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ajg223

ajg223

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Planning on starting my cycle in the next week or two. Depending on when my n2Guard comes in and when I receive my bloodwork results. Outlining my plan below so that I have time to make any adjustments based on the experience of the community.

Background

2nd ever cycle. Did a test only cycle at the beginning of the year. First cycle was run at 16 weeks which was too long. Felt bloated and “too big” for my body towards the end. Ran 500 mg of Test C per week. After the cycle I have maintained approximately 8-9 pounds of muscle that I put on and strength measured by lifts I am still able to do is about 90% of the max I reached on cycle. At the conclusion of my cycle I have run TRT at 100 mg per week as my test numbers were at the very low end of normal before the cycle.

I am currently weighing in at 198-200 lbs. my body fat according to inbody is 16.5%. Will upload photos on starting date.

Goals

The goal for this cycle is not to gain as much mass as the first cycle. Concentrating on strength gains and losing fat. Looking to become more defined at the size I am.

Gear

Based on suggestions from a previous thread I created my plan is to run 300 mg of both test c and Primo per week for 10-12 weeks. I also have var on hand if needed.

Diet

For my goals I know that diet will be of the utmost importance. While I am not looking to compete or live a life where I can never indulge, I will be strictly limiting sugar intake for the duration. My macros will be at approximately 2300 calories a day broken down into 190-200 g of protein, 170 g of carbs, and 90 grams of fats.

Supplements

7 n2Guard daily
15 g of fish oil
400 mg dim
500 mg pathothenic acid
1-2 servings of psyllium husk powder
At these levels I don’t plan to take an anti estrogen supplement, but have on hand if needed.

Training

I will be using a bodybuilding program with 5 days of lifting and 2 days of zone 2 cardio a day. Each workout is approximately 60-75 minutes followed by a 20 minute sauna and 3 min cold plunge.

Any advice or adjustments that you guys see? Looking forward to sharing my progress with the community.
 
ajg223 said:
Planning on starting my cycle in the next week or two. Depending on when my n2Guard comes in and when I receive my bloodwork results. Outlining my plan below so that I have time to make any adjustments based on the experience of the community.

Background

2nd ever cycle. Did a test only cycle at the beginning of the year. First cycle was run at 16 weeks which was too long. Felt bloated and “too big” for my body towards the end. Ran 500 mg of Test C per week. After the cycle I have maintained approximately 8-9 pounds of muscle that I put on and strength measured by lifts I am still able to do is about 90% of the max I reached on cycle. At the conclusion of my cycle I have run TRT at 100 mg per week as my test numbers were at the very low end of normal before the cycle.

I am currently weighing in at 198-200 lbs. my body fat according to inbody is 16.5%. Will upload photos on starting date.

Goals

The goal for this cycle is not to gain as much mass as the first cycle. Concentrating on strength gains and losing fat. Looking to become more defined at the size I am.

Gear

Based on suggestions from a previous thread I created my plan is to run 300 mg of both test c and Primo per week for 10-12 weeks. I also have var on hand if needed.

Diet

For my goals I know that diet will be of the utmost importance. While I am not looking to compete or live a life where I can never indulge, I will be strictly limiting sugar intake for the duration. My macros will be at approximately 2300 calories a day broken down into 190-200 g of protein, 170 g of carbs, and 90 grams of fats.

Supplements

7 n2Guard daily
15 g of fish oil
400 mg dim
500 mg pathothenic acid
1-2 servings of psyllium husk powder
At these levels I don’t plan to take an anti estrogen supplement, but have on hand if needed.

Training

I will be using a bodybuilding program with 5 days of lifting and 2 days of zone 2 cardio a day. Each workout is approximately 60-75 minutes followed by a 20 minute sauna and 3 min cold plunge.

Any advice or adjustments that you guys see? Looking forward to sharing my progress with the community.
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@ajg223 awesome to see you back in the EVO family :)

For the situation we do need more share please before adjustments

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

thank you and share more :)
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
@ajg223 awesome to see you back in the EVO family :)

For the situation we do need more share please before adjustments

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

thank you and share more :)
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I will be updating all of that each day as I go. As far as dosing goes, does this seem like a cycle that aligns with my goals?
 
ajg223 said:
I will be updating all of that each day as I go. As far as dosing goes, does this seem like a cycle that aligns with my goals?
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@ajg223 I followed all your logs bro
so honestly test primo and n2guard with like ai is your path and it works for you :)
lets start more updates before you pumping in the gear
 
stevesmi said:
Very nice man I'm glad you're doing this
Here based on what you're saying don't be afraid to drop your testosterone dose much lower even just that 100 mg
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I don’t disagree. I just have always read you should match your primo and test dose. I would not be opposed to leaving the test at 100 and adding primo for 12 weeks. I could always up the test if needed. Is 300 enough on the primo?
 
