Approved Log Cycle - Training - Diet - Supplement Log

[Quadsweep]

Can't wait to see these results.

Will be really good to see you progress. And I think you've got the genetics to really do some damage.

 

[Mobster]

Something which I have had myself is a killer workout followed by a hill climb.... boom low sugar.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I love how you looked at the issues, made some changes, and then measured the results. Great way to take on any issues.

 

[ballin2504]

Cycle Log Update – Addressing Liver & Stomach Issues


Since starting this cycle, I have been feeling great overall. Strength has been solid, energy levels are high, and fatigue is minimal. It really makes me think my previous TRT may not have been delivering proper testosterone levels, and now that I am on a proper Test E protocol, things are functioning the way they should, still early days but every daynis better and its honestly like a dam miracle for me.


However, over the past few days as reported, I started experiencing some strange symptoms that made me reassess a few things.

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Symptoms Experienced Over the Last Few Days​

• Diarrhea for a couple of days
• Intermittent stitch under my right rib (liver area)
• Queasiness after taking my vitamins and Anavar (both morning and evening)
• Brain fog and stomach aches that turned into extreme hunger
• Tight chest, goosebumps, slight weakness, and slightly blurred vision
• Mild shortness of breath later in the evening

At first, I wasn’t sure if it was a side effect of the cycle or just the onset of an illness, but after reviewing everything, it looks like a combination of multiple things happening at the same time—and most of them were avoidable mistakes. Now I am far from an expert but I dug into it pretty deep and this was the outcome.

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What I Believe Was Causing It​

1. Anavar on an Empty Stomach
   
   • Anavar can cause nausea, digestive issues, and blood sugar fluctuations when taken without food.
   • I was taking it with my morning vitamins on an empty stomach, which may have hit my system too fast and led to brain fog, hunger swings, and weakness.
2. Zinc and High-Dose Vitamins on an Empty Stomach
   
   • Zinc is well known for causing nausea when taken without food.
   • High doses of fat-soluble vitamins (D3, Omega-3, Multivitamin) can cause stomach discomfort when taken without a meal.
   • Even though I had already broken up my vitamins into morning and afternoon doses, I was still taking them without food, and this may have been causing stomach upset.
3. Possible Mild Liver Stress from Anavar
   
   • The stitch under my right rib made me suspect mild liver stress, as Anavar is processed in the liver.
   • Since my diet is high in animal fats, my liver is already producing a lot of bile to break everything down, which means it is constantly working hard.
   • If bile was not moving properly, this could have contributed to the discomfort.
4. Blood Sugar Swings from Anavar and Fasting
   
   • Anavar increases insulin sensitivity, which can cause blood sugar to drop faster than usual.
   • I was sometimes taking Anavar and vitamins before eating, then training fasted, which may have led to the hunger, dizziness, and blurred vision.
   • Keeping blood sugar stable is important, especially when using compounds that affect metabolism.

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What I Changed Today (And The Results)​

Today, I took everything with food and separated vitamins that could cause stomach upset.

• Anavar was taken with my largest meals instead of on an empty stomach.
• All vitamins were taken with food instead of before eating.
• I kept my water intake high (3-4L today).
• My diet remained the same. I always have a small portion of broccoli with lunch and spinach with dinner. I did not add any extra fiber.

Results Today:​

• No stitch under the rib at all
• Liver and stomach only had very mild discomfort
• No blood sugar crashes, dizziness, or nausea
• Felt 95% normal again

Silly little mistakes make all the difference. I will keep running things this way and monitor how I feel over the next few days. The takeaway here is that proper meal timing, vitamin spacing, and avoiding unnecessary fasting can make a significant difference in how the body responds.

You’ve done a lot of research and hit a lot of it spot on

 

[aussie.muncher]

You’ve done a lot of research and hit a lot of it spot on

Thanks man, appreciate that. I am doing my best to get this right. So far so good.

 

[aussie.muncher]

I love how you looked at the issues, made some changes, and then measured the results. Great way to take on any issues.

Thank you brother, I try to approach problems with 1st principles and solve them where possible.

