Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below 
@PrinceDaddy can't wait to get you on the podcast man. the man, myth and legend right here. gonna be epic!
Veteran Log PrinceDaddy 2025 Bodybuilding Log (Masters 55+ Competitor)
- Thread starter PrinceDaddy
- Start date
bros you are the big daddy of the EVO family. always chiming in strong. can't believe you lost 6 pounds .. dayum you weight fluctuate a lot @PrinceDaddy
nice tuesday workouts! i like the hard work you are doing. you are proving you are serious @PrinceDaddy 425 banded is solid!
@PrinceDaddy Nice leg workout. Seems like a lot of guys are doing leg training today and that's really cool. Legs are the trunk of the body.
Nice to see you back doing regular updates. The forum just isn't the same without you. You are a huge part of the evolutionary family. @PrinceDaddy
Wednesday : Chest/Shoulders
Thursday : Traps / Tris
Wake Up @ 197
Post Workout @ 191
Step Count: 2K
Yesterday it was 80 unseasonably warm, today raining and 60. As an older guy, I feel it in my bones. This morning definitely seemed to be dragging. They say this is the case as you age. Well seems likely to me. I still got thru my work out this morning.
Lately have been focused on my side project. It seems to be moving along. I'm almost ready to present to the client. I'm hoping this side hustle becomes my new career. We shall see.
Anyone try NAD patch. I brought these:
An NAD patch is designed to deliver NAD+ (nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide) through the skin to help support cellular energy, metabolism, and DNA repair. By providing a boost to the body's NAD+ levels, it aims to increase energy, improve mental clarity, support longevity, and enhance recovery.
How an NAD patch works
Transdermal delivery: The patch uses a method like iontophoresis, which uses a gentle electrical charge to help propel NAD+ through the skin and into the bloodstream, bypassing the digestive system.
Bypassing digestion: This delivery method is an alternative to oral supplements, which can be broken down by stomach acid, and IVs, which require needles.
What it aims to do
Support cellular energy: NAD+ is vital for mitochondrial function, which is the process of converting food into energy for the body's cells.
Improve metabolic health: It can help with glucose and lipid metabolism and may enhance insulin sensitivity.
Boost cognitive function: NAD+ plays a role in protecting neurons and can support mental clarity and focus.
Promote longevity: It helps with DNA repair and reduces inflammation, which are key factors in the aging process.
Enhance physical recovery: It can help with muscle function and recovery after physical activity.
Potential benefits reported by users
Increased energy and alertness
Improved focus and mental clarity
Better sleep quality
Quicker recovery from stress or exercise
Enhanced skin tone over time
Reduced inflammation
Will try soon...
Thursday : Traps / Tris
Wake Up @ 197
Post Workout @ 191
Step Count: 2K
Yesterday it was 80 unseasonably warm, today raining and 60. As an older guy, I feel it in my bones. This morning definitely seemed to be dragging. They say this is the case as you age. Well seems likely to me. I still got thru my work out this morning.
Lately have been focused on my side project. It seems to be moving along. I'm almost ready to present to the client. I'm hoping this side hustle becomes my new career. We shall see.
Anyone try NAD patch. I brought these:
An NAD patch is designed to deliver NAD+ (nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide) through the skin to help support cellular energy, metabolism, and DNA repair. By providing a boost to the body's NAD+ levels, it aims to increase energy, improve mental clarity, support longevity, and enhance recovery.
How an NAD patch works
Transdermal delivery: The patch uses a method like iontophoresis, which uses a gentle electrical charge to help propel NAD+ through the skin and into the bloodstream, bypassing the digestive system.
Bypassing digestion: This delivery method is an alternative to oral supplements, which can be broken down by stomach acid, and IVs, which require needles.
What it aims to do
Support cellular energy: NAD+ is vital for mitochondrial function, which is the process of converting food into energy for the body's cells.
Improve metabolic health: It can help with glucose and lipid metabolism and may enhance insulin sensitivity.
Boost cognitive function: NAD+ plays a role in protecting neurons and can support mental clarity and focus.
Promote longevity: It helps with DNA repair and reduces inflammation, which are key factors in the aging process.
Enhance physical recovery: It can help with muscle function and recovery after physical activity.
Potential benefits reported by users
Increased energy and alertness
Improved focus and mental clarity
Better sleep quality
Quicker recovery from stress or exercise
Enhanced skin tone over time
Reduced inflammation
Will try soon...
