Approved Log Test and Primo Cycle Log

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I really like your whole setup. Diet sounds good but would love to see some specific meals you plan on eating. The cycle looks good for your goals as well. No need to run a lot of compounds or high doses. At your test dose I agree with having the AI on hand. You may or may not need it.

 

[ballin2504]

Great log brother

 

[AE1079]

Hey brother

Coach here, don’t mind me picking apart your plan.

Goal is to gain strength and lose fat
- diet is crucial here and should focus on a carb cycling plan to somewhat improve strength numbers, appear fuller and lose fat at the same time. I feel the current macros will flatten you out and leave you with little energy. You can fire that metabolic rate up and turn into a fat burning machine. No sugar is great for overall health, but can be utilised effectively while dieting to your advantage.

We don’t need a lot of fat, omega 3 DHA and EFAs are primarily the priority which you don’t need a lot of and will find that you will be hungry and potentially have some leptin and grehlin issues if you don’t swap the macros to more carb rich.
- cycle seems OK, Primo is good when your lean and are advanced in your journey. I recommend masteron instead as it will utilise more testosterone and won’t crash E2, it will stop e2 from binding to our e2 beta receptors and allowing aromatisation but won’t blunt your e2 production so you will still get benefit of e2 while getting leaner and stronger, as masteron is androgenic in nature.

No need for AIs.

Cardio should be higher, start 15-20 mins 3-4 times a week. elliptical is best IMO due to how little impact it has on joints. And can burn a good amount of cals in a short time. This in turn will turn up your metabolism and allow better insulin sensitivity, priming your body for more carbs for fuel, carbs fuel everything. Allows better t4 - t3 conversion, protien sparing and increases satiety. Thermic effect from carbs will also allow greater fat loss with NEAT increase. Your gut will also work more effectively as the nature of carbs boosts our mood. Which will eventuate in a rest and digest state for better digestion. L

 

[ajg223]

Todays meal plan

Breakfast:
Protein shake
Spore pre/probiotic
Psyllium husk

Lunch:
Grilled pork chop
Brown rice cooked in chicken stock
Steamed broccoli

Dinner:
Grilled steak with rice noodles and mixed veggies

Snacks:
Quest Bar
1 serving of walnuts
Greek yogurt

Total macros:
Protein - 190g
Carbs - 150g
Fats - 75g

 

[ajg223]

Hey brother

Coach here, don’t mind me picking apart your plan.

Goal is to gain strength and lose fat
- diet is crucial here and should focus on a carb cycling plan to somewhat improve strength numbers, appear fuller and lose fat at the same time. I feel the current macros will flatten you out and leave you with little energy. You can fire that metabolic rate up and turn into a fat burning machine. No sugar is great for overall health, but can be utilised effectively while dieting to your advantage.

We don’t need a lot of fat, omega 3 DHA and EFAs are primarily the priority which you don’t need a lot of and will find that you will be hungry and potentially have some leptin and grehlin issues if you don’t swap the macros to more carb rich.
- cycle seems OK, Primo is good when your lean and are advanced in your journey. I recommend masteron instead as it will utilise more testosterone and won’t crash E2, it will stop e2 from binding to our e2 beta receptors and allowing aromatisation but won’t blunt your e2 production so you will still get benefit of e2 while getting leaner and stronger, as masteron is androgenic in nature.

No need for AIs.

Cardio should be higher, start 15-20 mins 3-4 times a week. elliptical is best IMO due to how little impact it has on joints. And can burn a good amount of cals in a short time. This in turn will turn up your metabolism and allow better insulin sensitivity, priming your body for more carbs for fuel, carbs fuel everything. Allows better t4 - t3 conversion, protien sparing and increases satiety. Thermic effect from carbs will also allow greater fat loss with NEAT increase. Your gut will also work more effectively as the nature of carbs boosts our mood. Which will eventuate in a rest and digest state for better digestion. L

No offense taken. Appreciate you taking the time to help me.

Ok this makes me rethink things. If I decide to go the masteron route instead of primo, what would be a good starting dose? Am I keeping the test at 100mg a week?

As for diet, obviously boosting carbs means finding healthy carb sources. What percentage of my total calories would you suggest I designate to carbs?

 

[AE1079]

No offense taken. Appreciate you taking the time to help me.

Ok this makes me rethink things. If I decide to go the masteron route instead of primo, what would be a good starting dose? Am I keeping the test at 100mg a week?

As for diet, obviously boosting carbs means finding healthy carb sources. What percentage of my total calories would you suggest I designate to carbs?

I’m glad bro, I’m very objective when it comes to these things.

If you have 300mg test, do 300mg mast 1:1 ratio as the dose is low.

Without getting into too much, I normally put my clients on 1.5g carbs per Lb to start off with and start to increase as we go while keeping calories in 5% deficit so you eat more carbs and still lose weight, and that’s just one avenue through the law of thermodynamics.

Other avenues like refeeds, thermic effects, higher NEAT will add more effect to losing body fat whilst getting fuller, leaner and stronger.

