Approved Log Primobolan Testosterone Anavar Cycle Log

[theradbrad]

Hi all, hope you're all well, I'm a new member here and been reading through a heap of the forums / logs recently and thankful for all your combined experience. And thank you @LevButlerov
For the warm welcome.

I'll be posting my cycle log and I'm happy for you all to critique it where needed, if I'm missing anything or should change or add anything, open to any suggestions and questions.
I've already started the cycle, was originally tossing up between compounds etc. And settled on: Primo / Test and Anavar

Cycle history:
Test E 300 weekly - 14 weeks (was watery af)
Anavar 20mg daily 8 weeks

Its not first time adding a second oil to my cycle, so first experience with Primo.

Been on TRT for about a year
150mg weekly split in 3
2iu HGH nightly
I'm a high aromatizer - no symptoms
-
Will post pathology on this ^^


Running Anavar for the first 7 weeks
Test and primo for 16-20 weeks depending on bloods etc.

Test E 250mg/ml - Prescribed via doctor
Primo E 250mg/ml - Gold standard labs
Anavar - Raptor labs

Originally split into 3x weekly -
Test: 300mg weekly
Primo 300mg weekly
Anavar: 30mg daily
HGH: 2iu nightly

Now ED pins 18iu of each:
Test: 315mg weekly
Primo: 315mg weekly
Anavar: 30mg daily
HGH: 2iu nightly

Reason for switching to daily pins is:
Primo PIP is really bad, causes body aches and lethargy (especially the first pin), Second pin was about 85% as bad, third slightly less again and so on. Basically feels like my immune systems been flaring up after shots but getting less flared and reactive to them slowly. Anyone else experience this ?

Example first shot is still a bit swollen and painful and it's on day 9 now lol

Not saying the Primo or source is bad at all either here guys, He's got great reviews from everyone, including people that have used his primo and posted about it and is genuinely great to deal with, I think it's an unfortunate case of I personally don't react that well to Primo initially, don't yet know in a week or two from now how I'll be reacting so hoping ED pinning and scoping it out first with the fact that it's trending less immune reactions every shot slightly will reduce this issue and potentially not react so badly / ican continue on using Primo ideally

If it's unbearable or continues to flare me up like that, then I can switch over to EQ and test E instead

Your thoughts / experiences on the above would be appreciated here

Okay onto the next bit:
Age: 35
Height: 168cm
Weight: 71.5kg
Bf: 10-12
Goals for cycle - lean bulk 0.3 - 0.4kg weekly

Diet:
2550cal training days
2350 test days
P 170
F 45-60
C remainder
(Adjusting calories from carbs every 2 weeks depending on weight trend)

Supps:
Glutathione
Tudca / milk thistle
Calcium D Glucarate
B complex
Fish oil
Electrolytes

Training
Push / Pull / Legs / Push / Pull / Legs
3-4 x 6-12

Only cardio i do is walking.

Some dropsets sprinkled in with quad extensions, lateral raises, biceps.

 

[jenkemj]

Hi all, hope you're all well, I'm a new member here and been reading through a heap of the forums / logs recently and thankful for all your combined experience. And thank you @LevButlerov
For the warm welcome.

I'll be posting my cycle log and I'm happy for you all to critique it where needed, if I'm missing anything or should change or add anything, open to any suggestions and questions.
I've already started the cycle, was originally tossing up between compounds etc. And settled on: Primo / Test and Anavar

Cycle history:
Test E 300 weekly - 14 weeks (was watery af)
Anavar 20mg daily 8 weeks

Its not first time adding a second oil to my cycle, so first experience with Primo.

Been on TRT for about a year
150mg weekly split in 3
2iu HGH nightly
I'm a high aromatizer - no symptoms
-
Will post pathology on this ^^


Running Anavar for the first 7 weeks
Test and primo for 16-20 weeks depending on bloods etc.

Test E 250mg/ml - Prescribed via doctor
Primo E 250mg/ml - Gold standard labs
Anavar - Raptor labs

Originally split into 3x weekly -
Test: 300mg weekly
Primo 300mg weekly
Anavar: 30mg daily
HGH: 2iu nightly

Now ED pins 18iu of each:
Test: 315mg weekly
Primo: 315mg weekly
Anavar: 30mg daily
HGH: 2iu nightly

Reason for switching to daily pins is:
Primo PIP is really bad, causes body aches and lethargy (especially the first pin), Second pin was about 85% as bad, third slightly less again and so on. Basically feels like my immune systems been flaring up after shots but getting less flared and reactive to them slowly. Anyone else experience this ?

Example first shot is still a bit swollen and painful and it's on day 9 now lol

Not saying the Primo or source is bad at all either here guys, He's got great reviews from everyone, including people that have used his primo and posted about it and is genuinely great to deal with, I think it's an unfortunate case of I personally don't react that well to Primo initially, don't yet know in a week or two from now how I'll be reacting so hoping ED pinning and scoping it out first with the fact that it's trending less immune reactions every shot slightly will reduce this issue and potentially not react so badly / ican continue on using Primo ideally

If it's unbearable or continues to flare me up like that, then I can switch over to EQ and test E instead

Your thoughts / experiences on the above would be appreciated here

Okay onto the next bit:
Age: 35
Height: 168cm
Weight: 71.5kg
Bf: 10-12
Goals for cycle - lean bulk 0.3 - 0.4kg weekly

Diet:
2550cal training days
2350 test days
P 170
F 45-60
C remainder
(Adjusting calories from carbs every 2 weeks depending on weight trend)

Supps:
Glutathione
Tudca / milk thistle
Calcium D Glucarate
B complex
Fish oil
Electrolytes

Training
Push / Pull / Legs / Push / Pull / Legs
3-4 x 6-12

Only cardio i do is walking.

Some dropsets sprinkled in with quad extensions, lateral raises, biceps.

Hey mate

Good start to the log bro, welcome to Evo

Did you use any ai previously to lower e2?

In theory the 1:1 ratio of test to primo should
Be goood for your cycle to control the excessive aromatisation, but you should get bloods done 4 weeks after starting when the primo and test e levels have stabilised to see where you are at and where to adjust the testrimo ratio if needed.

Make sure you’ve got cycle support for the Var aswell bro. If you can give an outline of how much you take of each supp?

I’d add in atleast 1000mg of citrus bergamot for your hdl/ldl levels. Particularly when using anavar.

With the pip are you doing IM injections? If not that should reduce the pain.

 

[theradbrad]

Hey mate

Good start to the log bro, welcome to Evo

Did you use any ai previously to lower e2?

In theory the 1:1 ratio of test to primo should
Be goood for your cycle to control the excessive aromatisation, but you should get bloods done 4 weeks after starting when the primo and test e levels have stabilised to see where you are at and where to adjust the testrimo ratio if needed.

