Elevated ALT on first Anavar Cycle

[magnus33]

For the past 4 weeks I have been doing my first Anavar cycle along with my TRT dosage. The plan was:

• Get baseline bloods (lipids, CMP)
• Do 30mg a day (15mg twice daily) while maintaining TRT dose of Test C (100mg week). Conservative Var cycle of 6 weeks.
• Check bloods at about 4 weeks into the cycle
• Based on 4 week bloods, reassess cycle length and dosage

This is where I need some help from you veterans. Lipids were trashed, as expected, but my ALT was higher than I expected. Here are the numbers:

This is with no alcohol, and taking NAC and TUDCA every day since the beginning. I have heard that training hard can affect ALT as well, but this blood draw was almost 2 days after my last weight training day. To give you an idea of how much it jumped my baseline ALT was 30 U/L. What do you guys think - is this high enough for me to end the Anavar cycle now, or am I overreacting? At this point my 6 week cycle would end in 10 days.

 

[toddthelineman]

So NAC binds things in your liver. It’s used medically for acetaminophen overdose, among other things. I’m told it will bind your other supps and make both inert, and I believe this happened to me. I was recommended to take them hours apart, but for now, I forgo the NAC. Sticking to N2guard.

Your alt seems very high to me, mine were not that high when I took Winstrol for months, and drank occasionally. Definitely pull back the var. Do you feel like crap? It’s odd that it’s just alt. Do you have fatty liver?

 

[ReturnOfTheMeathead]

drink plenty of water. believe it or not I've seen case reports of individuals experiencing increased liver enzymes on tudca. everyone is different. stop everything now but the trt and repeat labs the next couple of weeks.

 

[LevButlerov]

drink plenty of water. believe it or not I've seen case reports of individuals experiencing increased liver enzymes on tudca. everyone is different. stop everything now but the trt and repeat labs the next couple of weeks.

@ReturnOfTheMeathead thats totally untrue, but I'm open for you to show me science to back this up. Tudca always decreases ALT AST.

 

[LevButlerov]

For the past 4 weeks I have been doing my first Anavar cycle along with my TRT dosage. The plan was:

• Get baseline bloods (lipids, CMP)
• Do 30mg a day (15mg twice daily) while maintaining TRT dose of Test C (100mg week). Conservative Var cycle of 6 weeks.
• Check bloods at about 4 weeks into the cycle
• Based on 4 week bloods, reassess cycle length and dosage

This is where I need some help from you veterans. Lipids were trashed, as expected, but my ALT was higher than I expected. Here are the numbers:

View attachment 109923
View attachment 109924

This is with no alcohol, and taking NAC and TUDCA every day since the beginning. I have heard that training hard can affect ALT as well, but this blood draw was almost 2 days after my last weight training day. To give you an idea of how much it jumped my baseline ALT was 30 U/L. What do you guys think - is this high enough for me to end the Anavar cycle now, or am I overreacting? At this point my 6 week cycle would end in 10 days.

@magnus33 welcome to the EVO family happy you are sharing this, but there are real issues here.

ALT high is not a joke and it's serious, and low Alkaline phosphatase also a real problem. It looks like you are missing a lot here, including many deficiencies in minerals vitamins and other factors that are causing this.
The problem is we don't know anything about you, literally nothing. I mean we know you're on TRT but thats about it.
If you want REAL help with real info, you need to share with us asap, how?
please start a NEW thread with your log journal TRT, share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supp use, history and more and we can probably guide you on this TRT and blasts in the future. It's easy to do 10-15min to get it up and 5min to update.

HOW-TO LOG?

• To really guide you we need more info from you.
• Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
• It will take 15-20 minutes max.
• We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My TRT cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...osterone-deca-primobolan-hgh-cycle-log.97978/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...igas-hgh-and-bpc157-recovery-cycle-log.97594/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...enbolone-cycle-log-let-the-gains-begin.98399/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-new-sponsor-ugl-contest-prep-log.96779/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roughy-steroid-cycle-and-training.97944/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com

 

[Mobster]

Lev makes some good points.

