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Contemplating that atm
Every time I’ve dropped it I feel like death has come for me early
Every time I’ve dropped it I feel like death has come for me early
Yeah I’ve been on 150mg for about 6 ish weeks now
Feeling perfect but things at home are ehh. Dramas with work and living away from family etc
These ripples happen I guess, it’s just annoying
Veins are roadmapping hard brother 
Load up on herbals and clomid.Contemplating that atm
Every time I’ve dropped it I feel like death has come for me early
Stressing just the same
This is true. Always some level of stress
bros we miss you when you don't post. we worry about you @CypherOCE the PED's are looking good if you ask me. the test 150 need to go though i agree if you want best chanceSorry been pretty slack with updates as I’ve been away a lot
Protocol still kicking along in the background jist trying not to worry about results or the lack thereof as it stresses me out
Training has been going really well.
6 weeks after the big slin down I’m back up to 90kg from 77kg. I’m eating like a machine I’ve gained a little fat but it’s not much to write home about (pics below)
Happy with where I’m currently sitting so much so I might push it to 95 and then maybe 100 depending on how it’s looking.
PEDs:
150 test supplied by the big man himself @ODINLABS
HCG and HMG supplied by @Wolfenstein
500mcg daily and 75IU Tuesday & Thurs.
HGH: 3.6IU daily
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stress can kill a lot of things in the body. its important to be positive and let the stress go daily. you and your wife should both do some yoga and meditation @CypherOCEThis is true. Always some level of stress
It's NOTHING to worry about at allSorry been pretty slack with updates as I’ve been away a lot
Protocol still kicking along in the background jist trying not to worry about results or the lack thereof as it stresses me out
Training has been going really well.
6 weeks after the big slin down I’m back up to 90kg from 77kg. I’m eating like a machine I’ve gained a little fat but it’s not much to write home about (pics below)
Happy with where I’m currently sitting so much so I might push it to 95 and then maybe 100 depending on how it’s looking.
PEDs:
150 test supplied by the big man himself @ODINLABS
HCG and HMG supplied by @Wolfenstein
500mcg daily and 75IU Tuesday & Thurs.
HGH: 3.6IU daily
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@CypherOCE going to be super hard to have a baby while on TRT. It's certainly possible. I have a lot of friends who did it but it's just making things much harder.
If you're stressing this much over having a baby then is it really worth it? @CypherOCE I've seen marriages destroy over stuff like this. At the end of the day you should enjoy each other and be grateful for each other without a baby. Also, you should discuss adoption. There's many kids out there who need families.This is true. Always some level of stress
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150 is the right dose
lets keep going.
Strongly considering dropping it altogether at least for 3-4 months tk see if I can improve sperm count but feeling like death is putting me off
Will definitely try this out
I just have a stressful job so time outside of work is precious and I’m either cooking food or at the gym/sleeping. Most of my days is dedicated to work which in itself can be depressing but it’s a means to an end for now. Yeah I get what you’re saying, I guess in my head I thought it would be easy and straight forward. Do X to Y and Z but it hasn’t worked out like that
I don’t know if I picked up damage when I had my motorbike accident a few years or not. I believe I did.. but would need an ultrasound on the testes to confirm that possible scenario.
If things don’t improve by Christmas than I’ll go down that avenue. It’s not like I don’t have swimmers though. Just don’t have an adequate amount of them
As for having no kids, while it may disappoint me I guess it’s not the end of the world. I don’t think I’d adopt though. If I can’t have my own then it is what it is. Probably wasn’t meant to be a parent in the first place
have you seen that movie Problem Child ?Strongly considering dropping it altogether at least for 3-4 months tk see if I can improve sperm count but feeling like death is putting me off
Will definitely try this out
Yeah I get what you’re saying, I guess in my head I thought it would be easy and straight forward. Do X to Y and Z but it hasn’t worked out like that
I don’t know if I picked up damage when I had my motorbike accident a few years or not. I believe I did.. but would need an ultrasound on the testes to confirm that possible scenario.
If things don’t improve by Christmas than I’ll go down that avenue. It’s not like I don’t have swimmers though. Just don’t have an adequate amount of them
As for having no kids, while it may disappoint me I guess it’s not the end of the world. I don’t think I’d adopt though. If I can’t have my own then it is what it is. Probably wasn’t meant to be a parent in the first place
@CypherOCE looking lean bro!Sorry been pretty slack with updates as I’ve been away a lot
Protocol still kicking along in the background jist trying not to worry about results or the lack thereof as it stresses me out
Training has been going really well.
6 weeks after the big slin down I’m back up to 90kg from 77kg. I’m eating like a machine I’ve gained a little fat but it’s not much to write home about (pics below)
Happy with where I’m currently sitting so much so I might push it to 95 and then maybe 100 depending on how it’s looking.
PEDs:
150 test supplied by the big man himself @ODINLABS
HCG and HMG supplied by @Wolfenstein
500mcg daily and 75IU Tuesday & Thurs.
HGH: 3.6IU daily
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No??
any good?
its about an adoptionNo??
Ahhh interesting!
U look great brotherSorry been pretty slack with updates as I’ve been away a lot
Protocol still kicking along in the background jist trying not to worry about results or the lack thereof as it stresses me out
Training has been going really well.
6 weeks after the big slin down I’m back up to 90kg from 77kg. I’m eating like a machine I’ve gained a little fat but it’s not much to write home about (pics below)
Happy with where I’m currently sitting so much so I might push it to 95 and then maybe 100 depending on how it’s looking.
PEDs:
150 test supplied by the big man himself @ODINLABS
HCG and HMG supplied by @Wolfenstein
500mcg daily and 75IU Tuesday & Thurs.