Attachments
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
You pushed through the session even feeling that weather drop
@PrinceDaddy chest and shoulders at 197 to 191 is a clean push
NAD patches are fine to try but they hit light compared to real NAD+ injections so run them but don’t expect the same energy kick imo
@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
Well done on pushing through, I havent seen the NAD patch - looks interesting but you cant beat injectable anything imo
I run 100mg nad+ im and though it has a little spice to pin its worth itYou pushed through the session even feeling that weather drop
chest and shoulders at 197 to 191 is a clean push
NAD patches are fine to try but they hit light compared to real NAD+ injections so run them but don’t expect the same energy kick imo
@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
its always worth a bit extra NADI run 100mg nad+ im and though it has a little spice to pin its worth it
Friday : Abs /Biceps
Wake Up @ 198
Post Workout @ 192
Step Count: 17K
Recorded a forum member podcast with @stevesmi and @Mobster. I really enjoyed the opportunity. The EVO community and support has been tremendous. Thanks all.
I have not been curling much for biceps lately. Been doing more supinated pull ups. While I am in off season, I want my body strength movements to get stronger especially while I am heavier. I have a left/right shoulder imbalance at the moment. I don't pull evenly with both sides when using an overhand grip. Working to even this out.
Leg day tomorrow. Let's go!
Wake Up @ 198
Post Workout @ 192
Step Count: 17K
Recorded a forum member podcast with @stevesmi and @Mobster. I really enjoyed the opportunity. The EVO community and support has been tremendous. Thanks all.
I have not been curling much for biceps lately. Been doing more supinated pull ups. While I am in off season, I want my body strength movements to get stronger especially while I am heavier. I have a left/right shoulder imbalance at the moment. I don't pull evenly with both sides when using an overhand grip. Working to even this out.
Leg day tomorrow. Let's go!
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
Good update
the abs and biceps day hit clean especially with all that walking at 17k steps! @PrinceDaddy I cant wait to hear you on the podcast, waiting to see the info
the pull ups are the best, pull ups push ups best combo!
Saturday : Legs
Wake Up @ 196
Post Workout @ 190
Step Count: 7K
Good leg work out today. My progression is bar, 135, 225, 245, 275, 295, 315, 335, 365, 385, 405, 425, 225, 135. Once I get to 315 my rep count starts dropping under 10. At the topmost, only doing 2 reps in partial ROM and only single sets. At this point, I'm not building to anything just trying to keep some strength. More reps hopefully to come. Drug free at this point other than TRT dosing.
I saw some some social media post on a sissy squat. Tom Platz with this Chinese woman with enormous thighs.
This is the video
Some other videos on the topic
I would like to try this after squatting next week. How much should your ass come over your heels. Some look more exaggerated than others. Maybe due to femur length?
Add an inch here, add an inch there... Looks like fun?
Wake Up @ 196
Post Workout @ 190
Step Count: 7K
Good leg work out today. My progression is bar, 135, 225, 245, 275, 295, 315, 335, 365, 385, 405, 425, 225, 135. Once I get to 315 my rep count starts dropping under 10. At the topmost, only doing 2 reps in partial ROM and only single sets. At this point, I'm not building to anything just trying to keep some strength. More reps hopefully to come. Drug free at this point other than TRT dosing.
I saw some some social media post on a sissy squat. Tom Platz with this Chinese woman with enormous thighs.
This is the video
Some other videos on the topic
I would like to try this after squatting next week. How much should your ass come over your heels. Some look more exaggerated than others. Maybe due to femur length?
Add an inch here, add an inch there... Looks like fun?
Last edited:
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
Saw Tom Platz non stop sets before lol. But the lady is doing high volume I think for you high volume is key in all exercises, get that muscle full of blood and pumped, you'll see a huge difference
@PrinceDaddy first question how many squats can you do to failure sissy style, no weights?
how many push ups to failure?
how many pull ups to failure?
It was great having you on. Princeadaddy is a thinker and speaks well - you'll like it!
@PrinceDaddy nice job on the podcast! you are very humble and pleasant both on here and on the podcast as well. really personable person !
this is great news! I can't wait to listen to your podcast. I'm going to be going on the podcast as well soon hopefully and talking about my wife's death. @PrinceDaddy
bros your podcast gonna be awesome. can't wait to listen to it @PrinceDaddy pullups are good
@PrinceDaddy very nice video on there! That is some good looking training. I like those sissy squats. They look really fun.