Today’s log.

Bench Press 4x10 at 155 lbs
Dips 4x10 at 15lbs
T Bar Row 3x10 at 120 lbs
Dumbbell Bicep Curl 4x10 at 40 lbs
Cable Rope Tricep Ext 4x10 at 80 lbs

Meals
Protein shake protein: 62g carbs: 12g fat: 4g

London Broil 6 oz 1 cup of brown rice
Protein: 50g carbs: 32g fat: 8g

London Broil 6 oz 1 cup of brown rice 1 cup steamed broccoli
Protein: 50g carbs: 38g fat: 8g

Greek Yogurt with raw almonds
Protein: 38g carbs: 18g fat: 15g
 
ajg223 said:
I don’t disagree. I just have always read you should match your primo and test dose. I would not be opposed to leaving the test at 100 and adding primo for 12 weeks. I could always up the test if needed. Is 300 enough on the primo?
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I think 200mgs testosterone 200mgs primobolan is a good level for you IMO @ajg223

ajg223 said:
Today’s log.

Bench Press 4x10 at 155 lbs
Dips 4x10 at 15lbs
T Bar Row 3x10 at 120 lbs
Dumbbell Bicep Curl 4x10 at 40 lbs
Cable Rope Tricep Ext 4x10 at 80 lbs

Meals
Protein shake protein: 62g carbs: 12g fat: 4g

London Broil 6 oz 1 cup of brown rice
Protein: 50g carbs: 32g fat: 8g

London Broil 6 oz 1 cup of brown rice 1 cup steamed broccoli
Protein: 50g carbs: 38g fat: 8g

Greek Yogurt with raw almonds
Protein: 38g carbs: 18g fat: 15g
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training is good, want to see cardio in there
meals you need way more fats in the diet, omega 3 fats mainly
avocado
nuts like walnuts
mix it
 
ajg223 said:
Planning on starting my cycle in the next week or two. Depending on when my n2Guard comes in and when I receive my bloodwork results. Outlining my plan below so that I have time to make any adjustments based on the experience of the community.

Background

2nd ever cycle. Did a test only cycle at the beginning of the year. First cycle was run at 16 weeks which was too long. Felt bloated and “too big” for my body towards the end. Ran 500 mg of Test C per week. After the cycle I have maintained approximately 8-9 pounds of muscle that I put on and strength measured by lifts I am still able to do is about 90% of the max I reached on cycle. At the conclusion of my cycle I have run TRT at 100 mg per week as my test numbers were at the very low end of normal before the cycle.

I am currently weighing in at 198-200 lbs. my body fat according to inbody is 16.5%. Will upload photos on starting date.

Goals

The goal for this cycle is not to gain as much mass as the first cycle. Concentrating on strength gains and losing fat. Looking to become more defined at the size I am.

Gear

Based on suggestions from a previous thread I created my plan is to run 300 mg of both test c and Primo per week for 10-12 weeks. I also have var on hand if needed.

Diet

For my goals I know that diet will be of the utmost importance. While I am not looking to compete or live a life where I can never indulge, I will be strictly limiting sugar intake for the duration. My macros will be at approximately 2300 calories a day broken down into 190-200 g of protein, 170 g of carbs, and 90 grams of fats.

Supplements

7 n2Guard daily
15 g of fish oil
400 mg dim
500 mg pathothenic acid
1-2 servings of psyllium husk powder
At these levels I don’t plan to take an anti estrogen supplement, but have on hand if needed.

Training

I will be using a bodybuilding program with 5 days of lifting and 2 days of zone 2 cardio a day. Each workout is approximately 60-75 minutes followed by a 20 minute sauna and 3 min cold plunge.