Make sure you’ve got cycle support for the Var aswell bro. If you can give an outline of how much you take of each supp?

I’d add in atleast 1000mg of citrus bergamot for your hdl/ldl levels. Particularly when using anavar.

With the pip are you doing IM injections? If not that should reduce the pain.

Thanks bro

I didn't use any AI for E2 as had no symptoms

Thats right, plans to get bloods done in 3 weeks to see where hormones are at, just unsure at this point yet if I'll be continuing the primo or not, depends on how I respond to ED pins and symptoms, shots are done IM also. Subq would be miserable af with this lol

Amounts of each are as follows-
Liposomal glutathione 2000mg
B Complex is a bunch of mixed MGS
Calcium D Glucarate - 500mg
Tudca Milk thistle - 1000mg
Fish oil - 4500-6000mg

Will order the citrus bergamot now thanks for the suggestion on that one, so, daily for only the duration of the var or ongoing ?

Cheers man

 

[jenkemj]

Thanks bro

I didn't use any AI for E2 as had no symptoms

Thats right, plans to get bloods done in 3 weeks to see where hormones are at, just unsure at this point yet if I'll be continuing the primo or not, depends on how I respond to ED pins and symptoms, shots are done IM also. Subq would be miserable af with this lol

Amounts of each are as follows-
Liposomal glutathione 2000mg
B Complex is a bunch of mixed MGS
Calcium D Glucarate - 500mg
Tudca Milk thistle - 1000mg
Fish oil - 4500-6000mg

Will order the citrus bergamot now thanks for the suggestion on that one, so, daily for only the duration of the var or ongoing ?

Cheers man

Yeah bro,

No idea what’s causing the pip man.

Great Milk Thistle and Tudca for liver support
Fish Oil should work well with the citrus bergamot in raising hdl and lowering ldl.

Keep the citrus b in for the whole cycle. It’s most important with the anavar but primo will raise your ldl and lower your hdl aswell.

Aside from that add CoQ10 200mg for heart support and Taurine 3000mg for blood pressure. Even if your blood pressure is fine it’ll stop any cramping if you get it on Anavar.

You can also consider a cycle support as well for an all round base. There’s a few options here in the forum. I’m sure you’ll get a few more pointers after this comment aswell bro to help you optimise

 

[theradbrad]

Yeah bro,

No idea what’s causing the pip man.

Great Milk Thistle and Tudca for liver support
Fish Oil should work well with the citrus bergamot in raising hdl and lowering ldl.

Keep the citrus b in for the whole cycle. It’s most important with the anavar but primo will raise your ldl and lower your hdl aswell.

Aside from that add CoQ10 200mg for heart support and Taurine 3000mg for blood pressure. Even if your blood pressure is fine it’ll stop any cramping if you get it on Anavar.

You can also consider a cycle support as well for an all round base. There’s a few options here in the forum. I’m sure you’ll get a few more pointers after this comment aswell bro to help you optimise

I'll definitely be adding your suggestions to my supplement stack, thanks heaps for taking the time out to help me out here bro, appreciate it

 

[jenkemj]

I'll definitely be adding your suggestions to my supplement stack, thanks heaps for taking the time out to help me out here bro, appreciate it

No worries bro, best of luck with the cycle! I’m sure you’ll have a few others chime in soon with more advice!

 

[HarleyGuy]

Hi all, hope you're all well, I'm a new member here and been reading through a heap of the forums / logs recently and thankful for all your combined experience. And thank you @LevButlerov
For the warm welcome.

I'll be posting my cycle log and I'm happy for you all to critique it where needed, if I'm missing anything or should change or add anything, open to any suggestions and questions.
I've already started the cycle, was originally tossing up between compounds etc. And settled on: Primo / Test and Anavar

Cycle history:
Test E 300 weekly - 14 weeks (was watery af)
Anavar 20mg daily 8 weeks

Its not first time adding a second oil to my cycle, so first experience with Primo.

Been on TRT for about a year
150mg weekly split in 3
2iu HGH nightly
I'm a high aromatizer - no symptoms
-
Will post pathology on this ^^


Running Anavar for the first 7 weeks
Test and primo for 16-20 weeks depending on bloods etc.

Test E 250mg/ml - Prescribed via doctor
Primo E 250mg/ml - Gold standard labs
Anavar - Raptor labs

Originally split into 3x weekly -
Test: 300mg weekly
Primo 300mg weekly
Anavar: 30mg daily
HGH: 2iu nightly

Now ED pins 18iu of each:
Test: 315mg weekly
Primo: 315mg weekly
Anavar: 30mg daily
HGH: 2iu nightly

Reason for switching to daily pins is:
Primo PIP is really bad, causes body aches and lethargy (especially the first pin), Second pin was about 85% as bad, third slightly less again and so on. Basically feels like my immune systems been flaring up after shots but getting less flared and reactive to them slowly. Anyone else experience this ?

Example first shot is still a bit swollen and painful and it's on day 9 now lol

Not saying the Primo or source is bad at all either here guys, He's got great reviews from everyone, including people that have used his primo and posted about it and is genuinely great to deal with, I think it's an unfortunate case of I personally don't react that well to Primo initially, don't yet know in a week or two from now how I'll be reacting so hoping ED pinning and scoping it out first with the fact that it's trending less immune reactions every shot slightly will reduce this issue and potentially not react so badly / ican continue on using Primo ideally

If it's unbearable or continues to flare me up like that, then I can switch over to EQ and test E instead

Your thoughts / experiences on the above would be appreciated here

Okay onto the next bit:
Age: 35
Height: 168cm
Weight: 71.5kg
Bf: 10-12
Goals for cycle - lean bulk 0.3 - 0.4kg weekly

Diet:
2550cal training days
2350 test days
P 170
F 45-60
C remainder
(Adjusting calories from carbs every 2 weeks depending on weight trend)

Supps:
Glutathione
Tudca / milk thistle
Calcium D Glucarate
B complex
Fish oil
Electrolytes

Training
Push / Pull / Legs / Push / Pull / Legs
3-4 x 6-12

Only cardio i do is walking.

Some dropsets sprinkled in with quad extensions, lateral raises, biceps.

Welcome aboard to the beginning of logging bro.
We just need some base physique pics posted and your log will be put in the mod que

I'm sorry about your issues with primo I would make every effort to find out which carrier oil was used as well as any solvent, reference your thread here https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/primo-cycle-pip.110122/

If your primo was 250mg/ml then you might be reacting to EO and may need to avoid that moving forward.

Once your log is approved we can look at where your macros are coming from in your diet. I like the dropsets and the carb cycling based on weight as well; welcome to EVO!

 

[LevButlerov]

Hi all, hope you're all well, I'm a new member here and been reading through a heap of the forums / logs recently and thankful for all your combined experience. And thank you @LevButlerov
For the warm welcome.

