Approved Log Enhanced Diet Training Log

[Cuzzoamiri]

-My goal is to "lose fat & gain muscle" whilst living a balanced and healthy lifestyle-

I am 5ft 9 and allegedly 20 years old, my current weight as of writing this is 106kg or 233 pounds and I've attached pics of current physique. I just got back into training after not for a few months.
I don't have a goal weight in mind rather a body recomposition, I'm not bothered about weight gain so long as fat percentage is on the lower end.
My maintenance calories are roughly 3000 so I intend to begin with 2700 to encourage more fat loss.

I'm hoping to do a weekly check in and update but if anyone believes there is a better way then feel free to let me know.
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My training plan will be as follows (I am open to feedback and alterations) ...

I will train Monday, Wednesday & Friday and alternate Saturday, Sunday as it fits.

Monday - Chest & Triceps

Wednesday - Back & Biceps

Friday - Legs & Shoulders

Saturday/Sunday - Lacking aspects

I am going to loosely follow Dereck Lunsford's training, but I will track the exercises I do and include them in the next or another update.
On average I train for a little over an hour without a program and contrary to the norm I prefer to focus on form and contractions, having complete control over each rep up until the last. I train each set until failure with roughly 3-5 sets in total.

In terms of cardio, I ride frequently, my job is quite intensive, and I will make use of a walking pad minimum 20 minutes on training days.

All of this is very loose to begin with but I'm definitely open to taking feedback and including or changing things.
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In regard to food, for at least 4 weeks I will eat a total of 2700 calories, with macros around.

200g of carbs
270g of protein
90g of fat

Mainly consisting of chicken, steak, rice, sweet potato and eggs as well as frozen fruits and Greek or raw yoghurt/kefir
This may seem to some very loose or simple but in order for me to really apply myself I prefer simple and boring. There is less room for error and ensures I stick to the diet plan as close as possible. I don't entirely care about variation or enjoyment of eating, in this case that's not the point.

As I make meals and track them, I will include macros and food in each update and any pics if it looks okay.
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"Enhancements"

Allegedly I just started 250mg test E per week and intend for it to remain that way for the next 10 weeks. In theory it should be totally saturated around next week in line with officially commencing this log as I'm currently sick as. I am open to adding compounds although I want to get to a maintainable physique. This is not my first "cycle" however I don't want to go overboard in anyway.
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Lifestyle

Iam a student and work part time hence the balance & lifestyle aspect of this log. I previously had committed to competing in open classes but lost a lot of love for it after a bad experience. I've moved on for now, but I want to look competitive and impressive whilst staying healthy and enjoying life.
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current physique

for reference around 95kg on 250mg test E per week

 

[Pigsy]

Will be following this Log

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

-My goal is to "lose fat & gain muscle" whilst living a balanced and healthy lifestyle-

I am 5ft 9 and allegedly 20 years old, my current weight as of writing this is 106kg or 233 pounds and I've attached pics of current physique. I just got back into training after not for a few months.
I don't have a goal weight in mind rather a body recomposition, I'm not bothered about weight gain so long as fat percentage is on the lower end.
My maintenance calories are roughly 3000 so I intend to begin with 2700 to encourage more fat loss.

I'm hoping to do a weekly check in and update but if anyone believes there is a better way then feel free to let me know.
=============================================================================================
My training plan will be as follows (I am open to feedback and alterations) ...

I will train Monday, Wednesday & Friday and alternate Saturday, Sunday as it fits.

Monday - Chest & Triceps

Wednesday - Back & Biceps

Friday - Legs & Shoulders

Saturday/Sunday - Lacking aspects

I am going to loosely follow Dereck Lunsford's training, but I will track the exercises I do and include them in the next or another update.
On average I train for a little over an hour without a program and contrary to the norm I prefer to focus on form and contractions, having complete control over each rep up until the last. I train each set until failure with roughly 3-5 sets in total.

In terms of cardio, I ride frequently, my job is quite intensive, and I will make use of a walking pad minimum 20 minutes on training days.

All of this is very loose to begin with but I'm definitely open to taking feedback and including or changing things.
=============================================================================================
In regard to food, for at least 4 weeks I will eat a total of 2700 calories, with macros around.

200g of carbs
270g of protein
90g of fat

Mainly consisting of chicken, steak, rice, sweet potato and eggs as well as frozen fruits and Greek or raw yoghurt/kefir
This may seem to some very loose or simple but in order for me to really apply myself I prefer simple and boring. There is less room for error and ensures I stick to the diet plan as close as possible. I don't entirely care about variation or enjoyment of eating, in this case that's not the point.

