First Cycle

[SwampBoy2002]

Hello everyone, hope all is well. I'm looking to start my first cycle within the upcoming weeks. Was just looking for general advice and feedback from veterans who have ran this cycle and have feedback they would like to provide.

I'm 23 years of age, training for around 5 years. I currently run a ppl cycle which I am I love with and have dialled training and diet.

For my first cycle, I plan to take 250 mg Test E for 10 weeks. Potentially stacking with MK677 from Umbrella Labs.

The supps I plan to take are NAC, Milk Thistle, Magnesium, Zinc, Ltyrosine, Fish Oil, Multi Vitamins, ashwagandha, Berberine, CoQ10 (potentially).

I am also planning to get blood works done pre, during, and after the cycle. However, the availability of blood tests is not as well structured as Australia. So I plan to use MyTest -NZ and do testosterone levels and full cbc.

In terms of pct, I have had mixed thoughts in-terms of what to run, or if to pct at all and just blast and cruise. If I did PCT I would probably run something like this:

The day after your last Test injection:

HCG 500iu everyday for 10 days.

2 weeks after your last test injection:

Everyday for 2 weeks:


40mg Nolvadex (2 caps)


100mg Clomid (4 caps)

Everyday for 2 weeks:


20mg Nolvadex (1 cap)


50mg Clomid (2 caps)

However, again, people suggest different things. Obviously I understand there will be consequences. However, I would like to try minimise the sides, hence why I come to this community to provide advice to allow the development of a coherent plan. Additionally, I for sure want kids, this is a no brainer.

Appreciate any advice following this thread. Additionally please do not hate, just would like advice .

 

[Allupfromhere]

Hello everyone, hope all is well. I'm looking to start my first cycle within the upcoming weeks. Was just looking for general advice and feedback from veterans who have ran this cycle and have feedback they would like to provide.

I'm 23 years of age, training for around 5 years. I currently run a ppl cycle which I am I love with and have dialled training and diet.

For my first cycle, I plan to take 250 mg Test E for 10 weeks. Potentially stacking with MK677 from Umbrella Labs.

The supps I plan to take are NAC, Milk Thistle, Magnesium, Zinc, Ltyrosine, Fish Oil, Multi Vitamins, ashwagandha, Berberine, CoQ10 (potentially).

I am also planning to get blood works done pre, during, and after the cycle. However, the availability of blood tests is not as well structured as Australia. So I plan to use MyTest -NZ and do testosterone levels and full cbc.

In terms of pct, I have had mixed thoughts in-terms of what to run, or if to pct at all and just blast and cruise. If I did PCT I would probably run something like this:

The day after your last Test injection:

HCG 500iu everyday for 10 days.

2 weeks after your last test injection:

Everyday for 2 weeks:


40mg Nolvadex (2 caps)


100mg Clomid (4 caps)

Everyday for 2 weeks:


20mg Nolvadex (1 cap)


50mg Clomid (2 caps)

However, again, people suggest different things. Obviously I understand there will be consequences. However, I would like to try minimise the sides, hence why I come to this community to provide advice to allow the development of a coherent plan. Additionally, I for sure want kids, this is a no brainer.

Appreciate any advice following this thread. Additionally please do not hate, just would like advice .

Bro you are definitely in the right place for the advice you’re after.
You sound like your already dedicated to your fitness journey and have clearly made up your mind went it comes to gear. The only advice I’m going to give you is don’t blast and cruise at your age, it will be the quickest way to fuck yourself up long term. Stick to easy cycles like you have mentioned and aim for maybe 2 a year but you definitely want to give yourself genuine time off in between. Your only young brother and no point shutting down your body this early. Enjoy the ride enjoy the gains and progress you gonna make over the next several years.
As far as cycle protocols I’ll let the others shed some light on that bro. One thing you should do is start a log on here bro, it will help give you structure and positive accountability for your journey and honestly throw it all on the table the more details and and honesty you put in only helps getting the most accurate advice. No judgement here whatsoever only support legend, good luck with your journey.

 

[SwampBoy2002]

Bro you are definitely in the right place for the advice you’re after.
You sound like your already dedicated to your fitness journey and have clearly made up your mind went it comes to gear. The only advice I’m going to give you is don’t blast and cruise at your age, it will be the quickest way to fuck yourself up long term. Stick to easy cycles like you have mentioned and aim for maybe 2 a year but you definitely want to give yourself genuine time off in between. Your only young brother and no point shutting down your body this early. Enjoy the ride enjoy the gains and progress you gonna make over the next several years.
As far as cycle protocols I’ll let the others shed some light on that bro. One thing you should do is start a log on here bro, it will help give you structure and positive accountability for your journey and honestly throw it all on the table the more details and and honesty you put in only helps getting the most accurate advice. No judgement here whatsoever only support legend, good luck with your journey.