I'll be posting my cycle log and I'm happy for you all to critique it where needed, if I'm missing anything or should change or add anything, open to any suggestions and questions.
I've already started the cycle, was originally tossing up between compounds etc. And settled on: Primo / Test and Anavar

Cycle history:
Test E 300 weekly - 14 weeks (was watery af)
Anavar 20mg daily 8 weeks

Its not first time adding a second oil to my cycle, so first experience with Primo.

Been on TRT for about a year
150mg weekly split in 3
2iu HGH nightly
I'm a high aromatizer - no symptoms
-
Will post pathology on this ^^


Running Anavar for the first 7 weeks
Test and primo for 16-20 weeks depending on bloods etc.

Test E 250mg/ml - Prescribed via doctor
Primo E 250mg/ml - Gold standard labs
Anavar - Raptor labs

Originally split into 3x weekly -
Test: 300mg weekly
Primo 300mg weekly
Anavar: 30mg daily
HGH: 2iu nightly

Now ED pins 18iu of each:
Test: 315mg weekly
Primo: 315mg weekly
Anavar: 30mg daily
HGH: 2iu nightly

Reason for switching to daily pins is:
Primo PIP is really bad, causes body aches and lethargy (especially the first pin), Second pin was about 85% as bad, third slightly less again and so on. Basically feels like my immune systems been flaring up after shots but getting less flared and reactive to them slowly. Anyone else experience this ?

Example first shot is still a bit swollen and painful and it's on day 9 now lol

Not saying the Primo or source is bad at all either here guys, He's got great reviews from everyone, including people that have used his primo and posted about it and is genuinely great to deal with, I think it's an unfortunate case of I personally don't react that well to Primo initially, don't yet know in a week or two from now how I'll be reacting so hoping ED pinning and scoping it out first with the fact that it's trending less immune reactions every shot slightly will reduce this issue and potentially not react so badly / ican continue on using Primo ideally

If it's unbearable or continues to flare me up like that, then I can switch over to EQ and test E instead

Your thoughts / experiences on the above would be appreciated here

Okay onto the next bit:
Age: 35
Height: 168cm
Weight: 71.5kg
Bf: 10-12
Goals for cycle - lean bulk 0.3 - 0.4kg weekly

Diet:
2550cal training days
2350 test days
P 170
F 45-60
C remainder
(Adjusting calories from carbs every 2 weeks depending on weight trend)

Supps:
Glutathione
Tudca / milk thistle
Calcium D Glucarate
B complex
Fish oil
Electrolytes

Training
Push / Pull / Legs / Push / Pull / Legs
3-4 x 6-12

Only cardio i do is walking.

Some dropsets sprinkled in with quad extensions, lateral raises, biceps.

Thanks bro

I didn't use any AI for E2 as had no symptoms

Thats right, plans to get bloods done in 3 weeks to see where hormones are at, just unsure at this point yet if I'll be continuing the primo or not, depends on how I respond to ED pins and symptoms, shots are done IM also. Subq would be miserable af with this lol

Amounts of each are as follows-
Liposomal glutathione 2000mg
B Complex is a bunch of mixed MGS
Calcium D Glucarate - 500mg
Tudca Milk thistle - 1000mg
Fish oil - 4500-6000mg

Will order the citrus bergamot now thanks for the suggestion on that one, so, daily for only the duration of the var or ongoing ?

Cheers man

thank you for sharing @theradbrad please share some pics of you with your face blurred so we can understand your base and approve your log

 

[theradbrad]

Welcome aboard to the beginning of logging bro.
We just need some base physique pics posted and your log will be put in the mod que

I'm sorry about your issues with primo I would make every effort to find out which carrier oil was used as well as any solvent, reference your thread here https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/primo-cycle-pip.110122/

If your primo was 250mg/ml then you might be reacting to EO and may need to avoid that moving forward.

Once your log is approved we can look at where your macros are coming from in your diet. I like the dropsets and the carb cycling based on weight as well; welcome to EVO!

Thanks heaps bro, really good point with the EO = Ethyl Oleate (solvent). I did some reading and the side effects it causes lines up bang on with what I'm experiencing. I've now made an effort to find out what was used so I'll know for future, adding to the list of variables to consider when getting oils.

I'll do another post later today with before pics, updated weight, a little more depth into macros and training routine, and finally, updated cycle to 300 test / 200 EQ / Anavar 30mg daily (still has 5.5 weeks left)

Once again, thank you for your help mate

 

[theradbrad]

thank you for sharing please share some pics of you with your face blurred so we can understand your base and approve your log

No worries @LevButlerov I'll be updating my log this evening with before photos and updated cycle plan

Thanks mate

 

[LevButlerov]

No worries @LevButlerov I'll be updating my log this evening with before photos and updated cycle plan

Thanks mate

thank you

 

[HarleyGuy]

Thanks heaps bro, really good point with the EO = Ethyl Oleate (solvent). I did some reading and the side effects it causes lines up bang on with what I'm experiencing. I've now made an effort to find out what was used so I'll know for future, adding to the list of variables to consider when getting oils.

I'll do another post later today with before pics, updated weight, a little more depth into macros and training routine, and finally, updated cycle to 300 test / 200 EQ / Anavar 30mg daily (still has 5.5 weeks left)

Once again, thank you for your help mate

I'm thrilled that helped bro and I'm betting it's the EO (which ought to be in Primo350).

No need for thanks bro, thank YOU in advance for getting what will be a great log going. You have some great starting info for us all we need is your base physique pic and some more details let's do it!

 

[Coolguy]

Nice start to the log brother.
There's plenty of things that can cause pip.
Bad gear.
Bad injection.
Mixing oils.
Not cleaning the tops of vials.
Fuck even the spot you inject
If you're using an approved source the gear should be legitimate.

Can I ask where your injection site is?
Some areas close to capillaries and nerves can cause pip same as overusing a spot.

 

[jenkemj]

Nice start to the log brother.
There's plenty of things that can cause pip.
Bad gear.
Bad injection.
Mixing oils.
Not cleaning the tops of vials.
Fuck even the spot you inject
If you're using an approved source the gear should be legitimate.

Can I ask where your injection site is?
Some areas close to capillaries and nerves can cause pip same as overusing a spot.

He’s on Gold Standard bro, I remember proper jano testing on the primo done somewhere on a thread any idea where’d that’d be? The home roidkits he’s using aren’t amazing….

 

[theradbrad]

Can I ask where your injection site is?
Some areas close to capillaries and nerves can cause pip same as overusing a spot.

I think it's possibly because it's such a high concentration or potentially solvents that don't agree with me, but all good.

I've switched over to EQ 200mg weekly instead, I'm yet to post up a new cycle update

I was doing glutes, ventro glutes, did quads, was going onto delts next but switched compounds, my ass looks like Kim Kardashians still and I was supposed to be pinning them soon

 

[jenkemj]

I think it's possibly because it's such a high concentration or potentially solvents that don't agree with me, but all good.