As I make meals and track them, I will include macros and food in each update and any pics if it looks okay.
=============================================================================================
"Enhancements"

Allegedly I just started 250mg test E per week and intend for it to remain that way for the next 10 weeks. In theory it should be totally saturated around next week in line with officially commencing this log as I'm currently sick as. I am open to adding compounds although I want to get to a maintainable physique. This is not my first "cycle" however I don't want to go overboard in anyway.
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Lifestyle

Iam a student and work part time hence the balance & lifestyle aspect of this log. I previously had committed to competing in open classes but lost a lot of love for it after a bad experience. I've moved on for now, but I want to look competitive and impressive whilst staying healthy and enjoying life.
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current physique

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for reference around 95kg on 250mg test E per week


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@Cuzzoamiri you look great but i do see some gyno there
we need to add tamoxifen to this mix asap

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

@Cuzzoamiri you look great but i do see some gyno there
we need to add tamoxifen to this mix asap

Can definitely add it, I find that it only swells when my diet is out of whack and if I push past 300 test at the moment, but I will grab some to have incase

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

@Cuzzoamiri i'm really apprehensive about you being 20 years old here honestly, 21 is better and obviously you're adult at 18 but hmm not sure
you're already on gear so nothing can be done so I want other mods/vips to comment

what do you think guys?
@Mobster @stevesmi @Noah Wixx @LevButlerov @RoidRage69 @Pigsy @s.gentz @coolguy77711 @BodyMonster34 @ceo @Eddie Haskell @~Vision~ @Seventieschild @average918 @Boxcutter @PrinceDaddy @RoidRageWife @BrightFuture @25homes @Austin316 @Abolone @Cronus402

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Can definitely add it, I find that it only swells when my diet is out of whack and if I push past 300 test at the moment, but I will grab some to have incase

you have bloodwork?

 

[Noah Wixx]

At this point I don't think we can stop what people are gonna chose to do in life, best thing we can do is try and teach/guide them imo.

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

you have bloodwork?

I’ll post bloodwork, it’s from 2 weeks ago prior to getting on anything. I assume because a lot of guys are from US that the idea of 18 and 21 are different?

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

Most recent natty Bloodwork

 

[Noah Wixx]

I’ll post bloodwork, it’s from 2 weeks ago prior to getting on anything. I assume because a lot of guys are from US that the idea of 18 and 21 are different?

It's just a steep learning curve and you are doing things to your body at a young age before being fully developed that u can't reverse and we aren't sure if u understand what you are actually doing is some of the concerns here.

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

It's just a steep learning curve and you are doing things to your body at a young age before being fully developed that u can't reverse and we aren't sure if u understand what you are actually doing is some of the concerns here.

Yeah I understand, I can’t turn around and say I know everything or even say a little. But I definitely consider myself mature enough to understand the risks and know my limits. I’m not pushing hard and i do understand my body quite well and how it responds

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

you have bloodwork?

Most recent natty Bloodwork
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[Npcclassicphysique champ]

I’ll post bloodwork, it’s from 2 weeks ago prior to getting on anything. I assume because a lot of guys are from US that the idea of 18 and 21 are different?

your bloods show liver issues with alt/ast , were you using prohormones or sarms before? @Cuzzoamiri

on the 18 vs 21 issue, its a USA thing for sure, in a sense I understand you're an adult past 18 and we all do, but many will think you're not mature enough for gear, but we not your mom right lol and you're already on gear so its a hard choice, our TOS says 21 but you're in the game already, I rather support you than have you go on your own with no support. Hard choice for us mods.

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

your bloods show liver issues with alt/ast , were you using prohormones or sarms before? @Cuzzoamiri

on the 18 vs 21 issue, its a USA thing for sure, in a sense I understand you're an adult past 18 and we all do, but many will think you're not mature enough for gear, but we not your mom right lol and you're already on gear so its a hard choice, our TOS says 21 but you're in the game already, I rather support you than have you go on your own with no support. Hard choice for us mods.

If it eases the mind I turn 21 in October but yeah I didn’t know TOS says 21.

