Approved Log Beginner Cutting cycle - Testosterone HGH Retatrutide - Log

[ChrisBal]

This will be the first log I’ve done. Pretty excited to get it started. I’m starting it out mid-cycle, but better late than never, right?



42 years old

5’8

183lbs

15% body fat (approximately)



Training:

4 day split reduced from 5 for cut.

Upper push, legs, upper push, legs/upper



Breakfast: usually 3 eggs, 3 slices of high protein turkey bacon, and one pack of instant oats with chia seeds added for fiber



Lunch: 7 oz chicken breast or skinless thigh with a cup of rice



Mid day: 7oz more chicken, 1 cup rice or a protein shake



Dinner: whatever the family eats. Always high protein and fairly healthy



Water: 5-6 L each day, sometimes a bit more.



PEDs

Test 60mg / tren ace 65mg EOD

HGH 2iu ED

HCG 750mg per week

Reta 5mg weekly (2.5mg x2)



Goal:

Reach 10% body fat

Maintain for several months

Lean bulk



Bloods: I can post more details but out of range numbers are LDL 150s, and BP usually runs around 135/80. BP has jumped up with the tren so I’ve ordered Telmisartan and Nebivolol. I’ll start slow and with the telmisartan first. Started aiming for three days of cardio at 30 minutes with a HR of 135-140.



Retesting blood after week 5.



Challenges:

• I’ve tracked my cuts so many times I’m tired of doing daily tracking and ridged meal planning. I eat healthy and track from time to time to keep things in check. This isn’t as dialed in as when I’d track daily.
• I’m extremely busy between a demanding career and two boys at home. This can challenge me with meal prep and gym time (sometimes).
• Alcohol from time to time. This was somewhat of an issue months ago but it’s gotten much better. Averaging 3 drinks a week but cutting out for all of November.
• I can be stubborn and sometimes have an “all or nothing” personality.

Background:

I’ve lifted off and on since 18 years old. Various things have pulled me away from time to time. Mainly a busy job with a wonky schedule, stress, or small injuries. When I was younger I felt that powering through the pain was a good idea. How wrong I was! My last cycle included 200mg deca and that seemed to give my nagging shoulder pain time to heal and proper support muscle to grow.



I started test in my 20’s then stopped due to severe acne. Started back up in my late 30’s and ran into the same acne issue. I had bad acne as a teenager and attributed my test acne being as just being prone to it since I was only taking 160mg weekly. I decided to go on Accutane and hopefully rid myself of it for good.



About a year and a half ago I left an extremely high stress role at work and found myself severely out of shape for my standards. I was about 25%+ body fat with higher LDL and BP. I started test again and dropped my body fat to around 20% and went from 182lbs to 200lbs. Muscle memory is a real thing. My strength exploded and I felt wonderful. I’ve since dropped to 182 and about 14 - 15% body fat



My plan is to run my current cycle for a total of 10 weeks. Tomorrow starts week 4. I originally started with 50mg tren ace eod, but decided to jump up to 65 when I didn’t “feel” it enough. “All or nothing” right? I realize staying at 50 was the correct option, but here I am.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

This will be the first log I’ve done. Pretty excited to get it started. I’m starting it out mid-cycle, but better late than never, right?



42 years old

5’8

183lbs

15% body fat (approximately)



Training:

4 day split reduced from 5 for cut.

Upper push, legs, upper push, legs/upper



Breakfast: usually 3 eggs, 3 slices of high protein turkey bacon, and one pack of instant oats with chia seeds added for fiber



Lunch: 7 oz chicken breast or skinless thigh with a cup of rice



Mid day: 7oz more chicken, 1 cup rice or a protein shake



Dinner: whatever the family eats. Always high protein and fairly healthy



Water: 5-6 L each day, sometimes a bit more.



PEDs

Test 60mg / tren ace 65mg EOD

HGH 2iu ED

HCG 750mg per week

Reta 5mg weekly (2.5mg x2)



Goal:

Reach 10% body fat

Maintain for several months

Lean bulk



Bloods: I can post more details but out of range numbers are LDL 150s, and BP usually runs around 135/80. BP has jumped up with the tren so I’ve ordered Telmisartan and Nebivolol. I’ll start slow and with the telmisartan first. Started aiming for three days of cardio at 30 minutes with a HR of 135-140.



Retesting blood after week 5.



Challenges:

• I’ve tracked my cuts so many times I’m tired of doing daily tracking and ridged meal planning. I eat healthy and track from time to time to keep things in check. This isn’t as dialed in as when I’d track daily.
• I’m extremely busy between a demanding career and two boys at home. This can challenge me with meal prep and gym time (sometimes).
• Alcohol from time to time. This was somewhat of an issue months ago but it’s gotten much better. Averaging 3 drinks a week but cutting out for all of November.
• I can be stubborn and sometimes have an “all or nothing” personality.

Background:

I’ve lifted off and on since 18 years old. Various things have pulled me away from time to time. Mainly a busy job with a wonky schedule, stress, or small injuries. When I was younger I felt that powering through the pain was a good idea. How wrong I was! My last cycle included 200mg deca and that seemed to give my nagging shoulder pain time to heal and proper support muscle to grow.



I started test in my 20’s then stopped due to severe acne. Started back up in my late 30’s and ran into the same acne issue. I had bad acne as a teenager and attributed my test acne being as just being prone to it since I was only taking 160mg weekly. I decided to go on Accutane and hopefully rid myself of it for good.



About a year and a half ago I left an extremely high stress role at work and found myself severely out of shape for my standards. I was about 25%+ body fat with higher LDL and BP. I started test again and dropped my body fat to around 20% and went from 182lbs to 200lbs. Muscle memory is a real thing. My strength exploded and I felt wonderful. I’ve since dropped to 182 and about 14 - 15% body fat



My plan is to run my current cycle for a total of 10 weeks. Tomorrow starts week 4. I originally started with 50mg tren ace eod, but decided to jump up to 65 when I didn’t “feel” it enough. “All or nothing” right? I realize staying at 50 was the correct option, but here I am.

@ChrisBal welcome to our EVO family, very excited to see your log
Please help us approve the log by sharing a photo of you with your face blurred. It will help us understand your base as well.

 

[Freki]

This will be the first log I’ve done. Pretty excited to get it started. I’m starting it out mid-cycle, but better late than never, right?



42 years old

5’8

183lbs

15% body fat (approximately)



Training:

4 day split reduced from 5 for cut.

Upper push, legs, upper push, legs/upper



Breakfast: usually 3 eggs, 3 slices of high protein turkey bacon, and one pack of instant oats with chia seeds added for fiber



Lunch: 7 oz chicken breast or skinless thigh with a cup of rice



Mid day: 7oz more chicken, 1 cup rice or a protein shake



Dinner: whatever the family eats. Always high protein and fairly healthy



Water: 5-6 L each day, sometimes a bit more.



PEDs

Test 60mg / tren ace 65mg EOD

HGH 2iu ED

HCG 750mg per week

Reta 5mg weekly (2.5mg x2)



Goal:

Reach 10% body fat

Maintain for several months

Lean bulk



Bloods: I can post more details but out of range numbers are LDL 150s, and BP usually runs around 135/80. BP has jumped up with the tren so I’ve ordered Telmisartan and Nebivolol. I’ll start slow and with the telmisartan first. Started aiming for three days of cardio at 30 minutes with a HR of 135-140.



Retesting blood after week 5.



Challenges:

• I’ve tracked my cuts so many times I’m tired of doing daily tracking and ridged meal planning. I eat healthy and track from time to time to keep things in check. This isn’t as dialed in as when I’d track daily.
• I’m extremely busy between a demanding career and two boys at home. This can challenge me with meal prep and gym time (sometimes).
• Alcohol from time to time. This was somewhat of an issue months ago but it’s gotten much better. Averaging 3 drinks a week but cutting out for all of November.
• I can be stubborn and sometimes have an “all or nothing” personality.

Background:

I’ve lifted off and on since 18 years old. Various things have pulled me away from time to time. Mainly a busy job with a wonky schedule, stress, or small injuries. When I was younger I felt that powering through the pain was a good idea. How wrong I was! My last cycle included 200mg deca and that seemed to give my nagging shoulder pain time to heal and proper support muscle to grow.



I started test in my 20’s then stopped due to severe acne. Started back up in my late 30’s and ran into the same acne issue. I had bad acne as a teenager and attributed my test acne being as just being prone to it since I was only taking 160mg weekly. I decided to go on Accutane and hopefully rid myself of it for good.



About a year and a half ago I left an extremely high stress role at work and found myself severely out of shape for my standards. I was about 25%+ body fat with higher LDL and BP. I started test again and dropped my body fat to around 20% and went from 182lbs to 200lbs. Muscle memory is a real thing. My strength exploded and I felt wonderful. I’ve since dropped to 182 and about 14 - 15% body fat



My plan is to run my current cycle for a total of 10 weeks. Tomorrow starts week 4. I originally started with 50mg tren ace eod, but decided to jump up to 65 when I didn’t “feel” it enough. “All or nothing” right? I realize staying at 50 was the correct option, but here I am.