I've switched over to EQ 200mg weekly instead, I'm yet to post up a new cycle update

I was doing glutes, ventro glutes, did quads, was going onto delts next but switched compounds, my ass looks like Kim Kardashians still and I was supposed to be pinning them soon

Tagged in you in the hplc Gold Standard did on their primo batch last month btw man

 

[theradbrad]

Tagged in you in the hplc Gold Standard did on their primo batch last month btw man

Thanks bro, He also sent it to me and it checks out when you verify it on Janoshik

 

[theradbrad]

Alright guys, Making the switch from Primo to EQ as I'm not tolerating the Primo well and thought I'd better switch sooner rather than later, So I'll have around 16-17 weeks to make use of the new cycle plan depending on bloods.

Updated compounds plan -
Split into 3x weekly
Test: 300mg weekly - pharma prescribed / R&D pharma (once my prescribed is gone)
EQ 300mg weekly - R&D pharma
Anavar: 30mg daily - Raptor labs
HGH: 2iu nightly - Own local supplier

Bloods will be taken:
Early May and early July (once EQ saturates and end of cycle)
So will adjust EQ / test ratio once I have bloods done which I'll post up for you guys to see
I've got test Prop on hand if E2 is low at any point for a quick fix

Let me know your thoughts on the ratio 200/300

PUSH A:
Incline press 4x6-10
Machine Flys 3x8-12
Lateral raises 3x12 - dropset 6,10,15 reps
Rear delts flys 3x10
Overhead tri's 4x8-12
Superset:
Tricep pushdowns - 2x failure
Close grip bench 2x failure

PULL
Lat pulldowns 4x8-10
Pullover machine 2x8-10
Rows 3x8-10
Bicep curls - 3x10 + dropset 6,10,15

LEGS A
Leg press 4x 8-10
Hack squats 3x8-10 failure on last one
Sissy hacksquats 3x12 controlled
Quad extensions 3x10 + dropsets 10 and 15 reps
Lying ham curls - 3x10-12
Seated ham curls 3x8-10
Hip abduction - 2x 10
Addiction 2x 10

Push B
Same as A but flat press instead of incline first

PULL
As above but rotate machines or T bar or grips

Legs B - easier one
Hack squat 4x10
Quad extensions 3x 10-12
Seated ham curls 3x10-12
Abduction / addiction 2x 10-12

Today's weight - 72.5kg
Height - 168cm

 

[theradbrad]

EQ 200mg*** weekly - R&D pharma
Test 300mg weekly - R&D pharma

 

[rizzlekdizzle]

You may find you need to up the test in that ratio to double the EQ

 

[CypherOCE]

Welcome aboard to the beginning of logging bro.
We just need some base physique pics posted and your log will be put in the mod que

I'm sorry about your issues with primo I would make every effort to find out which carrier oil was used as well as any solvent, reference your thread here https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/primo-cycle-pip.110122/

If your primo was 250mg/ml then you might be reacting to EO and may need to avoid that moving forward.

Once your log is approved we can look at where your macros are coming from in your diet. I like the dropsets and the carb cycling based on weight as well; welcome to EVO!

We don’t use EO in Australia haha - anyone using that in oils is a spastic

 

[Vboogie]

Nice start to the log brother.
There's plenty of things that can cause pip.
Bad gear.
Bad injection.
Mixing oils.
Not cleaning the tops of vials.
Fuck even the spot you inject
If you're using an approved source the gear should be legitimate.

Can I ask where your injection site is?
Some areas close to capillaries and nerves can cause pip same as overusing a spot.

It is really strange about the site. I get PIP 100% of the time in my glutes but absolutely none in my quads. Same exact compounds.

 

[theradbrad]

You may find you need to up the test in that ratio to double the EQ

Yeah I'm thinking it might end up being the case from everything I've been reading, thanks mate

 

[LevButlerov]

We don’t use EO in Australia haha - anyone using that in oils is a spastic

why not use EO? @CypherOCE spastic?

 

[rizzlekdizzle]

why not use EO? @CypherOCE spastic?

MCT is generally better tolerated and lower chance of allergy, thinner, lower PIP etc. Some vendors will use a different carrier on request for small batches for particularly sensitive people.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Alright guys, Making the switch from Primo to EQ as I'm not tolerating the Primo well and thought I'd better switch sooner rather than later, So I'll have around 16-17 weeks to make use of the new cycle plan depending on bloods.

Updated compounds plan -
Split into 3x weekly
Test: 300mg weekly - pharma prescribed / R&D pharma (once my prescribed is gone)
EQ 300mg weekly - R&D pharma
Anavar: 30mg daily - Raptor labs
HGH: 2iu nightly - Own local supplier

Bloods will be taken:
Early May and early July (once EQ saturates and end of cycle)
So will adjust EQ / test ratio once I have bloods done which I'll post up for you guys to see
I've got test Prop on hand if E2 is low at any point for a quick fix

Let me know your thoughts on the ratio 200/300

PUSH A:
Incline press 4x6-10
Machine Flys 3x8-12
Lateral raises 3x12 - dropset 6,10,15 reps
Rear delts flys 3x10
Overhead tri's 4x8-12
Superset:
Tricep pushdowns - 2x failure
Close grip bench 2x failure

PULL
Lat pulldowns 4x8-10
Pullover machine 2x8-10
Rows 3x8-10
Bicep curls - 3x10 + dropset 6,10,15

LEGS A
Leg press 4x 8-10
Hack squats 3x8-10 failure on last one
Sissy hacksquats 3x12 controlled
Quad extensions 3x10 + dropsets 10 and 15 reps
Lying ham curls - 3x10-12
Seated ham curls 3x8-10
Hip abduction - 2x 10
Addiction 2x 10

Push B
Same as A but flat press instead of incline first

PULL
As above but rotate machines or T bar or grips

Legs B - easier one
Hack squat 4x10
Quad extensions 3x 10-12
Seated ham curls 3x10-12
Abduction / addiction 2x 10-12

Today's weight - 72.5kg
Height - 168cm

Nice update, pics, and chest tatt bro! You'll be in mod que for log approval now.

 

[LevButlerov]

MCT is generally better tolerated and lower chance of allergy, thinner, lower PIP etc. Some vendors will use a different carrier on request for small batches for particularly sensitive people.

Sure I agree MCT is for sure cleaner

 

[toddthelineman]

Reason for switching to daily pins is:
Primo PIP is really bad

Most of this has already been covered but here we go anyway:

Primo usually causes pip. Even 100mg/ml. Daily pounds will help for a little while but it’s still getting in there and you’ll need a lot of injection sites. Some of those are going to be more sensitive

personally don't react that well to Primo

Not just you. Many people

didn't use any AI for E2 as had no symptoms

I thought that too. But things can still be happening over time. Not a good bet. I didn’t know anything was wrong until I fixed it

it's such a high concentration or potentially solvents that don't agree with me, but all good.

