Approved Log Addiction Recovery Post Incarceration Life Transformation Journal - Testosterone Cypionate, HGH, Tirzepatide Cycle

[Pablo]

Hello Evolutionary Bros

I was inspired by @poopoobum to post this log and be as candid as possible in it. In late 2022 I went through some really challenging changes in my life. While it initially was a catalyst for "positive" change, if you could really call it that, quickly devolved into some pretty unhealthy coping strategies. I was using work and exercise as an escape from the unpleasant realities of my life. I was working out in my home gym, running TRT levels of Test, along with daily adderall and cocaine use. I got down to an adult low weight of 178lbs. (pic attached) Exercise eventually took a back seat, work became un unnecessary distraction resulting in my taking a leave of absence from my 20 year career, partying however was the priority.

After an OWI which included a single car accident where I narrowly escaped a burning vehicle I decided alcohol was no longer a substance I had interest in. I had been a binge drinker, often drinking to the point of blacking out. It's been about 3.5 years since that day. While I did drink a couple times since then it was never to excess and eventually I quit drinking altogether in 2023. Good, right? It may have been had I not decided to introduce meth into my life.

Things spiraled out of control pretty quickly and I racked up a number of criminal charges. In November of '23 I went to inpatient rehab. Then I continued treatment at the PHP and IOP levels. The consequences of my previous behavior were still looming over me and I relapsed in mid 2024. By this time I had active warrants for court dates I had missed while in treatment so an arrest resulted in me being held without bond for 6 months then being extradited to another jail where I was for just under a year. With no stimulants, a shitty diet, and no rec to speak of, I experienced a pretty negative body recomp and loss of cardio endurance. I did however focus on spiritual growth and treating the disease of addiction which I realized had been a problem for me long before the last few years when it became painfully obvious. I got out of jail on probation November of 2025. I have so much gratitude for the time I spent locked up as it gave me a chance to really focus on positive growth and to work with some really great people in the recovery community. I read A LOT of spiritual books. Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, Untethered Soul by Michael Singer, many Buddhist books by Zopa Rinpoche and Yeshe Rinpoche, and most recently a lot of Ram Dass podcasts as well as his book Be Here Now.

Now I'm trying to transfer this to "the world" where the distractions are more prevalent and the accountability less pronounced. I do still have some unresolved legal issues, so I'm working to see what kind of progress I can make by mid to late February. At that point, if I do wind up going to prison, I will do so in a strong and centered place mentally, spiritually, and physically. Sorry for the long winded backstory. I hope that anyone struggling with substance or process addiction will view this as an inspirational story/log to start the process of recovering. Anyone that wants to discuss any aspect of recovery, addiction, or anything else unrelated to the physical stuff this log is for is welcome to message me, or I would be willing to start an off-topic thread. I'm working on getting my peer recovery coach certification so I can help other people achieve sobriety. While I would never say my spiritual journey is complete or finished by any means, I will say that I am in a really good place. So let's get the physical manifestation to a similar place.

TL/DR: I went on an extended cut cycle by abusing stimulant drugs. Proceeded to burn my life to the ground. Sat in jail for an 18 month "bulking" cycle with very little if any lean muscle gains. Found a spiritual solution to my previous issues and now I want to see what I can achieve in the next 2 months or so before I may go to prison.

I'll start the log in the next post for readability.

 

[Pablo]

OK, Here's the start of the actual log.

I'm 5'11" and started off at about 220lbs.

Tirzepatide - compounded
(Vial 1 Tirz w/ L-Carn 12.5mg/100mg/ML)
(Vials 2,3,4 Tirz/B12 20MG/200MCG/ML)

I started on 2.125mg of Tirz (vial1) on 11-13 & 11-20. On 11-27 I titrated up to 3mg then on 12-2 to 5mg. on 12-8 I started vial 2 at 5mg. I'm trying to hit a therapeutic dose as quickly as I can and have experienced zero sides so far. The appetite suppression is functioning really well. Unfortunately I haven't really seen any results on the scale. On a side note I hate the scale, worst invention ever. I guess it's got its place but I'm much more into body composition measurements. Unfortunately my calipers are MIA like most of my stuff after my "vacation". Luckily the gym I joined as some pretty extensive body scan equipment so I will be relying more on that then the home scale.

I do my next Tirz injection today. I modified the schedule to an every 5 day cycle since that aligns with the half-life and was originally what the folks running the clinical trials for Lilly wanted but they got pushback due to the fear patient compliance would be lower with a "complicated" dosing schedule so they settled on once weekly. I'm strongly considering going up to 7.5mg. It's about 5 hours to pin time so I'd welcome any thoughts on that.

HGH (10iu Blacktops from Naps)

On 12-1 I started ED injections at 2iu nightly fasted. I know I may not see results by February but I figured on given the chance I may stay out I should start running it rather than procrastinating. On 12-6 I upped the dosage to 2.5iu. I get the occasional tingly finger. It's also really cold so I don't know it it's the HGH or not. Unfortunately I didn't get an IGF-1 baseline, but I plan do labs to check on how it's doing. I did get labs before starting anything that had by FBG at 91mg/dl. We'll see if the Tirz helps bring that down at all.

Test Cyp/HCG (Compounded 200mg/Ml 6000 units recon'd in 6ml)

On 12-2 AM I started 100mg Test Cyp and 250u HCG. Since then every 3.5days I have repeated the same. 12-12 PM I put in 120mg Test. I have clinic required labs at 10 weeks, but I may have them done sooner if that's suggested. I asked about Deca but the clinic preferred to wait until the 10 week labs to discuss. Thoughts?

 

[Pablo]

Body Comp

Like I said, I'm 43 5'11" 218lbs (on the home scale)

Here are some scans and info I got from the gym.

 

[Pablo]

Body Comp Pt.2

 

[Pablo]

Diet

I'm using Cronometer to track my diet. I'm really struggling to eat whole foods courtesy of the tirzepatide. I can make myself eat something but the portion size is very small. I'm able to push protein and I'm using that to keep my kcals up. I'm routinely in the 900-1100kcals per day sometimes as low as 600. Usually around 150-200 grams protein 30-60g Carbs. 40-50 grams Fat.

Yesterday was a "high" calorie day at 1280

Breakfast

2 whole eggs - Hardboiled
2 scoops ON Whey
3/4 Cup Fairlife Skim Milk

Lunch

1 Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast

Dinner/Post Workout

1 cup Roast Pork Tenderloin
2 Scoops ON Whey

Snack (10PM before 11:30 HGH injection)

Metamucil 2Tbsp
2 Scoops ON Casein Protein

Supps

5mg Creatine (Nutricost) in 1/2 cup Simply Grape Juice
2 caps Multi (Nutricost)
1 500mg Red Krill Oil
10mg Amlodipene (Prescribed for Hypertension) My reading last week was 140/80.

 

[Pablo]

Exercise

I started going to the gym about 2 weeks ago. I booked 6 sessions with a PT there for every Monday to help develop a routine which would optimize which equipment I used as there's a really extensive offering. I told him I wanted to target 3-4 lifting days a week with the off days used for cardio and core. He's working on an upper body, lower body, whole body rotation. We've done the whole body and lower body days together. I don't recall the weights but suffice to say I'm not happy with the exhaustion I experience pretty early. It's almost more of a cardio exhaustion then muscle if that makes sense. Like I could do a few more reps but I'm just gassed. Until I get the Google notes with exercises and weights I've been doing eGym circuits on days I'm not with him. I try for 30min of LISS cardio daily on the bike. Here's yesterdays info:

Cardio

35 Min Bike (LISS) 7.5 miles with a 5min cooldown. This was easier then the previous day (actually 2 days before) when I did 25 min. I use the constant watts setting. I was at 65 and yesterday I went to 75 so I've seen some improvement there.

eGym circuit (60 sec rest between stations)

Chest Press 20 reps 85lbs
Seated Row 20 reps 113lbs
Shoulder Press 20 reps 67 lbs
Lat Pull 20 reps 140lbs
Triceps 20 reps 95lbs
Bicep Curl 20 reps 38lbs
Leg Press 20 reps 245lbs
Glutes 9 reps(ea leg) 120lbs
Leg Extension 20 reps 80lbs
Leg Curl 20 reps 87lbs
Ab Crunch 5 reps 98lbs (Aborted early since I couldn't breath)

Lower Body Day was Monday

Squats Reps 16-12-8 increasing weight
RDL 16-12-8 Increasing weight
Pendulum Squats 16-12-8
Another Leg exercise I don't remember
Kettle Bell Step Ups 3 sets 16 w/2x25lb
Bicycle Crunches 3x16
Resistance Band obliques (gripping band in both hands, arms extended straight out from navel) 3x30secs each side

I'll get better info on Monday. I have a shitty memory for exercises and an even shittier one for the weights I use. I really need a documented routine otherwise gym ADD strikes and I just wander, doing the exercises I feel like at weights that are far too light or heavy.

Recovery

I like to use my Theragun after leg days. I also do hot tub, cryolounge and hydrotherapy bed. My sleep is finally normalizing, maybe it's the HGH. Injection at 11:30pm, asleep by 12:00pm waking up around 9-9:30.

 

[Pablo]

I forgot to attach the 178lb picture, so here it is.

 

[Pablo]

Lunch 12-13

 

[LevButlerov]

Hello Evolutionary Bros

I was inspired by @poopoobum to post this log and be as candid as possible in it. In late 2022 I went through some really challenging changes in my life. While it initially was a catalyst for "positive" change, if you could really call it that, quickly devolved into some pretty unhealthy coping strategies. I was using work and exercise as an escape from the unpleasant realities of my life. I was working out in my home gym, running TRT levels of Test, along with daily adderall and cocaine use. I got down to an adult low weight of 178lbs. (pic attached) Exercise eventually took a back seat, work became un unnecessary distraction resulting in my taking a leave of absence from my 20 year career, partying however was the priority.

After an OWI which included a single car accident where I narrowly escaped a burning vehicle I decided alcohol was no longer a substance I had interest in. I had been a binge drinker, often drinking to the point of blacking out. It's been about 3.5 years since that day. While I did drink a couple times since then it was never to excess and eventually I quit drinking altogether in 2023. Good, right? It may have been had I not decided to introduce meth into my life.

Things spiraled out of control pretty quickly and I racked up a number of criminal charges. In November of '23 I went to inpatient rehab. Then I continued treatment at the PHP and IOP levels. The consequences of my previous behavior were still looming over me and I relapsed in mid 2024. By this time I had active warrants for court dates I had missed while in treatment so an arrest resulted in me being held without bond for 6 months then being extradited to another jail where I was for just under a year. With no stimulants, a shitty diet, and no rec to speak of, I experienced a pretty negative body recomp and loss of cardio endurance. I did however focus on spiritual growth and treating the disease of addiction which I realized had been a problem for me long before the last few years when it became painfully obvious. I got out of jail on probation November of 2025. I have so much gratitude for the time I spent locked up as it gave me a chance to really focus on positive growth and to work with some really great people in the recovery community. I read A LOT of spiritual books. Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, Untethered Soul by Michael Singer, many Buddhist books by Zopa Rinpoche and Yeshe Rinpoche, and most recently a lot of Ram Dass podcasts as well as his book Be Here Now.