I was on dbol a few months ago and it shot my liver right up, but that number is half what it was from then

 

[s.gentz]

@Cuzzoamiri i'm really apprehensive about you being 20 years old here honestly, 21 is better and obviously you're adult at 18 but hmm not sure
you're already on gear so nothing can be done so I want other mods/vips to comment

what do you think guys?
@Mobster @stevesmi @Noah Wixx @LevButlerov @RoidRage69 @Pigsy @s.gentz @coolguy77711 @BodyMonster34 @ceo @Eddie Haskell @~Vision~ @Seventieschild @average918 @Boxcutter @PrinceDaddy @RoidRageWife @BrightFuture @25homes @Austin316 @Abolone @Cronus402

As I said in his other post. For me it’s no problem for him to log his training/diet/lifestyle and ask for advice/guidance in those areas but his log should contain no gear talk or advice. He was honest with his age and is not like the other posters we get on here that ask advice or ask about a ridiculous cycle and don’t even have the courtesy to respond to questions. I’m for letting his log remain with no gear talk. Mods should prob delete the paragraph in the original post about drugs.

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

As I said in his other post. For me it’s no problem for him to log his training/diet/lifestyle and ask for advice/guidance in those areas but his log should contain no gear talk or advice. He was honest with his age and is not like the other posters we get on here that ask advice or ask about a ridiculous cycle and don’t even have the courtesy to respond to questions. I’m for letting his log remain with no gear talk. Mods should prob delete the paragraph in the original post about drugs.

I appreciate that, we can dance around it

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

As I said in his other post. For me it’s no problem for him to log his training/diet/lifestyle and ask for advice/guidance in those areas but his log should contain no gear talk or advice. He was honest with his age and is not like the other posters we get on here that ask advice or ask about a ridiculous cycle and don’t even have the courtesy to respond to questions. I’m for letting his log remain with no gear talk. Mods should prob delete the paragraph in the original post about drugs.

For context I also started when I was 18 so I’m past the immature rubbish and im able to differentiate between right and wrong practices lol

 

[stevesmi]

I mean you could have easily said you were 30 years old I don't think anyone would have known the difference
I just want you to be aware of the risks of permanent problems and take responsibility for those if they do and when they do occur later on in life

 

[Pigsy]

It's his decision on his use, best we can do is guide him to do it as healthy as possible. If we agree or not.

 

[s.gentz]

For context I also started when I was 18 so I’m past the immature rubbish and im able to differentiate between right and wrong practices lol

Like I said, you seem like an honest guy who just wants to learn from like minded people. That’s why we are here. On that note though we cannot give drug advice to people under 21.

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

Like I said, you seem like an honest guy who just wants to learn from like minded people. That’s why we are here. On that note though we cannot give drug advice to people under 21.

Thats all good, we’ll dance around it. I’ll post a more in-depth “training & diet” plan early next week because I’m sick at the moment

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

I mean you could have easily said you were 30 years old I don't think anyone would have known the difference
I just want you to be aware of the risks of permanent problems and take responsibility for those if they do and when they do occur later on in life

Yeah I understand and I’m doing my best to remain cognisant of those risks and making sure I don’t put myself at anymore of an increased risk.

Lying about my age never even crossed my mind to be honest

 

[Noah Wixx]

We will need you to be fully transparent with us so we can actually guide you, this is nothing to fool around with, definitely risks and consequences with our ped use, we need everything so we can guide u correctly.

One tip I will toss out already and a mistake on your end which happens when young and new to the game.

If you just got done with dbol and your lover numbers are still out of range then your body is under stress and not properly healed yet, you shouldn't have started any new cycles till your numbers are all well within range, it will do more harm than good in the long run.

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

We will need you to be fully transparent with us so we can actually guide you, this is nothing to fool around with, definitely risks and consequences with our ped use, we need everything so we can guide u correctly.

One tip I will toss out already and a mistake on your end which happens when young and new to the game.

If you just got done with dbol and your lover numbers are still out of range then your body is under stress and not properly healed yet, you shouldn't have started any new cycles till your numbers are all well within range, it will do more harm than good in the long run.