350/ml primo? Damn dude that must’ve hurt so bad. I used 200/ml primo years ago. I had no idea it would do that and I literally missed work over it. I was limping badly

 

[Apaulg71]

Hi all, hope you're all well, I'm a new member here and been reading through a heap of the forums / logs recently and thankful for all your combined experience. And thank you @LevButlerov
For the warm welcome.

I'll be posting my cycle log and I'm happy for you all to critique it where needed, if I'm missing anything or should change or add anything, open to any suggestions and questions.
I've already started the cycle, was originally tossing up between compounds etc. And settled on: Primo / Test and Anavar

Cycle history:
Test E 300 weekly - 14 weeks (was watery af)
Anavar 20mg daily 8 weeks

Its not first time adding a second oil to my cycle, so first experience with Primo.

Been on TRT for about a year
150mg weekly split in 3
2iu HGH nightly
I'm a high aromatizer - no symptoms
-
Will post pathology on this ^^


Running Anavar for the first 7 weeks
Test and primo for 16-20 weeks depending on bloods etc.

Test E 250mg/ml - Prescribed via doctor
Primo E 250mg/ml - Gold standard labs
Anavar - Raptor labs

Originally split into 3x weekly -
Test: 300mg weekly
Primo 300mg weekly
Anavar: 30mg daily
HGH: 2iu nightly

Now ED pins 18iu of each:
Test: 315mg weekly
Primo: 315mg weekly
Anavar: 30mg daily
HGH: 2iu nightly

Reason for switching to daily pins is:
Primo PIP is really bad, causes body aches and lethargy (especially the first pin), Second pin was about 85% as bad, third slightly less again and so on. Basically feels like my immune systems been flaring up after shots but getting less flared and reactive to them slowly. Anyone else experience this ?

Example first shot is still a bit swollen and painful and it's on day 9 now lol

Not saying the Primo or source is bad at all either here guys, He's got great reviews from everyone, including people that have used his primo and posted about it and is genuinely great to deal with, I think it's an unfortunate case of I personally don't react that well to Primo initially, don't yet know in a week or two from now how I'll be reacting so hoping ED pinning and scoping it out first with the fact that it's trending less immune reactions every shot slightly will reduce this issue and potentially not react so badly / ican continue on using Primo ideally

If it's unbearable or continues to flare me up like that, then I can switch over to EQ and test E instead

Your thoughts / experiences on the above would be appreciated here

Okay onto the next bit:
Age: 35
Height: 168cm
Weight: 71.5kg
Bf: 10-12
Goals for cycle - lean bulk 0.3 - 0.4kg weekly

Diet:
2550cal training days
2350 test days
P 170
F 45-60
C remainder
(Adjusting calories from carbs every 2 weeks depending on weight trend)

Supps:
Glutathione
Tudca / milk thistle
Calcium D Glucarate
B complex
Fish oil
Electrolytes

Training
Push / Pull / Legs / Push / Pull / Legs
3-4 x 6-12

Only cardio i do is walking.

Some dropsets sprinkled in with quad extensions, lateral raises, biceps.

I’ve been using GSL
Primo250 @.3 EOD
Sus350 @.3 EOD
And the pip has been full on ,I’m about 10 days in and my second pin,(left quad) is still sore,have tried delta and both have been sore for days ,I don’t think I will be able continue using this as the pip,like you said is actually making me fell unwell,almost like I have a flu or something,will be looking for an alternative, not super keen on EQ,thinking about giving mast a shot .
Any thoughts?

 

[jenkemj]

I’ve been using GSL
Primo250 @.3 EOD
Sus350 @.3 EOD
And the pip has been full on ,I’m about 10 days in and my second pin,(left quad) is still sore,have tried delta and both have been sore for days ,I don’t think I will be able continue using this as the pip,like you said is actually making me fell unwell,almost like I have a flu or something,will be looking for an alternative, not super keen on EQ,thinking about giving mast a shot .
Any thoughts?

Primo injections even at 100mg/ml can cause alot of pip. Glutes are more tolerant imo for pip. Give that a try if you’re interested. Mast is good if looking to mitigate estrogen side effects but it won’t lower your estrogen. You also won’t notice anything if you aren’t low
Body fat 13% and underish.

Also with primo if it’s unbearable just don’t use it and use an ai instead. Even though I know it’s expensive for primo, constant pain isn’t worth it. Best of luck bro

 

[Kingofspades712]

Hi all, hope you're all well, I'm a new member here and been reading through a heap of the forums / logs recently and thankful for all your combined experience. And thank you @LevButlerov
For the warm welcome.

I'll be posting my cycle log and I'm happy for you all to critique it where needed, if I'm missing anything or should change or add anything, open to any suggestions and questions.
I've already started the cycle, was originally tossing up between compounds etc. And settled on: Primo / Test and Anavar

Cycle history:
Test E 300 weekly - 14 weeks (was watery af)
Anavar 20mg daily 8 weeks

Its not first time adding a second oil to my cycle, so first experience with Primo.

Been on TRT for about a year
150mg weekly split in 3
2iu HGH nightly
I'm a high aromatizer - no symptoms
-
Will post pathology on this ^^


Running Anavar for the first 7 weeks
Test and primo for 16-20 weeks depending on bloods etc.

Test E 250mg/ml - Prescribed via doctor
Primo E 250mg/ml - Gold standard labs
Anavar - Raptor labs

Originally split into 3x weekly -
Test: 300mg weekly
Primo 300mg weekly
Anavar: 30mg daily
HGH: 2iu nightly

Now ED pins 18iu of each:
Test: 315mg weekly
Primo: 315mg weekly
Anavar: 30mg daily
HGH: 2iu nightly

Reason for switching to daily pins is:
Primo PIP is really bad, causes body aches and lethargy (especially the first pin), Second pin was about 85% as bad, third slightly less again and so on. Basically feels like my immune systems been flaring up after shots but getting less flared and reactive to them slowly. Anyone else experience this ?