Now I'm trying to transfer this to "the world" where the distractions are more prevalent and the accountability less pronounced. I do still have some unresolved legal issues, so I'm working to see what kind of progress I can make by mid to late February. At that point, if I do wind up going to prison, I will do so in a strong and centered place mentally, spiritually, and physically. Sorry for the long winded backstory. I hope that anyone struggling with substance or process addiction will view this as an inspirational story/log to start the process of recovering. Anyone that wants to discuss any aspect of recovery, addiction, or anything else unrelated to the physical stuff this log is for is welcome to message me, or I would be willing to start an off-topic thread. I'm working on getting my peer recovery coach certification so I can help other people achieve sobriety. While I would never say my spiritual journey is complete or finished by any means, I will say that I am in a really good place. So let's get the physical manifestation to a similar place.

TL/DR: I went on an extended cut cycle by abusing stimulant drugs. Proceeded to burn my life to the ground. Sat in jail for an 18 month "bulking" cycle with very little if any lean muscle gains. Found a spiritual solution to my previous issues and now I want to see what I can achieve in the next 2 months or so before I may go to prison.

I'll start the log in the next post for readability.

OK, Here's the start of the actual log.

I'm 5'11" and started off at about 220lbs.

Tirzepatide - compounded
(Vial 1 Tirz w/ L-Carn 12.5mg/100mg/ML)
(Vials 2,3,4 Tirz/B12 20MG/200MCG/ML)

I started on 2.125mg of Tirz (vial1) on 11-13 & 11-20. On 11-27 I titrated up to 3mg then on 12-2 to 5mg. on 12-8 I started vial 2 at 5mg. I'm trying to hit a therapeutic dose as quickly as I can and have experienced zero sides so far. The appetite suppression is functioning really well. Unfortunately I haven't really seen any results on the scale. On a side note I hate the scale, worst invention ever. I guess it's got its place but I'm much more into body composition measurements. Unfortunately my calipers are MIA like most of my stuff after my "vacation". Luckily the gym I joined as some pretty extensive body scan equipment so I will be relying more on that then the home scale.

I do my next Tirz injection today. I modified the schedule to an every 5 day cycle since that aligns with the half-life and was originally what the folks running the clinical trials for Lilly wanted but they got pushback due to the fear patient compliance would be lower with a "complicated" dosing schedule so they settled on once weekly. I'm strongly considering going up to 7.5mg. It's about 5 hours to pin time so I'd welcome any thoughts on that.

HGH (10iu Blacktops from Naps)

On 12-1 I started ED injections at 2iu nightly fasted. I know I may not see results by February but I figured on given the chance I may stay out I should start running it rather than procrastinating. On 12-6 I upped the dosage to 2.5iu. I get the occasional tingly finger. It's also really cold so I don't know it it's the HGH or not. Unfortunately I didn't get an IGF-1 baseline, but I plan do labs to check on how it's doing. I did get labs before starting anything that had by FBG at 91mg/dl. We'll see if the Tirz helps bring that down at all.

Test Cyp/HCG (Compounded 200mg/Ml 6000 units recon'd in 6ml)

On 12-2 AM I started 100mg Test Cyp and 250u HCG. Since then every 3.5days I have repeated the same. 12-12 PM I put in 120mg Test. I have clinic required labs at 10 weeks, but I may have them done sooner if that's suggested. I asked about Deca but the clinic preferred to wait until the 10 week labs to discuss. Thoughts?

Body Comp

Like I said, I'm 43 5'11" 218lbs (on the home scale)

Here are some scans and info I got from the gym.

Body Comp Pt.2

Diet

I'm using Cronometer to track my diet. I'm really struggling to eat whole foods courtesy of the tirzepatide. I can make myself eat something but the portion size is very small. I'm able to push protein and I'm using that to keep my kcals up. I'm routinely in the 900-1100kcals per day sometimes as low as 600. Usually around 150-200 grams protein 30-60g Carbs. 40-50 grams Fat.

Yesterday was a "high" calorie day at 1280

Breakfast

2 whole eggs - Hardboiled
2 scoops ON Whey
3/4 Cup Fairlife Skim Milk

Lunch

1 Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast

Dinner/Post Workout

1 cup Roast Pork Tenderloin
2 Scoops ON Whey

Snack (10PM before 11:30 HGH injection)

Metamucil 2Tbsp
2 Scoops ON Casein Protein

Supps

5mg Creatine (Nutricost) in 1/2 cup Simply Grape Juice
2 caps Multi (Nutricost)
1 500mg Red Krill Oil
10mg Amlodipene (Prescribed for Hypertension) My reading last week was 140/80.

Exercise

I started going to the gym about 2 weeks ago. I booked 6 sessions with a PT there for every Monday to help develop a routine which would optimize which equipment I used as there's a really extensive offering. I told him I wanted to target 3-4 lifting days a week with the off days used for cardio and core. He's working on an upper body, lower body, whole body rotation. We've done the whole body and lower body days together. I don't recall the weights but suffice to say I'm not happy with the exhaustion I experience pretty early. It's almost more of a cardio exhaustion then muscle if that makes sense. Like I could do a few more reps but I'm just gassed. Until I get the Google notes with exercises and weights I've been doing eGym circuits on days I'm not with him. I try for 30min of LISS cardio daily on the bike. Here's yesterdays info:

Cardio

35 Min Bike (LISS) 7.5 miles with a 5min cooldown. This was easier then the previous day (actually 2 days before) when I did 25 min. I use the constant watts setting. I was at 65 and yesterday I went to 75 so I've seen some improvement there.

eGym circuit (60 sec rest between stations)

Chest Press 20 reps 85lbs
Seated Row 20 reps 113lbs
Shoulder Press 20 reps 67 lbs
Lat Pull 20 reps 140lbs
Triceps 20 reps 95lbs
Bicep Curl 20 reps 38lbs
Leg Press 20 reps 245lbs
Glutes 9 reps(ea leg) 120lbs
Leg Extension 20 reps 80lbs
Leg Curl 20 reps 87lbs
Ab Crunch 5 reps 98lbs (Aborted early since I couldn't breath)

Lower Body Day was Monday

Squats Reps 16-12-8 increasing weight
RDL 16-12-8 Increasing weight
Pendulum Squats 16-12-8
Another Leg exercise I don't remember
Kettle Bell Step Ups 3 sets 16 w/2x25lb
Bicycle Crunches 3x16
Resistance Band obliques (gripping band in both hands, arms extended straight out from navel) 3x30secs each side

I'll get better info on Monday. I have a shitty memory for exercises and an even shittier one for the weights I use. I really need a documented routine otherwise gym ADD strikes and I just wander, doing the exercises I feel like at weights that are far too light or heavy.

Recovery

I like to use my Theragun after leg days. I also do hot tub, cryolounge and hydrotherapy bed. My sleep is finally normalizing, maybe it's the HGH. Injection at 11:30pm, asleep by 12:00pm waking up around 9-9:30.

I forgot to attach the 178lb picture, so here it is.

Lunch 12-13

welcome to the EVO family @Pablo, thank you for sharing and being open. We truly love and support you and are happy to have you here. You have an inspirational story many can learn from!

I'm happy to see you were inspired by @poopoobum he's changed his life with AA, and so have I personally.

I'd like to ask you a few things, why did you choose to take HCG? I think in your case its not needed.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@SPOONMAN366 @coolguy77711

 

[Pablo]

welcome to the EVO family @Pablo, thank you for sharing and being open. We truly love and support you and are happy to have you here. You have an inspirational story many can learn from!

I'm happy to see you were inspired by @poopoobum he's changed his life with AA, and so have I personally.

I'd like to ask you a few things, why did you choose to take HCG? I think in your case its not needed.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@SPOONMAN366 @coolguy77711

I chose to take the HCG mainly because I wasn't sure if I would be able to be on the Test long term. Its quite possible that after a court appearance I could be taken into custody for an indeterminate amount of time. I wanted to maintain my own testicular function so I wouldn't be completely shut down. I could discontinue it until we get a little closer to crunch time.

Im not taking any vitamin c currently.
Psyllium husk is metamucil 2tbsp 2x daily. Multi is a nutricost daily Multi. Want to see the label? Probiotics is pretty much what I get from daily yogurt for breakfast.

 

[Dreamer]

I chose to take the HCG mainly because I wasn't sure if I would be able to be on the Test long term. Its quite possible that after a court appearance I could be taken into custody for an indeterminate amount of time. I wanted to maintain my own testicular function so I wouldn't be completely shut down. I could discontinue it until we get a little closer to crunch time.

Im not taking any vitamin c currently.
Psyllium husk is metamucil 2tbsp 2x daily. Multi is a nutricost daily Multi. Want to see the label? Probiotics is pretty much what I get from daily yogurt for breakfast.

Would they provide TRT in jail if your levels are low enough to medically qualify?

 

[Pigsy]

Welcome to the EVO family, thanks for sharing your story, lots of respect for that.
Plenty of help and advice here

 

[Pablo]

Would they provide TRT in jail if your levels are low enough to medically qualify?

Its a good question. The correctional system is kind of interesting in that regard. In jail you can have medications sent in and the 3rd party provider decides if you get them or not. I could try with the test, but its really unique by each facility. Prison is different. They will provide you with whatever is deemed "medically necessary" which often times translates into "will you die without it". Without at all getting into the political implications I can say that if I were undergoing gender reassignment that the entire procedure including HRT would be provided at no cost to me. I am out of the reference range so you could argue medical necessity, and in 6-8 months I may just get it. Its just not something I can count on so I was hoping to preserve the endogenous production I have, little as that may be.

 

[Pablo]

I'm going to pin my Tirz in a little bit. I've been at 5mg for 2 weeks, no sides. What are EVOs thoughts on bumping to 7.5 or perhaps 6.25mg? Im not seeing any movement on the scale, although I realize with starting the Test and gym that doesn't necessarily mean no fat loss as well as possible water retention. Im just trying to get to therapeutic doses ASAP since I'm potentially on a limited timeline.

 

[Dreamer]

Its a good question. The correctional system is kind of interesting in that regard. In jail you can have medications sent in and the 3rd party provider decides if you get them or not. I could try with the test, but its really unique by each facility. Prison is different. They will provide you with whatever is deemed "medically necessary" which often times translates into "will you die without it". Without at all getting into the political implications I can say that if I were undergoing gender reassignment that the entire procedure including HRT would be provided at no cost to me. I am out of the reference range so you could argue medical necessity, and in 6-8 months I may just get it. Its just not something I can count on so I was hoping to preserve the endogenous production I have, little as that may be.

