Retatrutide - it’s the real deal

[rustle]

Are you doing any step count? Any cardio at all? Log up your my fitness pal daily eating.

Show us calories plus carbs, fat, protein, fiber. Show us Monday - Sunday. Not accusing but i had clients in the past that said tracking accurate and it was way off.

Tracking wrong brands eg lean mince vs normal mince (can throw calories way off) I told my other client off tonight because he was tracking pasta and mince and putting in generic and choosing the lower calorie options (my fitness pal.

I actually totalled it for him. He got 450 calories it was 750 calories. Add that up over the week.

2100 extra calories would blow someone over their deficit

I have a log: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-test-e-and-retatrutide-cycle-log.104587/
I use myfitnesspal already. I put everything in there.

My maintenance calories should be aroune 2100. I am not eating that. There arent some hidden 500-600 hidden calories in the non-existant food im not eating.

At this point ive reinforced my position so many times, i cant be bothered trying to further explain myself in this thread. My food is logged correctly, my training is logged, my cardio is logged. My PED usage and Reta usage is logged. Im tired of reading people's disbelief in what im saying and having to try justify things over and over again.

At this point, i'm done with this thread. Believe me or not. Whatever. Hoping atleast someday someone else might read my experience and be able to relate to it.

 

[Flyingandrei]

I have a log: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-test-e-and-retatrutide-cycle-log.104587/
I use myfitnesspal already. I put everything in there.

My maintenance calories should be aroune 2100. I am not eating that. There arent some hidden 500-600 hidden calories in the non-existant food im not eating.

At this point ive reinforced my position so many times, i cant be bothered trying to further explain myself in this thread. My food is logged correctly, my training is logged, my cardio is logged. My PED usage and Reta usage is logged. Im tired of reading people's disbelief in what im saying and having to try justify things over and over again.

At this point, i'm done with this thread. Believe me or not. Whatever. Hoping atleast someday someone else might read my experience and be able to relate to it.

No hate from me whatsoever just trying help you figure it out to see what is going wrong lastly i can only think of an autoimmune issues or underlying health issue.

I still stand by it though. If you aren't losing then you are not in a calorie deficit. So my last conclusion is you tanked your metabolism that your maintenance has caught up and you have a new set point of calories which is lower than you'd like.

Solution...Try a 1 day fast and see if you loose then a 3 day fast with guidance from @lev or @stevemsi. You would definitely be in a deficit then!

Have you ever had a diet break? Re feed day? You will figure this out man

 

[stevesmi]

i have seen people on these not have success.
i agree trying fasting while on them. the nice thing about these GLP'1's is you wont' go hypo on them like other fat loss drugs. so you can absolutely fast, that might trigger some insulin sensitivity and get your body burning fat more effectively and kickstart things

 

[CreatineMONO]

No hate from me whatsoever just trying help you figure it out to see what is going wrong lastly i can only think of an autoimmune issues or underlying health issue.

I still stand by it though. If you aren't losing then you are not in a calorie deficit. So my last conclusion is you tanked your metabolism that your maintenance has caught up and you have a new set point of calories which is lower than you'd like.

Solution...Try a 1 day fast and see if you loose then a 3 day fast with guidance from @lev or @stevemsi. You would definitely be in a deficit then!

Have you ever had a diet break? Re feed day? You will figure this out man

Quick excerpt on the back of metabolism tanking
"Again findings vary, though in line with the Minnesota experiment which found a 15% adaptation the aforementioned Biggest Loser trial saw adaptations in resting metabolic rate of up to 18% when body composition was accounted for (5). Similarly the Biosphere 2 experiment (which was a fascinating idea – basically trying to see if people could live in a closed ecosystem) saw a reduction in resting metabolic rate adjusted for body composition of 10-15% after chronic underfeeding (1), but other studies found more modest numbers.

The CALERIE study which involved a 25% calorie deficit for 3-6 months found a reduction in TDEE of 6%, for example (6), and similar adaptations (5-7%) seem to be the most common findings (1). Taken together these data suggest that adaptation, when it occurs, seems to amount to between roughly 5-15% of resting metabolic rate, or roughly 50-180kcal per day total.

What is clear, however, that the maximal adaptation ever seen is roughly 18% (the Biggest Loser) while the average is between 5-15 (up to around 180kcal per day), with most studies finding adaptation in the single digits. This happens after at least two weeks of dieting, and the higher adaptation rates only seem to occur after 3-6 months of dietary restriction. Interestingly the MATADOR study published in 2018 (7) found that repeated rounds of two week diet/two week maintenance for 30 weeks achieved the same rate of weight loss as a 16 week continuous diet but with a much reduced level of adaptation, though far more work is needed in this area to be able to say for certain that this is a viable approach."

sourece: https://btn.academy/blog/metabolic-adaptation-weight-loss-science/

This suggests its not a matter of a slowed metabolism, but OP has had enough of this discussion so good luck to him: )

 

[LevButlerov]

No hate from me whatsoever just trying help you figure it out to see what is going wrong lastly i can only think of an autoimmune issues or underlying health issue.

I still stand by it though. If you aren't losing then you are not in a calorie deficit. So my last conclusion is you tanked your metabolism that your maintenance has caught up and you have a new set point of calories which is lower than you'd like.

Solution...Try a 1 day fast and see if you loose then a 3 day fast with guidance from @lev or @stevemsi. You would definitely be in a deficit then!

Have you ever had a diet break? Re feed day? You will figure this out man

Please go @LevButlerov for your @ so I know you commented in future @Flyingandrei

Trying a 1 day fast is a start.

 

[LevButlerov]

@JimEph is reporting 2 weeks of results before and after pictures on retatrutide
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...euro-pharma-cutting-cycle.105081/post-1768086

Here’s 2 weeks before/after on 1mg/week of Reta.

Left side of picture is after


This stuff is no joke, my appetite is gone. Prob going to run it for another 2-3 weeks. Thank god for protein shakes, very difficult to hit my macros

I’ve lost about 3-4lbs - hopefully not too much muscle

 

[zeenote313]

Wanted to give a quick update! I’ve been running gw501516 from PSL (europharma) and Naps (Pharmaqo) along with retatrutide from us peptides from Naps and now retatrutide from umbrella and the stack for a cut cycle is real.

Since November I’ve been taking the standard 20mg/day gw501516 and started the retatrutide at .25mg/week. I’ve since found the sweet spot of 1.5mg/week. Zero sides no nausea just not hungry which is great for me since I’m always hungry! In a little over 3.5 months I’ve dropped 20 pounds (was around 285 now I’m 265) with little to no strength loss.

The retatrutide is not a long term solution I’ll be cutting it out in the next few months once I get to around 250 to then kick off my test/primo/anavar run in May but it’s been a huge help to get me back on track weight wise!

I'm currently microdosing reta (.5mg 3x per wk) on my first off-season bulk, to control insulin sensitivity and to minimise fat gain during. Only been a week but I feel great especially on my high carb days, looking full, hard, and having great fkn pumps at the gym.

 

[LevButlerov]

@zeenote313 is micro dosing retatrutide his feedback -
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/retatrutide-its-the-real-deal.103339/post-1774911

I'm currently microdosing reta (.5mg 3x per wk) on my first off-season bulk, to control insulin sensitivity and to minimise fat gain during. Only been a week but I feel great especially on my high carb days, looking full, hard, and having great fkn pumps at the gym.