 

[stevesmi]

For the past 4 weeks I have been doing my first Anavar cycle along with my TRT dosage. The plan was:

• Get baseline bloods (lipids, CMP)
• Do 30mg a day (15mg twice daily) while maintaining TRT dose of Test C (100mg week). Conservative Var cycle of 6 weeks.
• Check bloods at about 4 weeks into the cycle
• Based on 4 week bloods, reassess cycle length and dosage

This is where I need some help from you veterans. Lipids were trashed, as expected, but my ALT was higher than I expected. Here are the numbers:

View attachment 109923
View attachment 109924

This is with no alcohol, and taking NAC and TUDCA every day since the beginning. I have heard that training hard can affect ALT as well, but this blood draw was almost 2 days after my last weight training day. To give you an idea of how much it jumped my baseline ALT was 30 U/L. What do you guys think - is this high enough for me to end the Anavar cycle now, or am I overreacting? At this point my 6 week cycle would end in 10 days.

your numbers get thrown off on steroids. that is normal. its what happens when you come off. do they normalize? they should before you use steroids again

 

[BodyMonster34]

For the past 4 weeks I have been doing my first Anavar cycle along with my TRT dosage. The plan was:

• Get baseline bloods (lipids, CMP)
• Do 30mg a day (15mg twice daily) while maintaining TRT dose of Test C (100mg week). Conservative Var cycle of 6 weeks.
• Check bloods at about 4 weeks into the cycle
• Based on 4 week bloods, reassess cycle length and dosage

This is where I need some help from you veterans. Lipids were trashed, as expected, but my ALT was higher than I expected. Here are the numbers:

View attachment 109923
View attachment 109924

This is with no alcohol, and taking NAC and TUDCA every day since the beginning. I have heard that training hard can affect ALT as well, but this blood draw was almost 2 days after my last weight training day. To give you an idea of how much it jumped my baseline ALT was 30 U/L. What do you guys think - is this high enough for me to end the Anavar cycle now, or am I overreacting? At this point my 6 week cycle would end in 10 days.

bro you should see my bloods lol. you think this bad? get on n2guard soon

 

[s.gentz]

For the past 4 weeks I have been doing my first Anavar cycle along with my TRT dosage. The plan was:

• Get baseline bloods (lipids, CMP)
• Do 30mg a day (15mg twice daily) while maintaining TRT dose of Test C (100mg week). Conservative Var cycle of 6 weeks.
• Check bloods at about 4 weeks into the cycle
• Based on 4 week bloods, reassess cycle length and dosage

This is where I need some help from you veterans. Lipids were trashed, as expected, but my ALT was higher than I expected. Here are the numbers:

View attachment 109923
View attachment 109924

This is with no alcohol, and taking NAC and TUDCA every day since the beginning. I have heard that training hard can affect ALT as well, but this blood draw was almost 2 days after my last weight training day. To give you an idea of how much it jumped my baseline ALT was 30 U/L. What do you guys think - is this high enough for me to end the Anavar cycle now, or am I overreacting? At this point my 6 week cycle would end in 10 days.

I would end it and give your body a break. Your numbers aren't scary but def elevated. 5-6x range would def be concerning. ALT should rebound as long as you have not done damage. Get bloods in another 4-5 weeks to see progress and report back.

 

[ceo]

For the past 4 weeks I have been doing my first Anavar cycle along with my TRT dosage. The plan was:

• Get baseline bloods (lipids, CMP)
• Do 30mg a day (15mg twice daily) while maintaining TRT dose of Test C (100mg week). Conservative Var cycle of 6 weeks.
• Check bloods at about 4 weeks into the cycle
• Based on 4 week bloods, reassess cycle length and dosage

This is where I need some help from you veterans. Lipids were trashed, as expected, but my ALT was higher than I expected. Here are the numbers:

View attachment 109923
View attachment 109924

This is with no alcohol, and taking NAC and TUDCA every day since the beginning. I have heard that training hard can affect ALT as well, but this blood draw was almost 2 days after my last weight training day. To give you an idea of how much it jumped my baseline ALT was 30 U/L. What do you guys think - is this high enough for me to end the Anavar cycle now, or am I overreacting? At this point my 6 week cycle would end in 10 days.