Yeah thats fair, I was more curious, as I know here in Australia it would be incredibly unlikely, unless you were bottomed tf out - even then I think the protocol youd end up on would be more trouble than good anyway

 

[stevesmi]

Hello Evolutionary Bros

I was inspired by @poopoobum to post this log and be as candid as possible in it. In late 2022 I went through some really challenging changes in my life. While it initially was a catalyst for "positive" change, if you could really call it that, quickly devolved into some pretty unhealthy coping strategies. I was using work and exercise as an escape from the unpleasant realities of my life. I was working out in my home gym, running TRT levels of Test, along with daily adderall and cocaine use. I got down to an adult low weight of 178lbs. (pic attached) Exercise eventually took a back seat, work became un unnecessary distraction resulting in my taking a leave of absence from my 20 year career, partying however was the priority.

After an OWI which included a single car accident where I narrowly escaped a burning vehicle I decided alcohol was no longer a substance I had interest in. I had been a binge drinker, often drinking to the point of blacking out. It's been about 3.5 years since that day. While I did drink a couple times since then it was never to excess and eventually I quit drinking altogether in 2023. Good, right? It may have been had I not decided to introduce meth into my life.

Things spiraled out of control pretty quickly and I racked up a number of criminal charges. In November of '23 I went to inpatient rehab. Then I continued treatment at the PHP and IOP levels. The consequences of my previous behavior were still looming over me and I relapsed in mid 2024. By this time I had active warrants for court dates I had missed while in treatment so an arrest resulted in me being held without bond for 6 months then being extradited to another jail where I was for just under a year. With no stimulants, a shitty diet, and no rec to speak of, I experienced a pretty negative body recomp and loss of cardio endurance. I did however focus on spiritual growth and treating the disease of addiction which I realized had been a problem for me long before the last few years when it became painfully obvious. I got out of jail on probation November of 2025. I have so much gratitude for the time I spent locked up as it gave me a chance to really focus on positive growth and to work with some really great people in the recovery community. I read A LOT of spiritual books. Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, Untethered Soul by Michael Singer, many Buddhist books by Zopa Rinpoche and Yeshe Rinpoche, and most recently a lot of Ram Dass podcasts as well as his book Be Here Now.

Now I'm trying to transfer this to "the world" where the distractions are more prevalent and the accountability less pronounced. I do still have some unresolved legal issues, so I'm working to see what kind of progress I can make by mid to late February. At that point, if I do wind up going to prison, I will do so in a strong and centered place mentally, spiritually, and physically. Sorry for the long winded backstory. I hope that anyone struggling with substance or process addiction will view this as an inspirational story/log to start the process of recovering. Anyone that wants to discuss any aspect of recovery, addiction, or anything else unrelated to the physical stuff this log is for is welcome to message me, or I would be willing to start an off-topic thread. I'm working on getting my peer recovery coach certification so I can help other people achieve sobriety. While I would never say my spiritual journey is complete or finished by any means, I will say that I am in a really good place. So let's get the physical manifestation to a similar place.

TL/DR: I went on an extended cut cycle by abusing stimulant drugs. Proceeded to burn my life to the ground. Sat in jail for an 18 month "bulking" cycle with very little if any lean muscle gains. Found a spiritual solution to my previous issues and now I want to see what I can achieve in the next 2 months or so before I may go to prison.

I'll start the log in the next post for readability.

@Pablo we've had many people in your situation. you can check their logs and listen to their podcast interviews. its crucial you realize we are your family here and we support you now

 

[2Thick]

I'm going to pin my Tirz in a little bit. I've been at 5mg for 2 weeks, no sides. What are EVOs thoughts on bumping to 7.5 or perhaps 6.25mg? Im not seeing any movement on the scale, although I realize with starting the Test and gym that doesn't necessarily mean no fat loss as well as possible water retention. Im just trying to get to therapeutic doses ASAP since I'm potentially on a limited timeline.

i was going to suggest tirz or reta. 5mgs should be PLENTY. assuming you are using legit product @Pablo

 

[ROIDDERS]

Hello Evolutionary Bros

I was inspired by @poopoobum to post this log and be as candid as possible in it. In late 2022 I went through some really challenging changes in my life. While it initially was a catalyst for "positive" change, if you could really call it that, quickly devolved into some pretty unhealthy coping strategies. I was using work and exercise as an escape from the unpleasant realities of my life. I was working out in my home gym, running TRT levels of Test, along with daily adderall and cocaine use. I got down to an adult low weight of 178lbs. (pic attached) Exercise eventually took a back seat, work became un unnecessary distraction resulting in my taking a leave of absence from my 20 year career, partying however was the priority.

After an OWI which included a single car accident where I narrowly escaped a burning vehicle I decided alcohol was no longer a substance I had interest in. I had been a binge drinker, often drinking to the point of blacking out. It's been about 3.5 years since that day. While I did drink a couple times since then it was never to excess and eventually I quit drinking altogether in 2023. Good, right? It may have been had I not decided to introduce meth into my life.

Things spiraled out of control pretty quickly and I racked up a number of criminal charges. In November of '23 I went to inpatient rehab. Then I continued treatment at the PHP and IOP levels. The consequences of my previous behavior were still looming over me and I relapsed in mid 2024. By this time I had active warrants for court dates I had missed while in treatment so an arrest resulted in me being held without bond for 6 months then being extradited to another jail where I was for just under a year. With no stimulants, a shitty diet, and no rec to speak of, I experienced a pretty negative body recomp and loss of cardio endurance. I did however focus on spiritual growth and treating the disease of addiction which I realized had been a problem for me long before the last few years when it became painfully obvious. I got out of jail on probation November of 2025. I have so much gratitude for the time I spent locked up as it gave me a chance to really focus on positive growth and to work with some really great people in the recovery community. I read A LOT of spiritual books. Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, Untethered Soul by Michael Singer, many Buddhist books by Zopa Rinpoche and Yeshe Rinpoche, and most recently a lot of Ram Dass podcasts as well as his book Be Here Now.

Now I'm trying to transfer this to "the world" where the distractions are more prevalent and the accountability less pronounced. I do still have some unresolved legal issues, so I'm working to see what kind of progress I can make by mid to late February. At that point, if I do wind up going to prison, I will do so in a strong and centered place mentally, spiritually, and physically. Sorry for the long winded backstory. I hope that anyone struggling with substance or process addiction will view this as an inspirational story/log to start the process of recovering. Anyone that wants to discuss any aspect of recovery, addiction, or anything else unrelated to the physical stuff this log is for is welcome to message me, or I would be willing to start an off-topic thread. I'm working on getting my peer recovery coach certification so I can help other people achieve sobriety. While I would never say my spiritual journey is complete or finished by any means, I will say that I am in a really good place. So let's get the physical manifestation to a similar place.

TL/DR: I went on an extended cut cycle by abusing stimulant drugs. Proceeded to burn my life to the ground. Sat in jail for an 18 month "bulking" cycle with very little if any lean muscle gains. Found a spiritual solution to my previous issues and now I want to see what I can achieve in the next 2 months or so before I may go to prison.

I'll start the log in the next post for readability.

i hope you can get your life turned around. hopefully you have a good lawyer. @Pablo money can buy you out of a lot of things in this world so hope it works out

 

[Pablo]

@Pablo we've had many people in your situation. you can check their logs and listen to their podcast interviews. its crucial you realize we are your family here and we support you now

@stevesmi thanks for the kind words. Im really impressed with the environment here. Very supportive and judgement free. Who would have thought a place like this could exist on the internet, lol. Its def not reddit.

i was going to suggest tirz or reta. 5mgs should be PLENTY. assuming you are using legit product @Pablo

@2Thick I'd love to run Reta, but I found out about it a little too late. I've got 3 vials of tirz left then I may make a switch. I'd like to understand why you think 5mg is plenty. Based on the clinical trial data it seemed therapeutic doses were in the 10, 12, and 15mg range. I agree that sticking with the min effective dose should be the way, but I'm getting some food noise by the last couple days and I haven't seen much in the way of efficacy. I don't really have any interest in driving total daily calories any lower, I think 900-1100 is low enough already. Are there not mechanisms other than appetite suppression that become more effective at the higher doses? Im also interested in counteracting the insulin sensitivity that may occur with the HGH. Labs will be a good indicator of whether that's necessary. Maybe I should get a glucose meter to allow more frequent monitoring.

Dinner

1/2 NY Strip w mushrooms
1/2 Baked Sweet Potato
1/2 cup peas

Gym

35 min cardio. Level increased to 80.

 

[Pablo]

i hope you can get your life turned around. hopefully you have a good lawyer. @Pablo money can buy you out of a lot of things in this world so hope it works out

@ROIDDERS Ain't that the truth. I have 3 very good lawyers. One of them worked wonders for me on home invasion robbery and a pretty serious drug case. Getting probation only, plus the year I sat, was a real blessing. Hopefully they can keep the streak alive. Im hoping i can get drug treatment court, which is a kind of diversion program, in one of the counties. The number of charges and amount of drugs I was caught with is kind of a challenge though. At one point I had 104 felonies and 18 misdemeanors. A number of the possession with intent charges are at the highest level of 50+ grams. Luckily Im very at peace with whatever the outcome will be. I continue trying to do the next right thing, surrender to God's will, and realize that no matter what happens it is part of the universes perfect plan. It doesn't mean I don't have to do my part, but remaining present and being able to surrender the outcome is the secret sauce to living a life free of suffering. I'd like to have figured it out sooner, but it took everything thay happened to get me to right where I am today.

 

[stevesmi]

@stevesmi thanks for the kind words. Im really impressed with the environment here. Very supportive and judgement free. Who would have thought a place like this could exist on the internet, lol. Its def not reddit.

yeah or any other social media or bb forum. most bb forums they bully and berate you as soon as you join. its hilariously dumb their approach to things. we don't do that bs here for sure!

 

[Ulter]

I forgot to attach the 178lb picture, so here it is.

you have a nice base to work with. you are lean right now @Pablo We'll get you in great shape trust me

 

[ceo]

Dinner

1/2 NY Strip w mushrooms
1/2 Baked Sweet Potato
1/2 cup peas

Gym

35 min cardio. Level increased to 80.

bros ny strip, sweet potato and peas are amazing. you eating like a king. and you hitting the cardio too @Pablo

 

[Pigsy]

I'm going to pin my Tirz in a little bit. I've been at 5mg for 2 weeks, no sides. What are EVOs thoughts on bumping to 7.5 or perhaps 6.25mg? Im not seeing any movement on the scale, although I realize with starting the Test and gym that doesn't necessarily mean no fat loss as well as possible water retention. Im just trying to get to therapeutic doses ASAP since I'm potentially on a limited timeline.