You definitely seem to be a student of bodybuilding. You've got a lot of guys that you look at from the past. You're also pushing some big weights as well. @PrinceDaddy
@PrinceDaddy I love supinated pull-ups for biceps. I feel like i get more of it for biceps than curls sometimes.
Sunday : Abs / Chest/ Shoulders
Wake Up @ 195
Post Workout @ 191
Step Count: 3K
Another session in the books. I actually did try some no weight hack sissy squats. Actually talked to a guy doing legs about trying to see if we could get it. Felt very awkward to me. My hack kind of feels heavy for an unstable movement or at least unlearned motion.
Here's another thought, Should you split shoulders and chest workouts. Make them two different days. I have been doing both empasizing the delts. This is the time of year I like to try new things and see how I want to set up in January.
Thanks all. Appreciate all of you!
Wake Up @ 195
Post Workout @ 191
Step Count: 3K
Another session in the books. I actually did try some no weight hack sissy squats. Actually talked to a guy doing legs about trying to see if we could get it. Felt very awkward to me. My hack kind of feels heavy for an unstable movement or at least unlearned motion.
Here's another thought, Should you split shoulders and chest workouts. Make them two different days. I have been doing both empasizing the delts. This is the time of year I like to try new things and see how I want to set up in January.
Thanks all. Appreciate all of you!
Saw Tom Platz non stop sets before lol. But the lady is doing high volume I think for you high volume is key in all exercises, get that muscle full of blood and pumped, you'll see a huge difference
first question how many squats can you do to failure sissy style, no weights?
how many push ups to failure?
how many pull ups to failure?
@LevButlerov
This time of year I don't intentionally rep to to failure. I do rep out to feel the pump or a little burn. My intention is to feel something in the intended muscle. I like pushing limits when on the sauce. I do like volume for me vs heavier weight especially as an older lifter.
Thanks.
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
Monday : Back
Wake Up @ 196
Post Workout @ 190
Step Count: 21K
Feel like my weight range has dropped which is good. However Thanksgiving is coming. Maybe I am just preparing....making room?
Wake Up @ 196
Post Workout @ 190
Step Count: 21K
Feel like my weight range has dropped which is good. However Thanksgiving is coming. Maybe I am just preparing....making room?
Your body knows what its in for
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
lol
Tuesday : Legs
Wake Up @ 197
Post Workout @ 190
Step Count: 22K
Worked my legs today. My Tuesday is shorter quicker version of the Saturday leg workout. On the machines I'm a little lighter and just pumping.
I have started working on the hack sissy squat. I think I'm finding the foot placement and movement pattern. Going to keep working on it.
At this point, just making room for Turkey time. Gym is open that morning. My traps and triceps day. Will likely do my walk as well.
Consistency beats intensity. Have both and the KING!
Wake Up @ 197
Post Workout @ 190
Step Count: 22K
Worked my legs today. My Tuesday is shorter quicker version of the Saturday leg workout. On the machines I'm a little lighter and just pumping.
I have started working on the hack sissy squat. I think I'm finding the foot placement and movement pattern. Going to keep working on it.
At this point, just making room for Turkey time. Gym is open that morning. My traps and triceps day. Will likely do my walk as well.
Consistency beats intensity. Have both and the KING!
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
Good leg day
22k steps with the lighter machine work still hits hard @PrinceDaddy I like the sissy squat pump
Wednesday Chest/Shoulders
Wake up @ 197
Post Workout @ 192
Steps : 18K
Thursday Traps/Tris
Wake up @ 198
Post Workout @ 192
Steps 16K
Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate. Had some turkey, ham and stuffing. Also had brownies and pie.
I am thankful for this thing I get to do. I hope I can keep doing this as long as I am able. Working out, prepping, and hopefully getting better.
Thanks all!
Wake up @ 197
Post Workout @ 192
Steps : 18K
Thursday Traps/Tris
Wake up @ 198
Post Workout @ 192
Steps 16K
Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate. Had some turkey, ham and stuffing. Also had brownies and pie.
I am thankful for this thing I get to do. I hope I can keep doing this as long as I am able. Working out, prepping, and hopefully getting better.
Thanks all!
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
Happy thanksgiving
@PrinceDaddy should have thrown up some brownie and pie pics for us lol@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@toddthelineman @Madmax46
You have many years left doing this, strong as hell!
Pretty common for people to separate chest and shoulders, particularly for body part splits. I know I've seen John Meadows doing chest and shoulders together though.
