Cycle Advice + potential log

[LurkerGrey]

18 male 5'10 64kg (10-15% bf). Been training for 4 years (2 hard consistent dialed in years and 2 on and off years, not chronological).
I squat 130kg, deadlift 130kg and bench 100kg. My knees have always been shit so legs aren't my strongest comparatively. I run anterior posterior split (fav split) and do 1 rep warmup moderate weight, then 8 rep set of 0-2rir and lastly 3-5 reps 0-2rir.

Depending on the day and schedule, i eat in a range of 200-400 calories deficit/surplus of my maintenance. I eat vertical diet and take iron, d3, k2, fish oil and probiotic supplements. When dialed in i add creatine and electrolytes at appropriate times and phases (load creatine and maintain saturation).

I know I havent hit my natty ceiling or potential yet but i have a few reasons for wanting to do a cycle of something.

firstly i struggle with eating foods or eating enough food daily and have even gotten prescriptions from doctors for some antidepressant to help me eat more and gain weight alongside being diagnosed with childhood micro and macromalnutrition.
My blood panels (thyroid, minerals and vitamins, hormones etc) have come back (in my nutritional and training PEAK btw) in low average range but "nothing to worry about", most concerning was low test (300ng/dl - 450ng/dl) which for my age and age range speaks for itself. Like to note that that wasnt low enough to be prescribed anything, despite in my opinion feeling the symptoms,
My thyroid (despite me being incredibly suspicious of it due to minor swelling and lymph node stuff) came back in perfectly normal ranges. And im very lightly mildly insulin resistant and have a history of childhood very low iron. I currently sit at around 430ng/dl of test and all my other hormone (t3, t4, LH and FSH) are also relatively similar ratio wise. I definitely can feel and recognise when my test is low as i have absolutely zero motivation, fatigued and longer recovery, no drive and brain fog etc. For the past six months ive been experiencing these symptoms (despite training well and eating well) and im sick of it as i know what its like to be in the higher of my low physiological ranges.
I also have the bone age of like a 20 year old and my growth plates are well and truly closed (based on wrist and shoulder xray), and my sleep is so dogshit lately no matter what supp i take or etc. I average like 7-9 hours of sleep (despite feeling tired all the time and like having time to sleep more, my body just wont). also side note, wore a heart holster for a week and have an average resting hr of 38 so... either im an olympian or bradycardia (def bradycardia as also have consistent low bp)

im not looking for pity or medical diagnosis or something. I know my whole scenario and know like what is generally wrong. My goal with the cycle is to mainly boost motivation and improve sleep while also obviously getting a little closer to my goals.

I was looking at MT2 for its minor drive benefits while also hopefully darkening and supporting my genuinely paper white skin. Looking at doing the More plates more dates method and starting at 50mcg and weening up slowly.

considering glow or bpc or something for maybe supporting my gut and knees and bpcs hunger sides (yes i know mt2 can counteract this) but idrk about this stack.

Considering something on the HGH axis for the sleep and recovery benefits (+might help my MARPE and myotherapy + osteogenesis!!!) was looking at cjc no dac and ipa or ghrp-2 so i can get benefits without a constant release which could do something to my mild insulin resistance (i do have berberine / GDA that im willing to try to use to counter this)

Lastly considering just a small TEST E + Hcg + ai + PCT beginner cycle. Probs 350 test a week (split into 2).

Not scared of pinning, More scared of losing my nuts or becoming diabetic.

Looking for any and all advice

 

[s.gentz]

18 male 5'10 64kg (10-15% bf). Been training for 4 years (2 hard consistent dialed in years and 2 on and off years, not chronological).
I squat 130kg, deadlift 130kg and bench 100kg. My knees have always been shit so legs aren't my strongest comparatively. I run anterior posterior split (fav split) and do 1 rep warmup moderate weight, then 8 rep set of 0-2rir and lastly 3-5 reps 0-2rir.

Depending on the day and schedule, i eat in a range of 200-400 calories deficit/surplus of my maintenance. I eat vertical diet and take iron, d3, k2, fish oil and probiotic supplements. When dialed in i add creatine and electrolytes at appropriate times and phases (load creatine and maintain saturation).

I know I havent hit my natty ceiling or potential yet but i have a few reasons for wanting to do a cycle of something.

firstly i struggle with eating foods or eating enough food daily and have even gotten prescriptions from doctors for some antidepressant to help me eat more and gain weight alongside being diagnosed with childhood micro and macromalnutrition.
My blood panels (thyroid, minerals and vitamins, hormones etc) have come back (in my nutritional and training PEAK btw) in low average range but "nothing to worry about", most concerning was low test (300ng/dl - 450ng/dl) which for my age and age range speaks for itself. Like to note that that wasnt low enough to be prescribed anything, despite in my opinion feeling the symptoms,
My thyroid (despite me being incredibly suspicious of it due to minor swelling and lymph node stuff) came back in perfectly normal ranges. And im very lightly mildly insulin resistant and have a history of childhood very low iron. I currently sit at around 430ng/dl of test and all my other hormone (t3, t4, LH and FSH) are also relatively similar ratio wise. I definitely can feel and recognise when my test is low as i have absolutely zero motivation, fatigued and longer recovery, no drive and brain fog etc. For the past six months ive been experiencing these symptoms (despite training well and eating well) and im sick of it as i know what its like to be in the higher of my low physiological ranges.
I also have the bone age of like a 20 year old and my growth plates are well and truly closed (based on wrist and shoulder xray), and my sleep is so dogshit lately no matter what supp i take or etc. I average like 7-9 hours of sleep (despite feeling tired all the time and like having time to sleep more, my body just wont). also side note, wore a heart holster for a week and have an average resting hr of 38 so... either im an olympian or bradycardia (def bradycardia as also have consistent low bp)

im not looking for pity or medical diagnosis or something. I know my whole scenario and know like what is generally wrong. My goal with the cycle is to mainly boost motivation and improve sleep while also obviously getting a little closer to my goals.

I was looking at MT2 for its minor drive benefits while also hopefully darkening and supporting my genuinely paper white skin. Looking at doing the More plates more dates method and starting at 50mcg and weening up slowly.

considering glow or bpc or something for maybe supporting my gut and knees and bpcs hunger sides (yes i know mt2 can counteract this) but idrk about this stack.

Considering something on the HGH axis for the sleep and recovery benefits (+might help my MARPE and myotherapy + osteogenesis!!!) was looking at cjc no dac and ipa or ghrp-2 so i can get benefits without a constant release which could do something to my mild insulin resistance (i do have berberine / GDA that im willing to try to use to counter this)

Lastly considering just a small TEST E + Hcg + ai + PCT beginner cycle. Probs 350 test a week (split into 2).

Not scared of pinning, More scared of losing my nuts or becoming diabetic.