Yeah that’s a good point, I figured the liver is quite resilient and I won’t be taking anymore orals so if I maintain liver support sups and do a cleanse every so often it will be okay. I don’t drink or smoke so the liver was the least of my worries

 

[Noah Wixx]

Yeah that’s a good point, I figured the liver is quite resilient and I won’t be taking anymore orals so if I maintain liver support sups and do a cleanse every so often it will be okay. I don’t drink or smoke so the liver was the least of my worries

Injectable compounds still impact the liver and cause stress, majority of organs will be put under a stressful load when utilizing gear, some compounds much more extreme than others. Just for reference you still see some strain with Injectables long term, nor nearly as much as with oral compounds though, definitely keeping the heart, liver and kidneys operating at an optimal level is ideal, time on is also time off, like for example if I do a 12-14 week cycle I'm take atleast 20-22 weeks off of everything after that cycle, esters take time to clear the body, so if u take to little time off your body never truly cleared the esters out and now your back at square one putting stress on the body that you wouldn't if u take proper time off, that Is another useful tip I can give u.

 

[Noah Wixx]

Yeah that’s a good point, I figured the liver is quite resilient and I won’t be taking anymore orals so if I maintain liver support sups and do a cleanse every so often it will be okay. I don’t drink or smoke so the liver was the least of my worries

When utilizing an oral your liver should be your number one priority always no other way around it, we need to see u get on N2guard it's the best organ protection money can buy, I run it regardless for optimal health cycle or no cycle. The mindset has to flip and u have to dial in fully, if u run anything u need precautions put into place. Gear isn't good if your body is super toxic and unhealthy on the inside.

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

Injectable compounds still impact the liver and cause stress, majority of organs will be put under a stressful load when utilizing gear, some compounds much more extreme than others. Just for reference you still see some strain with Injectables long term, nor nearly as much as with oral compounds though, definitely keeping the heart, liver and kidneys operating at an optimal level is ideal, time on is also time off, like for example if I do a 12-14 week cycle I'm take atleast 20-22 weeks off of everything after that cycle, esters take time to clear the body, so if u take to little time off your body never truly cleared the esters out and now your back at square one putting stress on the body that you wouldn't if u take proper time off, that Is another useful tip I can give u.

Yeah I appreciate that, I assume u trt or u come completely off?. I was off for maybe 6 months since the dbol, some other factors could’ve been surrounding ast and alt but my test levels were in my opinion still too low. How does everyone feel post cycle if they pct and come completely off

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

@Cuzzoamiri lets start and seeing your training diet updates more often I'd like to see the direction

 

[Noah Wixx]

Yeah I appreciate that, I assume u trt or u come completely off?. I was off for maybe 6 months since the dbol, some other factors could’ve been surrounding ast and alt but my test levels were in my opinion still too low. How does everyone feel post cycle if they pct and come completely off

Well at your age especially I highly recommend a full pct and plenty time off so your hpta doesn't get cooked and you can still bring your natural testicle function back online and produce testosterone on your own without the use of peds.

I've been on trt for years now, so I haven't come off fully I always drop back into my trt dose, prospective is everything, I heard some information that changed my mindset completely, after I finish this current test and primo cycle I'm gonna fully come off and not even do trt so I can let my body take a much needed break and let recovery happen.

I might run a small bridge before my next cycle as my next one Is alot of compounds be it low dose still it's gonna take it toll on my body and stress it out alot.

Just depends on what my coach has in his plan for what he thinks is most optimal for my health and what he has me training for ( men's physique class)

In the end it is really up to you, imo at your age I'd come completely off and make a full recovery, no test no nothing.

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

@Cuzzoamiri lets start and seeing your training diet updates more often I'd like to see the direction

I’m sick as at the moment, as soon as I get back to training, I will post an update of the specific training plan and specifics around diet

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

Well at your age especially I highly recommend a full pct and plenty time off so your hpta doesn't get cooked and you can still bring your natural testicle function back online and produce testosterone on your own without the use of peds.

I've been on trt for years now, so I haven't come off fully I always drop back into my trt dose, prospective is everything, I heard some information that changed my mindset completely, after I finish this current test and primo cycle I'm gonna fully come off and not even do trt so I can let my body take a much needed break and let recovery happen.

I might run a small bridge before my next cycle as my next one Is alot of compounds be it low dose still it's gonna take it toll on my body and stress it out alot.

Just depends on what my coach has in his plan for what he thinks is most optimal for my health and what he has me training for ( men's physique class)

In the end it is really up to you, imo at your age I'd come completely off and make a full recovery, no test no nothing.

That makes sense and I appreciate the response. I enjoy understanding other people’s protocols and the reasons for their actions. I also like seeing others goals, to put in perspective for myself also.

 

[Noah Wixx]

That makes sense and I appreciate the response. I enjoy understanding other people’s protocols and the reasons for their actions. I also like seeing others goals, to put in perspective for myself also.

