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Introduction:
I have been asked to review and log Semaglutide from @ZenithHealth. I was offered a 10% discount on all future orders but to be honest I would've done it for free. @ZenithHealth has been extremely helpful; explaining what to do and how to go about it and replies extremely fast via evolutionary.org DM. I will be referring to @ZenithHealth as ZH and Semaglutide as Sema from here on.

The Semaglutide comes in a vial but you need to add Bacteriostatic Water which I acquired via an instruction thread ZH had posted, this part was very easy. As per instructions I injected below the navel with Insulin needles I already had and have been doing so every day.

I need to add that I am overweight, suffer from Alcoholism and the reason I mention it is because I have read online that Semaglutide can obviously help with weight management but its also been reported to help with Alcoholism.

I am 6' (182.88cm) and currently 240lb (109kg) and between the age of 35 and 40 and I generally have a decent diet but I pretty much gain 1kg per year as I get older, my drinking consists pretty much of managing to stay sober from Monday to Wednesday, my wife works nights on Thursday, Friday and every second Saturday and Sunday, I drink on the nights she is not home as I have been to rehab twice and cant seem to get the monkey off my back.

I work an office job, my day consists of a 45 minute drive (sitting, duh) then in the office for 8 hours with pretty much sitting followed by a commute home that can be an hour to 1.5hrs, when I get home I sit on the couch most the night ie. I am terribly sedentary.

I used to be a gym rat in my 20's and want to get back to be active as I fear in my older years I will lose balance and strength.

Experience:
By day 3 I can happily announce it ABSOLUTELY works, at least on the eating side of things; I would consume 3 cans of Pepsi Max (a sugar free drink in Australia) and the caffeine in it would suppress my hunger but I would usually feel very hungry by 1500. As I am typing this at 1600 I am not hungry at all, there is a vague feeling hunger but its easily ignorable. I am drinking though (thursday night) but I seem to not be enjoying as I normally do, I can still drink but its more of task.

I will literally have to force myself to eat tonight because If I dont my hangover will be way worse tomorrow whilst at work.

You dont need to read the following as it doesnt really relate to the 'experiment/log'

The Alcoholism:
Probably less interesting but I think it needs to be said; I have attended Rehab twice, after my second time I managed to stay sober for 9 months attending AA 3-4 times a week, this worked well but as anyone with addiction may know, your addiction is sitting in your mind doing push ups waiting for you to come back and when you do it is not a slow start up, you are back EXTREMELY quickly to where you were before, like you never stopped. Because I spend so much time hiding it (poorly at times) I dont drink everyday but by day 3 or 4 I cannot contain it anymore. I have tried medication and counselling and in my experience none of that works, AA is the way to go but once you leave they all know you have fallen off the wagon and you struggle to bring yourself back even though they will not judge you in anyway. My biggest problem is I am an introvert and dont like dealing with people and its worse when you have to have strangers (who mean well) getting involved in something as personal as addiction.

It will be interesting to see if this works.
 
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poopoobum said:
Introduction:
I have been asked to review and log Semaglutide from @ZenithHealth. I was offered a 10% discount on all future orders but to be honest I would've done it for free. @ZenithHealth has been extremely helpful; explaining what to do and how to go about it and replies extremely fast via evolutionary.org DM. I will be referring to @ZenithHealth as ZH and Semaglutide as Sema from here on.

The Semaglutide comes in a vial but you need to add Bacteriostatic Water which I acquired via an instruction thread ZH had posted, this part was very easy. As per instructions I injected below the navel with Insulin needles I already had and have been doing so every day.

I need to add that I am overweight, suffer from Alcoholism and the reason I mention it is because I have read online that Semaglutide can obviously help with weight management but its also been reported to help with Alcoholism.

I am 6' (182.88cm) and currently 240lb (109kg) and between the age of 35 and 40 and I generally have a decent diet but I pretty much gain 1kg per year as I get older, my drinking consists pretty much of managing to stay sober from Monday to Wednesday, my wife works nights on Thursday, Friday and every second Saturday and Sunday, I drink on the nights she is not home as I have been to rehab twice and cant seem to get the monkey off my back.

I work an office job, my day consists of a 45 minute drive (sitting, duh) then in the office for 8 hours with pretty much sitting followed by a commute home that can be an hour to 1.5hrs, when I get home I sit on the couch most the night ie. I am terribly sedentary.

I used to be a gym rat in my 20's and want to get back to be active as I fear in my older years I will lose balance and strength.

Experience:
By day 3 I can happily announce it ABSOLUTELY works, at least on the eating side of things; I would consume 3 cans of Pepsi Max (a sugar free drink in Australia) and the caffeine in it would suppress my hunger but I would usually feel very hungry by 1500. As I am typing this at 1600 I am not hungry at all, there is a vague feeling hunger but its easily ignorable. I am drinking though (thursday night) but I seem to not be enjoying as I normally do, I can still drink but its more of task.

I will literally have to force myself to eat tonight because If I dont my hangover will be way worse tomorrow whilst at work.

You dont need to read the following as it doesnt really relate to the 'experiment/log'

The Alcoholism:
Probably less interesting but I think it needs to be said; I have attended Rehab twice, after my second time I managed to stay sober for 9 months attending AA 3-4 times a week, this worked well but as anyone with addiction may know, your addiction is sitting in your mind doing push ups waiting for you to come back and when you do it is not a slow start up, you are back EXTREMELY quickly to where you were before, like you never stopped. Because I spend so much time hiding it (poorly at times) I dont drink everyday but by day 3 or 4 I cannot contain it anymore. I have tried medication and counselling and in my experience none of that works, AA is the way to go but once you leave they all know you have fallen off the wagon and you struggle to bring yourself back even though they will not judge you in anyway. My biggest problem is I am an introvert and dont like dealing with people and its worse when you have to have strangers (who mean well) getting involved in something as personal as addiction.

It will be interesting to see if this works.
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Following. I understand where you are coming from. I've been sober about 6 years. Had my ups and down at first but staying the course now. You'll get there to if you want it. You need to be ready. Once your there mentally a lot of the barriers seem to disappear.
 
i hope you can conquer your alcoholism man.

its the best thing to do. saves you tons of money and makes you alive and not a zombie

i haven't touched alcohol in 20 years man. not even a sip and have zero desire to at all. once you kick the habit its gone forever

its like people who smoke, the mere smell of cigs makes most people ill, but smokers don't understand that
 
poopoobum said:
Introduction:
I have been asked to review and log Semaglutide from @ZenithHealth. I was offered a 10% discount on all future orders but to be honest I would've done it for free. @ZenithHealth has been extremely helpful; explaining what to do and how to go about it and replies extremely fast via evolutionary.org DM. I will be referring to @ZenithHealth as ZH and Semaglutide as Sema from here on.

The Semaglutide comes in a vial but you need to add Bacteriostatic Water which I acquired via an instruction thread ZH had posted, this part was very easy. As per instructions I injected below the navel with Insulin needles I already had and have been doing so every day.

I need to add that I am overweight, suffer from Alcoholism and the reason I mention it is because I have read online that Semaglutide can obviously help with weight management but its also been reported to help with Alcoholism.

I am 6' (182.88cm) and currently 240lb (109kg) and between the age of 35 and 40 and I generally have a decent diet but I pretty much gain 1kg per year as I get older, my drinking consists pretty much of managing to stay sober from Monday to Wednesday, my wife works nights on Thursday, Friday and every second Saturday and Sunday, I drink on the nights she is not home as I have been to rehab twice and cant seem to get the monkey off my back.

I work an office job, my day consists of a 45 minute drive (sitting, duh) then in the office for 8 hours with pretty much sitting followed by a commute home that can be an hour to 1.5hrs, when I get home I sit on the couch most the night ie. I am terribly sedentary.

I used to be a gym rat in my 20's and want to get back to be active as I fear in my older years I will lose balance and strength.

Experience:
By day 3 I can happily announce it ABSOLUTELY works, at least on the eating side of things; I would consume 3 cans of Pepsi Max (a sugar free drink in Australia) and the caffeine in it would suppress my hunger but I would usually feel very hungry by 1500. As I am typing this at 1600 I am not hungry at all, there is a vague feeling hunger but its easily ignorable. I am drinking though (thursday night) but I seem to not be enjoying as I normally do, I can still drink but its more of task.

I will literally have to force myself to eat tonight because If I dont my hangover will be way worse tomorrow whilst at work.