Any advice or adjustments that you guys see? Looking forward to sharing my progress with the community.
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I see no mention of an AI before and or now
 
Mobster said:
I see no mention of an AI before and or now
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I have AI on hand. Was talking 7.5 mg every 3 days when I was on 500 mg of test. Do you think I should be taking one proactively on 100-300 mg a week?
 
there is no rule when it comes to steroid ratios
you do what's best for yourself
 
I like to keep my testosterone lower than Primo
this allows the Primo to do most of the work
 
So based on what I’m seeing and feeling I am going to start off with keeping my testosterone at 100 mg a week and running primo at 300 a week. Will pin twice a week to maintain consistent levels. Still a week or two out from starting but will update daily with meals and workouts and starting photos.
 
sometimes it makes more sense to do things and be flexible
you can always adjust the dosing as you go
 
if you run too much testosterone then you will need the AI
but if you keep the testosterone low then you won't
 
make more sense to keep test low
this way you don't have to worry about water retention
 
I really like your whole setup. Diet sounds good but would love to see some specific meals you plan on eating. The cycle looks good for your goals as well. No need to run a lot of compounds or high doses. At your test dose I agree with having the AI on hand. You may or may not need it.
 
Hey brother

Coach here, don’t mind me picking apart your plan.

Goal is to gain strength and lose fat
- diet is crucial here and should focus on a carb cycling plan to somewhat improve strength numbers, appear fuller and lose fat at the same time. I feel the current macros will flatten you out and leave you with little energy. You can fire that metabolic rate up and turn into a fat burning machine. No sugar is great for overall health, but can be utilised effectively while dieting to your advantage.

We don’t need a lot of fat, omega 3 DHA and EFAs are primarily the priority which you don’t need a lot of and will find that you will be hungry and potentially have some leptin and grehlin issues if you don’t swap the macros to more carb rich.
- cycle seems OK, Primo is good when your lean and are advanced in your journey. I recommend masteron instead as it will utilise more testosterone and won’t crash E2, it will stop e2 from binding to our e2 beta receptors and allowing aromatisation but won’t blunt your e2 production so you will still get benefit of e2 while getting leaner and stronger, as masteron is androgenic in nature.

No need for AIs.

Cardio should be higher, start 15-20 mins 3-4 times a week. elliptical is best IMO due to how little impact it has on joints. And can burn a good amount of cals in a short time. This in turn will turn up your metabolism and allow better insulin sensitivity, priming your body for more carbs for fuel, carbs fuel everything. Allows better t4 - t3 conversion, protien sparing and increases satiety. Thermic effect from carbs will also allow greater fat loss with NEAT increase. Your gut will also work more effectively as the nature of carbs boosts our mood. Which will eventuate in a rest and digest state for better digestion. L
 
Todays meal plan

Breakfast:
Protein shake
Spore pre/probiotic
Psyllium husk

Lunch:
Grilled pork chop
Brown rice cooked in chicken stock
Steamed broccoli

Dinner:
Grilled steak with rice noodles and mixed veggies

Snacks:
Quest Bar
1 serving of walnuts
Greek yogurt

Total macros:
Protein - 190g
Carbs - 150g
Fats - 75g
 
AE1079 said:
Hey brother

Coach here, don’t mind me picking apart your plan.

Goal is to gain strength and lose fat
- diet is crucial here and should focus on a carb cycling plan to somewhat improve strength numbers, appear fuller and lose fat at the same time. I feel the current macros will flatten you out and leave you with little energy. You can fire that metabolic rate up and turn into a fat burning machine. No sugar is great for overall health, but can be utilised effectively while dieting to your advantage.

We don’t need a lot of fat, omega 3 DHA and EFAs are primarily the priority which you don’t need a lot of and will find that you will be hungry and potentially have some leptin and grehlin issues if you don’t swap the macros to more carb rich.
- cycle seems OK, Primo is good when your lean and are advanced in your journey. I recommend masteron instead as it will utilise more testosterone and won’t crash E2, it will stop e2 from binding to our e2 beta receptors and allowing aromatisation but won’t blunt your e2 production so you will still get benefit of e2 while getting leaner and stronger, as masteron is androgenic in nature.

No need for AIs.

Cardio should be higher, start 15-20 mins 3-4 times a week. elliptical is best IMO due to how little impact it has on joints. And can burn a good amount of cals in a short time. This in turn will turn up your metabolism and allow better insulin sensitivity, priming your body for more carbs for fuel, carbs fuel everything. Allows better t4 - t3 conversion, protien sparing and increases satiety. Thermic effect from carbs will also allow greater fat loss with NEAT increase. Your gut will also work more effectively as the nature of carbs boosts our mood. Which will eventuate in a rest and digest state for better digestion. L
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No offense taken. Appreciate you taking the time to help me.

Ok this makes me rethink things. If I decide to go the masteron route instead of primo, what would be a good starting dose? Am I keeping the test at 100mg a week?

As for diet, obviously boosting carbs means finding healthy carb sources. What percentage of my total calories would you suggest I designate to carbs?
 
ajg223 said:
No offense taken. Appreciate you taking the time to help me.