@magnus33 bros you doing everything right. don't freak out too much. just see where #'s at when you come off

 

[magnus33]

Thanks to everyone for your replies. I have been off the var now for two days and plan to get new bloods in 4 weeks. I knew Anavar was considered liver toxic, I just didn't know what was an expected amount of elevation and what was considered abnormal. When you try to research online you see things ranging from "its no more liver toxic than having a beer" to "it's more liver toxic than most people say it is" - I guess everyone reacts differently (which is why it is good to get bloods!). Lev, what you say makes sense - I will make a log as soon as I can.

​

 

[magnus33]

So NAC binds things in your liver. It’s used medically for acetaminophen overdose, among other things. I’m told it will bind your other supps and make both inert, and I believe this happened to me. I was recommended to take them hours apart, but for now, I forgo the NAC. Sticking to N2guard.

Your alt seems very high to me, mine were not that high when I took Winstrol for months, and drank occasionally. Definitely pull back the var. Do you feel like crap? It’s odd that it’s just alt. Do you have fatty liver?

I don't have fatty liver and I actually feel great!

 

[toddthelineman]

I don't have fatty liver and I actually feel great!

Well that’s good! So you don’t know why the levels are so high? My friend just got blood tests, high alt, normal ast, was diagnosed with fatty liver. Her alt was not as high as yours, but she is fairly sedentary since herniating discs in her lower back, and has become overweight. She does not feel great lol.

Good thing you checked and good on you for dialing back and getting it sorted out!

 

[magnus33]

Well that’s good! So you don’t know why the levels are so high? My friend just got blood tests, high alt, normal ast, was diagnosed with fatty liver. Her alt was not as high as yours, but she is fairly sedentary since herniating discs in her lower back, and has become overweight. She does not feel great lol.

Good thing you checked and good on you for dialing back and getting it sorted out!

My baseline ALT right before the Anavar was 30, so all the elevation happened in the last 4 weeks. My AST did move a little - baseline was 13, moved up to 30. I am wondering if the Anavar I ran wasn't legit, and was maybe Winstrol. I got it from a very popular UGL, but I have to reluctantly admit it was not Pharma grade stuff.

 

[toddthelineman]

My baseline ALT right before the Anavar was 30, so all the elevation happened in the last 4 weeks. My AST did move a little - baseline was 13, moved up to 30. I am wondering if the Anavar I ran wasn't legit, and was maybe Winstrol. I got it from a very popular UGL, but I have to reluctantly admit it was not Pharma grade stuff.

I have medicine grade anavar. It’s pretty mild stuff. Winstrol is strong to me, but I’ve only had ugl winstrol. When I take it, I can really tell I took something. Of course, you never can be sure! I had three best source for over seas medical grade gear. Cheap too. And now packages are getting seized and the source isn’t as cool about it as he was. If you’re in the US, it’s hard not to go UGL. We are lucky to have EVO. Without the approved sources I would have had to go to an online clinic. But it’s still UGL, and I don’t have blind faith that everything is what it’s supposed to be, unfortunately.

 

[toddthelineman]

I have medicine grade anavar. It’s pretty mild stuff. Winstrol is strong to me, but I’ve only had ugl winstrol. When I take it, I can really tell I took something. Of course, you never can be sure! I had three best source for over seas medical grade gear. Cheap too. And now packages are getting seized and the source isn’t as cool about it as he was. If you’re in the US, it’s hard not to go UGL. We are lucky to have EVO. Without the approved sources I would have had to go to an online clinic. But it’s still UGL, and I don’t have blind faith that everything is what it’s supposed to be, unfortunately.