You dont need to read the following as it doesnt really relate to the 'experiment/log'

The Alcoholism:
Probably less interesting but I think it needs to be said; I have attended Rehab twice, after my second time I managed to stay sober for 9 months attending AA 3-4 times a week, this worked well but as anyone with addiction may know, your addiction is sitting in your mind doing push ups waiting for you to come back and when you do it is not a slow start up, you are back EXTREMELY quickly to where you were before, like you never stopped. Because I spend so much time hiding it (poorly at times) I dont drink everyday but by day 3 or 4 I cannot contain it anymore. I have tried medication and counselling and in my experience none of that works, AA is the way to go but once you leave they all know you have fallen off the wagon and you struggle to bring yourself back even though they will not judge you in anyway. My biggest problem is I am an introvert and dont like dealing with people and its worse when you have to have strangers (who mean well) getting involved in something as personal as addiction.

It will be interesting to see if this works.
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@poopoobum welcome to the EVO family bro ;) very happy to have you here sharing and opening up with our family.

poopoobum said:
The Alcoholism:
Probably less interesting but I think it needs to be said; I have attended Rehab twice, after my second time I managed to stay sober for 9 months attending AA 3-4 times a week, this worked well but as anyone with addiction may know, your addiction is sitting in your mind doing push ups waiting for you to come back and when you do it is not a slow start up, you are back EXTREMELY quickly to where you were before, like you never stopped. Because I spend so much time hiding it (poorly at times) I dont drink everyday but by day 3 or 4 I cannot contain it anymore. I have tried medication and counselling and in my experience none of that works, AA is the way to go but once you leave they all know you have fallen off the wagon and you struggle to bring yourself back even though they will not judge you in anyway. My biggest problem is I am an introvert and dont like dealing with people and its worse when you have to have strangers (who mean well) getting involved in something as personal as addiction.
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I'll address this as well bro, I was an alcoholic for years, straight up non stop drinking, ruined my life, but got dry and sober, really AA helped a lot but also training more and really staying dialed in changed my life, sober and dry for years bro and happy as ever
I feel your journey and your pain, i was there my brother

the truth is bro AA is a support group and EVO family is a support group, you will get Love Respect and support with the EVO family so stick around and share

please share a pic of you face blurred, no matter what you look like, EVO family is a no judgement zone full respect

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

Podcast
are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

thank you and share more :)
 
Thank you to all people in recovery that have given me kind words, I will make effort to detail the journey better, will document tonight
 
I cannot take photos tonight as my wife finished at 8pm and I didnt get home from work with my daughter untill 7pm; I will go further into to drinks and calorie intake soon but last night I drank:

Thursday
3 x Hard Lemon Sugar Free
2 x Hahn low carb Beer
1 x Jim Beam Black Double Serve
6 x Great North Original Beer

and ate 3 x Spicy cooked Tuna Sushi Maki Hand roll

and Friday I drank:

4 x Hard Lemon Sugar Free
2 x Great North Original Beer
1 x Jim Beam Black Double Serve

It was struggle to drink, I was unusually bloated, I hadn't eaten but that rarely stops me, interesting if this trajectory continues?

I felt a little bit of nausea around lunch which I couldn't work out if it was some strange Sema withdrawal or some sort of late stage hangover nausea, I pinned myself with Sema and felt better, unsure if this was placebo? Will keep an eye on this as well.

My wife purchased hot chips (fries) and I maybe ate a handful (trying to avoid tomorrows hangover)

Hope to get you guys better documented details tomorrow!
 
From my experience the bloated feeling when it comes to drinking; especially at high doses remains consistent. For me it teaches moderation-- there is only so much I can drink at once.

I used to black out fairly often back in the day from drinking too much too quick, since being on sema it is an absolute struggle to drink to that same degree.
 
poopoobum said:
I cannot take photos tonight as my wife finished at 8pm and I didnt get home from work with my daughter untill 7pm; I will go further into to drinks and calorie intake soon but last night I drank:

Thursday
3 x Hard Lemon Sugar Free
2 x Hahn low carb Beer
1 x Jim Beam Black Double Serve
6 x Great North Original Beer

and ate 3 x Spicy cooked Tuna Sushi Maki Hand roll

and Friday I drank:

4 x Hard Lemon Sugar Free
2 x Great North Original Beer
1 x Jim Beam Black Double Serve

It was struggle to drink, I was unusually bloated, I hadn't eaten but that rarely stops me, interesting if this trajectory continues?

I felt a little bit of nausea around lunch which I couldn't work out if it was some strange Sema withdrawal or some sort of late stage hangover nausea, I pinned myself with Sema and felt better, unsure if this was placebo? Will keep an eye on this as well.

My wife purchased hot chips (fries) and I maybe ate a handful (trying to avoid tomorrows hangover)

Hope to get you guys better documented details tomorrow!
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@poopoobum get some NAC and TUDCA and milk thistle to control the liver issues. That's a must.

Can you start cutting down the alcohol?
 
There's nothing good that comes from drinking. And only bad.
 
Best thing you can do is get rid of alcohol out of your house.

Just don't have it around and don't be around people who drink.
 
This log will be an amazing challenge for you. If you can handle being free of alcohol, then you will be fine.
 
Switch any addiction with weight training.
The gym can be your new addiction and it definitely helps.
 
Appreciate the comments from people about the alcohol but I kinda feel you dont get it, which is fine because if your not an addict you wont, commonsense answers like "dont drink", "Why cant you just stop" etc, this isnt a commonsense thing hence why people drink themselves to death. I was in rehab with Drunks, Junkies and Degenerate Gamblers and we were all in the same boat, it all works exactly the same way. When I watch my 600lb life and I hear them "Im so miserable but when I eat I am so happy" (they all say that) and straigt away I can tell that is Addiction.

I wont keep hammering on about the Drinking, I will list what I drank and ate, the objective was to lose weight and experiment with so called reports that Sema can stop/help with drinking, as time goes on and I if dont get any better with the drinking then I will have my answer.

@Ulter there is no alcohol in my house and I have no friends, I drink at home on my own
@ceo I live in Australia, for a drinking session for me its $60 ($37.88 USD) (it goes up every year with taxes)
 
Here are the photos, I will comment more on them shortly, doing the kid stuff, dinners and baths and stuff at the moment
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Sorry about the piss in the potty, daughters toilet training
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Currently:
I am not going to call it a victory yet but I am 200g lighter, when I ate at lunch I ordered a Curry Katsu Don with rice and only managed to eat half and went to drink again tonight and I could only get through:

1 Hahn Low Carb Beer
1 Jim Beam Black Double Serve
2 Hard Lemon No sugars

This is drop of more than half then my normal drinking pattern, I feel full and bloated and have no PHYSICAL drive to drink anymore.

My wife is home tomorrow night so I cannot drink, its a public holiday Monday and I am going to beach with family so I wont be able drink again until Wednesday, the goal is by Wednesday to talk my self off the ledge and tell myself that if I drink "You will feel bloated, full and lose desire to do so pretty quickly"

The Photos:
I have had those tits since my late 20's, when I was 26 I had a testosterone test and had 'the test levels of an 80 year old man" I was put on a 1000mg test (cant remember would it was called, maybe Testosterone undecanoate?) that could only be administered by a endocrinologist every 3 months (its Australia, we are a nanny state) but had to stop when my wife wanted to fall pregnant and never looked at it again, I am seriously thinking about going on Test E when I start working out, my lest Testosterone test 2 months ago was 'Testosterone 5 nmol/l' to which the GP said was extremely low. (let me know your thoughts on the levels)

I have had different levels Erectile disfunction since I started having sex in my teens to the point now where I cannot get full bar without Cialis or Viagra, My penis size is also below average, even in my teens.

I tell you all this because the endocrinologist swears there is nothing wrong with me (no hormone producing issues or gland issues) yet why would a healthy male at 14 have an issue with an erection? I also cannot grow a beard, my dick is below average AND SHRINKING as the years go on to which I believe is related to the test issue, I grew no body hair until I was in 19 or so. I feel there is something wrong or missing but cant prove it but then you see how low my test is, shouldn't that mean something? I have seen vids of Tranny's (I am not in to dudes or Trannies) saying that they have their testicles removed to shrink their penis, I kind of feel with the lack of test this might be happening to me? (Your thoughts and theories would be great)

Let me know if I am talking to much or if you want me to report weight every day or whatever, I havnt done this before
 
poopoobum said:
Appreciate the comments from people about the alcohol but I kinda feel you dont get it, which is fine because if your not an addict you wont, commonsense answers like "dont drink", "Why cant you just stop" etc, this isnt a commonsense thing hence why people drink themselves to death. I was in rehab with Drunks, Junkies and Degenerate Gamblers and we were all in the same boat, it all works exactly the same way. When I watch my 600lb life and I hear them "Im so miserable but when I eat I am so happy" (they all say that) and straigt away I can tell that is Addiction.