Looking for any and all advice

1-You are too young to be messing with your hormones. Your body/brain are not fully developed.
2-You have 0 muscle on your frame. You are 141lbs at lets say 12% since you given a broad range. Your lean body mass is only 120lbs. Have you even seen the inside of a gym?

Advice-Get your training/diet sorted and spend the next few years building a base. You have 0 business using gear right now in your current state. The only things you need are hard training and food.

 

[LevButlerov]

18 male 5'10 64kg (10-15% bf). Been training for 4 years (2 hard consistent dialed in years and 2 on and off years, not chronological).
I squat 130kg, deadlift 130kg and bench 100kg. My knees have always been shit so legs aren't my strongest comparatively. I run anterior posterior split (fav split) and do 1 rep warmup moderate weight, then 8 rep set of 0-2rir and lastly 3-5 reps 0-2rir.

Depending on the day and schedule, i eat in a range of 200-400 calories deficit/surplus of my maintenance. I eat vertical diet and take iron, d3, k2, fish oil and probiotic supplements. When dialed in i add creatine and electrolytes at appropriate times and phases (load creatine and maintain saturation).

I know I havent hit my natty ceiling or potential yet but i have a few reasons for wanting to do a cycle of something.

firstly i struggle with eating foods or eating enough food daily and have even gotten prescriptions from doctors for some antidepressant to help me eat more and gain weight alongside being diagnosed with childhood micro and macromalnutrition.
My blood panels (thyroid, minerals and vitamins, hormones etc) have come back (in my nutritional and training PEAK btw) in low average range but "nothing to worry about", most concerning was low test (300ng/dl - 450ng/dl) which for my age and age range speaks for itself. Like to note that that wasnt low enough to be prescribed anything, despite in my opinion feeling the symptoms,
My thyroid (despite me being incredibly suspicious of it due to minor swelling and lymph node stuff) came back in perfectly normal ranges. And im very lightly mildly insulin resistant and have a history of childhood very low iron. I currently sit at around 430ng/dl of test and all my other hormone (t3, t4, LH and FSH) are also relatively similar ratio wise. I definitely can feel and recognise when my test is low as i have absolutely zero motivation, fatigued and longer recovery, no drive and brain fog etc. For the past six months ive been experiencing these symptoms (despite training well and eating well) and im sick of it as i know what its like to be in the higher of my low physiological ranges.
I also have the bone age of like a 20 year old and my growth plates are well and truly closed (based on wrist and shoulder xray), and my sleep is so dogshit lately no matter what supp i take or etc. I average like 7-9 hours of sleep (despite feeling tired all the time and like having time to sleep more, my body just wont). also side note, wore a heart holster for a week and have an average resting hr of 38 so... either im an olympian or bradycardia (def bradycardia as also have consistent low bp)

im not looking for pity or medical diagnosis or something. I know my whole scenario and know like what is generally wrong. My goal with the cycle is to mainly boost motivation and improve sleep while also obviously getting a little closer to my goals.

I was looking at MT2 for its minor drive benefits while also hopefully darkening and supporting my genuinely paper white skin. Looking at doing the More plates more dates method and starting at 50mcg and weening up slowly.

considering glow or bpc or something for maybe supporting my gut and knees and bpcs hunger sides (yes i know mt2 can counteract this) but idrk about this stack.

Considering something on the HGH axis for the sleep and recovery benefits (+might help my MARPE and myotherapy + osteogenesis!!!) was looking at cjc no dac and ipa or ghrp-2 so i can get benefits without a constant release which could do something to my mild insulin resistance (i do have berberine / GDA that im willing to try to use to counter this)

Lastly considering just a small TEST E + Hcg + ai + PCT beginner cycle. Probs 350 test a week (split into 2).

Not scared of pinning, More scared of losing my nuts or becoming diabetic.

Looking for any and all advice

welcome to the EVO family @LurkerGrey good start posting all this.
At 18 you way too young for any steroids and you don’t need a single compound right now because you still gaining naturally, but to begin here you need to post full bloods for rangers and start a full training diet lifestyle log so we can see what you doing and improve you natty. It will take you 15min to start a log and if you can't do that, you shouldnt touch steroids or any hormones.


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Why is a Log Journal important?

• Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
• Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
• The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
• Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

• Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
• It will take 15-20 minutes max.
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Please click the anabolic forum
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click that

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[LurkerGrey]

1-You are too young to be messing with your hormones. Your body/brain are not fully developed.
2-You have 0 muscle on your frame. You are 141lbs at lets say 12% since you given a broad range. Your lean body mass is only 120lbs. Have you even seen the inside of a gym?

Advice-Get your training/diet sorted and spend the next few years building a base. You have 0 business using gear right now in your current state. The only things you need are hard training and food.

Thanks for the response
If u read my bloods and bone age results youd respond otherwise, im on the lowest and worse ends of the spectrums teetering on prescription levels and im feeling the sides. Considering i started the gym around 3-4 years ago at 15 and i was 167cm and 38kg id say ive put on some size. Sure you can chock that up to "growing up" but almost doubling my body weight and overcoming nutritional issues is pretty big. Im not an expert but im certainly not beginner, and id say neither are my lifts. Also im not saying im gonna dive into the deep end and do methyl test and tren? Im asking for advice on a peptide cycle or MAYBE a small test E cycle? Id say im pretty serious about the gym, studying to be a Nutritionist and PT.

Heres my diet btw since u said i need good food, i eat this almost everyday. - P/C/F 200/300/100 - 2900cals
Breakfast: 170g YoPro strawberry yogurt, 30g frozen mixed berries, 60g rolled oats, 10g natural peanut butter, 20g almonds, 10g walnuts, 10g honey, 1 brazil nut

Lunch: 170g white rice, 120g lean mince, 50g red capsicum, 50g kale / spinach, 10g olive oil, 250ml chicken bone broth, 3 baby cucumbers, 7 cherry tomatoes, 25g liver

Pre-workout shake: 80ml pomegranate juice, 150ml coconut water, 100g pineapple, 150g watermelon, 80g beetroot, half a banana
Pre-workout meal: 170g white rice, 150g chicken, 50g spinach, iodized salt.

Post-workout: 120g steak, 3 whole eggs, 170g potato, 50g broccoli, 50g cauliflower, 50g carrot, 50g peas, 10g honey, iodized salt, 5g creatine.