That fine on triz

 

[LevButlerov]

I chose to take the HCG mainly because I wasn't sure if I would be able to be on the Test long term. Its quite possible that after a court appearance I could be taken into custody for an indeterminate amount of time. I wanted to maintain my own testicular function so I wouldn't be completely shut down. I could discontinue it until we get a little closer to crunch time.

Im not taking any vitamin c currently.
Psyllium husk is metamucil 2tbsp 2x daily. Multi is a nutricost daily Multi. Want to see the label? Probiotics is pretty much what I get from daily yogurt for breakfast.

I chose to take the HCG mainly because I wasn't sure if I would be able to be on the Test long term. Its quite possible that after a court appearance I could be taken into custody for an indeterminate amount of time. I wanted to maintain my own testicular function so I wouldn't be completely shut down. I could discontinue it until we get a little closer to crunch time.

In that case yes you can keep going with HCG, how long do you think you have in terms of weeks? @Pablo

Im not taking any vitamin c currently.

can you start 1000mgs/ed?

Psyllium husk is metamucil 2tbsp 2x daily. Multi is a nutricost daily Multi. Want to see the label? Probiotics is pretty much what I get from daily yogurt for breakfast.

if you have the budget switch to raw psyllium powder
yes please label
can you get a bottle 30billion cfu+ probiotics?

 

[Pablo]

In that case yes you can keep going with HCG, how long do you think you have in terms of weeks? @Pablo

can you start 1000mgs/ed?

if you have the budget switch to raw psyllium powder
yes please label
can you get a bottle 30billion cfu+ probiotics?

I've got about 10 weeks until the first jury trial date. The judge indicated they will not be moving that. Its one of the less serious cases. The rest will probably be 4 weeks or so after that. Things keep moving around so it makes it hard to plan. Ill do my best to keep you guys updated with dates.

I will start on the vit C. Switch to the raw powder and order the probiotics. Here is the label for the multi.

 

[LevButlerov]

I've got about 10 weeks until the first jury trial date. The judge indicated they will not be moving that. Its one of the less serious cases. The rest will probably be 4 weeks or so after that. Things keep moving around so it makes it hard to plan. Ill do my best to keep you guys updated with dates.

I will start on the vit C. Switch to the raw powder and order the probiotics. Here is the label for the multi.

In that case we can do 500 IU HCG EOD but you'll need to do aromasin on this cycle as well, you have ais on hand ready? @Pablo

I will start on the vit C. Switch to the raw powder and order the probiotics. Here is the label for the multi.

perfect on the C
and get the powder and probiotics update us
the multi is gtg

 

[Pablo]

In that case we can do 500 IU HCG EOD but you'll need to do aromasin on this cycle as well, you have ais on hand ready? @Pablo


perfect on the C
and get the powder and probiotics update us
the multi is gtg

I've got anastrazole 1mg qty 10 on hand. Ill need to order more hcg. Any good local sources you suggest? On that note, I was going to order more hgh. I saw good things about kits4less on the meso board, and mixed results here. I can stick with naps or give someone else a try.

Should I consider getting labs done so we can discuss bumping the test and check igf-1 or should I wait a couple more weeks?

Should I subtract the c that's in the multi or just do the 1000mg and call the multi a bonus?

Thanks for your help.

 

[LevButlerov]

I've got anastrazole 1mg qty 10 on hand. Ill need to order more hcg. Any good local sources you suggest? On that note, I was going to order more hgh. I saw good things about kits4less on the meso board, and mixed results here. I can stick with naps or give someone else a try.

Should I consider getting labs done so we can discuss bumping the test and check igf-1 or should I wait a couple more weeks?

Should I subtract the c that's in the multi or just do the 1000mg and call the multi a bonus?

Thanks for your help.

I've got anastrazole 1mg qty 10 on hand. Ill need to order more hcg. Any good local sources you suggest? On that note, I was going to order more hgh. I saw good things about kits4less on the meso board, and mixed results here. I can stick with naps or give someone else a try.

You can use arimidex but there might be a rebound I suggest aromasin if you have the budget

I suggest you buy Greg Domestic-supply.com he's here @domestic-supply.com always supporting the EVO family!
https://domestic-supply.com/
fast domestic and you get actual quality.

dont order from kits4less very scammy company.

Should I consider getting labs done so we can discuss bumping the test and check igf-1 or should I wait a couple more weeks?

I would if you can, but lets wait 2 weeks.

Should I subtract the c that's in the multi or just do the 1000mg and call the multi a bonus?

just get 1000mgs caps and call it a bonus

 

[Pablo]

You can use arimidex but there might be a rebound I suggest aromasin if you have the budget

I suggest you buy Greg Domestic-supply.com he's here @domestic-supply.com always supporting the EVO family!
https://domestic-supply.com/
fast domestic and you get actual quality.

dont order from kits4less very scammy company.

I would if you can, but lets wait 2 weeks.

just get 1000mgs caps and call it a bonus

Luckily budget isn't a concern for these items. Ill check out Greg. I assume he can handle all 3. HGH hCG and Aromasin? What's the dosage for the aromasin going to be?

 

[Allupfromhere]

Welcome brother! Well done choosing to take back control of your life. Many of us here share similar experiences and now have all chosen to shift our energy to self progression over self abuse so proud of you mate.

It's almost more of a cardio exhaustion then muscle if that makes sense. Like I could do a few more reps but I'm just gassed.

Need to re approach this then. Muscle stimulus needs to happen before systemic fatigue

 

[Pablo]

Welcome brother! Well done choosing to take back control of your life. Many of us here share similar experiences and now have all chosen to shift our energy to self progression over self abuse so proud of you mate.

Need to re approach this then. Muscle stimulus needs to happen before systemic fatigue

Thanks for your supportive words. Its nice to find a community like this.

My attempt to address the systemic fatigue issue is focusing on daily cardio to build cardio endurance. Any other suggestions?

 

[LevButlerov]

Luckily budget isn't a concern for these items. Ill check out Greg. I assume he can handle all 3. HGH hCG and Aromasin? What's the dosage for the aromasin going to be?

Aromasin 10mgs eod to start and see depends on how much test you plan to pin @Pablo

yes Greg should have it all check

 

[Allupfromhere]

Thanks for your supportive words. Its nice to find a community like this.

My attempt to address the systemic fatigue issue is focusing on daily cardio to build cardio endurance. Any other suggestions?

Abytime brother its what evo is all about, we support eachother always

Sorry bro i mean if your weight sessions are leaving you more systemic fatigued then muscle stimulated then the workouts should be re structured to directly target muscle stimulus then a program that just ultimately just turns to cardio then genuine resistance training.

Get more sessions up when you can so we can paint a clearer picture.

Daily cardio is always beneficial though and should be kept in year round regardless so awesome stuff there brother

 

[Mobster]

Even going to prison has, as it has for at least 2-3 members on the forums, actually helped them turn their lives around.

 

[toddthelineman]

Any good local sources you suggest?

I used hcg for years, I don’t hate it like many here do, but it sure did have my e2 (and my test) higher than it would be on trt-ish doses.

In the banners at the top, those are the approved sources. I like domestic supply. Very fast very straight forward shipping and purchase process. But look at purity source labs too. Their prices for hcg looked good and you won’t have any issues. Ask off the approved sources are solid though. Those two are my favorites


I have a similar backstory, but a long time ago. Very similar actually. All the drugs, alcohol, car accident, career, workaholism, incarceration. Once I got sober (yes I also had some relapses) I had life up against the ropes and was able to really to some meaningful things. You’re clearly a very intelligent and capable person, when you get focused you’ll be better than fine. Your head is in a much better place than mine was.

Glad to have you hear and read your story. I’ll be following

 

[Noah Wixx]

Hello Evolutionary Bros

I was inspired by @poopoobum to post this log and be as candid as possible in it. In late 2022 I went through some really challenging changes in my life. While it initially was a catalyst for "positive" change, if you could really call it that, quickly devolved into some pretty unhealthy coping strategies. I was using work and exercise as an escape from the unpleasant realities of my life. I was working out in my home gym, running TRT levels of Test, along with daily adderall and cocaine use. I got down to an adult low weight of 178lbs. (pic attached) Exercise eventually took a back seat, work became un unnecessary distraction resulting in my taking a leave of absence from my 20 year career, partying however was the priority.

After an OWI which included a single car accident where I narrowly escaped a burning vehicle I decided alcohol was no longer a substance I had interest in. I had been a binge drinker, often drinking to the point of blacking out. It's been about 3.5 years since that day. While I did drink a couple times since then it was never to excess and eventually I quit drinking altogether in 2023. Good, right? It may have been had I not decided to introduce meth into my life.

Things spiraled out of control pretty quickly and I racked up a number of criminal charges. In November of '23 I went to inpatient rehab. Then I continued treatment at the PHP and IOP levels. The consequences of my previous behavior were still looming over me and I relapsed in mid 2024. By this time I had active warrants for court dates I had missed while in treatment so an arrest resulted in me being held without bond for 6 months then being extradited to another jail where I was for just under a year. With no stimulants, a shitty diet, and no rec to speak of, I experienced a pretty negative body recomp and loss of cardio endurance. I did however focus on spiritual growth and treating the disease of addiction which I realized had been a problem for me long before the last few years when it became painfully obvious. I got out of jail on probation November of 2025. I have so much gratitude for the time I spent locked up as it gave me a chance to really focus on positive growth and to work with some really great people in the recovery community. I read A LOT of spiritual books. Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, Untethered Soul by Michael Singer, many Buddhist books by Zopa Rinpoche and Yeshe Rinpoche, and most recently a lot of Ram Dass podcasts as well as his book Be Here Now.

Now I'm trying to transfer this to "the world" where the distractions are more prevalent and the accountability less pronounced. I do still have some unresolved legal issues, so I'm working to see what kind of progress I can make by mid to late February. At that point, if I do wind up going to prison, I will do so in a strong and centered place mentally, spiritually, and physically. Sorry for the long winded backstory. I hope that anyone struggling with substance or process addiction will view this as an inspirational story/log to start the process of recovering. Anyone that wants to discuss any aspect of recovery, addiction, or anything else unrelated to the physical stuff this log is for is welcome to message me, or I would be willing to start an off-topic thread. I'm working on getting my peer recovery coach certification so I can help other people achieve sobriety. While I would never say my spiritual journey is complete or finished by any means, I will say that I am in a really good place. So let's get the physical manifestation to a similar place.

TL/DR: I went on an extended cut cycle by abusing stimulant drugs. Proceeded to burn my life to the ground. Sat in jail for an 18 month "bulking" cycle with very little if any lean muscle gains. Found a spiritual solution to my previous issues and now I want to see what I can achieve in the next 2 months or so before I may go to prison.