Welcome Chris
Great start to your log bro
Couple of pics and your good to go.

 

[ChrisBal]

Ill get a photo later today. It’s a bit uncomfortable considering the acne issue, but its anonymous right? Ha!

 

[s.gentz]

Ill get a photo later today. It’s a bit uncomfortable considering the acne issue, but its anonymous right? Ha!

Nobody cares. We are here to help, not to judge you.

 

[ChrisBal]

 

[Freki]

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Looking great Chris, good base to work off. Hopefully you can sort the Acne issue out, tren certainly doesn't help it. How often are you showering a day?

 

[ChrisBal]

I'm showering at minimum twice daily. Once in the morning and then after workout, or in the evening if it's not a lift day. I use Cetaphil with SA wash during each shower and then CeraVe lotion after. I was using two other products after showering but combined with the Accutane was was getting VERY dry. My dermatologist recommended I stop those. It's been just under two months on Accutane and I am seeing improvement.

 

[LevButlerov]

This will be the first log I’ve done. Pretty excited to get it started. I’m starting it out mid-cycle, but better late than never, right?



42 years old

5’8

183lbs

15% body fat (approximately)



Training:

4 day split reduced from 5 for cut.

Upper push, legs, upper push, legs/upper



Breakfast: usually 3 eggs, 3 slices of high protein turkey bacon, and one pack of instant oats with chia seeds added for fiber



Lunch: 7 oz chicken breast or skinless thigh with a cup of rice



Mid day: 7oz more chicken, 1 cup rice or a protein shake



Dinner: whatever the family eats. Always high protein and fairly healthy



Water: 5-6 L each day, sometimes a bit more.



PEDs

Test 60mg / tren ace 65mg EOD

HGH 2iu ED

HCG 750mg per week

Reta 5mg weekly (2.5mg x2)



Goal:

Reach 10% body fat

Maintain for several months

Lean bulk



Bloods: I can post more details but out of range numbers are LDL 150s, and BP usually runs around 135/80. BP has jumped up with the tren so I’ve ordered Telmisartan and Nebivolol. I’ll start slow and with the telmisartan first. Started aiming for three days of cardio at 30 minutes with a HR of 135-140.



Retesting blood after week 5.



Challenges:

• I’ve tracked my cuts so many times I’m tired of doing daily tracking and ridged meal planning. I eat healthy and track from time to time to keep things in check. This isn’t as dialed in as when I’d track daily.
• I’m extremely busy between a demanding career and two boys at home. This can challenge me with meal prep and gym time (sometimes).
• Alcohol from time to time. This was somewhat of an issue months ago but it’s gotten much better. Averaging 3 drinks a week but cutting out for all of November.
• I can be stubborn and sometimes have an “all or nothing” personality.

Background:

I’ve lifted off and on since 18 years old. Various things have pulled me away from time to time. Mainly a busy job with a wonky schedule, stress, or small injuries. When I was younger I felt that powering through the pain was a good idea. How wrong I was! My last cycle included 200mg deca and that seemed to give my nagging shoulder pain time to heal and proper support muscle to grow.



I started test in my 20’s then stopped due to severe acne. Started back up in my late 30’s and ran into the same acne issue. I had bad acne as a teenager and attributed my test acne being as just being prone to it since I was only taking 160mg weekly. I decided to go on Accutane and hopefully rid myself of it for good.



About a year and a half ago I left an extremely high stress role at work and found myself severely out of shape for my standards. I was about 25%+ body fat with higher LDL and BP. I started test again and dropped my body fat to around 20% and went from 182lbs to 200lbs. Muscle memory is a real thing. My strength exploded and I felt wonderful. I’ve since dropped to 182 and about 14 - 15% body fat



My plan is to run my current cycle for a total of 10 weeks. Tomorrow starts week 4. I originally started with 50mg tren ace eod, but decided to jump up to 65 when I didn’t “feel” it enough. “All or nothing” right? I realize staying at 50 was the correct option, but here I am.

I'm showering at minimum twice daily. Once in the morning and then after workout, or in the evening if it's not a lift day. I use Cetaphil with SA wash during each shower and then CeraVe lotion after. I was using two other products after showering but combined with the Accutane was was getting VERY dry. My dermatologist recommended I stop those. It's been just under two months on Accutane and I am seeing improvement.

welcome now fully to the EVO family @ChrisBal
You look big and lean in the pics, really good results so far and that midsection is tightening up fast.
Tren is clearly working for you and your shoulder size stands out hard.
The dose you should stay on should be around 100mgs/week not more imo.

For acne, stay consistent with the Accutane and keep your skin care simple like you’re doing. Add clean gym clothes each session, swap pillowcases 2x weekly, and use benzoyl peroxide 5% on the upper back, chest and shoulders post shower. Important to avoid oily lotions since tren sweats can worsen flare ups.
But when did you do blood work last with this cycle?

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good, I saw what you put but thats not ED right?
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

did you download our eBooks?
https://irongorillas.com

 

[ChrisBal]

I'll look into the benzoyl. I've heard that can certainly help.

In addition to regularly washing sheets/pillow I've started sleeping with a shirt on. Super annoying but I'm assuming at some point I'll get used to it.

I had my last blood work done on September 23 - early Oct (linked at bottom), although it wasn't a full comprehensive panel. I plan to do them again at five week mark on this cycle. I'll do them again prior to start any other cycle. I'm never happy with my lipids. Even years back when I was running 4x weekly for over 10 miles they weren't great. My blood pressure has been slightly high since my 20's.

I'm currently using a TRT clinic because I'm getting a steep discount. The labs are inexpensive and so is the test. I supplement with UGL on the test if needed.

I do tend to eat roughly the same meals every single day with slight variations. If I'm having a crazy day I may have a protein shake in place of my third meal and I do add psyllium husk to it every time.

Supplements daily:
Red Yeast Rice 1300mg
Golden Life Vitamin
VitD with K2
Citrus Bergamot 1200
L-Carnitine 1000mg
Omega 3 2g per day
NAC 600mg
Tadalafil 5mg
I have TUDCA but haven't taken it. My last liver panel was ALT 21, AST 29. I'll start taking it depending on next bloods in a week.
I also have Physician's Choice digestive enzymes which I haven't taken yet.
Of course I listen to the podcast! Currently going back to old episodes. I've learned a lot! Love it!

 

[stevesmi]

This will be the first log I’ve done. Pretty excited to get it started. I’m starting it out mid-cycle, but better late than never, right?



42 years old

5’8

183lbs

15% body fat (approximately)



Training:

4 day split reduced from 5 for cut.

Upper push, legs, upper push, legs/upper



Breakfast: usually 3 eggs, 3 slices of high protein turkey bacon, and one pack of instant oats with chia seeds added for fiber



Lunch: 7 oz chicken breast or skinless thigh with a cup of rice



Mid day: 7oz more chicken, 1 cup rice or a protein shake



Dinner: whatever the family eats. Always high protein and fairly healthy



Water: 5-6 L each day, sometimes a bit more.



PEDs

Test 60mg / tren ace 65mg EOD

HGH 2iu ED

HCG 750mg per week

Reta 5mg weekly (2.5mg x2)



Goal:

Reach 10% body fat

Maintain for several months

Lean bulk



Bloods: I can post more details but out of range numbers are LDL 150s, and BP usually runs around 135/80. BP has jumped up with the tren so I’ve ordered Telmisartan and Nebivolol. I’ll start slow and with the telmisartan first. Started aiming for three days of cardio at 30 minutes with a HR of 135-140.



Retesting blood after week 5.



Challenges:

• I’ve tracked my cuts so many times I’m tired of doing daily tracking and ridged meal planning. I eat healthy and track from time to time to keep things in check. This isn’t as dialed in as when I’d track daily.
• I’m extremely busy between a demanding career and two boys at home. This can challenge me with meal prep and gym time (sometimes).
• Alcohol from time to time. This was somewhat of an issue months ago but it’s gotten much better. Averaging 3 drinks a week but cutting out for all of November.
• I can be stubborn and sometimes have an “all or nothing” personality.

Background:

I’ve lifted off and on since 18 years old. Various things have pulled me away from time to time. Mainly a busy job with a wonky schedule, stress, or small injuries. When I was younger I felt that powering through the pain was a good idea. How wrong I was! My last cycle included 200mg deca and that seemed to give my nagging shoulder pain time to heal and proper support muscle to grow.



I started test in my 20’s then stopped due to severe acne. Started back up in my late 30’s and ran into the same acne issue. I had bad acne as a teenager and attributed my test acne being as just being prone to it since I was only taking 160mg weekly. I decided to go on Accutane and hopefully rid myself of it for good.