HGH: 3.6IU daily
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Getting lean BruSorry been pretty slack with updates as I’ve been away a lot
Protocol still kicking along in the background jist trying not to worry about results or the lack thereof as it stresses me out
Training has been going really well.
6 weeks after the big slin down I’m back up to 90kg from 77kg. I’m eating like a machine I’ve gained a little fat but it’s not much to write home about (pics below)
Happy with where I’m currently sitting so much so I might push it to 95 and then maybe 100 depending on how it’s looking.
PEDs:
150 test supplied by the big man himself @ODINLABS
HCG and HMG supplied by @Wolfenstein
500mcg daily and 75IU Tuesday & Thurs.
HGH: 3.6IU daily
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@cyperoce looking like you’ve leaned up and put on some really good muscle mass. The vascularity is on point also keep killing it.Sorry been pretty slack with updates as I’ve been away a lot
Protocol still kicking along in the background jist trying not to worry about results or the lack thereof as it stresses me out
Training has been going really well.
6 weeks after the big slin down I’m back up to 90kg from 77kg. I’m eating like a machine I’ve gained a little fat but it’s not much to write home about (pics below)
Happy with where I’m currently sitting so much so I might push it to 95 and then maybe 100 depending on how it’s looking.
PEDs:
150 test supplied by the big man himself @ODINLABS
HCG and HMG supplied by @Wolfenstein
500mcg daily and 75IU Tuesday & Thurs.
HGH: 3.6IU daily
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Still kicking along with the fertility protocol
Things currently stand:
150mg test weekly (may drop this to 100mg pending bloodwork parameters)
500mcg HCG daily
Gonal F (Both FSH and LH) 150 units M W F
GH - 3.6IU nightly
Diet has been consistently excellent
really trying hard to get the small things in the right spot.
Training has also been a massive improvement - definitely gaining muscle whilst I recomped.
I’m looking at slowly slimming down to 80-82kg as I’ve started snoring when reaching 87+ not sure why this happened but I don’t seem to snore when I’m lighter
Anything to keep the wife happy I guess
Things currently stand:
150mg test weekly (may drop this to 100mg pending bloodwork parameters)
500mcg HCG daily
Gonal F (Both FSH and LH) 150 units M W F
GH - 3.6IU nightly
Diet has been consistently excellent
really trying hard to get the small things in the right spot. Training has also been a massive improvement - definitely gaining muscle whilst I recomped.
I’m looking at slowly slimming down to 80-82kg as I’ve started snoring when reaching 87+ not sure why this happened but I don’t seem to snore when I’m lighter
Anything to keep the wife happy I guess
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150mgs test finally you doing some test, you must be feeling much better than PCT sufferingStill kicking along with the fertility protocol
Things currently stand:
150mg test weekly (may drop this to 100mg pending bloodwork parameters)
500mcg HCG daily
Gonal F (Both FSH and LH) 150 units M W F
GH - 3.6IU nightly
Diet has been consistently excellent
Training has also been a massive improvement - definitely gaining muscle whilst I recomped.
I’m looking at slowly slimming down to 80-82kg as I’ve started snoring when reaching 87+ not sure why this happened but I don’t seem to snore when I’m lighter
Anything to keep the wife happy I guess
@CypherOCE how about some food updates? training?
Very basic food150mgs test finally you doing some test, you must be feeling much better than PCT suffering
how about some food updates? training?
3330g of mince meat and potatoes twice a day
6 weetbix with honey for breakfast
Dinner 250g of chicken/meat
1 cup of veggies and some carbs
2 x protein shake
That’s basically the outline of my day
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Staying stable thoughVery basic food
3330g of mince meat and potatoes twice a day
6 weetbix with honey for breakfast
Dinner 250g of chicken/meat
1 cup of veggies and some carbs
2 x protein shake
That’s basically the outline of my day
I went down this rabbithole a few years ago. HCG has had periods where it is quite hard to come by, although luckily not recently.
I had the most trouble trying to find a FSH source at the time, it is very highly in demand from women who are having trouble conceiving as a trigger shot for ovulation if I recall correctly.
From memory I had the thought that menotropin would be the best option to retain full fertility on cycle, but could not get my hands on it anywhere. The best sources at the time seemed to be indian chemists but the one order I attempted did not make it.
One of the other factors was the long time for spermatogenisis which can take up to 4 months for the full process to be complete and there was little in the way of literatature at the time about dosing with either menotropin or a combination of LH and FSH.
Either way I am interested to see how you go. As life goes on I am becoming more and more inclined to jump and stay on a TRT dose but still have the thoughts in the back of the mind for one more child.....
I had the most trouble trying to find a FSH source at the time, it is very highly in demand from women who are having trouble conceiving as a trigger shot for ovulation if I recall correctly.
From memory I had the thought that menotropin would be the best option to retain full fertility on cycle, but could not get my hands on it anywhere. The best sources at the time seemed to be indian chemists but the one order I attempted did not make it.
One of the other factors was the long time for spermatogenisis which can take up to 4 months for the full process to be complete and there was little in the way of literatature at the time about dosing with either menotropin or a combination of LH and FSH.
Either way I am interested to see how you go. As life goes on I am becoming more and more inclined to jump and stay on a TRT dose but still have the thoughts in the back of the mind for one more child.....
HCG wise lately I’ve been getting a solid hookup from @Wolfenstein so no issues on that Avenue!
Indian chemists haha they seem tk be very hit and miss! But I did source some of the A grade Gonal F which is both FSHr and LHr - bloody expensive but I think it should be worthwhile. So I’m going to blast that and the HCG for a few months and see how it goes
At this point we are just happy to have one but should we be blessed with twins I wouldn’t complain
my brother in law is due for twins early next year haha
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you sure about the twins?
you sure about the twins?