Example first shot is still a bit swollen and painful and it's on day 9 now lol

Not saying the Primo or source is bad at all either here guys, He's got great reviews from everyone, including people that have used his primo and posted about it and is genuinely great to deal with, I think it's an unfortunate case of I personally don't react that well to Primo initially, don't yet know in a week or two from now how I'll be reacting so hoping ED pinning and scoping it out first with the fact that it's trending less immune reactions every shot slightly will reduce this issue and potentially not react so badly / ican continue on using Primo ideally

If it's unbearable or continues to flare me up like that, then I can switch over to EQ and test E instead

Your thoughts / experiences on the above would be appreciated here

Okay onto the next bit:
Age: 35
Height: 168cm
Weight: 71.5kg
Bf: 10-12
Goals for cycle - lean bulk 0.3 - 0.4kg weekly

Diet:
2550cal training days
2350 test days
P 170
F 45-60
C remainder
(Adjusting calories from carbs every 2 weeks depending on weight trend)

Supps:
Glutathione
Tudca / milk thistle
Calcium D Glucarate
B complex
Fish oil
Electrolytes

Training
Push / Pull / Legs / Push / Pull / Legs
3-4 x 6-12

Only cardio i do is walking.

Some dropsets sprinkled in with quad extensions, lateral raises, biceps.

Any primo over 100 mg per ml is going to kick like a horse big dog. That’s the one bad part about primo. 250 per ml is THICK

 

[Kingofspades712]

I had a ton of PIP with Sust 350 I tried to fight through it for about a month but it never got any easier. Ended up buying different Test. Hate that balled up feeling

 

[Apaulg71]

Primo injections even at 100mg/ml can cause alot of pip. Glutes are more tolerant imo for pip. Give that a try if you’re interested. Mast is good if looking to mitigate estrogen side effects but it won’t lower your estrogen. You also won’t notice anything if you aren’t low
Body fat 13% and underish.

Also with primo if it’s unbearable just don’t use it and use an ai instead. Even though I know it’s expensive for primo, constant pain isn’t worth it. Best of luck bro

Thanks bro, I got fat% covered and took an ai for 10 days , am waiting on blood work e2 to see where it’s at , hopefully low enough to maybe make the switch to mast ,will try the glutes and see if that’s better, quads definitely the worst , didn’t have the problem with just the sus250 have changed to sus350 as well hopefully it’s not that too.

 

[LevButlerov]

I had a ton of PIP with Sust 350 I tried to fight through it for about a month but it never got any easier. Ended up buying different Test. Hate that balled up feeling

Depends on the mix, carrier oil and ba/bb mix actually

 

[Apaulg71]

I had a ton of PIP with Sust 350 I tried to fight through it for about a month but it never got any easier. Ended up buying different Test. Hate that balled up feeling

I had a ton of PIP with Sust 350 I tried to fight through it for about a month but it never got any easier. Ended up buying different Test. Hate that balled up feeling

Nooooo , I hope it’s not this , it will be bad enough have to ditch the primo , I hope I don’t have to ditch the sus350 as well

 

[Kingofspades712]

Depends on the mix, carrier oil and ba/bb mix actually

Agreed. My brother and I ran identical cycles same exact gear. His pins were like butter mine were unbearable. It’s either the gear itself or some biological shit that’s above my mental capacity

 

[Kingofspades712]

Nooooo , I hope it’s not this , it will be bad enough have to ditch the primo , I hope I don’t have to ditch the sus350 as well

You might be fine. Everyone reacts differently and all gear seems to be different. Just gotta try it and see.

 

[Kingofspades712]

And when I say unbearable I mean it. lol my wife had to get me ready for work the entire time I was running that shit. Couldn’t even tie my work boots

 

[rizzlekdizzle]

oh that sucks man. I pip the sus350 and don't feel a thing (in the glutes). If I pin anything in the quads I feel it for days so I don't go there at all

 

[CypherOCE]

Any primo over 100 mg per ml is going to kick like a horse big dog. That’s the one bad part about primo. 250 per ml is THICK

Uhhhh no. You’ve clearly never used it before so don’t comment on things you have no knowledge about

 

[Mantic]

Thanks bro

I didn't use any AI for E2 as had no symptoms

Thats right, plans to get bloods done in 3 weeks to see where hormones are at, just unsure at this point yet if I'll be continuing the primo or not, depends on how I respond to ED pins and symptoms, shots are done IM also. Subq would be miserable af with this lol

Amounts of each are as follows-
Liposomal glutathione 2000mg
B Complex is a bunch of mixed MGS
Calcium D Glucarate - 500mg
Tudca Milk thistle - 1000mg
Fish oil - 4500-6000mg

Will order the citrus bergamot now thanks for the suggestion on that one, so, daily for only the duration of the var or ongoing ?

Cheers man

bro if the PIP is bad its not worth using it man, your body is telling you something. I would look into another oil. Id suggest some npp & low eq dose to keep e2 in check. Good luck man

 

[Pigsy]

I used 3 different vendors Primo 200mg/ml and all tested products never had any pip. Same as sus350. I used previous when sponsored by this Lab. Same no issue, I believe some are just susceptible to pip unfortunately

 

[Grumpy]

The gsl sus 350 is smooth as butter no pip whatsoever cant speak for the primo but trust in gel quality
I ran the suss 350 for a whole cycle never once got pip

 

[LevButlerov]

Agreed. My brother and I ran identical cycles same exact gear. His pins were like butter mine were unbearable. It’s either the gear itself or some biological shit that’s above my mental capacity

interesting do you know his full training diet?

And when I say unbearable I mean it. lol my wife had to get me ready for work the entire time I was running that shit. Couldn’t even tie my work boots

it might happen, but now oK?

 

[Kingofspades712]

interesting do you know his full training diet?

it might happen, but now oK?

I don’t know his full regiment I just know we were both pinning identical sust 350 same dosages. He didn’t get any pip and mine would ball up for 7-9 days every time. I’m 100% now but man there was some pins that had me unable to walk for days on end lol had to retire that vial about half way through and switch to cyp 250

 

[LevButlerov]

I don’t know his full regiment I just know we were both pinning identical sust 350 same dosages. He didn’t get any pip and mine would ball up for 7-9 days every time. I’m 100% now but man there was some pins that had me unable to walk for days on end lol had to retire that vial about half way through and switch to cyp 250

interesting

 

[theradbrad]

These results are on 385 test and the slightly higher one is on 490 test

Both with 210EQ, thought was to raise test which I did 4 weeks ago so my E2 would sit a little higher and I feel better with higher E2.

Any ideas as to why the serum testosterone / free test didn't jump accordingly to the higher dose ?

E2 149 on both - still waiting on results for LCMS E2 for latest test

 

[jenkemj]

These results are on 385 test and the slightly higher one is on 490 test

Both with 210EQ, thought was to raise test which I did 4 weeks ago so my E2 would sit a little higher and I feel better with higher E2.

Any ideas as to why the serum testosterone / free test didn't jump accordingly to the higher dose ?
View attachment 239544View attachment 239545
E2 149 on both - still waiting on results for LCMS E2 for latest test

Unreal bro I hope the lcms matches up nicely

 

[LevButlerov]

Alright guys, Making the switch from Primo to EQ as I'm not tolerating the Primo well and thought I'd better switch sooner rather than later, So I'll have around 16-17 weeks to make use of the new cycle plan depending on bloods.

