumbbell Lateral Raises
2 sets: 8 x 25 lbs x 0 sec, 10 x 25 lb x 0 sec
Dumbbell Skull Crushers
2 sets: 8 x 35 lbs x 0 sec, 8 x 45 lbs x 0 sec
Barbell Bench Press
1 set: 8 x 185 lbs
Close Grip Bench Press
3 sets: 6 x 165 los, 6 x 185Ibs , 6 x 165 lbs
Dumbbell Incline Bench Press
3 sets: 6 x 45 lbs, 6 x 55 lbs, 6 x 55 lbs
Flat Dumbbell Fly
2 sets: 8 x 35 lbs, 8 x 40 lbs
Single Arm Dumbbell Shoulder Press
3 sets: 6 x 40 lbs, 6 x 50 lbs, 6 x 55 lbs
Seated Dumbbell Lateral Raises
2 sets: 8 x 25 lbs x 0 sec, 10 x 25 lb x 0 sec
Dumbbell Skull Crushers
2 sets: 8 x 35 lbs x 0 sec, 8 x 45 lbs x 0 sec
Barbell Bench Press
1 set: 8 x 185 lbs
Love that workout mate! Most of my favourite exercises there!
@ajg223 close grip bench thats the ticket, love the arm pump after. why all 6? can we add a 12 or 15 set in there please
This will be a good cycle for you
Yeaterday’s Workout - I am going to start increasing either the volume or the weight. I am following some programming but need to make some adjustments.
Front Squat
3 sets: 6 x 205 lbs, 6 x 230 lbs, 6 x 255 lbs
Swiss Ball Leg Curls
3 sets: 6, 6, 6
Single Arm Dumbbell Split Squat
3 sets: 6 x 60 lbs, 6 x 75 lbs, 6 x 75 lbs
Dumbbell Goblet Squat
2 sets: 8 x 62 lbs, 8 x 88 lbs
Back Squat
1 set: 13 x 275 lbs
Leg Supported Dumbbell RDL
3 sets: 8 x 60 lbs, 8 x 60 lbs, 8 x 60 lbs
Overhead Cable Tricep Extension
3 sets: 10 x 55 Ibs, 10 x 55 Ibs, 10 x 55 lbs
Rope Cable Bicep Curl
3 sets: 10 x 35 Ibs, 10 x 45 lbs, 10 x50 lbs
Barbell Deficit Standing Calf Raises
3 sets: 20 x 180 lbs, 20 x 180 lbs, 20 x 180 lbs
Front Squat
3 sets: 6 x 205 lbs, 6 x 230 lbs, 6 x 255 lbs
Swiss Ball Leg Curls
3 sets: 6, 6, 6
Single Arm Dumbbell Split Squat
3 sets: 6 x 60 lbs, 6 x 75 lbs, 6 x 75 lbs
Dumbbell Goblet Squat
2 sets: 8 x 62 lbs, 8 x 88 lbs
Back Squat
1 set: 13 x 275 lbs
Leg Supported Dumbbell RDL
3 sets: 8 x 60 lbs, 8 x 60 lbs, 8 x 60 lbs
Overhead Cable Tricep Extension
3 sets: 10 x 55 Ibs, 10 x 55 Ibs, 10 x 55 lbs
Rope Cable Bicep Curl
3 sets: 10 x 35 Ibs, 10 x 45 lbs, 10 x50 lbs
Barbell Deficit Standing Calf Raises
3 sets: 20 x 180 lbs, 20 x 180 lbs, 20 x 180 lbs
@ajg223 Amazing updates man.....keep killing it.........
@ajg223 stay on that grind bro!
Yesterday’s workout. Rest day today.