Ok this makes me rethink things. If I decide to go the masteron route instead of primo, what would be a good starting dose? Am I keeping the test at 100mg a week?

As for diet, obviously boosting carbs means finding healthy carb sources. What percentage of my total calories would you suggest I designate to carbs?
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I’m glad bro, I’m very objective when it comes to these things.

If you have 300mg test, do 300mg mast 1:1 ratio as the dose is low.

Without getting into too much, I normally put my clients on 1.5g carbs per Lb to start off with and start to increase as we go while keeping calories in 5% deficit so you eat more carbs and still lose weight, and that’s just one avenue through the law of thermodynamics.

Other avenues like refeeds, thermic effects, higher NEAT will add more effect to losing body fat whilst getting fuller, leaner and stronger.

Being such low calorie early on will leave you very little room to move down the line, we want to start at a highest point possible with the most food and use the tools we have like, cardio, training, sleep, PEDs and of course diet. Scaling these as we go and adjusting them to optimum levels so each week your making progress while eating more.

Hope this helps somewhat.
 
Makes perfect sense. Thank you so much. Last question. I had never really considered mast because I have always been around the 15-17% body fat and not the 10% number I’ve read you need to be for it to be effective. You think it will be beneficial if I’m starting at this at the body fat level shown in the attached photo?

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ajg223 said:
Todays meal plan

Breakfast:
Protein shake
Spore pre/probiotic
Psyllium husk

Lunch:
Grilled pork chop
Brown rice cooked in chicken stock
Steamed broccoli

Dinner:
Grilled steak with rice noodles and mixed veggies

Snacks:
Quest Bar
1 serving of walnuts
Greek yogurt

Total macros:
Protein - 190g
Carbs - 150g
Fats - 75g
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@ajg223 great meal plan today , would up the protein a bit think 220 grams

ajg223 said:
No offense taken. Appreciate you taking the time to help me.

Ok this makes me rethink things. If I decide to go the masteron route instead of primo, what would be a good starting dose? Am I keeping the test at 100mg a week?

As for diet, obviously boosting carbs means finding healthy carb sources. What percentage of my total calories would you suggest I designate to carbs?
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I like your diet right now and I think changing to masteron is not a good idea.

I would stay with primobolan and testosterone, and if you want to follow up with @AE1079 I would add some masteron 100mgs/week but not more, the 1:1 ratio is overplayed a bit.

ajg223 said:
Makes perfect sense. Thank you so much. Last question. I had never really considered mast because I have always been around the 15-17% body fat and not the 10% number I’ve read you need to be for it to be effective. You think it will be beneficial if I’m starting at this at the body fat level shown in the attached photo?

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You're lean and you look great bro :D I would stick to primobolan and lower carbs higher protein here, wouldnt push in masteron beyond 100mgs and you should have ai if you are going over on the T.
 
I feel the 1:1 ratio is a starting point, see how the body reacts and can scale accordingly. Having the 1:1 ratio is about setting the start point, not so much a strategy to transform the physique.

Primo isn’t necessarily an anabolic I’ll put in the cycle, it’s good for blokes with more tissue that reach a certain point of their journey in an advanced sense. Great slow builder, needs higher dosing. Masteron makes more sense as it will add that strength he’s looking for and synergistic with test to allow more test to be utilised without converting into e2. Primo can ramp down e2 and you lose the benefits of having a mild e2 to help bodily functions. His goal is too add strength, get leaner.

What i will add is that you ensure HDL and LDL are looked after.

AIs isn’t necessary @LevButlerov, you can kill two birds with 1 stone, save money and look better. AIs kill lipids, cholesterol and don’t give the benefits of e2 in males that we need for both muscle building and fat loss.
LevButlerov said:
@ajg223 great meal plan today , would up the protein a bit think 220 grams


I like your diet right now and I think changing to masteron is not a good idea.

I would stay with primobolan and testosterone, and if you want to follow up with @AE1079 I would add some masteron 100mgs/week but not more, the 1:1 ratio is overplayed a bit.


You're lean and you look great bro :D I would stick to primobolan and lower carbs higher protein here, wouldnt push in masteron beyond 100mgs and you should have ai if you are going over on the T.
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AE1079 said:
I’m glad bro, I’m very objective when it comes to these things.

If you have 300mg test, do 300mg mast 1:1 ratio as the dose is low.

Without getting into too much, I normally put my clients on 1.5g carbs per Lb to start off with and start to increase as we go while keeping calories in 5% deficit so you eat more carbs and still lose weight, and that’s just one avenue through the law of thermodynamics.