As long as it's the woman taking it!
From memory it raises the chance of natural twins from around 2-3% up to around 10%
Can also confirm that in a previous life, did just this with the ex, and she did indeed have twins (which was an extremely bad decision in hindsight now that she is long gone out of the picture).
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Your ex was taking clomid? and you got twins? or you were taking clomid? @shoe
Clomid lol not cookies
Following this thread brother. Hope all goes well for you.
I'm currently cruising on about 150mg a week too. Have been on for the last 3 years or so with a few blasts in between. Nothing crazy but definitely tested the waters.
Will be looking at trying to conceive towards the end of next year so really looking at coming off everything towards the middle of next year.
Nervous as hell is an understatement but it's great to see someone else giving it a crack with a proper protocol.
Please keep me up to date with how you go brother and all the best.
I'm currently cruising on about 150mg a week too. Have been on for the last 3 years or so with a few blasts in between. Nothing crazy but definitely tested the waters.
Will be looking at trying to conceive towards the end of next year so really looking at coming off everything towards the middle of next year.
Nervous as hell is an understatement but it's great to see someone else giving it a crack with a proper protocol.
Please keep me up to date with how you go brother and all the best.
Will definitely keep you updated
Coming off is one way to do it for sure but if your levels crash completely which if suspected they would you’ll have a hell of a time mentally like I did
New updates:
Blood work is in from 150 test
Great result probably a little on the high side so I was thinking I’d drop it down to 100mg weekly.
Food wise: still tracking really well. Gaining the weight back has been super easy and I’m still very lean I think that’s been the best part about it.
Currently maintaining 91-92kg @ 6’1.
And hitting 400+ protein daily with 250-300 carbs and 80 fat.
Really just enjoying the process again, the grind is addictive and has been giving me that mental relief after a long day at work as I’ve swapped from early morning gym to later at night.
Pumps have been ELITE after a full day of food. (See below)
On the baby front.. high e2 has tanked any drive for sexy time so I will have to get that in check but otherwise have sourced more of the recombinant FSH via a private script.
I have 3 or 4 repeats so I’ll give that a red hot crack and hopefully in the new year and something tk write home about
Blood work is in from 150 test
Great result probably a little on the high side so I was thinking I’d drop it down to 100mg weekly.
Food wise: still tracking really well. Gaining the weight back has been super easy and I’m still very lean
I think that’s been the best part about it.Currently maintaining 91-92kg @ 6’1.
And hitting 400+ protein daily with 250-300 carbs and 80 fat.
Really just enjoying the process again, the grind is addictive and has been giving me that mental relief after a long day at work as I’ve swapped from early morning gym to later at night.
Pumps have been ELITE after a full day of food. (See below)
On the baby front.. high e2 has tanked any drive for sexy time
so I will have to get that in check but otherwise have sourced more of the recombinant FSH via a private script. I have 3 or 4 repeats so I’ll give that a red hot crack and hopefully in the new year and something tk write home about
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Test levels are high on that bloodwork, and you look strong and lean in the new pic.New updates:
Blood work is in from 150 test
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Great result probably a little on the high side so I was thinking I’d drop it down to 100mg weekly.
Food wise: still tracking really well. Gaining the weight back has been super easy and I’m still very lean
Currently maintaining 91-92kg @ 6’1.
And hitting 400+ protein daily with 250-300 carbs and 80 fat.
Really just enjoying the process again, the grind is addictive and has been giving me that mental relief after a long day at work as I’ve swapped from early morning gym to later at night.
Pumps have been ELITE after a full day of food. (See below)
On the baby front.. high e2 has tanked any drive for sexy time
I have 3 or 4 repeats so I’ll give that a red hot crack and hopefully in the new year and something tk write home about
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@CypherOCE Dropping to 100mg weekly makes sense till e2 steadies, but am I blind? I didnt see e2 on that test.
those 400g protein days put you in PROTEING KING territory, you got foods to share?
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Nice bro!! How you managing that? Are you planning to hit that regularly?
And your new pic looks great man!!!
@CypherOCE Definitely strong results on the blood work. If you want to cruise or TRT then 150 is going to be too high. You definitely want to drop the dose down. I think 120 is a good number.New updates:
Blood work is in from 150 test
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Great result probably a little on the high side so I was thinking I’d drop it down to 100mg weekly.
Food wise: still tracking really well. Gaining the weight back has been super easy and I’m still very lean
Currently maintaining 91-92kg @ 6’1.
And hitting 400+ protein daily with 250-300 carbs and 80 fat.
Really just enjoying the process again, the grind is addictive and has been giving me that mental relief after a long day at work as I’ve swapped from early morning gym to later at night.
Pumps have been ELITE after a full day of food. (See below)
On the baby front.. high e2 has tanked any drive for sexy time
I have 3 or 4 repeats so I’ll give that a red hot crack and hopefully in the new year and something tk write home about
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Apologies! Thought I attached it, see below.Test levels are high on that bloodwork, and you look strong and lean in the new pic.
Dropping to 100mg weekly makes sense till e2 steadies, but am I blind? I didnt see e2 on that test.
those 400g protein days put you in PROTEING KING territory, you got foods to share?
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Mince mostly, a little of chicken thigh, 2 x 25g protein shakes plus 300g steak for dinner
Thanks bro! Loving the low dose test from @ODINLABS it seems I’ve soaked it up compared to when I had a higher bf percentage
Idk why but I’ll take it
Definitely drop it down!