Updated compounds plan -
Split into 3x weekly
Test: 300mg weekly - pharma prescribed / R&D pharma (once my prescribed is gone)
EQ 300mg weekly - R&D pharma
Anavar: 30mg daily - Raptor labs
HGH: 2iu nightly - Own local supplier

Bloods will be taken:
Early May and early July (once EQ saturates and end of cycle)
So will adjust EQ / test ratio once I have bloods done which I'll post up for you guys to see
I've got test Prop on hand if E2 is low at any point for a quick fix

Let me know your thoughts on the ratio 200/300

PUSH A:
Incline press 4x6-10
Machine Flys 3x8-12
Lateral raises 3x12 - dropset 6,10,15 reps
Rear delts flys 3x10
Overhead tri's 4x8-12
Superset:
Tricep pushdowns - 2x failure
Close grip bench 2x failure

PULL
Lat pulldowns 4x8-10
Pullover machine 2x8-10
Rows 3x8-10
Bicep curls - 3x10 + dropset 6,10,15

LEGS A
Leg press 4x 8-10
Hack squats 3x8-10 failure on last one
Sissy hacksquats 3x12 controlled
Quad extensions 3x10 + dropsets 10 and 15 reps
Lying ham curls - 3x10-12
Seated ham curls 3x8-10
Hip abduction - 2x 10
Addiction 2x 10

Push B
Same as A but flat press instead of incline first

PULL
As above but rotate machines or T bar or grips

Legs B - easier one
Hack squat 4x10
Quad extensions 3x 10-12
Seated ham curls 3x10-12
Abduction / addiction 2x 10-12

Today's weight - 72.5kg
Height - 168cm

you look good in the pics lean and full welcome fully to the EVO family and sorry I missed your log @theradbrad

These results are on 385 test and the slightly higher one is on 490 test

Both with 210EQ, thought was to raise test which I did 4 weeks ago so my E2 would sit a little higher and I feel better with higher E2.

Any ideas as to why the serum testosterone / free test didn't jump accordingly to the higher dose ?
View attachment 239544View attachment 239545
E2 149 on both - still waiting on results for LCMS E2 for latest test

The test levels is 1 thing but we need the e2 tests, do you have non lcms test?

 

[stevesmi]

Alright guys, Making the switch from Primo to EQ as I'm not tolerating the Primo well and thought I'd better switch sooner rather than later, So I'll have around 16-17 weeks to make use of the new cycle plan depending on bloods.

Updated compounds plan -
Split into 3x weekly
Test: 300mg weekly - pharma prescribed / R&D pharma (once my prescribed is gone)
EQ 300mg weekly - R&D pharma
Anavar: 30mg daily - Raptor labs
HGH: 2iu nightly - Own local supplier

Bloods will be taken:
Early May and early July (once EQ saturates and end of cycle)
So will adjust EQ / test ratio once I have bloods done which I'll post up for you guys to see
I've got test Prop on hand if E2 is low at any point for a quick fix

Let me know your thoughts on the ratio 200/300

PUSH A:
Incline press 4x6-10
Machine Flys 3x8-12
Lateral raises 3x12 - dropset 6,10,15 reps
Rear delts flys 3x10
Overhead tri's 4x8-12
Superset:
Tricep pushdowns - 2x failure
Close grip bench 2x failure

PULL
Lat pulldowns 4x8-10
Pullover machine 2x8-10
Rows 3x8-10
Bicep curls - 3x10 + dropset 6,10,15

LEGS A
Leg press 4x 8-10
Hack squats 3x8-10 failure on last one
Sissy hacksquats 3x12 controlled
Quad extensions 3x10 + dropsets 10 and 15 reps
Lying ham curls - 3x10-12
Seated ham curls 3x8-10
Hip abduction - 2x 10
Addiction 2x 10

Push B
Same as A but flat press instead of incline first

PULL
As above but rotate machines or T bar or grips

Legs B - easier one
Hack squat 4x10
Quad extensions 3x 10-12
Seated ham curls 3x10-12
Abduction / addiction 2x 10-12

Today's weight - 72.5kg
Height - 168cm

@theradbrad cool training splits. I really like the leg days, very similar to the workouts that I do.

 

[ceo]

Alright guys, Making the switch from Primo to EQ as I'm not tolerating the Primo well and thought I'd better switch sooner rather than later, So I'll have around 16-17 weeks to make use of the new cycle plan depending on bloods.

Updated compounds plan -
Split into 3x weekly
Test: 300mg weekly - pharma prescribed / R&D pharma (once my prescribed is gone)
EQ 300mg weekly - R&D pharma
Anavar: 30mg daily - Raptor labs
HGH: 2iu nightly - Own local supplier

Bloods will be taken:
Early May and early July (once EQ saturates and end of cycle)
So will adjust EQ / test ratio once I have bloods done which I'll post up for you guys to see
I've got test Prop on hand if E2 is low at any point for a quick fix

Let me know your thoughts on the ratio 200/300

PUSH A:
Incline press 4x6-10
Machine Flys 3x8-12
Lateral raises 3x12 - dropset 6,10,15 reps
Rear delts flys 3x10
Overhead tri's 4x8-12
Superset:
Tricep pushdowns - 2x failure
Close grip bench 2x failure

PULL
Lat pulldowns 4x8-10
Pullover machine 2x8-10
Rows 3x8-10
Bicep curls - 3x10 + dropset 6,10,15

LEGS A
Leg press 4x 8-10
Hack squats 3x8-10 failure on last one
Sissy hacksquats 3x12 controlled
Quad extensions 3x10 + dropsets 10 and 15 reps
Lying ham curls - 3x10-12
Seated ham curls 3x8-10
Hip abduction - 2x 10
Addiction 2x 10

Push B
Same as A but flat press instead of incline first

PULL
As above but rotate machines or T bar or grips

Legs B - easier one
Hack squat 4x10
Quad extensions 3x 10-12
Seated ham curls 3x10-12
Abduction / addiction 2x 10-12

Today's weight - 72.5kg
Height - 168cm

Bros, this looks like an epic log. I can't believe you're only 72 kg. You look much bigger but show all muscle. @theradbrad

 

[Ulter]

Alright guys, Making the switch from Primo to EQ as I'm not tolerating the Primo well and thought I'd better switch sooner rather than later, So I'll have around 16-17 weeks to make use of the new cycle plan depending on bloods.