Dinner/before bed: 114g salmon in springwater, half an avocado, 5 asparagus spears, 10g olive oil, 10g sauerkraut

And heres my workout split
(0-2rir)

Anterior Day ​

Incline Smith Bench (45° arm, 30° bench) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Leg Extension (unilateral) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cable Lateral Raise — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
DB Preacher Curl or Cable Preacher Curl — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Flat Press or Chest Fly — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Single-Leg Leg Press (quad squat pattern) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Dumbbell Shoulder Press — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cable Hammer Curl or Bayesian Curl — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cable Crunches — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cable Shrugs — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps

Posterior Day ​

Lat Pulldown or Keenan Flap — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Single-Leg RDL or Back Extension (smith or dumbbell) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Unilateral Supinated Tricep Extension or Seated Tricep Extension — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Unilateral Calf Raise (leg press machine) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Wide Row + Kelso Shrug Combo (uni or bilateral) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Seated Leg Curl (unilateral) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Tricep Pullover — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Side Leg Extensions (adduction + abduction) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Sagittal Pulldown or Sagittal Row — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Hanging Leg Raises — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps

Rest Day ​

30 minutes incline walking or sled run (12 incline, 3 speed, 30 minutes)
30 minutes incline backwards walking or sled run (12 incline, 3 speed, 30 minutes)
Cable Woodchops — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Dumbbell/Cable Wrist Curls (flexion, extension, supination, pronation) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Kettlebell Swings (pyramid) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cuff Leg Kicks + Kickbacks — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Glute Bridge / Hip Thrust — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Smith Machine Side Pulls — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Neck Exercises — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps

 

[Dreamer]

Going to agree with the other guys, 18 is too young, your too light - you are very strong for your age and size though, I think there is alot of things you can optimise first naturally and spend some time training and eating before jumping into a cycle, you will benefit from a log big time

 

[Dreamer]

Thanks for the response
If u read my bloods and bone age results youd respond otherwise, im on the lowest and worse ends of the spectrums teetering on prescription levels and im feeling the sides. Considering i started the gym around 3-4 years ago at 15 and i was 167cm and 38kg id say ive put on some size. Sure you can chock that up to "growing up" but almost doubling my body weight and overcoming nutritional issues is pretty big. Im not an expert but im certainly not beginner, and id say neither are my lifts. Also im not saying im gonna dive into the deep end and do methyl test and tren? Im asking for advice on a peptide cycle or MAYBE a small test E cycle? Id say im pretty serious about the gym, studying to be a Nutritionist and PT.

Heres my diet btw since u said i need good food, i eat this almost everyday. - P/C/F 200/300/100 - 2900cals
Breakfast: 170g YoPro strawberry yogurt, 30g frozen mixed berries, 60g rolled oats, 10g natural peanut butter, 20g almonds, 10g walnuts, 10g honey, 1 brazil nut

Lunch: 170g white rice, 120g lean mince, 50g red capsicum, 50g kale / spinach, 10g olive oil, 250ml chicken bone broth, 3 baby cucumbers, 7 cherry tomatoes, 25g liver

Pre-workout shake: 80ml pomegranate juice, 150ml coconut water, 100g pineapple, 150g watermelon, 80g beetroot, half a banana
Pre-workout meal: 170g white rice, 150g chicken, 50g spinach, iodized salt.

Post-workout: 120g steak, 3 whole eggs, 170g potato, 50g broccoli, 50g cauliflower, 50g carrot, 50g peas, 10g honey, iodized salt, 5g creatine.

Dinner/before bed: 114g salmon in springwater, half an avocado, 5 asparagus spears, 10g olive oil, 10g sauerkraut

And heres my workout split
(0-2rir)

Anterior Day ​

Incline Smith Bench (45° arm, 30° bench) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Leg Extension (unilateral) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cable Lateral Raise — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
DB Preacher Curl or Cable Preacher Curl — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Flat Press or Chest Fly — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Single-Leg Leg Press (quad squat pattern) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Dumbbell Shoulder Press — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cable Hammer Curl or Bayesian Curl — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cable Crunches — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cable Shrugs — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps

Posterior Day ​

Lat Pulldown or Keenan Flap — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Single-Leg RDL or Back Extension (smith or dumbbell) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Unilateral Supinated Tricep Extension or Seated Tricep Extension — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Unilateral Calf Raise (leg press machine) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Wide Row + Kelso Shrug Combo (uni or bilateral) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Seated Leg Curl (unilateral) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Tricep Pullover — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Side Leg Extensions (adduction + abduction) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Sagittal Pulldown or Sagittal Row — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Hanging Leg Raises — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps

Rest Day ​

30 minutes incline walking or sled run (12 incline, 3 speed, 30 minutes)
30 minutes incline backwards walking or sled run (12 incline, 3 speed, 30 minutes)
Cable Woodchops — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Dumbbell/Cable Wrist Curls (flexion, extension, supination, pronation) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Kettlebell Swings (pyramid) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cuff Leg Kicks + Kickbacks — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Glute Bridge / Hip Thrust — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Smith Machine Side Pulls — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Neck Exercises — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps

Do you ever have a solid rest day? You do a lot of volume, please share bloods too

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks for the response
If u read my bloods and bone age results youd respond otherwise, im on the lowest and worse ends of the spectrums teetering on prescription levels and im feeling the sides. Considering i started the gym around 3-4 years ago at 15 and i was 167cm and 38kg id say ive put on some size. Sure you can chock that up to "growing up" but almost doubling my body weight and overcoming nutritional issues is pretty big. Im not an expert but im certainly not beginner, and id say neither are my lifts. Also im not saying im gonna dive into the deep end and do methyl test and tren? Im asking for advice on a peptide cycle or MAYBE a small test E cycle? Id say im pretty serious about the gym, studying to be a Nutritionist and PT.

Heres my diet btw since u said i need good food, i eat this almost everyday. - P/C/F 200/300/100 - 2900cals
Breakfast: 170g YoPro strawberry yogurt, 30g frozen mixed berries, 60g rolled oats, 10g natural peanut butter, 20g almonds, 10g walnuts, 10g honey, 1 brazil nut

Lunch: 170g white rice, 120g lean mince, 50g red capsicum, 50g kale / spinach, 10g olive oil, 250ml chicken bone broth, 3 baby cucumbers, 7 cherry tomatoes, 25g liver

Pre-workout shake: 80ml pomegranate juice, 150ml coconut water, 100g pineapple, 150g watermelon, 80g beetroot, half a banana
Pre-workout meal: 170g white rice, 150g chicken, 50g spinach, iodized salt.

Post-workout: 120g steak, 3 whole eggs, 170g potato, 50g broccoli, 50g cauliflower, 50g carrot, 50g peas, 10g honey, iodized salt, 5g creatine.