120 you say? I’ll try that first before going to 100 if it’s still high
Damn looking great mate, great trt dose too. How's the swimmers?New updates:
Blood work is in from 150 test
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Great result probably a little on the high side so I was thinking I’d drop it down to 100mg weekly.
Food wise: still tracking really well. Gaining the weight back has been super easy and I’m still very lean
Currently maintaining 91-92kg @ 6’1.
And hitting 400+ protein daily with 250-300 carbs and 80 fat.
Really just enjoying the process again, the grind is addictive and has been giving me that mental relief after a long day at work as I’ve swapped from early morning gym to later at night.
Pumps have been ELITE after a full day of food. (See below)
On the baby front.. high e2 has tanked any drive for sexy time
I have 3 or 4 repeats so I’ll give that a red hot crack and hopefully in the new year and something tk write home about
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Bruuhhh hows the melways maps on the deltsNew updates:
Blood work is in from 150 test
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Great result probably a little on the high side so I was thinking I’d drop it down to 100mg weekly.
Food wise: still tracking really well. Gaining the weight back has been super easy and I’m still very lean
Currently maintaining 91-92kg @ 6’1.
And hitting 400+ protein daily with 250-300 carbs and 80 fat.
Really just enjoying the process again, the grind is addictive and has been giving me that mental relief after a long day at work as I’ve swapped from early morning gym to later at night.
Pumps have been ELITE after a full day of food. (See below)
On the baby front.. high e2 has tanked any drive for sexy time
I have 3 or 4 repeats so I’ll give that a red hot crack and hopefully in the new year and something tk write home about
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I haven’t done a proper test for a while
Was told it takes roughly 2.5 months for new swimmers to come online so around January I’ll get a proper test again
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169 a bit high but nothing to worry about too much imo i wouldn't go too far on ais or anything else now @CypherOCE
Yeah I wasn’t planning on using any - just manipulate the test dose and adjust like that should be more than sufficient
110%!
The veins are popping nicely all over your body. Those shoulders look fantastic and the arms are really looking swollen. I love the progression you're making. @CypherOCENew updates:
Blood work is in from 150 test
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Great result probably a little on the high side so I was thinking I’d drop it down to 100mg weekly.
Food wise: still tracking really well. Gaining the weight back has been super easy and I’m still very lean
Currently maintaining 91-92kg @ 6’1.
And hitting 400+ protein daily with 250-300 carbs and 80 fat.
Really just enjoying the process again, the grind is addictive and has been giving me that mental relief after a long day at work as I’ve swapped from early morning gym to later at night.
Pumps have been ELITE after a full day of food. (See below)
On the baby front.. high e2 has tanked any drive for sexy time
I have 3 or 4 repeats so I’ll give that a red hot crack and hopefully in the new year and something tk write home about
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Nice potato head workout right here. @CypherOCE Or rather a pumpkin head. I wonder if they're the same family between pumpkins and potatoes.New updates:
Blood work is in from 150 test
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Great result probably a little on the high side so I was thinking I’d drop it down to 100mg weekly.
Food wise: still tracking really well. Gaining the weight back has been super easy and I’m still very lean
Currently maintaining 91-92kg @ 6’1.
And hitting 400+ protein daily with 250-300 carbs and 80 fat.
Really just enjoying the process again, the grind is addictive and has been giving me that mental relief after a long day at work as I’ve swapped from early morning gym to later at night.
Pumps have been ELITE after a full day of food. (See below)
On the baby front.. high e2 has tanked any drive for sexy time
I have 3 or 4 repeats so I’ll give that a red hot crack and hopefully in the new year and something tk write home about
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@CypherOCE The weights look really solid, man. Looks like you have a nice gym. I like the rubber weights and I like the iron weights. Those dumbbells are really good looking. Makes me want to kill it.New updates:
Blood work is in from 150 test
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Great result probably a little on the high side so I was thinking I’d drop it down to 100mg weekly.
Food wise: still tracking really well. Gaining the weight back has been super easy and I’m still very lean
Currently maintaining 91-92kg @ 6’1.
And hitting 400+ protein daily with 250-300 carbs and 80 fat.
Really just enjoying the process again, the grind is addictive and has been giving me that mental relief after a long day at work as I’ve swapped from early morning gym to later at night.
Pumps have been ELITE after a full day of food. (See below)
On the baby front.. high e2 has tanked any drive for sexy time
I have 3 or 4 repeats so I’ll give that a red hot crack and hopefully in the new year and something tk write home about
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Bro. Is you looking good on this for sure. Veins popping out of the upper body and your muscles looking really thick I like it. @CypherOCENew updates:
Blood work is in from 150 test
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Great result probably a little on the high side so I was thinking I’d drop it down to 100mg weekly.
Food wise: still tracking really well. Gaining the weight back has been super easy and I’m still very lean
Currently maintaining 91-92kg @ 6’1.
And hitting 400+ protein daily with 250-300 carbs and 80 fat.
Really just enjoying the process again, the grind is addictive and has been giving me that mental relief after a long day at work as I’ve swapped from early morning gym to later at night.
Pumps have been ELITE after a full day of food. (See below)
On the baby front.. high e2 has tanked any drive for sexy time
I have 3 or 4 repeats so I’ll give that a red hot crack and hopefully in the new year and something tk write home about
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You don't need an AI just yet but I'd lower the test dose just a bit, like by 30-50mg down to 100-120mg and just that should get your e2 in range and keep your free test high.
Looking good bro got some vascularity I see!
I just saw @stevesmi give you the same advice so now I feel reassured. Yes drop it to 120mg if you don't wanna do 100mg but do drop it.Definitely drop it down!
