Cycle advice

[Flyingandrei]

Hi evo users (loving the podcasts via spotify mobster and steve)

Earlier this year i started a cycle under a coach who is popular with the decca only/dbol only methods as a safe first cycle not to have to worry about gyno or hard shutdown.

The cycle was great 400mg deca for months, added in some dbol awhile after too. 40mg dbol that was great until i got crippling low back pumps in the gym so i went to 40mg dbol solo the past few months.

My issue is i feel like shit, wake up daily, no energy, lethargic. Brain fog, libido is in a state of my cock dosent give a fuck if it gets pussy or not (As a natty i was a horn dog) bit of a laugh for the lads.

I want to switch from dbol to testosterone but i know its not recommended if high body fat. I am week 3 cutting. 115kg currently body fat estimate high 20s- 30%.

I am coaching myself now. Would it be best to keep cutting and wait to start test? Or would i be able to start on a low dose like 200mg? Happy to log once starting test.

 

[Flyingandrei]

UPDATED POST

Hi evo users (loving the podcasts via spotify mobster and steve).

Apologies in advance for novelty but i know theres some well knowledgeable people on this forum. I am seeking advice on starting second cycle.Testosterone

FIRST CYCLE
Earlier this year i started a cycle under a coach who is popular with the decca only/dbol only methods as a safe first cycle not to have to worry about gyno or hard shutdown.


FIRST CYCLE DOSSAGES
The cycle was great 400mg deca (2x pins 200mg a week) for months, added in some dbol awhile after too. 40mg dbol oral liquid suspension that was great until i got crippling low back pumps months later in the gym also coach said to drop decca when i start cutting so i went to 40mg dbol solo the past few weeks.

ISSUE
My issue is the first couple months on cycle was good but after that i felt like shit energy wise like i did before any anabolics,

I wake up daily, no energy, lethargic. Brain fog, libido is in a state of my cock dosent give a fuck if it gets pussy or not (As a natty i was a horn dog) bit of a laugh for the lads.

Anabolics wise I now want to switch from dbol to testosterone 1. I'm % sure this is the reason i feel like shit as my blood test results pre anabolic as a natty was appalling but i know its not recommended if high body fat.

2. I am in week 3 cutting. 115.5kg currently body fat estimate high 20s- 30%.

CALORIES/MACROS
Cutting Calories 2800 (bulking was 3300)
Macros 234gram protein 73grams fats 305grams carbs
Flexible dieting approach preferred.
10,000 steps a day
179cm height

Been training since 2016 more serious 2018


SOLUTION
I am coaching myself now. Would it be best to keep cutting on dbol only to reach lower body fat% and wait to start test? Or would i be able to drop dbol and start on a low dose of test like 200mg pinned 2x 100mg a week? Im guessing a pct would not be needed from dbol to starting test as it will be waste of time getting shutdown to recover when test is going to shut me down again anyway

Any help appreciated Happy to LOG once started test.

 

[Flyingandrei]

bloodwork before starting first cycle as a natty

 

[s.gentz]

I hope you’re kidding? Deca and dbol for cutting??
Sounds like your coach is a moron. You need to be doing research on your own. Your body fat is way to high to be taking anything.
My advice would be to come off of everything, do a pct and get your hormones/bloodwork in check.
Get your diet in check before you even think of drugs again.

 

[Flyingandrei]

I hope you’re kidding? Deca and dbol for cutting??
Sounds like your coach is a moron. You need to be doing research on your own. Your body fat is way to high to be taking anything.
My advice would be to come off of everything, do a pct and get your hormones/bloodwork in check.
Get your diet in check before you even think of drugs

 

[stevesmi]

thanks for listening to the podcast.

sounds like your estrogen is out of control combined with high body fat.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hi evo users (loving the podcasts via spotify mobster and steve)

Earlier this year i started a cycle under a coach who is popular with the decca only/dbol only methods as a safe first cycle not to have to worry about gyno or hard shutdown.

The cycle was great 400mg deca for months, added in some dbol awhile after too. 40mg dbol that was great until i got crippling low back pumps in the gym so i went to 40mg dbol solo the past few months.

My issue is i feel like shit, wake up daily, no energy, lethargic. Brain fog, libido is in a state of my cock dosent give a fuck if it gets pussy or not (As a natty i was a horn dog) bit of a laugh for the lads.

I want to switch from dbol to testosterone but i know its not recommended if high body fat. I am week 3 cutting. 115kg currently body fat estimate high 20s- 30%.

I am coaching myself now. Would it be best to keep cutting and wait to start test? Or would i be able to start on a low dose like 200mg? Happy to log once starting test.

UPDATED POST

Hi evo users (loving the podcasts via spotify mobster and steve).

Apologies in advance for novelty but i know theres some well knowledgeable people on this forum. I am seeking advice on starting second cycle.Testosterone

FIRST CYCLE
Earlier this year i started a cycle under a coach who is popular with the decca only/dbol only methods as a safe first cycle not to have to worry about gyno or hard shutdown.


FIRST CYCLE DOSSAGES
The cycle was great 400mg deca (2x pins 200mg a week) for months, added in some dbol awhile after too. 40mg dbol oral liquid suspension that was great until i got crippling low back pumps months later in the gym also coach said to drop decca when i start cutting so i went to 40mg dbol solo the past few weeks.