Dinner/before bed: 114g salmon in springwater, half an avocado, 5 asparagus spears, 10g olive oil, 10g sauerkraut

And heres my workout split
(0-2rir)

Anterior Day ​

Incline Smith Bench (45° arm, 30° bench) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Leg Extension (unilateral) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cable Lateral Raise — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
DB Preacher Curl or Cable Preacher Curl — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Flat Press or Chest Fly — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Single-Leg Leg Press (quad squat pattern) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Dumbbell Shoulder Press — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cable Hammer Curl or Bayesian Curl — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cable Crunches — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cable Shrugs — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps

Posterior Day ​

Lat Pulldown or Keenan Flap — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Single-Leg RDL or Back Extension (smith or dumbbell) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Unilateral Supinated Tricep Extension or Seated Tricep Extension — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Unilateral Calf Raise (leg press machine) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Wide Row + Kelso Shrug Combo (uni or bilateral) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Seated Leg Curl (unilateral) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Tricep Pullover — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Side Leg Extensions (adduction + abduction) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Sagittal Pulldown or Sagittal Row — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Hanging Leg Raises — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps

Rest Day ​

30 minutes incline walking or sled run (12 incline, 3 speed, 30 minutes)
30 minutes incline backwards walking or sled run (12 incline, 3 speed, 30 minutes)
Cable Woodchops — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Dumbbell/Cable Wrist Curls (flexion, extension, supination, pronation) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Kettlebell Swings (pyramid) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cuff Leg Kicks + Kickbacks — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Glute Bridge / Hip Thrust — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Smith Machine Side Pulls — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Neck Exercises — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps

To start, please ONLY write what you wrote, dont use AI to write, we want to talk to you not to a chatbot @LurkerGrey
if you cant write what your situation is, its not good for further long term logging
next I gave you clear instructions on starting a NEW thread with a log, please read it and follow up
write it yourself, dont use AI please

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/cycle-advice-potential-log.107697/post-1889818

welcome to the EVO family @LurkerGrey good start posting all this.
At 18 you way too young for any steroids and you don’t need a single compound right now because you still gaining naturally, but to begin here you need to post full bloods for rangers and start a full training diet lifestyle log so we can see what you doing and improve you natty. It will take you 15min to start a log and if you can't do that, you shouldnt touch steroids or any hormones.


HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

• Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
• Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
• The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
• Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

• Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
• It will take 15-20 minutes max.
• We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
• Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My training diet lifestyle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

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[LurkerGrey]

Going to agree with the other guys, 18 is too young, your too light - you are very strong for your age and size though, I think there is alot of things you can optimise first naturally and spend some time training and eating before jumping into a cycle, you will benefit from a log big time

okay I'll look into starting a log but will probs still do mt2 just cuz i wanna tan and want the "motivating" benefits

 

[Dreamer]

okay I'll look into starting a log but will probs still do mt2 just cuz i wanna tan and want the "motivating" benefits

MT2 isnt going to mess with your hormones, probably safe enough, I would really like to see your bloods

 

[LurkerGrey]

Do you ever have a solid rest day? You do a lot of volume, please share bloods too

if i can find my bloods ill post them alongisde my log. i just named my cardio day "rest" but yeah i do have days where i do nothing basically, ive got a pretty busy schedule atm so it happens more often then not and i just try fit my training blocks around work and study.

 

[LurkerGrey]

To start, please ONLY write what you wrote, dont use AI to write, we want to talk to you not to a chatbot @LurkerGrey
if you cant write what your situation is, its not good for further long term logging
next I gave you clear instructions on starting a NEW thread with a log, please read it and follow up
write it yourself, dont use AI please

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/cycle-advice-potential-log.107697/post-1889818

yeah ill start a new log, i used chatgpt to put my diet into text only form and put my reps and that cuz i have it in a google doc in like table form and it doesnt paste over well. Ive come up with the diet and split alongside a coach.

 

[LevButlerov]

yeah ill start a new log, i used chatgpt to put my diet into text only form and put my reps and that cuz i have it in a google doc in like table form and it doesnt paste over well. Ive come up with the diet and split alongside a coach.

dont use chatgpt we want to talk to you not the bot lol @LurkerGrey
if i wanted to talk to chatgpt i wouldn't spend 12 hours per day helping guys on forums right

 

[LurkerGrey]

MT2 isnt going to mess with your hormones, probably safe enough, I would really like to see your bloods

im digging through folders to find them now, i think i have the past two tests with the panels but the other bajillion ive done will be lost to time.

- i know my average ranges tho for almost everything

 

[stevesmi]

18 male 5'10 64kg (10-15% bf). Been training for 4 years (2 hard consistent dialed in years and 2 on and off years, not chronological).
I squat 130kg, deadlift 130kg and bench 100kg. My knees have always been shit so legs aren't my strongest comparatively. I run anterior posterior split (fav split) and do 1 rep warmup moderate weight, then 8 rep set of 0-2rir and lastly 3-5 reps 0-2rir.

Depending on the day and schedule, i eat in a range of 200-400 calories deficit/surplus of my maintenance. I eat vertical diet and take iron, d3, k2, fish oil and probiotic supplements. When dialed in i add creatine and electrolytes at appropriate times and phases (load creatine and maintain saturation).

I know I havent hit my natty ceiling or potential yet but i have a few reasons for wanting to do a cycle of something.

firstly i struggle with eating foods or eating enough food daily and have even gotten prescriptions from doctors for some antidepressant to help me eat more and gain weight alongside being diagnosed with childhood micro and macromalnutrition.
My blood panels (thyroid, minerals and vitamins, hormones etc) have come back (in my nutritional and training PEAK btw) in low average range but "nothing to worry about", most concerning was low test (300ng/dl - 450ng/dl) which for my age and age range speaks for itself. Like to note that that wasnt low enough to be prescribed anything, despite in my opinion feeling the symptoms,
My thyroid (despite me being incredibly suspicious of it due to minor swelling and lymph node stuff) came back in perfectly normal ranges. And im very lightly mildly insulin resistant and have a history of childhood very low iron. I currently sit at around 430ng/dl of test and all my other hormone (t3, t4, LH and FSH) are also relatively similar ratio wise. I definitely can feel and recognise when my test is low as i have absolutely zero motivation, fatigued and longer recovery, no drive and brain fog etc. For the past six months ive been experiencing these symptoms (despite training well and eating well) and im sick of it as i know what its like to be in the higher of my low physiological ranges.
I also have the bone age of like a 20 year old and my growth plates are well and truly closed (based on wrist and shoulder xray), and my sleep is so dogshit lately no matter what supp i take or etc. I average like 7-9 hours of sleep (despite feeling tired all the time and like having time to sleep more, my body just wont). also side note, wore a heart holster for a week and have an average resting hr of 38 so... either im an olympian or bradycardia (def bradycardia as also have consistent low bp)

im not looking for pity or medical diagnosis or something. I know my whole scenario and know like what is generally wrong. My goal with the cycle is to mainly boost motivation and improve sleep while also obviously getting a little closer to my goals.

I was looking at MT2 for its minor drive benefits while also hopefully darkening and supporting my genuinely paper white skin. Looking at doing the More plates more dates method and starting at 50mcg and weening up slowly.

considering glow or bpc or something for maybe supporting my gut and knees and bpcs hunger sides (yes i know mt2 can counteract this) but idrk about this stack.

