how about this, you can do what you wish and order from who you want, and that will be your call
@bigbadvuke
and fyi NOT all raw materials are the same, there is contaminated trash and there is high quality raws.
I'm aware. I've been around the block in Canada before everything came from China. But truely economically at this point producing precursors and refining them into raws then mixing. Unprofitable when you have massive state sponsored communist superlabs pumping this shit into canada right beside fent and all the other shit they dump into North America. Some of it is lab quality raws, some get pure precursors from china and refine themselves. Point is its all from China.
Also I remembered when I mentioned oxygen you said it was a bad move.....how did all these other approved vendors get approved? Before say Syn, Pur, Nordic got approved by labs and people doing logs was purchasing these guys when they weren't approved a bad move? If getting unapproved sources and testing them on janoshik doing logs gets shit approved why would getting an unapproved lab to test be a bad move, I've got alot of buzz around that product in my town and even a Canadian guy on here. It's a bad move if the test is shit. But isn't the aim of the game to get more approved trusted vendors by way of testing and doing workout logs? Surely even Syn, Pur, Elite had to be unapproved at one point until proven decent by enough people to get approved. It either that way or approval was purchased. It's one way or the other. I look to find more products that are good and the only way to do so is to lab test them and run them. Maybe others will be inspired by results and purities....this is how Syn, Pur & Nordic made approval I would hope. I understand buying random vials is a risk to test but those same risks let to the approved sources on here. Should be encouraged. Surely people want more then like 3 suppliers that are accountable testing products is the best way to grow that list.....oxygen is around more then Syn now in the gyms in BC. Usually the gangsters sell garbage but use good shit. Alot of them have been pumping Oxygen I heard it when Syn was top notch like a year ago but didn't care to get into it. Now with the issues going on plus a Canadian bro suggesting all then approved shit plus some unapproved stuff that looks promising Oxygen was one so for me that's worth risking a test on. But just one test doesn't prove consistency, alot labs dose based on profit margins very similar to other markets of UG products made in labs.
As far as I can see testing an unapproved brand on my own dollar is good for the community. They will see if it's shit or if it's OK or if it's top notch, I could have got a good vial, it's on them to order and test themselves. Typically I don't trust a brand until I've tested it multiple times randomly. And even after that if I get sides or feel weird, I'll send a vial out. And with canadapeds and the Syn issue I stopped testing after a year that was my biggest mistake.
Anyways. Any brands that appear professional and have some buzz should be encouraged to be tested via janoshik or reputable lab testing facilities. Me ordering Oxygen could be a bad move I could test to be shit, but it also could be top notch or somewhere in the middle.....more testing of unapproved brands will lead to more trusted brands and varieties, I'd encourage random testing even of approved sources. Market shortages and money make people do shitty things. Better to be safe then sorry. I'm getting older now and I can't be fucking around with shit I don't know with 100% certainty that it's clean and pure and dosed right. Do I'll be spending to test with janoshik for posting. All other shit I got a guy that can sometimes test shit at my local university for me.
I will order what I want and others should and test whether approved or unapproved and test it and post. Isn't this the point? To find good sources? If testing unapproved sources is a bad move to post.....there has to be a bit of bias or conflict of interest.
I am aware of raws, and the variation of quality. I could probably get them and start a lab myself if I wished to invest in it but no, not a business I am interested in. To much work and competition hidden behind screens and btc. Some of the best labs have been snuffed out by bigger or smaller con jobs, which is why testing all new gear that is being talked about in respective areas should be tested by the community. Only benefits arise from it. Although I do wish it were possible to produce a lab from literal base materials made into precursors then into raws all here in Canada and it be able to be profitable. But China has a stranglehold, the raws are cheap as fuck and alot of the time of excellent quality, so those raws are shipped and then processed and packaged domestically and more money is made and a better product is produced. But those Chinese communists get the lions share......
That's my opinion, I've known chemists who have tried doing these things, there is no competition against a country that basically sponsors the production of raws and other drug precursors produced by people who are literally paid shit all and it's all to sell to our huge market.....all precursors come from China to Mexico, processed into a variety of things then shipped. Mexico has a secure border so now alot of those precursors and raws are coming here, because Canadian border is a fucking joke. China laughs at us.
I gather info from people on here, trusted sources, non trusted but talked about by people I trust.....that's why I posted a small order for oxygen. And my Pur gear is on the way and everything was sorted out. They are going to do well based on what ive seen and the correspondence I had with them. They are busy growing a brand and filling a big market vacuum and are clearly very popular, the hype had me thinking it be like order shipped a day after payment, but they are working hard as fuck toward something bigger from what I've seen and are handling it like champs. If I had known what they were attempting I would've had more patience. But I said my apologies and took my share of the blame and confusion, and they were understanding and took mercy on me. Keep in mind I'm coming off bad gear, anxious got ripped off bad.....and I applaud their patience, nonetheless I dropped the ball on them and there was no excuse and I made it right.
But I will purchase, test and log what I choose? Isn't that the point of all this?
Shit if getting oxygen to test based of local guys I trust and a bro from my area on EVO is a no no, maybe this ain't the forum for me....
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sorry to see this.
I'm not a pro pharmatech for sure 
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