About a year and a half ago I left an extremely high stress role at work and found myself severely out of shape for my standards. I was about 25%+ body fat with higher LDL and BP. I started test again and dropped my body fat to around 20% and went from 182lbs to 200lbs. Muscle memory is a real thing. My strength exploded and I felt wonderful. I’ve since dropped to 182 and about 14 - 15% body fat



My plan is to run my current cycle for a total of 10 weeks. Tomorrow starts week 4. I originally started with 50mg tren ace eod, but decided to jump up to 65 when I didn’t “feel” it enough. “All or nothing” right? I realize staying at 50 was the correct option, but here I am.

@ChrisBal Good to see you posting up a Log. I like the background that you posted on here. It's great that you're looking to get yourself back into shape and muscle memory is kicking in for you.

 

[ceo]

I'm showering at minimum twice daily. Once in the morning and then after workout, or in the evening if it's not a lift day. I use Cetaphil with SA wash during each shower and then CeraVe lotion after. I was using two other products after showering but combined with the Accutane was was getting VERY dry. My dermatologist recommended I stop those. It's been just under two months on Accutane and I am seeing improvement.

Bros as long as the accutane not giving you unwanted side effects. It's going to be some good stuff. Hopefully you see some more improvements and work with your dermatologist. @ChrisBal

 

[ROIDDERS]

I'll look into the benzoyl. I've heard that can certainly help.

In addition to regularly washing sheets/pillow I've started sleeping with a shirt on. Super annoying but I'm assuming at some point I'll get used to it.

I had my last blood work done on September 23 - early Oct (linked at bottom), although it wasn't a full comprehensive panel. I plan to do them again at five week mark on this cycle. I'll do them again prior to start any other cycle. I'm never happy with my lipids. Even years back when I was running 4x weekly for over 10 miles they weren't great. My blood pressure has been slightly high since my 20's.

I'm currently using a TRT clinic because I'm getting a steep discount. The labs are inexpensive and so is the test. I supplement with UGL on the test if needed.

I do tend to eat roughly the same meals every single day with slight variations. If I'm having a crazy day I may have a protein shake in place of my third meal and I do add psyllium husk to it every time.

Supplements daily:
Red Yeast Rice 1300mg
Golden Life Vitamin
VitD with K2
Citrus Bergamot 1200
L-Carnitine 1000mg
Omega 3 2g per day
NAC 600mg
Tadalafil 5mg
I have TUDCA but haven't taken it. My last liver panel was ALT 21, AST 29. I'll start taking it depending on next bloods in a week.
I also have Physician's Choice digestive enzymes which I haven't taken yet.
Of course I listen to the podcast! Currently going back to old episodes. I've learned a lot! Love it!
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It's sort of hard to read your blood work. @ChrisBal Are the things and read things that are out of range? I want to make sure that I'm reading them correctly.

 

[LevButlerov]

I'll look into the benzoyl. I've heard that can certainly help.

In addition to regularly washing sheets/pillow I've started sleeping with a shirt on. Super annoying but I'm assuming at some point I'll get used to it.

I had my last blood work done on September 23 - early Oct (linked at bottom), although it wasn't a full comprehensive panel. I plan to do them again at five week mark on this cycle. I'll do them again prior to start any other cycle. I'm never happy with my lipids. Even years back when I was running 4x weekly for over 10 miles they weren't great. My blood pressure has been slightly high since my 20's.

I'm currently using a TRT clinic because I'm getting a steep discount. The labs are inexpensive and so is the test. I supplement with UGL on the test if needed.

I do tend to eat roughly the same meals every single day with slight variations. If I'm having a crazy day I may have a protein shake in place of my third meal and I do add psyllium husk to it every time.

Supplements daily:
Red Yeast Rice 1300mg
Golden Life Vitamin
VitD with K2
Citrus Bergamot 1200
L-Carnitine 1000mg
Omega 3 2g per day
NAC 600mg
Tadalafil 5mg
I have TUDCA but haven't taken it. My last liver panel was ALT 21, AST 29. I'll start taking it depending on next bloods in a week.
I also have Physician's Choice digestive enzymes which I haven't taken yet.
Of course I listen to the podcast! Currently going back to old episodes. I've learned a lot! Love it!
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Good plan on adding benzoyl, it can make a big difference when combined with clean bedding and shirts at night. @ChrisBal

Your supplements are solid but you need some bergamot there too, and n2guard if you can get it.
Bloods I'm not clear can you post full bloods with ranges please?

 

[Ulter]

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@ChrisBal I think part of your goals should be also curing your acne. It can be done for sure. A lot of guys go through it and it's something that you can show others how to fix.

 

[ChrisBal]

I’ll try and post some actual blood reports. I keep them in an excel spreadsheet for easy tracking which might make them a bit confusing.

My only concern is LDL 153 and HDL 32. I’ve heard deca can stay in your system for months and if that’s the case some of that could be reflected in those numbers. They’ve always been a little off though.

And yes, the accutane is treatment is going great. So far threres been zero effect on my liver. I’ll stick with it for the whole four/five month cycle. This is definitely my top priority right now. Definitely a higher priority than any cycle.

I’ll get new bloods done in just over a week. Lipids, kidney, liver, glucose, prolactin, igf-1, estradiol sensitive.

I was going to skip testosterone which comes with test, free, estradiol. I know about where my test should be from my dosage and the basic estradiol will likely be thrown off from the tren is my understanding.

Any thoughts on these blood tests or others to add? The place I get it done is “à la catre” for tests I want. Those basic tests (minus sensitive) runs me $100 or $200 with test panel.

 

[Mobster]

Don't fret the skin but if you DO have a look at @JackD42 log where he discussed a pre competition skin cleansing suggestion

 

[2Thick]

I’ll try and post some actual blood reports. I keep them in an excel spreadsheet for easy tracking which might make them a bit confusing.

My only concern is LDL 153 and HDL 32. I’ve heard deca can stay in your system for months and if that’s the case some of that could be reflected in those numbers. They’ve always been a little off though.

And yes, the accutane is treatment is going great. So far threres been zero effect on my liver. I’ll stick with it for the whole four/five month cycle. This is definitely my top priority right now. Definitely a higher priority than any cycle.

I’ll get new bloods done in just over a week. Lipids, kidney, liver, glucose, prolactin, igf-1, estradiol sensitive.

I was going to skip testosterone which comes with test, free, estradiol. I know about where my test should be from my dosage and the basic estradiol will likely be thrown off from the tren is my understanding.

Any thoughts on these blood tests or others to add? The place I get it done is “à la catre” for tests I want. Those basic tests (minus sensitive) runs me $100 or $200 with test panel.

we are the no judgement zone so don't worry about it. and as others have said many on here have this issue with acne, you aren't alone. check out the other logs where guys have been able to control it and see what they have done. its a war but you can fight it @ChrisBal

 

[JackD42]

I'm showering at minimum twice daily. Once in the morning and then after workout, or in the evening if it's not a lift day. I use Cetaphil with SA wash during each shower and then CeraVe lotion after. I was using two other products after showering but combined with the Accutane was was getting VERY dry. My dermatologist recommended I stop those. It's been just under two months on Accutane and I am seeing improvement.

Buddy your not alone I battle it on my face :-(

 

[ChrisBal]

Split: 4 days

Day 1:
Incline DB Press 4 x 8-10
Flat bench 3 x 6-8
Overhead press 3 x 8-10
Lateral raises drop sets 3x 12-15
Machine incline press 3 x 10-12
Tricep push down 3 x 10-12

Day 2
Squat 4x 6-8
Bulgarian split squat 3 x 8-10
Leg press 2 x 10-12
Leg curl 3 x 10-12
Calf raises 3 x 12-10

Day 3
Chest supported row 4 x 8-10
Lat pull down 3 x 10-12
Cable row 3 x 10-12
Rear delt fly 3 x 12-15
Ez bar curl 3x 8-10
Hammer curl 2 x 10-12

Day 4
RDL 3 x 8-10
Leg ext 3 x 10-12
Incline DB press 3x 8-10
Lateral raises 3 x 10-12 drop sets 3
Machine chest press 3 x 12-15
Superset curl+rope push down 2x 12-15

Heavy in chest because I hate my chest and feel like it’s really lacking. I’ve reduced volume from my five day split during my cut. Currently experiencing a golfers elbow type issue. Figuring it out so some exercises are in there to keep me pain free.

 

[LevButlerov]

Split: 4 days

Day 1:
Incline DB Press 4 x 8-10
Flat bench 3 x 6-8
Overhead press 3 x 8-10
Lateral raises drop sets 3x 12-15
Machine incline press 3 x 10-12
Tricep push down 3 x 10-12

Day 2
Squat 4x 6-8
Bulgarian split squat 3 x 8-10
Leg press 2 x 10-12
Leg curl 3 x 10-12
Calf raises 3 x 12-10

Day 3
Chest supported row 4 x 8-10
Lat pull down 3 x 10-12
Cable row 3 x 10-12
Rear delt fly 3 x 12-15
Ez bar curl 3x 8-10
Hammer curl 2 x 10-12

Day 4
RDL 3 x 8-10
Leg ext 3 x 10-12
Incline DB press 3x 8-10
Lateral raises 3 x 10-12 drop sets 3
Machine chest press 3 x 12-15
Superset curl+rope push down 2x 12-15

Heavy in chest because I hate my chest and feel like it’s really lacking. I’ve reduced volume from my five day split during my cut. Currently experiencing a golfers elbow type issue. Figuring it out so some exercises are in there to keep me pain free.