 

[aussie.muncher]

UPDATED - 12-Week Muscle Growth Cycle Log – Goal: 8-10kg Muscle Gain​

Stats vs. Baseline - End of week 2​

Measurement	Starting	Current	Change
Weight	74kg	75kg	+1kg
Neck	39cm	40cm	+1cm
Shoulders (circumference)	122cm	125cm	+3cm
Chest (around nipples)	106.5cm	107.5cm	+1cm
Biceps (flexed, Right)	37cm	37.4cm	+0.4cm
Biceps (flexed, Left)	36cm	37cm	+1cm
Forearms (relaxed, Right)	29cm	29cm	No change
Forearms (relaxed, Left)	29cm	28.8cm	-0.2cm
Waist (at navel)	95.9cm	96cm	+0.1cm
Hips (widest part)	96.8cm	98.3cm	+1.5cm
Thighs (flexed, Right)	55cm	57.5cm	+2.5cm
Thighs (flexed, Left)	54.4cm	57.5cm	+3.1cm
Calves (relaxed, Right)	38.1cm	38.5cm	+0.4cm
Calves (relaxed, Left)	37.5cm	37.5cm	No change

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Strength & Performance Gains​

• All lifts are up by about 10%.
• Stamina has increased by ~15%, making workouts feel easier even when pushing heavier weights.
• Recovery is ridiculous—I’m lifting heavier, for longer, and I barely feel sore the next day. This is a completely different experience compared to before the cycle.

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Health & Recovery Updates​

Fatigue Levels​

• Almost completely gone. I feel 85-90% normal again, which hasn’t happened in years.
• Before this cycle, I was constantly exhausted, brain-fogged, and struggling through the day. Now, it feels like I actually have consistent energy levels but I have had a few recent short bouts of fatigue.
• Most likely explanation? My old TRT wasn’t giving me stable testosterone levels, and this higher-dose Test E is finally fixing that issue, I hope in the coming weeks the fatigue is completely gone.

Liver & Digestive Health​

• 98% resolved. The stitch under my right rib is gone, and my stomach is back to normal.
• The only thing I notice now is a very mild liver soreness on rare occasions, but nothing that seems concerning.

Chest Tightness & Breathing Issues​

• Fully gone. Had a few weird moments with this last week, but with the adjustments I already reported, it’s completely disappeared now.

Estrogen Management​

• No signs of high estrogen yet—no bloating, water retention, or mood swings.
• Aromasin is still on standby but hasn’t been needed yet.

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Key Takeaways From This Update​

• +1kg weight gain with almost no fat increase (waist only up +0.1cm).
• Massive size increases in shoulders, thighs, and chest.
• Biceps and calves are growing, forearms stayed about the same (to be fair I haven't trained them).
• Strength up 10%, stamina up 15%.
• Fatigue is almost completely gone (recent small bouts)—this is the best I’ve felt in years.
• Liver and digestion are basically back to normal.
• Chest tightness and breathing issues completely gone.

I'll give another full comparison update at the end of next week.

 

[Noah Wixx]

Welcome

 

[LevButlerov]

UPDATED - 12-Week Muscle Growth Cycle Log – Goal: 8-10kg Muscle Gain​

Stats vs. Baseline - End of week 2​

Measurement	Starting	Current	Change
Weight	74kg	75kg	+1kg
Neck	39cm	40cm	+1cm
Shoulders (circumference)	122cm	125cm	+3cm
Chest (around nipples)	106.5cm	107.5cm	+1cm
Biceps (flexed, Right)	37cm	37.4cm	+0.4cm
Biceps (flexed, Left)	36cm	37cm	+1cm
Forearms (relaxed, Right)	29cm	29cm	No change
Forearms (relaxed, Left)	29cm	28.8cm	-0.2cm
Waist (at navel)	95.9cm	96cm	+0.1cm
Hips (widest part)	96.8cm	98.3cm	+1.5cm
Thighs (flexed, Right)	55cm	57.5cm	+2.5cm
Thighs (flexed, Left)	54.4cm	57.5cm	+3.1cm
Calves (relaxed, Right)	38.1cm	38.5cm	+0.4cm
Calves (relaxed, Left)	37.5cm	37.5cm	No change

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Strength & Performance Gains​

• All lifts are up by about 10%.
• Stamina has increased by ~15%, making workouts feel easier even when pushing heavier weights.
• Recovery is ridiculous—I’m lifting heavier, for longer, and I barely feel sore the next day. This is a completely different experience compared to before the cycle.