Appreciate it bro, but no one else seems to be replying. Mostly concerned on what to get for pct and bloods.

 

[Allupfromhere]

They will bro trust me just give it some time. Just make sure you do your bloods first. So you know where your baseline is at and what you’re gonna be trying to chase after you pct. Would be an idea to get them after 6-8 weeks also and don’t run your cycle anymore then 12 weeks as it’s only going to be more difficult to get back to square later. In the meantime while your waiting for other to chime in on this thread have a ready through this.

Thread 'The Perfect Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) - EXPLAINED'
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct-explained.7556/

 

[s.gentz]

Hello everyone, hope all is well. I'm looking to start my first cycle within the upcoming weeks. Was just looking for general advice and feedback from veterans who have ran this cycle and have feedback they would like to provide.

I'm 23 years of age, training for around 5 years. I currently run a ppl cycle which I am I love with and have dialled training and diet.

For my first cycle, I plan to take 250 mg Test E for 10 weeks. Potentially stacking with MK677 from Umbrella Labs.

The supps I plan to take are NAC, Milk Thistle, Magnesium, Zinc, Ltyrosine, Fish Oil, Multi Vitamins, ashwagandha, Berberine, CoQ10 (potentially).

I am also planning to get blood works done pre, during, and after the cycle. However, the availability of blood tests is not as well structured as Australia. So I plan to use MyTest -NZ and do testosterone levels and full cbc.

In terms of pct, I have had mixed thoughts in-terms of what to run, or if to pct at all and just blast and cruise. If I did PCT I would probably run something like this:

The day after your last Test injection:

HCG 500iu everyday for 10 days.

2 weeks after your last test injection:

Everyday for 2 weeks:


40mg Nolvadex (2 caps)


100mg Clomid (4 caps)

Everyday for 2 weeks:


20mg Nolvadex (1 cap)


50mg Clomid (2 caps)

However, again, people suggest different things. Obviously I understand there will be consequences. However, I would like to try minimise the sides, hence why I come to this community to provide advice to allow the development of a coherent plan. Additionally, I for sure want kids, this is a no brainer.

Appreciate any advice following this thread. Additionally please do not hate, just would like advice .

Hey @SwampBoy2002
Welcome to EVO!
At 23yo it would be beneficial for you to wait a few more years. You still developing and starting on hormones is not a great idea. That being said, you do you. Your an adult.
The first thing your going to want to do is start a training/diet log. That we we can monitor what your doing and make sure your cycle is as productive as possible.I would get bloods not and see where your natural test levels sit. Your pretty young so i'd imagine they are good. If you your natty number are high (800-1000) personally i wouldn't mess that up because chances are once you come off you won't recover to those numbers. If you still decide to continue then you may want to take more than 250. At 250 you will shut your body down but that 250 might not get your levels much higher than your natural production so you've gone through all of this for minimal "gaines". Poin tis get your bloods and we can help you decide on a target test amount.
For PCT follow this link. https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/the-perfect-pct-simplified.49252/
Get all of your PCT supplies prior to starting anything. You will also need on cycle support. Get N2Guard.
Again, welcome to the family. Start a log and tag me.

 

[stevesmi]

Check out the other logs to get ideas on trying and diet. And put ur own up. Pics help us get to know you better then stats

If you want test and nutrobal be aware your appetite will be nuts on that stack to the point of annoyance.

 

[SwampBoy2002]

Hey @SwampBoy2002
Welcome to EVO!
At 23yo it would be beneficial for you to wait a few more years. You still developing and starting on hormones is not a great idea. That being said, you do you. Your an adult.
The first thing your going to want to do is start a training/diet log. That we we can monitor what your doing and make sure your cycle is as productive as possible.I would get bloods not and see where your natural test levels sit. Your pretty young so i'd imagine they are good. If you your natty number are high (800-1000) personally i wouldn't mess that up because chances are once you come off you won't recover to those numbers. If you still decide to continue then you may want to take more than 250. At 250 you will shut your body down but that 250 might not get your levels much higher than your natural production so you've gone through all of this for minimal "gaines". Poin tis get your bloods and we can help you decide on a target test amount.
For PCT follow this link. https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/the-perfect-pct-simplified.49252/
Get all of your PCT supplies prior to starting anything. You will also need on cycle support. Get N2Guard.
Again, welcome to the family. Start a log and tag me.