I wont keep hammering on about the Drinking, I will list what I drank and ate, the objective was to lose weight and experiment with so called reports that Sema can stop/help with drinking, as time goes on and I if dont get any better with the drinking then I will have my answer.

@Ulter there is no alcohol in my house and I have no friends, I drink at home on my own
@ceo I live in Australia, for a drinking session for me its $60 ($37.88 USD) (it goes up every year with taxes)
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@poopoobum many of us are recovering alcoholics or drug addicts so we do understand you.
It takes time to change a habit and EVO family will help you :D
 
poopoobum said:
Here are the photos, I will comment more on them shortly, doing the kid stuff, dinners and baths and stuff at the moment
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Sorry about the piss in the potty, daughters toilet training
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poopoobum said:
Currently:
I am not going to call it a victory yet but I am 200g lighter, when I ate at lunch I ordered a Curry Katsu Don with rice and only managed to eat half and went to drink again tonight and I could only get through:

1 Hahn Low Carb Beer
1 Jim Beam Black Double Serve
2 Hard Lemon No sugars

This is drop of more than half then my normal drinking pattern, I feel full and bloated and have no PHYSICAL drive to drink anymore.

My wife is home tomorrow night so I cannot drink, its a public holiday Monday and I am going to beach with family so I wont be able drink again until Wednesday, the goal is by Wednesday to talk my self off the ledge and tell myself that if I drink "You will feel bloated, full and lose desire to do so pretty quickly"

The Photos:
I have had those tits since my late 20's, when I was 26 I had a testosterone test and had 'the test levels of an 80 year old man" I was put on a 1000mg test (cant remember would it was called, maybe Testosterone undecanoate?) that could only be administered by a endocrinologist every 3 months (its Australia, we are a nanny state) but had to stop when my wife wanted to fall pregnant and never looked at it again, I am seriously thinking about going on Test E when I start working out, my lest Testosterone test 2 months ago was 'Testosterone 5 nmol/l' to which the GP said was extremely low. (let me know your thoughts on the levels)

I have had different levels Erectile disfunction since I started having sex in my teens to the point now where I cannot get full bar without Cialis or Viagra, My penis size is also below average, even in my teens.

I tell you all this because the endocrinologist swears there is nothing wrong with me (no hormone producing issues or gland issues) yet why would a healthy male at 14 have an issue with an erection? I also cannot grow a beard, my dick is below average AND SHRINKING as the years go on to which I believe is related to the test issue, I grew no body hair until I was in 19 or so. I feel there is something wrong or missing but cant prove it but then you see how low my test is, shouldn't that mean something? I have seen vids of Tranny's (I am not in to dudes or Trannies) saying that they have their testicles removed to shrink their penis, I kind of feel with the lack of test this might be happening to me? (Your thoughts and theories would be great)

Let me know if I am talking to much or if you want me to report weight every day or whatever, I havnt done this before
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@poopoobum Your pics you have a good base and we can work off of that. It will take time.

The big issue here is the alcohol, is there a way we can talk about limiting the alcohol consumption to lets say 2 drinks per day/

I'm trying to see if we can meet in the middle and start tracking your progress a bit. :D I know its not perfect but lets talk.
 
LevButlerov said:
@poopoobum Your pics you have a good base and we can work off of that. It will take time.

The big issue here is the alcohol, is there a way we can talk about limiting the alcohol consumption to lets say 2 drinks per day/

I'm trying to see if we can meet in the middle and start tracking your progress a bit. :D I know its not perfect but lets talk.
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Thanks for the care, As you can see I have gone from 9-12 drinks in session to just 4, I am pretty happy with that thus far

I woke up at 106.9kg this morning and ZERO hangover :D
 
Keep it up mate! Its great you have well defined goals, and are keeping track of the exact amount of drinks and food you eat everyday, small incremental changes over a long period of time will lead to big results.

In regards to your test levels 5nmol/L is crazy low, im a similar age to you and mine is over 4x that naturally, below 9 means your are considered under the normal range, so judging by that you should definitely jump on something. When they put you on test back in the day did it give you any noticeable physical or mental effects?

Although...1000mg/3 months sounds ridiculously low haha, When I was blasting at one point I was doing 1000mg of Test E every week, I personally dont recommend going that high, you can achieve alot more with alot less using different synergistic compounds, obviously depending on what your bodybuilding goals are.
 
poopoobum said:
Thanks for the care, As you can see I have gone from 9-12 drinks in session to just 4, I am pretty happy with that thus far

I woke up at 106.9kg this morning and ZERO hangover :D
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Its a great start :D full EVO family support for your journey.

Can we try to get down to 3 drinks please? just as a test for a few days. @poopoobum
 
ZenithHealth said:
Keep it up mate! Its great you have well defined goals, and are keeping track of the exact amount of drinks and food you eat everyday, small incremental changes over a long period of time will lead to big results.

In regards to your test levels 5nmol/L is crazy low, im a similar age to you and mine is over 4x that naturally, below 9 means your are considered under the normal range, so judging by that you should definitely jump on something. When they put you on test back in the day did it give you any noticeable physical or mental effects?

Although...1000mg/3 months sounds ridiculously low haha, When I was blasting at one point I was doing 1000mg of Test E every week, I personally dont recommend going that high, you can achieve alot more with alot less using different synergistic compounds, obviously depending on what your bodybuilding goals are.
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Yeah I cant remember how low I was in my late 20's but I did get the "Test of an 80 year old" meme; the 1000mg helped somewhat, my ED got a lot better, not perfect but better, Would love for people to chime in on their thoughts about my life long low test, if anyone has an idea?
 
How do I change my profile pic, that's horrific!
 
Can't wait to see results
 
poopoobum said:
Yeah I cant remember how low I was in my late 20's but I did get the "Test of an 80 year old" meme; the 1000mg helped somewhat, my ED got a lot better, not perfect but better, Would love for people to chime in on their thoughts about my life long low test, if anyone has an idea?
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Low testosterone can be serious, but at your size it's very important we are careful. If you go too high you can cause serious damage.

I would consider self TRT in your case around 100-150mgs testosterone/week @poopoobum but you would need to mod the drinking.
 
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A few more grams down, I am eating once a day (that's all i feel like eating) and maybe half of what I would normally eat i.e. if I was to eat maccas (which I am not eating maccas, just as an example) I would be lucky to get through half a quarter pounder and half a large fries, missus picked up a shift and I drank 3 x light beers and couldn't drink anymore (I have gone from full strength to light beer) The weight side of journey is working, the alcohol consumption side of experiment is working.

According to the Australian Heart foundation; a 6' Male should be 187.5lbs (85 kg) this is what I aiming for, I am not wanting to remain there I just want to prove to myself I can get there (I have not been that light since I was 18, so roughly 20 years), that being said I plan on hitting the weights soon so we will see where it ends up.

speaking initially to @ZenithHealth, he said he can force himself to maintain size on Sema by eating on command, its early days for me but I cant see myself physically doing this, eating has become a bit of chore.
 
Just an observation; it 2131 at night and I was feeling peckish (this hasn't happened so far in the journey) to which I clicked "I havnt had the sema today" Unsure if its meant to revert this quickly or I am just in the early stages and having it???
 
poopoobum said:
Just an observation; it 2131 at night and I was feeling peckish (this hasn't happened so far in the journey) to which I clicked "I havnt had the sema today" Unsure if its meant to revert this quickly or I am just in the early stages and having it???
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You havent been using it for very long so its likely you havent reached peak saturation yet, you are on quite a low dose as well, so every dose you do have initially does matter quite alot. Make sure you don't skip any days if you can help it!
 
poopoobum said:
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A few more grams down, I am eating once a day (that's all i feel like eating) and maybe half of what I would normally eat i.e. if I was to eat maccas (which I am not eating maccas, just as an example) I would be lucky to get through half a quarter pounder and half a large fries, missus picked up a shift and I drank 3 x light beers and couldn't drink anymore (I have gone from full strength to light beer) The weight side of journey is working, the alcohol consumption side of experiment is working.