I'll start the log in the next post for readability.

Welcome and congratulations on the log

 

[ballin2504]

Welcome to the forum man. I’m really glad to hear that you have the addition under control and you’re getting it all turned around. Wishing you the best. I’ll be following along with your journey

 

[waggat]

Thanks for your supportive words. Its nice to find a community like this.

My attempt to address the systemic fatigue issue is focusing on daily cardio to build cardio endurance. Any other suggestions?

Hey mate, welcome to Evo. Looks like you have started on the path of turning your life around which is awesome. Thanks for providing to much detail in your first posts.

Just to add to what @Allupfromhere has said, I would consider keeping reps a bit lower on big compound moves. Things like squats and other leg exercises can really take it out of you when you do higher reps. Obviously this wouldn't be an issue with bicep curls for examples. You might have to rest longer between sets as well. Basically you want to be able to get to or near muscle failure not have to stop a set for cardio reasons.

 

[Pablo]

Even going to prison has, as it has for at least 2-3 members on the forums, actually helped them turn their lives around.

Thanks @Mobster while my preference is to continue the work from the outs, Im definitely not dreading prison. If that's what happens, it will be what happens. I believe perception creates reality. No circumstance is inherently "good" or "bad". Everything is neutral until we allow our mind to label it otherwise. Prison could be an amazing opportunity and I refuse to miss out on it because Im too busy creating suffering through my own clinging or aversion. It sounds like the folks youre referring to took thay opportunity and made the most of it.

I used hcg for years, I don’t hate it like many here do, but it sure did have my e2 (and my test) higher than it would be on trt-ish doses.

In the banners at the top, those are the approved sources. I like domestic supply. Very fast very straight forward shipping and purchase process. But look at purity source labs too. Their prices for hcg looked good and you won’t have any issues. Ask off the approved sources are solid though. Those two are my favorites


I have a similar backstory, but a long time ago. Very similar actually. All the drugs, alcohol, car accident, career, workaholism, incarceration. Once I got sober (yes I also had some relapses) I had life up against the ropes and was able to really to some meaningful things. You’re clearly a very intelligent and capable person, when you get focused you’ll be better than fine. Your head is in a much better place than mine was.

Glad to have you hear and read your story. I’ll be following

@toddthelineman The e2 is certainly a concern of mine with the hcg. At 250mg twice weekly it seemed reasonable just having the AI on standby. When I move to 500mg eod I recognize the need to introduce it to the mix. My understanding, limited as it may be, is that some level of estrogen is beneficial and dosing is easier on aromasin since the levels don't tend to bounce around as much and there's less risk of rebound coming off it. Did you run an AI with the HCG? I checked out PSL and they have really good pricing on both the HCG and HGH as well as Aromasin in 20mg rather than 25mg which will make the 10mg dosing simpler. Im glad to hear you've gotten things squared away after a similar set of experiences. I believe the quote is "Calm seas never made a good sailor". After all this, the regular stuff seems pretty petty.

 

[Pablo]

Welcome and congratulations on the log

Welcome to the forum man. I’m really glad to hear that you have the addition under control and you’re getting it all turned around. Wishing you the best. I’ll be following along with your journey

Thanks for the positive comments guys. I love the support.

 

[Pablo]

Hey mate, welcome to Evo. Looks like you have started on the path of turning your life around which is awesome. Thanks for providing to much detail in your first posts.

Just to add to what @Allupfromhere has said, I would consider keeping reps a bit lower on big compound moves. Things like squats and other leg exercises can really take it out of you when you do higher reps. Obviously this wouldn't be an issue with bicep curls for examples. You might have to rest longer between sets as well. Basically you want to be able to get to or near muscle failure not have to stop a set for cardio reasons.

Thank you for your comments @waggat

I hear what you guys are saying about reduced reps until my stamina increases, especially with the larger muscle groups. It makes sense and Im going to make sure to talk to the trainer about that tomorrow. Im sure with some consistent work I'll be able to regularly get to muscle failure before running out of steam.

 

[Pablo]

Log Update

I pinned the tirz last night so it was a lighter eating day. Unfortunately I felt uncomfortable full for most of the evening and that put a damper on my plans to make it to the gym. It was going to be light with cardio since I have a PT session tomorrow. I feel a little guilty about it now, plus a little antsy so I'm going to shoot for 100 push-ups and some planks before bed.

I did use the time to order the supps @LevButlerov suggested.

1000mg Vitamin C caps
Psyllium Husk caps 1500mg/serving
50 Billion CFU probiotics

I also pulled the trigger on some other goodies from PSL

2x100iu kits of Eurotropin HGH
4x5000iu HCG Euro-Pharmacies
1 50ct bag of Aromasin

Im running black tops from Naps right now at 2.5iu nightly and not really feeling much. Im not sure that tingly fingers or CTS is the optimal gauge of whether its "working" or not. I've been considering stepping the dose up to 3 or 4 but I think I will wait for 2 weeks when I do IGF testing to decide that. It seems like a more reasonable course of action. Once the Aromasin gets here I will up the HCG to 500iu EOD with 10mg of AI EOD as well.

Im looking forward to the coming week. Im really feeling motivated. I think it's the combination of the 200mg week of Test and the support of this board.

 

[G-Merc 80]

Thank you for sharing your story mate, I really hope your situation has a great result, I will be following along, you have found an amazing Family here with Evo, stay strong

 

[Simpjohn]

Sounds like you're throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks, haha! But hey, if budget's not a problem, why not? Just be careful with that HCG and AI combo, wouldn't want to nuke your estrogen completely! Keep us posted on those IGF tests, I'm curious to see what those black tops are really doing.

 

[toddthelineman]

Did you run an AI with the HCG? I checked out PSL

I ran without ai until I posted my bloodwork here. My e2 was around 100 for years, and I struggled with body acne the whole time as well as some anxiety. I was suggested to use aromasin at 6.25 mg eod, which worked perfectly and everything became normal.

Have you considered a pct before you would expect to be sentenced? I came off cold before I went away and I felt pretty horrible for a few weeks. Glad I wasn’t in the metal box while that happened. But I believe I made I good recovery anyway and almost certainly had good test levels before and after

 

[2Thick]

@2Thick I'd love to run Reta, but I found out about it a little too late. I've got 3 vials of tirz left then I may make a switch. I'd like to understand why you think 5mg is plenty. Based on the clinical trial data it seemed therapeutic doses were in the 10, 12, and 15mg range.

Those were people who had big-time obesity and type 2 diabetes. You are not in that boat at all. Plus they were really pushing the envelope to see how they would react.

 

[ROIDDERS]

@ROIDDERS Ain't that the truth. I have 3 very good lawyers. One of them worked wonders for me on home invasion robbery and a pretty serious drug case. Getting probation only, plus the year I sat, was a real blessing. Hopefully they can keep the streak alive. Im hoping i can get drug treatment court, which is a kind of diversion program, in one of the counties. The number of charges and amount of drugs I was caught with is kind of a challenge though. At one point I had 104 felonies and 18 misdemeanors. A number of the possession with intent charges are at the highest level of 50+ grams. Luckily Im very at peace with whatever the outcome will be. I continue trying to do the next right thing, surrender to God's will, and realize that no matter what happens it is part of the universes perfect plan. It doesn't mean I don't have to do my part, but remaining present and being able to surrender the outcome is the secret sauce to living a life free of suffering. I'd like to have figured it out sooner, but it took everything thay happened to get me to right where I am today.

can't be breaking into peoples houses. that is a no-no

 

[LevButlerov]

Log Update

I pinned the tirz last night so it was a lighter eating day. Unfortunately I felt uncomfortable full for most of the evening and that put a damper on my plans to make it to the gym. It was going to be light with cardio since I have a PT session tomorrow. I feel a little guilty about it now, plus a little antsy so I'm going to shoot for 100 push-ups and some planks before bed.

I did use the time to order the supps @LevButlerov suggested.

1000mg Vitamin C caps
Psyllium Husk caps 1500mg/serving
50 Billion CFU probiotics

I also pulled the trigger on some other goodies from PSL

2x100iu kits of Eurotropin HGH
4x5000iu HCG Euro-Pharmacies
1 50ct bag of Aromasin

Im running black tops from Naps right now at 2.5iu nightly and not really feeling much. Im not sure that tingly fingers or CTS is the optimal gauge of whether its "working" or not. I've been considering stepping the dose up to 3 or 4 but I think I will wait for 2 weeks when I do IGF testing to decide that. It seems like a more reasonable course of action. Once the Aromasin gets here I will up the HCG to 500iu EOD with 10mg of AI EOD as well.

Im looking forward to the coming week. Im really feeling motivated. I think it's the combination of the 200mg week of Test and the support of this board.

Good to see you get the digestive aids lets wait for them @Pablo

the hgh throw up some pics of it please?

 

[Pablo]

Here is the gym routine I'm following:

Full Body

Bench press (bar=45 lbs)
10, 8, 8, 6 / 85, 105, 115, 115 lbs
SA Seated High Row
3x10 / 55, 65, 70 lbs
Lat Pull-down
3x10 / 25 lbs
Pendulum Squat
10, 10, 8, 6, 6 / 45, 50, 50, 60, 70 lbs
Hamstring Curl Single Leg
3x8 per leg / 25lbs
Barbell Overhead Press (bar=45 lbs)
3x8 / 55 lbs
Quad Extension
3x10 / 45 lbs
Pallof Press
3x10 per side / Red band or Blue band
Deadbugs
3x10 per side













Upper Body

Incline Dumbbell Bench press
12, 10, 8, 8 / 20, 20, 25, 25
Military dumbbell press
3x10 / 15, 15, 20
Underhand grip rows (seated or Dumbbells)
3x8 / 35 lb DB
Back Extension holds
3x10 / 5 sec holds with 25 lb plate
Tricep Extensions
3x8 / 25-30 lbs
SS Front Deltoids
3x8 / 10 lb DB
SS Lat Deltoids
3x8 / 10 lb DB
Bicep Curl (machine, Dumbbells, or bent bar)
3x8 / bent bar, 10 lbs per side
SS Pushups
3x10
SS Core bicycles/deadbugs
3 sets x 30 seconds













Lower Body

Barbell Back Squat or leg press
12, 10, 8, 8 / 115, 135, 145, 145
Deadlift or RDL (DB or BB)
12, 10, 8, 8 / 95, 115, 135, 135
Hip ABD
3x12 /
Hip ADD
3x12 /
Step Ups
3x8 per side / 25 LB KB/DB
Weighted Lunges
3x8 per side /
Calf Raises
3x15 /
Bicycles
3x10 per side
Pallof Press Holds
3x 25 sec per side / Red or Blue Band




Week 2 Plan Dec 15-21: M: Upper Body, Tu: Cardio and Egym 1 set, Wed: Lower body, Th: Shake out day (Light cardio/swimming/biking), Friday: Full body, Sat: Rest, Sun: Upper Body
Week 3 Plan Dec 22-28: Mon: Lower Body, Tu: Cardio, Wed: Full Body, Th: Rest Day, Merry Christmas!, Friday: Upper, Sat: Lower Body, Sun: Rest Day / Shake out (light cardio)
Week 4 Plan Dec 29-Jan 3: Mon: Full Body

 

[Pablo]

Digestive aids and vitamin c arrived yesterday. The new PSL order should be here Monday. Here's a Pic of the HGH from Naps. Its just generic black tops.