Great job bro you've been at this so long I don't doubt you'll be doing this for a long while!
That's a great active amount of steps you get in too bro, no wonder you look so ripped LOL.
Pigsy
Veteran Mod
Vet Moderator
UGL OZ VIP
Chairman VIP
EVO VIP
EVO V.I.P.
Aussie Legend
EVO Logger
BodyBuilder
No food pics, I'm on diet. Only kidding, more food pics the betterHappy thanksgiving
@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@toddthelineman @Madmax46
Friday Abs / Biceps
Wake up @ 196
Post Workout @ 192
Steps : 17K
Late opening for the gym. Still got it done. Felt good. Ordered some Reta and Tirz. I have a single vial of Reta 20, I will start the Reta again on Monday. AS I type this I just realized, I forgot to do my TRT injection. So, I will go get that done.
I'm planning on bloodwork for maybe Dec 12. I have a test/deca blend I may start using after the bloodwork. No blasting yet. Just 1ml TRT type of dose. See if it helps my joints.
Wake up @ 196
Post Workout @ 192
Steps : 17K
Late opening for the gym. Still got it done. Felt good. Ordered some Reta and Tirz. I have a single vial of Reta 20, I will start the Reta again on Monday. AS I type this I just realized, I forgot to do my TRT injection. So, I will go get that done.
I'm planning on bloodwork for maybe Dec 12. I have a test/deca blend I may start using after the bloodwork. No blasting yet. Just 1ml TRT type of dose. See if it helps my joints.
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
I have one vial of reta 20mg. Plan on doing 2mg weekly on Mondays. My competition cycle will start in Feb.
Saturday Legs
Wake up @ 195
Post Workout @ 190
Steps : 8K
Banded Squats today. Getting up to 405 and 425, but these are 1 or 2 reps and partial range. Also working on the hack sissy.
Bloodwork scheduled for Dec 12th. Weekly TRT dose of 200mg and some Reta since August 30. Diet has been mixed. Getting better each day.
So, my typical Sun/Wed routine has been chest/shoulders. I think I am going to focus on just shoulders tomorrow and Wed focus on chest.
I am a bit of a stubborn goat when it comes to changing things I like, but can't progress if we don't try new things.
Wake up @ 195
Post Workout @ 190
Steps : 8K
Banded Squats today. Getting up to 405 and 425, but these are 1 or 2 reps and partial range. Also working on the hack sissy.
Bloodwork scheduled for Dec 12th. Weekly TRT dose of 200mg and some Reta since August 30. Diet has been mixed. Getting better each day.
So, my typical Sun/Wed routine has been chest/shoulders. I think I am going to focus on just shoulders tomorrow and Wed focus on chest.
I am a bit of a stubborn goat when it comes to changing things I like, but can't progress if we don't try new things.
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
Split to 1mgs monday 1mg thursday you'll get better results @PrinceDaddy
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
Good day logged
17k steps and the weight drop from 196 to 192 looks clean.
Reta and tirzepatide restart Monday is fine lets see how you feel.
@PrinceDaddy yeah reta is a great option. i think its the #1 drug out there. people should look at it close
Only if what you're doing isn't working
nice leg day for sure. you sure lose a lot of weight during your workouts. that is an awesome thing! @PrinceDaddy
bros you always got simple and straight updates. @PrinceDaddy that what we love about you. keep the grind going!
@PrinceDaddy you'll certainly get good results on it. reta is a godsend. One of the best drugs ever invented in my opinion.
trt injection is important. def get that done and don't forget it. you don't want to crash! @PrinceDaddy
Sunday Abs/ Shoulders
Wake up @ 196
Post Workout @ 192
Steps : 4K
As I wrote my Friday post, I forgot to do my TRT injection. I ended up doing it Saturday AM before heading off to the gym. This seems to be an offseason predicament amongst competitors.
I have decided to split off my shoulder and chest workouts. I will do shoulder on Sundays and Chest on Wednesdays. I have an imbalance between my left and right side. I'm strong enough to push thru but my left side just feels off and a little tender. I can tell I am using my right side to handle more of the load. I'm going to end up doing light weight volume just to get back to a balanced range of motion.
I have been growing my beard out since Sept. Not sure how long I will let it go. Back in 2024, I had it down to my belly. I have so much white hair now. Not even grey, just white. I guess it gets me ready for Santa season...
Wake up @ 196
Post Workout @ 192
Steps : 4K
As I wrote my Friday post, I forgot to do my TRT injection. I ended up doing it Saturday AM before heading off to the gym. This seems to be an offseason predicament amongst competitors.