According to the Australian Heart foundation; a 6' Male should be 187.5lbs (85 kg) this is what I aiming for, I am not wanting to remain there I just want to prove to myself I can get there (I have not been that light since I was 18, so roughly 20 years), that being said I plan on hitting the weights soon so we will see where it ends up.

speaking initially to @ZenithHealth, he said he can force himself to maintain size on Sema by eating on command, its early days for me but I cant see myself physically doing this, eating has become a bit of chore.
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poopoobum said:
Just an observation; it 2131 at night and I was feeling peckish (this hasn't happened so far in the journey) to which I clicked "I havnt had the sema today" Unsure if its meant to revert this quickly or I am just in the early stages and having it???
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@poopoobum so far perfect :D I like your cutting in amounts of food and alcohol.
Can you start modding food a bit? eat a steak or meat for lunch at work?
I would not worry about day in and day out for now, slowly have the dose ED and you'll see you wont be hungry very soon.
 
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Hey Everyone,

Sorry it's been awhile; 2 person office, Sheila I work with is in China for 3 weeks so I am doing 2 peoples jobs.

As you can see, I have lost 5.6kg in 16 days, the drinking situation hasnt changed but I am drinking 4 drinks on the nights I normally drink 8-12 drinks, the experiment with Ozempic FOR ME has not been successful in quitting drinking.

When you are an Alcoholic like myself, it doesn't remove the 'Mental Obsession to drink' I tried another drug Naltraxone before Ozempic and I am taking them together now since thursday (another experiment), to give you an example of the stupidity of situation; I can barely get through 2 drinks, then I might throw up a little bit but then I will sip slowly through the next 2 cans and can stop after that, anyone with a brain would stop after they had thrown up, I cant; hence the 'mental obsession to drink'.

Obviously the net positives are I am no longer consuming large amounts of alcohol, I am not waking up hung over, I am visibly slimmer, my face is slimmer which makes me happy.

Eating is kinda non existent, I eat once a day and its dinner and I might get through half if not a quarter, my favourite dish is Rare Slice Beef Pho and I can get through that but thats a soup with a ton of noodles. It amazes me ZH has said he can eat on command, I couldn't see myself doing that.

I will do a body reveal at 100kg.

Thanks to everyone for their support, I had an incident where I up'd my dose to 10 units of the Ozempic and was grossly ill, @ZenithHealth replied promptly offered advice and even checked up on me, great dude!

I am currently on 7 units.
 
Wow, losing 5.6kg in 16 days is a very very good effort, definitely keep it up!

Yeah after a few months of using sema you really get a feel for the exact right dosage that isnt overbearing, the first few month's the drug feels extremely powerful and very difficult to control, where as when you have more experience with it I find its easier to hit that sweet spot where food is not on your mind at all, but if you wanted to pig out at an all you can eat korean bbq u definitely still can (although you definitely cant eat as much as before haha).

Im glad to hear you are feeling better, as a rule of thumb never increase your dose suddenly by large volumes id recommend the maximum increase of dosage to be by 20% or less. If you do too much too quickly you can absolutely feel nauseous for a long time, luckily you are doing daily injections, if you did weekly and increased your dose by such a large amount suddenly you would have felt even worse and for a lot longer than just 1 day.

Great update!
 
poopoobum said:
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Hey Everyone,

Sorry it's been awhile; 2 person office, Sheila I work with is in China for 3 weeks so I am doing 2 peoples jobs.

As you can see, I have lost 5.6kg in 16 days, the drinking situation hasnt changed but I am drinking 4 drinks on the nights I normally drink 8-12 drinks, the experiment with Ozempic FOR ME has not been successful in quitting drinking.

When you are an Alcoholic like myself, it doesn't remove the 'Mental Obsession to drink' I tried another drug Naltraxone before Ozempic and I am taking them together now since thursday (another experiment), to give you an example of the stupidity of situation; I can barely get through 2 drinks, then I might throw up a little bit but then I will sip slowly through the next 2 cans and can stop after that, anyone with a brain would stop after they had thrown up, I cant; hence the 'mental obsession to drink'.

Obviously the net positives are I am no longer consuming large amounts of alcohol, I am not waking up hung over, I am visibly slimmer, my face is slimmer which makes me happy.

Eating is kinda non existent, I eat once a day and its dinner and I might get through half if not a quarter, my favourite dish is Rare Slice Beef Pho and I can get through that but thats a soup with a ton of noodles. It amazes me ZH has said he can eat on command, I couldn't see myself doing that.

I will do a body reveal at 100kg.

Thanks to everyone for their support, I had an incident where I up'd my dose to 10 units of the Ozempic and was grossly ill, @ZenithHealth replied promptly offered advice and even checked up on me, great dude!

I am currently on 7 units.
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@poopoobum happy to see you back updating the EVO family :D
5.6kgs is a great amount lost, amazing results, congrats!
For the drinking, the drug combo seems to be working well.
do you feel you can move down to 1 drink/day?
 
LevButlerov said:
@poopoobum happy to see you back updating the EVO family :D
5.6kgs is a great amount lost, amazing results, congrats!
For the drinking, the drug combo seems to be working well.
do you feel you can move down to 1 drink/day?
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Thanks man,

I am going to attempt 2 drinks and see if it curbs my 'seeking behavior'
 
I haven't taken photos but its Sunday and I have been 102kg since I woke up yesterday. I am on half a tablet of Naltrexone (I will get the dosage the next time I get my script) per day and 10 units of the Sema, I purchase 3 drinks, 2 x 'zero carb' beers and a Hard Lemon Zero sugar, I can drink 1-1.5 of the beers and then need to to toss it and then I might get through half of the Lemon Drink. I am seeing more and more articles regarding Sema being a way to 'Help Alcoholics' In MY experience; I am still acting like an Alcoholic, I have an insatiable need to drink but the only difference is I cannot drink that much and it is starting to produce a thought pattern of "what's the point?"

It will be interesting to see if continued 'involuntary semi abstinence' will continue the "what's the point?" thought process as the longer you are away from using; you will create new habits and though processes and staying sober will be a lot easier.

Eating is pretty abysmal, not that I eat Maccas often but I had to sum up what I can eat in an average meal of any food it would be half a quater pounder and half the fries, some times even less, I find greasier food is a lot harder to eat, soups and/or noodle soups go down well, Plain rice is a good too.

So the take away or TLDR is: Drinking roughly 1.5ish drinks a day (down from 8-12), losing weight consistently but eating is pretty bad.
 
poopoobum said:
I haven't taken photos but its Sunday and I have been 102kg since I woke up yesterday. I am on half a tablet of Naltrexone (I will get the dosage the next time I get my script) per day and 10 units of the Sema, I purchase 3 drinks, 2 x 'zero carb' beers and a Hard Lemon Zero sugar, I can drink 1-1.5 of the beers and then need to to toss it and then I might get through half of the Lemon Drink. I am seeing more and more articles regarding Sema being a way to 'Help Alcoholics' In MY experience; I am still acting like an Alcoholic, I have an insatiable need to drink but the only difference is I cannot drink that much and it is starting to produce a thought pattern of "what's the point?"

It will be interesting to see if continued 'involuntary semi abstinence' will continue the "what's the point?" thought process as the longer you are away from using; you will create new habits and though processes and staying sober will be a lot easier.

Eating is pretty abysmal, not that I eat Maccas often but I had to sum up what I can eat in an average meal of any food it would be half a quater pounder and half the fries, some times even less, I find greasier food is a lot harder to eat, soups and/or noodle soups go down well, Plain rice is a good too.

So the take away or TLDR is: Drinking roughly 1.5ish drinks a day (down from 8-12), losing weight consistently but eating is pretty bad.
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@poopoobum to start well done!!! at least you're cutting down drinks bro already a start
can we talk about adding a bit of cardio in AM faster? can you do that? maybe 10-15min treadmill empty stomach
also can you add protein bars? 1-2 times per day
 
poopoobum said:
I haven't taken photos but its Sunday and I have been 102kg since I woke up yesterday. I am on half a tablet of Naltrexone (I will get the dosage the next time I get my script) per day and 10 units of the Sema, I purchase 3 drinks, 2 x 'zero carb' beers and a Hard Lemon Zero sugar, I can drink 1-1.5 of the beers and then need to to toss it and then I might get through half of the Lemon Drink. I am seeing more and more articles regarding Sema being a way to 'Help Alcoholics' In MY experience; I am still acting like an Alcoholic, I have an insatiable need to drink but the only difference is I cannot drink that much and it is starting to produce a thought pattern of "what's the point?"