Good 4 day split, balanced with smart chest priority. @ChrisBal
Keep incline and machine work but ease tricep and curl load till that golfers elbow calms imo

 

[ChrisBal]

Will do. I really appreciate that advice.

 

[RoySimpson]

This will be the first log I’ve done. Pretty excited to get it started. I’m starting it out mid-cycle, but better late than never, right?



42 years old

5’8

183lbs

15% body fat (approximately)



Training:

4 day split reduced from 5 for cut.

Upper push, legs, upper push, legs/upper



Breakfast: usually 3 eggs, 3 slices of high protein turkey bacon, and one pack of instant oats with chia seeds added for fiber



Lunch: 7 oz chicken breast or skinless thigh with a cup of rice



Mid day: 7oz more chicken, 1 cup rice or a protein shake



Dinner: whatever the family eats. Always high protein and fairly healthy



Water: 5-6 L each day, sometimes a bit more.



PEDs

Test 60mg / tren ace 65mg EOD

HGH 2iu ED

HCG 750mg per week

Reta 5mg weekly (2.5mg x2)



Goal:

Reach 10% body fat

Maintain for several months

Lean bulk



Bloods: I can post more details but out of range numbers are LDL 150s, and BP usually runs around 135/80. BP has jumped up with the tren so I’ve ordered Telmisartan and Nebivolol. I’ll start slow and with the telmisartan first. Started aiming for three days of cardio at 30 minutes with a HR of 135-140.



Retesting blood after week 5.



Challenges:

• I’ve tracked my cuts so many times I’m tired of doing daily tracking and ridged meal planning. I eat healthy and track from time to time to keep things in check. This isn’t as dialed in as when I’d track daily.
• I’m extremely busy between a demanding career and two boys at home. This can challenge me with meal prep and gym time (sometimes).
• Alcohol from time to time. This was somewhat of an issue months ago but it’s gotten much better. Averaging 3 drinks a week but cutting out for all of November.
• I can be stubborn and sometimes have an “all or nothing” personality.

Background:

I’ve lifted off and on since 18 years old. Various things have pulled me away from time to time. Mainly a busy job with a wonky schedule, stress, or small injuries. When I was younger I felt that powering through the pain was a good idea. How wrong I was! My last cycle included 200mg deca and that seemed to give my nagging shoulder pain time to heal and proper support muscle to grow.



I started test in my 20’s then stopped due to severe acne. Started back up in my late 30’s and ran into the same acne issue. I had bad acne as a teenager and attributed my test acne being as just being prone to it since I was only taking 160mg weekly. I decided to go on Accutane and hopefully rid myself of it for good.



About a year and a half ago I left an extremely high stress role at work and found myself severely out of shape for my standards. I was about 25%+ body fat with higher LDL and BP. I started test again and dropped my body fat to around 20% and went from 182lbs to 200lbs. Muscle memory is a real thing. My strength exploded and I felt wonderful. I’ve since dropped to 182 and about 14 - 15% body fat



My plan is to run my current cycle for a total of 10 weeks. Tomorrow starts week 4. I originally started with 50mg tren ace eod, but decided to jump up to 65 when I didn’t “feel” it enough. “All or nothing” right? I realize staying at 50 was the correct option, but here I am.

@ChrisBal welcome to the forums bro!

 

[ChrisBal]

Feeling absolutely fantastic this week. I’m not sure if it’s the tren or what, but despite the bad sleep, I’ve felt motivated, especially in the gym.

I’ve moved my GH to the morning so I can go back to ipamorelin/cjc (250mcg) before bed. I want to see if this improves my sleep at all. Previous those two peptides gave me some of the best sleep I’ve ever gotten. It’s not bad enough to reduce dosages but it is annoying.

I hate tracking calories but I’ve been at the same weight for three weeks. I think I’ll track all this week. I might have started more of a recomp without realizing it. I know tren, especially at 230 a week, can be powerful stuff for a novice.

11/4
Cal: 1705, p: 170, c: 133, f: 61

11/5
Cal: 1629, p: 167, c: 132, f: 54

The only thing I haven’t logged is the avocado oil I use to cook my eggs. I have a spay bottle I use but need to measure how much it puts out.

 

[Freki]

Feeling absolutely fantastic this week. I’m not sure if it’s the tren or what, but despite the bad sleep, I’ve felt motivated, especially in the gym.

Ha ha ha , yep confirmed all Tren effects

 

[LevButlerov]

Feeling absolutely fantastic this week. I’m not sure if it’s the tren or what, but despite the bad sleep, I’ve felt motivated, especially in the gym.

I’ve moved my GH to the morning so I can go back to ipamorelin/cjc (250mcg) before bed. I want to see if this improves my sleep at all. Previous those two peptides gave me some of the best sleep I’ve ever gotten. It’s not bad enough to reduce dosages but it is annoying.

I hate tracking calories but I’ve been at the same weight for three weeks. I think I’ll track all this week. I might have started more of a recomp without realizing it. I know tren, especially at 230 a week, can be powerful stuff for a novice.

11/4
Cal: 1705, p: 170, c: 133, f: 61

11/5
Cal: 1629, p: 167, c: 132, f: 54

The only thing I haven’t logged is the avocado oil I use to cook my eggs. I have a spay bottle I use but need to measure how much it puts out.

Feeling strong and dialed in, that tren energy definitely kicking even with poor sleep.

Good call on tracking this week, those numbers need to go up and bump protein at least.

 

[ballin2504]

This will be the first log I’ve done. Pretty excited to get it started. I’m starting it out mid-cycle, but better late than never, right?



42 years old

5’8

183lbs

15% body fat (approximately)



Training:

4 day split reduced from 5 for cut.

Upper push, legs, upper push, legs/upper



Breakfast: usually 3 eggs, 3 slices of high protein turkey bacon, and one pack of instant oats with chia seeds added for fiber



Lunch: 7 oz chicken breast or skinless thigh with a cup of rice



Mid day: 7oz more chicken, 1 cup rice or a protein shake



Dinner: whatever the family eats. Always high protein and fairly healthy



Water: 5-6 L each day, sometimes a bit more.



PEDs

Test 60mg / tren ace 65mg EOD

HGH 2iu ED

HCG 750mg per week

Reta 5mg weekly (2.5mg x2)



Goal:

Reach 10% body fat

Maintain for several months

Lean bulk



Bloods: I can post more details but out of range numbers are LDL 150s, and BP usually runs around 135/80. BP has jumped up with the tren so I’ve ordered Telmisartan and Nebivolol. I’ll start slow and with the telmisartan first. Started aiming for three days of cardio at 30 minutes with a HR of 135-140.



Retesting blood after week 5.



Challenges:

• I’ve tracked my cuts so many times I’m tired of doing daily tracking and ridged meal planning. I eat healthy and track from time to time to keep things in check. This isn’t as dialed in as when I’d track daily.
• I’m extremely busy between a demanding career and two boys at home. This can challenge me with meal prep and gym time (sometimes).
• Alcohol from time to time. This was somewhat of an issue months ago but it’s gotten much better. Averaging 3 drinks a week but cutting out for all of November.
• I can be stubborn and sometimes have an “all or nothing” personality.

Background:

I’ve lifted off and on since 18 years old. Various things have pulled me away from time to time. Mainly a busy job with a wonky schedule, stress, or small injuries. When I was younger I felt that powering through the pain was a good idea. How wrong I was! My last cycle included 200mg deca and that seemed to give my nagging shoulder pain time to heal and proper support muscle to grow.



I started test in my 20’s then stopped due to severe acne. Started back up in my late 30’s and ran into the same acne issue. I had bad acne as a teenager and attributed my test acne being as just being prone to it since I was only taking 160mg weekly. I decided to go on Accutane and hopefully rid myself of it for good.



About a year and a half ago I left an extremely high stress role at work and found myself severely out of shape for my standards. I was about 25%+ body fat with higher LDL and BP. I started test again and dropped my body fat to around 20% and went from 182lbs to 200lbs. Muscle memory is a real thing. My strength exploded and I felt wonderful. I’ve since dropped to 182 and about 14 - 15% body fat



My plan is to run my current cycle for a total of 10 weeks. Tomorrow starts week 4. I originally started with 50mg tren ace eod, but decided to jump up to 65 when I didn’t “feel” it enough. “All or nothing” right? I realize staying at 50 was the correct option, but here I am.

@ChrisBal welcome to the Evo forum man. We are glad to have you

 

[panic_jam]

Please be careful with the retatrutide. It’s much more potent than the other drugs in that class.

Not to imply that you don’t know what you’re doing, but to anyone else that it could also pertain to…, I recently worked a call where a woman and her husband were lying in bed watching TV. He got up to go swap laundry and found her unresponsive and displaying stroke symptoms when he came back.