No problem at all, always happy to help and teach with the things I do understand and have experience in, many guys in our community have way more experience than I do, and can help way more than u can lol, I just do my part to pitch in when I can. I was once like u just starting out and if it wasn't for the guys in this community and the Evolutionary.org Podcast I wouldn't know nearly the amount I do now and from my own cycles and my excellent coach. You will learn as you go brother and will put it all together one day like clock work.

I'm a test and primo guy which is what my current cycle is right now, my next one will be a big jump for me it's 5 compounds

 

[Coolguy]

I agree we should be able to help him out he's almost 21 but also said he's been using for a while so at least it's not someone young coming in free looking to start.
I'm on board for this log welcome @Cuzzoamiri

 

[RoidRage69]

TOS can always be changed to 20 can't it?

 

[Cronus402]

@Cuzzoamiri i'm really apprehensive about you being 20 years old here honestly, 21 is better and obviously you're adult at 18 but hmm not sure
you're already on gear so nothing can be done so I want other mods/vips to comment

what do you think guys?
@Mobster @stevesmi @Noah Wixx @LevButlerov @RoidRage69 @Pigsy @s.gentz @coolguy77711 @BodyMonster34 @ceo @Eddie Haskell @~Vision~ @Seventieschild @average918 @Boxcutter @PrinceDaddy @RoidRageWife @BrightFuture @25homes @Austin316 @Abolone @Cronus402

My son is 23 and he’s been lifting. I would not want him on gear at such a young age. These kids have so much potential. Just stay consistent. I got in and out for a few years at a time. Seemed like life happened and I’d stop lifting. I hope to be in it for the rest of my life now. But if a guy would just commit while he’s young, there would be no need for gear for many years.

 

[rodannis789]

Will be following your threads as we are around the same age

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

Will be following your threads as we are around the same age

Sounds good bro

 

[Cronus402]

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Yeah that’s a good point, I figured the liver is quite resilient and I won’t be taking anymore orals so if I maintain liver support sups and do a cleanse every so often it will be okay. I don’t drink or smoke so the liver was the least of my worries

Glad to see that you don’t drink. Your liver will be miles ahead of where mine was at your age.

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

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Glad to see that you don’t drink. Your liver will be miles ahead of where mine was at your age.

I hope that’s what I have on my side, I don’t partake in many of the normal early 20s activities and I hope I appear to have my head screwed on even though I’m in the forums right now lol

 

[BrightFuture]

@Cuzzoamiri i'm really apprehensive about you being 20 years old here honestly, 21 is better and obviously you're adult at 18 but hmm not sure
you're already on gear so nothing can be done so I want other mods/vips to comment

what do you think guys?
@Mobster @stevesmi @Noah Wixx @LevButlerov @RoidRage69 @Pigsy @s.gentz @coolguy77711 @BodyMonster34 @ceo @Eddie Haskell @~Vision~ @Seventieschild @average918 @Boxcutter @PrinceDaddy @RoidRageWife @BrightFuture @25homes @Austin316 @Abolone @Cronus402

Well I know I wouldn’t want my son starting this at such a young age. Either way, I think the best thing to do with this is to atleast be safe and utilize the wealth of knowledge and experience found on this forum. Granted I am not a wealth of knowledge or experience yet ! I am certainly getting there though!

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Well I know I wouldn’t want my son starting this at such a young age. Either way, I think the best thing to do with this is to atleast be safe and utilize the wealth of knowledge and experience found on this forum. Granted I am not a wealth of knowledge or experience yet ! I am certainly getting there though!

@BrightFuture I also think like you, if he's going to do it, the whole EVO family should help, not like he's a child. I hope the admins agree with this long term, @gearhead check please if I'm ok.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

I’m sick as at the moment, as soon as I get back to training, I will post an update of the specific training plan and specifics around diet

@Cuzzoamiri you taking vitamins extra for the sickness?
start adding olive leaf extract elderberry vitamin C high dose double dose it and multi vitamins double dose with vitamin D

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

@Cuzzoamiri you taking vitamins extra for the sickness?
start adding olive leaf extract elderberry vitamin C high dose double dose it and multi vitamins double dose with vitamin D

Yeah I’ve been smashing the vitamin Cs and other supps, usually never get sick but should be gone soon

 

[Coolguy]

Yeah I’ve been smashing the vitamin Cs and other supps, usually never get sick but should be gone soon

What's supps you taking?