Considering something on the HGH axis for the sleep and recovery benefits (+might help my MARPE and myotherapy + osteogenesis!!!) was looking at cjc no dac and ipa or ghrp-2 so i can get benefits without a constant release which could do something to my mild insulin resistance (i do have berberine / GDA that im willing to try to use to counter this)

Lastly considering just a small TEST E + Hcg + ai + PCT beginner cycle. Probs 350 test a week (split into 2).

Not scared of pinning, More scared of losing my nuts or becoming diabetic.

Looking for any and all advice

messing with hormones is only going to screw more stuff up. best thing you can do is dial in diet/training

 

[Mobster]

The guys are correct.
1. Too young
2. Not eating enough (kinda obvious)
3. WAYYYY too much training

 

[rizzlekdizzle]

Your stats when you were 15 and maybe even now would be concerning for some form of anorexia was that the case? No judgement I am just wondering why so small? Even now with the amount of training you do and your stats you are still quite underweight.
Your low T could be due to being in a somewhat 'malnourished state' over the last few years
As mobster said
- Too young for PED's - especially with your background
- Eat way more
- Train better/smarter (what are neck exercises?? stretches? - otherwise you don't really need to train neck) your rest day isn't really a rest day btw

You are young - so you have many years to get a really solid base under your belt before stuffing your fertility with PED's. What do you want with MT2? A tan??

 

[Dreamer]

Your stats when you were 15 and maybe even now would be concerning for some form of anorexia was that the case? No judgement I am just wondering why so small? Even now with the amount of training you do and your stats you are still quite underweight.
Your low T could be due to being in a somewhat 'malnourished state' over the last few years
As mobster said
- Too young for PED's - especially with your background
- Eat way more
- Train better/smarter (what are neck exercises?? stretches? - otherwise you don't really need to train neck) your rest day isn't really a rest day btw

You are young - so you have many years to get a really solid base under your belt before stuffing your fertility with PED's. What do you want with MT2? A tan??

He said the motivating benefits from MT2 - I havent felt any of that

 

[rizzlekdizzle]

He said the motivating benefits from MT2 - I havent felt any of that

surely young enough to feel motivation

 

[willipede]

Bit of advice here from someone who struggled at that age, also was prescribed antidepressants and meds to help me eat.

That proposed cycle, peds is no good and mt2 probably gonna be more harm than good. Its not easier to eat on cycle if your already having issues they'll probably get worse

I learnt from having low iron anaemia, but I didn't know this at the time it can be caused by chronic Inflammation.

Bpc could be helpful, possibly injectable glutathione. But I would personally start a food diary and an elimation diet before you start looking for answers elsewhere

 

[s.gentz]

Thanks for the response
If u read my bloods and bone age results youd respond otherwise, im on the lowest and worse ends of the spectrums teetering on prescription levels and im feeling the sides. Considering i started the gym around 3-4 years ago at 15 and i was 167cm and 38kg id say ive put on some size. Sure you can chock that up to "growing up" but almost doubling my body weight and overcoming nutritional issues is pretty big. Im not an expert but im certainly not beginner, and id say neither are my lifts. Also im not saying im gonna dive into the deep end and do methyl test and tren? Im asking for advice on a peptide cycle or MAYBE a small test E cycle? Id say im pretty serious about the gym, studying to be a Nutritionist and PT.

Heres my diet btw since u said i need good food, i eat this almost everyday. - P/C/F 200/300/100 - 2900cals
Breakfast: 170g YoPro strawberry yogurt, 30g frozen mixed berries, 60g rolled oats, 10g natural peanut butter, 20g almonds, 10g walnuts, 10g honey, 1 brazil nut

Lunch: 170g white rice, 120g lean mince, 50g red capsicum, 50g kale / spinach, 10g olive oil, 250ml chicken bone broth, 3 baby cucumbers, 7 cherry tomatoes, 25g liver

Pre-workout shake: 80ml pomegranate juice, 150ml coconut water, 100g pineapple, 150g watermelon, 80g beetroot, half a banana
Pre-workout meal: 170g white rice, 150g chicken, 50g spinach, iodized salt.

Post-workout: 120g steak, 3 whole eggs, 170g potato, 50g broccoli, 50g cauliflower, 50g carrot, 50g peas, 10g honey, iodized salt, 5g creatine.

Dinner/before bed: 114g salmon in springwater, half an avocado, 5 asparagus spears, 10g olive oil, 10g sauerkraut

And heres my workout split
(0-2rir)

Anterior Day ​

Incline Smith Bench (45° arm, 30° bench) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Leg Extension (unilateral) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cable Lateral Raise — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
DB Preacher Curl or Cable Preacher Curl — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Flat Press or Chest Fly — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Single-Leg Leg Press (quad squat pattern) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Dumbbell Shoulder Press — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cable Hammer Curl or Bayesian Curl — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cable Crunches — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cable Shrugs — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps

Posterior Day ​

Lat Pulldown or Keenan Flap — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Single-Leg RDL or Back Extension (smith or dumbbell) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Unilateral Supinated Tricep Extension or Seated Tricep Extension — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Unilateral Calf Raise (leg press machine) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Wide Row + Kelso Shrug Combo (uni or bilateral) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Seated Leg Curl (unilateral) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Tricep Pullover — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Side Leg Extensions (adduction + abduction) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Sagittal Pulldown or Sagittal Row — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Hanging Leg Raises — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps

Rest Day ​

30 minutes incline walking or sled run (12 incline, 3 speed, 30 minutes)
30 minutes incline backwards walking or sled run (12 incline, 3 speed, 30 minutes)
Cable Woodchops — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Dumbbell/Cable Wrist Curls (flexion, extension, supination, pronation) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Kettlebell Swings (pyramid) — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Cuff Leg Kicks + Kickbacks — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Glute Bridge / Hip Thrust — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Smith Machine Side Pulls — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps
Neck Exercises — 1 warmup rep, 8 reps, 3–5 reps

I'll stand by my initial comments. At 18yo you are much to young to start messing with your hormones. You will have to deal with the negative effects the rest of your life.
Your WO plan looks like you copy/pasted or AI wrote it. Let's see what kind of weight you are moving and if you start a log we can see your progressions and help you stay on the right path. If/when you are ready we will help you with gear but for now it should not even be a thought in your mind.

 

[s.gentz]

glutathione

Great suggestion. Glutathione production can be achieved with many OTC supps as well.
Milk thistle/NAC/Alpha -lipoic acid/Vitamin B and C/selenium and product that contain cysteine.

 

[willipede]

Great suggestion. Glutathione production can be achieved with many OTC supps as well.
Milk thistle/NAC/Alpha -lipoic acid/Vitamin B and C/selenium and product that contain cysteine.