---

Health & Recovery Updates​

Fatigue Levels​

• Almost completely gone. I feel 85-90% normal again, which hasn’t happened in years.
• Before this cycle, I was constantly exhausted, brain-fogged, and struggling through the day. Now, it feels like I actually have consistent energy levels but I have had a few recent short bouts of fatigue.
• Most likely explanation? My old TRT wasn’t giving me stable testosterone levels, and this higher-dose Test E is finally fixing that issue, I hope in the coming weeks the fatigue is completely gone.

Liver & Digestive Health​

• 98% resolved. The stitch under my right rib is gone, and my stomach is back to normal.
• The only thing I notice now is a very mild liver soreness on rare occasions, but nothing that seems concerning.

Chest Tightness & Breathing Issues​

• Fully gone. Had a few weird moments with this last week, but with the adjustments I already reported, it’s completely disappeared now.

Estrogen Management​

• No signs of high estrogen yet—no bloating, water retention, or mood swings.
• Aromasin is still on standby but hasn’t been needed yet.

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Key Takeaways From This Update​

• +1kg weight gain with almost no fat increase (waist only up +0.1cm).
• Massive size increases in shoulders, thighs, and chest.
• Biceps and calves are growing, forearms stayed about the same (to be fair I haven't trained them).
• Strength up 10%, stamina up 15%.
• Fatigue is almost completely gone (recent small bouts)—this is the best I’ve felt in years.
• Liver and digestion are basically back to normal.
• Chest tightness and breathing issues completely gone.

I'll give another full comparison update at the end of next week.

Interesting update, keep us updated thanks.

 

[aussie.muncher]

Cycle Log Update – Insane Pumps & Muscle Tightness​

Today’s training session was next level, but not in the way I expected. The pumps were so extreme that it felt like my muscles were about to rip through my skin. My calves locked up so tight after training legs that I physically couldn’t fully extend my leg for a while. On top of that, my biceps and forearms were so engorged that it felt like the skin couldn’t stretch enough to contain the muscle.

This wasn’t just a normal pump—it was beyond uncomfortable and borderline restrictive. It faded about 10 minutes after training, but I still had a lingering pump for about an hour after finishing.

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What’s Causing It?​

• Anavar is almost certainly the main culprit here.

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What I’m Doing to Fix It​

I’m not going to let this impact my training, but I am going to adjust a few things to prevent it from getting worse.

- Increase sodium & potassium – Celtic Sea Salt for sodium, plus a potassium supplement or potassium salt to balance things out.
- Make sure water intake stays at 3.5-4L daily, but include electrolytes so I don’t flush out minerals.
- Take ½ teaspoon of Celtic Sea Salt with 300-500mg of potassium before training to see if it helps.


This was definitely an intense experience, but as long as I manage it properly, I should be able to keep pushing hard without issues. I’ll monitor how these adjustments affect the pumps over the next few sessions and update accordingly.

Happy to take advice if anyone else has a solution for this that is tried and tested.

 

[LevButlerov]

Cycle Log Update – Insane Pumps & Muscle Tightness​

Today’s training session was next level, but not in the way I expected. The pumps were so extreme that it felt like my muscles were about to rip through my skin. My calves locked up so tight after training legs that I physically couldn’t fully extend my leg for a while. On top of that, my biceps and forearms were so engorged that it felt like the skin couldn’t stretch enough to contain the muscle.

This wasn’t just a normal pump—it was beyond uncomfortable and borderline restrictive. It faded about 10 minutes after training, but I still had a lingering pump for about an hour after finishing.

---

What’s Causing It?​

• Anavar is almost certainly the main culprit here.

---

What I’m Doing to Fix It​

I’m not going to let this impact my training, but I am going to adjust a few things to prevent it from getting worse.

- Increase sodium & potassium – Celtic Sea Salt for sodium, plus a potassium supplement or potassium salt to balance things out.
- Make sure water intake stays at 3.5-4L daily, but include electrolytes so I don’t flush out minerals.
- Take ½ teaspoon of Celtic Sea Salt with 300-500mg of potassium before training to see if it helps.


This was definitely an intense experience, but as long as I manage it properly, I should be able to keep pushing hard without issues. I’ll monitor how these adjustments affect the pumps over the next few sessions and update accordingly.