Other avenues like refeeds, thermic effects, higher NEAT will add more effect to losing body fat whilst getting fuller, leaner and stronger.

Being such low calorie early on will leave you very little room to move down the line, we want to start at a highest point possible with the most food and use the tools we have like, cardio, training, sleep, PEDs and of course diet. Scaling these as we go and adjusting them to optimum levels so each week your making progress while eating more.

Hope this helps somewhat.
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Nicely thought out
 
the meals look terrific
 
you won't go wrong with these great protein choices
 
I'm glad you're open to other people's suggestions
 
you won't go wrong with brown rice and sweet potato as great carbs
 
i wouldn't use masteron at your body fat. but anavar and primo are A+
 
Good start here. Keep updates comin
 
stick with the Primo it works good because it doesn't mess with your appetite
 
might want to do more time restricted eating and fasting
 
Primo does affect estrogen a little bit as other DHT's because they compete for receptors
 
ajg223 said:
Planning on starting my cycle in the next week or two. Depending on when my n2Guard comes in and when I receive my bloodwork results. Outlining my plan below so that I have time to make any adjustments based on the experience of the community.

Background

2nd ever cycle. Did a test only cycle at the beginning of the year. First cycle was run at 16 weeks which was too long. Felt bloated and “too big” for my body towards the end. Ran 500 mg of Test C per week. After the cycle I have maintained approximately 8-9 pounds of muscle that I put on and strength measured by lifts I am still able to do is about 90% of the max I reached on cycle. At the conclusion of my cycle I have run TRT at 100 mg per week as my test numbers were at the very low end of normal before the cycle.

I am currently weighing in at 198-200 lbs. my body fat according to inbody is 16.5%. Will upload photos on starting date.

Goals

The goal for this cycle is not to gain as much mass as the first cycle. Concentrating on strength gains and losing fat. Looking to become more defined at the size I am.

Gear

Based on suggestions from a previous thread I created my plan is to run 300 mg of both test c and Primo per week for 10-12 weeks. I also have var on hand if needed.

Diet

For my goals I know that diet will be of the utmost importance. While I am not looking to compete or live a life where I can never indulge, I will be strictly limiting sugar intake for the duration. My macros will be at approximately 2300 calories a day broken down into 190-200 g of protein, 170 g of carbs, and 90 grams of fats.

Supplements

7 n2Guard daily
15 g of fish oil
400 mg dim
500 mg pathothenic acid
1-2 servings of psyllium husk powder
At these levels I don’t plan to take an anti estrogen supplement, but have on hand if needed.

Training

I will be using a bodybuilding program with 5 days of lifting and 2 days of zone 2 cardio a day. Each workout is approximately 60-75 minutes followed by a 20 minute sauna and 3 min cold plunge.

Any advice or adjustments that you guys see? Looking forward to sharing my progress with the community.
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@ajg223 Welcome to the family looking forward to following your log!
 
I like to run test and primo in a 1:1 ratio or my primo a little higher, currently I've been running 300 test & 300 primo I've seen great results
 
do you guys understand what primo does at the cellular level and what mast does? Ita completely contradictory to his goals and what he wants.. if someone can argue valid points of why primo over mast In this setting I would like to hear ?
 
ajg223 said:
Planning on starting my cycle in the next week or two. Depending on when my n2Guard comes in and when I receive my bloodwork results. Outlining my plan below so that I have time to make any adjustments based on the experience of the community.

Background

2nd ever cycle. Did a test only cycle at the beginning of the year. First cycle was run at 16 weeks which was too long. Felt bloated and “too big” for my body towards the end. Ran 500 mg of Test C per week. After the cycle I have maintained approximately 8-9 pounds of muscle that I put on and strength measured by lifts I am still able to do is about 90% of the max I reached on cycle. At the conclusion of my cycle I have run TRT at 100 mg per week as my test numbers were at the very low end of normal before the cycle.

I am currently weighing in at 198-200 lbs. my body fat according to inbody is 16.5%. Will upload photos on starting date.

Goals

The goal for this cycle is not to gain as much mass as the first cycle. Concentrating on strength gains and losing fat. Looking to become more defined at the size I am.

Gear

Based on suggestions from a previous thread I created my plan is to run 300 mg of both test c and Primo per week for 10-12 weeks. I also have var on hand if needed.