Interpreting, im doing 1200mg NAC, 1000mg vit c, methyl b complex injectable Glutathione a couple times per week

I think those suggestions could be helpful for him for sure

 

[ballin2504]

Entirely to young in my opinion

 

[HarleyGuy]

18 male 5'10 64kg (10-15% bf). Been training for 4 years (2 hard consistent dialed in years and 2 on and off years, not chronological).
I squat 130kg, deadlift 130kg and bench 100kg. My knees have always been shit so legs aren't my strongest comparatively. I run anterior posterior split (fav split) and do 1 rep warmup moderate weight, then 8 rep set of 0-2rir and lastly 3-5 reps 0-2rir.

Depending on the day and schedule, i eat in a range of 200-400 calories deficit/surplus of my maintenance. I eat vertical diet and take iron, d3, k2, fish oil and probiotic supplements. When dialed in i add creatine and electrolytes at appropriate times and phases (load creatine and maintain saturation).

I know I havent hit my natty ceiling or potential yet but i have a few reasons for wanting to do a cycle of something.

firstly i struggle with eating foods or eating enough food daily and have even gotten prescriptions from doctors for some antidepressant to help me eat more and gain weight alongside being diagnosed with childhood micro and macromalnutrition.
My blood panels (thyroid, minerals and vitamins, hormones etc) have come back (in my nutritional and training PEAK btw) in low average range but "nothing to worry about", most concerning was low test (300ng/dl - 450ng/dl) which for my age and age range speaks for itself. Like to note that that wasnt low enough to be prescribed anything, despite in my opinion feeling the symptoms,
My thyroid (despite me being incredibly suspicious of it due to minor swelling and lymph node stuff) came back in perfectly normal ranges. And im very lightly mildly insulin resistant and have a history of childhood very low iron. I currently sit at around 430ng/dl of test and all my other hormone (t3, t4, LH and FSH) are also relatively similar ratio wise. I definitely can feel and recognise when my test is low as i have absolutely zero motivation, fatigued and longer recovery, no drive and brain fog etc. For the past six months ive been experiencing these symptoms (despite training well and eating well) and im sick of it as i know what its like to be in the higher of my low physiological ranges.
I also have the bone age of like a 20 year old and my growth plates are well and truly closed (based on wrist and shoulder xray), and my sleep is so dogshit lately no matter what supp i take or etc. I average like 7-9 hours of sleep (despite feeling tired all the time and like having time to sleep more, my body just wont). also side note, wore a heart holster for a week and have an average resting hr of 38 so... either im an olympian or bradycardia (def bradycardia as also have consistent low bp)

im not looking for pity or medical diagnosis or something. I know my whole scenario and know like what is generally wrong. My goal with the cycle is to mainly boost motivation and improve sleep while also obviously getting a little closer to my goals.

I was looking at MT2 for its minor drive benefits while also hopefully darkening and supporting my genuinely paper white skin. Looking at doing the More plates more dates method and starting at 50mcg and weening up slowly.

considering glow or bpc or something for maybe supporting my gut and knees and bpcs hunger sides (yes i know mt2 can counteract this) but idrk about this stack.

Considering something on the HGH axis for the sleep and recovery benefits (+might help my MARPE and myotherapy + osteogenesis!!!) was looking at cjc no dac and ipa or ghrp-2 so i can get benefits without a constant release which could do something to my mild insulin resistance (i do have berberine / GDA that im willing to try to use to counter this)

Lastly considering just a small TEST E + Hcg + ai + PCT beginner cycle. Probs 350 test a week (split into 2).

Not scared of pinning, More scared of losing my nuts or becoming diabetic.

Looking for any and all advice

Start a new thread and hence a new log and post pics of yourself so we can see your base and what we're working with. Then it can be put in the mod que for approval.

In my opinion you're also asking about the wrong topics off the start at your age.

Do you still want to have kids? I recommend becoming as learned as possible on steroids in this order:

1. PCT (after steroid usage how can you come off in a healthy way to get your natural test, all hormones, and HPTA back up and running)
2. Diet (we have to see you have this dialed in with macros and calories even if it already is)
3. Training (we need to make sure you're training is consistent and proper first and have established a good base of strength/cardio)
4. Steroids (then, if you trust this forum which you should, we will get you squared away for an 8-week trial run to assist)

HOW and WHY TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?
Accountability, pride, and consistency all which lead to RESULTS!

Authoring a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:
Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread using a full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
It will take 15-20 minutes max.
We have 100's of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight, height, age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
Please post a Log Journal ASAP for us

There are almost a quarter million members on here and almost two million posts with over a thousand podcasts so your Log Journal will be taken care of here! Evolutionary.org is the most visited steroid community in the world (fact!).

For example: What are your supplements?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?


Here's how:

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT you will see: +POST THREAD
click that

In Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone cycle Log
In body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training, your body weight, supps, etc and we will help you along on your cycle or help you decide when it's time.


Here are examples of LOG Journals you can choose to use as your template:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
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[Ulter]

MT2 is for tanning. and some people get erections. its not for what you want

 

[2Thick]

18 male 5'10 64kg (10-15% bf). Been training for 4 years (2 hard consistent dialed in years and 2 on and off years, not chronological).
I squat 130kg, deadlift 130kg and bench 100kg. My knees have always been shit so legs aren't my strongest comparatively. I run anterior posterior split (fav split) and do 1 rep warmup moderate weight, then 8 rep set of 0-2rir and lastly 3-5 reps 0-2rir.

Depending on the day and schedule, i eat in a range of 200-400 calories deficit/surplus of my maintenance. I eat vertical diet and take iron, d3, k2, fish oil and probiotic supplements. When dialed in i add creatine and electrolytes at appropriate times and phases (load creatine and maintain saturation).

I know I havent hit my natty ceiling or potential yet but i have a few reasons for wanting to do a cycle of something.

firstly i struggle with eating foods or eating enough food daily and have even gotten prescriptions from doctors for some antidepressant to help me eat more and gain weight alongside being diagnosed with childhood micro and macromalnutrition.
My blood panels (thyroid, minerals and vitamins, hormones etc) have come back (in my nutritional and training PEAK btw) in low average range but "nothing to worry about", most concerning was low test (300ng/dl - 450ng/dl) which for my age and age range speaks for itself. Like to note that that wasnt low enough to be prescribed anything, despite in my opinion feeling the symptoms,
My thyroid (despite me being incredibly suspicious of it due to minor swelling and lymph node stuff) came back in perfectly normal ranges. And im very lightly mildly insulin resistant and have a history of childhood very low iron. I currently sit at around 430ng/dl of test and all my other hormone (t3, t4, LH and FSH) are also relatively similar ratio wise. I definitely can feel and recognise when my test is low as i have absolutely zero motivation, fatigued and longer recovery, no drive and brain fog etc. For the past six months ive been experiencing these symptoms (despite training well and eating well) and im sick of it as i know what its like to be in the higher of my low physiological ranges.
I also have the bone age of like a 20 year old and my growth plates are well and truly closed (based on wrist and shoulder xray), and my sleep is so dogshit lately no matter what supp i take or etc. I average like 7-9 hours of sleep (despite feeling tired all the time and like having time to sleep more, my body just wont). also side note, wore a heart holster for a week and have an average resting hr of 38 so... either im an olympian or bradycardia (def bradycardia as also have consistent low bp)

im not looking for pity or medical diagnosis or something. I know my whole scenario and know like what is generally wrong. My goal with the cycle is to mainly boost motivation and improve sleep while also obviously getting a little closer to my goals.