 

[toddthelineman]

Digestive aids and vitamin c arrived yesterday. The new PSL order should be here Monday. Here's a Pic of the HGH from Naps. Its just generic black tops.

Can’t wait to see how these black tops work out for you.

 

[LevButlerov]

Here is the gym routine I'm following:

Full Body

Bench press (bar=45 lbs)
10, 8, 8, 6 / 85, 105, 115, 115 lbs
SA Seated High Row
3x10 / 55, 65, 70 lbs
Lat Pull-down
3x10 / 25 lbs
Pendulum Squat
10, 10, 8, 6, 6 / 45, 50, 50, 60, 70 lbs
Hamstring Curl Single Leg
3x8 per leg / 25lbs
Barbell Overhead Press (bar=45 lbs)
3x8 / 55 lbs
Quad Extension
3x10 / 45 lbs
Pallof Press
3x10 per side / Red band or Blue band
Deadbugs
3x10 per side













Upper Body

Incline Dumbbell Bench press
12, 10, 8, 8 / 20, 20, 25, 25
Military dumbbell press
3x10 / 15, 15, 20
Underhand grip rows (seated or Dumbbells)
3x8 / 35 lb DB
Back Extension holds
3x10 / 5 sec holds with 25 lb plate
Tricep Extensions
3x8 / 25-30 lbs
SS Front Deltoids
3x8 / 10 lb DB
SS Lat Deltoids
3x8 / 10 lb DB
Bicep Curl (machine, Dumbbells, or bent bar)
3x8 / bent bar, 10 lbs per side
SS Pushups
3x10
SS Core bicycles/deadbugs
3 sets x 30 seconds













Lower Body

Barbell Back Squat or leg press
12, 10, 8, 8 / 115, 135, 145, 145
Deadlift or RDL (DB or BB)
12, 10, 8, 8 / 95, 115, 135, 135
Hip ABD
3x12 /
Hip ADD
3x12 /
Step Ups
3x8 per side / 25 LB KB/DB
Weighted Lunges
3x8 per side /
Calf Raises
3x15 /
Bicycles
3x10 per side
Pallof Press Holds
3x 25 sec per side / Red or Blue Band




Week 2 Plan Dec 15-21: M: Upper Body, Tu: Cardio and Egym 1 set, Wed: Lower body, Th: Shake out day (Light cardio/swimming/biking), Friday: Full body, Sat: Rest, Sun: Upper Body
Week 3 Plan Dec 22-28: Mon: Lower Body, Tu: Cardio, Wed: Full Body, Th: Rest Day, Merry Christmas!, Friday: Upper, Sat: Lower Body, Sun: Rest Day / Shake out (light cardio)
Week 4 Plan Dec 29-Jan 3: Mon: Full Body

Good training day I like your volume but I'm checking a lot of it is 8-10 reps.
A few changes start doing 15-25 set reps to pump harder and add more cardio if you can @Pablo

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@coolguy77711

 

[LevButlerov]

Digestive aids and vitamin c arrived yesterday. The new PSL order should be here Monday. Here's a Pic of the HGH from Naps. Its just generic black tops.

Good touchdown for Napsgear @Pablo @jasonhill800

 

[Pigsy]

Digestive aids and vitamin c arrived yesterday. The new PSL order should be here Monday. Here's a Pic of the HGH from Naps. Its just generic black tops.

NIce touchdown and training going strong

 

[Dreamer]

Here is the gym routine I'm following:

Full Body

Bench press (bar=45 lbs)
10, 8, 8, 6 / 85, 105, 115, 115 lbs
SA Seated High Row
3x10 / 55, 65, 70 lbs
Lat Pull-down
3x10 / 25 lbs
Pendulum Squat
10, 10, 8, 6, 6 / 45, 50, 50, 60, 70 lbs
Hamstring Curl Single Leg
3x8 per leg / 25lbs
Barbell Overhead Press (bar=45 lbs)
3x8 / 55 lbs
Quad Extension
3x10 / 45 lbs
Pallof Press
3x10 per side / Red band or Blue band
Deadbugs
3x10 per side













Upper Body

Incline Dumbbell Bench press
12, 10, 8, 8 / 20, 20, 25, 25
Military dumbbell press
3x10 / 15, 15, 20
Underhand grip rows (seated or Dumbbells)
3x8 / 35 lb DB
Back Extension holds
3x10 / 5 sec holds with 25 lb plate
Tricep Extensions
3x8 / 25-30 lbs
SS Front Deltoids
3x8 / 10 lb DB
SS Lat Deltoids
3x8 / 10 lb DB
Bicep Curl (machine, Dumbbells, or bent bar)
3x8 / bent bar, 10 lbs per side
SS Pushups
3x10
SS Core bicycles/deadbugs
3 sets x 30 seconds













Lower Body

Barbell Back Squat or leg press
12, 10, 8, 8 / 115, 135, 145, 145
Deadlift or RDL (DB or BB)
12, 10, 8, 8 / 95, 115, 135, 135
Hip ABD
3x12 /
Hip ADD
3x12 /
Step Ups
3x8 per side / 25 LB KB/DB
Weighted Lunges
3x8 per side /
Calf Raises
3x15 /
Bicycles
3x10 per side
Pallof Press Holds
3x 25 sec per side / Red or Blue Band




Week 2 Plan Dec 15-21: M: Upper Body, Tu: Cardio and Egym 1 set, Wed: Lower body, Th: Shake out day (Light cardio/swimming/biking), Friday: Full body, Sat: Rest, Sun: Upper Body
Week 3 Plan Dec 22-28: Mon: Lower Body, Tu: Cardio, Wed: Full Body, Th: Rest Day, Merry Christmas!, Friday: Upper, Sat: Lower Body, Sun: Rest Day / Shake out (light cardio)
Week 4 Plan Dec 29-Jan 3: Mon: Full Body

Yes man, I love the pallof press, dont see them too often, try some cable woodchoppers too

 

[HarleyGuy]

@Pablo I love the title of your log brother it really caught my eye! I have to step out for a few hours but I've got your log queued up to read when I get back. Godspeed to you on this journey bro!

 

[HarleyGuy]

Hello Evolutionary Bros

I was inspired by @poopoobum to post this log and be as candid as possible in it. In late 2022 I went through some really challenging changes in my life. While it initially was a catalyst for "positive" change, if you could really call it that, quickly devolved into some pretty unhealthy coping strategies. I was using work and exercise as an escape from the unpleasant realities of my life. I was working out in my home gym, running TRT levels of Test, along with daily adderall and cocaine use. I got down to an adult low weight of 178lbs. (pic attached) Exercise eventually took a back seat, work became un unnecessary distraction resulting in my taking a leave of absence from my 20 year career, partying however was the priority.

After an OWI which included a single car accident where I narrowly escaped a burning vehicle I decided alcohol was no longer a substance I had interest in. I had been a binge drinker, often drinking to the point of blacking out. It's been about 3.5 years since that day. While I did drink a couple times since then it was never to excess and eventually I quit drinking altogether in 2023. Good, right? It may have been had I not decided to introduce meth into my life.

Things spiraled out of control pretty quickly and I racked up a number of criminal charges. In November of '23 I went to inpatient rehab. Then I continued treatment at the PHP and IOP levels. The consequences of my previous behavior were still looming over me and I relapsed in mid 2024. By this time I had active warrants for court dates I had missed while in treatment so an arrest resulted in me being held without bond for 6 months then being extradited to another jail where I was for just under a year. With no stimulants, a shitty diet, and no rec to speak of, I experienced a pretty negative body recomp and loss of cardio endurance. I did however focus on spiritual growth and treating the disease of addiction which I realized had been a problem for me long before the last few years when it became painfully obvious. I got out of jail on probation November of 2025. I have so much gratitude for the time I spent locked up as it gave me a chance to really focus on positive growth and to work with some really great people in the recovery community. I read A LOT of spiritual books. Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, Untethered Soul by Michael Singer, many Buddhist books by Zopa Rinpoche and Yeshe Rinpoche, and most recently a lot of Ram Dass podcasts as well as his book Be Here Now.

Now I'm trying to transfer this to "the world" where the distractions are more prevalent and the accountability less pronounced. I do still have some unresolved legal issues, so I'm working to see what kind of progress I can make by mid to late February. At that point, if I do wind up going to prison, I will do so in a strong and centered place mentally, spiritually, and physically. Sorry for the long winded backstory. I hope that anyone struggling with substance or process addiction will view this as an inspirational story/log to start the process of recovering. Anyone that wants to discuss any aspect of recovery, addiction, or anything else unrelated to the physical stuff this log is for is welcome to message me, or I would be willing to start an off-topic thread. I'm working on getting my peer recovery coach certification so I can help other people achieve sobriety. While I would never say my spiritual journey is complete or finished by any means, I will say that I am in a really good place. So let's get the physical manifestation to a similar place.

TL/DR: I went on an extended cut cycle by abusing stimulant drugs. Proceeded to burn my life to the ground. Sat in jail for an 18 month "bulking" cycle with very little if any lean muscle gains. Found a spiritual solution to my previous issues and now I want to see what I can achieve in the next 2 months or so before I may go to prison.

I'll start the log in the next post for readability.

Atta boy @poopoobum! Now I know who @Pablo is, great job for coming on here bro! Looking forward to this read when I get home.

 

[Pablo]

Touchdown

Well, I just got back from doing legs and what to my wondering eyes had appeared but a small bag of pills and some boxes of vials. Doesnt have the same ring as night before Christmas, but its still pretty exciting. So the question @LevButlerov is since I pinned 250iu of hcg and 120mg of test cyp today, do I take 10mg of the aromasin and put another 250 of hcg in, or should I wait until Sunday to pin 500iu and start the aromasin then?

I think I will stick with the black tops from naps until I do igf levels testing just to be able to provide feedback on them. I didn't get baseline labs for igf, but at least I will know where I'm at before starting the eurotropin.

I would welcome any thoughts on that strategy and any alternative suggestions.

 

[BeMe]

Digestive aids and vitamin c arrived yesterday. The new PSL order should be here Monday. Here's a Pic of the HGH from Naps. Its just generic black tops.