Cable Face Pulls
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 60 lb
Barbell Curl
8 reps x 45 lb
8 reps x 75 lb
8 reps x 75 lb
8 reps x 75 lb
Lat Pulldown
8 reps x 90 lb
10 reps x 150 lb
10 reps x 150 lb
10 reps x 150 lb
Machine Rear Delt Fly
8 reps x 45 lb
8 reps x 90 lb
8 reps x 90 lb
8 reps x 110 lb
8 reps x 110 lb
Dumbbell Bicep Curl
12 reps x 40 lb
12 reps x 40 lb
12 reps x 40 lb
Chest Supportes T-Bar Row
12 reps x 125 lb
12 reps x 125 lb
10 reps x 125 lb
Cable Row
10 reps x 65 lb
10 reps x 80 lb
15 reps x 95 lb
Cable Face Pulls
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 60 lb
Barbell Curl
8 reps x 45 lb
8 reps x 75 lb
8 reps x 75 lb
8 reps x 75 lb
Lat Pulldown
8 reps x 90 lb
10 reps x 150 lb
10 reps x 150 lb
10 reps x 150 lb
Machine Rear Delt Fly
8 reps x 45 lb
8 reps x 90 lb
8 reps x 90 lb
8 reps x 110 lb
8 reps x 110 lb
Dumbbell Bicep Curl
12 reps x 40 lb
12 reps x 40 lb
12 reps x 40 lb
Chest Supportes T-Bar Row
12 reps x 125 lb
12 reps x 125 lb
10 reps x 125 lb
Cable Row
10 reps x 65 lb
10 reps x 80 lb
15 reps x 95 lb
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@ajg223 this is very high volume perfect for bodybuilding, but what macros are you putting down with this?
Workouts from the weekend and a photo after my pump session yesterday.
Romanian Deadlift
11 reps x 205 lb
11 reps x 205 lb
11 reps x 205 lb
11 reps x 205 lb
Back Squat
12 reps x 235 lb
12 reps x 255 lb
12 reps x 255 lb
12 reps x 255 lb
12 reps x 255 lb
Superset • 3 Rounds
Standing Cable Core Twist
15 reps x 25 lb
15 reps x 25 lb
15 reps x 25 lb
Friday
Dumbbell Bench Press
8 reps x 45 lb
15 reps x 60 lb
15 reps x 60 lb
12 reps x 60 lb
Dumbbell Shoulder Press
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
6 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
Superset • 3 Rounds
Cable Rope Tricep Extension
8 reps x 45 lb
10 reps x 65 lb
10 reps x 65 lb
10 reps x 65 lb
Machine Fly
10 reps x 85 lb
12 reps x 85 lb
12 reps x 85 lb
12 reps x 85 lb
Superset • 4 Rounds
Barbell Bench Press
8 reps x 95 lb
9 reps x 155 lb
7 reps x 155 lb
10 reps x 135 lb
10 reps x 135 lb
Cable Lateral Raise
15 reps x 15 lb
15 reps x 15 lb
15 reps x 15 lb
Sunday
Pull Up
10 reps
10 reps
10 reps
10 reps
Superset • 3 Rounds
EZ-Bar Curl
10 reps x 75 lb
10 reps x 85 lb
10 reps x 85 lb
10 reps x 85 lb
Dumbbell Preacher Curls
10 reps x 20 lb
10 reps x 30 lb
10 reps × 30 lb
Superset • 4 Round
Reverse Grip Pull Down
8 reps x 80 lb
10 reps x 140 lb
10 reps x 140 lb
10 reps x 140 lb
Cable Bicep Curl
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
V-Bar Pulldown
8 reps x 80 lb
12 reps x 125 lb
12 reps x 125 lb
12 reps x 138 lb
Romanian Deadlift
11 reps x 205 lb
11 reps x 205 lb
11 reps x 205 lb
11 reps x 205 lb
Back Squat
12 reps x 235 lb
12 reps x 255 lb
12 reps x 255 lb
12 reps x 255 lb
12 reps x 255 lb
Superset • 3 Rounds
Standing Cable Core Twist
15 reps x 25 lb
15 reps x 25 lb
15 reps x 25 lb
Friday
Dumbbell Bench Press
8 reps x 45 lb
15 reps x 60 lb
15 reps x 60 lb
12 reps x 60 lb
Dumbbell Shoulder Press
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
6 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
Superset • 3 Rounds
Cable Rope Tricep Extension
8 reps x 45 lb
10 reps x 65 lb
10 reps x 65 lb
10 reps x 65 lb
Machine Fly
10 reps x 85 lb
12 reps x 85 lb
12 reps x 85 lb
12 reps x 85 lb
Superset • 4 Rounds
Barbell Bench Press
8 reps x 95 lb
9 reps x 155 lb
7 reps x 155 lb
10 reps x 135 lb
10 reps x 135 lb
| Tricep Overhead Extension | |
| with Rope | |
| 12 reps x 45 lb | |
| 12 reps x 45 lb | |
| 12 reps x 45 lb | |
| 12 reps x 45 lb |
Cable Lateral Raise
15 reps x 15 lb
15 reps x 15 lb
15 reps x 15 lb
Sunday
Pull Up
10 reps
10 reps
10 reps
10 reps
Superset • 3 Rounds
EZ-Bar Curl
10 reps x 75 lb
10 reps x 85 lb
10 reps x 85 lb
10 reps x 85 lb
Dumbbell Preacher Curls
10 reps x 20 lb
10 reps x 30 lb
10 reps × 30 lb
Superset • 4 Round
Reverse Grip Pull Down
8 reps x 80 lb
10 reps x 140 lb
10 reps x 140 lb
10 reps x 140 lb
Cable Bicep Curl
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
V-Bar Pulldown
8 reps x 80 lb
12 reps x 125 lb
12 reps x 125 lb
12 reps x 138 lb
@ajg223 big improvement there, you're really going up man
like legit for surebigger, wider chest and shoulders, bigger arms like HUGE arms and pump, legs look good too and you're lean
impressive so far
how deep you into test primo?