We checked her glucose and it sit said “LOW”

Treated her on scene with IV Dextrose until she came around. Turns out she had injected retatrutide just prior to watching TV.

Bottom line is that had her husband not found her when he did, she would be a vegetable today. Unlike other organs, the brain only uses glucose to fuel its functions, and it is very sensitive to glucose deprivation.

 

[LevButlerov]

Please be careful with the retatrutide. It’s much more potent than the other drugs in that class.

Not to imply that you don’t know what you’re doing, but to anyone else that it could also pertain to…, I recently worked a call where a woman and her husband were lying in bed watching TV. He got up to go swap laundry and found her unresponsive and displaying stroke symptoms when he came back.

We checked her glucose and it sit said “LOW”

Treated her on scene with IV Dextrose until she came around. Turns out she had injected retatrutide just prior to watching TV.

Bottom line is that had her husband not found her when he did, she would be a vegetable today. Unlike other organs, the brain only uses glucose to fuel its functions, and it is very sensitive to glucose deprivation.

Good info @panic_jam added it to our retatrutide megathread
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/retatrutide-its-the-real-deal.103339/post-1880416

 

[ChrisBal]

I’m glad I started tracking food because it’s shown me how much room there is for improvement.

My weight has pretty much held from last week at 183.

I had one rough day last week when I got called into work in the evening and worked all night and most of the next day. I continued to eat good foods but being so tired makes it very hard for me to eat anything.

I got an extensive blood panel done yesterday. I’ll post those results next week.

Food:
11/3
Cal: 1705, p: 170, c: 133, f: 61

11/4
Cal: 1629, p: 167, c: 132, f: 54

11/5
Cal: 1738, p: 201, c: 148, f: 48

11/6 all nighter
Cal: 1495, p: 172, c: 114, f: 49

11/7
Cal: 1707, p: 203, c: 144, f: 45

 

[Freki]

I’m glad I started tracking food because it’s shown me how much room there is for improvement.

The No 1 PED we have.

 

[LevButlerov]

I’m glad I started tracking food because it’s shown me how much room there is for improvement.

My weight has pretty much held from last week at 183.

I had one rough day last week when I got called into work in the evening and worked all night and most of the next day. I continued to eat good foods but being so tired makes it very hard for me to eat anything.

I got an extensive blood panel done yesterday. I’ll post those results next week.

Food:
11/3
Cal: 1705, p: 170, c: 133, f: 61

11/4
Cal: 1629, p: 167, c: 132, f: 54

11/5
Cal: 1738, p: 201, c: 148, f: 48

11/6 all nighter
Cal: 1495, p: 172, c: 114, f: 49

11/7
Cal: 1707, p: 203, c: 144, f: 45

happy to see you logging the food, crucial to see the situation @ChrisBal
Good tracking consistency, numbers are clean but protein we need to get to about 250 and carbs about 250 as well 1:1 to start, can you do that?

Add a shake or 2 on busy days or double meat portions if you can.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy @Madmax46

@toddthelineman

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Add a shake or 2 on busy days or double meat portions if you can.

Agreed - this can get you over 200g easily on most of those days you logged. The way I do it is have 4 scoops of banana flavored optimum nutrition whey power and 3 - 5 eggs. The eggs add a nice thickened texture but no taste, and the whole thing tastes like the whey flavouring but these shakes clock in at 101g protien each.

Having a two scoop two egg shake would still be about 55 - 60g of protien and not too much liquid, 400ml so easy enough to find a time to have it.

 

[Dreamer]

I’m glad I started tracking food because it’s shown me how much room there is for improvement.

My weight has pretty much held from last week at 183.

I had one rough day last week when I got called into work in the evening and worked all night and most of the next day. I continued to eat good foods but being so tired makes it very hard for me to eat anything.

I got an extensive blood panel done yesterday. I’ll post those results next week.

Food:
11/3
Cal: 1705, p: 170, c: 133, f: 61

11/4
Cal: 1629, p: 167, c: 132, f: 54

11/5
Cal: 1738, p: 201, c: 148, f: 48

11/6 all nighter
Cal: 1495, p: 172, c: 114, f: 49

11/7
Cal: 1707, p: 203, c: 144, f: 45

Agree with the other guys, a bit more protein is the way

 

[ChrisBal]

happy to see you logging the food, crucial to see the situation @ChrisBal
Good tracking consistency, numbers are clean but protein we need to get to about 250 and carbs about 250 as well 1:1 to start, can you do that?

Add a shake or 2 on busy days or double meat portions if you can.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy @Madmax46

@toddthelineman

I can get there for sure. That’s going to put me at at minimum 2000 calories with 0 fat. Realistically, 2500+ for the day. I can’t imagine I’d hit my goal of losing body fat so high in calories? My main goal right now is to hit 10%. Are those numbers for bulking or cutting?

 

[Dreamer]

I would put your TDEE at about 2500, add some protein and some cardio to offset and your golden.

 

[LevButlerov]

I can get there for sure. That’s going to put me at at minimum 2000 calories with 0 fat. Realistically, 2500+ for the day. I can’t imagine I’d hit my goal of losing body fat so high in calories? My main goal right now is to hit 10%. Are those numbers for bulking or cutting?

I know it sounds odd but bodyfat and calories not directly related. Calories is not a real measurement of anything, macros matter.
You need more than 0 fat of course @ChrisBal

 

[waggat]

Hey mate nice setup here. You've got a nice balanced physique and a really good base. Legs are looking good in particular.

What's the purpose of the HCG? I often see the more experienced people here say there's not much point to running it.

 

[ChrisBal]

Hey mate nice setup here. You've got a nice balanced physique and a really good base. Legs are looking good in particular.

What's the purpose of the HCG? I often see the more experienced people here say there's not much point to running it.

Thanks man!

Quite honestly the purpose of the HCG is purely related to the bedroom side of things. Volume and consistency lol.

 

[waggat]

Thanks man!

Quite honestly the purpose of the HCG is purely related to the bedroom side of things. Volume and consistency lol.

I've seen a few of the guys comment on what they do in this regard. Can't remember what exactly though. Maybe HCGenerate? We'll see what they say.

 

[ChrisBal]

I've seen a few of the guys comment on what they do in this regard. Can't remember what exactly though. Maybe HCGenerate? We'll see what they say.

This is the first I’ve heard of that product. HCG definitely works.

I’ve head that some compounds, DHEA, and others aren’t produced, or as easily produced, when you’re completely shut down. It’s my understanding HCG will help here as well.

 

[Allupfromhere]

I know it sounds odd but bodyfat and calories not directly related. Calories is not a real measurement of anything, macros matter.
You need more than 0 fat of course @ChrisBal

This can be an odd one to get your head around at the start but @LevButlerov is % on the money here (he is 99% of the time lol)
So many tools at our disposal for fat loss and starving yourself doesnt have to be one of them.. and reality is intake under 2000kcal is ideally slowly starving yourself.
And yes definitely meed more that 0 fats lol.

Your looking great already brother but can dial you right in to look your absolute best.

 

[LevButlerov]

This can be an odd one to get your head around at the start but @LevButlerov is % on the money here (he is 99% of the time lol)
So many tools at our disposal for fat loss and starving yourself doesnt have to be one of them.. and reality is intake under 2000kcal is ideally slowly starving yourself.
And yes definitely meed more that 0 fats lol.

Your looking great already brother but can dial you right in to look your absolute best.

its always the macros not the cals

 

[ChrisBal]

its always the macros not the cals

Cutting down the Reta so I can actually fit all this food in!

 

[ChrisBal]

I’m pretty ignorant when it comes to this stuff apparently. For the last four weeks I’ve been hovering right around 183lbs but definitely getting leaner. What should I expect after bumping up protein/carbs?

 

[LevButlerov]

I’m pretty ignorant when it comes to this stuff apparently. For the last four weeks I’ve been hovering right around 183lbs but definitely getting leaner. What should I expect after bumping up protein/carbs?

how about 300 protein 300 carbs can you do it? @ChrisBal

 

[ChrisBal]

how about 300 protein 300 carbs can you do it? @ChrisBal

Haha, I guess I could eat McDonalds a few times a day!

Seriously though, 250/250 is something I’ll have to work up to.

 

[LevButlerov]

Haha, I guess I could eat McDonalds a few times a day!

Seriously though, 250/250 is something I’ll have to work up to.

how about oatmeal?

 

[ChrisBal]

how about oatmeal?

Oatmeal’s great

 

[LevButlerov]

Oatmeal’s great

go for it add more

 

[Allupfromhere]

its always the macros not the cals

Bodybuilding doesnt count calories only marcos

Oatmeal’s great

Try add the carb increase around your workout brother utilise it for performance and replenishment.

 

[LevButlerov]

Bodybuilding doesnt count calories only marcos

Fact

 

[ChrisBal]

I plan to post a progress update tomorrow with picture, but just got back my recent bloods and wanted to throw em out here.

Cycle is test 60mg eod (210wk), tren ace 65 eod (230), HGH 2iu daily, hcg 800 weekly. At the five week mark.