Being such low calorie early on will leave you very little room to move down the line, we want to start at a highest point possible with the most food and use the tools we have like, cardio, training, sleep, PEDs and of course diet. Scaling these as we go and adjusting them to optimum levels so each week your making progress while eating more.

Hope this helps somewhat.

 

[ajg223]

Makes perfect sense. Thank you so much. Last question. I had never really considered mast because I have always been around the 15-17% body fat and not the 10% number I’ve read you need to be for it to be effective. You think it will be beneficial if I’m starting at this at the body fat level shown in the attached photo?

 

[LevButlerov]

Todays meal plan

Breakfast:
Protein shake
Spore pre/probiotic
Psyllium husk

Lunch:
Grilled pork chop
Brown rice cooked in chicken stock
Steamed broccoli

Dinner:
Grilled steak with rice noodles and mixed veggies

Snacks:
Quest Bar
1 serving of walnuts
Greek yogurt

Total macros:
Protein - 190g
Carbs - 150g
Fats - 75g

@ajg223 great meal plan today , would up the protein a bit think 220 grams

No offense taken. Appreciate you taking the time to help me.

Ok this makes me rethink things. If I decide to go the masteron route instead of primo, what would be a good starting dose? Am I keeping the test at 100mg a week?

As for diet, obviously boosting carbs means finding healthy carb sources. What percentage of my total calories would you suggest I designate to carbs?

I like your diet right now and I think changing to masteron is not a good idea.

I would stay with primobolan and testosterone, and if you want to follow up with @AE1079 I would add some masteron 100mgs/week but not more, the 1:1 ratio is overplayed a bit.

Makes perfect sense. Thank you so much. Last question. I had never really considered mast because I have always been around the 15-17% body fat and not the 10% number I’ve read you need to be for it to be effective. You think it will be beneficial if I’m starting at this at the body fat level shown in the attached photo?

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You're lean and you look great bro I would stick to primobolan and lower carbs higher protein here, wouldnt push in masteron beyond 100mgs and you should have ai if you are going over on the T.

 

[AE1079]

I feel the 1:1 ratio is a starting point, see how the body reacts and can scale accordingly. Having the 1:1 ratio is about setting the start point, not so much a strategy to transform the physique.

Primo isn’t necessarily an anabolic I’ll put in the cycle, it’s good for blokes with more tissue that reach a certain point of their journey in an advanced sense. Great slow builder, needs higher dosing. Masteron makes more sense as it will add that strength he’s looking for and synergistic with test to allow more test to be utilised without converting into e2. Primo can ramp down e2 and you lose the benefits of having a mild e2 to help bodily functions. His goal is too add strength, get leaner.

What i will add is that you ensure HDL and LDL are looked after.

AIs isn’t necessary @LevButlerov, you can kill two birds with 1 stone, save money and look better. AIs kill lipids, cholesterol and don’t give the benefits of e2 in males that we need for both muscle building and fat loss.

@ajg223 great meal plan today , would up the protein a bit think 220 grams


I like your diet right now and I think changing to masteron is not a good idea.

I would stay with primobolan and testosterone, and if you want to follow up with @AE1079 I would add some masteron 100mgs/week but not more, the 1:1 ratio is overplayed a bit.


You're lean and you look great bro I would stick to primobolan and lower carbs higher protein here, wouldnt push in masteron beyond 100mgs and you should have ai if you are going over on the T.

 

[stevesmi]

Food seems like it's really good and on point keep it up

 

[Mobster]

I’m glad bro, I’m very objective when it comes to these things.

If you have 300mg test, do 300mg mast 1:1 ratio as the dose is low.

Without getting into too much, I normally put my clients on 1.5g carbs per Lb to start off with and start to increase as we go while keeping calories in 5% deficit so you eat more carbs and still lose weight, and that’s just one avenue through the law of thermodynamics.

Other avenues like refeeds, thermic effects, higher NEAT will add more effect to losing body fat whilst getting fuller, leaner and stronger.

Being such low calorie early on will leave you very little room to move down the line, we want to start at a highest point possible with the most food and use the tools we have like, cardio, training, sleep, PEDs and of course diet. Scaling these as we go and adjusting them to optimum levels so each week your making progress while eating more.

Hope this helps somewhat.

Nicely thought out

 

[gianster]

I wouldn't lower test. Primo crushes my estradiol next to nothing.

 

[zedhed]

the meals look terrific

 

[caligirl85]

you won't go wrong with these great protein choices

 

[Shrine]

I'm glad you're open to other people's suggestions

 

[Zyglamail]

you won't go wrong with brown rice and sweet potato as great carbs

 

[Arabian]

i wouldn't use masteron at your body fat. but anavar and primo are A+

 

[25homes]

Good start here. Keep updates comin

 

[BookerTNY]

stick with the Primo it works good because it doesn't mess with your appetite

 

[sambee38]

might want to do more time restricted eating and fasting