It will be interesting to see if continued 'involuntary semi abstinence' will continue the "what's the point?" thought process as the longer you are away from using; you will create new habits and though processes and staying sober will be a lot easier.

Eating is pretty abysmal, not that I eat Maccas often but I had to sum up what I can eat in an average meal of any food it would be half a quater pounder and half the fries, some times even less, I find greasier food is a lot harder to eat, soups and/or noodle soups go down well, Plain rice is a good too.

So the take away or TLDR is: Drinking roughly 1.5ish drinks a day (down from 8-12), losing weight consistently but eating is pretty bad.
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Great reduction in overall calorie and alcohol intake!

I think because you have built up such a consistent habit of drinking over such a long period of time, that it will take quite some effort and abit of time to completely break it, once you get down to 0 drinks per day for a few weeks I do believe it will get easier, the good news is it sounds like you arent enjoying the drinks very much at all, so it does become easier to kick the habit over time if you are not only not enjoying the taste, but also not even enjoying the experience!
 
ZenithHealth said:
Great reduction in overall calorie and alcohol intake!

I think because you have built up such a consistent habit of drinking over such a long period of time, that it will take quite some effort and abit of time to completely break it, once you get down to 0 drinks per day for a few weeks I do believe it will get easier, the good news is it sounds like you arent enjoying the drinks very much at all, so it does become easier to kick the habit over time if you are not only not enjoying the taste, but also not even enjoying the experience!
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For sure this will take time but I think @poopoobum can do it.
 
Good News and Bad News (maybe?)

I didn't drink for the last 2 days because in my mind I was able to say to myself "Whats the point" I am getting nothing from Alcohol anymore, I cant drink enough to get a buzz. It seems the Naltrexone and the Ozempic together is making a dent?

The Bad news (if you can call it that) is that at 10 Units (which Im sure ZH will chime in) I am getting hungry again, I can only eat small meals but its seems my body is wanting more of it. A frozen lean cuisine Spaghetti (or frozen meal equivalent in any variety) seems to be the sweet spot on meal size. I have been eating more and I am too scared to look at the scale (I will check tomorrow) I will probably need to count calories again and maybe limit my self to 1000 cals a day to get keep the progress up.

If you can remember only a week ago I was saying I cant see myself eating (to which I was a little worried about once I got to light) but now its becoming easier.

@LevButlerov has been persistent with telling me to exercise and my coworker is finally back from China so I am going to try and do that tomorrow morning. (Thanks Lev)

Interesting ride thus far!
 
poopoobum said:
Good News and Bad News (maybe?)

I didn't drink for the last 2 days because in my mind I was able to say to myself "Whats the point" I am getting nothing from Alcohol anymore, I cant drink enough to get a buzz. It seems the Naltrexone and the Ozempic together is making a dent?

The Bad news (if you can call it that) is that at 10 Units (which Im sure ZH will chime in) I am getting hungry again, I can only eat small meals but its seems my body is wanting more of it. A frozen lean cuisine Spaghetti (or frozen meal equivalent in any variety) seems to be the sweet spot on meal size. I have been eating more and I am too scared to look at the scale (I will check tomorrow) I will probably need to count calories again and maybe limit my self to 1000 cals a day to get keep the progress up.

If you can remember only a week ago I was saying I cant see myself eating (to which I was a little worried about once I got to light) but now its becoming easier.

@LevButlerov has been persistent with telling me to exercise and my coworker is finally back from China so I am going to try and do that tomorrow morning. (Thanks Lev)

Interesting ride thus far!
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Great work on hitting 0 drinks! Your body and mind will definitely thank you!

You have been on Sema for about a month now, its very normal at this point for the tolerance to build up quite quickly and then plateau, you really should be feeling very little food motivation/ hunger, I would recommend increasing dose to 12 units and keeping it at that level for at least 4 days, if you still feel quite abit of hunger and food motivation, you should increase again by the same amount for the same period.

I personally am currently on 20 units per day and I weigh a fair bit less than you, so tolerance definitely builds up quickly over the first month or two but then it stays consistent for a long time.
 
poopoobum said:
Good News and Bad News (maybe?)

I didn't drink for the last 2 days because in my mind I was able to say to myself "Whats the point" I am getting nothing from Alcohol anymore, I cant drink enough to get a buzz. It seems the Naltrexone and the Ozempic together is making a dent?

The Bad news (if you can call it that) is that at 10 Units (which Im sure ZH will chime in) I am getting hungry again, I can only eat small meals but its seems my body is wanting more of it. A frozen lean cuisine Spaghetti (or frozen meal equivalent in any variety) seems to be the sweet spot on meal size. I have been eating more and I am too scared to look at the scale (I will check tomorrow) I will probably need to count calories again and maybe limit my self to 1000 cals a day to get keep the progress up.

If you can remember only a week ago I was saying I cant see myself eating (to which I was a little worried about once I got to light) but now its becoming easier.

@LevButlerov has been persistent with telling me to exercise and my coworker is finally back from China so I am going to try and do that tomorrow morning. (Thanks Lev)

Interesting ride thus far!
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WOW! amazing @poopoobum bro EVO family proud of you, big love and support ;) as a recovered alcoholic personally i feel you bro

i think with your situation, the main part is drinking bro once you level that, we can work on food more
have you tried psyllium husk? and probiotics? add them please

also lets get training in and cardio even at home bro lets do this PUSH PUSH PUSH EVO family support

@ZenithHealth you got retatrutide bro? you should get it for OP here
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
WOW! amazing @poopoobum bro EVO family proud of you, big love and support ;) as a recovered alcoholic personally i feel you bro

i think with your situation, the main part is drinking bro once you level that, we can work on food more
have you tried psyllium husk? and probiotics? add them please

also lets get training in and cardio even at home bro lets do this PUSH PUSH PUSH EVO family support

@ZenithHealth you got retatrutide bro? you should get it for OP here
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I don't have retatrutide currently, I am waiting on a new shipment to come in so I can try it myself first, I never sell anything I haven't tried myself, which is why currently I am only selling Sema, but watch this space as that might change in the future!
 
My man trust me I have not touched alcohol in about 20 years and I have zero desire to

It's not only a waste of money but it adds nothing to you or gives you any benefits it's just a bunch of bullshit
 
Bro, you got a nice tight physique, I don't care what anyone says.
I would have my way with you in prison if we were sharing the same cell.
 
Good to hear that you're on the right track.

We want to see you succeed.
 
Trust me when I say that you will definitely be shocked at how much results you get. We are excited to help you.
 
Make sure you keep us updated with any meals that you are eating.

Food pictures are important.
 
You need to cut out the frozen food in the process, junk. Eat only good clean meals.
 
Meal prepping is easy to do.

Check out the other Logs and watch how guys are doing it.
 
Don't worry, we will get you where you need to go. Just stick with us and listen.
 
We will hold you accountable but you've got to post them more info about your diet.

Don't just post your Macros. We want to know what you're eating. And what you're drinking.
 
I think all the replies here offering encouragement are awesome to see, but I believe that in the best interests of @poopoobum, we shouldn't go overboard with the critiscms.

What I mean is that, as many of us know, it took years of hard work, dedication, and mindfulness to get to where we are in terms of our physique. From his first post, it seems like he's just at the beginning of his journey. When someone makes life-changing adjustments, it's not easy to make multiple big changes at once. Sure, in a perfect world, it would be amazing if he could immediately start lifting weights five times a week, cut out all unhealthy eating, and drink zero alcohol every week. The list goes on. But we are all human, and we need to start small and build over time.

He’s a father of young children and sounds like he has a demanding job. In my opinion, he has already made great progress in a short amount of time. However, many of the comments here, while well-intentioned, might make him feel like he hasn’t achieved as much as he actually has and he needs to do alot more or he won't get to where he wants to go. In reality, the changes he has already made are leading him there.

I think we should focus on celebrating his positive, incremental progress and of course encourage him to do more, but lets not push him beyond his current limits, as that could lead to burnout and potentially undo all the great progress he's done thus far.

I might be off the mark here, so I’d love to hear @poopoobum's thoughts on the matter.
 
BodyMonster34 said:
Bro, you got a nice tight physique, I don't care what anyone says.
I would have my way with you in prison if we were sharing the same cell.
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cool story....
 
ZenithHealth said:
I think all the replies here offering encouragement are awesome to see, but I believe that in the best interests of @poopoobum, we shouldn't go overboard with the critiscms.