I’d like to get some opinions on the results. I think I should keep an eye on my ferritin and hct. I don’t want to donate with my ferritin getting low.

I asked for a lipid panel and they didn’t include HDL, LDL, or triglycerides. I also asked for sensitive e2, and igf-1 ms. Just estrodisl and regular igf1 were performed.

I’m thinking of dropping the hcg for the remainder of the cycle and throwing in 2mg arimidex for a week or two. I don’t have symptoms of being low but I’m curious if I’ll feel different lowering estradiol.

Thanks for any input!

 

[LevButlerov]

I plan to post a progress update tomorrow with picture, but just got back my recent bloods and wanted to throw em out here.

Cycle is test 60mg eod (210wk), tren ace 65 eod (230), HGH 2iu daily, hcg 800 weekly. At the five week mark.

I’d like to get some opinions on the results. I think I should keep an eye on my ferritin and hct. I don’t want to donate with my ferritin getting low.

I asked for a lipid panel and they didn’t include HDL, LDL, or triglycerides. I also asked for sensitive e2, and igf-1 ms. Just estrodisl and regular igf1 were performed.

I’m thinking of dropping the hcg for the remainder of the cycle and throwing in 2mg arimidex for a week or two. I don’t have symptoms of being low but I’m curious if I’ll feel different lowering estradiol.

Thanks for any input!

Your bloods show e2 at 76 so it is too high from the hcg but maybe test itself too @ChrisBal
Drop the hcg and run arimidex at 0.5mg eod for 2 weeks to level out.

 

[Dreamer]

I plan to post a progress update tomorrow with picture, but just got back my recent bloods and wanted to throw em out here.

Cycle is test 60mg eod (210wk), tren ace 65 eod (230), HGH 2iu daily, hcg 800 weekly. At the five week mark.

I’d like to get some opinions on the results. I think I should keep an eye on my ferritin and hct. I don’t want to donate with my ferritin getting low.

I asked for a lipid panel and they didn’t include HDL, LDL, or triglycerides. I also asked for sensitive e2, and igf-1 ms. Just estrodisl and regular igf1 were performed.

I’m thinking of dropping the hcg for the remainder of the cycle and throwing in 2mg arimidex for a week or two. I don’t have symptoms of being low but I’m curious if I’ll feel different lowering estradiol.

Thanks for any input!

You are right about donating, your ferritin would likely go to 10-15, were you hydrated properly before bloods?

 

[ChrisBal]

Your bloods show e2 at 76 so it is too high from the hcg but maybe test itself too @ChrisBal
Drop the hcg and run arimidex at 0.5mg eod for 2 weeks to level out.

I ordered an e2 sensitive test but they performed a regular estradiol test. I’ve heard tren can throw this number off. Any idea if so and by how much?

even with it being off I’m sure it’s still high. I’ll start adex tomorrow.

 

[ChrisBal]

You are right about donating, your ferritin would likely go to 10-15, were you hydrated properly before bloods?

I made sure to hydrate well. Drank plenty the day before. I was fasted the morning of this draw but drank just over 32oz of water before going in.

 

[LevButlerov]

I ordered an e2 sensitive test but they performed a regular estradiol test. I’ve heard tren can throw this number off. Any idea if so and by how much?

even with it being off I’m sure it’s still high. I’ll start adex tomorrow.

trenbolone is not throwing anything off, you just have high e2 @ChrisBal

 

[Dreamer]

What symptoms are you having to think high e2

 

[Mobster]

Another reason for me not using HCG

 

[stevesmi]

I plan to post a progress update tomorrow with picture, but just got back my recent bloods and wanted to throw em out here.

Cycle is test 60mg eod (210wk), tren ace 65 eod (230), HGH 2iu daily, hcg 800 weekly. At the five week mark.

I’d like to get some opinions on the results. I think I should keep an eye on my ferritin and hct. I don’t want to donate with my ferritin getting low.

I asked for a lipid panel and they didn’t include HDL, LDL, or triglycerides. I also asked for sensitive e2, and igf-1 ms. Just estrodisl and regular igf1 were performed.

I’m thinking of dropping the hcg for the remainder of the cycle and throwing in 2mg arimidex for a week or two. I don’t have symptoms of being low but I’m curious if I’ll feel different lowering estradiol.

Thanks for any input!

@ChrisBal It happens all the time, man. You'll ask for certain blood work and they won't give you what you asked for. Unfortunately, that's the medical system that we have to deal with. You just got to try again. But this time hopefully they'll listen.

 

[ChrisBal]

What symptoms are you having to think high e2

I don’t have any symptoms of high e2. I usually run in the low 50s on a cruise of 200 - 240 and in the mid to low 60s on my last cycle of 360test/200 deca. Have always felt fine.

 

[ChrisBal]

@ChrisBal It happens all the time, man. You'll ask for certain blood work and they won't give you what you asked for. Unfortunately, that's the medical system that we have to deal with. You just got to try again. But this time hopefully they'll listen.

Yeah man. That’s ridiculous. Especially when we’re paying out of pocket for the tests! I specifically asked for sensitive e2 because I’ve heard numerous times that tren makes the regular test artificially show high. Maybe similar to how deca makes test read higher? Oh well. I’ll still take a moderate dose of adex and see if I feel any different. I’ll really don’t need hcg on cycle so I’ll cut that.

 

[stevesmi]

Yeah man. That’s ridiculous. Especially when we’re paying out of pocket for the tests! I specifically asked for sensitive e2 because I’ve heard numerous times that tren makes the regular test artificially show high. Maybe similar to how deca makes test read higher? Oh well. I’ll still take a moderate dose of adex and see if I feel any different. I’ll really don’t need hcg on cycle so I’ll cut that.

yes they don't care. when you work in that industry you might start off caring, but the longer you stay in there the less you care. you just want to put in the hours and leave. it is a grind working those jobs and you aren't paid very much to care

 

[2Thick]

I don’t have any symptoms of high e2. I usually run in the low 50s on a cruise of 200 - 240 and in the mid to low 60s on my last cycle of 360test/200 deca. Have always felt fine.

You've been lucky before, but it's important to remember our bodies do change. What may have worked before and you may have gotten away with may not work in the future. It's always good to keep an AI on hand. @ChrisBal

 

[ChrisBal]

You've been lucky before, but it's important to remember our bodies do change. What may have worked before and you may have gotten away with may not work in the future. It's always good to keep an AI on hand. @ChrisBal

Absolutely! Always keep it on hand. Started .5mg last night and dropped the hcg.

 

[2Thick]

Absolutely! Always keep it on hand. Started .5mg last night and dropped the hcg.

bloodwork also never lies

 

[Ulter]

Absolutely! Always keep it on hand. Started .5mg last night and dropped the hcg.

no need for hcg regardless @ChrisBal just gonna spike estrogen and cause other issues for nothing. use natty supps instead

 

[ceo]

I plan to post a progress update tomorrow with picture, but just got back my recent bloods and wanted to throw em out here.

Cycle is test 60mg eod (210wk), tren ace 65 eod (230), HGH 2iu daily, hcg 800 weekly. At the five week mark.

I’d like to get some opinions on the results. I think I should keep an eye on my ferritin and hct. I don’t want to donate with my ferritin getting low.

I asked for a lipid panel and they didn’t include HDL, LDL, or triglycerides. I also asked for sensitive e2, and igf-1 ms. Just estrodisl and regular igf1 were performed.

I’m thinking of dropping the hcg for the remainder of the cycle and throwing in 2mg arimidex for a week or two. I don’t have symptoms of being low but I’m curious if I’ll feel different lowering estradiol.

Thanks for any input!

@ChrisBal bros all things considered on a cycle like that yo bloods look good. when i ran tren in the past my bloods half of them off lol. so i would say things looking good so far!

 

[ChrisBal]

@ChrisBal bros all things considered on a cycle like that yo bloods look good. when i ran tren in the past my bloods half of them off lol. so i would say things looking good so far!

Thanks man! Thats good to hear. First time running it and this is my half way point.

 

[ROIDDERS]

I plan to post a progress update tomorrow with picture, but just got back my recent bloods and wanted to throw em out here.

Cycle is test 60mg eod (210wk), tren ace 65 eod (230), HGH 2iu daily, hcg 800 weekly. At the five week mark.

I’d like to get some opinions on the results. I think I should keep an eye on my ferritin and hct. I don’t want to donate with my ferritin getting low.

I asked for a lipid panel and they didn’t include HDL, LDL, or triglycerides. I also asked for sensitive e2, and igf-1 ms. Just estrodisl and regular igf1 were performed.

I’m thinking of dropping the hcg for the remainder of the cycle and throwing in 2mg arimidex for a week or two. I don’t have symptoms of being low but I’m curious if I’ll feel different lowering estradiol.

Thanks for any input!

Keep up the good work man. I like this cycle a lot. Anything with Trenbolone is definitely a fantastic option. When it comes to estrogen it's going to vary with everybody. Just keep an eye on things. You don't want your estrogen to crash. @ChrisBal

 

[ChrisBal]

181.6lbs this morning

Tren increased my BP a bit. I’ve added telmisartan and got it down to 127/82. Much better.