ISSUE
My issue is the first couple months on cycle was good but after that i felt like shit energy wise like i did before any anabolics,

I wake up daily, no energy, lethargic. Brain fog, libido is in a state of my cock dosent give a fuck if it gets pussy or not (As a natty i was a horn dog) bit of a laugh for the lads.

Anabolics wise I now want to switch from dbol to testosterone 1. I'm % sure this is the reason i feel like shit as my blood test results pre anabolic as a natty was appalling but i know its not recommended if high body fat.

2. I am in week 3 cutting. 115.5kg currently body fat estimate high 20s- 30%.

CALORIES/MACROS
Cutting Calories 2800 (bulking was 3300)
Macros 234gram protein 73grams fats 305grams carbs
Flexible dieting approach preferred.
10,000 steps a day
179cm height

Been training since 2016 more serious 2018


SOLUTION
I am coaching myself now. Would it be best to keep cutting on dbol only to reach lower body fat% and wait to start test? Or would i be able to drop dbol and start on a low dose of test like 200mg pinned 2x 100mg a week? Im guessing a pct would not be needed from dbol to starting test as it will be waste of time getting shutdown to recover when test is going to shut me down again anyway

Any help appreciated Happy to LOG once started test.

@Flyingandrei welcome to the EVO family with open arms, very good you are listening to the podcast, @Mobster and @stevesmi are here in the community.

Cycle
I think you had a terrible coach but many so called "coaches" are just guys trying to get money for their gear or sell their gear, they dont care about the client.
First thing, you are right you need to switch from dbol to testosterone only cycle, basically self-TRT.
We should use 250mgs testosterone/week split into 2 shots.
But this is all guessing as we have NOT seen your LOG and dont know much about you.

Log
You had a coach right? so you were recording certain info, so you need to start the LOG now, before you even start your testosterone. Reason being is we need to dial in your diet, training, cardio, sleep and we need to find out more about you, history etc to properly guide you in the cycle.

If you want true guidance of the EVO family, you need to start your LOG today in a NEW thread, share your diet training cardio sleep supp intake right now and we guide you from there.

HOW?

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
We have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Post-Dbol testosterone cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
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https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
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https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

 

[LevButlerov]

bloodwork before starting first cycle as a natty
View attachment 63227

Just as a side note, IMO your dbol is fake but thats not going to fix anything now.

 

[Flyingandrei]

Sounds like your coach is a moron. You need to be doing research on your own. Your body fat is way to high to be taking anything.

My advice would be to come off of everything, do a pct and get your hormones/bloodwork in check.
Get your diet in check before you even think of

I think you twisted it or may have read it incorrectly. Decca with dbol was my bulking cycle i ran up until i started cutting.

thanks for listening to the podcast.

sounds like your estrogen is out of control combined with high body fat.

i thought that too but when i got tested again it was fine. I'll attach screenshot.

Where do i go from here Steve? I mean my natural test levels and shb is low as fuck... my bodyfat is slightly high coming iff a bulk.

Surely a low dose can be taken? Im happy to still cut until its lowered 15-12% ive cut and bulk many of times.

 

[Flyingandrei]

Just as a side note, IMO your dbol is fake but thats not going to fix anything now.

Awesome i am happy to do the log after i start test.

Just as a side note, IMO your dbol is fake but thats not going to fix anything no

Just as a side note, IMO your dbol is fake but thats not going to fix anything now.

How do you know the dbol is fake bro? This bloodwork is when i was fully natural. Never touched a drop or pin.

 

[LevButlerov]

Awesome i am happy to do the log after i start test.


How do you know the dbol is fake bro? This bloodwork is when i was fully natural. Never touched a drop or pin.

I think a log should start now, to understand your situation now.

Fake dbol, strange you have low test levels. Whats the dbol brand? you have a picture? where did you get it?

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro you need to follow our guidance
post up some pictures let's see what you made of hopefully you post up some nudes as well lol jk

 

[Quadsweep]

the podcast is the best i agree
we would love for you to join the community with a log
check out the other logs you'll learn a lot and you'll definitely get great results from it

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Awesome i am happy to do the log after i start test.


How do you know the dbol is fake bro? This bloodwork is when i was fully natural. Never touched a drop or pin.

Very much looking forward to your log

 

[JasonPriest]

there is a huge difference between 20% and 30% body fat
this is why it's important to get your log up and post pictures so we can give you an accurate number

 

[Austin316]

I think the first thing you need to do is get a log going
everything has to be organized going forward it seems like you're all over the place

 

[sambee38]

you really do need to put up a log
gonna be really hard to help you navigate through these landmines

 

[BookerTNY]

this is definitely one where I log is mandatory
we're not going to be able to help you without 1 on this 1

 

[Arabian]

the guys above are correct you need to do a log for us
if you are really that overweight we need to get you into top shape

 

[Mobster]

I hope you’re kidding? Deca and dbol for cutting??
Sounds like your coach is a moron. You need to be doing research on your own. Your body fat is way to high to be taking anything.
My advice would be to come off of everything, do a pct and get your hormones/bloodwork in check.
Get your diet in check before you even think of drugs again.

This absolutely

Thanks for the podcasts thumbs up