120 you say? I’ll try that first before going to 100 if it’s still high
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Thats much better
thanks bro! Appreciate the comments 
been working really hard lately and trying to be as consistent as humanly possible! Enjoying the grind again and got a good gym partner from work coming with me so it makes it fun - we get to talk shit about work and just enjoy the time training and destress Probably different family one is underground the other is above
closely related though I assume Thanks bro!
go hit the gym! Thanks bro!
Yeah idk how I still got Vascularity at 91kg!
I love it though Yep! Will readjust dosing tonight
Thats much better
thanks Lev!
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Great work you're putting and open and willing to adjust based on feedback... you're getting really dialed in bro and it's looking great!
Probably different family one is underground the other is above
Thanks bro!
Thanks bro!
Yeah idk how I still got Vascularity at 91kg!
Yep! Will readjust dosing tonight
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Thanks bro! Very much appreciated
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@CypherOCE looking lean and vascular man. Killing this logNew updates:
Blood work is in from 150 test
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Great result probably a little on the high side so I was thinking I’d drop it down to 100mg weekly.
Food wise: still tracking really well. Gaining the weight back has been super easy and I’m still very lean
Currently maintaining 91-92kg @ 6’1.
And hitting 400+ protein daily with 250-300 carbs and 80 fat.
Really just enjoying the process again, the grind is addictive and has been giving me that mental relief after a long day at work as I’ve swapped from early morning gym to later at night.
Pumps have been ELITE after a full day of food. (See below)
On the baby front.. high e2 has tanked any drive for sexy time
I have 3 or 4 repeats so I’ll give that a red hot crack and hopefully in the new year and something tk write home about
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Things have been progressing well on the swimmers journey
Have successfully recomped and back up to a sustainable weight so my cortisol is back to super low levels
Have dropped T down to 75mg weekly
HCG is at 3000IU weekly and Gonal F is at 450IU weekly.
Due for another sperm test shortly and will post results then
for now enjoy some shoots from a cheeky Saturday shoulders session
Have successfully recomped and back up to a sustainable weight so my cortisol is back to super low levels
Have dropped T down to 75mg weekly
HCG is at 3000IU weekly and Gonal F is at 450IU weekly.
Due for another sperm test shortly and will post results then
for now enjoy some shoots from a cheeky Saturday shoulders session
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You look amazing for a guy on low dose TRT @CypherOCE waiting on your testThings have been progressing well on the swimmers journey
Have successfully recomped and back up to a sustainable weight so my cortisol is back to super low levels
Have dropped T down to 75mg weekly
HCG is at 3000IU weekly and Gonal F is at 450IU weekly.
Due for another sperm test shortly and will post results then
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Looking good man! Really excited to watch you get after this fertilty push, as I have said in the past - if you have any questions of my experience just reach out mate - happy to helpThings have been progressing well on the swimmers journey
Have successfully recomped and back up to a sustainable weight so my cortisol is back to super low levels
Have dropped T down to 75mg weekly
HCG is at 3000IU weekly and Gonal F is at 450IU weekly.
Due for another sperm test shortly and will post results then
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Thanks bro! I’ll reach out when I get back home just got off a flight
Did you go through the same thing mate I’m interested to hear and see how you went and also @CypherOCE. Good luck op
Sure did mate, I came off a primo, test, npp cycle straight into fertility, took me about 3 months but the mrs is now 14 weeks pregnant, I came off test, used HCG, HMG, Enclomiphene and HGH with a ton of different vitamins and supps, but absolutely did the trick, I reckon I could of kept a low dose of test - I learnt a heap of how it all works in the process, HMG is key.
Legend bro thank you I don’t wanna drop below 250mg test but it seems like it has to be done
Yeah I know the fall from a full cycle to nada felt ass, short term pain, long term gain, next time I will try and do it on like 80-90mg just to keep myself a man haha.Legend bro thank you I don’t wanna drop below 250mg test but it seems like it has to be done
Astaxanthin, Myo-Inositol, Choline, Injectable L Cartinine, coq10, Vitamin e, Zinc, Selenium, Copper, Methyl Folate, NAC, High dose Fish Oil.
The core of what I was running ontop of it to ensure sperm quality and spermatogenesis too.
Overkill? maybe, I threw everything at it though haha
Shoulders looking insane here!Things have been progressing well on the swimmers journey
Have successfully recomped and back up to a sustainable weight so my cortisol is back to super low levels
Have dropped T down to 75mg weekly
HCG is at 3000IU weekly and Gonal F is at 450IU weekly.
Due for another sperm test shortly and will post results then
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Thanks bro!
Sick delts brother and you're practically on no extra T except replacement + maybe a bit more. Unreal.Things have been progressing well on the swimmers journey
Have successfully recomped and back up to a sustainable weight so my cortisol is back to super low levels
Have dropped T down to 75mg weekly
HCG is at 3000IU weekly and Gonal F is at 450IU weekly.
Due for another sperm test shortly and will post results then
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OdinLabsRep
Suspended December 2025
This is actually amazing. You’ve responded better to TRT than we could have ever expectedThings have been progressing well on the swimmers journey
Have successfully recomped and back up to a sustainable weight so my cortisol is back to super low levels
Have dropped T down to 75mg weekly
HCG is at 3000IU weekly and Gonal F is at 450IU weekly.
Due for another sperm test shortly and will post results then
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This is why team Odin love you
no homo except for @BigCheese2000 we know he wants to kiss you because @Wheelhouse87 told us 
Thanks bro
Yep! considering dropping it altogether if sperm parameters don’t improve from last time but I’ll play it by ear and decide when I see the results
Low dose T has me feeling phenomenal I think I’ve actually grown more this year
Slow and steady always wins the race for permanent muscle gains. Put your fertility first though obviously and post your parameters here and @ tag me once you've put them up.Thanks bro
Yep! considering dropping it altogether if sperm parameters don’t improve from last time but I’ll play it by ear and decide when I see the results
Low dose T has me feeling phenomenal I think I’ve actually grown more this year
Will do my man!