Bro, I don't believe in overtraining. I believe in killing it every workout.
Looking really good man. The dumbbell goblet squat in the back. Squat, looks solid.
I like the Rope cable bicep curl, lots of good exercises.
I like the Rope cable bicep curl, lots of good exercises.
T-bar row. I really like 125 lbs. Nice job.
You're not going overboard on the weight, you're keeping control.
You're not going overboard on the weight, you're keeping control.
I try to fail on the last 2 sets if not all
@ajg223 awesome work right here!
Been a busy/challenging week. Only got into the gym two days. Going to reset and hit it hard over the next few weeks. Interesting that I don’t feel the explosion of strength that I did in my first cycle. Granted my test is about 1/2 of that cycle. I do notice a faster change in my appearance though. Happy with how I’ve been leaning out without losing muscle mass. Anyway, thanks for everyone’s continued support. The kind words really help.
Monday
Superset
Cable Pull Through
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
Single Leg Cable Kickback
12 reps x 50 lb
12 reps x 50 lb
12 reps x 50 lb
Hack Squat
12 reps x 270 lb
12 reps x 320 lb
12 reps x 370 lb
12 reps x 370 lb
Circuit • 2 Rounds
Alternating Heel Touch
17reps per side
17 reps
Exercise Ball Pull In
13 reps
13 reps
Leg Raise
12 reps
12 reps
Plank
0:45
0:45
Russian Twist
25lbs x 15 reps per side
Friday
Arnold Dumbbell Press
10 reps x 35 lb
10 reps x 40 lb
10 reps x 40 lb
10 reps x 45 lb
Single Arm Cable Press
10 reps x 45 lb
10 reps x 45 lb
10 reps x 45 lb
10 reps x 45 lb
Barbell Incline Bench Press
8 reps x 95 lb
12 reps x 145 lb
8 reps x 145 lb
9 reps x 145 lb
Close-Grip Bench Press
8 reps x 115 lb
12 reps x 145 lb
12 reps x 145 lb
12 reps x 145 lb
Supset
Standing Dumbbell Shoulder Press
8 reps x 40 lb
8 reps x 40 lb
8 reps x 40 lb
8 reps x 40 lb
Dumbbell Fly
11 reps x 40 lb
10 reps x 40 lb
11 reps x 30 lb
11 reps x 30 lb
Monday
Superset
Cable Pull Through
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
10 reps x 50 lb
Single Leg Cable Kickback
12 reps x 50 lb
12 reps x 50 lb
12 reps x 50 lb
Hack Squat
12 reps x 270 lb
12 reps x 320 lb
12 reps x 370 lb
12 reps x 370 lb
Circuit • 2 Rounds
Alternating Heel Touch
17reps per side
17 reps
Exercise Ball Pull In
13 reps
13 reps
Leg Raise
12 reps
12 reps
Plank
0:45
0:45
Russian Twist
25lbs x 15 reps per side
Friday
Arnold Dumbbell Press
10 reps x 35 lb
10 reps x 40 lb
10 reps x 40 lb
10 reps x 45 lb
Single Arm Cable Press
10 reps x 45 lb
10 reps x 45 lb
10 reps x 45 lb
10 reps x 45 lb
Barbell Incline Bench Press
8 reps x 95 lb
12 reps x 145 lb
8 reps x 145 lb
9 reps x 145 lb
Close-Grip Bench Press
8 reps x 115 lb
12 reps x 145 lb
12 reps x 145 lb
12 reps x 145 lb
Supset
Standing Dumbbell Shoulder Press
8 reps x 40 lb
8 reps x 40 lb
8 reps x 40 lb
8 reps x 40 lb
Dumbbell Fly
11 reps x 40 lb
10 reps x 40 lb
11 reps x 30 lb
11 reps x 30 lb
| Cable One Arm Tricep | |
| Side Extension | |
| 10 reps x 20 lb | |
| 10 reps x 25 l | |
| 10 reps x 27.5 lb | |
| 10 reps x 27.5 lb |
@ajg223 good you're back bro
I was wondering how you doingclose grip is going good but add 1 set of 15 there and 1 set of 6
were you able to get cardio in?