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

What's supps you taking?

Taking a lot of zinc and quercetin, high dose of vitamin c, fish oils, milk thistle, liver cleanse and I try to eat raw yoghurt or kefir for the probiotics and bacteria’s. Keratin as well and I want to get some collagen. I also drink apple cider vinegar and mct oil. And Going to get some iodine for thyroid

 

[Coolguy]

Taking a lot of zinc and quercetin, high dose of vitamin c, fish oils, milk thistle, liver cleanse and I try to eat raw yoghurt or kefir for the probiotics and bacteria’s. Keratin as well and I want to get some collagen. I also drink apple cider vinegar and mct oil. And Going to get some iodine for thyroid

Awesome work brother grab some nac as well it's good stuff. You taking anything for blood pressure etc? Telmisartin cilais etc?

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

Awesome work brother grab some nac as well it's good stuff. You taking anything for blood pressure etc? Telmisartin cilais etc?

Nah I haven’t had many problems with my blood pressure to be honest, I will look at getting a monitor but I’m not as worried considering the protocol and I don’t intend to push my weight much higher. But if others believe monitoring it and taking supps for it is necessary then I’m obviously not opposed to some cialis obviously

 

[Coolguy]

Nah I haven’t had many problems with my blood pressure to be honest, I will look at getting a monitor but I’m not as worried considering the protocol and I don’t intend to push my weight much higher. But if others believe monitoring it and taking supps for it is necessary then I’m obviously not opposed to some cialis obviously

Yeah mines normally good as well but good to have on hand. Telmisartin is pretty easy to get prescribed as well.
I have a monitor as well monitor it a few times a week and take 40mg Telmisartin everyday.

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

Yeah mines normally good as well but good to have on hand. Telmisartin is pretty easy to get prescribed as well.
I have a monitor as well monitor it a few times a week and take 40mg Telmisartin everyday.

Yeah sounds good, I’ve made a list of things everyones recommended so I’ll work on getting that ticked off also

 

[Mobster]

1) Too young for PEDs
2) You're not Derek. Train according to YOUR needs.

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

1) Too young for PEDs
2) You're not Derek. Train according to YOUR needs.

Whose Derek?

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

1) Too young for PEDs
2) You're not Derek. Train according to YOUR needs.

Ohhh Lunsford, right,
I like his back workout?, he’s Mr Olympia and his coach, coaches two other multi time Olympia champions, so not to suck his dick but I think he’s doing something right no?

 

[Mobster]

It's his decision on his use, best we can do is guide him to do it as healthy as possible. If we agree or not.

No. It is not.

@Cuzzoamiri i'm really apprehensive about you being 20 years old here honestly, 21 is better and obviously you're adult at 18 but hmm not sure
you're already on gear so nothing can be done so I want other mods/vips to comment

what do you think guys?
@Mobster @stevesmi @Noah Wixx @LevButlerov @RoidRage69 @Pigsy @s.gentz @coolguy77711 @BodyMonster34 @ceo @Eddie Haskell @~Vision~ @Seventieschild @average918 @Boxcutter @PrinceDaddy @RoidRageWife @BrightFuture @25homes @Austin316 @Abolone @Cronus402

I agree with Pigsy's reply in principle only.

My issue is thus (and as has always been the case) this is NEVER just what a younger member wants. It what those reading who have yet to decide what to do and seeing what amounts to approval being given to a 21 year old.

We have discussed this topic a bunch of times:
1) Most 21 year olds have NOT maxed out their gains. Heck most members.
2) The law allows for a lot (18 and 21 and what they can do etc) vs your body. It doesn't.
3) Most 21 year olds are NOT mature enough mentally
4) What about their ability to have kids? How many times do we need to see those that fret over decisions made using PEDs and being infertile before we start to give out better advice?

I can carry on but the point is made.

What ONE member posts is read and can influence 100's sometimes. And I'd prefer all those other youngsters to see us NOT be ok with advising 21 year olds to go on PEDs

 

[Mobster]

Whose Derek?

The MrO you said you was gonna copy the training off as in ''Dereck Lunsford's training''. Did you forget?

 

[Mobster]

Ohhh Lunsford, right,
I like his back workout?, he’s Mr Olympia and his coach, coaches two other multi time Olympia champions, so not to suck his dick but I think he’s doing something right no?

For HIM. Are you Derek? No. Train according to your needs not his.