I will say, I have almost certainly bought pharma gh pens that were refilled with something. And even ampoules can be made by ugls now. So using the approved sources is really your best bet because they can be held accountable here. All the sources sell similar ugl brands, but you don’t know if someone put something else in a popular brand ugl bottle. So definitely be sure to use The approved sources. It’s the only thing that really makes sense

 

[magnus33]

I have medicine grade anavar. It’s pretty mild stuff. Winstrol is strong to me, but I’ve only had ugl winstrol. When I take it, I can really tell I took something. Of course, you never can be sure! I had three best source for over seas medical grade gear. Cheap too. And now packages are getting seized and the source isn’t as cool about it as he was. If you’re in the US, it’s hard not to go UGL. We are lucky to have EVO. Without the approved sources I would have had to go to an online clinic. But it’s still UGL, and I don’t have blind faith that everything is what it’s supposed to be, unfortunately.

The effects from my cycle were pretty mild, but noticeable. I got stronger while on a calorie deficit, which is what I was hoping for. No joint dryness at all like people sometimes say they experience from Winstrol.

 

[magnus33]

I will say, I have almost certainly bought pharma gh pens that were refilled with something. And even ampoules can be made by ugls now. So using the approved sources is really your best bet because they can be held accountable here. All the sources sell similar ugl brands, but you don’t know if someone put something else in a popular brand ugl bottle. So definitely be sure to use The approved sources. It’s the only thing that really makes sense

I unfortunately did not run across this forum until after I purchased the Anavar and started the cycle. The site I used is not an approved site here, but is approved on Anabolex.

 

[2Thick]

For the past 4 weeks I have been doing my first Anavar cycle along with my TRT dosage. The plan was:

• Get baseline bloods (lipids, CMP)
• Do 30mg a day (15mg twice daily) while maintaining TRT dose of Test C (100mg week). Conservative Var cycle of 6 weeks.
• Check bloods at about 4 weeks into the cycle
• Based on 4 week bloods, reassess cycle length and dosage

This is where I need some help from you veterans. Lipids were trashed, as expected, but my ALT was higher than I expected. Here are the numbers:

View attachment 109923
View attachment 109924

This is with no alcohol, and taking NAC and TUDCA every day since the beginning. I have heard that training hard can affect ALT as well, but this blood draw was almost 2 days after my last weight training day. To give you an idea of how much it jumped my baseline ALT was 30 U/L. What do you guys think - is this high enough for me to end the Anavar cycle now, or am I overreacting? At this point my 6 week cycle would end in 10 days.

i think your numbers are off. but they are pretty standard for using steroids. it happens to all of us @magnus33

 

[Ulter]

For the past 4 weeks I have been doing my first Anavar cycle along with my TRT dosage. The plan was:

• Get baseline bloods (lipids, CMP)
• Do 30mg a day (15mg twice daily) while maintaining TRT dose of Test C (100mg week). Conservative Var cycle of 6 weeks.
• Check bloods at about 4 weeks into the cycle
• Based on 4 week bloods, reassess cycle length and dosage

This is where I need some help from you veterans. Lipids were trashed, as expected, but my ALT was higher than I expected. Here are the numbers:

View attachment 109923
View attachment 109924

This is with no alcohol, and taking NAC and TUDCA every day since the beginning. I have heard that training hard can affect ALT as well, but this blood draw was almost 2 days after my last weight training day. To give you an idea of how much it jumped my baseline ALT was 30 U/L. What do you guys think - is this high enough for me to end the Anavar cycle now, or am I overreacting? At this point my 6 week cycle would end in 10 days.

@magnus33 nice job on this one man. the bloodwork isn't great. BUT let's be honest. if more people got bloods they would see the same things on steroids it is what it is

 

[ROIDDERS]

For the past 4 weeks I have been doing my first Anavar cycle along with my TRT dosage. The plan was:

• Get baseline bloods (lipids, CMP)
• Do 30mg a day (15mg twice daily) while maintaining TRT dose of Test C (100mg week). Conservative Var cycle of 6 weeks.
• Check bloods at about 4 weeks into the cycle
• Based on 4 week bloods, reassess cycle length and dosage

This is where I need some help from you veterans. Lipids were trashed, as expected, but my ALT was higher than I expected. Here are the numbers:

View attachment 109923
View attachment 109924

This is with no alcohol, and taking NAC and TUDCA every day since the beginning. I have heard that training hard can affect ALT as well, but this blood draw was almost 2 days after my last weight training day. To give you an idea of how much it jumped my baseline ALT was 30 U/L. What do you guys think - is this high enough for me to end the Anavar cycle now, or am I overreacting? At this point my 6 week cycle would end in 10 days.

i think 95% of bodybuilders would have elevated numbers. its just part of what we do. @magnus33 don't get too nervous about it. It will only stress you out more.