What I mean is that, as many of us know, it took years of hard work, dedication, and mindfulness to get to where we are in terms of our physique. From his first post, it seems like he's just at the beginning of his journey. When someone makes life-changing adjustments, it's not easy to make multiple big changes at once. Sure, in a perfect world, it would be amazing if he could immediately start lifting weights five times a week, cut out all unhealthy eating, and drink zero alcohol every week. The list goes on. But we are all human, and we need to start small and build over time.

He’s a father of young children and sounds like he has a demanding job. In my opinion, he has already made great progress in a short amount of time. However, many of the comments here, while well-intentioned, might make him feel like he hasn’t achieved as much as he actually has and he needs to do alot more or he won't get to where he wants to go. In reality, the changes he has already made are leading him there.

I think we should focus on celebrating his positive, incremental progress and of course encourage him to do more, but lets not push him beyond his current limits, as that could lead to burnout and potentially undo all the great progress he's done thus far.

I might be off the mark here, so I’d love to hear @poopoobum's thoughts on the matter.
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hmmmm... its hard to say something without offending anyone, I was asked to do a 'report' by @ZenithHealth as he was my supplier and I do appreciate the support I have got. I guess I wasnt ready for 'enthusiasm' from some folks. I did this because I read multiple articles of Ozempic being used to combat alcoholism and really thats what this report is about. I am currently 101.3kg which is great, I am happy with that figure and I want to lose more weight, everybody IRL has said I look better and I would love to get back in to hitting the weights as well too but I think that might have to wait for now, I own 3 trucks and cannot drive any of them and I am soon to be unemployed so my goal at the moment is to try and stay sober and learn to drive my trucks because I am very soon going to need them to survive.

I noticed a few comments about my diet; I pretty much eat one meal a day at the moment, it consists mostly of asian food as my wife is from that part of the world, I drink 3 or so cans of Pepsi Max (sugar free cola) at work. I have started shooting 500mg of test ethanoate as if you had read my previous posts my test level was at 5.0 nmol/L. My sex drive and ability to maintain an erection has improved from this so I happy with that result as well.

For full transparency which I think is extremely important in this 'experiment' I drank again this weekend, more than I have in the previous weeks, I believe this could be from building up tolerance to the Sema which ZH advised I should increase which I slowly am. So far I would argue Sema, Naltraxone and using both together will not crush the 'mental obsession to drink' I had previously stated I had gained a mindset of 'what is the point' This came out of not being able to keep the alcohol down yet a few days later I drank again and was able to keep down 5-6 drinks.

If i was to try and find a net positive from taking them I would argue it might be effective for early stage addiction but I have been an addict for a solid 10 years now. I still think programs like Alcohol Anonymous would be the better route but it is time I dont have at the moment.

I also fully appreciate this forum is not a 'Quit drinking forum' and a bodybuilding forum so excuse me if anyone feels this is not relevant to them. Maybe in time I will wake up and get on the path that you all expect me to be on and for now, please continue with your comments, they are not lost on me!

(@ZenithHealth thanks for your understanding in the matter)
 
poopoobum said:
hmmmm... its hard to say something without offending anyone, I was asked to do a 'report' by @ZenithHealth as he was my supplier and I do appreciate the support I have got. I guess I wasnt ready for 'enthusiasm' from some folks. I did this because I read multiple articles of Ozempic being used to combat alcoholism and really thats what this report is about. I am currently 101.3kg which is great, I am happy with that figure and I want to lose more weight, everybody IRL has said I look better and I would love to get back in to hitting the weights as well too but I think that might have to wait for now, I own 3 trucks and cannot drive any of them and I am soon to be unemployed so my goal at the moment is to try and stay sober and learn to drive my trucks because I am very soon going to need them to survive.

I noticed a few comments about my diet; I pretty much eat one meal a day at the moment, it consists mostly of asian food as my wife is from that part of the world, I drink 3 or so cans of Pepsi Max (sugar free cola) at work. I have started shooting 500mg of test ethanoate as if you had read my previous posts my test level was at 5.0 nmol/L. My sex drive and ability to maintain an erection has improved from this so I happy with that result as well.

For full transparency which I think is extremely important in this 'experiment' I drank again this weekend, more than I have in the previous weeks, I believe this could be from building up tolerance to the Sema which ZH advised I should increase which I slowly am. So far I would argue Sema, Naltraxone and using both together will not crush the 'mental obsession to drink' I had previously stated I had gained a mindset of 'what is the point' This came out of not being able to keep the alcohol down yet a few days later I drank again and was able to keep down 5-6 drinks.

If i was to try and find a net positive from taking them I would argue it might be effective for early stage addiction but I have been an addict for a solid 10 years now. I still think programs like Alcohol Anonymous would be the better route but it is time I dont have at the moment.

I also fully appreciate this forum is not a 'Quit drinking forum' and a bodybuilding forum so excuse me if anyone feels this is not relevant to them. Maybe in time I will wake up and get on the path that you all expect me to be on and for now, please continue with your comments, they are not lost on me!

(@ZenithHealth thanks for your understanding in the matter)
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I just want to say thank you for being so transparent and open about your journey, when I asked you to do a logging I didn't realise it'd be so heartfelt. I really appreciate your honesty in sharing both the highs and the challenges you're facing. The path you're on isn't an easy one, and I admire your commitment to both your health and your personal circumstances.

As for the experiment with Sema and Naltraxone, I understand it's been a mix of positive changes and difficult moments. The complexities of long-term addiction and recovery are tough, and I know that things like these require time, adjustments, and patience. It's important to keep listening to your body and adjusting as you go along.

I’m glad to hear that the test has had positive effects on your sex drive and well-being in some areas. Regarding the alcohol cravings and the effects of the meds, I agree that it might take a bit more time to find the right balance that works for you. Recovery isn’t linear, and there’s no one-size-fits-all solution, so don’t be hard on yourself for the setbacks. You’re doing the best you can with the tools at hand.

I completely respect your decision to focus on staying sober and getting your trucks ready for the future—it sounds like a lot is riding on that, and your priorities are clear. Keep at it, and know that we're here to support you, no matter where you're at in the process.

And please don’t apologize for sharing your experience here. I think it’s important for everyone to recognize that health and fitness aren't just about physical gains, but mental well-being too. Whether it's bodybuilding, recovery, or anything else, it all ties together.

As long as you are doing better today than you were yesterday, that's a win in my book :)
 
poopoobum said:
hmmmm... its hard to say something without offending anyone, I was asked to do a 'report' by @ZenithHealth as he was my supplier and I do appreciate the support I have got. I guess I wasnt ready for 'enthusiasm' from some folks. I did this because I read multiple articles of Ozempic being used to combat alcoholism and really thats what this report is about. I am currently 101.3kg which is great, I am happy with that figure and I want to lose more weight, everybody IRL has said I look better and I would love to get back in to hitting the weights as well too but I think that might have to wait for now, I own 3 trucks and cannot drive any of them and I am soon to be unemployed so my goal at the moment is to try and stay sober and learn to drive my trucks because I am very soon going to need them to survive.

I noticed a few comments about my diet; I pretty much eat one meal a day at the moment, it consists mostly of asian food as my wife is from that part of the world, I drink 3 or so cans of Pepsi Max (sugar free cola) at work. I have started shooting 500mg of test ethanoate as if you had read my previous posts my test level was at 5.0 nmol/L. My sex drive and ability to maintain an erection has improved from this so I happy with that result as well.

For full transparency which I think is extremely important in this 'experiment' I drank again this weekend, more than I have in the previous weeks, I believe this could be from building up tolerance to the Sema which ZH advised I should increase which I slowly am. So far I would argue Sema, Naltraxone and using both together will not crush the 'mental obsession to drink' I had previously stated I had gained a mindset of 'what is the point' This came out of not being able to keep the alcohol down yet a few days later I drank again and was able to keep down 5-6 drinks.

If i was to try and find a net positive from taking them I would argue it might be effective for early stage addiction but I have been an addict for a solid 10 years now. I still think programs like Alcohol Anonymous would be the better route but it is time I dont have at the moment.

I also fully appreciate this forum is not a 'Quit drinking forum' and a bodybuilding forum so excuse me if anyone feels this is not relevant to them. Maybe in time I will wake up and get on the path that you all expect me to be on and for now, please continue with your comments, they are not lost on me!

(@ZenithHealth thanks for your understanding in the matter)
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@poopoobum thank you for being open with the EVO family :D its good to see you really trying to change your life no matter how you are approaching it.