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

No. It is not.

I agree with Pigsy's reply in principle only.

My issue is thus (and as has always been the case) this is NEVER just what a younger member wants. It what those reading who have yet to decide what to do and seeing what amounts to approval being given to a 21 year old.

We have discussed this topic a bunch of times:
1) Most 21 year olds have NOT maxed out their gains. Heck most members.
2) The law allows for a lot (18 and 21 and what they can do etc) vs your body. It doesn't.
3) Most 21 year olds are NOT mature enough mentally
4) What about their ability to have kids? How many times do we need to see those that fret over decisions made using PEDs and being infertile before we start to give out better advice?

I can carry on but the point is made.

What ONE member posts is read and can influence 100's sometimes. And I'd prefer all those other youngsters to see us NOT be ok with advising 21 year olds to go on PEDs

You make a very valid point which hasn’t been said yet and it’s understandable. Although I think forums and so on are extremely outdated and the glorification on social media has more of an impact, but none the less any glorification is unnecessary.

 

[Quadsweep]

you cannot train like a professional bodybuilder
it just doesn't work like that

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro i found out son was doing steroids and rec drugs when he was your age
i beat him with the belt when he walked into the trailer.

 

[JasonPriest]

are you aware of the damage to your HPTA?
that is the real risk here

 

[Wootoom]

I think it's a waste of money
at your age you should be putting your money into either a business that you're creating or your education but that's my opinion

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

the thing you have to realize is you can still body build without using steroids
this idea that you must be on steroids to lift is bulshit

 

[2Thick]

I lifted for at least 10 years before touching steroids
You're Just Too Young if you ask me

 

[e2]

what happens later in life if your wife wants to have a kid and you can't
guess what she will do she will leave your ass trust me it happened plenty of times

 

[StevenDarwinMD]

APPROVED LOG

 

[ceo]

Bros nobody on here your daddy
we not gonna tell you what you can and can't do just be smart

 

[ROIDDERS]

if you're gonna go through with it then you need to take a long time between Cycles
that's the only way you'll conserve your reproductive system somewhat

 

[chesty]

there is a good chance you blow out everything using steroids at your age
when you're 25 or 30 you won't be able to even get it up

 

[Ulter]

you need to list out the short and long-term risks of steroid use at your age
if you're still looking to do them then that's a decision you have to live with

 

[Boxcutter]

I’m staying away from this one. I don’t think you should be on gear till your at least 25.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I'll be following along but will leave the gear talk alone.

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

Everyone’s points are very valid and I’m well aware of the risks. I don’t take any offence and most of the things being said are correct. Although if I was 21, or had lied about my age and said I was 30. Would the response be different? quite possibly and it just means the way I look and have looked, I could pass as being a 30 year old man. In no way am I justifying any actions or protocols it’s merely an observation. Correct I can do what I want and I posted here for thoughts and opinions and that’s what I got.

But I’m not going to be disingenuous to myself or lie about anything, I’m not scared of the backlash.

 

[Cronus402]

I hope that’s what I have on my side, I don’t partake in many of the normal early 20s activities and I hope I appear to have my head screwed on even though I’m in the forums right now lol

Imagine doing this without the experience and knowledge of the forum members. I thought about it for years. Did research off and on then finally decided to run some. One of the kids at the gym was getting shit from a local ugl. Some face tattoo dude was making it in his house. I thought that was the best chance I had at a source and scored a bottle of overpriced and under dosed test. Then I got serious and found the forum and the podcast. Paid for a consultation with Steve. Got my sources down and the tried and true brands. This is where people come who don’t want to fuck themselves up. Run the logs. Do the work. Participate and be a part of the community. I’d say you are ahead of the average 20 year old who runs gear to play football or whatever. Also, you are looking stacked dude! Keep up the hard work!

 

[LevButlerov]

Everyone’s points are very valid and I’m well aware of the risks. I don’t take any offence and most of the things being said are correct. Although if I was 21, or had lied about my age and said I was 30. Would the response be different? quite possibly and it just means the way I look and have looked, I could pass as being a 30 year old man. In no way am I justifying any actions or protocols it’s merely an observation. Correct I can do what I want and I posted here for thoughts and opinions and that’s what I got.

But I’m not going to be disingenuous to myself or lie about anything, I’m not scared of the backlash.