 

[SPOONMAN366]

For the past 4 weeks I have been doing my first Anavar cycle along with my TRT dosage. The plan was:

• Get baseline bloods (lipids, CMP)
• Do 30mg a day (15mg twice daily) while maintaining TRT dose of Test C (100mg week). Conservative Var cycle of 6 weeks.
• Check bloods at about 4 weeks into the cycle
• Based on 4 week bloods, reassess cycle length and dosage

This is where I need some help from you veterans. Lipids were trashed, as expected, but my ALT was higher than I expected. Here are the numbers:

View attachment 109923
View attachment 109924

This is with no alcohol, and taking NAC and TUDCA every day since the beginning. I have heard that training hard can affect ALT as well, but this blood draw was almost 2 days after my last weight training day. To give you an idea of how much it jumped my baseline ALT was 30 U/L. What do you guys think - is this high enough for me to end the Anavar cycle now, or am I overreacting? At this point my 6 week cycle

 

[SPOONMAN366]

I'm unsure how accurate this is,but I heard low card diets can raise levels to an extent,as the liver is working harder to process the protein, from personal experience as im carnivore diet my levels naturally sit high on the higher end of normal,I try my best to negate this with supplements

 

[toddthelineman]

I'm unsure how accurate this is,but I heard low card diets can raise levels to an extent,as the liver is working harder to process the protein, from personal experience as im carnivore diet my levels naturally sit high on the higher end of normal,I try my best to negate this with supplements

Interesting. I never heard that. I was carnivore for four years, and on and off carnivore but always eating pounds of meat for four years after that. But I do have elevated liver enzymes that I haven’t been able to get right, even with supplements. I see others on here eating >400 g of protein per day, AND taking orals, that don’t have elevated liver enzymes. I wouldn’t know if gluconeogenesis causes elevated enzymes, but if you eat enough carbs you wouldn’t have that anyway. Very interested in any more information on this.

 

[toddthelineman]

I'm unsure how accurate this is,but I heard low card diets can raise levels to an extent,as the liver is working harder to process the protein, from personal experience as im carnivore diet my levels naturally sit high on the higher end of normal,I try my best to negate this with supplements

I just looked at your labs. Our liver enzymes are similar, mine have looked like that for years, regardless if I take orals, don’t take orals, take supplements, don’t take supplements. The only thing that ever got them down out of the red was injectable glutathione and this last time I got bloods I tried that for a month and it barely budged

 

[SPOONMAN366]

I just looked at your labs. Our liver enzymes are similar, mine have looked like that for years, regardless if I take orals, don’t take orals, take supplements, don’t take supplements. The only thing that ever got them down out of the red was injectable glutathione and this last time I got bloods I tried that for a month and it barely budged

Yeah okay,injectable glutathione that's interesting i have never looked into that,well I guess all you can do is be careful with orals and not go to heavy too long,but we are all guilty of doing as we please in this game,its the choices we make,best of luck

 

[LevButlerov]

I'm unsure how accurate this is,but I heard low card diets can raise levels to an extent,as the liver is working harder to process the protein, from personal experience as im carnivore diet my levels naturally sit high on the higher end of normal,I try my best to negate this with supplements

Your liver enzymes are high not because of low carbs but because of the high fat content of the meat naturally. @SPOONMAN366
Low carb diets lower ALT AST in general but depends on the base foods.

 

[Noah Wixx]

@ReturnOfTheMeathead thats totally untrue, but I'm open for you to show me science to back this up. Tudca always decreases ALT AST.

Curious on this as well.

 

[ballin2504]

Let’s get us a log up and going