Diet

For my goals I know that diet will be of the utmost importance. While I am not looking to compete or live a life where I can never indulge, I will be strictly limiting sugar intake for the duration. My macros will be at approximately 2300 calories a day broken down into 190-200 g of protein, 170 g of carbs, and 90 grams of fats.

Supplements

7 n2Guard daily
15 g of fish oil
400 mg dim
500 mg pathothenic acid
1-2 servings of psyllium husk powder
At these levels I don’t plan to take an anti estrogen supplement, but have on hand if needed.

Training

I will be using a bodybuilding program with 5 days of lifting and 2 days of zone 2 cardio a day. Each workout is approximately 60-75 minutes followed by a 20 minute sauna and 3 min cold plunge.

Any advice or adjustments that you guys see? Looking forward to sharing my progress with the community.
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@ajg223 good detailed start........
 
AE1079 said:
do you guys understand what primo does at the cellular level and what mast does? Ita completely contradictory to his goals and what he wants.. if someone can argue valid points of why primo over mast In this setting I would like to hear ?
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I'm all for hearing the education on this and gaining knowledge it's how we evolve and advance.
 
Eddie Haskell said:
until I see your log being update I'm not arguing with you man :) lol @AE1079 get your training up and posted please
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...terone-masteron-primobolan-hgh-insulin.98387/
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Hahahahahahahah nothing to update. I don’t need to update anything. Feel free to provide a valid argument as to why primo is more beneficial then mast in his case, can you tell me the difference between the two drugs in the body and what it does to e2? Do you know how many different estrogens are in the body?

I’m sorry but giving a response like primo is better then mast with no understanding of how it works is not the best advice? People are putting things in their body that messes with hormones, you think that’s a good justification of using primo over mast?

Or should I update a log that’s no longer valid for you to explain to the OP why he should use primo in detail.. not good advice
 
AE1079 said:
Hahahahahahahah nothing to update. I don’t need to update anything. Feel free to provide a valid argument as to why primo is more beneficial then mast in his case, can you tell me the difference between the two drugs in the body and what it does to e2? Do you know how many different estrogens are in the body?

I’m sorry but giving a response like primo is better then mast with no understanding of how it works is not the best advice? People are putting things in their body that messes with hormones, you think that’s a good justification of using primo over mast?

Or should I update a log that’s no longer valid for you to explain to the OP why he should use primo in detail.. not good advice
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@AE1079 you're an amazing bodybuilder and the EVO family especially AU brothers look up to you and your style man :)

so updating your log is nothing bad, its training that show the other brothers how you doing and how to learn from your success, will get you more clients and more EVO family love
and you have it going anyhow already so just 1 reply away :)
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...terone-masteron-primobolan-hgh-insulin.98387/
 
Eddie Haskell said:
@AE1079 you're an amazing bodybuilder and the EVO family especially AU brothers look up to you and your style man :)

so updating your log is nothing bad, its training that show the other brothers how you doing and how to learn from your success, will get you more clients and more EVO family love
and you have it going anyhow already so just 1 reply away :)
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...terone-masteron-primobolan-hgh-insulin.98387/
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Professionally said sir.. professionally said
 
ajg223 said:
Todays meal plan

Breakfast:
Protein shake
Spore pre/probiotic
Psyllium husk

Lunch:
Grilled pork chop
Brown rice cooked in chicken stock
Steamed broccoli

Dinner:
Grilled steak with rice noodles and mixed veggies

Snacks:
Quest Bar
1 serving of walnuts
Greek yogurt

Total macros:
Protein - 190g
Carbs - 150g
Fats - 75g
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@ajg223 Very solid meal plan right here!
 
After some thought, I am going to push my cycle off for a few months. I am worried about the e2 crash with the primo and feel like I need to be at a lower body fat percentage for the mast. I am going to work on incorporating more cardio and HIIT training in an effort to lower body fat. Hoping in 2-3 months that my fat ass will be in a better spot to get the most out of the cycle.
 
ajg223 said:
After some thought, I am going to push my cycle off for a few months. I am worried about the e2 crash with the primo and feel like I need to be at a lower body fat percentage for the mast. I am going to work on incorporating more cardio and HIIT training in an effort to lower body fat. Hoping in 2-3 months that my fat ass will be in a better spot to get the most out of the cycle.
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Thats not the right path @ajg223 , you will NOT have an E2 crash with primobolan and you dont need lower bodyfat for masteron
you're getting caught up in the discussion too much
imo I would do the cycle asap and not stop
 
So I just had my blood work done in preparation to start this cycle but my HDL came back at 33 when it says it should be above 40. I am not sure why it’s so low. I eat well and exercise.