GH is going to be a great addition for your goals. Get ready for the best sleep of your life those first few days

 

[Pablo]

GH is going to be a great addition for your goals. Get ready for the best sleep of your life those first few days

I've been running 2.5iu of gh (black tops from naps) since 12-1. I don't really notice much, maybe its under dosed, maybe its bunk. Im going to stick with it for another week or so until I get labs. Depending on what the igf levels are I may just switch to the eurotropin right away. Do you have thoughts on dosing? Should I be trying to push it more to the 4-6 range?

 

[BeMe]

I've been running 2.5iu of gh (black tops from naps) since 12-1. I don't really notice much, maybe its under dosed, maybe its bunk. Im going to stick with it for another week or so until I get labs. Depending on what the igf levels are I may just switch to the eurotropin right away. Do you have thoughts on dosing? Should I be trying to push it more to the 4-6 range?

Like no difference at all?? Not even the first few days?

You should've slept a lot easier and better. Recovery should've improved as well.

You can safely move up to 4iu pre-bed. You'll just wanna be ok the look out for any carpal tunnel type pain, numbness in your extremities, or adema.

It's unlikely you'll experience any of these issues comsidering 2iu didn't even touch you, but worth mentioning just in case.

If you have problems it's no big deal to just drop back down to 2iu or stop all together for a bit. Nothing to worry about there

 

[Pablo]

Like no difference at all?? Not even the first few days?

You should've slept a lot easier and better. Recovery should've improved as well.

You can safely move up to 4iu pre-bed. You'll just wanna be ok the look out for any carpal tunnel type pain, numbness in your extremities, or adema.

It's unlikely you'll experience any of these issues comsidering 2iu didn't even touch you, but worth mentioning just in case.

If you have problems it's no big deal to just drop back down to 2iu or stop all together for a bit. Nothing to worry about there

Its a little tough to tell since I started test and hcg at the same time. My test was at 293 before that. My sleep had been decent, but I don't know what to attribute to the different substances. Im not willing to badmouth naps without any evidence, but the black tops don't have labs and I haven't gotten blood work since starting. My recovery has been pretty good given that I went from doing nothing to this routine, maybe that's the gh...

I've been trying to just be patient since I know it isn't an overnight change. Ill bump up to 4iu starting tonight. I would guess at that dose I should see igf in the 300's. If not, then we can draw some conclusions.

 

[BeMe]

Its a little tough to tell since I started test and hcg at the same time. My test was at 293 before that. My sleep had been decent, but I don't know what to attribute to the different substances. Im not willing to badmouth naps without any evidence, but the black tops don't have labs and I haven't gotten blood work since starting. My recovery has been pretty good given that I went from doing nothing to this routine, maybe that's the gh...

I've been trying to just be patient since I know it isn't an overnight change. Ill bump up to 4iu starting tonight. I would guess at that dose I should see igf in the 300's. If not, then we can draw some conclusions.

At 2iu you should see IGF in the 300s. That's why it's the most commonly recommended replacement dose. 2iu is just enough to get you right back to where you need to be.

For refefence at 2iu my IGF1 was at 330 and I'm 41 years old.

 

[Pablo]

At 2iu you should see IGF in the 300s. That's why it's the most commonly recommended replacement dose. 2iu is just enough to get you right back to where you need to be.

For refefence at 2iu my IGF1 was at 330 and I'm 41 years old.

OK, that gives me something to consider. If you don't mind sharing where you got the gh from I would be interested. Was it pharma, ugl, etc? Maybe I'll just stick with the 2.5 until labs. Im always tempted to play mad scientist with this shit, but without anything other then lack of sides to base it on it seems goofy to just randomly change stuff. Steady as she goes seems like the safest bet.

 

[LevButlerov]

Well, I just got back from doing legs and what to my wondering eyes had appeared but a small bag of pills and some boxes of vials. Doesnt have the same ring as night before Christmas, but its still pretty exciting. So the question @LevButlerov is since I pinned 250iu of hcg and 120mg of test cyp today, do I take 10mg of the aromasin and put another 250 of hcg in, or should I wait until Sunday to pin 500iu and start the aromasin then?

you already pinned thats fine 120mgs test cyp isnt too high
on sunday you can pin another 250 not 500 for now go slow and add light aromasin @Pablo

i see euro pharma touchdown pic there for aromasin right? can you just take 1 pic of their packet for a TD please
and you have test from psl?

I think I will stick with the black tops from naps until I do igf levels testing just to be able to provide feedback on them. I didn't get baseline labs for igf, but at least I will know where I'm at before starting the eurotropin.

without a baseline would be hard for the test to work

I've been running 2.5iu of gh (black tops from naps) since 12-1. I don't really notice much, maybe its under dosed, maybe its bunk. Im going to stick with it for another week or so until I get labs. Depending on what the igf levels are I may just switch to the eurotropin right away. Do you have thoughts on dosing? Should I be trying to push it more to the 4-6 range?

I would switch to Eurotropin now, I remember @RoidRage69 was using it with good results
dosing 2 ius pre bed is best dont push up

Its a little tough to tell since I started test and hcg at the same time. My test was at 293 before that. My sleep had been decent, but I don't know what to attribute to the different substances. Im not willing to badmouth naps without any evidence, but the black tops don't have labs and I haven't gotten blood work since starting. My recovery has been pretty good given that I went from doing nothing to this routine, maybe that's the gh...

I've been trying to just be patient since I know it isn't an overnight change. Ill bump up to 4iu starting tonight. I would guess at that dose I should see igf in the 300's. If not, then we can draw some conclusions.

its hard to tell now lets first do an igf test, but might be cheaper to just get new hgh

 

[Pablo]

you already pinned thats fine 120mgs test cyp isnt too high
on sunday you can pin another 250 not 500 for now go slow and add light aromasin @Pablo

i see euro pharma touchdown pic there for aromasin right? can you just take 1 pic of their packet for a TD please
and you have test from psl?

without a baseline would be hard for the test to work

I would switch to Eurotropin now, I remember @RoidRage69 was using it with good results
dosing 2 ius pre bed is best dont push up

its hard to tell now lets first do an igf test, but might be cheaper to just get new hgh

@LevButlerov I wasn't intending to up the test, but rather to increase the hcg to 500 EOD and start the aromasin at 10mg EOD per your earlier suggestion.

Are you saying that since I don't have an IGF baseline it would be pointless to get it tested now and try to divine whether or not the level has Im currently at is due to the HGH or just because thats my current natural level? If thats the case I could test now, treat the results as my "baseline test", start the Eurotropin and retest in 4 weeks to gage dose. Does that make sense? Or am I missing the picture?

Here's a pic of just the aromasin (Exemestanex)

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov I wasn't intending to up the test, but rather to increase the hcg to 500 EOD and start the aromasin at 10mg EOD per your earlier suggestion.

Are you saying that since I don't have an IGF baseline it would be pointless to get it tested now and try to divine whether or not the level has Im currently at is due to the HGH or just because thats my current natural level? If thats the case I could test now, treat the results as my "baseline test", start the Eurotropin and retest in 4 weeks to gage dose. Does that make sense? Or am I missing the picture?

Here's a pic of just the aromasin (Exemestanex)

@LevButlerov I wasn't intending to up the test, but rather to increase the hcg to 500 EOD and start the aromasin at 10mg EOD per your earlier suggestion.

Rereading my original thoughts and thinking about it, I'm not sure here. @Pablo I could have been wrong.
your labcorp is around 11 e2 thats fairly low
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ate-hgh-tirzepatide-cycle.108196/post-1917446
we can do hcg and test without adding aromasin for now, lets try for 1 week and test it

Are you saying that since I don't have an IGF baseline it would be pointless to get it tested now and try to divine whether or not the level has Im currently at is due to the HGH or just because thats my current natural level? If thats the case I could test now, treat the results as my "baseline test", start the Eurotropin and retest in 4 weeks to gage dose. Does that make sense? Or am I missing the picture?

if you dont know your baseline hard to tell
but you can test now and see if you get high igf sure, you should be fairly normal and easy to tell for most part if HGH is legit imo

 

[LevButlerov]

Here's a pic of just the aromasin (Exemestanex)

i love that Euro pharmacies TD pic for aromasin @Pablo
@~Vision~ @BigD9795 @RoidRage69 @RoidRageWife

 

[Mobster]

@LevButlerov I wasn't intending to up the test, but rather to increase the hcg to 500 EOD and start the aromasin at 10mg EOD per your earlier suggestion.

Are you saying that since I don't have an IGF baseline it would be pointless to get it tested now and try to divine whether or not the level has Im currently at is due to the HGH or just because thats my current natural level? If thats the case I could test now, treat the results as my "baseline test", start the Eurotropin and retest in 4 weeks to gage dose. Does that make sense? Or am I missing the picture?

Here's a pic of just the aromasin (Exemestanex)

Always love me a EuroPharmacies TD!

 

[BeMe]

OK, that gives me something to consider. If you don't mind sharing where you got the gh from I would be interested. Was it pharma, ugl, etc? Maybe I'll just stick with the 2.5 until labs. Im always tempted to play mad scientist with this shit, but without anything other then lack of sides to base it on it seems goofy to just randomly change stuff. Steady as she goes seems like the safest bet.

Yea I think keep it steady and get some testing would be the smartest way to go for now. Could be working wonders and you just don't realize it because you had so much change all at once.

I'm in Canada my sources are different than yours bro. Less options but we have some good ones thankfully

 

[HarleyGuy]

Would they provide TRT in jail if your levels are low enough to medically qualify?

I went in with an Rx script and they did for me but my Rx is 300mg/week (I made it happen that way ) and as soon as I got inside they lowered it to 100mg every two weeks which crashed me down to little girl levels. If you don't have an existing script I doubt they'd even test you for it inside. Medical care in prison is shit, they took me off a few of my PTSD meds because they didn't want it getting passed around the prison and I had to detox off them cold turkey.

 

[HarleyGuy]

@LevButlerov I wasn't intending to up the test, but rather to increase the hcg to 500 EOD and start the aromasin at 10mg EOD per your earlier suggestion.

Are you saying that since I don't have an IGF baseline it would be pointless to get it tested now and try to divine whether or not the level has Im currently at is due to the HGH or just because thats my current natural level? If thats the case I could test now, treat the results as my "baseline test", start the Eurotropin and retest in 4 weeks to gage dose. Does that make sense? Or am I missing the picture?

Here's a pic of just the aromasin (Exemestanex)

I'm glad you got aromasin bro and are really open and willing to accept all the guidance on here. You are family here now and we got your back. Looking forward to watching your transformation!