@Cuzzoamiri I respect that you were honest. I support your log.

lets get more training diet updates and show the EVO brothers who are against you that you can do this the right way

 

[ballin2504]

Looking good brother man

 

[~Vision~]

It's just a steep learning curve and you are doing things to your body at a young age before being fully developed that u can't reverse and we aren't sure if u understand what you are actually doing is some of the concerns here.

This right here.

There is a very complex interplay with the chemical messengers, with hormonal secretions, and entirely with the static system of the endocrine. With the cellular chit chat between certain cellular groups, and the initiation with specific enzymes, whether they are sleeper cells or certain enzymes that are activated, some enzymes may be deactivated while at the same time other enzymes that normally are not present are now hyperactive, there is a slew of bad transcriptions that can come into play when using exogenous hormones at such a young age.

The risk versus reward is simply not there or worth taking.

Sometime in the future, if the community would allow it, I would love to elaborate from my own personal experience, and early on use of peds at such a young age, and I'll emphasize on the dangers and the detrimental side effects that I've experienced that have been with me, and plagued firstly for my entire adult life.

I have been an adult longer than I have been a young man or a child, would that being said I have been living more of my life as an adult with the consequences as a result of using these drugs at such a young age.
Even if someone used very little dosages and slowly titrated with slight increments increasing over time, that is not going to put them in some sort of safe zone.

 

[25homes]

Nice work

 

[25homes]

Diet diet

 

[RoySimpson]

Looking good bro!

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

The rough diet moving forwards

4 meals / day

1st - 200g chicken thigh fillet, 120g white rice
carbs 95g
protein - 57g
fat 16g

2nd - 250g chicken breast, 120g white rice & half avacado
carbs 89g
protein 65g
fat 4g

3rd - 500g diced beef, 125g sweet ptoato fries
carbs 42g
protein 116g
28g fat

4th - 375g probiotic yoghurt, 150g frozen blueberries, 130g frozen banana, raw honey

total calories & macros
2800 - 3000 calories
290g carbs
255g protein
64g fat

Also have tuna and protein shake to add or remove

admittedly it is alot of food and also more carbs than id like but i am aiming for a recomp rather than cut

I will hit 10,000 steps a day quite easily and more
I am also going to swim laps twice a week very soon when pool re-opens

in terms of training i havent officially decided on a plan but i will update once i do

 

[Coolguy]

The rough diet moving forwards

4 meals / day

1st - 200g chicken thigh fillet, 120g white rice
carbs 95g
protein - 57g
fat 16g

2nd - 250g chicken breast, 120g white rice & half avacado
carbs 89g
protein 65g
fat 4g

3rd - 500g diced beef, 125g sweet ptoato fries
carbs 42g
protein 116g
28g fat

4th - 375g probiotic yoghurt, 150g frozen blueberries, 130g frozen banana, raw honey

total calories & macros
2800 - 3000 calories
290g carbs
255g protein
64g fat

Also have tuna and protein shake to add or remove

admittedly it is alot of food and also more carbs than id like but i am aiming for a recomp rather than cut

I will hit 10,000 steps a day quite easily and more
I am also going to swim laps twice a week very soon when pool re-opens

in terms of training i havent officially decided on a plan but i will update once i do

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Good work brother

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

Good work brother

I appreciate it bro

 

[LevButlerov]

The rough diet moving forwards

4 meals / day

1st - 200g chicken thigh fillet, 120g white rice
carbs 95g
protein - 57g
fat 16g

2nd - 250g chicken breast, 120g white rice & half avacado
carbs 89g
protein 65g
fat 4g

3rd - 500g diced beef, 125g sweet ptoato fries
carbs 42g
protein 116g
28g fat

4th - 375g probiotic yoghurt, 150g frozen blueberries, 130g frozen banana, raw honey

total calories & macros
2800 - 3000 calories
290g carbs
255g protein
64g fat

Also have tuna and protein shake to add or remove

admittedly it is alot of food and also more carbs than id like but i am aiming for a recomp rather than cut

I will hit 10,000 steps a day quite easily and more
I am also going to swim laps twice a week very soon when pool re-opens

in terms of training i havent officially decided on a plan but i will update once i do

View attachment 48227

@Cuzzoamiri would like to see your fats for up for sure
add some fats at least some walnuts and avocados to get fats to 100 bro

 

[Cuzzoamiri]

@Cuzzoamiri would like to see your fats for up for sure
add some fats at least some walnuts and avocados to get fats to 100 bro

Can do bro