What bloods do you recommend doing? Like I said, in NZ it's hard to get bloods. I will do them just don't want to be excessive with them.

 

[RoidRage69]

I would go 500mg of test.

 

[SwampBoy2002]

I would go 500mg of test.

Really? Bear in mind it's my first cycle never taken anything before.

 

[Pigsy]

Welcome to EVO. The log here will help you lean lots

 

[Allupfromhere]

Really? Bear in mind it's my first cycle never taken anything before.

First thing is definitely bloods bro. As @s.gentz mentioned with out knowing where your naturally at you may be shutting your HPTA for no extra gain. If your natural levels of testosterone are already in the high range of hypothetically let’s say 1000 ng/dl then only 250mg of exogenous testosterone may not supersede that level. You would shut your natural system down for absolutely nothing, getting where this is going? Would be a risk for absolutely no reward.

 

[SwampBoy2002]

First thing is definitely bloods bro. As @s.gentz mentioned with out knowing where your naturally at you may be shutting your HPTA for no extra gain. If your natural levels of testosterone are already in the high range of hypothetically let’s say 1000 ng/dl then only 250mg of exogenous testosterone may not supersede that level. You would shut your natural system down for absolutely nothing, getting where this is going? Would be a risk for absolutely no reward.

For my bloods was going to my tests and doing a cbc, lipid panel, testosterone total, and E2. These cover majority of the bases.

 

[Allupfromhere]

For my bloods was going to my tests and doing a cbc, lipid panel, testosterone total, and E2. These cover majority of the bases.

Also get a comprehensive metabolic panel to check liver and kidney function, and albumin you should check too, not sure how the health care system in nz is but but the tests I’ve mentioned you should be able to get your Dr to give you a referral. We have medicare in Australia which covers the cost of blood test. Even if you have to pay for those I would still be including them.

 

[Allupfromhere]

For my bloods was going to my tests and doing a cbc, lipid panel, testosterone total, and E2. These cover majority of the bases.

Sorry you definitely want free testosterone and shgb too mate

 

[SwampBoy2002]

Also get a comprehensive metabolic panel to check liver and kidney function, and albumin you should check too, not sure how the health care system in nz is but but the tests I’ve mentioned you should be able to get your Dr to give you a referral. We have medicare in Australia which covers the cost of blood test. Even if you have to pay for those I would still be including them.

Why kidney and liver? From what I have gathered test wouldn't affect them and I have never drunk in my life.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Why kidney and liver? From what I have gathered test wouldn't affect them and I have never drunk in my life.

I can understand if it’s a financial issue limiting what tests your choosing but as mentioned if it’s something you get get through you Dr with no charge then wouldn’t you want to know exactly where your health and organ function are at before using drugs that can have a negative impact on them?
Completely up to you brother it’s your body and your decision

 

[SwampBoy2002]

I can understand if it’s a financial issue limiting what tests your choosing but as mentioned if it’s something you get get through you Dr with no charge then wouldn’t you want to know exactly where your health and organ function are at before using drugs that can have a negative impact on them?
Completely up to you brother it’s your body and your decision

It's is a little financial but I can't find a way to do it. It's like 1000$ on my test for all these tests which doing it 3x before each cycle is absurd amount of money

 

[s.gentz]

What bloods do you recommend doing? Like I said, in NZ it's hard to get bloods. I will do them just don't want to be excessive with them.

I would get a full blood workup including hormone, lipid and metabolic panels.
You need to get all of these to make sure there aren't any markers that nee attention prior to you starting.
You will then also have a baseline for after cycle bloodwork to make sure your in as good a shape as when you started. I understand it costs moneys but if you want longevity in this game it needs to be done.

 

[LouOden]

Would love to see a log put up here so everyone can help you out.

As for gear, It is clear this younger man has his mind set and will use gear regardless of what is said.
Should we not at the very least give proper pointers.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Would love to see a log put up here so everyone can help you out.

As for gear, It is clear this younger man has his mind set and will use gear regardless of what is said.
Should we not at the very least give proper pointers.

I feel the same way. I feel getting bloods done prior definitely is a proper pointer though. Just trying to workout what tests are crucial for what his budget allows.