I’ve been felling good and since bloods came back half way decent I added 25mg anavar pre workout (4 days). Still gauging the effects here. I definitely feel great in the gym. I haven’t taken any oral before this and was mainly curious.

Since time is my biggest constraint, I haven’t been doing as much cardio as I have in prior cuts. I’m going to fully commit myself to at least 5 days of 30 minute moderate cardio per week. My goal is 10% body fat and I’m at least 5% away if not a little more.

I only have 4 weeks left on this cycle. I won’t be able to reach my goal by then. Ill reevaluate then and decide to keep going on a TRT dose or switch to primo to prevent going catabolic.

Updated picture and product I’m using.

 

[LevButlerov]

181.6lbs this morning

Tren increased my BP a bit. I’ve added telmisartan and got it down to 127/82. Much better.

I’ve been felling good and since bloods came back half way decent I added 25mg anavar pre workout (4 days). Still gauging the effects here. I definitely feel great in the gym. I haven’t taken any oral before this and was mainly curious.

Since time is my biggest constraint, I haven’t been doing as much cardio as I have in prior cuts. I’m going to fully commit myself to at least 5 days of 30 minute moderate cardio per week. My goal is 10% body fat and I’m at least 5% away if not a little more.

I only have 4 weeks left on this cycle. I won’t be able to reach my goal by then. Ill reevaluate then and decide to keep going on a TRT dose or switch to primo to prevent going catabolic.

Updated picture and product I’m using.

You look big and thick in the pics and the shape is holding clean
even with the BP bump from tren, Telmisartan bringing you to 127 over 82 is solid, it should be fine @ChrisBal
the 25mg anavar pre training fits fine but you need to get ed taurine in there

and what gear is that? i dont see this brand approved

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

 

[Allupfromhere]

181.6lbs this morning

Tren increased my BP a bit. I’ve added telmisartan and got it down to 127/82. Much better.

I’ve been felling good and since bloods came back half way decent I added 25mg anavar pre workout (4 days). Still gauging the effects here. I definitely feel great in the gym. I haven’t taken any oral before this and was mainly curious.

Since time is my biggest constraint, I haven’t been doing as much cardio as I have in prior cuts. I’m going to fully commit myself to at least 5 days of 30 minute moderate cardio per week. My goal is 10% body fat and I’m at least 5% away if not a little more.

I only have 4 weeks left on this cycle. I won’t be able to reach my goal by then. Ill reevaluate then and decide to keep going on a TRT dose or switch to primo to prevent going catabolic.

Updated picture and product I’m using.

If your bloods are still decent bro, could you not extend the cycle for another 2 weeks? 6 weeks from where your physique is at now is a solid amount of time to drop some weight and the tren will hold your muscle for sure.
You could hammer in some progress in another 6 weeks!

 

[Dreamer]

181.6lbs this morning

Tren increased my BP a bit. I’ve added telmisartan and got it down to 127/82. Much better.

I’ve been felling good and since bloods came back half way decent I added 25mg anavar pre workout (4 days). Still gauging the effects here. I definitely feel great in the gym. I haven’t taken any oral before this and was mainly curious.

Since time is my biggest constraint, I haven’t been doing as much cardio as I have in prior cuts. I’m going to fully commit myself to at least 5 days of 30 minute moderate cardio per week. My goal is 10% body fat and I’m at least 5% away if not a little more.

I only have 4 weeks left on this cycle. I won’t be able to reach my goal by then. Ill reevaluate then and decide to keep going on a TRT dose or switch to primo to prevent going catabolic.

Updated picture and product I’m using.

Get that cardio in man, that will also help with the BP, your looking good though.

 

[ChrisBal]

You look big and thick in the pics and the shape is holding clean
even with the BP bump from tren, Telmisartan bringing you to 127 over 82 is solid, it should be fine @ChrisBal
the 25mg anavar pre training fits fine but you need to get ed taurine in there

and what gear is that? i dont see this brand approved

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

I absolutely love this brand. All batches are sent for COAs. Top notch customer service. Fast shipping here in the US (2 days). Am I allowed to post that picture here since it’s not approved? If so I can remove it.

 

[ChrisBal]

If your bloods are still decent bro, could you not extend the cycle for another 2 weeks? 6 weeks from where your physique is at now is a solid amount of time to drop some weight and the tren will hold your muscle for sure.
You could hammer in some progress in another 6 weeks!

I’ll be honest, I didn’t consider it. I’ve always heard to keep tren cycles short. I’m doing 10 weeks. I wouldn’t mind extending out a bit more….

 

[ChrisBal]

Get that cardio in man, that will also help with the BP, you’re looking good though.

Thanks bro!

 

[Allupfromhere]

I’ll be honest, I didn’t consider it. I’ve always heard to keep tren cycles short. I’m doing 10 weeks. I wouldn’t mind extending out a bit more….

If your dealing with tren well and the side arent being detrimental to your recovery, and your is a reasonable place bloodwork wise 2 more weeks isnt going to hurt at all. If anything it will relieve some stress you might now realise your putting on yourself from having a set time frame you put it place to reach your target.

Its always difficult when we set the goal post and timeline for what we want to achieve to then, as we get close, realise it might not be close enough to reach. But just a little more time can allow us to get that little bit closer and smooths out the mental side of things where we can be a touch negative on ourselves for maybe not reaching what we had set out to do.

I say give yourself another 2 weeks again on what you have left. Dig deep, dont slip and stay super tight to the plan. Remember this is want to want so dont let anything or any impulses get in the way of these next 6 weeks.

You give it everything and then you can be proud that you have done so. Will you get to 10% maybe yes and maybe no. What i do know is your going to be as close to getting there as possible if you lock it in hard right now.

What else it will do is give you the knowledge and experience for your next run too. Pne cycle isnt the end all or be all, after all it really is a marathon not a race and a lifestyle of progression.

I know you got it in you to put the foot flat to the floor and bring home these next 6 weeks strong

I also truly believe your going to shock yourself with how much your going to achieve if you do

Lets get to work brother, these are the championship rounds. Now ask yourself how much do you truly want it

 

[LevButlerov]

I absolutely love this brand. All batches are sent for COAs. Top notch customer service. Fast shipping here in the US (2 days). Am I allowed to post that picture here since it’s not approved? If so I can remove it.

You can post pic no issues but seems fishy for the brand. You test it for heavy metals? and contaminants? @ChrisBal

 

[ChrisBal]

If your dealing with tren well and the side arent being detrimental to your recovery, and your is a reasonable place bloodwork wise 2 more weeks isnt going to hurt at all. If anything it will relieve some stress you might now realise your putting on yourself from having a set time frame you put it place to reach your target.

Its always difficult when we set the goal post and timeline for what we want to achieve to then, as we get close, realise it might not be close enough to reach. But just a little more time can allow us to get that little bit closer and smooths out the mental side of things where we can be a touch negative on ourselves for maybe not reaching what we had set out to do.

I say give yourself another 2 weeks again on what you have left. Dig deep, dont slip and stay super tight to the plan. Remember this is want to want so dont let anything or any impulses get in the way of these next 6 weeks.

You give it everything and then you can be proud that you have done so. Will you get to 10% maybe yes and maybe no. What i do know is your going to be as close to getting there as possible if you lock it in hard right now.

What else it will do is give you the knowledge and experience for your next run too. Pne cycle isnt the end all or be all, after all it really is a marathon not a race and a lifestyle of progression.

I know you got it in you to put the foot flat to the floor and bring home these next 6 weeks strong

I also truly believe your going to shock yourself with how much your going to achieve if you do

Lets get to work brother, these are the championship rounds. Now ask yourself how much do you truly want it

Damn man! You need to write a motivational book ha! Great stuff!!! I’ll give myself a few more weeks. I’ll keep grinding hard!

 

[Allupfromhere]

Damn man! You need to write a motivational book ha! Great stuff!!! I’ll give myself a few more weeks. I’ll keep grinding hard!

Im here for you brother, we all are! Ill be following closely now. Lets get this done together

 

[Allupfromhere]

You need to write a motivational book ha!

I do try my best lol

 

[ceo]

Thanks man! Thats good to hear. First time running it and this is my half way point.

Boss. Hell yeah. That's what I like to hear.

 

[ChrisBal]

You can post pic no issues but seems fishy for the brand. You test it for heavy metals? and contaminants? @ChrisBal

I’m not aware if it’s been tested for heavy metals. I’ve just been happy with the lab so far. I did order para pharma for my next vial of tren a though. I’d like to see how the pip compares.

 

[LevButlerov]

I’m not aware if it’s been tested for heavy metals. I’ve just been happy with the lab so far. I did order para pharma for my next vial of tren a though. I’d like to see how the pip compares.

You're better off with para pharma it's EVO family tested and approved @ChrisBal

 

[ChrisBal]

I mentioned before that I was holding a steady weight on the scale. Usually this would be good if I wanted a recomp but I know based on my diet, holding weight shouldn’t be possible.