I have a question, is it possible to do basic exercises at home? even with 1-2 drinks? lets say knee push ups and planks.
You can start somewhere at least.
And if you are going to have financial issues and cant drive your trucks, maybe time to reassess your life and do something a bit more drastic. Especially if you have financial issues tied to drinking.

I was drinking heavy in the past so I feel your pain, but you need to make that step to change. EVO family is here to support and help you.
 
ZenithHealth said:
I just want to say thank you for being so transparent and open about your journey, when I asked you to do a logging I didn't realise it'd be so heartfelt. I really appreciate your honesty in sharing both the highs and the challenges you're facing. The path you're on isn't an easy one, and I admire your commitment to both your health and your personal circumstances.

As for the experiment with Sema and Naltraxone, I understand it's been a mix of positive changes and difficult moments. The complexities of long-term addiction and recovery are tough, and I know that things like these require time, adjustments, and patience. It's important to keep listening to your body and adjusting as you go along.

I’m glad to hear that the test has had positive effects on your sex drive and well-being in some areas. Regarding the alcohol cravings and the effects of the meds, I agree that it might take a bit more time to find the right balance that works for you. Recovery isn’t linear, and there’s no one-size-fits-all solution, so don’t be hard on yourself for the setbacks. You’re doing the best you can with the tools at hand.

I completely respect your decision to focus on staying sober and getting your trucks ready for the future—it sounds like a lot is riding on that, and your priorities are clear. Keep at it, and know that we're here to support you, no matter where you're at in the process.

And please don’t apologize for sharing your experience here. I think it’s important for everyone to recognize that health and fitness aren't just about physical gains, but mental well-being too. Whether it's bodybuilding, recovery, or anything else, it all ties together.

As long as you are doing better today than you were yesterday, that's a win in my book :)
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You are the most honest guy I've seen trying to help, very honorable @ZenithHealth
 
LevButlerov said:
You are the most honest guy I've seen trying to help, very honorable @ZenithHealth
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Cheers mate, I know how difficult it can be to sustain consistent positive change, everyone tells you what worked for them and sometimes what they recommend doesn't work that well for you. Its about trial and error and finding what works best for yourself and having the willpower and discipline to follow through with it.
 
ZenithHealth said:
Cheers mate, I know how difficult it can be to sustain consistent positive change, everyone tells you what worked for them and sometimes what they recommend doesn't work that well for you. Its about trial and error and finding what works best for yourself and having the willpower and discipline to follow through with it.
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Your tried your best and thats honorable, all you can do with @poopoobum
 
No alcohol
 
Hey All,

@ZenithHealth has been wonderful, he has been a guiding hand, no pressure, showed understanding. He is not (as far as I know a medical professional) but he is helpful, quick to reply and if you have read his previous posts; EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE. I have reached double digits, as to be expected, I eat very little, I do seem to have some trouble from time to time from nausea but generally speaking it has been tolerable. On the Alcoholic side of the experiment, I would say it doesnt work in relation to a complete stop of drinking. To give you an example: I will drink maybe 3-4 drinks, most of those drinks are a hassel to consume, I will try to force them down and will end up throwing them up but it will not deter me from drinking.

I am trying to think of real world use case of using Sema to treat Alcoholism/Addiction, a part of me says maybe short stay patients (less than 30 days) but as I mentioned I have been in rehab twice; if you participated and attend meetings after you have left then Sema would probably be pointless. Another problem there would be addicts entering a rehab/dryout facility and already being in poor health as when you are a full blown drunk you probably haven't been eating properly anyway.

The only thing one gains from Sema and Naltrexone working together is an inability to drink excessively but it absolutely does not stop the "Mental Obsession to drink"

I am drinking less, maybe this is good thing? I just dont think its a cure. I have said it time and time again, I am going to start hitting the weights, if I achieve this then maybe the whole experiment is a good thing? Time will tell?

(anyone notice how asymmetrical my back is? maybe scoliosis?)
 

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poopoobum said:
Hey All,

@ZenithHealth has been wonderful, he has been a guiding hand, no pressure, showed understanding. He is not (as far as I know a medical professional) but he is helpful, quick to reply and if you have read his previous posts; EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE. I have reached double digits, as to be expected, I eat very little, I do seem to have some trouble from time to time from nausea but generally speaking it has been tolerable. On the Alcoholic side of the experiment, I would say it doesnt work in relation to a complete stop of drinking. To give you an example: I will drink maybe 3-4 drinks, most of those drinks are a hassel to consume, I will try to force them down and will end up throwing them up but it will not deter me from drinking.

I am trying to think of real world use case of using Sema to treat Alcoholism/Addiction, a part of me says maybe short stay patients (less than 30 days) but as I mentioned I have been in rehab twice; if you participated and attend meetings after you have left then Sema would probably be pointless. Another problem there would be addicts entering a rehab/dryout facility and already being in poor health as when you are a full blown drunk you probably haven't been eating properly anyway.

The only thing one gains from Sema and Naltrexone working together is an inability to drink excessively but it absolutely does not stop the "Mental Obsession to drink"

I am drinking less, maybe this is good thing? I just dont think its a cure. I have said it time and time again, I am going to start hitting the weights, if I achieve this then maybe the whole experiment is a good thing? Time will tell?

(anyone notice how asymmetrical my back is? maybe scoliosis?)
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@poopoobum great to see you back bro ;) happy to see you drinking less, inability to drink to excessively is a good thing

i checked your original photos and this, look like you've actually dropped weight, how much weight did you lose?
 
Work on, strengthening your back. That will go a long way.

But you also have to work on flexibility and Mobility.
 
Look into hot yoga.
It will help straighten out your spine because that's not good for you long term.
 
Until you stop to drinking, you're never gonna reach your goals.
You gotta figure out how you're going to do it.
 
I would set a goal to stop drinking. It doesn't have any purpose and no health benefits.
 
Alcoholics will always justify a reason to drink.

You've got to get away from it and you've got to every time you get the urge do something else. Maybe go for a walk.
 
poopoobum said:
Hey All,

@ZenithHealth has been wonderful, he has been a guiding hand, no pressure, showed understanding. He is not (as far as I know a medical professional) but he is helpful, quick to reply and if you have read his previous posts; EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE. I have reached double digits, as to be expected, I eat very little, I do seem to have some trouble from time to time from nausea but generally speaking it has been tolerable. On the Alcoholic side of the experiment, I would say it doesnt work in relation to a complete stop of drinking. To give you an example: I will drink maybe 3-4 drinks, most of those drinks are a hassel to consume, I will try to force them down and will end up throwing them up but it will not deter me from drinking.

I am trying to think of real world use case of using Sema to treat Alcoholism/Addiction, a part of me says maybe short stay patients (less than 30 days) but as I mentioned I have been in rehab twice; if you participated and attend meetings after you have left then Sema would probably be pointless. Another problem there would be addicts entering a rehab/dryout facility and already being in poor health as when you are a full blown drunk you probably haven't been eating properly anyway.

The only thing one gains from Sema and Naltrexone working together is an inability to drink excessively but it absolutely does not stop the "Mental Obsession to drink"

I am drinking less, maybe this is good thing? I just dont think its a cure. I have said it time and time again, I am going to start hitting the weights, if I achieve this then maybe the whole experiment is a good thing? Time will tell?

(anyone notice how asymmetrical my back is? maybe scoliosis?)
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@poopoobum it’s a start that you are drinking less man but give it up for good. You will feel so much better and we are all rooting for you.
 
poopoobum said:
Hey All,

@ZenithHealth has been wonderful, he has been a guiding hand, no pressure, showed understanding. He is not (as far as I know a medical professional) but he is helpful, quick to reply and if you have read his previous posts; EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE. I have reached double digits, as to be expected, I eat very little, I do seem to have some trouble from time to time from nausea but generally speaking it has been tolerable. On the Alcoholic side of the experiment, I would say it doesnt work in relation to a complete stop of drinking. To give you an example: I will drink maybe 3-4 drinks, most of those drinks are a hassel to consume, I will try to force them down and will end up throwing them up but it will not deter me from drinking.

I am trying to think of real world use case of using Sema to treat Alcoholism/Addiction, a part of me says maybe short stay patients (less than 30 days) but as I mentioned I have been in rehab twice; if you participated and attend meetings after you have left then Sema would probably be pointless. Another problem there would be addicts entering a rehab/dryout facility and already being in poor health as when you are a full blown drunk you probably haven't been eating properly anyway.