I have decided to split off my shoulder and chest workouts. I will do shoulder on Sundays and Chest on Wednesdays. I have an imbalance between my left and right side. I'm strong enough to push thru but my left side just feels off and a little tender. I can tell I am using my right side to handle more of the load. I'm going to end up doing light weight volume just to get back to a balanced range of motion.
I have been growing my beard out since Sept. Not sure how long I will let it go. Back in 2024, I had it down to my belly. I have so much white hair now. Not even grey, just white. I guess it gets me ready for Santa season...
@PrinceDaddy nice work on the squats with some impressive weights big guy.
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
good to hear you're still on TRT, how do you feel on it?
@PrinceDaddy beard lets see the pic of the beard
Monday Back
Wake up @ 198
Post Workout @ 193
Steps : 19K
Getting cool in Texas, now it's in the high 30s. Will have to snap some beard pics.
Starting my Reta dose today.
Wake up @ 198
Post Workout @ 193
Steps : 19K
Getting cool in Texas, now it's in the high 30s. Will have to snap some beard pics.
Starting my Reta dose today.
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
waiting for the beard pics
Tuesday Legs
Wake up @ 198
Post Workout @ 192
Steps : 23K
Wednesday Chest
Wake up @ 198
Post Workout @ 194
Steps : 16K
Started 2mg/weekly of reta on Monday. Felt one of my symptoms this morning. Dry mouth. Nothing else, I would expect it come in next week after the 2nd dose. Good work outs, but I am not pushing hard. Just staying comfortable. Part of me want to get on the sauce and push but I am running blood work next Friday so I want to be TRT only for the past 3 months.
Still need to get a beard pic, will try to get one by Friday.
Wake up @ 198
Post Workout @ 192
Steps : 23K
Wednesday Chest
Wake up @ 198
Post Workout @ 194
Steps : 16K
Started 2mg/weekly of reta on Monday. Felt one of my symptoms this morning. Dry mouth. Nothing else, I would expect it come in next week after the 2nd dose. Good work outs, but I am not pushing hard. Just staying comfortable. Part of me want to get on the sauce and push but I am running blood work next Friday so I want to be TRT only for the past 3 months.
Still need to get a beard pic, will try to get one by Friday.
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
good to see you start retatrutide, dry mouth you feel is low blood sugar or how do you feel?
wait for bloods and we start the cycle @PrinceDaddy
@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@toddthelineman @Noah Wixx
2-3weeks brother and the reta will set right in for sure!
Nice steps, 2mg of reta is a decent starting dose, I felt that pretty much the next day, I do love reta though, found it really helpful in my cut
Low 30s in Texas? Who knew..are you way up north or something? Cuz a tiny bit of snow broke Texas a few years back I remember
Smart move. I just got bloods and it proved I'm good to go to blast off of TRT. I'd stay on your TRT til you can post bloods here and get that reassurance you're good to go.
Keep us posted on this. Gastrointestinal effects of Reta can mess with your hydration and it can decrease thirst as well as appetite, so keep water intake high.
Thursday Traps/Tris
Wake up @ 198
Post Workout @ 192
Steps : 17K
Chugging along. After the bloodwork next week, I'm thinking of using the test/deca blends I have. Just 1ml dose weekly. I think I have 200mg and 400mg blends. I'm thinking of using the 400mg blend.
For next year, I'll start the true cycle around Feb 1.
Wake up @ 198
Post Workout @ 192
Steps : 17K
Chugging along. After the bloodwork next week, I'm thinking of using the test/deca blends I have. Just 1ml dose weekly. I think I have 200mg and 400mg blends. I'm thinking of using the 400mg blend.
For next year, I'll start the true cycle around Feb 1.
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
400mgs blend of test deca you have pics of it? @PrinceDaddy
I have been meaning to ask... while some guys get gyno, I have seen other guys especially on the older side get deflated nips. Was wondering why?
The AI came back with...
The term "deflated" is a descriptive way to talk about the loss of nipple projection or firmness that often comes with age. While we frequently hear about older men developing larger breasts (gynecomastia), the opposite phenomenon—where the nipple and areola appear flatter, softer, or "deflated"—is also a common part of the aging process.
This change is usually benign and stems from a combination of skin aging, fat loss, and hormonal shifts.
1. Loss of Structural Support (Collagen & Elastin)
The most direct cause is the breakdown of the skin's structural network.