I was looking at MT2 for its minor drive benefits while also hopefully darkening and supporting my genuinely paper white skin. Looking at doing the More plates more dates method and starting at 50mcg and weening up slowly.

considering glow or bpc or something for maybe supporting my gut and knees and bpcs hunger sides (yes i know mt2 can counteract this) but idrk about this stack.

Considering something on the HGH axis for the sleep and recovery benefits (+might help my MARPE and myotherapy + osteogenesis!!!) was looking at cjc no dac and ipa or ghrp-2 so i can get benefits without a constant release which could do something to my mild insulin resistance (i do have berberine / GDA that im willing to try to use to counter this)

Lastly considering just a small TEST E + Hcg + ai + PCT beginner cycle. Probs 350 test a week (split into 2).

Not scared of pinning, More scared of losing my nuts or becoming diabetic.

Looking for any and all advice

Nothing good will come out of getting on steroids at your age. You're going to fry your reproductive system permanently.

 

[ceo]

18 male 5'10 64kg (10-15% bf). Been training for 4 years (2 hard consistent dialed in years and 2 on and off years, not chronological).
I squat 130kg, deadlift 130kg and bench 100kg. My knees have always been shit so legs aren't my strongest comparatively. I run anterior posterior split (fav split) and do 1 rep warmup moderate weight, then 8 rep set of 0-2rir and lastly 3-5 reps 0-2rir.

Depending on the day and schedule, i eat in a range of 200-400 calories deficit/surplus of my maintenance. I eat vertical diet and take iron, d3, k2, fish oil and probiotic supplements. When dialed in i add creatine and electrolytes at appropriate times and phases (load creatine and maintain saturation).

I know I havent hit my natty ceiling or potential yet but i have a few reasons for wanting to do a cycle of something.

firstly i struggle with eating foods or eating enough food daily and have even gotten prescriptions from doctors for some antidepressant to help me eat more and gain weight alongside being diagnosed with childhood micro and macromalnutrition.
My blood panels (thyroid, minerals and vitamins, hormones etc) have come back (in my nutritional and training PEAK btw) in low average range but "nothing to worry about", most concerning was low test (300ng/dl - 450ng/dl) which for my age and age range speaks for itself. Like to note that that wasnt low enough to be prescribed anything, despite in my opinion feeling the symptoms,
My thyroid (despite me being incredibly suspicious of it due to minor swelling and lymph node stuff) came back in perfectly normal ranges. And im very lightly mildly insulin resistant and have a history of childhood very low iron. I currently sit at around 430ng/dl of test and all my other hormone (t3, t4, LH and FSH) are also relatively similar ratio wise. I definitely can feel and recognise when my test is low as i have absolutely zero motivation, fatigued and longer recovery, no drive and brain fog etc. For the past six months ive been experiencing these symptoms (despite training well and eating well) and im sick of it as i know what its like to be in the higher of my low physiological ranges.
I also have the bone age of like a 20 year old and my growth plates are well and truly closed (based on wrist and shoulder xray), and my sleep is so dogshit lately no matter what supp i take or etc. I average like 7-9 hours of sleep (despite feeling tired all the time and like having time to sleep more, my body just wont). also side note, wore a heart holster for a week and have an average resting hr of 38 so... either im an olympian or bradycardia (def bradycardia as also have consistent low bp)

im not looking for pity or medical diagnosis or something. I know my whole scenario and know like what is generally wrong. My goal with the cycle is to mainly boost motivation and improve sleep while also obviously getting a little closer to my goals.

I was looking at MT2 for its minor drive benefits while also hopefully darkening and supporting my genuinely paper white skin. Looking at doing the More plates more dates method and starting at 50mcg and weening up slowly.

considering glow or bpc or something for maybe supporting my gut and knees and bpcs hunger sides (yes i know mt2 can counteract this) but idrk about this stack.

Considering something on the HGH axis for the sleep and recovery benefits (+might help my MARPE and myotherapy + osteogenesis!!!) was looking at cjc no dac and ipa or ghrp-2 so i can get benefits without a constant release which could do something to my mild insulin resistance (i do have berberine / GDA that im willing to try to use to counter this)

Lastly considering just a small TEST E + Hcg + ai + PCT beginner cycle. Probs 350 test a week (split into 2).

Not scared of pinning, More scared of losing my nuts or becoming diabetic.

Looking for any and all advice

bros you barely got hair on your nuts. should not use steroids do not do it

 

[ROIDDERS]

18 male 5'10 64kg (10-15% bf). Been training for 4 years (2 hard consistent dialed in years and 2 on and off years, not chronological).
I squat 130kg, deadlift 130kg and bench 100kg. My knees have always been shit so legs aren't my strongest comparatively. I run anterior posterior split (fav split) and do 1 rep warmup moderate weight, then 8 rep set of 0-2rir and lastly 3-5 reps 0-2rir.

Depending on the day and schedule, i eat in a range of 200-400 calories deficit/surplus of my maintenance. I eat vertical diet and take iron, d3, k2, fish oil and probiotic supplements. When dialed in i add creatine and electrolytes at appropriate times and phases (load creatine and maintain saturation).

I know I havent hit my natty ceiling or potential yet but i have a few reasons for wanting to do a cycle of something.

firstly i struggle with eating foods or eating enough food daily and have even gotten prescriptions from doctors for some antidepressant to help me eat more and gain weight alongside being diagnosed with childhood micro and macromalnutrition.
My blood panels (thyroid, minerals and vitamins, hormones etc) have come back (in my nutritional and training PEAK btw) in low average range but "nothing to worry about", most concerning was low test (300ng/dl - 450ng/dl) which for my age and age range speaks for itself. Like to note that that wasnt low enough to be prescribed anything, despite in my opinion feeling the symptoms,
My thyroid (despite me being incredibly suspicious of it due to minor swelling and lymph node stuff) came back in perfectly normal ranges. And im very lightly mildly insulin resistant and have a history of childhood very low iron. I currently sit at around 430ng/dl of test and all my other hormone (t3, t4, LH and FSH) are also relatively similar ratio wise. I definitely can feel and recognise when my test is low as i have absolutely zero motivation, fatigued and longer recovery, no drive and brain fog etc. For the past six months ive been experiencing these symptoms (despite training well and eating well) and im sick of it as i know what its like to be in the higher of my low physiological ranges.
I also have the bone age of like a 20 year old and my growth plates are well and truly closed (based on wrist and shoulder xray), and my sleep is so dogshit lately no matter what supp i take or etc. I average like 7-9 hours of sleep (despite feeling tired all the time and like having time to sleep more, my body just wont). also side note, wore a heart holster for a week and have an average resting hr of 38 so... either im an olympian or bradycardia (def bradycardia as also have consistent low bp)

im not looking for pity or medical diagnosis or something. I know my whole scenario and know like what is generally wrong. My goal with the cycle is to mainly boost motivation and improve sleep while also obviously getting a little closer to my goals.