My beloved brethren…
THE SWIMMERS HAVE FINALLY RETURNED.
After what felt like an eternity of my little guys taking permanent coffee breaks and refusing to report for duty, the troops have at last shown up to work.
It’s been a long, heroic struggle through the Land of the Blanks… but fertility has been restored!
I’m not even gonna lie—when I saw the results, a single majestic tear rolled down my face. Then I laughed at myself for crying over microscopic dudes doing the breaststroke.
But truly… my heart is full.
I’m beyond happy
I’d really like to thank @Wolfenstein and my OG sponsor Odin for believing I could achieve these outstanding results. Both of them have been instrumental in supporting me and providing advice and just in general being supportive of me.
Wolf and Odin are two of the best guys to have in your corner.
To everyone else who always reached out and asked how I was going and gave me words of encouragement along along the way, thank you although you might’ve considered that just a normal and polite thing to do it helped me massively with the mental game.
Thank you to all my EVO brothers and sisters the support from this community has been and always is amazing
Now I’m onto the next phase making babies
@Eddie Haskell @LevButlerov @Allupfromhere @Wolfenstein @bss @BigCheese2000 @Trenhead3cc @Eveflorence @Ratatata @Grumpy @codezz @Mobster @HarleyGuy @Dreamer @waggat @BobbyFranky
oh man too many people to tag
THE SWIMMERS HAVE FINALLY RETURNED.
After what felt like an eternity of my little guys taking permanent coffee breaks and refusing to report for duty, the troops have at last shown up to work.
It’s been a long, heroic struggle through the Land of the Blanks… but fertility has been restored!
I’m not even gonna lie—when I saw the results, a single majestic tear rolled down my face. Then I laughed at myself for crying over microscopic dudes doing the breaststroke.
But truly… my heart is full.
I’m beyond happy I’d really like to thank @Wolfenstein and my OG sponsor Odin for believing I could achieve these outstanding results. Both of them have been instrumental in supporting me and providing advice and just in general being supportive of me.
Wolf and Odin are two of the best guys to have in your corner.
To everyone else who always reached out and asked how I was going and gave me words of encouragement along along the way, thank you although you might’ve considered that just a normal and polite thing to do it helped me massively with the mental game.
Thank you to all my EVO brothers and sisters the support from this community has been and always is amazing
Now I’m onto the next phase
making babies @Eddie Haskell @LevButlerov @Allupfromhere @Wolfenstein @bss @BigCheese2000 @Trenhead3cc @Eveflorence @Ratatata @Grumpy @codezz @Mobster @HarleyGuy @Dreamer @waggat @BobbyFranky
oh man too many people to tag
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Congratulations mate truly happy for youMy beloved brethren…
THE SWIMMERS HAVE FINALLY RETURNED.
After what felt like an eternity of my little guys taking permanent coffee breaks and refusing to report for duty, the troops have at last shown up to work.
It’s been a long, heroic struggle through the Land of the Blanks… but fertility has been restored!
I’m not even gonna lie—when I saw the results, a single majestic tear rolled down my face. Then I laughed at myself for crying over microscopic dudes doing the breaststroke.
But truly… my heart is full.
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I’d really like to thank @Wolfenstein and my OG sponsor Odin for believing I could achieve these outstanding results. Both of them have been instrumental in supporting me and providing advice and just in general being supportive of me.
Wolf and Odin are two of the best guys to have in your corner.
To everyone else who always reached out and asked how I was going and gave me words of encouragement along along the way, thank you although you might’ve considered that just a normal and polite thing to do it helped me massively with the mental game.
Thank you to all my EVO brothers and sisters the support from this community has been and always is amazing
Now I’m onto the next phase
@Eddie Haskell @LevButlerov @Allupfromhere @Wolfenstein @bss @BigCheese2000 @Trenhead3cc @Eveflorence @Ratatata @Grumpy @codezz @Mobster @HarleyGuy @Dreamer @waggat @BobbyFranky
oh man too many people to tag
Wolfenstein
Suspended February 2026
Super happy for you brotherMy beloved brethren…
THE SWIMMERS HAVE FINALLY RETURNED.
After what felt like an eternity of my little guys taking permanent coffee breaks and refusing to report for duty, the troops have at last shown up to work.
It’s been a long, heroic struggle through the Land of the Blanks… but fertility has been restored!
I’m not even gonna lie—when I saw the results, a single majestic tear rolled down my face. Then I laughed at myself for crying over microscopic dudes doing the breaststroke.
But truly… my heart is full.
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I’d really like to thank @Wolfenstein and my OG sponsor Odin for believing I could achieve these outstanding results. Both of them have been instrumental in supporting me and providing advice and just in general being supportive of me.
Wolf and Odin are two of the best guys to have in your corner.
To everyone else who always reached out and asked how I was going and gave me words of encouragement along along the way, thank you although you might’ve considered that just a normal and polite thing to do it helped me massively with the mental game.
Thank you to all my EVO brothers and sisters the support from this community has been and always is amazing
Now I’m onto the next phase
@Eddie Haskell @LevButlerov @Allupfromhere @Wolfenstein @bss @BigCheese2000 @Trenhead3cc @Eveflorence @Ratatata @Grumpy @codezz @Mobster @HarleyGuy @Dreamer @waggat @BobbyFranky
oh man too many people to tag
honestly the best outcome you could hope for. Im happy the HCG/HMG did its thing and contributed to this and helped in creating future babies 
Congratulation bro!!! Little ducky on the wayMy beloved brethren…
THE SWIMMERS HAVE FINALLY RETURNED.