Updated compounds plan -
Split into 3x weekly
Test: 300mg weekly - pharma prescribed / R&D pharma (once my prescribed is gone)
EQ 300mg weekly - R&D pharma
Anavar: 30mg daily - Raptor labs
HGH: 2iu nightly - Own local supplier

Bloods will be taken:
Early May and early July (once EQ saturates and end of cycle)
So will adjust EQ / test ratio once I have bloods done which I'll post up for you guys to see
I've got test Prop on hand if E2 is low at any point for a quick fix

Let me know your thoughts on the ratio 200/300

PUSH A:
Incline press 4x6-10
Machine Flys 3x8-12
Lateral raises 3x12 - dropset 6,10,15 reps
Rear delts flys 3x10
Overhead tri's 4x8-12
Superset:
Tricep pushdowns - 2x failure
Close grip bench 2x failure

PULL
Lat pulldowns 4x8-10
Pullover machine 2x8-10
Rows 3x8-10
Bicep curls - 3x10 + dropset 6,10,15

LEGS A
Leg press 4x 8-10
Hack squats 3x8-10 failure on last one
Sissy hacksquats 3x12 controlled
Quad extensions 3x10 + dropsets 10 and 15 reps
Lying ham curls - 3x10-12
Seated ham curls 3x8-10
Hip abduction - 2x 10
Addiction 2x 10

Push B
Same as A but flat press instead of incline first

PULL
As above but rotate machines or T bar or grips

Legs B - easier one
Hack squat 4x10
Quad extensions 3x 10-12
Seated ham curls 3x10-12
Abduction / addiction 2x 10-12

Today's weight - 72.5kg
Height - 168cm

This is an epic start to this log for sure. @theradbrad the leg training looks fantastic and I love the way you split the routines.

 

[theradbrad]

you look good in the pics lean and full welcome fully to the EVO family and sorry I missed your log @theradbrad

The test levels is 1 thing but we need the e2 tests, do you have non lcms test?

Thank you bro!

The non sensitive test is 150pmol for the 490 test dose / 210eq

And the prior one with the 385 test / 210 EQ is 149, so test and E2 levels are almost identical on both, not sure why the higher dosages of test yield no elevation in serum levels, thoughts were to drop EQ to 130 weekly or 170 ish and leave test as is..

Waiting on LCMS should arrive within the week so I'll post that up when it comes as well.

Any experience with what's happening?

 

[Mobster]

I'm not tolerating the Primo well

What's the issue?

 

[LevButlerov]

Thank you bro!

The non sensitive test is 150pmol for the 490 test dose / 210eq

And the prior one with the 385 test / 210 EQ is 149, so test and E2 levels are almost identical on both, not sure why the higher dosages of test yield no elevation in serum levels, thoughts were to drop EQ to 130 weekly or 170 ish and leave test as is..

Waiting on LCMS should arrive within the week so I'll post that up when it comes as well.

Any experience with what's happening?

you're right on 150 I think your lcms should be close Im waiting on it

 

[2Thick]

Alright guys, Making the switch from Primo to EQ as I'm not tolerating the Primo well and thought I'd better switch sooner rather than later, So I'll have around 16-17 weeks to make use of the new cycle plan depending on bloods.

Updated compounds plan -
Split into 3x weekly
Test: 300mg weekly - pharma prescribed / R&D pharma (once my prescribed is gone)
EQ 300mg weekly - R&D pharma
Anavar: 30mg daily - Raptor labs
HGH: 2iu nightly - Own local supplier

Bloods will be taken:
Early May and early July (once EQ saturates and end of cycle)
So will adjust EQ / test ratio once I have bloods done which I'll post up for you guys to see
I've got test Prop on hand if E2 is low at any point for a quick fix

Let me know your thoughts on the ratio 200/300

PUSH A:
Incline press 4x6-10
Machine Flys 3x8-12
Lateral raises 3x12 - dropset 6,10,15 reps
Rear delts flys 3x10
Overhead tri's 4x8-12
Superset:
Tricep pushdowns - 2x failure
Close grip bench 2x failure

PULL
Lat pulldowns 4x8-10
Pullover machine 2x8-10
Rows 3x8-10
Bicep curls - 3x10 + dropset 6,10,15

LEGS A
Leg press 4x 8-10
Hack squats 3x8-10 failure on last one
Sissy hacksquats 3x12 controlled
Quad extensions 3x10 + dropsets 10 and 15 reps
Lying ham curls - 3x10-12
Seated ham curls 3x8-10
Hip abduction - 2x 10
Addiction 2x 10

Push B
Same as A but flat press instead of incline first

PULL
As above but rotate machines or T bar or grips

Legs B - easier one
Hack squat 4x10
Quad extensions 3x 10-12
Seated ham curls 3x10-12
Abduction / addiction 2x 10-12

Today's weight - 72.5kg
Height - 168cm

@theradbrad pulling and leg training is fantastic. You'll get great results hitting both sides of your legs.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Alright guys, Making the switch from Primo to EQ as I'm not tolerating the Primo well and thought I'd better switch sooner rather than later, So I'll have around 16-17 weeks to make use of the new cycle plan depending on bloods.

Updated compounds plan -
Split into 3x weekly
Test: 300mg weekly - pharma prescribed / R&D pharma (once my prescribed is gone)
EQ 300mg weekly - R&D pharma
Anavar: 30mg daily - Raptor labs
HGH: 2iu nightly - Own local supplier

Bloods will be taken:
Early May and early July (once EQ saturates and end of cycle)
So will adjust EQ / test ratio once I have bloods done which I'll post up for you guys to see
I've got test Prop on hand if E2 is low at any point for a quick fix

Let me know your thoughts on the ratio 200/300

PUSH A:
Incline press 4x6-10
Machine Flys 3x8-12
Lateral raises 3x12 - dropset 6,10,15 reps
Rear delts flys 3x10
Overhead tri's 4x8-12
Superset:
Tricep pushdowns - 2x failure
Close grip bench 2x failure

PULL
Lat pulldowns 4x8-10
Pullover machine 2x8-10
Rows 3x8-10
Bicep curls - 3x10 + dropset 6,10,15

LEGS A
Leg press 4x 8-10
Hack squats 3x8-10 failure on last one
Sissy hacksquats 3x12 controlled
Quad extensions 3x10 + dropsets 10 and 15 reps
Lying ham curls - 3x10-12
Seated ham curls 3x8-10
Hip abduction - 2x 10
Addiction 2x 10

Push B
Same as A but flat press instead of incline first

PULL
As above but rotate machines or T bar or grips

Legs B - easier one
Hack squat 4x10
Quad extensions 3x 10-12
Seated ham curls 3x10-12
Abduction / addiction 2x 10-12

Today's weight - 72.5kg
Height - 168cm

Awesome job on this. I like how you lay out your split routine, and the pictures look great. You have a great base to work with to start this log. It's going to be fun. @theradbrad

 

[theradbrad]

Sensitive E2 result is in

Still puzzled about the 105mg test increase not increasing total T or free T though

I'm dropping EQ for a week then bringing it back at 126mg weekly instead of 210mg weekly for higher E2, I've been having low E2 symptoms despite being in range, low libido, flat, achey joints etc.