Skin Elasticity: As men age, the body produces less collagen and elastin. These proteins are responsible for keeping skin firm, thick, and "perky." Without them, the skin around the nipple becomes thinner and lax.
Gravity: Over decades, gravity pulls on the chest tissue. As the skin loses its snap, the nipple-areola complex (NAC) can sag or flatten out against the chest wall rather than projecting outward.
2. Subcutaneous Fat Atrophy
While some men gain weight in the chest area, others experience a loss of subcutaneous fat (the fat layer just under the skin).
Thinning Cushion: In youth, a pad of fat often sits behind the nipple and areola, pushing them outward. As we age, this specific fat deposit can diminish or shift, causing the nipple to look "empty" or deflated because it has lost its underlying cushion.
3. Smooth Muscle Atrophy
The nipple is actually an erectile organ containing smooth muscle fibers.
Muscle Tone: In younger men, these muscles are tight and responsive, keeping the nipple somewhat erect or projected even when not stimulated.
The Aging Muscle: Just as skeletal muscles (sarcopenia) tend to weaken with age, the smooth muscle tissue within the nipple can lose tone and responsiveness. This results in a nipple that lies flat and soft rather than standing at attention.
4. Hormonal Changes (Testosterone Drop)
Hormones play a dual role in the male chest.
Gynecomastia vs. Atrophy: A drop in testosterone typically leads to gynecomastia (swollen breast tissue) in many older men. However, in men who do not develop this glandular swelling, the low testosterone contributes to general tissue wasting. Without the anabolic (building) signal of testosterone, the muscle and connective tissue in the chest wall can atrophy, leading to a flatter appearance.
When to Be Concerned
While a gradual flattening or "deflating" of the nipples is a normal part of aging, retraction is different. You should see a doctor if:
It happens suddenly: If a nipple that was previously projecting suddenly pulls inward or flattens over a few weeks or months.
It is unilateral: If only one nipple deflates or inverts while the other remains unchanged.
There are other symptoms: Look for discharge, crusting, a hard lump behind the nipple, or skin dimpling (like an orange peel).
The Bottom Line:
If the change has been gradual and affects both sides equally, it is likely just the natural result of your skin becoming thinner and less elastic, and the underlying tissue losing some of its volume.
The joys of aging. Interesting...
The AI came back with...
The term "deflated" is a descriptive way to talk about the loss of nipple projection or firmness that often comes with age. While we frequently hear about older men developing larger breasts (gynecomastia), the opposite phenomenon—where the nipple and areola appear flatter, softer, or "deflated"—is also a common part of the aging process.
This change is usually benign and stems from a combination of skin aging, fat loss, and hormonal shifts.
1. Loss of Structural Support (Collagen & Elastin)
The most direct cause is the breakdown of the skin's structural network.
Skin Elasticity: As men age, the body produces less collagen and elastin. These proteins are responsible for keeping skin firm, thick, and "perky." Without them, the skin around the nipple becomes thinner and lax.
Gravity: Over decades, gravity pulls on the chest tissue. As the skin loses its snap, the nipple-areola complex (NAC) can sag or flatten out against the chest wall rather than projecting outward.
2. Subcutaneous Fat Atrophy
While some men gain weight in the chest area, others experience a loss of subcutaneous fat (the fat layer just under the skin).
Thinning Cushion: In youth, a pad of fat often sits behind the nipple and areola, pushing them outward. As we age, this specific fat deposit can diminish or shift, causing the nipple to look "empty" or deflated because it has lost its underlying cushion.
3. Smooth Muscle Atrophy
The nipple is actually an erectile organ containing smooth muscle fibers.
Muscle Tone: In younger men, these muscles are tight and responsive, keeping the nipple somewhat erect or projected even when not stimulated.
The Aging Muscle: Just as skeletal muscles (sarcopenia) tend to weaken with age, the smooth muscle tissue within the nipple can lose tone and responsiveness. This results in a nipple that lies flat and soft rather than standing at attention.
4. Hormonal Changes (Testosterone Drop)
Hormones play a dual role in the male chest.
Gynecomastia vs. Atrophy: A drop in testosterone typically leads to gynecomastia (swollen breast tissue) in many older men. However, in men who do not develop this glandular swelling, the low testosterone contributes to general tissue wasting. Without the anabolic (building) signal of testosterone, the muscle and connective tissue in the chest wall can atrophy, leading to a flatter appearance.