I was having some crazy stomach issues. Slow gastric emptying led to all kinds of problems at night. I feel like I was possibly holding a lot of water as a result. I think this happened because of the Reta + cjc/ipa + an antacid I was taking. I dropped the Reta dose down a bit and cut out the cjc/ipa and antacid. I’ve struggled with acid reflux for years. I recently read a post about betaine HCL. I’m giving this a try to see if my problem is actually low stomach acid causing acid reflux. So far so good.

I’m taking GH. The cjc/ipa was purely for the sleep benefits. I sleep very hard and wake up incredibly rested when taking 250mcg before bed. Almost immediately after removing it from my stack the stomach issues went away. Interestingly enough, I can see a visible different in my abs after just a few days, making me think I was holding some subconscious water.

I mentioned before I started taking 25mg anavar pre workout. I’m going to drop it for now since I’ll likely extended my cycle by a few weeks. I may add it in everyday for the last 4 weeks or I may save it for another cycle.

Overall I’m feeling motivated, satiated, and ready to hit the gym today!

 

[Freki]

I mentioned before that I was holding a steady weight on the scale. Usually this would be good if I wanted a recomp but I know based on my diet, holding weight shouldn’t be possible.

I was having some crazy stomach issues. Slow gastric emptying led to all kinds of problems at night. I feel like I was possibly holding a lot of water as a result. I think this happened because of the Reta + cjc/ipa + an antacid I was taking. I dropped the Reta dose down a bit and cut out the cjc/ipa and antacid. I’ve struggled with acid reflux for years. I recently read a post about betaine HCL. I’m giving this a try to see if my problem is actually low stomach acid causing acid reflux. So far so good.

I’m taking GH. The cjc/ipa was purely for the sleep benefits. I sleep very hard and wake up incredibly rested when taking 250mcg before bed. Almost immediately after removing it from my stack the stomach issues went away. Interestingly enough, I can see a visible different in my abs after just a few days, making me think I was holding some subconscious water.

I mentioned before I started taking 25mg anavar pre workout. I’m going to drop it for now since I’ll likely extended my cycle by a few weeks. I may add it in everyday for the last 4 weeks or I may save it for another cycle.

Overall I’m feeling motivated, satiated, and ready to hit the gym today!

Good changes mate, nice work listening to your body. Have you tried a Proton pump inhibitor before?

 

[ChrisBal]

Good changes mate, nice work listening to your body. Have you tried a Proton pump inhibitor before?

I have. I felt like I had no stomach acid left. I think it was just a bit too strong.

 

[LevButlerov]

I mentioned before that I was holding a steady weight on the scale. Usually this would be good if I wanted a recomp but I know based on my diet, holding weight shouldn’t be possible.

I was having some crazy stomach issues. Slow gastric emptying led to all kinds of problems at night. I feel like I was possibly holding a lot of water as a result. I think this happened because of the Reta + cjc/ipa + an antacid I was taking. I dropped the Reta dose down a bit and cut out the cjc/ipa and antacid. I’ve struggled with acid reflux for years. I recently read a post about betaine HCL. I’m giving this a try to see if my problem is actually low stomach acid causing acid reflux. So far so good.

I’m taking GH. The cjc/ipa was purely for the sleep benefits. I sleep very hard and wake up incredibly rested when taking 250mcg before bed. Almost immediately after removing it from my stack the stomach issues went away. Interestingly enough, I can see a visible different in my abs after just a few days, making me think I was holding some subconscious water.

I mentioned before I started taking 25mg anavar pre workout. I’m going to drop it for now since I’ll likely extended my cycle by a few weeks. I may add it in everyday for the last 4 weeks or I may save it for another cycle.

Overall I’m feeling motivated, satiated, and ready to hit the gym today!

Good call dropping the cjc ipa and antacid because the fast stomach relief and the visible change in your abs means you were holding water from that combo. @ChrisBal
Lowering retatrutide and adding betaine HCL makes sense.
You really do need digestive supplements, which ones are you taking now?

 

[R.AP]

This will be the first log I’ve done. Pretty excited to get it started. I’m starting it out mid-cycle, but better late than never, right?



42 years old

5’8

183lbs

15% body fat (approximately)



Training:

4 day split reduced from 5 for cut.

Upper push, legs, upper push, legs/upper



Breakfast: usually 3 eggs, 3 slices of high protein turkey bacon, and one pack of instant oats with chia seeds added for fiber



Lunch: 7 oz chicken breast or skinless thigh with a cup of rice



Mid day: 7oz more chicken, 1 cup rice or a protein shake



Dinner: whatever the family eats. Always high protein and fairly healthy



Water: 5-6 L each day, sometimes a bit more.



PEDs

Test 60mg / tren ace 65mg EOD

HGH 2iu ED

HCG 750mg per week

Reta 5mg weekly (2.5mg x2)



Goal:

Reach 10% body fat

Maintain for several months

Lean bulk



Bloods: I can post more details but out of range numbers are LDL 150s, and BP usually runs around 135/80. BP has jumped up with the tren so I’ve ordered Telmisartan and Nebivolol. I’ll start slow and with the telmisartan first. Started aiming for three days of cardio at 30 minutes with a HR of 135-140.



Retesting blood after week 5.



Challenges:

• I’ve tracked my cuts so many times I’m tired of doing daily tracking and ridged meal planning. I eat healthy and track from time to time to keep things in check. This isn’t as dialed in as when I’d track daily.
• I’m extremely busy between a demanding career and two boys at home. This can challenge me with meal prep and gym time (sometimes).
• Alcohol from time to time. This was somewhat of an issue months ago but it’s gotten much better. Averaging 3 drinks a week but cutting out for all of November.
• I can be stubborn and sometimes have an “all or nothing” personality.

Background:

I’ve lifted off and on since 18 years old. Various things have pulled me away from time to time. Mainly a busy job with a wonky schedule, stress, or small injuries. When I was younger I felt that powering through the pain was a good idea. How wrong I was! My last cycle included 200mg deca and that seemed to give my nagging shoulder pain time to heal and proper support muscle to grow.



I started test in my 20’s then stopped due to severe acne. Started back up in my late 30’s and ran into the same acne issue. I had bad acne as a teenager and attributed my test acne being as just being prone to it since I was only taking 160mg weekly. I decided to go on Accutane and hopefully rid myself of it for good.



About a year and a half ago I left an extremely high stress role at work and found myself severely out of shape for my standards. I was about 25%+ body fat with higher LDL and BP. I started test again and dropped my body fat to around 20% and went from 182lbs to 200lbs. Muscle memory is a real thing. My strength exploded and I felt wonderful. I’ve since dropped to 182 and about 14 - 15% body fat



My plan is to run my current cycle for a total of 10 weeks. Tomorrow starts week 4. I originally started with 50mg tren ace eod, but decided to jump up to 65 when I didn’t “feel” it enough. “All or nothing” right? I realize staying at 50 was the correct option, but here I am.

Sir! Nice first entry, and welcome to the forums.

Definitely want to address LDL and BP moving forward. Telmi is a nice little ancillary but you can make major shifts int he right direction through nutrition, which will also help gains in the long run. Thing about electrolytes; you can add the following;

Potato
Asparagus
Banana
Apricots
Heart Salt

Also for LDL you might like to add the following health supps to assist with reducing LDL:

Citrus bergamot
Red yeast rice extract
Plant sterols


Awesome physique

 

[ChrisBal]

Sir! Nice first entry, and welcome to the forums.

Definitely want to address LDL and BP moving forward. Telmi is a nice little ancillary but you can make major shifts int he right direction through nutrition, which will also help gains in the long run. Thing about electrolytes; you can add the following;

Potato
Asparagus
Banana
Apricots
Heart Salt

Also for LDL you might like to add the following health supps to assist with reducing LDL:

Citrus bergamot
Red yeast rice extract
Plant sterols


Awesome physique

Unfortunately I’ve had slightly high BP since I was much younger than I am now. I’ve never seen those 115/70 something numbers. I don’t know how much is genetic but I know half my family has high BP. It’s something I definitely don’t like.

I’m currently taking citrus beef and red yeast daily. I’ll look at the plant sterols.

 

[ChrisBal]

Good call dropping the cjc ipa and antacid because the fast stomach relief and the visible change in your abs means you were holding water from that combo. @ChrisBal
Lowering retatrutide and adding betaine HCL makes sense.
You really do need digestive supplements, which ones are you taking now?

I’m taking “Physician’s Choice” Digestive Enzymes. Anything else you’d recommend?

 

[LevButlerov]

I’m taking “Physician’s Choice” Digestive Enzymes. Anything else you’d recommend?

This is good actually how about probiotic? @ChrisBal

 

[ChrisBal]

This is good actually how about probiotic? @ChrisBal

Pro by what? Haha!

That’s for gut health right? I’m not familiar with them and haven’t taken one before! I’m sure I could benefit from it!

 

[ChrisBal]

This is good actually how about probiotic? @ChrisBal

How about something like this?

 

[LevButlerov]

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How about something like this?

That's good too, get it