How many vials? The entire order is the same orange?Recently ordered from @ugfreak Para Pharma, the Test E 250 is orange. After some research this apparently means the compound is less potent, as well has formed peroxides which can lead to long term muscle tissue damage. Can anyone with expertise please chime in here, as i would prefer not to put it in my body but UGFreak assures me that it is fine contrary to my research. Thanks lads
@opulance please post pics of this para pharma testosterone you got from @ugfreakRecently ordered from @ugfreak Para Pharma, the Test E 250 is orange. After some research this apparently means the compound is less potent, as well has formed peroxides which can lead to long term muscle tissue damage. Can anyone with expertise please chime in here, as i would prefer not to put it in my body but UGFreak assures me that it is fine contrary to my research. Thanks lads
What research? Link us please.Recently ordered from @ugfreak Para Pharma, the Test E 250 is orange. After some research this apparently means the compound is less potent, as well has formed peroxides which can lead to long term muscle tissue damage. Can anyone with expertise please chime in here, as i would prefer not to put it in my body but UGFreak assures me that it is fine contrary to my research. Thanks lads
Thanks for your feedback, like I said I just wanted to get some context and reasoning as I’ve never seen anything like it!
You’re all good. Did you see the pic I linked from another forum member? It’s gotta be a carrier oil change.
That's normal they have changed carrier oils in the past for para pharma. @Opulence
Not unrefined grapeseed and there are other oils when not refined have a yellow tint. @Opulence
That's fine get some more pics up, but what I told you is from actual hands on experience with gear. I dont got a PhD in chemistry but got one in steroid use lol
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@s.gentz its Normal, different regions, different manufacturing centers, different oils
It is safe you are in good hands .
Grape seed oil on the right
How come you chose to go international instead of sticking to the trusted aussie vendors you mentioned brother?
I saw some good reviews on here and saw the discount on UG Freak.
What about contaminates
Good question
You can, as I said above search for 'lab tests' and see for yourself.
You asked for help identifying the oil and I gave a technical breakdown based on color and carrier traits, not pushing anything. @Opulence
we've had this come up several times over the years. the color means NOTHING man. that is just the oil. I have used para pharma gear for years and never even paid attention to the color, even the same order can be different colors, and that my clients use that are different colors and it works. we all wouldn't be winning trophies otherwise and other guys on here using para pharma wouldn't be killing it in their logs if it was fake.Recently ordered from @ugfreak Para Pharma, the Test E 250 is orange. After some research this apparently means the compound is less potent, as well has formed peroxides which can lead to long term muscle tissue damage. Can anyone with expertise please chime in here, as i would prefer not to put it in my body but UGFreak assures me that it is fine contrary to my research. Thanks lads
Yes, i know. That's what i'm conveying to the OP?
Have you not read the responses and seen the pics? It's GTG!
Thats fair game right there!
Yeah sounds like his mind is made up. What ev! More UGFreak test for me!!!!@s.gentz You are, but he has his mind set. I was giving you backup.
What kind of person joins EVO and then answer shops for the answer he's looking for and then shits on the Head Moderator on a board with a quarter million members, all of whom this moderator seems to reply to and give extremely scientific advice to every damned day.
Brother go talk to the Aussies and they will inform you of my reputation.
Haha thanks for the support, I was literally just asking to get a second opinion and engage in the debate.. nothing more nothing less
Oh I've no doubt or else you wouldn't be here. But do you test for, by way of example, contaminants? How do you, as source, address concerns of users. It would be an example to potential future users. After all that was the question asked and to which my quoted by you reply was in response to.
Bros I think you getting paranoid over nothing. The gear is solid. If you don't want it, send it over to me. I'll take it.Recently ordered from @ugfreak Para Pharma, the Test E 250 is orange. After some research this apparently means the compound is less potent, as well has formed peroxides which can lead to long term muscle tissue damage. Can anyone with expertise please chime in here, as i would prefer not to put it in my body but UGFreak assures me that it is fine contrary to my research. Thanks lads
The color of the gear means nothing. It's about the quality of the gear. That's all you should care about.Recently ordered from @ugfreak Para Pharma, the Test E 250 is orange. After some research this apparently means the compound is less potent, as well has formed peroxides which can lead to long term muscle tissue damage. Can anyone with expertise please chime in here, as i would prefer not to put it in my body but UGFreak assures me that it is fine contrary to my research. Thanks lads
that gear looks clean as a whistle. no floaters in there, not crashed. not sure what the problem is. color means NOTHING
Respectfully brother, I don't think there's anything wrong with him asking a question - that's what these boards are for after all, we're here to help and educate
i agree. but i think most everyone on this thread answered the question politely and respectfully. even if someone attacks and starts cursing i always try and be professional cause it doesn't bother me at all. its just the internet lolRespectfully brother, I don't think there's anything wrong with him asking a question - that's what these boards are for after all, we're here to help and educate
And honestly speaking, if I had ordered Test E and a vial containing a bright orange liquid that resembled Tren more than it did Test rocked up I'd have some questions about it too. It just isn't something you'd typically see so it's only normal for him to be curious about it.
Up until recently, it's not something I'd ever seen before either which is what prompted me to dig into it and do some further research. The carrier oil in question isn't something typically used by labs but at least an explanation has been offered and this information is now available to help others who have questions about it in the future.
The more knowledge that is available on these boards the better it is for everyone. That's why EVO is so valuable - it is literally a treasure trove of information spanning across several years. Lots of good info can be found here, and all that information is only available because of questions being asked.