When to Be Concerned
While a gradual flattening or "deflating" of the nipples is a normal part of aging, retraction is different. You should see a doctor if:
It happens suddenly: If a nipple that was previously projecting suddenly pulls inward or flattens over a few weeks or months.
It is unilateral: If only one nipple deflates or inverts while the other remains unchanged.
There are other symptoms: Look for discharge, crusting, a hard lump behind the nipple, or skin dimpling (like an orange peel).
The Bottom Line:
If the change has been gradual and affects both sides equally, it is likely just the natural result of your skin becoming thinner and less elastic, and the underlying tissue losing some of its volume.
The joys of aging. Interesting...
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
I really dislike ai tbh
@PrinceDaddy but if you asked me I would have told you #1 reason is collagen issue, more bone broth and more bpc157 would help a lot of older guys.
awesome log brother interesting reading your insights as you go along with training and life. And on the nad+ ive found not to over do it or not take it too often i found for myself it made me more lethargic if i took it to often and too much seem to burn me out. I take it like once a week now. See what works for you bro
Here is the Test/Deca blend. Turns out I only have one blend, so this is it. Planning on doing 1ml weekly to replace to my weekly TRT. After my bloodwork draw next Friday.
Attachments
Friday Abs/Biceps
Wake up @ 198
Post Workout @ 193
Steps : 18K
I seem to be dragging a bit. Feels like to me its the temperature change. I generally like the cooler temps, but my body seems to be adjusting.
I busted open some BPC 157 & TB500 (10mg ea) vials and injected into my left delt. As mentioned, I have some soreness on the left delt. Plan on injecting once weekly on Fridays for 10 weeks. 10 units. Hoping it helps.
I'm planing to switch my TRT to the Test/Deca blend next week after blood work. 400mg total. This should carry me into Feb where my contest cycle will begin. Hoping it helps with my joints.
So, I have this vial of Tren Enthanate. It is much darker than the typical tren color which is yellow. This is more like a coca cola color. I think I should toss it. What do you think?
Wake up @ 198
Post Workout @ 193
Steps : 18K
I seem to be dragging a bit. Feels like to me its the temperature change. I generally like the cooler temps, but my body seems to be adjusting.
I busted open some BPC 157 & TB500 (10mg ea) vials and injected into my left delt. As mentioned, I have some soreness on the left delt. Plan on injecting once weekly on Fridays for 10 weeks. 10 units. Hoping it helps.
I'm planing to switch my TRT to the Test/Deca blend next week after blood work. 400mg total. This should carry me into Feb where my contest cycle will begin. Hoping it helps with my joints.
So, I have this vial of Tren Enthanate. It is much darker than the typical tren color which is yellow. This is more like a coca cola color. I think I should toss it. What do you think?
Attachments
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
test deca thats nice I like that para pharma blend, how long you had this vial? @PrinceDaddy
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
this tren enan is what brand? and when did you get it? @PrinceDaddy
Maybe 2-3 years
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
I wouldn't use it after 4 years imo
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
I wouldn't use gear past 1 year mark imo
I'm going to toss it. I think when I ordered it I had multiple vials and did use one, but it was not this dark. It was golden yellow. This one just got dark over time. Stored in cool dark conditions, but just turned a weird dark color.
I think this one is still good. I just want to use it. I'll see how I feel on it. It's been stored properly. Dark, cool room temperature.
I have 25 year old gear that works great!!! Both the wife and I using it. She just came off best ever strength bulking cycle ever.
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
tbh I would not use gear post 12 months, there is a bacteria issue as BA dissipates, it's up to you but I dont suggest it to avoid health issues later @PrinceDaddy
Saturday Legs
Wake up @ 197
Post Workout @ 190
Steps : 8K
Got the leg work out in, did not push anything extraordinary today. Just getting it done.
I have been wanting to get under 190 so I am eating better quality food.
With the reta, I think it is increasing thirst. Last year I felt the same, but thought it was due to the summer heat. It is cooler here and I feel a strong desire drink fluids. Can't seem to satiate despite going back and forth to empty out.
One day at time...
Wake up @ 197
Post Workout @ 190
Steps : 8K
Got the leg work out in, did not push anything extraordinary today. Just getting it done.
I have been wanting to get under 190 so I am eating better quality food.
With the reta, I think it is increasing thirst. Last year I felt the same, but thought it was due to the summer heat. It is cooler here and I feel a strong desire drink fluids. Can't seem to satiate despite going back and forth to empty out.