After what felt like an eternity of my little guys taking permanent coffee breaks and refusing to report for duty, the troops have at last shown up to work.
It’s been a long, heroic struggle through the Land of the Blanks… but fertility has been restored!
I’m not even gonna lie—when I saw the results, a single majestic tear rolled down my face. Then I laughed at myself for crying over microscopic dudes doing the breaststroke.
But truly… my heart is full.
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I’d really like to thank @Wolfenstein and my OG sponsor Odin for believing I could achieve these outstanding results. Both of them have been instrumental in supporting me and providing advice and just in general being supportive of me.
Wolf and Odin are two of the best guys to have in your corner.
To everyone else who always reached out and asked how I was going and gave me words of encouragement along along the way, thank you although you might’ve considered that just a normal and polite thing to do it helped me massively with the mental game.
Thank you to all my EVO brothers and sisters the support from this community has been and always is amazing
Now I’m onto the next phase
@Eddie Haskell @LevButlerov @Allupfromhere @Wolfenstein @bss @BigCheese2000 @Trenhead3cc @Eveflorence @Ratatata @Grumpy @codezz @Mobster @HarleyGuy @Dreamer @waggat @BobbyFranky
oh man too many people to tag
You’re the bestSuper happy for you brother
really appreciate you always taking time for me and keeping me sane when I wanted to throw in the towel multiple times Thank you for being a real bro
That is awesome brother, truly happy for youMy beloved brethren…
THE SWIMMERS HAVE FINALLY RETURNED.
After what felt like an eternity of my little guys taking permanent coffee breaks and refusing to report for duty, the troops have at last shown up to work.
It’s been a long, heroic struggle through the Land of the Blanks… but fertility has been restored!
I’m not even gonna lie—when I saw the results, a single majestic tear rolled down my face. Then I laughed at myself for crying over microscopic dudes doing the breaststroke.
But truly… my heart is full.
View attachment 152730
I’d really like to thank @Wolfenstein and my OG sponsor Odin for believing I could achieve these outstanding results. Both of them have been instrumental in supporting me and providing advice and just in general being supportive of me.
Wolf and Odin are two of the best guys to have in your corner.
To everyone else who always reached out and asked how I was going and gave me words of encouragement along along the way, thank you although you might’ve considered that just a normal and polite thing to do it helped me massively with the mental game.
Thank you to all my EVO brothers and sisters the support from this community has been and always is amazing
Now I’m onto the next phase
@Eddie Haskell @LevButlerov @Allupfromhere @Wolfenstein @bss @BigCheese2000 @Trenhead3cc @Eveflorence @Ratatata @Grumpy @codezz @Mobster @HarleyGuy @Dreamer @waggat @BobbyFranky
oh man too many people to tag
Congrats brother! another success story for the HMG and HCG, I am so happy for you, now onto the fun stuff!My beloved brethren…
THE SWIMMERS HAVE FINALLY RETURNED.
After what felt like an eternity of my little guys taking permanent coffee breaks and refusing to report for duty, the troops have at last shown up to work.
It’s been a long, heroic struggle through the Land of the Blanks… but fertility has been restored!
I’m not even gonna lie—when I saw the results, a single majestic tear rolled down my face. Then I laughed at myself for crying over microscopic dudes doing the breaststroke.
But truly… my heart is full.
View attachment 152730
I’d really like to thank @Wolfenstein and my OG sponsor Odin for believing I could achieve these outstanding results. Both of them have been instrumental in supporting me and providing advice and just in general being supportive of me.
Wolf and Odin are two of the best guys to have in your corner.
To everyone else who always reached out and asked how I was going and gave me words of encouragement along along the way, thank you although you might’ve considered that just a normal and polite thing to do it helped me massively with the mental game.
Thank you to all my EVO brothers and sisters the support from this community has been and always is amazing
Now I’m onto the next phase
@Eddie Haskell @LevButlerov @Allupfromhere @Wolfenstein @bss @BigCheese2000 @Trenhead3cc @Eveflorence @Ratatata @Grumpy @codezz @Mobster @HarleyGuy @Dreamer @waggat @BobbyFranky
oh man too many people to tag
Wrapped for ya bro! Been a long journey but we got there
LevButlerov
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They are backMy beloved brethren…
THE SWIMMERS HAVE FINALLY RETURNED.
After what felt like an eternity of my little guys taking permanent coffee breaks and refusing to report for duty, the troops have at last shown up to work.
It’s been a long, heroic struggle through the Land of the Blanks… but fertility has been restored!
I’m not even gonna lie—when I saw the results, a single majestic tear rolled down my face. Then I laughed at myself for crying over microscopic dudes doing the breaststroke.
But truly… my heart is full.
View attachment 152730
I’d really like to thank @Wolfenstein and my OG sponsor Odin for believing I could achieve these outstanding results. Both of them have been instrumental in supporting me and providing advice and just in general being supportive of me.
Wolf and Odin are two of the best guys to have in your corner.
To everyone else who always reached out and asked how I was going and gave me words of encouragement along along the way, thank you although you might’ve considered that just a normal and polite thing to do it helped me massively with the mental game.
Thank you to all my EVO brothers and sisters the support from this community has been and always is amazing
Now I’m onto the next phase
@Eddie Haskell @LevButlerov @Allupfromhere @Wolfenstein @bss @BigCheese2000 @Trenhead3cc @Eveflorence @Ratatata @Grumpy @codezz @Mobster @HarleyGuy @Dreamer @waggat @BobbyFranky
oh man too many people to tag
@CypherOCE and this is with you taking self TRT right?