AJ
I did some research during the day and you're right, I was not correct. This is the new oil coming out with sunflower oil. I thought about it originally but historically rarely used so thought it's something else. Good infoJust want to preface this that I'm not commenting on the quality or the efficacy of the product, but just providing some input on the unusual colour after having seen some orange Test E circulating here in Australia - it wasn't something I'd seen before so I did some digging and was told that this is due to the base carrier oil being '812 N' which is derived from sunflower oil. It then undergoes a refining process that transforms it into medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs), so the end product is categorised as an MCT-based carrier oil which makes it a suitable option in pharmaceutical applications.
"812 N is derived from sunflower oil. It undergoes a refining process that includes fractionation and hydrogenation, resulting in a product that contains medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs). This makes it suitable for various applications, particularly in food, cosmetic, and pharmaceutical formulations."
During the refining process the oil turns to a pale yellow colour, and when exposed to heat it can further oxidise resulting in that bright orange/amber hue. You can see an example of another lab who uses this oil where their Test C is the same colour:
https://www.janoshik.com/tests/85562-Testosterone_Cypionate_250_mg_MWM8BC9LAFTH
It’s still very unusual to see a bright orange carrier oil and truthfully I’m not entirely sure what benefits 812 N MCT actually offers over the more common MCT carriers typically used by labs (which are predominantly derived from coconut oil). Hopefully this answers some questions about the bright orange colour even though it does raise some other questions (like what benefits does 812 N actually offer here?)
It’s also worth noting that this seems to be common practice for the finished oils being sold by suppliers directly out of China. I have seen a number of suppliers trying to sell finished oils with this carrier as an alternative when the requested raw materials have been unavailable, so we may be seeing more of these orange oils popping up domestically.
AJ
@UGL OZ Refined sunflower oil and some are with 812N, they are for sure refining it.
All forgiven brother, no hard feelings at all we love having you here in the EVO family
we all have misunderstandings and always try to come to terms. @Opulence
Give @vanlife_gymbum a heads up regarding what he said about testing.
Amazing job at researching this and clearing this up for us. It may help in the future with similar new threads asking the same thing. I'm going to cut and paste this response as a reference it's very well articulated. Good on you AJ for clearing this up both for @UGL OZ and for all of us as well as this is new info to me as well.Just want to preface this that I'm not commenting on the quality or the efficacy of the product, but just providing some input on the unusual colour after having seen some orange Test E circulating here in Australia - it wasn't something I'd seen before so I did some digging and was told that this is due to the base carrier oil being '812 N' which is derived from sunflower oil. It then undergoes a refining process that transforms it into medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs), so the end product is categorised as an MCT-based carrier oil which makes it a suitable option in pharmaceutical applications.
"812 N is derived from sunflower oil. It undergoes a refining process that includes fractionation and hydrogenation, resulting in a product that contains medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs). This makes it suitable for various applications, particularly in food, cosmetic, and pharmaceutical formulations."
During the refining process the oil turns to a pale yellow colour, and when exposed to heat it can further oxidise resulting in that bright orange/amber hue. You can see an example of another lab who uses this oil where their Test C is the same colour:
https://www.janoshik.com/tests/85562-Testosterone_Cypionate_250_mg_MWM8BC9LAFTH
It’s still very unusual to see a bright orange carrier oil and truthfully I’m not entirely sure what benefits 812 N MCT actually offers over the more common MCT carriers typically used by labs (which are predominantly derived from coconut oil). Hopefully this answers some questions about the bright orange colour even though it does raise some other questions (like what benefits does 812 N actually offer here?)
It’s also worth noting that this seems to be common practice for the finished oils being sold by suppliers directly out of China. I have seen a number of suppliers trying to sell finished oils with this carrier as an alternative when the requested raw materials have been unavailable, so we may be seeing more of these orange oils popping up domestically.
AJ
That's a fair response and a mature way to deal with the backlash brother. I respect your restraint in not reacting hostile to the response you got to some of the more 'cheeky' comments you posted. Appreciate you taking it in stride and explaining yourself it takes a person with some tough skin to take a keyboard beating and come back with your hands and heart open to explain and apologize.
I can assure you UGFREAK para pharma gear is as good as it gets. I have orders coming in almost every week for the past 6yrs and it has been A1 quality every time. I'm not a rep but a customer so I get nothing for constantly reviewing them. I have an order coming in today I will be showing. Trust me, Ugfreak para pharma is as good as it gets. Test cyp, retatrutide, NPP will be here today
Definitely stoked with the feedback, left this with some good education.. especially the bloke who went into detail into the different oils!!
you didn't turn orange right?
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Yes. Cyp. His tren is really dark orange as well
starting a log is easy, will take 15min of your time @Opulence I'll share info
I just got a bottle of the same I’ll pin when my day come around and I’ll post a update on how I feel
picwelcome again
Deca and nandrolone can give you anxiety but how far after pic you got this? @Dreamdance1
3 weeks doing doing 1ml a week anxiety hit me hard this week I also felt like the deca lowered my test I wasn’t waking up with morning wood that’s why I ordered the test but that was only one morning lol
Anxiety is a 80/20 70/30 with nandrolones in general I talked about this before @Dreamdance1
Started with the bottle of deca and test. Then anxiety happened wasn’t upset just wanted to keep going got this orange bottle and it raised my concern. I’m new to this but I’ve been putting straight work down in the gym.
thats not a cycle please share your actual dosages and plan @Dreamdance1 and how many cycles?
I’ve very new to this. These are my first two bottles ever. Please help
You’ve been a lot of help brother I still have a lot of questions I’m gonna dive in some research tonight. I’m also gonna pin the diesel fuel looking test 2x week for maybe 6 weeks
Maybe more idk like I said let me do some digging
Hahaha "the diesel fuel"
You look good in the pics, good size
In simple terms Para pharma has their own custom raws made and the raw material is reddish in nature not pure white @Opulence
Yes I'm being serious, though I'm not going off of more than the info para pharma provided the mods.
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