I was looking at MT2 for its minor drive benefits while also hopefully darkening and supporting my genuinely paper white skin. Looking at doing the More plates more dates method and starting at 50mcg and weening up slowly.

considering glow or bpc or something for maybe supporting my gut and knees and bpcs hunger sides (yes i know mt2 can counteract this) but idrk about this stack.

Considering something on the HGH axis for the sleep and recovery benefits (+might help my MARPE and myotherapy + osteogenesis!!!) was looking at cjc no dac and ipa or ghrp-2 so i can get benefits without a constant release which could do something to my mild insulin resistance (i do have berberine / GDA that im willing to try to use to counter this)

Lastly considering just a small TEST E + Hcg + ai + PCT beginner cycle. Probs 350 test a week (split into 2).

Not scared of pinning, More scared of losing my nuts or becoming diabetic.

Looking for any and all advice

you need to put up a log man. put a log and show us what you are doing. you can make big gains from just diet/training

 

[LurkerGrey]

Thanks for all the support and responses, sorry for not responding had to go to work and etc. As for bloodwork my parents told me that they threw all those out when we moved but ill eventually make my way down to the GP and get them ALL sent to me so i can post them. I have another 1 upcoming just got find a day to do it. And I will happily make a log! I will say dont expect greatness out of me atm, im going to be 100% honest on the log if i skip workouts or meals because i cant eat or lack motivation. The anti eating thing comes from childhood situations and it has def gotten better. I will make a log end of today and will TRY to post on it daily depending. Noted that I will become more dialed in and able to reach the gym more frequently and meals when i get a car (which is very soon, 2 months ish). Thank you all, log should be up tonight!

 

[HarleyGuy]

Thanks for all the support and responses, sorry for not responding had to go to work and etc. As for bloodwork my parents told me that they threw all those out when we moved but ill eventually make my way down to the GP and get them ALL sent to me so i can post them. I have another 1 upcoming just got find a day to do it. And I will happily make a log! I will say dont expect greatness out of me atm, im going to be 100% honest on the log if i skip workouts or meals because i cant eat or lack motivation. The anti eating thing comes from childhood situations and it has def gotten better. I will make a log end of today and will TRY to post on it daily depending. Noted that I will become more dialed in and able to reach the gym more frequently and meals when i get a car (which is very soon, 2 months ish). Thank you all, log should be up tonight!

Despite your age we will support you but don't expect (at least me) to be suggesting steroids before we figure out 1., 2., and 3., above in my last post.

I love that you will be honest. Honesty will serve your best interests here and dishonesty only hinders your own progress because we will be telling you the wrong advice and you'll only be fooling yourself at your own expense when there's no judgement here anyway.

Just so you don't feel alone in this, go to page 10 (near the bottom) of my log and you'll see some honesty I felt I could lay out here on EVO almost immediately due to the fellowship, camaraderie and brotherhood here. You can feel comfortable here telling us anything and everything we are all working through stuff together. A perfect example is @Ulter who has opened up a lot more about some really dark shit he's been through. I encourage you to take a chance and lay it out brother.

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...nomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/page-10

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks for all the support and responses, sorry for not responding had to go to work and etc. As for bloodwork my parents told me that they threw all those out when we moved but ill eventually make my way down to the GP and get them ALL sent to me so i can post them. I have another 1 upcoming just got find a day to do it. And I will happily make a log! I will say dont expect greatness out of me atm, im going to be 100% honest on the log if i skip workouts or meals because i cant eat or lack motivation. The anti eating thing comes from childhood situations and it has def gotten better. I will make a log end of today and will TRY to post on it daily depending. Noted that I will become more dialed in and able to reach the gym more frequently and meals when i get a car (which is very soon, 2 months ish). Thank you all, log should be up tonight!

lets see your log

 

[LurkerGrey]

lets see your log

sorry for not posting one yet. I promise ill get around to it on a semi decent day, probably very soon when my gym opens back up and when i get my car. I got called into work today and just got home, log would consist of me having breakfast and then while working macking about 10 double cheeseburgers from the nearby maccas. Im considering backing off the work cuz its taking over my entire life atm outside of school. i do 7hrs school a day and work 36 hr weeks. I know im bitching about nothing cuz i havent experienced much yet cuz im young but i feel like i have no time for shit, all i live for atm is the gym. anyways mini rant over, sorry for my god awful typing, i type like an ape at a computer.

 

[LurkerGrey]

Despite your age we will support you but don't expect (at least me) to be suggesting steroids before we figure out 1., 2., and 3., above in my last post.

I love that you will be honest. Honesty will serve your best interests here and dishonesty only hinders your own progress because we will be telling you the wrong advice and you'll only be fooling yourself at your own expense when there's no judgement here anyway.

Just so you don't feel alone in this, go to page 10 (near the bottom) of my log and you'll see some honesty I felt I could lay out here on EVO almost immediately due to the fellowship, camaraderie and brotherhood here. You can feel comfortable here telling us anything and everything we are all working through stuff together. A perfect example is @Ulter who has opened up a lot more about some really dark shit he's been through. I encourage you to take a chance and lay it out brother.

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...nomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/page-10

I appreciate the support and I myself know how important honesty and like holding myself to do things is. Also ur story is mad inspirational, genuinely mad respect to you like idk how to put it into words. Youre so strong and its like motivating to read that and like helps me see just how friendly and supporting this community is. Thanks for sharing bro genuinely and thank you for the support. I'll probably lay some stuff out myself slowly as time goes on but i feel like im just being a little bitch compared ot most haha. Thank you for the response tho bro i appreciate it so much

 

[LevButlerov]

sorry for not posting one yet. I promise ill get around to it on a semi decent day, probably very soon when my gym opens back up and when i get my car. I got called into work today and just got home, log would consist of me having breakfast and then while working macking about 10 double cheeseburgers from the nearby maccas. Im considering backing off the work cuz its taking over my entire life atm outside of school. i do 7hrs school a day and work 36 hr weeks. I know im bitching about nothing cuz i havent experienced much yet cuz im young but i feel like i have no time for shit, all i live for atm is the gym. anyways mini rant over, sorry for my god awful typing, i type like an ape at a computer.

10 double cheeseburgers? did you take off the bun @LurkerGrey