Yep!They are back
75mg Test E EOD
3000IU HCG EOD
450IU (Gonal F) HMG EOD
400mcg L-carnitine ED (admittedly didn’t take this everyday though)
This was pretty much my stack, I did drop the test down from 150mg a few weeks back also.
Congrats mate 
it’s baby making season goodluck brother
it’s baby making season goodluck brother
LevButlerov
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we should make this stack a sticky
even on testosterone you can recover your sperm count, it's a fact here @CypherOCEWolfenstein
Suspended February 2026
yeah test will shut you down no matter what, after his pct failed I advised him to jump back on trt as his natural test most likely won’t come back and there’s no point feeling like crap. The hcg/hmg will work regardless of being on test or not because you’re basically tricking your body into thinking it’s producing hormones it isn’t which gets the testies working again. I think he’s really proved the sperm cycle is 60-90 days, cause we saw nothing for a few months, glad it worked out with persistence.we should make this stack a sticky
@CypherOCE let me know if you’re running low on the hcg and I’ll send you another kit on the house
Brother that's the best news I had in a long time! I'm really happy for you guys! Now it's time to start tracking her cycles and make sure you guys have sex at the right time, let the games beginMy beloved brethren…
THE SWIMMERS HAVE FINALLY RETURNED.
After what felt like an eternity of my little guys taking permanent coffee breaks and refusing to report for duty, the troops have at last shown up to work.
It’s been a long, heroic struggle through the Land of the Blanks… but fertility has been restored!
I’m not even gonna lie—when I saw the results, a single majestic tear rolled down my face. Then I laughed at myself for crying over microscopic dudes doing the breaststroke.
But truly… my heart is full.
View attachment 152730
I’d really like to thank @Wolfenstein and my OG sponsor Odin for believing I could achieve these outstanding results. Both of them have been instrumental in supporting me and providing advice and just in general being supportive of me.
Wolf and Odin are two of the best guys to have in your corner.
To everyone else who always reached out and asked how I was going and gave me words of encouragement along along the way, thank you although you might’ve considered that just a normal and polite thing to do it helped me massively with the mental game.
Thank you to all my EVO brothers and sisters the support from this community has been and always is amazing
Now I’m onto the next phase
@Eddie Haskell @LevButlerov @Allupfromhere @Wolfenstein @bss @BigCheese2000 @Trenhead3cc @Eveflorence @Ratatata @Grumpy @codezz @Mobster @HarleyGuy @Dreamer @waggat @BobbyFranky
oh man too many people to tag
Honestly brother congratulationsMy beloved brethren…
THE SWIMMERS HAVE FINALLY RETURNED.
After what felt like an eternity of my little guys taking permanent coffee breaks and refusing to report for duty, the troops have at last shown up to work.
It’s been a long, heroic struggle through the Land of the Blanks… but fertility has been restored!
I’m not even gonna lie—when I saw the results, a single majestic tear rolled down my face. Then I laughed at myself for crying over microscopic dudes doing the breaststroke.
But truly… my heart is full.
View attachment 152730
I’d really like to thank @Wolfenstein and my OG sponsor Odin for believing I could achieve these outstanding results. Both of them have been instrumental in supporting me and providing advice and just in general being supportive of me.
Wolf and Odin are two of the best guys to have in your corner.
To everyone else who always reached out and asked how I was going and gave me words of encouragement along along the way, thank you although you might’ve considered that just a normal and polite thing to do it helped me massively with the mental game.
Thank you to all my EVO brothers and sisters the support from this community has been and always is amazing
Now I’m onto the next phase
@Eddie Haskell @LevButlerov @Allupfromhere @Wolfenstein @bss @BigCheese2000 @Trenhead3cc @Eveflorence @Ratatata @Grumpy @codezz @Mobster @HarleyGuy @Dreamer @waggat @BobbyFranky
oh man too many people to tag
I have always been a believer that good things happen to good people, maybe not always at the time we expect but eventually comes round.
Happy for you guys and must be some relief for you and the wifey
Now lets smash a session when you back in Melbourne
110%! I’ll come and hunt you down for a JOOOCEY shoulders sessionHonestly brother congratulations
I have always been a believer that good things happen to good people, maybe not always at the time we expect but eventually comes round.
Happy for you guys and must be some relief for you and the wifey
Now lets smash a session when you back in Melbourne
So happy it’s proven to workwe should make this stack a sticky
if it can be stickied I’ll be over the moon! Happy to help and offer advice to anyone going down the same route
You’re the bestyeah test will shut you down no matter what, after his pct failed I advised him to jump back on trt as his natural test most likely won’t come back and there’s no point feeling like crap. The hcg/hmg will work regardless of being on test or not because you’re basically tricking your body into thinking it’s producing hormones it isn’t which gets the testies working again. I think he’s really proved the sperm cycle is 60-90 days, cause we saw nothing for a few months, glad it worked out with persistence.
@CypherOCE let me know if you’re running low on the hcg and I’ll send you another kit on the house
I think I have a few left but I’ll let you know regardless, hopefully the next phase of this doesn’t take too long Yep! We’ve been discussing that tonight hahaBrother that's the best news I had in a long time! I'm really happy for you guys! Now it's time to start tracking her cycles and make sure you guys have sex at the right time, let the games begin
we’re both very excited because we didn’t think it would happen for us but glad the results have turned around!!Hey bro this could be silly as fk question, 450iu every other day? Do the vials come in 150iu? So that’s 3 vials shot in the one day. Or am I missing something
I used a prescription HMG called Gonal F
basically HMG on gear expensive option but well worth it IMO