One day at time...
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
good to hear a leg workout is in
@PrinceDaddy yes you get a thirst increase with retatrutide , did you measure your blood sugar?
@PrinceDaddy the reta DOES increase thirst. the main reason is the fat loss has to get excreted somewhere and a common way is urine. so just like with fasting you will be losing fluids faster then you can get them in
It really is up to you. But I think you'll be okay after 4 years, I think 10 years even the gear can be good if stored right
Good to hear that you're eating better quality food. That's really good. @PrinceDaddy i'm not surprised on the reta, it can vary from person to person
Here, as elsewhere when it's been discussed, ALL steroids (subject to proper storage) are GTG for up to 2 years passed the date.
As per ALL meds: cool, dark and dry place.
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
2 years give or take but you're injecting something thats why I say 1 year @Mobster
@PrinceDaddy Yeah. If you're not sure about the gear, you might as well toss it. It's not like gear costs that much money, all things being equal.
bros reta increase thirsty in some people. that pretty normal. you should try and take electrolytes @PrinceDaddy
Sunday Shoulders
Wake up @ 197
Post Workout @ 193
Steps : 4K
I have split out my shoulders and chest into separate days. I have a left shoulder issue. I'm able to press 235 for 5 reps but I want to build back to 4 sets of 10x225. Much easier to do when on cycle androgens. I have been trying multiple shoulder movements. I have started doing standing barbell shoulder press. I want to get stronger in this movement. I have always done seated presses.
Today on the standing press, I went thru the following
10xbar
10x55
10x65
10x75
10x85
10x95
10x105
10x115
10x125
10x135
At this point, I want to get used to the movement pattern and get stronger at it. My delts felt a good stretch.
Wake up @ 197
Post Workout @ 193
Steps : 4K
I have split out my shoulders and chest into separate days. I have a left shoulder issue. I'm able to press 235 for 5 reps but I want to build back to 4 sets of 10x225. Much easier to do when on cycle androgens. I have been trying multiple shoulder movements. I have started doing standing barbell shoulder press. I want to get stronger in this movement. I have always done seated presses.
Today on the standing press, I went thru the following
10xbar
10x55
10x65
10x75
10x85
10x95
10x105
10x115
10x125
10x135
At this point, I want to get used to the movement pattern and get stronger at it. My delts felt a good stretch.
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
good split I like it, really strong volume but add some drop sets
@PrinceDaddy @BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@toddthelineman
@JimmyO187 @SPOONMAN366
Good call seperating the two if your goal is strength, solid
How’d the shoulders feel after all that volume bro?
Not super heavy with rest between. I feel like I am opening up. I know i just feel better on the sauce, deca. Joints just feel looser.
I'm starting my blended after bloodwork this Friday. Hopefully I can get that movement strength back.
I'm starting my blended after bloodwork this Friday. Hopefully I can get that movement strength back.
Monday Back
Wake up @ 198
Post Workout @ 192
Steps : 19K
I left my Versa gripps at home this morning. So could not go as heavy as I normally do. My back strength exceeds my grip strength. So 110s instead of 130s. I have a new set coming. My old ones are peeling, so time for them to go.
Took my second dose of Reta 2mg today. Expect to be thirsty...
Out on my walk, they were putting up a sign. Snapped a picture.
Here you go
Wake up @ 198
Post Workout @ 192
Steps : 19K
I left my Versa gripps at home this morning. So could not go as heavy as I normally do. My back strength exceeds my grip strength. So 110s instead of 130s. I have a new set coming. My old ones are peeling, so time for them to go.
Took my second dose of Reta 2mg today. Expect to be thirsty...
Out on my walk, they were putting up a sign. Snapped a picture.
Here you go
Attachments
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
good to see you walking around having fun
looks cold in TX?
Low 30s F. Not that cold. Just have to layer up.
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
thats pretty good
Mine are down by a local wetlands
You will definitely get to that goal weight brother
i didnt realize thirst was a side of reta thats interesting.
@PrinceDaddy its okay about the grips. probably works in your favorite anyway.
I'm glad to hear your shoulders are feeling better. Keep up the grind, man. But don't overdo it. Once you get older like us, you've got to be smarter when you train. @PrinceDaddy
bros what you taking pic of here? what is blue? @PrinceDaddy new restaurant?
@PrinceDaddy Nice going on this one. Prince. You're doing what you have to do. You're training smart. You're not training stupid. That's what I respect about you.
Similar threads