 

[waggat]

Here is the gym routine I'm following:

Full Body

Bench press (bar=45 lbs)
10, 8, 8, 6 / 85, 105, 115, 115 lbs
SA Seated High Row
3x10 / 55, 65, 70 lbs
Lat Pull-down
3x10 / 25 lbs
Pendulum Squat
10, 10, 8, 6, 6 / 45, 50, 50, 60, 70 lbs
Hamstring Curl Single Leg
3x8 per leg / 25lbs
Barbell Overhead Press (bar=45 lbs)
3x8 / 55 lbs
Quad Extension
3x10 / 45 lbs
Pallof Press
3x10 per side / Red band or Blue band
Deadbugs
3x10 per side













Upper Body

Incline Dumbbell Bench press
12, 10, 8, 8 / 20, 20, 25, 25
Military dumbbell press
3x10 / 15, 15, 20
Underhand grip rows (seated or Dumbbells)
3x8 / 35 lb DB
Back Extension holds
3x10 / 5 sec holds with 25 lb plate
Tricep Extensions
3x8 / 25-30 lbs
SS Front Deltoids
3x8 / 10 lb DB
SS Lat Deltoids
3x8 / 10 lb DB
Bicep Curl (machine, Dumbbells, or bent bar)
3x8 / bent bar, 10 lbs per side
SS Pushups
3x10
SS Core bicycles/deadbugs
3 sets x 30 seconds













Lower Body

Barbell Back Squat or leg press
12, 10, 8, 8 / 115, 135, 145, 145
Deadlift or RDL (DB or BB)
12, 10, 8, 8 / 95, 115, 135, 135
Hip ABD
3x12 /
Hip ADD
3x12 /
Step Ups
3x8 per side / 25 LB KB/DB
Weighted Lunges
3x8 per side /
Calf Raises
3x15 /
Bicycles
3x10 per side
Pallof Press Holds
3x 25 sec per side / Red or Blue Band




Week 2 Plan Dec 15-21: M: Upper Body, Tu: Cardio and Egym 1 set, Wed: Lower body, Th: Shake out day (Light cardio/swimming/biking), Friday: Full body, Sat: Rest, Sun: Upper Body
Week 3 Plan Dec 22-28: Mon: Lower Body, Tu: Cardio, Wed: Full Body, Th: Rest Day, Merry Christmas!, Friday: Upper, Sat: Lower Body, Sun: Rest Day / Shake out (light cardio)
Week 4 Plan Dec 29-Jan 3: Mon: Full Body

This split is alright and you have some good exercises in there.

Just watch out once you get stronger as you'll end up hitting some muscles 48 hours later. Eg if you do lower body Monday then full body Wednesday the legs don't get much rest between sessions. Shouldn't be an issue for a while though.

 

[~Vision~]

@LevButlerov I wasn't intending to up the test, but rather to increase the hcg to 500 EOD and start the aromasin at 10mg EOD per your earlier suggestion.

Are you saying that since I don't have an IGF baseline it would be pointless to get it tested now and try to divine whether or not the level has Im currently at is due to the HGH or just because thats my current natural level? If thats the case I could test now, treat the results as my "baseline test", start the Eurotropin and retest in 4 weeks to gage dose. Does that make sense? Or am I missing the picture?

Here's a pic of just the aromasin (Exemestanex)

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We love hearing that you are enjoying our products and services!
Our team at PSL is committed to providing a personalized experience and building a strong relationship
with every client and community member.

Thank you so much for taking your precious time to share this wonderful review.

We are beyond excited that we could meet your needs and go above and beyond for you.

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Thank you once again for your support and for being such a valued member of the PuritySourceLabs family.

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[RoidRageWife]

@LevButlerov I wasn't intending to up the test, but rather to increase the hcg to 500 EOD and start the aromasin at 10mg EOD per your earlier suggestion.

Are you saying that since I don't have an IGF baseline it would be pointless to get it tested now and try to divine whether or not the level has Im currently at is due to the HGH or just because thats my current natural level? If thats the case I could test now, treat the results as my "baseline test", start the Eurotropin and retest in 4 weeks to gage dose. Does that make sense? Or am I missing the picture?

Here's a pic of just the aromasin (Exemestanex)

Euro pharm HGH and other products @PSL are absolutely legit high quality products! Never had a bad product or service! Would recommend them over and over.

 

[R.AP]

Good training day I like your volume but I'm checking a lot of it is 8-10 reps.
A few changes start doing 15-25 set reps to pump harder and add more cardio if you can @Pablo

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@coolguy77711

@LevButlerov We need to start moving people towards recording RIR and proximity to failure rather than specific rep rangers. 8 - 12 or 15 - 20 is far less important than how those movements are executed. It's why I'm so excited for the IT team to make the changes required so people can start uploading their sets.

 

[HarleyGuy]

@LevButlerov We need to start moving people towards recording RIR and proximity to failure rather than specific rep rangers. 8 - 12 or 15 - 20 is far less important than how those movements are executed. It's why I'm so excited for the IT team to make the changes required so people can start uploading their sets.

This would save me a lot of typing

 

[jasonhill800]

Digestive aids and vitamin c arrived yesterday. The new PSL order should be here Monday. Here's a Pic of the HGH from Naps. Its just generic black tops.

Thanks for posting the Naps TD brother !

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov We need to start moving people towards recording RIR and proximity to failure rather than specific rep rangers. 8 - 12 or 15 - 20 is far less important than how those movements are executed. It's why I'm so excited for the IT team to make the changes required so people can start uploading their sets.

fair, I'd like to see more volume on guys myself, I think too many are just training without actual big pumps and failure fully agreed with you @R.AP

 

[Pablo]

Rereading my original thoughts and thinking about it, I'm not sure here. @Pablo I could have been wrong.
your labcorp is around 11 e2 thats fairly low
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ate-hgh-tirzepatide-cycle.108196/post-1917446
we can do hcg and test without adding aromasin for now, lets try for 1 week and test it


if you dont know your baseline hard to tell
but you can test now and see if you get high igf sure, you should be fairly normal and easy to tell for most part if HGH is legit imo

Im set for testing tomorrow through marek diag. Im going to get FBG, fasting insulin, a1c, and IGF-1. Then based on the results I will decide to either finish off with the naps before switching to the eurotropin or switch immediately. I pinned 500iu of HCG yesterday and will be continuing EOD. Do you feel like 1-4 would be a good date for getting labs on Test? I was thinking about E2 (sensitive or standard ECLIA?), Test (total and free, or just total? Is LC/MS worth another 16 bucks?), and TSH. Anything else I should consider adding?

I did upper body yesterday and wound up adding weight to just about every exercise.

Incline Dumbbell press 12,10,8,8/ 25,25,30,35
Military Dumbbell Press 3x10/ 20,25,30
Underhand rows 3x8/50lb
Back Extension holds 3x10/5sec hold w 25lb plate
Tricep Extensions 3x8/ 35,40,50
SS front delts 3x8/ 10,15,15
SS Lat Delts 3x8/ 10,15,15
Bicep Curl 3x8/ bent bar w 25lbs a side

Biceps was the only exercise I got to failure on the last set. It was only after I got home that I remembered @LevButlerov saying I should go for higher reps. Whoops, I may have to drop the weight back down a bit and shoot for closer to 15-25. Is that for hypertrophic training or just to try to get muscle endurance built up?

The scale still says 218lbs. Crazy since I'm at 900-1100 cal daily with around 150g protein and 40-60g carbs. Maybe its water/recomp. Im not putting too much thought into it. I will try to hop on the inbody to see if thats moved around at all.

 

[LevButlerov]

Im set for testing tomorrow through marek diag. Im going to get FBG, fasting insulin, a1c, and IGF-1. Then based on the results I will decide to either finish off with the naps before switching to the eurotropin or switch immediately. I pinned 500iu of HCG yesterday and will be continuing EOD. Do you feel like 1-4 would be a good date for getting labs on Test? I was thinking about E2 (sensitive or standard ECLIA?), Test (total and free, or just total? Is LC/MS worth another 16 bucks?), and TSH. Anything else I should consider adding?

I did upper body yesterday and wound up adding weight to just about every exercise.

Incline Dumbbell press 12,10,8,8/ 25,25,30,35
Military Dumbbell Press 3x10/ 20,25,30
Underhand rows 3x8/50lb
Back Extension holds 3x10/5sec hold w 25lb plate
Tricep Extensions 3x8/ 35,40,50
SS front delts 3x8/ 10,15,15
SS Lat Delts 3x8/ 10,15,15
Bicep Curl 3x8/ bent bar w 25lbs a side

Biceps was the only exercise I got to failure on the last set. It was only after I got home that I remembered @LevButlerov saying I should go for higher reps. Whoops, I may have to drop the weight back down a bit and shoot for closer to 15-25. Is that for hypertrophic training or just to try to get muscle endurance built up?

The scale still says 218lbs. Crazy since I'm at 900-1100 cal daily with around 150g protein and 40-60g carbs. Maybe its water/recomp. Im not putting too much thought into it. I will try to hop on the inbody to see if thats moved around at all.

lets do the testing first and see how it goes but you're going tomorrow right to test? and test lc/ms please @Pablo
good training today! next time do that drop set

lets get more protein in though please

 

[Pablo]

Im just doing the IGF testing tomorrow. I figure I've been on the HGH long enough to get usable results. I thought I should wait a little while for the Test since I just started the 500iu EOD yesterday. Would waiting until 1-4 make sense? I will work on bumping the protein up. What creatine dose is appropriate? I've seen 5g daily, but I've also seen you suggest 20g.

 

[LevButlerov]

Im just doing the IGF testing tomorrow. I figure I've been on the HGH long enough to get usable results. I thought I should wait a little while for the Test since I just started the 500iu EOD yesterday. Would waiting until 1-4 make sense? I will work on bumping the protein up. What creatine dose is appropriate? I've seen 5g daily, but I've also seen you suggest 20g.

Sure you can wait a bit to see @Pablo at least 2 weeks
creatine 20grams ed is good start there

on the protein lets get shakes in

 

[BeMe]

@LevButlerov We need to start moving people towards recording RIR and proximity to failure rather than specific rep rangers. 8 - 12 or 15 - 20 is far less important than how those movements are executed. It's why I'm so excited for the IT team to make the changes required so people can start uploading their sets.

RP Hypertrophy App is the program I use and it's all focused around periodization and RIR.

 

[R.AP]

This would save me a lot of typing

Much needed change bro! So many people need help with their training methodology and execution!

 

[HarleyGuy]

RP Hypertrophy App is the program I use and it's all focused around periodization and RIR.

Is it one of these bro? Typed in RP Hypertrophy and these two were the closest results I got.

 

[BeMe]

Is it one of these bro? Typed in RP Hypertrophy and these two were the closest results I got.

It's an app but through a web browser. You can get it through their website. It runs like every other app tho

 

[HarleyGuy]

It's an app but through a web browser. You can get it through their website. It runs like every other app tho

Ok I'll take a look. Thanks!