and hows the macro intake ?
partner workout? you mean with your girl? @ajg223
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@ajg223 Im also interested please comment on the above
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10% bodyfat is good very lean, you have pics with this for us?
No it was with another guy. My wife also did the workout but she partnered with a woman to only use one barbell.
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I see, now more clear
@ajg223 your test is high perfect, estrogen is low and overall bloods are good but you didnt test liver alt/ast or kidney creatinine bun and I dont see thyroid panel , should add it
whats your does on test primo ai etc right now for this blood work?
happy new year bro
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do you have a specific concern?
your LH and FSH is crashed because you are obviously on gear
I just was wondering if there is something I should be doing to help the LH and FSH.
Wait til you come off cycle
nothing you can do for LH/FSH on cycle.
means Your pituitary glands are shut down.
means Your pituitary glands are shut down.
bro my lh and fsh been at 0 a long time lol.
i'm doing sports trt with tren like a real man !
i'm doing sports trt with tren like a real man !
You are doing amazing on this log, so far.
But don't forget to get some meal pictures up.
But don't forget to get some meal pictures up.
I will go back to trt after the cycle which is 100 mg of test per week.
I don't care so much about the balls. My days of being fertile are behind me.
TRT is the way bro
Been in the gym or at least doing some cardio every day including Christmas and new years. Haven’t posted but I’m back on track.
Todays lower body workout
Sled Drag
270 lb x 60 ft
270 lb x 60 ft
270 lb x 60 ft
270 lb x 60 ft
Sled Pull
270 lb x 60 ft
270 lb x 60 ft
270 lb x 60 ft
270 lb x 60 ft
Glute Ham Raise
11 reps
11 reps
11 reps
Circuit - 3 Rounds
Torture Twist (Russian twist on a GHD)
10 reps x 15 lb
10 reps x 15 lb
10 reps x 15 lb
Sit Up
22 reps
22 reps
22 reps
Exercise Ball Crunch
28 reps
28 reps
28 reps
Also did a polar plunge yesterday for the first time. Remarkably easy after doing cold plunges regularly.
Todays lower body workout
| Hack Squat | |
| 8 reps x 360 lb | |
| 8 reps x 405 lb | |
| 8 reps x 455 lb | |
| 8 reps x 455 lb | |
| 8 reps x 455 lb |
Sled Drag
270 lb x 60 ft
270 lb x 60 ft
270 lb x 60 ft
270 lb x 60 ft
Sled Pull
270 lb x 60 ft
270 lb x 60 ft
270 lb x 60 ft
270 lb x 60 ft
Glute Ham Raise
11 reps
11 reps
11 reps
Circuit - 3 Rounds
Torture Twist (Russian twist on a GHD)
10 reps x 15 lb
10 reps x 15 lb
10 reps x 15 lb
Sit Up
22 reps
22 reps
22 reps
Exercise Ball Crunch
28 reps
28 reps
28 reps
Also did a polar plunge yesterday for the first time. Remarkably easy after doing cold plunges regularly.
The guys got you
Definitely. He’s also a decade younger and a trainer. I’ll live knowing I work a normal job and have 2 young kids.
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