The only thing one gains from Sema and Naltrexone working together is an inability to drink excessively but it absolutely does not stop the "Mental Obsession to drink"

I am drinking less, maybe this is good thing? I just dont think its a cure. I have said it time and time again, I am going to start hitting the weights, if I achieve this then maybe the whole experiment is a good thing? Time will tell?

(anyone notice how asymmetrical my back is? maybe scoliosis?)
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Thanks for the kind words mate!

Honestly well done dropping over 10kg in such a short amount of time, you should definitely be proud of yourself about that, keep it up! Also, do you have a goal weight in mind?

In regards to the drinking yeah Sema just helps with the physical side of things when it comes to alcohol, it absolutely will make it harder to drink by making you feel more bloated etc. if your heart is set on having a drink, it is definitely possible to push through the nausea, you are saying you are only having about 3-4 drinks, so even though its not stopping you from drinking at least it seems its helping keep your consumption levels way down, how much were you drinking a day on average before sema?
 
poopoobum said:
Hey All,

@ZenithHealth has been wonderful, he has been a guiding hand, no pressure, showed understanding. He is not (as far as I know a medical professional) but he is helpful, quick to reply and if you have read his previous posts; EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE. I have reached double digits, as to be expected, I eat very little, I do seem to have some trouble from time to time from nausea but generally speaking it has been tolerable. On the Alcoholic side of the experiment, I would say it doesnt work in relation to a complete stop of drinking. To give you an example: I will drink maybe 3-4 drinks, most of those drinks are a hassel to consume, I will try to force them down and will end up throwing them up but it will not deter me from drinking.

I am trying to think of real world use case of using Sema to treat Alcoholism/Addiction, a part of me says maybe short stay patients (less than 30 days) but as I mentioned I have been in rehab twice; if you participated and attend meetings after you have left then Sema would probably be pointless. Another problem there would be addicts entering a rehab/dryout facility and already being in poor health as when you are a full blown drunk you probably haven't been eating properly anyway.

The only thing one gains from Sema and Naltrexone working together is an inability to drink excessively but it absolutely does not stop the "Mental Obsession to drink"

I am drinking less, maybe this is good thing? I just dont think its a cure. I have said it time and time again, I am going to start hitting the weights, if I achieve this then maybe the whole experiment is a good thing? Time will tell?

(anyone notice how asymmetrical my back is? maybe scoliosis?)
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@poopoobum Hell yeah bro keep it going looking forward to seeing your progress!
 
poopoobum said:
Hey All,

@ZenithHealth has been wonderful, he has been a guiding hand, no pressure, showed understanding. He is not (as far as I know a medical professional) but he is helpful, quick to reply and if you have read his previous posts; EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE. I have reached double digits, as to be expected, I eat very little, I do seem to have some trouble from time to time from nausea but generally speaking it has been tolerable. On the Alcoholic side of the experiment, I would say it doesnt work in relation to a complete stop of drinking. To give you an example: I will drink maybe 3-4 drinks, most of those drinks are a hassel to consume, I will try to force them down and will end up throwing them up but it will not deter me from drinking.

I am trying to think of real world use case of using Sema to treat Alcoholism/Addiction, a part of me says maybe short stay patients (less than 30 days) but as I mentioned I have been in rehab twice; if you participated and attend meetings after you have left then Sema would probably be pointless. Another problem there would be addicts entering a rehab/dryout facility and already being in poor health as when you are a full blown drunk you probably haven't been eating properly anyway.

The only thing one gains from Sema and Naltrexone working together is an inability to drink excessively but it absolutely does not stop the "Mental Obsession to drink"

I am drinking less, maybe this is good thing? I just dont think its a cure. I have said it time and time again, I am going to start hitting the weights, if I achieve this then maybe the whole experiment is a good thing? Time will tell?

(anyone notice how asymmetrical my back is? maybe scoliosis?)
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@poopoobum Bro you should try yoga......
 
Good to hear
 
ZenithHealth said:
Thanks for the kind words mate!

Honestly well done dropping over 10kg in such a short amount of time, you should definitely be proud of yourself about that, keep it up! Also, do you have a goal weight in mind?

In regards to the drinking yeah Sema just helps with the physical side of things when it comes to alcohol, it absolutely will make it harder to drink by making you feel more bloated etc. if your heart is set on having a drink, it is definitely possible to push through the nausea, you are saying you are only having about 3-4 drinks, so even though its not stopping you from drinking at least it seems its helping keep your consumption levels way down, how much were you drinking a day on average before sema?
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In a session I was drinking 8-12 drinks, most days I can drink 2-3 since on the Sema. Obviously I was hoping for a miracle cure but this doesnt seem the case. I am trying to think of a real world situation where Sema could be used to treat Alcoholism from an addicts perspective but I cannot see a probable use case.

Reading from the comments here, most people do not have a flying clue about being an Addict, ill probably write a post on how addiction works.

I try to think of positives; yeah I am drinking less but I am still going to the bottle shop (Australian vernacular for Liquor store, the only place you can buy liquor ((think LC in canada)) after work and drinking 3 cans on the way home from work, my job requires me to drive and we have on road breath tests so if I lost my license I would be in serious trouble.

There is less contention in my house because my wife isnt busting me drinking, remember Im meant to be a recovering alcoholic so every time I drink and get caught, its a huge disappointment for everyone followed by big arguments.

Positives would be: I am not hung over anymore, my health must be improving because my liver and other organs are not taking a beating from drinking large amounts anymore, I am doing less risky behaviour like drinking 10 drinks, running out and getting behind the wheel to get more, harmony at home is better etc
 
poopoobum said:
In a session I was drinking 8-12 drinks, most days I can drink 2-3 since on the Sema. Obviously I was hoping for a miracle cure but this doesnt seem the case. I am trying to think of a real world situation where Sema could be used to treat Alcoholism from an addicts perspective but I cannot see a probable use case.

Reading from the comments here, most people do not have a flying clue about being an Addict, ill probably write a post on how addiction works.

I try to think of positives; yeah I am drinking less but I am still going to the bottle shop (Australian vernacular for Liquor store, the only place you can buy liquor ((think LC in canada)) after work and drinking 3 cans on the way home from work, my job requires me to drive and we have on road breath tests so if I lost my license I would be in serious trouble.

There is less contention in my house because my wife isnt busting me drinking, remember Im meant to be a recovering alcoholic so every time I drink and get caught, its a huge disappointment for everyone followed by big arguments.

Positives would be: I am not hung over anymore, my health must be improving because my liver and other organs are not taking a beating from drinking large amounts anymore, I am doing less risky behaviour like drinking 10 drinks, running out and getting behind the wheel to get more, harmony at home is better etc
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Yeah I think in life there is no miracle cures unfortunately, there are many things that can give you a boost but nothing thus far that can suddenly take away something as powerful as an addiction.

at least you are reducing consumption by about 75%, that's a really good start, hopefully you can whittle that number down to 0 in due time.

I have never been an addict myself so it's hard for me to relate, but just glad to hear that at least your homelife and health is doing alot better, hang in there brother, definitely rooting for you!
 
poopoobum said:
In a session I was drinking 8-12 drinks, most days I can drink 2-3 since on the Sema. Obviously I was hoping for a miracle cure but this doesnt seem the case. I am trying to think of a real world situation where Sema could be used to treat Alcoholism from an addicts perspective but I cannot see a probable use case.

Reading from the comments here, most people do not have a flying clue about being an Addict, ill probably write a post on how addiction works.

I try to think of positives; yeah I am drinking less but I am still going to the bottle shop (Australian vernacular for Liquor store, the only place you can buy liquor ((think LC in canada)) after work and drinking 3 cans on the way home from work, my job requires me to drive and we have on road breath tests so if I lost my license I would be in serious trouble.

There is less contention in my house because my wife isnt busting me drinking, remember Im meant to be a recovering alcoholic so every time I drink and get caught, its a huge disappointment for everyone followed by big arguments.

Positives would be: I am not hung over anymore, my health must be improving because my liver and other organs are not taking a beating from drinking large amounts anymore, I am doing less risky behaviour like drinking 10 drinks, running out and getting behind the wheel to get more, harmony at home is better etc
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To be real I think most of us know about addiction @poopoobum but all of us know about self control as well. I've done my share of serious drinking before and openly discussed it. The reality is you do have control of your life, you need to get into AA program and you need to do something before you lose your license and lose your life. EVO family will support you during this time, but you need to do your part as well.
It's time for you to look at your wife and your family and make the choice, drinking or them.
 
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