Happy to take advice if anyone else has a solution for this that is tried and tested.

You should be adding an organ liver support and taurine to this mix. @aussie.muncher

 

[aussie.muncher]

You should be adding an organ liver support and taurine to this mix. @aussie.muncher

I am using a product called NOW Liver Refresh, not sure what you think about it but this product has been amazing to me. I had a fatty liver for over a decade and the doctors all said just live with it and tried to put me on statins for cholesterol. I ran a protocol of this stuff and a few other supplements recommended by my coach and after 10 weeks fatty liver was completely resolved, and cholesterol perfect for a carnivore.

I pretty much live off meat and eggs so my diet has high levels of taurine in it, do you think I should also supplement it? I do need to go to the shops and grab a potassium supplement as well.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Professional detail to these updates mate, very nice!!!

 

[25homes]

Diet

 

[LevButlerov]

I am using a product called NOW Liver Refresh, not sure what you think about it but this product has been amazing to me. I had a fatty liver for over a decade and the doctors all said just live with it and tried to put me on statins for cholesterol. I ran a protocol of this stuff and a few other supplements recommended by my coach and after 10 weeks fatty liver was completely resolved, and cholesterol perfect for a carnivore.

I dont use NOW for liver support, I use n2guard, they support the EVO family and n2guard is designed for steroid users. @aussie.muncher but the problem where you are I think is shipping.
https://www.evolutionary.org/n2guard
https://n2guard.com

I pretty much live off meat and eggs so my diet has high levels of taurine in it, do you think I should also supplement it? I do need to go to the shops and grab a potassium supplement as well.

I think you need a lot more than milk thistle for proper liver support, you need around 40 ingredients. That includes taurine, milk thistle, tudca and a whole host of multis.

 

[aussie.muncher]

Hey all

I just learned that apparently I am logging with AI and I am not meant to.

I use Microsoft 365 Business in my company and it has all types of assistance tools including copilot.
Initially I created a template and I fill it in as I go and the math updates for me automatically.
General I copy from my doc what I am tracking and then post it into this log with my own comments.
Is this not ok?

I don't have a lot of time on my hands and there is no way I'll be writing everything out each time by hand.
Id love to continue this log but if this is breaking the rules Ill need to discontinue it as I am not here to piss anyone off, just trying to log my program efficiently.

Can a mod please comment.

Thanks

 

[aussie.muncher]

I dont use NOW for liver support, I use n2guard, they support the EVO family and n2guard is designed for steroid users. @aussie.muncher but the problem where you are I think is shipping.
https://www.evolutionary.org/n2guard
https://n2guard.com


I think you need a lot more than milk thistle for proper liver support, you need around 40 ingredients. That includes taurine, milk thistle, tudca and a whole host of multis.

Yeah man n2guard is super hard to get here unfortunately.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Hey all

I just learned that apparently I am logging with AI and I am not meant to.

I use Microsoft 365 Business in my company and it has all types of assistance tools including copilot.
Initially I created a template and I fill it in as I go and the math updates for me automatically.
General I copy from my doc what I am tracking and then post it into this log with my own comments.
Is this not ok?

I don't have a lot of time on my hands and there is no way I'll be writing everything out each time by hand.
Id love to continue this log but if this is breaking the rules Ill need to discontinue it as I am not here to piss anyone off, just trying to log my program efficiently.

Can a mod please comment.

Thanks

i see bro ill make a comment on the tracking to the IT team to check out Ai score
to be honest looks like all Ai written to us, check below like obviously @aussie.muncher

The pumps were so extreme that it felt like my muscles were about to rip through my skin. My calves locked up so tight after training legs that I physically couldn’t fully extend my leg for a while. On top of that, my biceps and forearms were so engorged that it felt like the skin couldn’t stretch enough to contain the muscle.

we are increasing log quality rules soon, including pics and food updates for all, this is just one of the issues we are addressing bro

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Yeah man n2guard is super hard to get here unfortunately.

yes I noticed n2guard in AU many guys have issues bro

 

[aussie.muncher]

i see bro ill make a comment on the tracking to the IT team to check out Ai score
to be honest looks like all Ai written to us, check below like obviously @aussie.muncher

we are increasing log quality rules soon, including pics and food updates for all, this is just one of the issues we are addressing bro, its not but run it through your AI