I assume that this should have me hit the brakes on any plans for a cycle?
 
ajg223 said:
So I just had my blood work done in preparation to start this cycle but my HDL came back at 33 when it says it should be above 40. I am not sure why it’s so low. I eat well and exercise.

I assume that this should have me hit the brakes on any plans for a cycle?
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What were your prior HDL levels? But I've no idea to be honest.

Common HDL drop in non AAS users can be hypertension and blood sugar levels being high. Dieretics too apparently.

Someone will know more.
 
ajg223 said:
So I just had my blood work done in preparation to start this cycle but my HDL came back at 33 when it says it should be above 40. I am not sure why it’s so low. I eat well and exercise.

I assume that this should have me hit the brakes on any plans for a cycle?
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I would not worry about cholesterol too much man :) its not a real factor for healthy guys like us
@ajg223 you have the tests? can you share please just blur personal info
 
Here is the lipid, metabolic, and hepatic numbers.

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My doctor doesn’t seem too concerned either. I sent them to her and she told me to take more fish oil and eat more nuts.
 
ajg223 said:
My doctor doesn’t seem too concerned either. I sent them to her and she told me to take more fish oil and eat more nuts.
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see same as what we say, fish oil and healthy omega 3 nuts walnuts so nothing to worry about lets cycle on man :) @ajg223

can you update some training?
 
So the plan is a 10-12 week cycle of 100 a week of test and 300 primo pinned 2x a week.

Everything from my original post will remain as far as diet (plus more omega 3’s), training, and cycle support.

Supplements
7 n2Guard daily
15 g of fish oil
400 mg dim
Spore Pro/prebiotic
1-2 servings of psyllium husk powder

Will update my training daily and will post before photos and stats this weekend. Planning on starting Monday.

Anything I’m missing before getting started?
 
ajg223 said:
So the plan is a 10-12 week cycle of 100 a week of test and 300 primo pinned 2x a week.

Everything from my original post will remain as far as diet (plus more omega 3’s), training, and cycle support.

Supplements
7 n2Guard daily
15 g of fish oil
400 mg dim
Spore Pro/prebiotic
1-2 servings of psyllium husk powder

Will update my training daily and will post before photos and stats this weekend. Planning on starting Monday.

Anything I’m missing before getting started?
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What your E2?

Primo can crash E2, even at 1:1, running this higher then test will certainly do that.

Why is your test at 100mg and primo at 300mg?
Bloods are fine. Nothing to stress about. Will be worth having an infrared sauna to get some toxins and metals out.
 
Estrogen is at 116 with total testosterone just over 600 on trt at 100mg a week.
 
So add more test? Any advice?
 
ajg223 said:
So the plan is a 10-12 week cycle of 100 a week of test and 300 primo pinned 2x a week.

Everything from my original post will remain as far as diet (plus more omega 3’s), training, and cycle support.

Supplements
7 n2Guard daily
15 g of fish oil
400 mg dim
Spore Pro/prebiotic
1-2 servings of psyllium husk powder

Will update my training daily and will post before photos and stats this weekend. Planning on starting Monday.

Anything I’m missing before getting started?
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@ajg223 this is a good cycle but bump the testosterone to 200mgs of testosterone and cut the primo to 200mgs to level it out more.
You can increase primo more if you need.
the supp pick is perfect n2guard with fish oil is perfect
but DIM is an Anti E, so careful with the use

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So add more test? Any advice?
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For sure add test.
 
Eddie Haskell said:
@ajg223 this is a good cycle but bump the testosterone to 200mgs of testosterone and cut the primo to 200mgs to level it out more.
You can increase primo more if you need.
the supp pick is perfect n2guard with fish oil is perfect
but DIM is an Anti E, so careful with the use


For sure add test.
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I think that sounds like a good plan. I will also cut out the DIM while on the primo.

Question about my estrogen level. On my test results it’s clearly in the green, and the doctor didn’t mention it. I am looking online at ideal estrogen levels and they seem to be less than half of mine. I had worked with the doctor to find a trt dose that would leave me in the 600-700 range of test levels.

Am I missing something on the estrogen number? Is my test measuring it differently than the ranges I’m reading about? It says anything under 440 is ok which seems bizarre.

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ajg223 said:
I think that sounds like a good plan. I will also cut out the DIM while on the primo.

Question about my estrogen level. On my test results it’s clearly in the green, and the doctor didn’t mention it. I am looking online at ideal estrogen levels and they seem to be less than half of mine. I had worked with the doctor to find a trt dose that would leave me in the 600-700 range of test levels.

Am I missing something on the estrogen number? Is my test measuring it differently than the ranges I’m reading about? It says anything under 440 is ok which seems bizarre.

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@ajg223 I missed this blood work in earliers posts, you posted this range?
with these E2 numbers, your test should be higher than primo
lets try 300mgs testosterone with 150mgs primobolan to start, you ok with this?
 
I am ok with that. Can you explain the reasoning behind it though?

Also, I have decided I am going to sign up for the subscription blood test service. I want to make it as cost effective as I can without missing anything important. What would you suggest I have tested?
 
Looking at he’s E2 on 100mg of test, he will not benefit from 300mg of test with 150mg primo in terms of T:E2 ratio. It’s going to fly up I guarantee.

100mg Test 200mg Primo
200mg primo should bring it down to normal ranges. He can Titrate up when he gets bloods next if E2 is lowered, it’s a good base to allow the user to adjust his levels safely. 300 test and 150 primo will not be the best looking at his bloods.

You can also jab your gear ED to prevent spikes of E2 corresponding with High Androgen Bolus.
 
ajg223 said:
I am ok with that. Can you explain the reasoning behind it though?

Also, I have decided I am going to sign up for the subscription blood test service. I want to make it as cost effective as I can without missing anything important. What would you suggest I have tested?
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@ajg223 i was assuming 116 is your estrogen level is that correct? thats very low
 
AE1079 said:
Looking at he’s E2 on 100mg of test, he will not benefit from 300mg of test with 150mg primo in terms of T:E2 ratio. It’s going to fly up I guarantee.

100mg Test 200mg Primo
200mg primo should bring it down to normal ranges. He can Titrate up when he gets bloods next if E2 is lowered, it’s a good base to allow the user to adjust his levels safely. 300 test and 150 primo will not be the best looking at his bloods.

You can also jab your gear ED to prevent spikes of E2 corresponding with High Androgen Bolus.
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for sure estrogen will go up but lets see if he's actually at 116 now @AE1079
 
Primobolans metabolites have AI properties more so then having SERM mechanisms let’s say like Masteron, sorry to correct you here but there is a fair bit of evidence of primo acting as AI through downstream metabolism.
 
AE1079 said:
Primobolans metabolites have AI properties more so then having SERM mechanisms let’s say like Masteron, sorry to correct you here but there is a fair bit of evidence of primo acting as AI through downstream metabolism.
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its possible but i have yet to see a study on this @AE1079 and from anecdotal experience I've seen more bloods to show primobolan levels out e2 not crush it
with masteron a bit different
on the hardening feels more like tamoxifen harden as a serm
but im open man :) always can change my mind not married to anyidea
 
Eddie Haskell said:
its possible but i have yet to see a study on this @AE1079 and from anecdotal experience I've seen more bloods to show primobolan levels out e2 not crush it
with masteron a bit different
on the hardening feels more like tamoxifen harden as a serm
but im open man :) always can change my mind not married to anyidea
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Agree it won’t crush E2 at lower doses, but it will once you start running high with lower test, EQ does the same thing.

It’s an open discussion for sure, as they have just discovered 23 new metabolites and 1 of them having strong AI properties depending on dosage of course.

The discussion is always open and forever changing haha
 
The logic behind leaving test at 100 and adding 200 mg of primo makes sense. I will plan on getting bloods four weeks after I start.

What panel should I get? Just one that includes test levels, estrogen and estradiol? I will also add a lipid profile as I want to keep an eye on that hdl number. Do I really need the $250 level panel. Seems like a lot of extra stuff. I’m no expert though. Clearly.
 
Eddie Haskell said:
@ajg223 i was assuming 116 is your estrogen level is that correct? thats very low
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Yes. That is what my estrogen level was. A quick google search shows that ideal estrogen is like 30-60. Is this a different measurement than what my blood test was measuring?
 
ajg223 said:
NY but only 10 miles from CT border so can go there for bloods.
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Uh, Ty not sure about blood options in the US.

But Testosterone, cal free test, shbg, E2, HDL, LDL at the least for monthly bloods and a larger panel could be done more infrequently. Anyone else?

If you check my Log, there is a heap of info there but for monthly monitoring I dint feel its all needed. Mine cost $50 for 3 test. I buy 6 test at a time, with my PHP ordering larger test once a year.
 
at the end of the day you can get blood work done
the blood work will tell you the truth about what's going on with estrogen
 
oh I think you're confused on the blood work
the conversions and the metrics are different is why
 
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